Vampire Massacre - The First Aerial Battle of the 1965 Indo-Pakistani War

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  • Опубликовано: 7 янв 2025

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  • @showtime112
    @showtime112  2 месяца назад +27

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    • @ddegn
      @ddegn 2 месяца назад +3

      I'm not sure your deal goes against Thrustmaster's affiliate rules, but I'd be very surprised if you're allowed to pass the commission to the customer.
      Usually affiliate rules don't allow the affiliate to say how they will spend their commission. I know saying "the money will be used to produce even more RUclips videos" isn't allowed by Amazon.
      You should probably look through any information Thrustmaster provided so you know if your commission rebate offer is allowed. Hopefully you won't lose out on being an affiliate because of your offer.
      Good luck and thanks for making this interesting video. The Vampire sure looks cool even if it is out classed by the other fighters.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +6

      @@ddegn Actually, it was my Thrustmaster contact who suggested me to do it this way. I kept asking for a viewer discount and he kept saying they couldn't do it. Eventually, he said literally 'It's your money and you can do whatever you want with it. You can pay the viewers a part of your commission after you make it'. So, this is approved, don't worry.

    • @shantanunewse2118
      @shantanunewse2118 2 месяца назад

      In Reality The Indian Air Force did not realize the Sabre Threat in the initial phase and put these outdated aircraft against them, there was loss of life and tragically those family lost their men.... No one ever knows their bodies were received or not.. Sad but a blunder...

    • @ddegn
      @ddegn 2 месяца назад

      @@showtime112 Good to hear Thrustmaster is OK with your deal. Thanks for letting me know.

  • @traucoGonzalez
    @traucoGonzalez 2 месяца назад +317

    It was perhaps 1956, I was at school , when there comes 5 Vampires flying very low , their silver metal shining in the sun, the noise was deafening, it was the first time jets flew over my city. Many boys and girls crying terrorized , I was elated and there , with 5 years of age I made my decision, I wanted to be a pilot . I was very lucky and could accomplish my dream. Retired after flying more than 35 K hours and 8K hours as instructor on simulators.

    • @ddegn
      @ddegn 2 месяца назад +12

      Very cool.

    • @frenzalrhomb6919
      @frenzalrhomb6919 2 месяца назад +27

      You're a very lucky man. I remember seeing the movie "The Red Baron" at a drive-in with my parents in the very early 1970s. I suppose I was between 6-8 years old. I really, really, wanted to be a pilot, but life just didn't take me in that direction. Although, I have, for the last 20 years, taken at least one light aircraft "joy flight," where you go to the airport and hire a Cesna and the pilot. It's expensive, $1500 an hour, but it's better than a holiday to me .
      I think there's still a child in all of us, and I get a big thrill out of being in a small aircraft, and you can see so much more than when you're in a passenger aircraft. But I think I will always want to be "The Red Barron"

    • @Guilhermetmfranco
      @Guilhermetmfranco 2 месяца назад +9

      This is awesome!

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +20

      Thank you for sharing your experience! I'm sure Vampires inspired a bunch of future pilots.

    • @frenzalrhomb6919
      @frenzalrhomb6919 2 месяца назад +9

      @@showtime112
      Oh, for sure. They all flew like a "Bat Outta Hell."
      And, when viewed from the ground looking up, they'd look like a massive bat flying over you, I'd say!
      Just lucky they didn't go "batshit." OOo, Messy!

  • @billmasquelier9208
    @billmasquelier9208 2 месяца назад +160

    I was (an American 14 year old) in Karachi when the war started.
    We sat on our rooftop in a "blacked out" Karachi and watched the jets zoom around overhead. One night my dad light a cigarette and the match flare was the brightest thing out there! A couple of circling jets turned and headed for us. My dad put out the cigarette and my mom herded us all inside. We were evacuated two days later in a PIA 707 with an F86 Saber on each wingtip. Interesting summer!

    • @laulaksiddique6160
      @laulaksiddique6160 2 месяца назад +34

      That was on the 7th September. My cousin was also evacuated that day. Our whole family went to see him off. There were repeated air raid sirens. Finally the Boejng 707 took off during an air raid, and the runway lights came on for just a few seconds. The airplane took off very quickly. I was a child then, but remember everything. There were 7 air raids that night.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +26

      Thank you for sharing your experience! A pretty memorable one, I'd say :)

    • @tryarunm
      @tryarunm 2 месяца назад

      Your jackass of a father provoked a strike that, at the very least, destroyed private property . Did he restore it? Have you?

