What the Heck is Sony THINKING?! | The PetaPixel Podcast
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Yesterday, Sony added two more cameras to its line of interchangeable cameras which brought the line to no less than 18 total choices from entry-level through professional. That is just too many.
Sony has made it a company policy to discontinue camera bodies and lenses as infrequently as possible, which has the advantage of giving buyers more choice when it comes to determining how to spend their money. Continuing to sell the Sony a7 II, for example, even though there a7 IV is the most recent addition to that section of the line allows a photographer to decide to spend less on a camera if they don’t think they need as many features.
But on the flip side, it results in a camera line that has an amorphous beginning and end. Seeing so many choices ends up becoming more of a detriment than a benefit. In this week’s PetaPixel Podcast, Chris, Jordan, and Jaron talk about this problem and do their best to point out how difficult it has become to recommend a specific camera for a specific use case given the bloated nature of Sony’s camera line.
Additionally, the trio talks about the latest news including the booming popularity of Ricoh’s GR III and a new lens patent from Canon that is easily the weirdest design they’ve ever seen.
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In this Episode:
00:00 - Intro
3:59 - The GR III is so popular, Ricoh can't keep it in stock: petapixel.com/2023/08/28/the-...
8:42 - Demand for cameras is exploding in China: petapixel.com/2023/08/28/sony...
10:28 - Canon's latest lens patent is one of the weirdest designs we've ever seen: petapixel.com/2023/08/25/cano...
14:47 - Sony completes the G Master zoom trifecta: petapixel.com/2023/08/29/sony...
21:15 - Sony expands the "Compact" line with two new additions: petapixel.com/2023/08/29/sony...
30:00 - What is Sony thinking? It's camera line is so bloated
47:47 - What have you been up to?
54:31 - Never read the comments 
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Yes as an A1, and A7SIII owner, we did get overlooked after the initial purchase for "flagship" cameras for still and video. Sorry I bought them sometimes, when cheaper cameras have some better features. It will be tough to spend this much again just to get what we should have had in firmware updates. Cheers
You made the mistake of assuming that the product you bought would get updates. You should never do that. You are buying what it is on the day you bought it. That's the only guarantee. Everything else is a bonus. You weren't really overlooked. You just got all the things up front.
@@POVwithRCfx3 says otherwise. If they can update that camera they can update the a7siii
@@POVwithRCThey aren't really good at selling their top of the line cameras to new consumers though. Its hard to motivate someone buying the a1 when another camera for a third of the price have more features.
I get the frustration, but there is a quote from Rene Ritchie here on youtube that I like very much.
Wait as long as you can to buy something, then buy the best you can, and enjoy the heck out of it, because there will always be something newer, better, cheaper and faster.
That’s the nature of tech.
Also, your A1 and A7SIII didn’t suddenly became bad products because newer stuff came out ✌️
Not sure, do the new cameras offer 1/400 synch speed or non-bending electronic shutter at any speed? To me, such features made me buy A1 for professional use, not some "train-AF" or so. What upgrade would you need by firmware for professional needs?
I really love you guys. Its always like listening to good friends. Please never stop.
The secret is we actually are good friends 😄 - Jaron
Panasonic definitely needs to make a new point and shoot. I picked up a cheap used LX10 and have had fun with it, but an updated LX100 series camera would be interesting. Better yet, they should be able to cram a 4/3 sensor easily into a GR sized body and maybe have room for dust/weather sealing.
It didn't sell well and won't. The thing is people stigmatized with small sensor = cheaper, the price isn't competitive enough against the bigger sensor. The dilemma of many choice
Those who know its true value are more likely not a newbie but advanced user that just want something compact. Pair with small flash, you can neglect the sensor size in most scenario
i rock with tz90 and gx80 is great, lx lineup is great too also 1inch sensor lumix, there is plenty to choose from what we need from lumix is what nikon did with ZFC but that could challange OM system
imagine panasonic releasing new tough camera in 2024......😮
Don’t distract Panasonic, they need to focus on their focusing for now before any flirtations with cameras of a compact nature.
