Great design makes you feel good! One of attractions of film photography are the amazing looking cameras. In between the DSLR era became very functional but now we are back to a lot of variety
I like retro , its just like smell , taste or sound , feel takes me back to a time when it was fun being a photographer , it was like a new experience and was like wow i like this medium
I love this Zf. The old camera aesthetic makes me want to shoot it. using small lenses use it old school, want to use bigger lenses add the grip it easy. Just watch how many pro photogs by one for their personal work. Leica exists for a reason, Fuji success with x bodies is for a reason. This camera will sell well and its all BS about people dismissing it because its retro. You get retro dials and the command dials use it both ways how good is that. It abodes so well for a Z7III & Z6III. I see The Zf and a Z7III in my future.
at @17:24 such a good take, it will be the gateway into grading for many people. Especially with the blackmagic camera app. Let's hope Sony goes the same path and starts offering external recording, log and all that, to give the android users the same opportunity.
Yes....if you grew up on older film cameras. I mess up my exposure sometimes because the push wheel dial on my camera is both aperture and exposure compensation ...and when trying to get the shot I can have it on the wrong setting. I'll take the separate mechanical controls I can memorize.
Been taking photos since 1962 and I find the overabundance of technology in digital sometimes requires taming. Starting with all automatic settings is not a copout but frees one to concentrate on vision before getting lost in all the possible manipulations of the equipment.
That extra psam dial is actually more intuitive than Fujifilm approach for full manual retro. I've seen people stupidly preaching want psam mode in x-t series to be faster. You can engage psam mode in fuji retei just by putting the dial in auto (e.g if you want P mode, put shutter speed and aperture to A, and M mode where all dials aren't in A, etc) Well people just want convenience so Nikon approach is probably better for those folks. One dial instant adjusment rather than 2-3 dials adjustment
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Great podcast, just wanted to let you know that the breathing noise (I think it was breathing noise) was quite distracting this time for some reason. Keep up the good work!
Could be something that just is similar to breathing sound. Not quite sure. But once I noticed it I could not unnotice it. Edit: re-listened and I think it comes from Jordan's mic. Example is at 1:05:57 . I haven't noticed it before.
Nostalgia, no. Says the man who uses a Minolta 135mm f/2.8 on an E-M10 Mark II. I need a collapsed monopod just to give me leverage to hold the thing up, and the Mark II actually has a vestigial handgrip.
31:31 - The retro look is simply there to signal that this is a more expensive camera. They are merely appealing to the status signaling crowd. Which is fine with me if it rakes in more money for the r&d department.
Because they are ugly, especially Canon. For someone who isn't pro, all modern cameras are more than enough technically, so the final choice is an aesthetical one.
Podcast moderator, improve fast, clearly confused about your role, untimely and forced laughters, interrupting with "what's USD to CAD conversion". Be humble, pose curious questions, get to be likeable by the audience.
I don't use any retro or retro-looking cameras. But I think for some reason people on the street are less intimidated by "retro" cameras than they are by something more contemporary-looking. It's not purely a matter of style but also a signifier of "artistic legitimacy" on the street to non-photogs (vs. a sign that you're being weird). Of course, whether a Zf or a 5D or a film camera, cameras are taking pictures either way!
Fair comment. My XE4 gets as many positive nods as my FX3 gets weird looks. The Fuji is just a silly little professor with tweed patches and a vinyl collection.
I'm in Asia now with my silver Fuji X100V and I've been asked by random people to take pictures of them. No money were demanded afterwards, so these episodes weren't scam attempts. Somehow, I doubt same thing would happen with Sony camera.
With my XT5 I have had people and even business ask to take pictures. I get a lot of comments about it being a film camera so it’s a conversation starter as wells
That's exactly my thoughts. People react totally differently to small retro cameras, even if these cameras are more modern than DSLRs in practice. I think it is a real advantage of those cameras - photography is a social activity. And the most wonderful experience was taking photos with a 4x5 Tachihara - almost everybody passing by smiled sincerely from the heart.
I think they lost allot of viewers by settings these guys aside... The podcast is also really cool because you get an inside into there video's and thoughts on more
I had a look at the first video and was greatly underwhelmed (and unsubscribed). Chris and Jordan are just their former self. And this podcast was actually much more interesting than I thought, so I might keep on listening/watching.
I echo Jordan's sentiment: We all should make our art on the medium we prefer without trashing another person's choices. In addition, something being "better" isn't always the main factor in an artists's decision. I shoot black and white film and print in a darkroom. While their is no question that digital has many advantage it is just not for me. I get a great sense of accomplishment from loading and processing my film, choosing my developer, and learning the science of how to get the negatives to come out how I want them. And then printing is such a connecting process...you are literally directing or blocking the light in the formation of the final image. It's that sense of connection, being able to make something from start to finish....that's why I choose film to make my art. But just becaues this is what I like does not make other's choices invalid. We are all image makers. And let's face it, the dominant forces in society do not value art so the last thing we should be doing as artists is tearing each other down. We need to support each other and lift each other up. :-)
The Nikon Zf could look like a Holga and i'd still be interested based off the specs. The fact that it's gorgeous means I've got my credit card on standby.
I would have said YES to retro design reflexively if I hadn't seen the GFX100II last week, now I want that. Neo Retro or whatever. Also, to be fair the curvy PSAM auto focusing SLR look from the 90s is also retro. 😂
To me retro design choice is such a simple question to answer. Yes. 1000x yes it matters for the same reason why we buy clothing in different styles and color. If you love your camera you're going to use it more than If you think it looks ugly. Simple as that regardless of ergonomics. We are a generation so hung up on specs even if perception wise the spec difference means nothing to the point we forget about mood and style. My younger photo friends are so desperately hung up on megapixels and getting sharp, shaper and even more most sharpist shot they can't even conceive as to why you would ever want to shoot a shot with grain. I took them to the nearest photo museum to show them why.
At 28:55 the point I was going to make.. is made. I often set or reset my Fuji X-T5 dials to taste before turning on the camera. I also find going "full manual" with the dials (prior to powering up) is a useful exercise to help pre-visualize the correct exposure settings even prior to metering the scene. Also, as an older photographer I'm already accustomed to dials on my film cameras and am becoming an even bigger fan of this approach on digital.
Many new to photography consider digital cams as having 1000+ different options you all have to consider, before even thinking of pressing the shutter, get frustrated and stay with Auto before the cam stays at home and is replaced with the smartphone. They don’t get what changing the metering mode does and think it has an impact on the pic. It makes sense to put the really important settings on dedicated dials that you can even control and see, if the camera is off. That’s not just hipster stuff or nostalgia. I love my Fuji.