    • @i-love-space390
      @i-love-space390 2 месяца назад +5

      Smoking will kill you.

    • @tryarunm
      @tryarunm 2 месяца назад +2

      @@billmasquelier9208 oh my god

  • @peterasp1968
    @peterasp1968 2 месяца назад +118

    Expecting a Vampire to tangle with a Sabre which had a 200 mph speed advantage would be like expecting a Gladiator to take on a Bf 109G.

    • @dominiqueroudier9401
      @dominiqueroudier9401 2 месяца назад +6

      Or F4F vs bf109G liké in Spring 1945 in Norway. 4 bf109G-10 or 14 shot down in dogfight. Wildcat pilotes applied thé "Zéro" tactics

    • @sailordude2094
      @sailordude2094 2 месяца назад +16

      I have a feeling Gladiators tangled with Bf-109s in WW2.

    • @wirelessone2986
      @wirelessone2986 2 месяца назад +8

      ​@@dominiqueroudier9401Please be more clear.WHAT happened in the spring of 1945 and where...?

    • @_____Z_____
      @_____Z_____ 2 месяца назад

      2 gb ram power 😂

    • @peterasp1968
      @peterasp1968 2 месяца назад

      @@sailordude2094 Might have but the results may have been just as one sided.

  • @FRIEND_711
    @FRIEND_711 2 месяца назад +26

    Always nice to hear stories about the Indo-Pakistani war, its rather not talked about as much compared to other wars during the 20th century.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +3

      Thanks, buddy! Those are pretty overlooked conflicts (outside of the region they took place in)

  • @StevenMRA
    @StevenMRA 2 месяца назад +40

    Your videos are *incredibly* polished - you've really developed your craft as a video and presenter on your channel. Love the channel and your style of storytelling.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +8

      Thank you very much! This is high praise indeed!

  • @johnsmith-ht3sy
    @johnsmith-ht3sy 2 месяца назад +68

    In the 1970s Rhodesian Bush war Vampires were still in use. Not air to air but air to ground.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +10

      I suppose these guys had a hard time getting any equipment.

    • @johnsmith-ht3sy
      @johnsmith-ht3sy 2 месяца назад +19

      @@showtime112 Yes under sanctions, but their neighbour South Africa supplied them, with parts and ammunition. South Africa also had sanctions, parts for their Mirage jets bought from Argentina, arrived in crates marked agriculture equipment. Sanction busting became a sport.

    • @cvr527
      @cvr527 2 месяца назад +9

      There was no air to air in the Rhodesian war.

    • @george-ev1dq
      @george-ev1dq 2 месяца назад +6

      Ireland used them up until 1975

    • @willy_wombat
      @willy_wombat 2 месяца назад +9

      Switserland used them as trainers till 1990 !
      They were so lovingly maintained that they looked like new. ❤

  • @Bob-b7x6v
    @Bob-b7x6v 2 месяца назад +80

    I saw a Vampire at Willow Run's airshow one year. Hard to believe a jet had that much laminated wood around it. DeHavilland used wood for their aircraft into the 50s.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +5

      Thanks for sharing!

    • @BlackMaria61
      @BlackMaria61 2 месяца назад +8

      into the 60's, Sea Vixen was wood too

    • @TheMVberyl
      @TheMVberyl 2 месяца назад +4

      Not for the Vampire.

    • @george-ev1dq
      @george-ev1dq 2 месяца назад +4

      the Vampire was of all metal construction

    • @BlackMaria61
      @BlackMaria61 2 месяца назад +4

      @@george-ev1dq no it wasn't !! Have you ever seen one? Knock on the front , sounds like a wooden box ! Obviously some bits had to be metal but it used the same wooden construction techniques as the Mosquito, so you had an aircraft which was much lighter than the all metal equivalent with subsequent performance advantages, plus the added advantage of using non strategic materials .

  • @reinharthertz2526
    @reinharthertz2526 2 месяца назад +48

    I don't know about Vampires ... but I worked with some Pakistani pilots at Luke AFB when they were transitioning from the Sabre to the F-16 in the early '80s ... and those Pak pilots still LOVED their Sabres and were reluctant to give them up ... even though they were getting an outstanding bird in the F-16 "Lawn Dart" ...

