Fuji X-S20 vs. OM-1: What did I WIN and what did I LOSE when I made the move?
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- What did I gain and what didi I lose when I made my move from OM-1 to Fuji X-S20?
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Peter, thank-you so much. As a former Fuji user, I sympathize with the value offered by Fuji. I actually switched to M4/3 for the size and quality. While you can certainly find comparable sized lenses, the facts are that if you carry an entire system - wide angle, small, medium, long telephoto, macro, portrait lens - the fuji system is almost twice the weight and size of the M4/3 comparable system. Cost is also higher. Finally, the X-Trans sensor is simply not my favorite. Enjoy the Fuji... it is a fun camera system... just a bit too big as a system. In fact, the comparable Sony system is even smaller/lighter than the Fuji!
Peter, my apologies. I just did a little fact checking on myself. What you see above is my subjective perspective. When doing a real comparison of a complete kit (camera, 7-14, 100-400, 12-40, 17, 25, 60, 40-150 M4/3 lenses and equivalents), the Fuji System vs OM: Weight: 5,8Kg vs 4.5Kg; Volume: 6,200cc vs 4,600cc. So objectively, the OM is ~75% of the weight and volume of the Fuji system.
@@rudigerwolf9626I agree with you. But we need to understand Peter needs. He uses the system for different purposes and Fuji (or Sony) are very compelling alternatives.
@@TITAOSTEINcompletely agree. Camera systems are tools. I use the OM for wildlife, macro and keep rest of kit to be complete. Have other system for nature, landscape, portraits. I’ve always hoped a RUclipsr would create a series of videos based on use cases. The notion that one camera is “better” than another has to be put into context: “better” for what? And not just genre. Weight, size, cost, image quality, features, lens system, shooting window, bit depth, ergonomics, haptics, etc all have trade-offs for specific needs. Repeat for video. Honestly, find a system that works and is fun. Then stick with it and really learn what it can do. Most importantly, have fun and practice.
@@rudigerwolf9626 Totally agree. I shoot Sony full frame for landscape and general use, Sony crop for travel/light kit, and Om-1 for birding and wildlife.
Certainly substituting Olympus lenses with other lenses from Fuji _can_ result in a smaller "system". However, at equivalent focal lengths, micro 43 lenses are significantly smaller than their Fuji APS-C counterparts. That goes for prime lenses too. Comparing a 12-40 Olympus zoom with a 16mm Fuji prime misses the point. One could make similar comparisons to show that certain Sony full frame cameras and lenses are lighter than a Fuji X-S20 with lenses. That too misses the point
Adios, amigo. I’m sure you helped a lot of photographers (as myself) to value M43 system… It’ll be interesting the system’s comparison in a long term. I’m really sorry that you leave. Good luck.
I'm happy you're enjoying your Fuji camera, Peter! I don't know that I'll switch from Olympus (started using live composite for astrophotography), but I wouldn't mind trying one at some point. It's great to have new experiences and learn. I find the Fuji community fascinating as far as what genres and approaches to photography/videography.
I love my Fuji cameras, but something like the Live Composite for Astro or other long exposure modes and in-camera focus stacking that OM Systems cameras have, do sound very interesting and time-saving if you don't have to do that in post!
Always forge your own path my friend. I switched some time back from OM to Fuji and have never looked back. I do think that likely you wouldve been better served with the X-H2 or even the XT5 or XT4. I loved Olympus while I shot with them and I love Fuji now! The one thing that isnt alwasy easy to articulate in discussion is how my love for the art increased and continues to increase with Fuji. Its not sterile and i like that. Its very organic in a sense. I have no desire to change to anything else at this time and if i were to acquire a new camera, it would likely be a GFX for specialty professional work. With my XT5, i have been able to satisfy my personal photography standards as well as my clientele.
Thanks for sharing.
Congratulations on your new purchase,
I am in the M43 and Fuji systems. I have no need for a full frame camera. Whereas it is expensive change systems, you have to use the right gear for the right job. I love my EMD1 Mii with the 12-40mm lens. I have several Fuji bodies and lenses. Both systems give me multiple features that allow me to capture the subject I’m focused on. I like IBIS. With the Fuji gear I used stabilized lenses. Both systems have very nice lenses.
I only use video to do short clips. Both Olympus and Fuji do video good enough for me. Some people fall in love with a system and then wear blinders. Cameras are only computers with a lens attached. Finding gear that makes your task easy is important. I’m glad you found that the Fuji XS20 fills the void you had with the OM1. No gear is perfect so the XS20 will serve you well until something better shows up.
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Well said.
I have followed you for many years now for your Olympus and OMD content which has taught me a lot of tips and given ideas to shoot. Although you have changed brands , that’s your choice to do, however you don’t seem totally convinced that your move has been completely successful -citing pros and cons only time will tell. I will still follow you for your photo graphics skills and technical advice on developing software that you use. Hope it works out for you.
Thanks. I am totally happy wih my move. Of course when getting a new system it is a gain and lose game. The reason/features to get the new is the gain and then there are things that are lost. There is also a lot to be learned etc.
It’s always exciting to switch things up. I just like watching your channel I’ve never even had a Olympus
Thanks.
I've noticed a few of the RUclips photography educators jump from micro four thirds to Fuji. Seems to be a trend. I am still going to watch your videos even though I'm happy sticking with my micro four thirds.
The need video features.
Thanks Peter, a very nice summary covering what is great and not so good in both systems. I agree with you on the Olympus LiveComp and Fuji film simulations, features I really appreciate and two reasons why I will be keeping both systems. Of course, a 10 minute LiveComp of my local railway station at night in Classic Chrome film simulation would be awesome.
Among others Ted Forbes (The art of photography) offers Fuji filmes styles bothe for Lightroom and Capture One...
Listening to your list of gains and losses Peter, I can’t work out why you decided to switch systems. Thanks anyway for another interesting video.