I have to disagree a bit with Jordan about film camera ergonomics. A lot of older film cameras did have ergonomic issues (like removing the camera back to load film!), but by the dawn of the 1970s some companies began to address the problem. When I got an OM-1 in 1975, it was all about the ergonomics for me. It was small, light, the top panel had two controls…ASA and the on-off switch. The shutter speed dial encircled the lens mount and except for zooms, all the Zuiko lenses had the focusing ring to the rear and the aperture dial forward. By separating the shutter and aperture controls, it was harder to adjust the wrong one. Since I use my left hand to cradle the lens anyway, might as well have everything I need to access right there, without taking the camera away from my eye. My Canonet G3 rangefinder was similar, all controls accessible with my left hand. By comparison, the Olympus m43 cameras I use today have way too many buttons and most of them are clumsy to access without taking the camera from my eye. As he noted, I have no idea how anything is set until I power it on and carefully review the Super Control Panel. Just today, it balked at focusing until I realized I had turned on the autofocus limiter earlier in the day when shooting BIF. It’s only accessible in the menus, no way to assign it to a button.
The best part of the ZF is you don't have to look through menus or even bring up a quick menu, settings are just there. I attempted to jump to Canon after 40 years on Nikons and it did not go well. Glad they got great AF in a reasonably priced body.
The best part of the new Nikon design is the mode selector being a switch with defined positions. An infinitely rotating knob requires you to look at it every single time you make any change, or even if you havent looked at it in a while (because who knows it might have got knocked in your bag!)
I agree about the bare minimum film crew: AD, Sound, MUA, and DP/Cam-Op. I usually like having control of the camera when I direct but when I have an DP or cam-op, it really frees up directing the talent and you notice more of the minutia of the scene and their delivery
Hi! Nice podcast about retro design! I feel good design fulfills a part of customers who are also amused at the devices they use on top of taking photos. However, I got a question for you: What do you think of the decline of in-person camera stores in especially the United States? Camera stores are of course impacted by online platforms in the past years, but I think the US is seeing this in a more severe situation where we will only have one store in every metro...
No time to see the whole video, but so much for that - yes, it is ! I do always prefer dials, knobs & switches for direct access of features, -functions, instead of a deep menu dive to level 12, and the 8. sublevel for feature xy...that's insane. And i'd have loved, *if* Nikon would have had released the new Nikon Zf without a LCD display. Why? - because it does break the body design language! Think Leica M model 60, think Leica M10-D...and other Leicas, you'd get the point. Much cuter that way. Chimping on location is silly... 🙂
People who were on board with Final Cut going subscription on mobile are about to learn why paying subscription for creative products are worse than being hooked on hard drugs. The dealer can raise his prices any time, and because you are hooked you will bend over and take it. Think Apple won't do what Adobe constantly does? Lol.
The retro design with settings on the outside with dials is great. Like the old Landrover Discovery / Defender shapes, it appeals to the older eye. (79 years) Usually they are better to hold also.
The Zf body design (much like an M Leica) is purposeful, which in this modern age, has gone the way of the Dodo. Small, unobtrusive, and tactile controls and to be used with small lenses to take pictures where the user feels more in command. This does mean, in most cases, that you can reduce the need for grips, customizable function buttons all over the place, because it has a purpose. Too much anymore (and the Zf does suffer this) camera designers need to design something that does everything AND stills and video. The Zf could have gotten away with a nonarticulating back screen and no movie mode and tweaked the sensor even more for stills performance in my opinion, and I think that's where people start complaining about "retro design". That's where I think Leica still has it: if you want a rangefinder (prefocus before you turn on) that's small, discrete and you use it to document events and do candid work, it's hard to beat. Can you do that with the Z8? Sure, but you can also do wildlife with a RF...just not the designed purpose.
a tool that you enjoy will most likely be used more and enjoyed more. This appliest to aesthetics as well. Using something visually and palpatively pleasing will probably end in a better user experience, which in turn will effect the results positively :) however, what everyone finds beautiful and pleasing is subjective
The physical buttons with muscle memory is great. But I can't think of anything else. Would be nice to have option to turn on/off some lighting shine through the buttons and dials so it's easier to see in the dark.
Who's that uptight middle guy who's uncomfortable if Nikon does it but okay if Leica does it? And nostalgia is bad for culture!? Oh pseudo intellectual, you must know that there's only so many plots to write a story and art reuses old ideas all the time. Lame
I don’t believe it at first. But if the camera looks good, there’s an add on incentive to bring out to shoot. Like Fujifilm selling like hotcakes. Although I will argue that film simulations is the bigger plus to retro design. If you gonna shoot really sharp and clean pictures, you can just stick with the canons and Sonys.
retro looks can help you bring it to venues/events that normally would say no to a big mirrorless cam ;) can say its film-camera if its retro enough...
I appreciate Chris in every one of these episodes being the shining beacon of decency and hope to Jaron’s “devil’s advocate” opinions, which is really just trying to hide his negativity.
my take about the Zf and Z6III situation is that Nikon wants the Z6III to be more than what the Zf is. Rumours have been all over the internet about how the Z6III would have a more than 24MP sensor, and maybe Nikon is trying to make a sensor design that would match the A7IV''s 33MP sensor, but maybe it's taking longer than anticipated. The Zf was a way to tackle 3 problems at once : - most obvious was the Zfc users crying for a full frame version, that's exactly that on the outside. - Z6II owners really starting to feel the age of that camera looking at the competition and the lack of a new AF system - launch of a new platform with a way to see how the Expeed 7 would go with a slower sensor than the one we had in the Z9/8, and at a reduced cost : besides the engineering for the new compact body, most of the components (screen, EVF, sensor, processor) are coponents that Nikon already had on hand To me it's a stop gap measure to keep Nikon shooters happy while they wait for the Z6III to be ready. I don't think that the Z6III would have the exact same sensor as the Zf or Z6II.
37:00 I'd say this camera shape with its lack of a substantial grip is historically mean to be connected to a strap. If I could get one then that's probably how I'd often use it. Kinda how we look at a SNES controller (or N64 with it's single analog stick) compared to a PS5 one. They all can be nice depending on the game you play with it, but the PS5 controller is certainly more versatile and has been iterated on for a long time at this point. That said, I'd definitely prefer a SNES controller to a PS5 one for some games. Part of the reason the Df didn't appeal to me was they tried to fit digital era SLR technology into a retro package when it physically wasn't able. At least now they managed to take the idea and could leverage the short flange distance of Z.
hell yeah !!!!! if there is anyone bringing up OGs then it gotta be Olympus i wish panasonic did something nice to lx100 mark 3 or nev design 1inch as sony rx100 is no longer in production there is market for it for sure
Looks, handling, feel..manual controls.. they mean a ton to me! I'm an artist, and I want to enjoy my tools and the whole experience. Not everyone cares, but a bunch of people do. I shot Sony for a while... great tech, but it just felt sterile. Love nikon is trying, looks good, but other than look and feel, I want stabilization and resolution. Wish it was the new 60mp senor in that baby!