Panasonic doing great anyway dont need anyone to tell them what to do compact bodies best ibis great lenses amazing 4k video
Read me out: This is a Sony effort to improve profitability through cost-cutting and higher pricing. After years of heavy investment in the A full frame line up, they really want their money back and know more people are now heavily invested with several FE lenses.
Frankly speaking, for a newcomer looking into FF, a Panasonic S5ii would be a much more compelling and value-oriented choice. Their compact lenses are also very attractively priced and offering a good selection. Features wise, it’s like suddenly Sony stopped listening to the users/RUclipsrs feedback (old EVF, tiny HDMI, eternally mediocre UI, etc.) for continued improvement/evolution, and now Panasonic is the one paying attention to said feedback and actually implementing it into arguably better cameras that undercut these new models by hundreds.
Sony weren't as bad with firmware updates at the beginning of the alpha mirrorless life, hopefully Canon, Nikon and Panasonic pushing them on full frame finally will force them to be more competitive on firmware as well.
I feel like I used to hear "sony really listens to their users!" .. but maybe that was in the ccontext of,"..and then they put that feature in their new cameras which they release every 6 months"
@ANDYSOUND1
As if Sony hadn´t been profitable before.....
Like many others, I´m increasingly baffled by the road Sony is taking. They are creating huge overlap in their line up instead of accentuating the respective strength of each camera. Including 8K video in the A7r V for example is as unnecessary as it gets.
It looks increasingly as if Sony is bent on repeating Canon´s mistake by not developing new sensors and re-using one and the same sensor ad nauseam.
When Jordan made the Zork comment ("I think Zork was text...") I wasn't sure to laugh or cry.
Firmware updates is why I stay with Fuji. Outside of film sims, which is more than slightly grating, I always feel like they do a great job of maximize the capabilities of older models and where they stop feels like limitations of a given processor being reached. They have also spoke candidly about film sims however, saying they are expensive to make which is why they are gated. One thing they have mentioned in the past is the possibility of issuing paid firmware for things like film sims. For me I would be okay with that as I know how time consuming it is to develop something like an advanced color profile that works in a number of settings like their film sims do. Say $50 to add nostalgic neg to my x-s10 would be something I would pay for.
Sorry to hear of the quality of life drop Jordan, but I'm excited for all the upcoming videos you're editing!
🤞 Come on Panasonic 🤞
Never heard the most geeked out camera nerds in one session and actually enjoyed it.
100% correct about the GR's popularity trickling down from the Fuji single prime camera hype.
I looked for a portable family camera with a nice coloring. Found the 100v alongside the hype. I didn't care about the pastiche look, I only wanted something really simple that can take high quality photos like my old RX100 mk1 did, but with more vibe to them.
Also it seemed pretty large and intrusicve... so I looked further
After seeing photos of the GRIII and GRIIIx I ordered a GRIIIx instantly and LOVE it. Such a fantastic little camera!
The AF could be better and I'd love to have weather sealing... but it is still 100% what I needed from a pocket powerhouse
The sharpness, vibe, touchscreen, snap focus, Jpeg/raw in camera processing, and the menus are so easy to navigate!
BTW I got so hooked on the Ricoh... I now have a GXR with the M mount which I absolutely love (such a underrated camera)
+ got a beat up GRII for my wife* (basically perfect excuse to play with the old Jpeg processor and 28mm equivalent fixed lens hehe)
SO happy Ricoh is getting recognition for these!
I love the podcast, guys! O and can't wait to see the fujifilm releases.. I wish they'd change the gfx100 line to a more luxury version.. the x100s is amazing.. so if they want to keep the 100 lineup, let's see something sweet!
I am working in a camera store, even if it seems to be a problem having so much choice, it's nice to have option for every budget, and having the flexibility to choose a body over another and having money left for lens, not everybody needs eye AF or perfect tracking video performance, when you hit black friday, the a7 ii at around 999$ is a good budget fullframe for landscape or portrait camera. I would not recommand it first hand, but at least the option is still there! Great podcast as always!