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +15

      I can totally understand that. Men have a tendency to get attached to their machines 😁

    • @Mmjk14751
      @Mmjk14751 2 месяца назад +12

      ​@showtime112 Funnily enough modern Pakistani pilots have the same attachment with the F-16.

    • @fbve
      @fbve 2 месяца назад +4

      Weird US politics! Why providing F16 to such a country. Inexplicable.

    • @asmetkarzai9796
      @asmetkarzai9796 2 месяца назад +17

      ​@@fbve "Such a country" used to be West's strongest Non-NATO ally against the expansionist Soviet Union.

    • @razor1uk610
      @razor1uk610 2 месяца назад

      @@asmetkarzai9796 ..and yet they are one of the most fundamentalistic nations around, who's citezens largely prefer supporting terrorists & their religious warfare upon anyone they wish, and if they don't get caught doing so; upon their own female relatives for any perceived community infractions 'of family honour'.
      ...while politically are tied to the PRC/CCP & purse-strings, their military ride the fence between PRC & USA harder than the young boys they abuse behind the walls of their religious schools, whom use that abusement to light the flames of vengence upon others not of their religion of abuse.

  • @i.setyawan
    @i.setyawan 2 месяца назад +15

    Cool! Not much content is available on the Vampire, so it's really nice to see them in action.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +2

      Thank you! I'll cover the Vampire involvement in the Suez Crisis as well. Not sure when :)

  • @DraftySatyr
    @DraftySatyr 2 месяца назад +15

    Thanks for a highly professional and entertaining account of this action. I must confess that, in common with most people in the west, I have little if any knowledge or understanding of the Indo-Pakistan wars, so this is definitely a channel I will subscribe to.
    As an aside, it is also a very generous offer to pass on your sales commission from Thrustmaster.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +2

      Thank you very much for your positive comment! If you are new to the channel, check the older videos as well.

  • @TheLincolnshireFlyer
    @TheLincolnshireFlyer 2 месяца назад +33

    Love the Vampire ever since I read The Shepherd by Frederick Forsyth.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +2

      Thank you for the feedback!

    • @voivod6871
      @voivod6871 2 месяца назад +2

      I also read that book about 45 years ago I think it was a very short novel about a ghost plane.

    • @c6h5choh-cn82
      @c6h5choh-cn82 2 месяца назад +1

      I read The Shepherd too in a Reader's Digest copy. Years later I learned Frederick Forsyth composed the story because his wife wanted a ghost story as her birthday present.

    • @GordonDonaldson-v1c
      @GordonDonaldson-v1c Месяц назад

      There is an animated film based on The Shepherd. I watched it on YooChoob. Well worth watching!

  • @sailordude2094
    @sailordude2094 2 месяца назад +5

    Amazing war history, thanks! Christopher Lee was very saddened by the loss of so many of his favorite jets.

  • @patrickcosgrove2623
    @patrickcosgrove2623 2 месяца назад +12

    Didn't know about this conflict, interesting. Thanks for sharing 👍

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +1

      Thank you for watching and commenting!

  • @georgemalesky9462
    @georgemalesky9462 2 месяца назад +2

    Thanks!

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +1

      Thank you very much for your donation! It will be put to a good use :)

  • @Billi-8-m1g
    @Billi-8-m1g 2 месяца назад +44

    Bad day to be a Vampire Pilot

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +14

      You could say it was a bad decade 😁

  • @udayanpaul8042
    @udayanpaul8042 2 месяца назад +6

    Great video for having Sunday evening tea and enjoying as. Both sides had brilliant minds with great talent and training, but at last the tactics of the squadron as well as the individual air warriors played a decisive outcome in every air battle. Many thanks indeed for your kind input.
    'Touch the Sky with Glory '. 😊

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +1

      I'm happy to hear you found the video enjoyable! Thank you for the support!

  • @Bob-b7x6v
    @Bob-b7x6v 2 месяца назад +24

    Those Sabers chopped through the Vampires like chainsaws.

  • @carlhicksjr8401
    @carlhicksjr8401 Месяц назад +3

    This battle happened roughly a year after I was born. Now, I'm a lifelong military historian but I admit that the India-Pakistani battles are a blank spot for me. Being an American, I'm more up on Central America than the Indian Subcontinent.
    These videos help fill in that blank spot and I very much appreciate your work on them.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Месяц назад +2

      I'm glad to hear the videos are useful, thank you!