I don't understand how retro cameras grab all kind of design awards but then require at least two or three third-party accessories (grips, thumb rest, extra shutter buttons, etc) to be usable. It will be the end of x-t cameras if Fujifilm removes wheels since "everybody use" dials. Dials are idiotic atavism of designs around mechanical stuff and film, just like a gripless rounded form of Leica. The only reason to have it is "I like it this way", but there are no any practical benefits to it. I am not sure what cameras you folks use, I did not need to ever know my settings on camera that is off, partially because I don't need it to be off. And I shoot mirrorless for more than a decade, almost daily.
Some people just prefer to set things on dials rather than having to dig around in menus. Photography as a whole doesn't have many 'practical benefits', doesn't mean it's not worthwhile. Practicality isn't the only consideration.
Hi, QUESTION FOR THE PODCAST: I am a hobbyist that has recently enrolled on a Film and Television Masters degree to hopefully to my skills to another level, higher my thinking about film and hopefully it might lead to bigger things than just a hobby. When I got on the course I instantly bought a Sony ZV e10. A nice little camera but I think I might have been a bit too hasty. I hate going through menus to think about settings and the Nikon looks sexy and I can really relate to seeing the settings right in front of your eyes. I also love taking stills. Would you recommend the Nikon zf for someone in my position or would the Sony A7 iv be more suitable for the money. Being a Computer Science teacher I appreciate analogue even if it is pseudo analogue 😂 or can you recommend something better in that price range.
With Nikon leading the specs for Hybrid Cameras specially for video specs like internal raw and stuff. What’s your take on the idea that Nikon should put out a proper cinema camera ASAP? If they did so, what else should they bring on the table to make it even stand out for filmmakers?
The 150-400 Pro has been my favorite lens ever, and I've had it since the first shipment, and used it with an E-M1X before receiving an OM-1 in the first shipment. I have friends in high places. I'm glad OMDS is a sponsor!
For me it depends on where Retro starts. Using my Minolta SRT101 is fun but the design of my SonyA99 better and more ergonomic I'd say. But my Konica Minolta 7D has better layouts than any other camera I've used. A99 comes close and all the A7s fall way behind just in how they feel and work in the hand.
As a owner of the Z50 (and hobbyist photographer) and critic of Nikon for not having affordable mid-range and APSC cameras with similar AF to the Z8/Z9. The new ZF is great new affordable FF camera. Unfortunately for me Nikon still hasn't introduce an APSC camera with great AF (D500 replacement). Also the new ZF is a RETRO camera which I simply hate (I may be in the minority), but if Nikon would have introduce this camera in the Z6II body, I may have switch a FF camera. I think the new ZF features (except for the 24.5 megapixel; prefer maybe 33 megapixel) and specification are awesome, again the Retro body is just not for me.
I guess i could take a vintage looking camera to my friend's wedding, without having the pros working there get intimidated or something. ( it feels wrong when i think about bringing my big boy camera )
Not sure who asked this question but my Panasonic S5MIIX will show on both the EVF and the LCD screen at the same time if I have the display facing away from me. Hope whoever asked that question sees this.
Should I buy the Sony a6700, Fuji XT5, or Fuji XH2? I've owned the a6300 since 2018, and it's slowly showing its age. I am a hobbyist who mostly engages in product photography and video. Occasionally, I am asked to shoot corporate events, usually through recommendations. When it comes to image quality, I feel like all three cameras (four, considering there are two versions of the XH) can deliver very similar results. The biggest difference to me lies in video capabilities. Which of these cameras would allow me to do more in terms of color grading, aspect ratios, and slow-motion(preferably 120/4k -without sacrificing quality)? For over a year, I've been shooting film, and this is an argument that sways me toward Fuji. I am somewhat disappointed with Sony and the e-waste they are producing, especially with their ZV series of cameras.
I like being able to change the basic camera settings without having to go to a menu on an LCD screen. Especially in bright sun, when the LCD screen is washed out by the light. Also you may have notice that your EVF goes dark or even black if you are wearing sunglasses. With my XPro3, I simply switch to the OVF, and problem solved.
Love the podcast! But (especially) Jordan's breathing is *really* noticeable when other people talk. Might there be a way to improve on this? It's so bad that it's really impacting the podcast. (It's often just as loud as Chris' audio when he is talking (or louder!). Might be an issue with the gain levels? Maybe Jordan is using a condenser mic and that's particularly good at picking up those frequencies? Most other big podcasts also turn down the volume of people who aren't currently speaking. This is more work in editing of course... Maybe Jordan can just switch to a different mic or move further away when not talking? It's just super grading over time. And I really love that you guys are doing a podcast! Would love to be able to... listen to it without hating my ears.)
You should TOTALLY make a shirt with Chris with a camera and reel coming out of it with a fish saying "We are just catching fish!" sell the crap out of it.
For the person who wanted the selfie screen for his kids I would try a Ulanzi Urig r031. It’ a mirror that you can mount in your hotshoe that will show the rear screen to people in front of the camera while letting someone behind watch the flip out screen. It may not be perfect but it’s lightweight and costs about $20.
Jordan & Chris - Want to get away from any smoke for your next camera test road trip? Come out to the East Kootenay's. Kimberley's only a 4hr drive from the south end of Calgary, Cowboy trail best scenic drive, it'll be peak Larch season in October, AND clear skies for the past few weeks.
Microscope exercise for your family, Chris: turn off the bottom illumination, then look at table salt, kosher salt, Diamond Crystal salt, and sugar. Also interesting is "diatomaceous earth", but you'll probably have to order that (skeletons of single-cell sea creatures/plankton).