You guys fantastic. My favorite Best podcast/video cast by far! My wife thinks I'm losing it because I sit across the room cackling for an hour and a half
The Ricoh GR3 is popular because of the rising popularity of street photography and people abandoning small film cameras for a digital equivalent
Lack of firmware updates is the biggest reason to avoid Sony
Just listened to this on a way home from a wedding, very enjoyable and kept me awake. It's odd none of the big three have it just right. Canon with it's closed mount, Sony with lack of firmware updates and Nikon with only the Z8 and Z9 with really good AF. They also lack a lot of lenses like a 24 35 50 and 85 f1.4's , they are killing it on the long end.
A7RIIIA is not known as v2 in the US. 🤷 It is either simply listed as a7RIII without specifying the A, or it is listed as A7RIIIA if it is explicitly called out (as I believe it is on B&H)
5:30 - I was privileged to be able to live just a few blocks away from Precision Camera, in Austin Texas. That is where I bought my Olympus TG-4 and my used Sony A7R2 (along with my Tamron 28-200).
However, Best Buy sells a few of the more popular cameras. Even the small Best Buy, in my small West Texas town has a tolerable selection of not crappy cameras.
The mile marker for my week. Have come to enjoy the chemistry.
Re: Cii and CR? Sort of head over heels for the R. Small streetable body with croppable high MP shots? I'll take two...
I've had the GRIIIx for a year and half and it gets far more play than my A7 IV just because I can take it anywhere. Most of my favorite shots have been from the GR.
The only downside is that Ricoh generally makes these to be throw away as the cost to repair from the only authorized repair shop, Precision Camera, is often only a few hundred less than a new unit. I'm honestly kind of paranoid about how many times I actuate the lens because of this. I often just leave the camera on between shots, but then camera runs hot.
GR3 dropped the flash, has unreliable dials, and still has sensor dust issues. I love mine, but still wish for a sturdier and weather-sealed one.
They fixed the unreliable dials a few years back. Since the GRIIIx especially they have improved the loose dials across the board. It is only a possible concern if you're buying second hand now.
Also, with the Nisi filter system you can put a clear filter on and protect the lens from dust.
No flash work around though. 😂
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@@-grey good to hear on the dials. For every claim on a sensor dust solution, there is a counter-claim from someone who did it out of the box and still had issues. It's a very persistent problem, even among those with filter tricks (inc. Ricoh).
@@astrostl You do have to be a bit careful still tbf. The superfluous speakers are still a opening inside the camera housing, and small dust will get through the mesh. A bit of tape will help there too. It's not ideal, but you can go along way to keeping it going dust-free.
That's just a trade off for fixed-lens cameras though, none are better or worse than others in that department - the X100 series is the same. I think you only hear about it with the GR more because there's not a lot of big complaints about it in general, so they're all kind of prefaced with "if I had to nitpick something then..." So, I don't think it's a reason to avoid them entirely. The extra UX value they bring to the table after using one far out-weighs the minor negatives for me. I think it's one of the best cameras ever made in terms of design for purpose. However, there isn't a hard hype following or user base for them, GR users are pretty quiet in general. So you only find out a lot of the biggest positives once you've actually owned it for a while.
All that said, I wouldn't snub some weather sealing and a flip up selfie screen in the GRIV though. 😂
Oof, was worrying that there wouldn't be a podcast release today - glad it's out after all!
Sorry about that! I was about an hour later than usual. It's been a busy week. -Jaron
@@PetaPixel understandable, and not to worry 😄 it's worth waiting for
I understand the GR hype. I really considered buying one 10 years ago, but went for the Sony RX1. It has the same volume to sensor area ratio, and I still use it today.
