THIS, is surprising! I have been shooting since I was 6 years old and I have been reloading and testing different loads since 1972, and I would NEVER have expected this result from a .22LR cartridge! I did, however, expect the .22 Magnum cartridge to do this kind of damage! Great video! Thanks!
@@WHOTEEWHO 60 Years ago, I used a .22L Winchester Bolt Action bullets "von Deutschland Aus" with great success for hunting stag etc.Heres the thing in Germany, we don't leave animal to suffer.
@@terresabauman3897 the most extreme bottle neck .22 I know of is the 22-250 55gr @3900 or 40 gr @ 4,400 FPS (22-250 is 250 savage necked down to .224) and 250 savage is .308 necked down to .250…. (the 220 Swift is a lil faster but it’s fallen out of popularity due to the excessive bore erosion caused by the extreme overbore resulting in a ridiculously short barrel life) which is the ratio of powder charge to square millimeter of the bores cross section. It can only burn so much powder in the small bore diameter. If you’re trying to get a .22 projectile up to 5,000 FPS the only way I’m aware of is to load a .300 win mag with discarding .30 cal sabots that hold a .22 projectile. That way you have more available bore diameter than a .22 for a complete burn 🔥 while still launching a 55gr .224 projectile. (Or a 62gr green tip @ around 4500)
Sorry I had to miss this live! The.22LR made a bigger hole, but the.22Mag imparted more energy into the block as noted by the bulging on the top and sides. Fun video!
There's a lot goin' on, there. The supersonic shock wave around the heavier/faster bullet will make the bigger bulge, consistently. The slightly lesser shock wave of the lighter/slower projectile is still awesome, but in terms of foot-pounds of energy released inside the block, just can't compare. I believe that both rounds are maintaining supersonic velocity all the way through; but the biggest factor determining the diameter of the exit holes may be the bullet type and weight. If only the bullets were recovered so we could see if the .22LR was mushrooming much faster than the heavy and solid slug in the .22WMR. But if you use either one of these on small game, you're gonna make a mess and waste a lot of meat.
I wouldn't want to shoot small game with the hyper .22LR either. It ruins a lot of meat. Some of the really accurate but weak subsonic .22LR is best for small game. You could also go with .17 HMR, but it has to be the FMJs. If it's not, it will ruin almost all the meat.
@@pewpewTN I was mainly looking at the economy. 22Mag is clearly overkill. Just like 22Mag .17 HMR is still 3 times the price of .22LR. So while .22 may ruin a little bit more meat it's still way cheaper and more readily available.
Been shooting the 22wmr for over 50 years. Works great on game from raccoon size up to coyote. Tears smaller game up like cottontails & squirrels. Great on rodents where meat isn't eaten. Good defensive round at less than 25 yards
They have tested .22 LR and it penetrates 1/4" pine wood out as far as you can hit it which was over 400 yards. So it is lethal out past 400 yards. Very under rated round.
Hey Adam I wouldn’t expected that result either Mate that 22lr made a huge exit wound , impressive chrono readings also , thanks your time making the videos I try not to miss any video you make their all awesome to watch and have great content .Steve from Australia .
22 lr. will stop a deer or a coyote with a perfect shot, not a decent one . Only a fool would hunt deer with a 22 Long rifle or a poacher shooting them at night with a spotlight. A 22 Magnum would still be a fourth choice for hunting either of those game it will work on a coyote but more than likely you will not recover the Coyote . Neither of those cartridges are legal deer rifles in any state
CCI has a new round out called Copper-22 it’s a 21 grain bullet at an advertised muzzle velocity of 1850 fps.That would be a nice clay block video as well
Doesn't like some autos....even my 10/22 didn't like it..... haven't really done much with it... Don't have a bolt 22....just been blasting it out of my single six ..
@@krookpd01 If I can find some I'll try it in my 15-22. It's run everything I've put through it so far, with the exception of some really weak federal hollow points. It malfunctioned 2 or 3 times in 50 rounds of that stuff.
Me either, that was quite impressive. I’d love to see how it reacts on a Meat target. I definitely wouldn’t wanna be shot with one. This round might be an awesome little self defense round in a handgun for anyone that’s recoil sensitive.
The clay block that was used in the 22lr test was tampered with, a big chunk was cut out of the upper right hand side, this was done so as to maximize the effect of that pea shooter, had the blocks been exactly the same, the results would've been different. Hack job👎🏼👎🏼
I still think you should get one of those clay blocks fired in a kiln after you pew it. Sure would be a sweet piece of WTW Art. Thanks for sharing and as always keep Pew pewing.
With the current cost of ammo and limited availability I can't think of a better comparison. This is a great video. I'm eager to see the results. My preference has to lean toward the 22 WMR. Thanks WTW. Wow, both are impressive. The exit of the 22 LR is incredible.
One of the advantages of a .22 LR subsonic is its whisper quietness which is very useful when hunting wary quarry like rabbits. A single shot of the supersonic round would clear the field of rabbits for hours. That is why it is used so effectively in the UK particularly with a moderator which makes the rifle almost silent. It is not always about power.
True; you can easily take rabbits with an air rifle. Not such an easy thing to get silencers in this country however and someone might encounter another game animal while hunting that does require more power than a subsonic would deliver.