My point that I've always made is that calling them "retro" controls is a disservice to their value. Yes, the camera manufacturers are always tying these types of controls together with a body that harkens back to older film cameras, but that's because they're also doing it a disservice. The problem here is that once you label it "retro", you're evaluating that type of workflow on the basis of a comparison against the halcyon days of film and not examining it on its own merits. Now something that it brings to me personally may not be something that the likes of Chris or Jordan can appreciate because they are buried in their cameras every day hours per day as opposed to the typical owner who has it as a hobby and will break out their nice camera once in a while or on vacation or something. I previously had a micro-4/3 camera and while it was great and all, every time I brought it out, it would be weeks or months away from using it, so I'd keep forgetting how things were set up, how I'd customized things, where settings would be located in the menus, etc. It also means that I'll try adjusting something that I expect to work through the control dials and wonder why it isn't having the effect I was looking for and realize only later that I had to go in and change certain settings in the menus that sometimes aren't even available because "oh, wait, I can't adjust this setting in the menu pages because I'm in aperture priority mode." With manual controls and explicit dials for all the core exposure settings, I never have to worry about that. The one and only thing I have to worry about is the exposure triangle/bucket. And here's the important thing about that -- I'm having to think about something that is *universal* to photography. And while the exact effect might vary from camera to camera because of factors like sensor size or base ISO, the principle remains the same. I never have to worry about "Oh, I'm in custom mode C1... how did I set that up again?" or forgetting that I can't adjust this because I left it in shutter priority mode. The fact that I can adjust something just because I know the dial is "here" rather than having to keep an eye on the screen/viewfinder and looking off in the corners to make sure it reads what I expect is enormously powerful. As opposed to... "I didn't press the front control dial in the correct number of times, so I'm not controlling what I think I am." On top of that, I can hand it over to someone else and as long as they understand how the principle works, they can control it on first glance without ever having to know more about the camera or its menus or its display pages. The direct control interface also means that going manual doesn't feel like an out-of-place action. With a modal system, it is inherently structured to separate giving you more or less direct control from a default of just going full auto. With a direct control dial layout, it is inherently positioned to elicit the notion that direct user control is the primary approach by putting all the exposure controls right on hand. Granted, Fujifilm are the only ones who went "all-in" on this with the "A" setting on each dial and aperture ring on every lens, whereas Nikon went halfway by keeping the PASM dial on the Zf and Zfc, which has the unfortunate side effect that depending on the mode you're in, certain control dials will be nonfunctional. Presumably, this is because they didn't want to have to modify the menu system and displays to account for the fact that they didn't have a modal switch. It's better than nothing, but it's a corruption of what is otherwise an objectively superior control method. And I do not use "objectively" just for emphasis in that context. The reason I say so is because it is a control methodology built expressly around something that is an objective "fact" of photography -- i.e., the exposure bucket/triangle, rather than something that is intrinsically software. The entirety of the argument for a PASM dial is simply the fact that it is common. It is "universal" only in the sense that every manufacturer does it. It is not at all "universal" unto the realities of how light works or how it affects your photography/videography. Jordan alluded to how the user experience on old film cameras was deplorable. He's not wrong, but it leaves out that this is still true of modern cameras. Why do you think people will revert to their cell phones as a default? It's not because the iPhone or Galaxy or Pixel phones have gotten so great... this idea of the cell phone as the better option even when a "real" camera is otherwise on hand is not new nor is it confined to people who own flagship phones. It is simply a reflection of the fact that there is no "good" UI or UX in any "pro" or "prosumer" camera. What you might call a "good UX" is actually just one that is less egregiously horrible than others. Not one serious camera on this Earth exists that has a user experience that is "good" in an absolute sense. They are all awful, and some are merely more or less awful. The only time we ever had an adequately good UX in a high-end camera was Samsung with the NX series, and that died a gruesome death. The less I have to worry about menus or changing settings or manipulating customizations the better. Explicit control dials for everything exposure related means I will never have to worry about menus or reading displays or anything for 95% of changes or adjustments I will apply at any given moment.
Good luck to the guys doing that Abode product without subscription. If it ends up happening, maybe it’ll force an end to corporate greed in this instance at least. I find corporations who can absorb increased costs (if there even are any for Adobe) increasing prices on regular people, some of whom are undoubtedly struggling, with no increase in wages to match inflation particularly disgusting. But most people seem to just shrug it off like we don’t have any alternatives to capitalism. That’s what happens after many decades of brainwashing from neoliberal politicians and the corporate media. Even even the non corporate media. In the UK, the BBC are just as corporate friendly and anti-worker as the news channels with corporate sponsors.
Aren't most Leica camera's (if not in the SL range) "Retro Design"?. No-one mentions retro when talking about Leica.That is reserved for Fujifilm and some Nikon cameras :)
Hello! There is something that has been bothering me for some time and maybe you have the solution. For the context I'm shooting a Nikon D750 so maybe another brand or more modern camera do it. Ok, to the point: often we are trying to expose to the right trying to not burn the highlights. However I haven't find a global metering mode (I guess you could use spot metering otherwise) that allows to do that. Am I crazy to wan't to have a metering mode that will select the brightest exposure while not burning the higlights even if it means having dark shadows? Thanks for your help!
Trim out ALL of the bells and whistles- if you're going to go "retro" No AF,Video no nothing... all you need are knobs and dials and some knowhow to make a good photo.
I wouldn't hold your breath on the simultaneous EVF and screen- battery life would probably go in the dumper, and my guess is the body will overheat real quick. Just a guess.
The only advantage is marketing, They seek to find a few old facts who owned vintage SLR's and like to remember them like high school sweethearts. They may buy it and forever justify the purchase touting it's real or imagined virtues.
When does Apple bring out a quality digial full frame camera? Or is it trying to target Camera users to use their iPhones instead?? BTW Adobe is Greedy Globalist B Stards!
Anything that keeps people buying and using real cameras rather than their phones is a plus in my book.
Great design makes you feel good! One of attractions of film photography are the amazing looking cameras. In between the DSLR era became very functional but now we are back to a lot of variety
I like retro , its just like smell , taste or sound , feel takes me back to a time when it was fun being a photographer , it was like a new experience and was like wow i like this medium
Outstanding! It’s not a good Wednesday until a Petal Pixel podcast.
I love this Zf. The old camera aesthetic makes me want to shoot it. using small lenses use it old school, want to use bigger lenses add the grip it easy. Just watch how many pro photogs by one for their personal work. Leica exists for a reason, Fuji success with x bodies is for a reason. This camera will sell well and its all BS about people dismissing it because its retro. You get retro dials and the command dials use it both ways how good is that. It abodes so well for a Z7III & Z6III. I see The Zf and a Z7III in my future.
The content is great (as always), but you guys just knock it out of the park on presentation. Thank you for making the visuals not suck.
Jarren going hard on nostalgia while wearing a teeshirt covered in retro playstation characters
at @17:24 such a good take, it will be the gateway into grading for many people. Especially with the blackmagic camera app. Let's hope Sony goes the same path and starts offering external recording, log and all that, to give the android users the same opportunity.
Yes....if you grew up on older film cameras. I mess up my exposure sometimes because the push wheel dial on my camera is both aperture and exposure compensation ...and when trying to get the shot I can have it on the wrong setting. I'll take the separate mechanical controls I can memorize.
Been taking photos since 1962 and I find the overabundance of technology in digital sometimes requires taming. Starting with all automatic settings is not a copout but frees one to concentrate on vision before getting lost in all the possible manipulations of the equipment.
Business is all about pleasing the companies' Overlords, the Stockholders and Board of Directors.
That extra psam dial is actually more intuitive than Fujifilm approach for full manual retro. I've seen people stupidly preaching want psam mode in x-t series to be faster. You can engage psam mode in fuji retei just by putting the dial in auto (e.g if you want P mode, put shutter speed and aperture to A, and M mode where all dials aren't in A, etc)
Well people just want convenience so Nikon approach is probably better for those folks. One dial instant adjusment rather than 2-3 dials adjustment
Great podcast, just wanted to let you know that the breathing noise (I think it was breathing noise) was quite distracting this time for some reason. Keep up the good work!