I have both the X70 and GRIII. Shot the X70 for years, and upgraded to the GRIII this year. The only thing I miss from the X70 is the flip up selfie screen. It was a nice snap-travel-doc camera, it had all the specs I ever need anyway. That said the GR is probably the most intelligently designed camera I have ever used. They really put some incredible UX considerations into it. It's so good that I feel like they should be designing more important things than pocket cameras. 😂
I love that Sony is bringing us compact form factor options. It's the opposite direction Fujifilm and Canon are going which is why I'm dropping Fujifilm now that my X-T2 is dead. The a7C range is awesome as are the LCD only ZV and FX cameras. Although, I'll probably just get a Z30, because it's good enough for me and my money. I don't need pricey pro features. All I care about is reasonable IQ, AF, compact portability, and some nice compact primes. If I didn't care about money though, I'd have an a7CII and the Zeiss 35f2.8. It's basically the same size as the X100V. ✌️
Comment at 41:30 is ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON!!!
Super interesting about Chungking Express. One of my top 3 favorite movies. :)
I think nasal tracking activation is a skill worth learning :) #LeftEyeShooter
There are still many local mom and pop camera stores across USA, you just have to look. My fav is Allen's Camera in Levittown, Pa,, outside Philadelphia. Where Jared Polin got his start, and still his fav dealer. Cheers
I stopped supporting mom n pop after I got sold a Grey market canon r5. Zero warranty from canon USA.
Nothing exists out of Jarons frame of reference
@@lewcehjitl3282 Just know who you are dealing with. Countless thousands of pro and hobbyist have been dealing with Allen's camera for decades, and they never sell grey ,market goods. And even as NPS, CPS, SPS member, i often can get new releases quicker from Allen's than the big guys like B&H and Adorama where the waiting list can be hundreds of folks long. You should try Allen's. They have a stellar rep. Cheers
I'm also one of those weird GR III enthusiasts; it does so much so well it's hard to deny the appeal. Personally, I would still love to see Sony re-enter the compact full-frame, fixed lens market to compete against the Leica Q3 with an updated RX1R III, but with every passing month it seems like Sony has given up on this market segment.
I am also a GRiiix owner and I second the return of the RX1R 👌 for now I am pretty happy with my little GR though.
Just waiting for the new sensor cameras to drop and really interested in the next iteration of the FX series for my work. It's nice to see the hand-me-down tech going into smaller, cheaper albiet hobbled and overheating offerings, but there are things that really should be starting to be addressed in new models. Such as included ND filters finally, or rolling shutter. How about improved noise or dynamic range? Higher resolution LCD, surely. NO heating issues...those kinda of things. How about that innovation and improvements over just repurposing, please and thank you.
Back in the seventies when I was photo major at R.I.T. I owned and shot with a Mamiya C330, and of course our courses had us using view cameras too, from 4X5 in. to 11X14 inch Deardorf. I teach a 35mm B&W film class at a USA state university, so I get back into 35mm B&W image making with my old Canon F1 film camera, two of which I used ,one with B&W film and the other with Color transparency film to cover the War in Nicaragua between the Sandinistas and Contras back in 1987. Cheers and best to you all, well done guys. Cheers and FYI, i have used gyroscopic stabilization rigs hanging out of open helicopter doors covering news events and even Tall Ships around the world.
as a a6400 owner, I wanted the a6700 to have 2 card slots so bad... b/c I too have looked at this lineup and been overwhelmed. There isn't a clear path to go with a camera with 2 card slots. I don't take photos professionally, but I do a lot of charity events, etc. where backup card slot would really help give me a lot of peace of mind... and I prefer the tiny body... but would have killed for a 'pro apsc' :/
Commander Keen and Zork! Yeeeeeeah!!!! Also cameras!
Shooting mainly manual lenses the A7C looks appealing FF in a small package. Going from xpro3 to a7c would I really be missing the 1/8000th??
Still use my Nikon Coolpix A quiet often. Still delivers amazing sharp detailed images. Although AF is a bit sluggish
I have a GR and CoolpixA.. after the disappointment of the GX100 i got used to the Ricoh menus and usage, so I use the GR more, but the CoolpixA produces great pictures. Only bad point, no pixel mapping so i have to do in SW. Next closest is my N1 J5 with 10mm pancake lens (as we dont all have an RX).