  • @fretlessed25
    @fretlessed25 2 месяца назад +17

    Thank you for another interesting video. For some reason I find conflicts that aren't between "super powers" with equipment that may not be the latest technology a lot more interesting. Still very brave pilots fighting for their country on both sides.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +3

      Thank you for the feedback! Yes, the lesser known conflicts (at least in the West) can be pretty fascinating.

  • @xray86delta
    @xray86delta 2 месяца назад +2

    Thank you for your videos. There are so many unknown, or forgotten battles of the jet age during the Cold War that were not over Vietnam.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      Thank you for the positive comment!

  • @RealDarko
    @RealDarko 2 месяца назад +4

    This one is new for me! Thanks for making the video.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +2

      I appreciate the feedback! Thanks for being here!

  • @BlackMaria61
    @BlackMaria61 2 месяца назад +4

    Vampires were used till the early 80's in Rhodesia, but didn't face fighter opposition . They were a good aircraft, but the Sabre was over a 100mph faster , it was madness to use them unescorted knowing the opposition they were up against

  • @jpaton4349
    @jpaton4349 2 месяца назад +2

    Fascinating piece of aviation history I wasn’t aware of.... thank you

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      Thank you for the feedback!

  • @Red-rl1xx
    @Red-rl1xx 2 месяца назад +4

    Great video! I like how you choose aircraft and battles in different conflicts!

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +1

      Thank you very much! I feel that viewers want some variety.

  • @mediapartners9950
    @mediapartners9950 2 месяца назад +6

    Another excellent video many thanks 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +1

      Thank you for your support!

  • @notafrog2040
    @notafrog2040 Месяц назад +1

    This fantastic and war thunder’s YT community needs more history content like this
    KEEP IT UP

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  Месяц назад

      I appreciate your support, more stuff coming up!

  • @muslehuddinbilal3548
    @muslehuddinbilal3548 2 месяца назад +14

    I'm much honoured to meet sir Imtiaz Bhatti. What an impressive and exemplary personality. Alas, he left for his final abode a few months ago.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +4

      Thank you for sharing your experience and information related to the topic!

    • @muslehuddinbilal3548
      @muslehuddinbilal3548 2 месяца назад +2

      @@showtime112 i heard the story from sir bhatti

    • @rtx-2099
      @rtx-2099 2 месяца назад +2

      Did he share any tales about his time during the wars?

    • @muslehuddinbilal3548
      @muslehuddinbilal3548 2 месяца назад +3

      @@showtime112 sir Sarfaraz was his best friend and mentor. Sir Bhatti named his elder son after Sir Sarfaraz

    • @muslehuddinbilal3548
      @muslehuddinbilal3548 2 месяца назад +2

      @@rtx-2099 oh yes he did

  • @alejandrocasalegno1657
    @alejandrocasalegno1657 2 месяца назад +17

    In WWII a P-51 did have more chances against a Me-262 than a Vampire with F-86.......

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +10

      Well, maybe. But there was a serious numerical superiority on the Mustang's side which was often decisive.

  • @christopherwebber3804
    @christopherwebber3804 2 месяца назад +7

    Incredibly beautiful backdrop provided by the Himalayas!

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +1

      True, you can't go wrong with mountains in the background 😁

  • @billballbuster7186
    @billballbuster7186 2 месяца назад +9

    Only the initial Vampire Mk3 was classed as a fighter, all other models were Fighter-Bombers used for ground attack. Top speed was only 548mph compared to over 700mph for the Sabre. They should have had fighter escort, Hunters or Gnats, but the Indian Air Force was not very competent and 3 good pilots died..

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +3

      True, fighter escort could have made all the difference. Indian Air Force was somewhat disorganized in this conflict, even their sources are not afraid to confess it.

    • @AbelMcTalisker
      @AbelMcTalisker 2 месяца назад +5

      That would seem to be born out to some extent by the "friendly fire" incident during this mission as well as the misidentification of more Vampires as Canberra`s. This certainly wasn`t the Indian Air Force at it`s best.

    • @MrPoornakumar
      @MrPoornakumar 2 месяца назад

      @@AbelMcTalisker
      True.