24gr zinc fmj vs 40gr lead hp. Results make alot of sense. The energy of the hp was delivered internally, nearly blew the clay block apart. Quite the cavity. The fmj just passed right through. If you want to compare exit holes use fmj’s on both.
Well thats true but the tests give an idea of the damage done by these rounds, You could easily see that a bullet half the weight at the similar speed would give half the energy, and also deduce that a hollow point would pass on more energy into the target than a round nose which would just pass through with some energy retained. Fortunately expanding hollow point ammo is forbidden by the Geneva convention, but is also obligatory for hunting in most of Europe for humane reasons. But not .22lr which is banned in most countries for hunting but not pest control. I have a serious problem with pieces of card that try to avoid being shot at 100 metres. A 1950s bsa sportsman sorts the buggers out.
Very cool/fun video! I feel like the 22 mag had better immediate damage where the 22lr was creating a deeper wound channel based on expansion in the center of the block. Energy dump is the biggest difference!
Surprise Surprise,...Huh? That's a bet I would have lost. I think the 22 MAG had a cleaner kill on the clay, but I didn't expect the LR to do that. Impressive!!!
Looked to me like the mag dumped a lot more energy into the block while the long carried a lot of energy out the back of the block. The long rifle exit hole looks impressive, but energy expended in the block ls what I want. Great video good work.
I am in the same camp with you, Jim Free. The LR round would certainly be taking a respectable chunk of flesh with it but,...I suspect that there would be far less secondary damage to the internal organs of the target than what would be produced by the magnum round's pressure wave.
Interesting the mag appears to dump its energy on impact and totally pushing out all around like a hollow point. And the fast 22lr carried it’s energy through punching a clean hole through the middle like a dome tip or hard point projectile would! I never read the box of what tip they were, were they same projectile types?
the Mag was a hollow point, which would produced the results youd think, the ballooning you see in the middle of the block indicates taht it dumped alot of energy as the mushroom was formed, the LR was a solid round so, little if any expansion as it impacted, which would produced the cleaner cavity.
Would be neat to have a chrono behind the target too, then you can calculate how much energy was dumped into the target and how much was left over after the pass through. Good stuff on the new .22LR. Be neat to compare it to the Stinger and Velocitor.
I believe the 22mag dumped it's energy/expanded sooner, while 22lr needed more depth to expand and release it's energy. Awesome as always! More please!!
My father has always said that the 22LR is the most under rated around. Not just because of the low recoil and ability to place shots in rapid fire. The damage that is caused is more than expected.
Another great video 👍 !! Would like to see the comparison with a Stinger 36 grain bullet and still pretty fast. 22mag is probably my favorite round to shoot. Thanks!
Browning has a hyper velocity 40 or 45 grain, then Remington has the yellow jacket and vipers. I'd like to see those three put up against a stinger and Veloster
Great video. Glad I found it. My 'back-up' concealed carry is a 4-shot .22 MAG. I can see it has enough power to do whatever I'd need it to do in an up close and personal situation. The .22 LR was a bit surprising, too, although years ago I used to shoot rats with a nice little Ithaca .22 LR lever action. Quite often, it would blast the rats in half. I now wish it had been chambered in .22 MAG, though! I may have to look for .22 MAG rifle next time I'm cruising the local gun shops.
nothing against 22mag (I actually carry one myself sometimes), but you need to consider barrel length... this vid was with rifles, much different than a pistol... the results would be much different if he was shooting pistols against the clay..
@@harrysteeletreo1 My .22 mag. is a "neck and belly" gun. An old, original Freedom Arms four-shot, revolving derringer. It hides in the hand extremely well and it's basically, a last-ditch, contact shot. They'll get all the gas that's in the cartridge. But you make a fine point with regard to the difference between a pistol and a rifle -- especially in the low calibers, such as .22. I always liked rifles because of their "stand off" distance -- but for close-up self-defense, it's hard to beat a pistol.
I always enjoy you shooting the clay blocks. You need to carry your daughter hunting this fall so she can harvest her unicorn, enjoyed seeing your sons and their rams they will never forget those good times. Thanks for the videos and stay safe.
I’m no ballistics expert but that 22 LR did a lot more damage than I thought it would! I’ve never see clay shot before. I wonder why gel would look like with the same experiment? Enjoyed your video.
Good to see you on RUclips. I’ve always hunted small game with a .22, but never realized the energy being absorbed by the critters shot. Huh, who woulda thunk?
Appreciate the time and effort you put into churning out these videos WTW. That's insane damage from the 22LR. I think for out to 50 yards the 22LR would be a winner and out to 100 yards so too would be the 22 Magnum in the Norma range. They make top shelf centrefire ammo and it appears to hold true for their rimfire range. Thanks for sharing!
I’ve had to pause the video to say that this is the 2nd time in an hour that I’ve heard fabulous, "NEW" phrases today and I’m only @ 2:45 point into this. I’m referring to the phrase, "Tearing Uppage", a sure winner for Best Newly Coined Phrase of the year. Well, we’re in the 8th month and that might be enough time for someone to come up with another, but…WHO_TEE_WHO? Okay, just finished watching the rest of the video and for such a lightweight projectile, that fast moving 22LR was POSITIVELY SHOCKING! Great stuff!!👍🏼👍🏼 Thanks, WTW.
wow, with the 22 wmr, it looked like the center of the block was blown away, like the block was hollow. the 22 lr went straight through, hence the tunnel through. pretty amazing!!