Here is some more info about that: ruclips.net/video/cZ7IYf1G6jM/видео.html
Peter - an interesting and honest comparison for your switch . Ima glad that you continue to use your OM5 as I continue to do so, and find it better than any other camera I have owned .I realise my needs are rather different and am only glad that you continue with OM SYSTEM gear !!
I really like my OM-5.
@@ForsgardPeterthe fact it’s a em1 mk3 in a small body is amazing not the om10 can do all that in a even smaller body with the new menu system hmmmm
thanks, Peter
Hello Peter, I'm pleased that you chose Fuji. I used to take photos with Olympus and therefore subscribed to your channel. About two years ago I switched to Fuji
Actually because of the film simulations, because I mainly only take photos in Jpeg. At first I had to get used to the slightly slower autofocus, which has now improved a lot. Which was also due to the older lenses. I still haven't unsubscribed from your channel. I now own the Fuji xt3, xt5 and xe4. And various lenses. I'm thinking about swapping the xt3 for the xs20. Because of the folding display. Let's see. I also really enjoy taking photos with Voigtländer manual lenses. And the analogue film simulations go even better with this. I wish you lots of luck and success. Many greetings from Berlin, Germany. Marko
Thanks for sharing.
Very interesting comparison Peter. Thank you!
As a long time Olympus/OMDS user (for photography only, not video), I too am tempted to try Fujifilm gear. While I have lots of excellent MFT gear, my loyalty to the MFT is fading, because innovation at OM-System seems to have slowed down and Panasonic is focused more on video and FF, while Fujifilm appears to be much more innovative and gaining market share (with growing support by the major third party lens makers and RUclipsrs). So I bought an X-T5 to get a feel for this fabulous camera that so many reviewers have raved about. I have no plans to abandon MFT, but would like to gain from some extras features that the X-T5 has to offer, such as the (larger) 40mp X-trans sensor, the tilt screen, some specific Fujifilm lenses, the retro feel of using physical dials and last but not least the many film simulations. In other words, I like to have the best of both worlds.
I've already tested the OM-1 50mp hi-res mode at 200 ISO against the 40mp X-T5 at 125 ISO: while the OM-1 50mp images are much sharper than the OM-1 20mp images, they are not much sharper that the X-T5 40mp images for static subjects. For moving subjects, the X-T5 resolution is clearly superior to the OM-1.
It's a steep but interesting learning curve to understand the X-T5, and I'd be interested in hearing about the experiences of other photographers that are on a similar path.
X-T5 is also tempting, but let's see if I will get one. Not sure yet.
I think you switched too early to another system. The G9ii would have been perfect for you and your video work. And you would have been able to keep all your mft lenses.
That remains to be seen. Panasonic G9II is most likely a great camera.
@@ForsgardPeter
You are the few RUclipsr who taught people how to use their camera, instead of how reviewing cameras and gear. I love to watch your channel. One of the reason is you taught us how to get the best out of the my smaller sensor m43 camera. So buy a G9 II, for your loyal channel subscriber.
He stated in a previous video that, Panasonic does not have a significant presence in Finland, where he's from, so he might find it difficult to reach them in case he runs into some issues, as opposed to Fuji, who seem to have a better presence there.
Sometimes I think it makes sense to have two systems for different situations. I think Panasonic has made a good move here with the G9II and the S5II, because the handling of both cameras seems to fit well together.
As an Olympus user for many years I was impressed by the specs and size of the Fuji XS20. As you noted in your comparisons the key factor for me NOT purchasing the fuji is the lack weather sealing, which may impact a few shooting opportunities. At least you have a similar size / weight camera with the OM5.
Very helpful video...
Glad to hear that.
When it comes to the toggling between the evf and the screen you can use the small button to the right of the evf to toggle the modes of how it switches, unfortunately there are like 5 options to cycle through and while it might have changed in more recent cameras (I’m on the X-T3) I’m not aware of a way to have a single button press switching between the evf and the screen, or the other way around.
Another detail that might be worth pointing out is that many of the misses you mention stem from the fact that while the OM-1 is a flagship, the X-S20 is one of the cheaper cameras that Fuji makes, so weather sealing, dual card slots and a high res evf are not going to be part of that package unfortunately.
I am aware of the reason the things are missing. I made this video from my point of view and looked into the things that I do not have anymore. I could have gotten an X-H2 or X-H2s, but went with the half-priced X-S20.
Thanks. I did find the solution to the EVF/LCD "problem".
It’s looking like Fuji is a very good option for your kind of work Peter. I tested the XT-5 and had the feeling that the Fuji X system is a very interesting option indeed. I agree with almost everything you said about except the IBIS. For video it is miles behind the OM Cameras. For my use the OM / Lumix options continues to be the better system. Smaller when using super teles, and amazing for travel, adventure and Macro. For video the new G9ii, and when I need those FF advantages I can simply use the S5ii (using the same battery, color profile, menu, etc…). thank you for video and impressions. The Fuji is really a compelling choice! I which you all the best and will continue to support and watch your channel.
Thanks. I have not seen that big of a difference in IBIS, what it comes to video. I will look into that and see if my mind changes.
Very interesting Peter. I was thinking of getting an X-S20 but am now wavering and may well keep my OM-1. Regards
It all depends on which one serves you better. OM-1 is a great camera. For me at the moment X-S20 is better for me.
For the weather sealing (and evf), you mentionned buying an X-T5 or X-H2 but you could buy a used X-T4 (losing only a little bit on the AF and on the 6.2K compared to the X-S20) and save a lot of money. I even went to an X-T3 cuz I prefer the screen and I don't need IBIS on my 2nd body
I really hope OM System will sell a new model with up to date video features soon. I want an OM-2 with sensor like G9-2 but with OM System colours and feel. I do like Fuji better than Sony or Nikon (have no experience in Canon), but still dont like Fuji enough to consider it.
The videos i make professionaly (for SOME) is good enough out of OM System cameras. But for OM System to survive the battle of brands, they have to step up in video capabilities. And also the OM-5 have to step up in video. It is possible, despite small battery and if compact design stops it, then make a videography version, maybe thicker OM-6 if it has to, but the same design for compability to OM-5 and E-M5m3 equipment.