  • @JusticeSR71
    @JusticeSR71 2 месяца назад +22

    The South African Air Force operated Vampires...a very noisy aircraft which narrowly skimmed over the roof of our house just after take off...admittedly, I wasn't TOO sorry at their decommissioning 😊😂

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +3

      Well, when you put it that way.... 😁

  • @slimkhalifadogg
    @slimkhalifadogg 2 месяца назад +6

    Sqn Ldr Rafiqui and Flt Lt Bhatti would both be awarded Sitara-e-Jurat for this action.
    Interestingly, as per Kaiser Tufail, the Pakistan Army AA unit in the area did not claim any enemy aircraft in this engagement, so it is suspected that Pathak was shot down by friendly fire.
    Sqn Ldr Dahar would be awarded the Vir Chakra.
    Maybe Sqn Ldr Rafiqui's final engagement could be a good topic for a future video?

    • @dragonstormdipro1013
      @dragonstormdipro1013 2 месяца назад +1

      Highly likely. The start of 65 was a complete surprise for India so confusion was widespread.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +3

      The friendly fire story is quite possible. It's pretty uncertain what exactly the first flight attacked and destroyed as the narratives don't match. Indian ground forces could have fired and hit aircraft attacking their positions.
      As for Rafiqui's final combat, I agree it could be a good topic.

  • @vivek27789
    @vivek27789 Месяц назад +3

    It maybe a controversial opinion and some fellow indians will label me anti-national but after going through a thorough study of overall air campaigns of both Indian and Pakistan Air force I will have to acknowledge objectively that PAF got the better of IAF in 1965 Indo-Pak war in air to air combat.

  • @Gonefishing6572
    @Gonefishing6572 2 месяца назад +2

    Just found your channel and I am very impressed 👏 👌. Please keep it up and real .

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      I'm glad you did! Hope you like older content as well!

  • @agnyr
    @agnyr 2 месяца назад +9

    I can't qualify why, but Vampire is really beautiful bird...

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +1

      The twin booms maybe?

    • @l1a146
      @l1a146 2 месяца назад

      We have a vampire on Display near my Town.
      A very graceful looking aircraft indeed.
      Unfortunately beauty doesnt win wars and they were outdated and outclassed by the Sabres.

  • @ghostb9339
    @ghostb9339 2 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for such an informative video and such non popular conflict.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +1

      Thank you for appreciating it!

  • @JoeCool_1962
    @JoeCool_1962 2 месяца назад

    Excellent vidéo man
    When starting the Vampire engine there was a huge black smoke :)

  • @chups1447
    @chups1447 2 месяца назад +2

    Another great video!

  • @pablopeter3564
    @pablopeter3564 2 месяца назад

    EXCELLENT video about aviation history. Thanks. You bring back this heroic facts of history. Those Vampires weren't a match for the F-86, I wonder what would have happened if instead of Vampires the Hawker Hunter were flown , I mean F-86s vs. Hunters in a dogfight.

  • @chuckcawthon3370
    @chuckcawthon3370 2 месяца назад +3

    Excellent Presentation.

  • @debmalyadatta-j7p
    @debmalyadatta-j7p 2 месяца назад +4

    thank you for covering India Pak conflicts .
    a much neglected theater(as much as flight sims go ! )
    but it remains interesting , because the military standoff continues to this day with advanced aircraft
    the wings over India mod for strike fighters 2 is one of the few available
    it lets you fly the wonderful folland gnat , apart from hunters , sabres , vampires , mysteres , mig 21 , mig 19
    terrain is very basic ,
    hope somebody does a good map someday

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +1

      Thank you for watching and appreciating the content. My hope is that WT introduces a full Indian tech tree. Gnat would be most welcome. And maybe a couple more maps.

    • @debmalyadatta-j7p
      @debmalyadatta-j7p 2 месяца назад +1

      thank you for taking the time to reply
      these re enactments provide me with scenarios to model in mission editors , in il 2 1946 or the sf2 (modded ), sims (that is if and when i get the time ... ). do you use other players to fly the opponent planes in these videos
      ?

  • @mabinogion7023
    @mabinogion7023 2 месяца назад +1

    Rnzaf had a lot of vampires post war. They are common in museums and you can look into the cockpit of one at the wigram museum in christchurch

  • @PappaBear_yt
    @PappaBear_yt 2 месяца назад +4

    Another great video, wish it was a bit longer though. 😉
    👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻🙋🏼‍♂️🍻🍻

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +2

      I'll have to start making director's cut versions 😁

    • @PappaBear_yt
      @PappaBear_yt 2 месяца назад +1

      @@showtime112 😂👍🏻

  • @1stbn8thmar
    @1stbn8thmar 2 месяца назад +1

    This was pretty freaking cool. great work!