@Delta that must’ve been one lucky coyote who escaped being hit in a vital organ, how far away was he? The only reason I ask is out of curiosity, as I only hunt targets, (I live in a sizeable city~600,000 & go to the Range whenever I can). Cool memory, thanks for sharing it with us. How about the hole left by the 22LR in THIS video!? Wow!
Expansion giving energy transfer is important. Supersonic copper jacketed just plain sucks. give me a slower hollow point any day, so long as it's still fast. I prefer 40g for hitting power. I think getting higher velocities with lighter bullets is a waste of time, although, that 22g was impressive.
@@gregoryjsnyder8150 Not sure about that. The stray dog I headshot at 110 yds went down so fast I thought he'd disappeared. Actually, I expected to miss because of the complete unreliability of my rifle. Put it down to dumb luck.
Don’t be fooled. Animals flesh do not act exactly like these clay blocks. If you think that you hit a squirrel, grouse, fox, coyote, deer, and think that you are going to do the damage that you see here, you are horribly wrong sorry.
22LR is no joke, it can feed the family with some surprisingly good size meat and do it quickly. It's been one of my favorites since I was a kid. Back when kids could take there 22LR or 410 to the bayou or the woods behind there house and have fun all week for $20 = 525 rounds of 22LR man thoes were some great times. Nice video bro.
Wow, that lr round just exploded but still managed to penetrate the clay. On paper these 2 rounds are really pretty drastically different. Surprised me.
Can you shoot with multiple blocks back to back, and the velocity and hitting power between a semi-auto and a bolt action of the same caliber and bullet weight and type?
Great video! I'm going to grab some of that Norma 22lr for my Ruger 22 Charger. Should be able to reach out a little further than the stuff I was using. Thanks again!
E = 1/2 m v^2 so the WMR has a significant advantage since mass AND velocity are higher. *E0 Muzzle energy* as cited in the video: .22 LR 24 gr at 1700 fps = 153.98 foot-pounds (208.77 Joule), .22 WMR 40 g4 at 1918 fps = 326.68 foot-pounds (442.92 Joule) Physics rocks! The end ballistics of the .22 LR were very surprising. All the best, Rob in Switzerland
I would love to see the results fired out of a two or three inch carry pistol with the 22lr, or Magnum even for that matter, also to see how much velocity is lost, great video
This is another example as to why the .22 lr has the most kills. The hydrostatic pressure dump on impact takes most people off guard, and then if it hits a bone it starts bouncing around in the body causing more damage
Yeah, the 22lr was pretty impressive, but when you look at the "insides" of the clay blocks...there really is no comparison. What I'd like to see (maybe it's already been done) is a comparison of the norma "eco" 22lrs and some CCI Stingers. That would be interesting!
Without doing a comparison of physical damage. The difference of impact with a 200 fps difference is impressive. To me an equal consideration is the difference in the cost of the rifle and the cost per round fired. The difference is huge with not much difference to be had. For the $ value difference, I'll stick with my .22 LR using the newer express jacketed hollow point rounds, I am looking at a box of my CCI Stingers now, I also use Winchester X Super Express.
The main reason the clay pattern is so different is that the 22 WMR round is a hollow point, while the comparison round is a solid slug. He seemed to miss this key point.
@@tclanjtopsom4846 the magnum gave up a lot of energy with massive expansion of the lead inside of the clay. I'm willing to bet that it looked like a .42 caliber pancake with a wart on the back side. Massive internal cavitation. I doubt that the LR got half of that type of expansion. Probably just slightly mushroomed the nose.
@@paulbillings1791 very true, i guess it depends whether you want rabbit stew or rabbit. I liked the cleaner look of the lr. The mag did look like it imparted a lot more energy.
@@tclanjtopsom4846 What was used in the test was a little bit like comparing apples to walnuts. Bonded bullets vs hollow points. WMR with 40 gr. HP would destroy a rabbit. Wild hogs in the ocular socket...perfect. Coyote control...perfect. Rabbits would require a scaled back round. Probably something in the area of 28 gr. and FMJ to control the expansion a bit better. I've seen some hunting videos in Australia with high end rifles,Seiko I believe,and they were zapping rabbits at 400 yards or more. WMR is a very versatile round that has been configured in dozens of different ways.
It's basically the smallest common round on the market so anyone carrying anything bigger will talk bad about sadly the nature of the beast. I got me a 10 22 and with how many shots it has I'm fine 22 will get the job done.
I love the stinger. Back in the day when you could buy a jug or Remington to one little box of CCI stingers I always got the stingers for target shooting/varmint and didn’t bother with the jug o bullets.
What this test tells us is that the extra mass AND speed of if the .22 mag DUMPED iys energy into the clay block rather than using all of its energy to pass through the block with a large hole👍
With a nice long barrel, the magnum has enough room to build up as much speed as it can. I would be interested to see how each performed in a short, pistol barrel. I would guess that the lighter .22 will have a significantly higher speed than the magnum, though neither will achieve their advertised numbers. From what I've seen with other ammo types, extremely light frangible bullets perform amazingly out of short barrels, in comparison to heavier FMJ or JHP rounds out of the same gun.