I have a question for the team about big lens and tripod balancing. Typically, with larger, heavier lenses, you would have a collar to mount the lenses into the tripod. For me, I am rocking a X-T30II with a tamron 18-300m lens and so my camera setup would slowly move downward. This is also true when I used the XF 55-200mm lens. How can I fix this? Can you recommend a ballhead? I currently use a sirui traveler 5A.
Many many many years ago I was helping on a shoot, and the photographer was doing rolling shot truck bed to car. He was doing really slow shutter and had one of those gyro setups hanging off the camera.
I know some manufacturers experimented with having a switchable front half of the lens assembly instead of a fully interchangeable lens in the 50s. I think it was on some Eaat German camera
There are lots of camera stores in the US - at least one or maybe two for every major city. I love road trips, top things to look for when on an adventure are Camera stores, live music venues, and thrift stores :p
We received a shipment of the original A7 earlier this year, and the last one sold in like March or April.
As a Fuji X70 owner, the sharpness setting needs to be cranked up in the menu, then the camera has no issue making sharp photos. Set up with 1:1 ratio and grayscale it's really fun to shoot street photos with.
I really enjoyed this video, especially when Chris said he was contemplating robbing the guy of his X100v, LMAO. Then, a sad reflection of the times, the lack of camera stores across the USA. England in general, and London in particular where I live, used to have lots of camera stores. Over the years far too many of the smaller independent, family-run businesses, have closed. There are still some excellent ones but for the main part we have lost that personal touch, direct help and customer care from an enthusiastic shop owner. Fortunately, the larger groups such as WEX, do still offer great advice but it is not as good as you could get in the past in-shop in a more leisurely way. For me though, in the UK, I would like to give shout-outs for Grays of Westminster for Nikon, and Campkins of Cambridge and Park Cameras for many makes for outstanding service.
Excellent show as usual guys. I'm really enjoying your dynamics.
I live in China, and have had a lot of Chinese non-photographers ask me for recommendations for which camera they should buy (and they’re willing to spend the cash to get something nice). The demand for cameras here is real, and I do think it has something to do with the post-Covid desire to travel (as you guys have eluded to).
Hi owners/users of the om-d em10 mkiv. does it do 4k60p uncropped? If not whats the crop factor? (Mechanical ibis only. Digital IS OFF)
Fuji film have something similar in the concept. They once made a super zoom compact camera with mechanic that move lens elements to the side instead of traditional collapsing.
Phone enthusiasts: first time getting confused with the amount and types of models?
Sony is crushing it with compact bodies. The main issue for me is that the lenses are relatively big still. I know that Samyang and Sony make compact primes but I would love to see more compact zooms, which are essential for travel.
Sony 20-70mm F4 is a good lens for me 😉
A few more wouldn't be too bad . Still there are a few nice options now 28-70 2.8 Sigma is quite compact for full frame
Couldn't agree more about the Sony camera lineup. Discontinue, consolidate and focus on firmware updates for flagships to match entry level cameras. Until then I just cannot be bothered with a Sony camera body. How long do I need to wait for a Sony A7S4 with AI AF?
Meanwhile I'm still rocking my 645z and 5Dmk2 😅
Where can I listen to the full theme song of the podcast?!
The used market is so good nowadays. Last gens top of the line is better than paying top dollar for latest and greatest. Sony has the best lens options in the business to cover anyone. Cough cough @Canon
I really loved the covid period, no airstrikes in my landscape photos🙂
Found a brief cameo by Jaron in one of Chris & Jordan's old youtube videos - from March 2018. One of the last ones they did for The Camera Store TV when they were in Las Vegas for the Sony A7iii launch - they were in a helicopter together.
That was a good day. Also back when I didn't get any motion sickness at all. I've hung out of heuys in Arizona too, but nowadays any bumps and I'm an unhappy boy.
Why are the resolution specs of the LCD or EVF always given in Dots? Its not like sensor resolution is given as megadots.
That Sony camera list is pure market segmentation insanity.
😊Agree with Jordan…go with camera names! Rebel, Bandit, Rambo etc.
'Chris Pickles' the alter ego of Chris
Hello, I’m a quinceañera photographer and I still use the Sony a7ii professionally. Quality is still great with new lenses it does great. Never had any complaints from clients that it is not sharp or that quality is bad.