That's what I want for the market soon as possible. The OM-10 is less in a hurry to release.
For switching between LCD and EVF, all my Fuji cameras have a "Viewmode" button on the right side of the EVF. But perhaps the smaller X-S20 doesn't have that.
In that case there should be a "Viewmode" option in the "Screen Setup" menu, which you can add to the "My Menu" if you need. Or bind to another button.
Lack of weather sealing was for me one of reasons for going with the larger Fuji cameras btw, and also the EVF quality.
The X-T and X-H cameras have much better EVF, especially the X-H2 and X-H2s.
Weather sealing on the Fuji is btw most likely not quite as good as on OM Systems cameras btw. Not even on X-H cameras.
I found the way. I need to go first to the Screen Set-up menu and press Q-button to select option in View Mode. Then assign it to Fn-button next to the EVF. t was that Q-button that made it possible to choose the active ViewModes.
I hear in your comparison between OM-1 and Fujifilm S20 what advantages there are between the two. If I add the sum of both, OM-1 still comes first for me. The features they have more than Fujifilm S20. However, what is a big plus of the S20 from Fujifilm is the sensor. There is work to be done for OM-System. Hopefully the next camera from OM-System will change that? Rumors don't rule that out, but will that happen??. That would bring OM-System back to the same level. Hopefully their next camera won't be a device that just bears the name change from Olympus to OM-System? That would be bad news for the future
I got the OM-1 because I like to walk around in the woods and take wildlife photos. Most times I only bring the OM-1 with the 12-40 and the Panasonic Leica 100-400 lens, less than 2 kg in total, and leave the primes at home. Weather sealing and light weight are the important factors for me. My nephew work as a photographer in addition to his studies. He uses my old Nikon F3 film camera and a Fuji X-mount camera for his work. In the end of the day, everyone needs to use the tool that fits best for their interest and workflow.
I totally agree with you. Different cameras are meant for different purposes. That is why cameras shoud be reviewed that purpose in mind.
Glad the X-S20 is working out for you. The Fuji's have always been on my speadsheet of cameras to consider, so far (at least) the Olympus cameras have met my needs the most. One thing I do wish the Olympus/OMDS cameras would have is 14 bit image files, for my use 12 is probably good enough, but am curious why it is not at 14bit.
Interesting comparison and contrast. Makes me appreciate my current OMD gear. No need to upgrade as a hobbiest. I think this video would be instructive for someone thinking of changing gear.
Yes, OM-1 is a very capable camera for photography. If you are happy keep them. No need to change.
a great subject to discuss
Thank you.
Understood. For me, I use both Fuji and Oly, too. Alternating between the systems and their strengths/weaknesses makes me think about the process and not put everything on auto-pilot. My only advice for OM Systems is stop being asleep. Get out and make some news, make some noise, be a part of the conversation. Thanks for your honest approach, Peter. Just subscribed.
Thank you.
Thanks for the video. What about general photos quality? All in all it is APS-C vs MFT. I am currently hesitating between X-S20 and OM-5 (OM-1 is too big and heavy, too close to FF).
The look & feel is different. I would not say that there is a massive difference in image quality.
@@ForsgardPeter Hi. I'm sorry for hijacking the answer but, which one do you recommend? Like, it is hard when there is a lot of people post about Fujifilm and not many about OM. And more for OM-5, because people wanted a mini OM-1 instead of reviewing it as a new camera or thinking about the people that are trying to buy their first one.
We take the tools that are necessary to make the work; for travel, landscape and astrophotography (high resolution photography) Olympus works for me (weight,size and minimizes the need of a tripod)); for videography I select Sony Fx cameras because I need true videocamaras, not hibrid. There are a lot of options to satisfy photography and videography needs.
I've been thinking about selling gear and investing in an xt5 for photography. Do you have thoughts on this camera? I like the look of the ergonomics and the Manual dedicated dials an both body and lenses
It is an interesting camera. I am tempted to get one. The apeerture ring in the lenses is a very nice thing. I have gotten used to it already.
Nice video. I do disagree with the point about stabilization. The Fuji cameras probably have the worst IBIS right now, especially in video. Please take a look at Richard Wong's IBIS test videos. In the most recent one, the XH2 almost looked like it didn't have any image stabilization on. The Panasonic and Olympus cameras are at a different level when it comes to IBIS vs other brands. Canon is pretty good though, but it has the wobbles
I agree the XH2's video IBIS is pretty terrible. my friend's OM1 video IBIS is much better.
And i think the L-mount future is great, especially now BlackMagic and Samyang both joined the alliance recently and total of 8 brands in the official alliance now with Leica, Panasonic Sigma, DJI etc
I really hope that L-mount will survive. It is a good thing to have options.
Page 318 & 319 in the X-S20 pdf manual will show you how to map the view mode setting to the function button near the viewfinder to switch between viewfinder and LCD. Default has that button setting White Balance.
Thanks I will look into it. Found the button, but have not looked the manual for that particular thing.
I found the way. I need to go first to the Screen Set-up menu and press Q-button to select option in View Mode. Then assign it to Fn-button next to the EVF.
Great! I am still trying to figure out why that button defaults to White Balance, makes no sense, should have been Viewfinder/LCD switch like every other camera that has that button right there next to the Viewfinder....LOL.
I totally agree, it is a strange default settting.
@@ForsgardPeter You should select this exchange for those who face the same difficulty.
I’m interested in getting a used EM1.3. Does anyone have any suggestions? Or videos on the subject? I’m in the USA.
That was an interesting take on both cameras . I am now too old to change as I cannot justify the cost or need to go that way . But we’re I to, then the latest range of offerings on the market takes me back to when I began looking at digital options and after a great deal of procrastination , I settled on the EM10 Mkii . I know there were alternatives , but the Olympus ticked all my boxes and few things I was never going to use . And it all began after carrying a big DSLR around on holiday and returned to ditch for something a bit lighter .
I Would always warn those looking in the shop window of GAS ; we have all suffered from it at one time or another .