What breathing noise?
Could be something that just is similar to breathing sound. Not quite sure. But once I noticed it I could not unnotice it.
Edit: re-listened and I think it comes from Jordan's mic. Example is at 1:05:57 .
I haven't noticed it before.
@I can't hear it.
@Several breathing noises around the 1:00 mark too. Definitely distracting.
That was me, I got too close to the mic. I’ll reign it in next week.
- Jordan
Nostalgia, no. Says the man who uses a Minolta 135mm f/2.8 on an E-M10 Mark II. I need a collapsed monopod just to give me leverage to hold the thing up, and the Mark II actually has a vestigial handgrip.
What microscope did you get?
Pentax should do a MX digital ... like Nikon retro camera.
They should! I've been saying it for years, but unlike Nikon, Pentax won't do it. They should do a KD-1000 at least.
A =weather sealed= retro Pentax DSLR? ... That sounds nice.
Buying the ZF aswell... godamnit. I already have L mount alliance.
Thanks Guys. What is the Jack Russel do called? Please.
I love and prefer retro cameras.
31:31 - The retro look is simply there to signal that this is a more expensive camera. They are merely appealing to the status signaling crowd. Which is fine with me if it rakes in more money for the r&d department.
Lens aside,why would anyone get a ZF over A7C2 or R6II?
Because they are ugly, especially Canon. For someone who isn't pro, all modern cameras are more than enough technically, so the final choice is an aesthetical one.
Hey guys I know the channel is 5 months old now, but maybe you can start calling your community Petaphiles, sounds cool right?
200MP and look like Pentax MX...
Hi Peta pixel where is the R7 vs xs20
We had to push it back with the deluge of new product launches. Hoping to tackle it in the fall!
- Jordan
There is an unsubscription app. its constantly advertisied
of course there is!
Hi daer jordan
Adobe printing money
Podcast moderator, improve fast, clearly confused about your role, untimely and forced laughters, interrupting with "what's USD to CAD conversion". Be humble, pose curious questions, get to be likeable by the audience.
I don't use any retro or retro-looking cameras. But I think for some reason people on the street are less intimidated by "retro" cameras than they are by something more contemporary-looking. It's not purely a matter of style but also a signifier of "artistic legitimacy" on the street to non-photogs (vs. a sign that you're being weird). Of course, whether a Zf or a 5D or a film camera, cameras are taking pictures either way!
Fair comment. My XE4 gets as many positive nods as my FX3 gets weird looks. The Fuji is just a silly little professor with tweed patches and a vinyl collection.
I'm in Asia now with my silver Fuji X100V and I've been asked by random people to take pictures of them. No money were demanded afterwards, so these episodes weren't scam attempts.
Somehow, I doubt same thing would happen with Sony camera.
With my XT5 I have had people and even business ask to take pictures. I get a lot of comments about it being a film camera so it’s a conversation starter as wells
When I take out my film TLR medium format camera people ASK me to take their picture lol
So yea you make a great point
That's exactly my thoughts. People react totally differently to small retro cameras, even if these cameras are more modern than DSLRs in practice. I think it is a real advantage of those cameras - photography is a social activity.
And the most wonderful experience was taking photos with a 4x5 Tachihara - almost everybody passing by smiled sincerely from the heart.
DP Review is back making videos. But that's okay because Peta Pixel has really come into its own, including this wonderful podcast.
I think they lost allot of viewers by settings these guys aside... The podcast is also really cool because you get an inside into there video's and thoughts on more
I had a look at the first video and was greatly underwhelmed (and unsubscribed). Chris and Jordan are just their former self. And this podcast was actually much more interesting than I thought, so I might keep on listening/watching.
PP all the way!
I echo Jordan's sentiment: We all should make our art on the medium we prefer without trashing another person's choices. In addition, something being "better" isn't always the main factor in an artists's decision. I shoot black and white film and print in a darkroom. While their is no question that digital has many advantage it is just not for me.
I get a great sense of accomplishment from loading and processing my film, choosing my developer, and learning the science of how to get the negatives to come out how I want them. And then printing is such a connecting process...you are literally directing or blocking the light in the formation of the final image. It's that sense of connection, being able to make something from start to finish....that's why I choose film to make my art. But just becaues this is what I like does not make other's choices invalid. We are all image makers. And let's face it, the dominant forces in society do not value art so the last thing we should be doing as artists is tearing each other down. We need to support each other and lift each other up. :-)
Yes, it’s called sales.
"Our job is to make aesthetically pleasing things." - fantastic point, Jordan!
The Nikon Zf could look like a Holga and i'd still be interested based off the specs. The fact that it's gorgeous means I've got my credit card on standby.
for $2k it is a potent camera no matter what. z6iii is gonna be a killer if its the same price
I would have said YES to retro design reflexively if I hadn't seen the GFX100II last week, now I want that. Neo Retro or whatever. Also, to be fair the curvy PSAM auto focusing SLR look from the 90s is also retro. 😂
To me retro design choice is such a simple question to answer. Yes. 1000x yes it matters for the same reason why we buy clothing in different styles and color. If you love your camera you're going to use it more than If you think it looks ugly. Simple as that regardless of ergonomics. We are a generation so hung up on specs even if perception wise the spec difference means nothing to the point we forget about mood and style. My younger photo friends are so desperately hung up on megapixels and getting sharp, shaper and even more most sharpist shot they can't even conceive as to why you would ever want to shoot a shot with grain. I took them to the nearest photo museum to show them why.
At 28:55 the point I was going to make.. is made. I often set or reset my Fuji X-T5 dials to taste before turning on the camera. I also find going "full manual" with the dials (prior to powering up) is a useful exercise to help pre-visualize the correct exposure settings even prior to metering the scene. Also, as an older photographer I'm already accustomed to dials on my film cameras and am becoming an even bigger fan of this approach on digital.
You guys keep pumping out content. I'm really happy your workflow is going well.
Many new to photography consider digital cams as having 1000+ different options you all have to consider, before even thinking of pressing the shutter, get frustrated and stay with Auto before the cam stays at home and is replaced with the smartphone.
They don’t get what changing the metering mode does and think it has an impact on the pic. It makes sense to put the really important settings on dedicated dials that you can even control and see, if the camera is off.
That’s not just hipster stuff or nostalgia. I love my Fuji.
Is that a coffee machine or a microscope over there?