Definitely still more power out of the 22 mag - the energy to blow out the top and sides suggests a much more effective wound channel in the real world. But certainly, there's been an enormous catch up in the 22 LR rounds in recent years, and the 22 mag doesn't have that much space to improve, due to case pressure limitations. There are 30 and 33 grain 22 mag options which will replicate the high velocity 22 LR effect. It would be worth comparing various weights in 22 mag to let people see the huge difference between a 46 grain segmented, a 1875 fps 40 gr JHP and a 2200 fps 30 gr with ballistic tip or the "TNT" style varmint rounds. 22 mag is a lot more flexible than just a 40 grainer...
Say, I wonder how much clay was displaced from each clay block? If I heard you right, each block weighed 10 pounds to begin with. How much did each one weigh after being shot? I was especially curious about the big entrance side hole made by the .22Magnum. It still looked bigger than the exit hole of the .22LR.
If the .22 mag is a lead core projectile and the .22 long is monolithic, there is your difference. Lead is softer dumping energy faster than the monolithic bullet. Reason so many are liking the new Hammer bullets. A lighter weight yields great results with the right amount of velocity. I'm thinking about trying the 130 to 150 in my little 308 Winchester. I shot 1183 yards in the rain today. 5.5 moa windag 42 moa+ vertical. Since you have that new 308 WTW you should check out those Hammers for your buddy to reload. I'm reading and hearing good thing's from hunters on deer and elk. Just haven't had time or the components to see for myself.
Wow... another nice " clay block " video - good job - I actually just bought another Savage for myself chambered in 22LR and I bought 900 rounds of that " Norma Ecco Speed " can't wait to try it....
I don't think the 22LR expanded at all in the clay. Since it is lead free, it is most probably sintered copper. It would totally fragment on a hard surface but plowed right through the soft clay.
THIS, is surprising! I have been shooting since I was 6 years old and I have been reloading and testing different loads since 1972, and I would NEVER have expected this result from a .22LR cartridge! I did, however, expect the .22 Magnum cartridge to do this kind of damage!
Great video! Thanks!
Surprised me!
Think you could neck down a .50 BMG to hold a .22? I bet you'd get near 5k FPS! No one's ever done it that I can find.
@@terresabauman3897 i would think that it would explode rather then actually shoot
@@WHOTEEWHO 60 Years ago, I used a .22L Winchester Bolt Action bullets "von Deutschland Aus" with great success for hunting stag etc.Heres the thing in Germany, we don't leave animal to suffer.
@@terresabauman3897 the most extreme bottle neck .22 I know of is the 22-250 55gr @3900 or 40 gr @ 4,400 FPS (22-250 is 250 savage necked down to .224) and 250 savage is .308 necked down to .250…. (the 220 Swift is a lil faster but it’s fallen out of popularity due to the excessive bore erosion caused by the extreme overbore resulting in a ridiculously short barrel life) which is the ratio of powder charge to square millimeter of the bores cross section. It can only burn so much powder in the small bore diameter. If you’re trying to get a .22 projectile up to 5,000 FPS the only way I’m aware of is to load a .300 win mag with discarding .30 cal sabots that hold a .22 projectile. That way you have more available bore diameter than a .22 for a complete burn 🔥 while still launching a 55gr .224 projectile. (Or a 62gr green tip @ around 4500)
Sorry I had to miss this live! The.22LR made a bigger hole, but the.22Mag imparted more energy into the block as noted by the bulging on the top and sides. Fun video!
There's a lot goin' on, there. The supersonic shock wave around the heavier/faster bullet will make the bigger bulge, consistently. The slightly lesser shock wave of the lighter/slower projectile is still awesome, but in terms of foot-pounds of energy released inside the block, just can't compare. I believe that both rounds are maintaining supersonic velocity all the way through; but the biggest factor determining the diameter of the exit holes may be the bullet type and weight. If only the bullets were recovered so we could see if the .22LR was mushrooming much faster than the heavy and solid slug in the .22WMR. But if you use either one of these on small game, you're gonna make a mess and waste a lot of meat.
To me it looks like the 22Mag was more devastating. But if I was trying to put food on the table, the 22LR at 1/3 the price is clearly the winner.
I wouldn't want to shoot small game with the hyper .22LR either.
It ruins a lot of meat.
Some of the really accurate but weak subsonic .22LR is best for small game.
You could also go with .17 HMR, but it has to be the FMJs.
If it's not, it will ruin almost all the meat.
@@pewpewTN I was mainly looking at the economy. 22Mag is clearly overkill. Just like 22Mag .17 HMR is still 3 times the price of .22LR. So while .22 may ruin a little bit more meat it's still way cheaper and more readily available.
Been shooting the 22wmr for over 50 years. Works great on game from raccoon size up to coyote. Tears smaller game up like cottontails & squirrels. Great on rodents where meat isn't eaten. Good defensive round at less than 25 yards
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This just proves that .22lr is an underestimated round. I wouldnt want to be on the receiving end of those Norma rounds. Very impressive.
i have 300 rounds of norma, didn't like the wax feel, but seeing that 22 lr damage, i can live with a little wax.
They have tested .22 LR and it penetrates 1/4" pine wood out as far as you can hit it which was over 400 yards. So it is lethal out past 400 yards. Very under rated round.
Any 22lr will kill you very easily lol. There has been stories of people taking elephant with them, people killing bears for self defense.
Hey Adam
I wouldn’t expected that result either Mate that 22lr made a huge exit wound , impressive chrono readings also , thanks your time making the videos I try not to miss any video you make their all awesome to watch and have great content .Steve from Australia .