Peter , the reasons for your switch make sense and I can concur with the reasoning . I think that this video will help anybody deciding on switching cameras to focus on the reasons why that would benefit the end user . The brand is not important - the process and reasons behind those choices are helped by watching your own reasons of making your own choice .
Thank you , Peter .
Thanks. I think I have made a good choice. At least I gave it a lot thought.
My main system is Nikon, but I also have the E-M10ii and I love it. I mainly use it with prime lenses (17, 25 and 45 mm). Fortunately I found a used one for only 200,- Euro and now I have two bodies and I don't have to change lenses so often. I always leer at the OM-5 but for me as a hobbyist and as a second system it's too expensive.
@@ForsgardPeter
Peter , I think you made a good choice out of the options you had .
@@gerhardsteinhofer
I used Nikon for many years and even used Canon in a studio . I first DSL was a Fujica back in the good old film days . Back then I used 5x4 and 6c6 cameras too .today , some of my best work comes from my phone because I have it always with me ;it also doubles as my wide angle lens.
@@carmenfissenden2530I also started with a film camera (Pentax). In 2009 I switched to digital and Nikon (D60). I love my Nikon cameras but Olympus cameras are nice too. They are small, very handy and perfect for a second system. Yes, I agree. The main advantage of smartphones is that they are always with you.
I used XT2 as my secondary camera to my Sony system. Now I use my Sony as a secondary camera to my new X-S20. Sony is used only in wet and dust. I got two very good (not excellent) lenses for it, a Sigma 18-50 f2.8 and a Fujifilm 70-300mm. I always use Boost mode, this way the camera is much faster in focusing and buffering. I lose the battery life a little bit but an extra battery helps. I really fell in love with this "little beast".
Thank for sharing your thoughts.
Thanks Peter, two big questions that you did not address. Has the quality of your photos and work flow improved? And, has the sitwch been a financially a good move? MFT cameras and small in-expensive lenses are awsome, espically when paired with DXO and the Nik collect. As a RUclipsr and Pro Photograhper I understad your upgrades or move to another brand, but for a hobbist (most of us) I have watch where the money is spent, so for me its a photo trip next year. And besides my skill level is still at the OMD EM-1 Mk 2 and multi lens line up. Great video, thanks.
I did discuss the financial aspekt in this video: ruclips.net/video/cZ7IYf1G6jM/видео.html.
I was only looking at the video quality. That is better than OM-1. In photography the film simulations are a big thing. It seems also that the dynamic range is better.
@@ForsgardPeter Hi Peter ... pity that you are leaving OM SYSTEMS but I think alike Matti you will do good . Although I am afraid I agree that you should have tried the new Panasonic first for video ...at least than no new lenses where required. Good fun.
Hi Peter, nice video. Purchasing your XS20 will give you a lot of pleasure. I also like the film simulations and especially the film simulation bracketing. It especially saves me a lot of time in post-processing. Peter, I think your comparison with the OM1 was a mistake. The OM5 is the same price range and not the OM1. Good luck with your XS20. It is a top camera for its price range. Peter, people used to not ask me which camera I worked with and now they do (because they are surprised by the quality and beautiful colors that this camera produces without post-processing).
The reason for comparing these two was that I had OM-1 and got X-S20. Wanted to discuss what I gained and lost when made my move. It was relevant in that sense.
Thanks Peter. What will you use the OM-5 for and what will you use the XS-20 for?
X-s20 for pro work and OM-5 for leisure, at least for now.
@@ForsgardPeter thank you. I really hope that the change is a great success for you. I think that using two systems may reinvigorate your photographic innovation. I am looking forward to some great videos in the near future.
Good and interesting points, thanks. Two things I have the opposite view to yourself: the 26 to 20 resolution difference is 30% which I’d say is a lot on something so crucial. On the other hand the focussing point difference of 400 to 1000 seems big numerically, but in reality the extra points are merely between other points so unless you are photographing a queen bee in a 20 metre wide beehive, this is not relevant...
Those extra focusing points on OM-1 makes the focusing very precise on a small object like you said. The camera is made for macro photography among other things. Very good for that. For me so far the 400 has been enough so no real problem there for me, but for some it might be.
How do you the find the IBIS on the X-S20 compared to Olympus? I bought an X-S20 recently and used it at the weekend and found the IBIS was terrible compared to my Olympus OMD EM1 II. I got so many images with camera shake whereas when I use my EM1 in the same environment I get more consistent images. With the Fuji I had to use auto ISO up to 3200. I expect it is due to the larger sensor although 5 stops should be 5 stops
Only used for photographs.
I have not really noticed that big of a difference. I have to say that Olympus IBIS is better.
there is a way in the menu to switch from OVF to LCD, but you can also assign a Fn button (near the eye cup, e.g. ...) to do this task
Thanks. I did finf the solutiuon. It needed a few extra steps. Now it works the way I like.
Landscape is an essentiel genre for my photography, I think 20 Mpx is a little limiting for it, I'm afraid the images will look somewhat dated in a few years. So I found myself doing a lot of postprocessing with HHHR shots, masking in Photoshop the moving parts of the image from the ORI file, and I found it is quite boring and time consuming at the end.
More over, the OM-1 with the 8-25 zoom is quite heavy, and the sharpness on the edges is fine at 20 MPx, but not so much at 50 Mpx.
I was expecting a lot from the next Fuji X100 iteration, but I'm not very patient, and I was a little afraid with having just a fixed length on hiking ... I realized that the X-T5 with the 27mm F2.8 was not much bigger than the X100, and also on par with a PEN-F with 18mm F1.8, with a much better IQ. Moreover, I loved the ergonomics of the PEN-F, with the exposure compensation dial and a rapid access to ISO setting, which is the same with the X-T5 and its "still" ergonomics.