I have to disagree a bit with Jordan about film camera ergonomics. A lot of older film cameras did have ergonomic issues (like removing the camera back to load film!), but by the dawn of the 1970s some companies began to address the problem. When I got an OM-1 in 1975, it was all about the ergonomics for me. It was small, light, the top panel had two controls…ASA and the on-off switch. The shutter speed dial encircled the lens mount and except for zooms, all the Zuiko lenses had the focusing ring to the rear and the aperture dial forward. By separating the shutter and aperture controls, it was harder to adjust the wrong one. Since I use my left hand to cradle the lens anyway, might as well have everything I need to access right there, without taking the camera away from my eye. My Canonet G3 rangefinder was similar, all controls accessible with my left hand. By comparison, the Olympus m43 cameras I use today have way too many buttons and most of them are clumsy to access without taking the camera from my eye. As he noted, I have no idea how anything is set until I power it on and carefully review the Super Control Panel. Just today, it balked at focusing until I realized I had turned on the autofocus limiter earlier in the day when shooting BIF. It’s only accessible in the menus, no way to assign it to a button.
The best part of the ZF is you don't have to look through menus or even bring up a quick menu, settings are just there. I attempted to jump to Canon after 40 years on Nikons and it did not go well. Glad they got great AF in a reasonably priced body.
The best part of the new Nikon design is the mode selector being a switch with defined positions. An infinitely rotating knob requires you to look at it every single time you make any change, or even if you havent looked at it in a while (because who knows it might have got knocked in your bag!)
Oh sad.. I see the mode in LCD.
I agree! It’s a very tactile way to switch modes. I wish they would have made it a custom mode position though instead of AUTOscene.
I agree about the bare minimum film crew: AD, Sound, MUA, and DP/Cam-Op. I usually like having control of the camera when I direct but when I have an DP or cam-op, it really frees up directing the talent and you notice more of the minutia of the scene and their delivery
Hi! Nice podcast about retro design! I feel good design fulfills a part of customers who are also amused at the devices they use on top of taking photos.
However, I got a question for you: What do you think of the decline of in-person camera stores in especially the United States? Camera stores are of course impacted by online platforms in the past years, but I think the US is seeing this in a more severe situation where we will only have one store in every metro...
Retro looks? Yes! ... A lot of us think that "changing the UI" should be punishable by public hangings and floggings (Google, we are looking at you!)
No time to see the whole video, but so much for that - yes, it is ! I do always prefer dials, knobs & switches for direct access of features, -functions, instead of a deep menu dive to level 12, and the 8. sublevel for feature xy...that's insane. And i'd have loved, *if* Nikon would have had released the new Nikon Zf without a LCD display. Why? - because it does break the body design language! Think Leica M model 60, think Leica M10-D...and other Leicas, you'd get the point. Much cuter that way. Chimping on location is silly... 🙂
People who were on board with Final Cut going subscription on mobile are about to learn why paying subscription for creative products are worse than being hooked on hard drugs.
The dealer can raise his prices any time, and because you are hooked you will bend over and take it. Think Apple won't do what Adobe constantly does? Lol.
The retro design with settings on the outside with dials is great. Like the old Landrover Discovery / Defender shapes, it appeals to the older eye. (79 years) Usually they are better to hold also.
The Zf body design (much like an M Leica) is purposeful, which in this modern age, has gone the way of the Dodo. Small, unobtrusive, and tactile controls and to be used with small lenses to take pictures where the user feels more in command. This does mean, in most cases, that you can reduce the need for grips, customizable function buttons all over the place, because it has a purpose. Too much anymore (and the Zf does suffer this) camera designers need to design something that does everything AND stills and video. The Zf could have gotten away with a nonarticulating back screen and no movie mode and tweaked the sensor even more for stills performance in my opinion, and I think that's where people start complaining about "retro design". That's where I think Leica still has it: if you want a rangefinder (prefocus before you turn on) that's small, discrete and you use it to document events and do candid work, it's hard to beat. Can you do that with the Z8? Sure, but you can also do wildlife with a RF...just not the designed purpose.
hopefully for Chris Nikon Comes in the near future with a Zfc Mark two or ii with expeed 7 IBIS BSI 33MP sensor and please two SD cards !
a tool that you enjoy will most likely be used more and enjoyed more. This appliest to aesthetics as well. Using something visually and palpatively pleasing will probably end in a better user experience, which in turn will effect the results positively :) however, what everyone finds beautiful and pleasing is subjective
The physical buttons with muscle memory is great. But I can't think of anything else. Would be nice to have option to turn on/off some lighting shine through the buttons and dials so it's easier to see in the dark.
Who's that uptight middle guy who's uncomfortable if Nikon does it but okay if Leica does it? And nostalgia is bad for culture!? Oh pseudo intellectual, you must know that there's only so many plots to write a story and art reuses old ideas all the time. Lame
I don’t believe it at first. But if the camera looks good, there’s an add on incentive to bring out to shoot. Like Fujifilm selling like hotcakes. Although I will argue that film simulations is the bigger plus to retro design. If you gonna shoot really sharp and clean pictures, you can just stick with the canons and Sonys.
Yeah, Adobe and Apple's project planning is how much higher they price the rebadged existing products in order to meet the next revenue/profit target.
Remember guys, it's always morally correct to sail sees with Abode bs subscription stuff.
No. It's for luring old folks into buying.
Adobe wise, I specifically use other software solutions because I dislike their subscription model and high prices. DxO and Davinci Resolve 🤘
retro looks can help you bring it to venues/events that normally would say no to a big mirrorless cam ;) can say its film-camera if its retro enough...
For those wandering how Chris looks carrying the sigma 300-800 around the camera store video is named "Fuji HS20 Vs. DSLR Shootout". 😎😎
My biggest bugbear with this podcast is that I have to wait a whole week for the next one. J and C have finally found their home with Jaron and PP. 🎉
I remember and used film and may go back to using film in My retirement...
I appreciate Chris in every one of these episodes being the shining beacon of decency and hope to Jaron’s “devil’s advocate” opinions, which is really just trying to hide his negativity.
what does jordan use in replacement of adobe programs?
Capture One and Final Cut Pro.
- Jordan
my take about the Zf and Z6III situation is that Nikon wants the Z6III to be more than what the Zf is. Rumours have been all over the internet about how the Z6III would have a more than 24MP sensor, and maybe Nikon is trying to make a sensor design that would match the A7IV''s 33MP sensor, but maybe it's taking longer than anticipated.
The Zf was a way to tackle 3 problems at once :
- most obvious was the Zfc users crying for a full frame version, that's exactly that on the outside.
- Z6II owners really starting to feel the age of that camera looking at the competition and the lack of a new AF system
- launch of a new platform with a way to see how the Expeed 7 would go with a slower sensor than the one we had in the Z9/8, and at a reduced cost : besides the engineering for the new compact body, most of the components (screen, EVF, sensor, processor) are coponents that Nikon already had on hand
To me it's a stop gap measure to keep Nikon shooters happy while they wait for the Z6III to be ready. I don't think that the Z6III would have the exact same sensor as the Zf or Z6II.