But, look at the internal damage from the magnum, there was greater expansion of the clay causing a bigger wound cavity.
The magnum dumped it's energy sooner, resulting in the smaller exit wound, but caused much more damage overall.
Still you can’t discount what that little lr did . Never would have thought that
Hollow point vs Solid. Plenty of 22 lr hollow points to compare, would do about the same.
The lr was more than enough to stop a deer or a coyote, or even larger animals with decent aim.
22 lr. will stop a deer or a coyote with a perfect shot, not a decent one . Only a fool would hunt deer with a 22 Long rifle or a poacher shooting them at night with a spotlight. A 22 Magnum would still be a fourth choice for hunting either of those game it will work on a coyote but more than likely you will not recover the Coyote . Neither of those cartridges are legal deer rifles in any state
CCI has a new round out called Copper-22 it’s a 21 grain bullet at an advertised muzzle velocity of 1850 fps.That would be a nice clay block video as well
Got some of that. It's zippy, but the low weight barely moves a steel 2 in/4in spinner
Doesn't like some autos....even my 10/22 didn't like it..... haven't really done much with it... Don't have a bolt 22....just been blasting it out of my single six ..
Look at the copper-22 max effective range.
50 yards. Great 20-30 yard rabbit round.
I got a few boxes of them
@@krookpd01 If I can find some I'll try it in my 15-22. It's run everything I've put through it so far, with the exception of some really weak federal hollow points. It malfunctioned 2 or 3 times in 50 rounds of that stuff.
Not surprised with the magnum results but I would never have guessed the LR would do that. Good video WTW.....
Me either, that was quite impressive. I’d love to see how it reacts on a Meat target. I definitely wouldn’t wanna be shot with one. This round might be an awesome little self defense round in a handgun for anyone that’s recoil sensitive.
he should take the 22mag 30 gr. bullet with 2100fps to compare with such a light 22 lr bullet?
The clay block that was used in the 22lr test was tampered with, a big chunk was cut out of the upper right hand side, this was done so as to maximize the effect of that pea shooter, had the blocks been exactly the same, the results would've been different.
Hack job👎🏼👎🏼
@@theorangevestarmy4255 even if the corner was there the result would of been identical
@@theorangevestarmy4255 You're nowhere near as smart as you like to think..
I still think you should get one of those clay blocks fired in a kiln after you pew it. Sure would be a sweet piece of WTW Art.
Thanks for sharing and as always keep Pew pewing.
I came here to say that. Would be a cool give away for your Patreon members.
Slow-motion on the clay blocks is very cool
With the current cost of ammo and limited availability I can't think of a better comparison.
This is a great video. I'm eager to see the results. My preference has to lean toward the 22 WMR.
Thanks WTW. Wow, both are impressive. The exit of the 22 LR is incredible.
One of the advantages of a .22 LR subsonic is its whisper quietness which is very useful when hunting wary quarry like rabbits. A single shot of the supersonic round would clear the field of rabbits for hours. That is why it is used so effectively in the UK particularly with a moderator which makes the rifle almost silent. It is not always about power.
True; you can easily take rabbits with an air rifle. Not such an easy thing to get silencers in this country however and someone might encounter another game animal while hunting that does require more power than a subsonic would deliver.
@@clinnyboy you are correct, I was a gamekeeper in the UK and yes subsonics had their uses but sometimes a little extra power is essential.
Proof why the LR has been around seemingly forever. Got my savage 66 at eleven. I'm 68 yrs old. All I've ever used.
Man. nice I got my first gun at 12, it's a Stevens 22 rifle, I still have it and I'm 69 !
My guess would be you could put those pills just about where you want them even in your sleep/
24gr zinc fmj vs 40gr lead hp. Results make alot of sense. The energy of the hp was delivered internally, nearly blew the clay block apart. Quite the cavity. The fmj just passed right through. If you want to compare exit holes use fmj’s on both.
Well thats true but the tests give an idea of the damage done by these rounds, You could easily see that a bullet half the weight at the similar speed would give half the energy, and also deduce that a hollow point would pass on more energy into the target than a round nose which would just pass through with some energy retained. Fortunately expanding hollow point ammo is forbidden by the Geneva convention, but is also obligatory for hunting in most of Europe for humane reasons.
But not .22lr which is banned in most countries for hunting but not pest control.
I have a serious problem with pieces of card that try to avoid being shot at
100 metres. A 1950s bsa sportsman
sorts the buggers out.
Very cool/fun video! I feel like the 22 mag had better immediate damage where the 22lr was creating a deeper wound channel based on expansion in the center of the block. Energy dump is the biggest difference!
Surprise Surprise,...Huh? That's a bet I would have lost. I think the 22 MAG had a cleaner kill on the clay, but I didn't expect the LR to do that. Impressive!!!
Looked to me like the mag dumped a lot more energy into the block while the long carried a lot of energy out the back of the block. The long rifle exit hole looks impressive, but energy expended in the block ls what I want. Great video good work.
My thoughts exactly, but that .22 was impressive.
I am in the same camp with you, Jim Free.
The LR round would certainly be taking a respectable chunk of flesh with it but,...I suspect that there would be far less secondary damage to the internal organs of the target than what would be produced by the magnum round's pressure wave.
22mag was a hollowpoint round, 22lr was not. That explains the results.