So I bought the X-T5. A first, I wanted to keep my OM-1 and some particular and exceptional lenses (75mm F1.8, 17mm F1.2, macro, ...) for all my photography except landscape and hiking, and for filming. But I realized that, for an incoming event, I should have to simultaneously film and take photos with my "event lenses" (17mm F1.2 and 75mm F1.8). Should I buy another body (E-M5 Mark III), or should I buy "event lenses" for my X-T5 ? I discovered the relatively cheap Viltrox 27mm F1.2 and 75mm F1.2, and read all the reviews available, which are excellent. I remember that Peter bought an XS-20 for video, so I looked at it closer, and found it would be an excellent second body for filming, the two main caveats of it (no weather sealing, one SD slot) should not be too penalizing for a second body which should not be used on hiking ...
The other choice was to own three bodies from two systems : not optimal at all (...) : I decided to switch completely from M43 to Fuji and sell my remaining M43 gear, which finance the Fuji gear I needed (XS-20 and the two Viltrox). As a bonus, I get the Fuji 15-45 with power zoom, which is fine for filming.
Finally, what made me switch, is the fact that Olympus remained too long with a 20 Mpx sensor, and the choice made to focus on wildlife photography. It makes sens because it is the genre that optimizes the price and weight of M43 gear. The M43 system moved away from my own photography genre, and I regret it.
Thanks for sharing.
I am very happy with the X-S20, it is nearly the perfect camera for me. IBIS for video is not good though (for stills it is very useable). Also, I find it hard to understand why the auto subject detection only works in the Auto Mode (which is useless for me). Hopefully it will be fixed in a firmware update...
I made the reverse switch from Fuji to micro 4/3 and I would never go back also because I often use telephoto lenses. How does animal, object, etc. recognition work on the XS20?
I have not tested the object recognition. It is a nice feature and technology, but I really do not need it. Face and eye detection works very well on the Fuji X-S20.
Peter, curious what lenses you kept with your OM-5?
I still have the the 20mm F1.4 Pro. Then I have 12mm F2, 17mm F1.8, 45mm F1.4 and the 30mm F3.5 macro. I also kept the 12-40mm F2.8 Pro. I am totally covered.
@@ForsgardPeterany thoughts on the 56mm f1.4 sigma for mft I can’t afford the 1.2 pro lens and it seems to tick all the boxes fora Bright portrait lens
I just bought the 75mm for 400 euros. It may be a better deal than the 56mm for 350. But I've heard only good stuff about the 56mm.
Thanks for the video. Although 14-bit has more data than 12-bit, it has no effect on dynamic range, just more data between black and white.
It us about dynamic range. 12-bit can record 12EV and 14bit 14EV. But it all depends on the nosei level. In worst cases the extra bits are only storing noise.
Peter, there are quite a number of Fuji users who have build quality issues on their units. Me included. I have'nt heard complaints regarding the XS20, but please let us know if something happens on your unit. I do hope, you won't get in that situation. And may I ask, why Fuji, not Sony? Before answering, maybe you can have a video regarding this topic.
I have had no issues so far with my Fuji X-S20. Everything seems to be working nicely. Fuji was more interesting to me. The system is also smaller that Sony. Another thing was that the prices of Sony quality glass is more expensive. For photography the Fuji film recipes were something I wanted.
@@ForsgardPeter thanks for the info.
Thought you kept the OM5 for personal use…if so, would love to see a comparison between it and the Fuji. Suspect OM5 has much better IBIS (from what I have seen on other videos; IBIS on Fuji not that great for video - see Cameralabs as one example) some extra computational features for outdoor use, but OM5 not nearly as full featured for video. Not close if video is needed a lot.
I might do a video about that topic.
I still have the Fuji XT2 and am able to crop into the image more than I can on the EM1 II. Yes I know both bodies are different to this discussion but in some cases sensor size is important. No FF comments please
Olisko siinä kameran päällä/salamassa nappi jossa lukee viewmode? Ainakin x-s10:ssä pystyi vaihtamaan LCD asetuksia siitä.
Ei taida olla. Pitääpä vielä tutkia tarkemmin.
Siinä EVF:n vieressä pitäisi olla musta nappi missä ei lue mitään. Siitä pitäisi pystyä vaihtamaan ellei sen toimintaa ole muutettu joksikin muuksi.
Juu sain sen toimimaan. Ongelmana oli, että vaihtoehtoja miten EVF ja LCD toimii oli monta. Piti painaa moneen kertaan. Löysin ratkaisun. Q-napin kautta sai valittua mitkä toiminnot ovat päällä. Nyt se on asetettu niin, että se vaihtaa EVF:n ja LCD:n välillä. Kiitokset avusta.
Unless I missed it, the one notable thing that you didn't put in the "things I've gained" list, is improved image quality. ??
I do not see that as a big thing. Fuji has slightly better dynamic range and slightly lower nose level. Both of thise can be fixed with AI. The difference in image quality is minimal.
An XH2 and the XS20 is a better way to go than dual 20s,the fan accessory fits both and the battery grip option is there IF needed.S20 is a hobbyist body but ok as back up to a pro body.
X-S20 works really well for me. I really do not care if a camera body is for pros or not. Only thing I care is that if it works for me them it is good for me.
Yes, that is what Peter should do.
Do you notice any differences between the two systems regarding post-processing ?
Does the 26mpx sensor offer greater flexibility during processing ?
Not really that much. There seems to more room to edit, because Fuji files are 14bit. I have also shot a lot of jpg. The film recipes are great.
@@ForsgardPeter I actually own an OMD EM10 IV and want to know if it's worth upgrading to a Fuji 26Mpx
Hi, I think the XS 20 has 16 bit depth for stills. I thought it had 14 as well, but according to b&h website its 16
Really, I need to check that out. Thanks.
Peter, I watched this video for the second time. But I think buying an X-H2 and as second camera a X-S20 is a better solution for your professional needs. I own the X-s20 but it is an enthusiast camera so no weathersealing or bright EvF.
The biggest negative thing for me has been so far the EVF.
Здравствуйте Питер! На сколько я понял из вашего ролика вы решили перейти с системы микро 4/3 OM-1:на Fuji. Это наверное нормально, что-то пробовать новое. По всей видимости ваш ролик был записан при помощи Fuji X-S 20 и я, честно говоря особенно не заметил разницы между роликами раннее записанными при помощи OM-1 и сейчас. Возможно, это мой дилетантский взгляд. По мере знакомства с новой системой Fuji, вы будете с нами делится своим опытом. Вам удачи!