37:00 I'd say this camera shape with its lack of a substantial grip is historically mean to be connected to a strap. If I could get one then that's probably how I'd often use it.
Kinda how we look at a SNES controller (or N64 with it's single analog stick) compared to a PS5 one. They all can be nice depending on the game you play with it, but the PS5 controller is certainly more versatile and has been iterated on for a long time at this point. That said, I'd definitely prefer a SNES controller to a PS5 one for some games.
Part of the reason the Df didn't appeal to me was they tried to fit digital era SLR technology into a retro package when it physically wasn't able. At least now they managed to take the idea and could leverage the short flange distance of Z.
hell yeah !!!!! if there is anyone bringing up OGs then it gotta be Olympus i wish panasonic did something nice to lx100 mark 3 or nev design 1inch as sony rx100 is no longer in production there is market for it for sure
Looks, handling, feel..manual controls.. they mean a ton to me! I'm an artist, and I want to enjoy my tools and the whole experience. Not everyone cares, but a bunch of people do. I shot Sony for a while... great tech, but it just felt sterile. Love nikon is trying, looks good, but other than look and feel, I want stabilization and resolution. Wish it was the new 60mp senor in that baby!
I don't understand how retro cameras grab all kind of design awards but then require at least two or three third-party accessories (grips, thumb rest, extra shutter buttons, etc) to be usable. It will be the end of x-t cameras if Fujifilm removes wheels since "everybody use" dials. Dials are idiotic atavism of designs around mechanical stuff and film, just like a gripless rounded form of Leica. The only reason to have it is "I like it this way", but there are no any practical benefits to it. I am not sure what cameras you folks use, I did not need to ever know my settings on camera that is off, partially because I don't need it to be off. And I shoot mirrorless for more than a decade, almost daily.
Oleg, calm down and take a breath buddy. Let people enjoy things. Shhhh.
@@POVwithRC I shoot two-eyed no-batteries cameras for fun. What do I know about ergonomics or dials, right? :)
Some people just prefer to set things on dials rather than having to dig around in menus.
Photography as a whole doesn't have many 'practical benefits', doesn't mean it's not worthwhile. Practicality isn't the only consideration.
@@jeejbeej maybe try to use wheels once? :) I shoot manual exposure on all cameras and never had to dig into menu for exposure.
Hi, QUESTION FOR THE PODCAST: I am a hobbyist that has recently enrolled on a Film and Television Masters degree to hopefully to my skills to another level, higher my thinking about film and hopefully it might lead to bigger things than just a hobby. When I got on the course I instantly bought a Sony ZV e10. A nice little camera but I think I might have been a bit too hasty. I hate going through menus to think about settings and the Nikon looks sexy and I can really relate to seeing the settings right in front of your eyes. I also love taking stills. Would you recommend the Nikon zf for someone in my position or would the Sony A7 iv be more suitable for the money. Being a Computer Science teacher I appreciate analogue even if it is pseudo analogue 😂 or can you recommend something better in that price range.
With Nikon leading the specs for Hybrid Cameras specially for video specs like internal raw and stuff. What’s your take on the idea that Nikon should put out a proper cinema camera ASAP? If they did so, what else should they bring on the table to make it even stand out for filmmakers?
The 150-400 Pro has been my favorite lens ever, and I've had it since the first shipment, and used it with an E-M1X before receiving an OM-1 in the first shipment. I have friends in high places. I'm glad OMDS is a sponsor!
For me it depends on where Retro starts. Using my Minolta SRT101 is fun but the design of my SonyA99 better and more ergonomic I'd say. But my Konica Minolta 7D has better layouts than any other camera I've used. A99 comes close and all the A7s fall way behind just in how they feel and work in the hand.
A retro camera design I appreciate is the GR III, simple pocket camera design, nothing fancy, very functional
Its not retro
As a owner of the Z50 (and hobbyist photographer) and critic of Nikon for not having affordable mid-range and APSC cameras with similar AF to the Z8/Z9. The new ZF is great new affordable FF camera. Unfortunately for me Nikon still hasn't introduce an APSC camera with great AF (D500 replacement). Also the new ZF is a RETRO camera which I simply hate (I may be in the minority), but if Nikon would have introduce this camera in the Z6II body, I may have switch a FF camera. I think the new ZF features (except for the 24.5 megapixel; prefer maybe 33 megapixel) and specification are awesome, again the Retro body is just not for me.
I guess i could take a vintage looking camera to my friend's wedding, without having the pros working there get intimidated or something. ( it feels wrong when i think about bringing my big boy camera )
Not sure who asked this question but my Panasonic S5MIIX will show on both the EVF and the LCD screen at the same time if I have the display facing away from me. Hope whoever asked that question sees this.
Should I buy the Sony a6700, Fuji XT5, or Fuji XH2? I've owned the a6300 since 2018, and it's slowly showing its age. I am a hobbyist who mostly engages in product photography and video. Occasionally, I am asked to shoot corporate events, usually through recommendations.
When it comes to image quality, I feel like all three cameras (four, considering there are two versions of the XH) can deliver very similar results. The biggest difference to me lies in video capabilities. Which of these cameras would allow me to do more in terms of color grading, aspect ratios, and slow-motion(preferably 120/4k -without sacrificing quality)?
For over a year, I've been shooting film, and this is an argument that sways me toward Fuji. I am somewhat disappointed with Sony and the e-waste they are producing, especially with their ZV series of cameras.
Great point on the bamboo rod. Another like for the fly fishing reference! You guys are doing a great job on the show.
Yes, in public area I'll feel embarrassed to carry a professional camera, but won't if it's a fun camera , like retro styled
I like being able to change the basic camera settings without having to go to a menu on an LCD screen. Especially in bright sun, when the LCD screen is washed out by the light. Also you may have notice that your EVF goes dark or even black if you are wearing sunglasses. With my XPro3, I simply switch to the OVF, and problem solved.
Love the podcast! But (especially) Jordan's breathing is *really* noticeable when other people talk. Might there be a way to improve on this? It's so bad that it's really impacting the podcast.
(It's often just as loud as Chris' audio when he is talking (or louder!). Might be an issue with the gain levels? Maybe Jordan is using a condenser mic and that's particularly good at picking up those frequencies? Most other big podcasts also turn down the volume of people who aren't currently speaking. This is more work in editing of course... Maybe Jordan can just switch to a different mic or move further away when not talking? It's just super grading over time. And I really love that you guys are doing a podcast! Would love to be able to... listen to it without hating my ears.)
You should TOTALLY make a shirt with Chris with a camera and reel coming out of it with a fish saying "We are just catching fish!" sell the crap out of it.
I actually don't like the retro silver SLR look.. looks cheap to me. Inauthentic.. or is it unauthentic? Either way..
For the person who wanted the selfie screen for his kids I would try a Ulanzi Urig r031. It’ a mirror that you can mount in your hotshoe that will show the rear screen to people in front of the camera while letting someone behind watch the flip out screen. It may not be perfect but it’s lightweight and costs about $20.