Just feel I need to rep the Coolpix A. A seriously underrated camera for street photography and general walk around. The lens is nice and sharp, it has a nice little flash for the compact camera aesthetic, nice build and a great manual focusing implementation with the focus ring which makes zone focus a breeze. And it's a Nikon, so if you have used a Nikon dslr it's just like coming home.
I miss it. And it's got the rarity street cred now.
I was lucky enough to find one for a good price here in Norway. And I'll never sell it:)@@niccollsvideo
I feel like a talk about older digital cameras might be a good idea for a podcast, you might even call it classic digitals.@@niccollsvideo
I upgraded from the a6300 to the a6700, and the EVF on the a6700 is much better, even though it has the same resolution. I noticed there is a T* marking next to the EVF, that was not there in the a6300. It refers to the Zeiss coating, which is I'm sure just for marketing, but this could mean that the EVF has better optics that makes a difference.
Fuji, Ricoh and Panasonic have an AMAZING opportunity to create new pocketable cameras. Ricoh GRIV, Fuji X80, new small LUMIX m43
the sales numbers for each of those cameras should say if any of those needs to go. The reason for those cameras to exist is simple: there is more markets than US and Canada.Price is a important factor
Anytime you buy anything tech, never rely on assumptions about sw upgrades. MUH Fuji kaizen also slowed and died when Fujifilm got their share big enough, the current sw update goldenboy Nikon was also a slouch when they had comfortable position.
Yup the smart money buys after the firmware update. I was very excited to buy a used X-E2 and upgrade it to firmware 4.0, the difference was night and day!
I am a fashion photography student what would be the best camera or on based i need too choose ? Which brand would be better?
H &i thanks, what's the difference between 24mpx to 61mpx in printing?
These shzitty screens are INEXCUSABLE for the price that they are asking, I rented an A7R4 and I was surprised on how much better my D750 screen is, considering it is now a Dinosaur
The evf and screen are the same resolution as the U$300 2015 em5II, a joke for a U$2k camera
I bought a DJI mini 3 pro today. As an A74 and A7R4 shooter I was so shocked at the quality of the screen on the remote. I’d love to have the same on the back of my camera. It’s like a $2-300 remote, wtf Sony?
You have to understand it's all relative. Sony shooters who, after comparing the specifications that matter to them, still want to be in the Sony ecosystem have no camera bodies with much better screens to compare them to and don't feel as much pressure to compare their camera to non-Sony options. Whereas, people on the outside looking in (whether they're prospective Sony shooters or happy users of other systems) are much more likely to be aware of and care about this difference. People weigh their options differently, that should be no surprise. You can't say "get with the times" on this subject because Sony obviously prioritizes other aspects of the camera experience, much like they consistently release the same body ergonomics year after year. I don't think someone should be heavily basing their camera decision on the screen resolution. It's still a 3" screen.
Sony has the worst screens
@@EvanA.also wtf is the deal with cameras not advertising a proper resolution on their camera lcd’s. If your resolution is not listed as “1920x1080p” or “3840x2160” then you’re bsing I don’t care how many total dots it has that means nothing to me, I care about the vertical and horizontal resolution.
Also yea with a three inch screen you literally can’t tell a difference past 1080p. 3 inches is so small that even at 1080 pixel density is still insanely high.
I would say that if upgrades are important to you, buy a camera from a manufacturer who regularly issues upgrades. But, if you want to buy Sony, just know that upgrades aren't Sony's thing. On the other hand, whenever new hardware is released it will have the latest features and you don't necessarily have to buy the top of the line camera to get them.
Perhaps the difference between the Alpha and FX divisions should be pointed out. My FX3 has had several great upgrades. The FX30 and FX6 also see development.