Thanks. For RUclips there is not much difference in this type of videos. It was H.265 and not even All-Intra. Not sure if it was 200Mbps. If I had used F-Log2 and needed to grade to footage there would be a diffenrece.
@@ForsgardPeter Да, я так и понял, что при сжатии видео особенной разницы нет. Хоть ролик запиши на смартфон, результат будет примерно одинаков.
Man I have so many m4/3 lenses that I could never switch the systems. It would just be too much of a hassle having to get all new lenses again. I admire your patience.
I think have what I need. I do have less lenses, but I got what I need. Trying to cut down equipment I really do not need.
Hey Peter, wish you have fun with the Fuji. If EVF isnt so good, you could have a look at XT4.
For years I had Fuji XT 3. Nice Look. Nice simulation. But it slowed me down in photographing.
World be ineterestibg, what you say to rmthis point.
Slowing down is a good thing. It most likely make your photography better. X-T4 would have been a good option if I did not need a camera for video.
Did you sell your OM-1? are you still using Olympus Gears? just wondering
I still have OM-5 and some lenses. In this video there is more info about that: ruclips.net/video/cZ7IYf1G6jM/видео.html
About speed... every time you use LiveND you are using 120fps... and remember that the main use of liveND and HighRes shot (for me, at least) is the huge increase of more than 2 stops of dynamic range.
fuji's are very cute though
This interests me. I have used hires for that increased dynamic range. I had not thought to try the ND filters for that purpose. If you have a chance, could you explain that a little bit? Thanks.
I think I found the answer: Live ND is a computational mode combining a several images. Thanks!
@@RoderickJMacdonaldexactly!! LiveND64 takes 64 images (when at minimum speed, 0,5 seconds it needs the 120 fps), and combines them on the fly. IMPORTANT: all dynamic range increase is in the shadows part. Highlight are not improved. If you burn you burn. Try to dramatically underexpose and add 5stops of exposure in post. You will be shocked with the results.
Numbers: our sensor gives more or less 9,7 stops of DR at nominal ISO. With liveND you get 12 stops at ISO200, ISO400, and a little less at ISO640. (For reference any FF camera at nominal gives around 11,5 stops of DR)
I do landscapes so I use this mode even when I would not add a physical filter… this is 90% of my photos.
@@moisescugat3948 Thanks. I will be testing this and try to become adept at its use. There is a lot to learn with this camera. Much seems so obvious once you have learned it. And most of the “gear reviewer” types seem to be quite ignorant of its potential.
Did you keep the OM-5 for personal work? Yeah, the evf on those smaller Fuji cameras is bad. I found it almost unusable with glasses due to the small eye point. I tried one of the x-tXX cameras but ended returning it, the evf was what was the nail in the coffin for it. The om-1 is much better. I even find the om-5 e-m5 iii way better due to the vastly longer eye point with glasses. Sounds like if you don’t do video not much that is better and for still photos get dxo filmpack and you have all the Fuji simulations for any camera
I did keep the OM-5.
Hey Peter… My friend… You didn’t mention the most important reason why you chose the Fuji… The reality of of after purchase service and resale…. I love my Panasonic and Olympus Cameras - but recently I thought to buy a full-frame version and when I tried to sell my unused lenses (they are in mint condition) the market value has dropped to 1/3 the new price…. I have accepted that I will not be selling my gear and have embraced the fact that since I cannot sell - I have to be patient… but I have a friend who was able to sell his Fuji system (in very used condition) and lost only 40% of the purchase price…. This is a crucial difference if you are a professional and need the flexibility of being able to shift your system to meet the realities of the market….
Of course it is always a good thing to get good money for the old gear when making a move. I did get a very good money on my old OM SYSTYEM/Olympus gear.
You can get the X-T3 or X-T3 used as a backup, for about half the price, both have double card slots, both are weather sealed, both use the same battery. X-T3 has the same sensor as the X-S20, while X-T2 has a X-Trans III sensor, which boosts slightly less, 24 MP. Just saying...
Yes, that has crossed my mind.
Unfortunately the fujifilm system has a huge problem. I'm talking about focusing at infinity with lenses from 23 mm down (wide) with apertures smaller than f 5.6. Try it yourself, try to photograph something diatant at f10 with a wide lens on a beautiful sunny day and activate the distance scale. You'll see it go from infinity to 5 meters or less if you refocus. This is a serious problem encountered by many (do a quick search on the internet) but that no one talks about. I'm changing the system for this.
Thanks for sharing. I will look into that ans see for myself.
@@ForsgardPeter if you want read on internet autofocus fujifilm inconsistence is real wandering lesman. Is an article on this problem. Bye
That issue was resolved with the latest firmware update. Or at least it doesn't happen to me.
@@lukather39 The latest firmware did not resolve the situation. I sent my xh2s in for service precisely because of this problem. I already know that it will be returned as I sent it because it is a system problem. I have read on some forums of users who like me find themselves with highly unreliable AF camera bodies.
@@fabioinserra9981 Everyone knows that Fuji's AF is not the best on the market, perhaps you should have better informed yourself before purchasing a Fujifilm camera... Fuji has other positive characteristics, which at least in my case and that of many users deserve us worth it even sacrificing some AF. But that specific problem occurred to me on the X-S20 with the Sigma 18-50, after the firmware update it was solved.
Sorry to see you leave M4/3s, it was your insight that caused me to follow you. Thanks for the work you provided . Hope fully your going to Fuji was nothing to do with OM systems and hopefully you enjoy it. Not long until full frame I should think. Anyway goodbye Peter.
I needed better video features. OM SYSTEM has nothing to with this. They have always treated me very well. I have high regards of the company.