(Nikon Zf) Canon and Sony don't do retro, and Fujifilm doesn't do FF, so it's a good niche for Nikon to exploit.
Jordan & Chris - Want to get away from any smoke for your next camera test road trip? Come out to the East Kootenay's. Kimberley's only a 4hr drive from the south end of Calgary, Cowboy trail best scenic drive, it'll be peak Larch season in October, AND clear skies for the past few weeks.
Microscope exercise for your family, Chris: turn off the bottom illumination, then look at table salt, kosher salt, Diamond Crystal salt, and sugar. Also interesting is "diatomaceous earth", but you'll probably have to order that (skeletons of single-cell sea creatures/plankton).
My point that I've always made is that calling them "retro" controls is a disservice to their value. Yes, the camera manufacturers are always tying these types of controls together with a body that harkens back to older film cameras, but that's because they're also doing it a disservice. The problem here is that once you label it "retro", you're evaluating that type of workflow on the basis of a comparison against the halcyon days of film and not examining it on its own merits.
Now something that it brings to me personally may not be something that the likes of Chris or Jordan can appreciate because they are buried in their cameras every day hours per day as opposed to the typical owner who has it as a hobby and will break out their nice camera once in a while or on vacation or something. I previously had a micro-4/3 camera and while it was great and all, every time I brought it out, it would be weeks or months away from using it, so I'd keep forgetting how things were set up, how I'd customized things, where settings would be located in the menus, etc. It also means that I'll try adjusting something that I expect to work through the control dials and wonder why it isn't having the effect I was looking for and realize only later that I had to go in and change certain settings in the menus that sometimes aren't even available because "oh, wait, I can't adjust this setting in the menu pages because I'm in aperture priority mode."
With manual controls and explicit dials for all the core exposure settings, I never have to worry about that. The one and only thing I have to worry about is the exposure triangle/bucket. And here's the important thing about that -- I'm having to think about something that is *universal* to photography. And while the exact effect might vary from camera to camera because of factors like sensor size or base ISO, the principle remains the same. I never have to worry about "Oh, I'm in custom mode C1... how did I set that up again?" or forgetting that I can't adjust this because I left it in shutter priority mode. The fact that I can adjust something just because I know the dial is "here" rather than having to keep an eye on the screen/viewfinder and looking off in the corners to make sure it reads what I expect is enormously powerful. As opposed to... "I didn't press the front control dial in the correct number of times, so I'm not controlling what I think I am." On top of that, I can hand it over to someone else and as long as they understand how the principle works, they can control it on first glance without ever having to know more about the camera or its menus or its display pages.
The direct control interface also means that going manual doesn't feel like an out-of-place action. With a modal system, it is inherently structured to separate giving you more or less direct control from a default of just going full auto. With a direct control dial layout, it is inherently positioned to elicit the notion that direct user control is the primary approach by putting all the exposure controls right on hand. Granted, Fujifilm are the only ones who went "all-in" on this with the "A" setting on each dial and aperture ring on every lens, whereas Nikon went halfway by keeping the PASM dial on the Zf and Zfc, which has the unfortunate side effect that depending on the mode you're in, certain control dials will be nonfunctional. Presumably, this is because they didn't want to have to modify the menu system and displays to account for the fact that they didn't have a modal switch. It's better than nothing, but it's a corruption of what is otherwise an objectively superior control method. And I do not use "objectively" just for emphasis in that context. The reason I say so is because it is a control methodology built expressly around something that is an objective "fact" of photography -- i.e., the exposure bucket/triangle, rather than something that is intrinsically software. The entirety of the argument for a PASM dial is simply the fact that it is common. It is "universal" only in the sense that every manufacturer does it. It is not at all "universal" unto the realities of how light works or how it affects your photography/videography.
Jordan alluded to how the user experience on old film cameras was deplorable. He's not wrong, but it leaves out that this is still true of modern cameras. Why do you think people will revert to their cell phones as a default? It's not because the iPhone or Galaxy or Pixel phones have gotten so great... this idea of the cell phone as the better option even when a "real" camera is otherwise on hand is not new nor is it confined to people who own flagship phones. It is simply a reflection of the fact that there is no "good" UI or UX in any "pro" or "prosumer" camera. What you might call a "good UX" is actually just one that is less egregiously horrible than others. Not one serious camera on this Earth exists that has a user experience that is "good" in an absolute sense. They are all awful, and some are merely more or less awful. The only time we ever had an adequately good UX in a high-end camera was Samsung with the NX series, and that died a gruesome death. The less I have to worry about menus or changing settings or manipulating customizations the better. Explicit control dials for everything exposure related means I will never have to worry about menus or reading displays or anything for 95% of changes or adjustments I will apply at any given moment.
Good luck to the guys doing that Abode product without subscription. If it ends up happening, maybe it’ll force an end to corporate greed in this instance at least. I find corporations who can absorb increased costs (if there even are any for Adobe) increasing prices on regular people, some of whom are undoubtedly struggling, with no increase in wages to match inflation particularly disgusting. But most people seem to just shrug it off like we don’t have any alternatives to capitalism. That’s what happens after many decades of brainwashing from neoliberal politicians and the corporate media. Even even the non corporate media. In the UK, the BBC are just as corporate friendly and anti-worker as the news channels with corporate sponsors.
Aren't most Leica camera's (if not in the SL range) "Retro Design"?. No-one mentions retro when talking about Leica.That is reserved for Fujifilm and some Nikon cameras :)
Hello! There is something that has been bothering me for some time and maybe you have the solution. For the context I'm shooting a Nikon D750 so maybe another brand or more modern camera do it. Ok, to the point: often we are trying to expose to the right trying to not burn the highlights. However I haven't find a global metering mode (I guess you could use spot metering otherwise) that allows to do that. Am I crazy to wan't to have a metering mode that will select the brightest exposure while not burning the higlights even if it means having dark shadows? Thanks for your help!
Chris, people went to the public library to play Runescape. Get it right, Chris!! 🤪
Trim out ALL of the bells and whistles- if you're going to go "retro" No AF,Video no nothing... all you need are knobs and dials and some knowhow to make a good photo.
I wouldn't hold your breath on the simultaneous EVF and screen- battery life would probably go in the dumper, and my guess is the body will overheat real quick. Just a guess.
Guys, what woudl your camera of choice for street photography from m3/4 lineup. I have om-1 (and love it) but its quite intimidating on street
The only advantage is marketing, They seek to find a few old facts who owned vintage SLR's and like to remember them like high school sweethearts. They may buy it and forever justify the purchase touting it's real or imagined virtues.
When does Apple bring out a quality digial full frame camera? Or is it trying to target Camera users to use their iPhones instead?? BTW Adobe is Greedy Globalist B Stards!