Guys, I just want to point out that Sony made a firmware upgrade for the A7Riii that really changed it's capabilities compared to what it was when unboxed in 2017. Somewhere around 2018-2019 the firmware (was it 3.0 ?) release really enhanced the Eye AF for Humans and Animals. I remember at the time it was like I just had got a new camera and I remember how much I was so grateful to Sony then. Those were the days. These days I use an A1 (May 2021) and love it. Yes, and as all you others, I would like to get a new firmware upgrade that would enhance the capabilities of the A1. March 2024 firmware promise - at least from what I have read - doesn't do anything for me in my real day usage. Great show. Keep up the great work.
So you do many a camera or lense shootout. Why not do an actual, whole-system shootout or system review on a somewhat regular schedule (I reckon yearly would be pretty reasonable)? This would be incredibly helpful to new phtographers who are coming from nothing, and give you the sort of freedom to talk about general traits of systems, like how one system has a larger proportion of lenses with lots of breathing, or how some systems rely much more heavily on corrections/processing to deliver the image quality they promise.
Hah go back to bapo nerd
Griiix is a really dope camera. Super little and really nice sharp photos literally pocketable. And has in camera editing with film simulations. It’s a no brainer 👌
The 3rd host comes across as someone who's 1) never worked in a camera store 2) isn't familiar with camera manufacturers in general. Regarding APSC cameras...most customers shop on price in this segment, then features after. So it makes sense to have a camera at every price point. The only cameras I'd argue are redundant are the a6100 and a6400. Secondly, when it comes to his "oh my God SOOO many cameras too bloated!!" sentiment...is he aware that most manufacturers have a lot of APSC cameras...? Canon alone has at least 8. Nikon has 4. Fujifilm has 9. So what are we talking about here? At least with Sony, you can point to clear use cases for most cameras (vloggers, compact shooters, videographers, hybrid shooters).
So do you think Fx30ii will be available in 6 months appx?
I had two A7C versions. But being full frame, they simply don't fulfill the implicit promise to have a more compact setup!
In the end, the full frame glass is the problem, not the camera body. And since I'm not a bokeh head, I like a bit more of my frame to be recognizable. The conclusion was the A7600.
I never even felt like my RX100V was missing anything for photos. audio/video was iffy tho...
On the subject of lens mount diameter: I've also often read that it restricts the IBIS, but that's also wrong. Very few lenses are telecentric, i.e. the light rays do not hit the sensor at right angles, but at a slight angle. That's why they can pass through such a narrow spot as the lens mount and still produce a larger image at the back in which the sensor can move. The only technical limitation of the small mount is the ability to build very fast, telecentric lenses. But nobody would build them anyway, because they would be much too big, heavy and expensive for normal users. It is also often forgotten that not the diameter alone but also the flange focal distance is decisive. From this, you can geometrically derive the maximum angle that the light rays can reach at the edge of the image, and that is the decisive factor for lens design
Wow, Zork. You guys must be older than you look. Watch out for that grue! (Keep up the good work!)
At least I am. I think it's before Jordans time. I'm a child of the video game generation.
Thanks for the great discussion! Just for the future - I kept getting distracted by the background noise. Someone had their AC or laptop fan blasting. Hopefully an easy fix during editing!
Noted!
It's definitely too many cameras. Panasonic lately announced they would slim their lineup, and they did, but it's still confusing. And Fuji and Olympus are discontinuing products until wonder if they'll leave any on sale at all!! :)
Sony CEO (of the time) has acknowledged this product lineup problem a couple of decades ago for their entire domestic product range back in the PS2 era, where they had over 250 different products in the small electronics department alone.
50 f1.2 definitely have character wide open. So does the 135GM to a lessor degree. I agree the 35GM is quite clinical though.
50 for character 35 for corner to corner sharpness
Nickel metal hydrate? OMG I just went back to ‘99 when I was selling for Ameritech Cellular
I'm not a sony guy either, but honestly: character should never come from an expensive lens, but your editing. The more money I pay the less "character" I want.
Can one of you guys explain the base ISO differences between shooting video in LOG and photos? Typically base ISO for photos is around 100 but shooting video it’s 400, 800, 1600…. Why is there such a difference?
You can visually tell Jordan is the video guy and Chris has a pickle skincare routine.