Good honest review. I switched from Fuji to M4/3 simply because Fuji lost its way as their cameras and lenses got bigger. Also I had the x-Pro3 which quite frankly is a disappointment. Did you forget to mention the battery grip which doubles your power but admittedly increased size and weight. That option is a big bonus. Really you should have bought the X-T3 as a second body, which I did own and I believe is better than the X-S20.
I have not really looked into X-T3. Not sure if it is as good in video as X-S20 is?
The XT-3 is not the best in video. Please get the requirements of Peter and not yours. In Peter situation XT-4 was better, as it had better video codec, but still misses the open gate video recording and 4:2:2 chroma sampling and All-I compression. The best solution is Fuji X-H2.
If you're new to Fuji my advice would be to to learn and get good at editing in-camera. Shoot RAW only and edit any keepers in-camera. This will make transferring the resulting jpegs to your phone very quick and easy (select all - send). Cropping, levelling and small touch ups can be done to the jpeg on a device with a better screen than the camera.
Thanks for the tip.
Buying the X-H2 would have fixed most of your "losses". High-res, better EVF and weather sealing.
Yes, I know and was thinking about to get one. I decided to go with the cheaper option. I talked about this in this video: ruclips.net/video/cZ7IYf1G6jM/видео.html
Greetings 🙏🙏
There shall be a small button on side of evf for switching between evf & lcd
Thanks, I found it. It had to be re assigned and then I had to change setttings how it changes from EVF to LCD.
@@ForsgardPeter oh really.... It was not set by default?? On my xh1 it's by default..
Actually I am also looking forward to buy XS20... your video helped me to save huge... I was going for xh2s... But then I thought I shall buy XS20 and extra lens ttartisan 50mm f/1.4 tilt ..
Yeah I bound the function to that one, you can also use the Q menu for a lot of stuff you use regularly but not as often as other dedicated buttons like the dials (I put turning on face tracking and animals etc in there so I can always quickly turn it on when needed per subject without going into menu)
I did the opposite. Had Fuji and loved Fuji colors but the overall experience disappointed me. Seems these are in a different league to me with the OM-1 more of a professional level camera. I have shot professionally for many years. Sometimes using clients systems as well. Sony/Panasonic/Canon even RED. Really have enjoyed the compactness and quality of OM-1.
OM-1 is a good camera. I have liked the X-S20 and the way it handles in video. I have more options.
Same here love Fuji sensor but overall package is meh. Except xh1 or 2
I got a Fuji X-S20 to test here in India and I am enjoying it a lot so far. A few observations. I feel the build quality is so good that even though the camera is not officially weather sealed it can still take a lot. Just the other day I was by the Arabian Sea taking photos when a wave came and soaked me and the camera completely. No issues at all, it continued working fine and still is working fine. When it is raining i just put a cheap plastic bag over it and keep shooting. I know it doesn't look very professional but it does the job 🙂 As far as Pro Capture goes there is Pre-Shot ES in the X-S20 which is similar in function but it does only work in electronic shutter mode but is helpful in some situations. The video functionality seems exceptionally good so far and the AF has come a long way in Fuji terms. Previous generations I was a bit hesitant to use for professional and client work but now I would not hesitate anymore. Anyway thanks for your thoughts on the camera! I am slightly tempted to buy one for myself as am liking it even more than I anticipated.
I have been very happy with my X-S20. Especially for video it is a good value for money. The image looks nice and organic. It does not scream digital.
@@ForsgardPeter Great little camera for sure! Do you use the film sims for video or shoot in log and grade?
I mainly use Eterna Cinema. Works really well and looks good. 4K (sometimes 6.2K), H.265, 10bit 360Mbps. I do not really need ProRes, H.265 runs quite wqell on my computer.
@@ForsgardPeter Sounds good, I will try Eterna also since I have one video project coming up here. By the way did you already figure out how to customize a button to quickly toggle between Viewfinder and LCD? I set the button next to the viewfinder to "View Mode Setting". Then it's quick and easy to switch between the needed modes. On previous cameras that used to be the default and you could not customize the button to any other function so I am used to having it there.
From what you have said I think the XH2 may have been a better choice, weathersealed and higher resolution evf
Oh and 2 card slots
I agree, but then comes the price. I did not justify the double price of X-H cameras compared to X-S20. I really do not have to give up anything or any gigs becouse I have X-S20 instead of X-H camera.
I think it's clever that you start your videos with "let's get right into the business".
when did you visit Poland ?
A few weeks ago.
@@ForsgardPeterI hope you enjoyed your time in my country. Cheers,mate👍
I did a lot. Warsaw is a nice city.
hmm...pretty small gains and fairly large losses. More just a sidestep from the OM5...but we're all allowed as many systems as we want 😉
I have been quite happy so far. I do not see the losses that big. Mainly features that I do not need.
According to everything you said seems to me like there are more negatives than positives🙄
There are a few things that are not as good as it was in OM-1. There is one thing that I need, Open Gate video. That alone was more than the downsides combined.
@@ForsgardPeter If you need open gate then nothing else matters. I can’t recall you mentioned it in the video.
I did mention it briefly at around 7 minutes. I have also talked about it in my previous videos
I get why you don't need an OM-1 since you don't shoot sports or wildlife, but why do you need an OM-5 and an X-T20? Aren't they pretty similar, aside from slightly better video features on the X-T20 and weather sealing on the OM-5? Isn't it kind of redundant to have both with two different sets of lenses?
I just wish OM System would make an OM-5 II with dual card slots and the same menu system as the OM-1. At that price point, it ought to be a professional camera marketed to professional real estate photographers, portrait photographers, landscape photographers, and anyone else who isn't shooting fast action.
I do not need the OM-5, but I like it.
OM system is pushing birds, birds, birds and birds. So they push wildlife and Macro.
Why did you not go for a pro body like XH2?
Very good question.
Am sure Peter mentioned this in another video. Size, weight and cost. The XS20 according to other reviews offers about 80% of the features of the XH2S.
Listening to all the things you are regretting from your EM-1, you should have bought an X-T5 or X-H2…weather sealed, good or very good EVF and 2 SD Cards Slots on both cameras.