COMPLETELY SURPRISED by these results! Great comparison...again.
Really cool video, thanks for sharing. Both are devastating! Really impressed with the 22lr. I love my 22 mag
Just like in cars, speed kills. The 22WMR dumps a lot of energy, while that 22LR just boogied right on thru
Fun one today see y’all tomorrow! And stay safe!
Interesting the mag appears to dump its energy on impact and totally pushing out all around like a hollow point. And the fast 22lr carried it’s energy through punching a clean hole through the middle like a dome tip or hard point projectile would! I never read the box of what tip they were, were they same projectile types?
the Mag was a hollow point, which would produced the results youd think, the ballooning you see in the middle of the block indicates taht it dumped alot of energy as the mushroom was formed, the LR was a solid round so, little if any expansion as it impacted, which would produced the cleaner cavity.
Disregard my earlier comment, I confused the clay blocks, on what was shot with mag, and lr. 😬
@@coupe50h yeah the big exit hole is the .22lr, surprinsigly.
Would be neat to have a chrono behind the target too, then you can calculate how much energy was dumped into the target and how much was left over after the pass through. Good stuff on the new .22LR. Be neat to compare it to the Stinger and Velocitor.
I believe the 22mag dumped it's energy/expanded sooner, while 22lr needed more depth to expand and release it's energy. Awesome as always! More please!!
22 Mag out of a 22" Barrel has the same ft/lbs energy as a 9mm out of a 5" barrel, well my 40 grain cci does. Unsure about other loadings
I hear folks saying .22 anything wont do a thing in any situation, you just proved em wrong. Great job!
Impressive results on that clay. Thanks for the video. 👍👍
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My father has always said that the 22LR is the most under rated around. Not just because of the low recoil and ability to place shots in rapid fire. The damage that is caused is more than expected.
I would like to see him add in the CCI Stinger. That is a badass round.
Another great video 👍 !! Would like to see the comparison with a Stinger 36 grain bullet and still pretty fast. 22mag is probably my favorite round to shoot. Thanks!
Browning has a hyper velocity 40 or 45 grain, then Remington has the yellow jacket and vipers. I'd like to see those three put up against a stinger and Veloster
Great video. Glad I found it. My 'back-up' concealed carry is a 4-shot .22 MAG. I can see it has enough power to do whatever I'd need it to do in an up close and personal situation. The .22 LR was a bit surprising, too, although years ago I used to shoot rats with a nice little Ithaca .22 LR lever action. Quite often, it would blast the rats in half. I now wish it had been chambered in .22 MAG, though! I may have to look for .22 MAG rifle next time I'm cruising the local gun shops.
nothing against 22mag (I actually carry one myself sometimes), but you need to consider barrel length... this vid was with rifles, much different than a pistol... the results would be much different if he was shooting pistols against the clay..
@@harrysteeletreo1 My .22 mag. is a "neck and belly" gun. An old, original Freedom Arms four-shot, revolving derringer. It hides in the hand extremely well and it's basically, a last-ditch, contact shot. They'll get all the gas that's in the cartridge. But you make a fine point with regard to the difference between a pistol and a rifle -- especially in the low calibers, such as .22. I always liked rifles because of their "stand off" distance -- but for close-up self-defense, it's hard to beat a pistol.
Would love to see this comparison with a revolver/pistol if you haven’t done it already!!
Do a test between the Norma and the CCI Stinger. Velocity, clay block and accuracy. That will be a fun video.
Stinger closer to the 22 mag than any other 22 ammo !
Very useful... everyone should have both but you really quantify the choice and illustrate quite clearly what that choice delivers.
Fun stuff. Stay safe y'all. God bless
Thanks for the video Adam. BTW, really enjoyed the mounting video with the boys. Awesome !!
Test the new Winchester Silvertip segmented hollow point vs punch 22
Always surprising; always informative; always entertaining; always recommended. Keep it going !
Always appreciate you watching!
Both did awesome. Love my 22 mags
Wow! I did not expect that damage from those rounds! and that perfect round hole from the 22LR
I always enjoy you shooting the clay blocks. You need to carry your daughter hunting this fall so she can harvest her unicorn, enjoyed seeing your sons and their rams they will never forget those good times. Thanks for the videos and stay safe.
I’m no ballistics expert but that 22 LR did a lot more damage than I thought it would! I’ve never see clay shot before. I wonder why gel would look like with the same experiment?
Enjoyed your video.
How about the performance from a 22 LR handgun , like 4 inch and 6 inch barreled semiautomatics and revolvers? 24 grain bullet would be interesting.
Never underestimate 22 , that’s some impressive results 👍
Good to see you on RUclips. I’ve always hunted small game with a .22, but never realized the energy being absorbed by the critters shot. Huh, who woulda thunk?
Appreciate the time and effort you put into churning out these videos WTW. That's insane damage from the 22LR. I think for out to 50 yards the 22LR would be a winner and out to 100 yards so too would be the 22 Magnum in the Norma range. They make top shelf centrefire ammo and it appears to hold true for their rimfire range. Thanks for sharing!
I’ve had to pause the video to say that this is the 2nd time in an hour that I’ve heard fabulous, "NEW" phrases today and I’m only @ 2:45 point into this. I’m referring to the phrase, "Tearing Uppage", a sure winner for Best Newly Coined Phrase of the year. Well, we’re in the 8th month and that might be enough time for someone to come up with another, but…WHO_TEE_WHO? Okay, just finished watching the rest of the video and for such a lightweight projectile, that fast moving 22LR was POSITIVELY SHOCKING! Great stuff!!👍🏼👍🏼 Thanks, WTW.
