Frank Zappa - Village Of The Sun/Echidnas Arf Of You/Don't You Ever Wash That Thing (Reaction)
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Echidnas Arf and Don't you ever wash that thing were two of the most fun songs to arrange for my Zappa tribute band. I really don't remember how it was hearing it for the first time. I was often blown away by the complexity of how his music was put together. Like the end of Echidna, the melody that goes up and down a few times...the background rhythm is in 7/16, but the melody on top of that is divided in 5 + 6, so it is a melody in 11/16. The melody has a few extra notes in the beginning of that part so that the background and the melody "meet" in the end. Quite mathematical, and very cool. It was a tough one to rehearse!
Great reaction. Loved how mystified you seemed by the brilliance and indefinability of the compositions. What genre or style is it? I reckon it's music...all of it, all the styles. This is where music lives. Music is the best
You'd always get your money's worth at a Zappa show. Some of the most awesome musicianship ever. A real favorite. Naturally to this day the Zappa band plays these, Dweezil plays these, and every cover band plays these.
Not every cover band as they are way to difficult for most!
The famous Roxy concerts did have two drummers, Ralph Humphries and Chester Thompson who left Zappa to join Genesis
Zappa was garbage
First saw Zappa Jan '74. He played these songs and others off of One Size Fits All. Blew me away. Still haven't recovered. :)
And Zappa would rehearse 80 to 120 songs that the band had to memorize. Often Zappa would choose the songs just 30 minutes before they would start the show. A new show every night. Saw him 5 times in 7 days/different cities. Each concert was different and if they played the same song, Zappa's solo would ALWAYS be different.
Great to see your reaction. The space/sci-fi noise is a synthesizer. No xylophone here, it’s marimba and vibraphone. The drum battle was carried on by Chester Thompson when he joined Genesis to happen between him and Phil Collins. It shouldn’t end where this recording is ending. Drum battle was followed by a guitar solo and an outro. Zappa found his musicians in all kinds of ways: auditions, talent-scouting and meeting through his band members. Cheers Rory!
The singer is Napoleon Murphy Brock who played in most of the seventies with Frank Zappa
It was a badge of honor as a musician to play in Frank's band. You were considered a one percenter for sure, because that's all he hired...
Sun Village is Lancaster, CA, where FZ when to High School. A town best know for raising turkeys, sandstorms, and race riots among the Latinos, blacks and whites in the area at that time. It's also where FZ formed one of his earliest bands, an interracial group called The Black Outs in the late 1950s.
“Maybe Frank Zappa is just making me go insane”. Lol. Best reaction. So yes it’s true that this isn’t the version I was thinking of but honestly I don’t think that one is available in one piece on YT. No worries this was great as I haven’t even heard this version so yeah you and I get to learn together. Great stuff Rory!
Ya gotta do "Cheepnis" from "Roxy & Elsewhere".
Imagine a bad sci-fi movie where a gigantic poodle is threatening the citizenry. Frank style.
Blessings.
Frunobulax!
Zappa was the last shit
@ Moron He took his last shit on Dec. 4th 1993.
Zappa would create his music to highlight the talents of his musicians, pushing them to their limits. The percussionist Ruth Underwood said that she thought Zappa wrote the music that she was born to play
No exaggeration: Frank Zappa is THE most interesting and exceptional composer who ever lived. No joke.
IMO he's surpassed every other... Mozart, Bach, everyone -by light-years. A true genius, an artistic prophet.
From late-summer '73 to summer '74 these three songs were always played together as a trilogy.
Village Of The Sun, possessor of one of Frank's cleverest and most fascinating chord-progressions, and, as Frank noted, it's an unusually sentimental song for him. Which is probably why, on the next few tours, he replaced the ballad arrangement with a more comical cowboy-country-ish arrangement. Before turning it into a sort of generically West Indian ballad when Ike Willis joined the band. (Check out the Passaic 78 version: Ike vocal plus keyboard solos).
Echidna's Arf Of You (which was at one time the original bearer of the title Excentrifugal Forz) seems like pure unadulterated Zappa but was allegedly conceived as a parody of ELP's Tarkus. (An echidna is a species of anteater - Frank sponsored one at a local zoo).
Don't You Ever... is the oldest ingredient in the sequence, it originated in late-1972 but evolved quite a bit over the next two-and-a-half years.
People have complained about the fact you weren't listening to the Roxy & Elsewhere version of the suite, but this version is actually closer to the way it actually happened at those Roxy Theatre gigs. (On the Roxy & Elsewhere album, there are more overdubs and even more edits).
Very cool info, thanks
And if you must know it’s Bruce Fowler on trombone
If FZ wrote any nostalgic songs Village One The Sun would be one of them.
It's bloody complicated !
It's great to see someone hearing what I heard the first time all those years ago. What will be sad is if you only get to hear it once because as already suggested, it just gets better every time.
Love the reaction about focussing and hypnotising. Needs at least 10 listens to get the vibe. 2 drummers indeed. Ralph Humphries & Chester Thompson (the latter joined Genesis after Zappa) The singer in the first part is Napoleon Murphy Brock. He's fantastic and he was great. Funny and entertaining performer on stage at that time with Zappa.
You know what your talking about. It's Napoleon Murphy Brock singing.
A FZ masterpiece
Absolutely.....first listen.....too much too handle. Much of Frank's music grow for every time you listen to a song. After 50 years the songs still grows for every time I hear these songs (they are some of my favorite Zappa songs). These three songs are the B-side of Roxy and Elsewhere from 74 (double live LP at the time.)
What I also like with Frank is that the songs changes for every time he plays them live. He add things or change something. Like in the last track here, Don't You Ever Wash That Thing, there was a trombone solo. On the Rox and Elsewhere record there is an electric pianosolo that feels more like a release after the earorgasm of notes for several minutes.
Guess this one is an earlier recording of the songs than on Elsewhere where they sounds much tighter........and a better recorded sound. Check it out and see for yourself.
The original releases should always be listened to first, IMHO, then branch out into the myriad of variations available. That's Bruce Fowler on trombone, he can be seen doing a little interpretive dance on stage during Frank's rendition of Bolero.
You had to have chops to play with Frank. Trombone is the brass instrument you hear.
The version on "Roxy & Elsewhere" is more cohesive, and easier to grasp. The audio is better balanced.
These songs all flowed together in concert... The dude who put the video together included the microsecond space between tracks by his streaming service...
lol...this is too much for my brain....lol....just WAIT untiil you get to the computer shit. Like Calculus, for example...Your brain is going to explode.
Ruth give me something!!!!!
When i listen these things about couple decades ago i found something new again. Familiar songs,but always something new. Thats why bands come n go,Zappa stays.
The sound quality was so bad that I couldn't watch/listen to this. Sorry... You would have to do better in the future for me to watch. Thought you might wish to know. A great selection of Zappa songs however so it's a shame that I couldn't watch your reaction.
wrong.
wrong version what ever any geek sayes..roxy and elsewere is da thing....that was what HE realeased. its fun with all this bonus things.
but for fucking hell be true to his art.
You can as al us geeks lissen to this version but not for start...this is an epic album(original).
who ever said you have this as a first is a smuck...probably you are smuck and did foul dial
This is a "Warts and All" recording with no overdubs from the original recording... For the Roxy and Elsewhere album, these songs were overdubbed and edited...