Bro, sony is actually gaining market share, check stats
Sony and Fujifilm building up too many different models to support. I miss when there were best all rounder cameras. Now there's a camera line for vlogging, video work, photo, big photo etc. Instead of cool designs with the same features. We get features cut from product lines that could have them.
It's not really a gargantuan task to support a myriad of bodies all running the same guts, which is a Fuji hallmark. There is a difference between being unable to support this many models, and being 'unwilling' to support this many. Big intent difference.
Sony doesn’t offer firmware updates anyway 😁
@@POVwithRC Canon used to have a product line at every price point and barely made updates since they kept the features segregated. All the main features for top end and each lower camera getting fewer even though they would have similar hardware.
@@BrownieX001That's crazy bro but I didn't ask about Canon's history Wikipedia.
I would rather have best purpose camera, than all round one.
Tired of my photo oriented camera having fully articulated screen, so I am very happy the way XT line is going.
guys if u talking about A7ii are the A7ii has many problem in your country ?
I was literally thinking that the commenter was looking to do some Chungking Express style shots then Jordan mentioned he recently watched it 🎉🎉🎉
I have felt for some time that cameras are reaching a point of diminishing returns - what is next? what could you possibly need to take a damn snapshot? Thermal imaging or Nuclear resonance?
There are different parts of the sw upgrade strategy from the camera vendors. Some companies need multiple upgrades to fix the autofocus reasonably well (eg Nikon Z9 took quite some time to fix AF and still not on par with eg A1). Other companies need quite some time to deliver SW that fix glaring overheating problems (eg Canon R5). A SW upgrade strategy can be to fix these kind of important and basis aspects before release and therefor needing less SW upgrades. An expensive camera should provade the performance when you buy it. Not 6-12 months later.
About the sharpness of lenses. Let's make two standards. The sensual and the clinical sharpness ;-)
Aren’t there a number of apps that pull panorama stills from video already.
Chungking Express is one of my favorite movies. The slow shutter and the time lapses were so pretty to see in the movie. I’m excited to see Fallen Angels soon 😍
I think Leica had a lens with 3 focal length. I don’t know if technically worked the same as this Canon
This was an insightful podcast. I have been considering Sony for quite a time now as well as Nikon. Sony is more affordable initially (when also looking at the lenses available), but the lack of support really puts me of. In terms of camera I am considering I am looking at the Sony A7IV or Sony A7CII. I'm mainly orientated towards landscape, nature and wildlife photography.
If looking at Nikon the Z8 is the only option for me which is considerable more expensive, which is the main reason I am looking mostly to Sony.
What would you guys advise me to buy considering I am focused towards landscape, nature and wildlife. (I don't shoot video).
My predicament as well. I have gone Sony selling all my Nikon gear except my Df and some old glass. Am building back up. Sony has more choice than either Nikon or Canon at the moment.
The comments about high Canadian pricing were strange; I checked a couple Canadian websites and the converted prices between $CDN and $USD were basically the same (the Canadian price often rounded up to the next round (hundred) number).
I thought Jaron lived in Portland, Portland has ProPhoto Supply camera store among others... not all camera stores are gone.
9:00 - about the pent up demand in China, I was living in mainland China through all of covid 2020-2022 and there was little to no lock downs and we were allowed to travel anywhere in Mainland China pretty freely. It was actually much worse in North America. The misconception is when the major lockdowns started happening in Feb and March of 2022, that's when they finally were hyper restrictive of lockdowns. I was in my apartment for 73 days straight at one point. Anyways just wanted to clear that up. Amazing podcast and i'll be tuning in much more regularly!
Hi ,I want to upgrade my a6400, I am getting almost the same price for a7c and a6700 which one should I get
30:20 Sony is really good at re-using the same old sensor on consumer-grade bodies frequently over a long period of time.
RX100/RX10/ZV series: RX100 IV thru VII, ZV1/F/II, RX10III/IV (10 bodies over 8 years)
A6000/ZV-E series: A6000 thru A6600 (minus 6200), ZV-E10 (7 bodies over 8 years)