I'm not made of clay, but that's one good reason that i don't want to get shot even by a .22LR
I just love your art classes.
I was equally surprised by both didn’t expect that much damage from either ! ( ;
wow, with the 22 wmr, it looked like the center of the block was blown away, like the block was hollow. the 22 lr went straight through, hence the tunnel through. pretty amazing!!
Impressive results with both rounds. Not many things are gonna run away after being hit with either one.
@Delta that must’ve been one lucky coyote who escaped being hit in a vital organ, how far away was he? The only reason I ask is out of curiosity, as I only hunt targets, (I live in a sizeable city~600,000 & go to the Range whenever I can). Cool memory, thanks for sharing it with us. How about the hole left by the 22LR in THIS video!? Wow!
@Delta need a .556 for coyotes.
Expansion giving energy transfer is important. Supersonic copper jacketed just plain sucks. give me a slower hollow point any day, so long as it's still fast. I prefer 40g for hitting power. I think getting higher velocities with lighter bullets is a waste of time, although, that 22g was impressive.
@@gregoryjsnyder8150 Not sure about that. The stray dog I headshot at 110 yds went down so fast I thought he'd disappeared. Actually, I expected to miss because of the complete unreliability of my rifle. Put it down to dumb luck.
Don’t be fooled. Animals flesh do not act exactly like these clay blocks. If you think that you hit a squirrel, grouse, fox, coyote, deer, and think that you are going to do the damage that you see here, you are horribly wrong sorry.
Thanks for your contribution to science! Would love to see you push out the range a bit to 100 yards next.
22LR is no joke, it can feed the family with some surprisingly good size meat and do it quickly. It's been one of my favorites since I was a kid. Back when kids could take there 22LR or 410 to the bayou or the woods behind there house and have fun all week for $20 = 525 rounds of 22LR man thoes were some great times. Nice video bro.
You can still do that sometimes.
I got lucky & found 500 round bricks of Thunderbolts on sale at Wal-Mart for $9.99 a few months ago.
@@pewpewTN Cool I'll keep my eye out for the 22LR at Walmart.
Try using a pellet in front of a charge 5 Ramset. Makes those bullets look enemic. I do- oh my 😮.
I'm impressed with both of their performance. It makes me wonder what the ballistics of a .25 pistol round would be like, by comparison. 🤘
Nice to see some videos that last more than a minute.
Another awesome clay video!! Surprising results, it cool when it turns out different than you would think. Thanks WTW
Wow, that lr round just exploded but still managed to penetrate the clay. On paper these 2 rounds are really pretty drastically different. Surprised me.
I do NOT want to be a 10lb block of clay, is all I can say. Well, that and 22WMR is still my favorite cartridge.
That 22lr boo-lot had a bunch of boogie on it!! Never dreamed it would drill a hole like that!! As always a really fun video!! Thanks for sharing
Can you shoot with multiple blocks back to back, and the velocity and hitting power between a semi-auto and a bolt action of the same caliber and bullet weight and type?
Great video!
I'm going to grab some of that Norma 22lr for my Ruger 22 Charger.
Should be able to reach out a little further than the stuff I was using.
Thanks again!
The internal cavity of the 22mag is much larger. Heavier bullet going faster dumps more energy.
The mag was also hollowpoint..
@@nickmotsarsky4382 Yes.
@@nickmotsarsky4382 I was referring to the cavity in the clay. Not the size of the hole in the hollow point
Your Right !!! Those are crazy results - totally agree !!
Great video, I would of never guessed that the 22lr was going to go through causing that much damage, very interesting 🤔
E = 1/2 m v^2 so the WMR has a significant advantage since mass AND velocity are higher.
*E0 Muzzle energy* as cited in the video:
.22 LR 24 gr at 1700 fps = 153.98 foot-pounds (208.77 Joule),
.22 WMR 40 g4 at 1918 fps = 326.68 foot-pounds (442.92 Joule)
Physics rocks!
The end ballistics of the .22 LR were very surprising.
All the best, Rob in Switzerland
I would love to see the results fired out of a two or three inch carry pistol with the 22lr, or Magnum even for that matter, also to see how much velocity is lost, great video
That was incredibly surprising.
Very interesting results. 👍
This is another example as to why the .22 lr has the most kills. The hydrostatic pressure dump on impact takes most people off guard, and then if it hits a bone it starts bouncing around in the body causing more damage
You don't disappoint my friend! Look at that 22LR
Yeah, the 22lr was pretty impressive, but when you look at the "insides" of the clay blocks...there really is no comparison. What I'd like to see (maybe it's already been done) is a comparison of the norma "eco" 22lrs and some CCI Stingers. That would be interesting!
Without doing a comparison of physical damage. The difference of impact with a 200 fps difference is impressive. To me an equal consideration is the difference in the cost of the rifle and the cost per round fired. The difference is huge with not much difference to be had. For the $ value difference, I'll stick with my .22 LR using the newer express jacketed hollow point rounds, I am looking at a box of my CCI Stingers now, I also use Winchester X Super Express.
That's the most interesting video I've seen from you in awhile. I can relate more to things I already own.