I am not regretting at all. Those were the things I had, but do not have at the moment. I am totally fine and so far those features that are missing have not affected my photography.
Good to see someone else ditching m43. I agree with those who say it won't be around in 10 years - maybe sooner.
An interesting thread in DPR had more people who said their favorite camera was Panasonic and few said OM-1.
It will still be around but possibly just even more of a niche regardless there are so many lenses even if it became a dead mount it would still be relevant because of the glass
Beh the competitor of the om-1 is Fuji xh2/s. Xs20 is medium camera like the om-5.
X-S20 works very well. I would not be any better if I had X-H camera. Most of the features I need are in X-S20.
Why not use the OM5 the days you need wether sealing? At least for phothography.
I will be using it.
What about AF?... i bought the XT5 this summer with the 16-80 F4, and the AF was so bad, i had to return it!, and change to the XS20 with the 18mm 1.4 WR, and the XS20 combo was maybe abit better, but far from perfect!. I use Sony, Panasonic, and Samsung, and have used Canon and Nikon, but Fujis AF is deffently worse than the ohter brands...even the technicans at the store admit it!
I have not had that much problem with the AF. it has worked ok in my shooting. OM-1 had a very good AF. Most likely better for wildlife etc., but for what I do Fujis AF is totally fine.
@@ForsgardPeter Thanks for speedy relply!, my G9 is much better in single AF with the 12-35 lens in photo mode, than the Fuji!...and congrats to being a NATO member.....from Norway!!!!!
Thanks. NATO gives us some extra safety. It is good to be part of that.
Ok, I can't resist...I'm sorry you have a small package.
You should do another video on what OM System would need to improve/change for you to come back!
Good idea. I just might do that.
Oh, I didn't think you actually brand switched 😳
One could say that. I still have OM-5 and a couple of M.Zuiko lenses.
@@ForsgardPeterah oki 😊 got worried you gave up on oly 😅 om-5 with 20mm f1.4? 💪
OM-1's biggest advantage : SSWF
But I prefer most of my images in the 3-by-4 presentation; so that's whenI immedeately loose those 'extra' mp's.
No thank you.
4 by 3 is a good aspekt ratio. This camera makes 2 by 3 and the pixels are 4160X6240 and that is 25,8Mpix. There is no loss of pixels because of the aspekt ratio.
@@ForsgardPeter I appreciate your review/comparison, but
I cannot understand how a 2-by-3 sensor wouldn't loose pixels when - in fact - cropping its image to 4160-by-5546 (i.e. 3:4) [=
Seems to me you traded for an amateur camera body from a professional one ( and lenses ).
I do not think that it matters if a camera is considered an amature or pro body. I only consider if the body works for me.
my X-S20 overheats after 20 minutes while checking menu
Mine has not. I have been playing around quite long times with it.
13:50 the best viewfinder is an optical viewfinder, where you've got extraordinary dynamic range and ultimate resolution.
I think industry tricked us with EVF
how can Fujifilm improve the viewfinder of your XS-20?
I think EVF is better. I can see the image like camera sees it. It is far superior in many ways than an optical viewfinder. On X-S20 the evf could be better.
Ibis on xs20 is pretty bad, it is worse than xs10
Cannot say about that. Have not tested X-S10. How much worse is it based on your own experience?
With all respect, I don’t get your choice. You wanted Fuji because of the video, fine. But X-S20? It’s like the worst decision 😂😂 Look, you said it yourself: 3 BIG things missing is 1) weather sealing, 2) two card slots and 3) better (5.76mpix) EVF. And also, it is for professional use…
…so for the love of god I don’t understand why you chose X-S20 when clearly you’d need X-H -series body, which would fulfill all your needs. Or even X-T -series body.
Camoon Peter, sä olet aina perustellut kanavalla asiat rationaalisesti, mutta tätä en nyt ymmärrä alkuunkaan. Miksi ihmeessä vaihdoit runkoon joka on omaan käyttöösi lähtökohtaisesti puutteellinen?
Well I see that X-S20 is enough for my work at the moment. It is a mini X-H2 camera. I know it lacks things that I mentioned in the video. I have been using it for about a month now on my work. It ahs served me very well. No problem what so ever.
It is not a bad decision in my opinion. The price of X-H2 is almost twice as the price of X-S20. That is one reason. Did not wanted to spend that much money right now. I can always get X-H cameras if I really need them. Cannot see that right now. X-T5 is something I might get later this year. That would mainly to do some street photography. Very happy right now.
Disagree on the phone apps. Fujifilm's is absolutely awful compared to OM's.
I found the features and the ability to register multiple cameras at the same time very useful.
The sad thing is that OM system cameras, in my opinion, are not lovable. Too much plastic and no real improvements which might justify the expense. I got a second hand XT-3, and even though I only have one manual 23mm f1.4 lens for it, I love taking it out and listen to it's hefty manual shutter. I wish I had never sold my EM5 II.
Ah well, maybe a Pen-F II will be convincing.
I am considering a Lumix G9 II, especially because it's properly weatherproofded, technologically advanced and has the LUT feature.
Cheers and all the best!
"OM system cameras, in my opinion, are not lovable." I see what you did there - but the OM-1 und OM-5 are essentially the same as the "Olympus" models that came before them. I wouldn't mind the plastic body (I had the Minolta X300, X700 and Nikon EM back in the days, and I was fine with plastic parts back then), but the G9II is indeed very interesting (for me due to the slightly higher resolution of 25 MP and having most of what I have with my Pen F, especially a high-res pixel-shift mode).
I am now unsubscribed. Adios and good luck with your new system. Got a feeling you’ll be back at some point!!
Why?
@@WMedl Because I shoot Olympus. Why do I need to watch videos about FujiFilm? He’s like most of these photography RUclipsrs; let’s get the next new shiny object. I’ll stick with RobTrek!!
@@stephenschuda7487 Rob Trek changed to Fuji months ago!
Not the gear, the perception and composition are important!
If you have followed my channel you know that I do not get new shiny things very often. I used 100% Olympus/OMSYSTEM for 9 years.