Thanks for watching Tom
The main reason the clay pattern is so different is that the 22 WMR round is a hollow point, while the comparison round is a solid slug. He seemed to miss this key point.
True that
You would think that the mag hp would be better and leave a bigger exit hole but it didn't.
@@tclanjtopsom4846 the magnum gave up a lot of energy with massive expansion of the lead inside of the clay.
I'm willing to bet that it looked like a .42 caliber pancake with a wart on the back side.
Massive internal cavitation.
I doubt that the LR got half of that type of expansion. Probably just slightly mushroomed the nose.
@@paulbillings1791 very true, i guess it depends whether you want rabbit stew or rabbit. I liked the cleaner look of the lr.
The mag did look like it imparted a lot more energy.
@@tclanjtopsom4846 What was used in the test was a little bit like comparing apples to walnuts.
Bonded bullets vs hollow points.
WMR with 40 gr. HP would destroy a rabbit. Wild hogs in the ocular socket...perfect.
Coyote control...perfect.
Rabbits would require a scaled back round. Probably something in the area of 28 gr. and FMJ to control the expansion a bit better. I've seen some hunting videos in Australia with high end rifles,Seiko I believe,and they were zapping rabbits at 400 yards or more. WMR is a very versatile round that has been configured in dozens of different ways.
I don't think a squirrel could tell a difference....but man alive, that's going to leave a mark!!!
22 LR I believe is very underrated
It's basically the smallest common round on the market so anyone carrying anything bigger will talk bad about sadly the nature of the beast. I got me a 10 22 and with how many shots it has I'm fine 22 will get the job done.
22lr just does just fine, if it fires like it should. That is the only real draw back for self defense for me.
Good video, I love that 22 mag. But woah that lr blew the back out huge!
I'd be interested in the pre and post weight of the clay blocks.
I love the stinger. Back in the day when you could buy a jug or Remington to one little box of CCI stingers I always got the stingers for target shooting/varmint and didn’t bother with the jug o bullets.
It's amazing how big of hole those little bullets can make!
What this test tells us is that the extra mass AND speed of if the .22 mag DUMPED iys energy into the clay block rather than using all of its energy to pass through the block with a large hole👍
With a nice long barrel, the magnum has enough room to build up as much speed as it can.
I would be interested to see how each performed in a short, pistol barrel. I would guess that the lighter .22 will have a significantly higher speed than the magnum, though neither will achieve their advertised numbers.
From what I've seen with other ammo types, extremely light frangible bullets perform amazingly out of short barrels, in comparison to heavier FMJ or JHP rounds out of the same gun.
Wow! 22LR really surprised me. Great video.
Definitely still more power out of the 22 mag - the energy to blow out the top and sides suggests a much more effective wound channel in the real world.
But certainly, there's been an enormous catch up in the 22 LR rounds in recent years, and the 22 mag doesn't have that much space to improve, due to case pressure limitations. There are 30 and 33 grain 22 mag options which will replicate the high velocity 22 LR effect.
It would be worth comparing various weights in 22 mag to let people see the huge difference between a 46 grain segmented, a 1875 fps 40 gr JHP and a 2200 fps 30 gr with ballistic tip or the "TNT" style varmint rounds.
22 mag is a lot more flexible than just a 40 grainer...
This comment saved me from typing alot
22 mag was my first gun, christmas present so I always root for it.
Say, I wonder how much clay was displaced from each clay block? If I heard you right, each block weighed 10 pounds to begin with. How much did each one weigh after being shot? I was especially curious about the big entrance side hole made by the .22Magnum. It still looked bigger than the exit hole of the .22LR.
My Mother-in-law’s name was Norma,I can tell you this ammunition is Deadly!!!!!!!
Pretty crazy I would like it if you did with 17 HMR that’s some fast stuff and has a lot of energy down range
WhoTeeWho great video brother 👍
If the .22 mag is a lead core projectile and the .22 long is monolithic, there is your difference. Lead is softer dumping energy faster than the monolithic bullet. Reason so many are liking the new Hammer bullets. A lighter weight yields great results with the right amount of velocity. I'm thinking about trying the 130 to 150 in my little 308 Winchester.
I shot 1183 yards in the rain today. 5.5 moa windag 42 moa+ vertical. Since you have that new 308 WTW you should check out those Hammers for your buddy to reload. I'm reading and hearing good thing's from hunters on deer and elk.
Just haven't had time or the components to see for myself.
Thats a great result surprising thank you for the video👌
No harm intended but you sound like Hank Hill occasionally.
Wow... another nice " clay block " video - good job - I actually just bought another Savage for myself chambered in 22LR and I bought 900 rounds of that " Norma Ecco Speed " can't wait to try it....
Awesome
I know what it does to my dirt outside. 22Lr folks a hole. 22WMR BLOWS a divot out. Should be fun
You know it
"Definitely might".... 🤣 that needs to be a shirt!
Maybe the lighter grain round expanded much faster with more energy dumped into the clay and consequently more expansion. 22s aee sooo much fun!
I don't think the 22LR expanded at all in the clay. Since it is lead free, it is most probably sintered copper. It would totally fragment on a hard surface but plowed right through the soft clay.
Great test. Shows difference of a hollow point vs solid. Both were good.
The 22mag still did more damage the clay is thiner
Yes I love clay videos! Dang those things are mooooving!