  • @johnwilliamson2276
    @johnwilliamson2276 2 месяца назад

    This is the first time watching a video of yours. I’m very impressed with your graphics and commentary. I’m subscribing. 😊

  • @Wannes_
    @Wannes_ 2 месяца назад +1

    01:55 Speed wasn't really the issue, sending Vampires in without fighter escort was
    The A-4 Skyhawk wasn't all that much faster than a Vampire, yet served as a bomb truck into the 21st century

  • @syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811
    @syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811 2 месяца назад +14

    In 1971, during the conflict that led to the loss of Bangladesh, the renowned legendary American fighter pilot Chuck Yeager who was there in Pak at that time acknowledged the exceptional performance of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). Despite the significant numerical advantage held by the Indian Air Force (IAF), Yeager stated that the PAF achieved an impressive kill ratio of 3:1 against its adversaries after himself counting the total downed wrackages. He expressed his admiration for the professionalism and skill exhibited by PAF pilots during this challenging time.
    The PAF's superiority was also evident in the 1965 war, where it outperformed the IAF despite facing overwhelming odds. More recently, in 2019, the PAF showcased its capabilities once again by shooting down two jets including SU30 and mig 21 , reinforcing its reputation as a formidable air force. The consistent excellence of the PAF across different conflicts highlights its enduring strength and professionalism.

    • @silverghost5752
      @silverghost5752 2 месяца назад

      😅Poor Pakistanis citing some obscure paid American source as evidence for their success.. Their Air Force was thrashed in the Eastern sector within the first few days of the 1971 war, and their pilots fled to Myanmar for safety. 😅😅
      Hope the F16 pilot's widow is getting her pension regularly. Abhinandan is still drinking fantastic Indian tea!!😅😅

    • @syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811
      @syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811 2 месяца назад +7

      @Surya-r8j
      My detailed answer to your question.
      Key Points Challenging India's Claim of Shooting Down a Pakistani F-16 and strenghtining Pakistan's claim Shooting down of Su30 along with mig 21 in 2019.
      1. Lack of Physical Evidence: India claimed that Wing Commander Abhinandan ( abhi none done) Varthaman, flying a MiG-21, shot down a Pakistani F-16 during the aerial skirmish. However, no concrete evidence was ever provided to support this claim. No F-16 wreckage, nor any Pakistani pilot-dead or alive-was presented as proof. If the F-16 had fallen in Pakistani territory, as some argue, in today’s age of smartphones and social media, it’s highly likely that someone would have captured and leaked photos or videos of the wreckage. Yet, no such evidence has surfaced.
      2. U.S. Inventory Check: U.S. military officials reportedly conducted an inventory check of Pakistan’s F-16 fleet after the incident. The findings indicated that all F-16s were accounted for, adding credibility to Pakistan's denial of any F-16 loss.
      3. International Analysts’ Investigation: Independent international defense analysts examined the wreckage of the downed MiG-21 and found that none of its missiles had been fired. All missiles were intact at the crash site, debunking the claim that Abhinandan's MiG-21 shot down an F-16. These findings are publicly available and widely discussed in defense analysis circles and available on youtube.
      4. Christine Fair’s Statement: Dr. Christine Fair, a well-known American academic who has often criticized Pakistan, and became a millionare selling anti Pakistan books in India was invited to speak at an Indian military event after sometime of feb 2019. Surprisingly, she openly stated that India's claim of shooting down a Pakistani F-16 was not credible. This statement, made in the presence of Indian Air Force representatives, is easily accessible on RUclips under “F16 shot down according to Christine Fair.”
      5. The AIM-9 Missile Mystery: India displayed wreckage of an AIM-9 Sidewinder missile, claiming it came from the downed F-16. But if that missile was found in Indian-occupied Kashmir. it raises a crucial question: Where is the wreckage of the F-16? If the missile ended up on Indian soil, the F-16 should have also fallen there too. No wreckage or pilot was ever shown, making it highly unlikely that an F-16 was shot down.
      6. Evidence Supporting the Downing of a Su-30: Given the lack of an F-16 wreck, it becomes plausible that the AIM-9 missile recovered on Indian soil actually struck an Indian Su-30, and did not come out of downed F-16. The missile was actually fired by a PAF F-16, downing the Su-30, whose wreckage reportedly fell inside Indian territory.
      7. PAF Pilots’ Public Appearance: Following the engagement, Pakistan’s Air Force pilots, Hassan Siddiqui and Noman Ali Khan, publicly claimed responsibility for shooting down Indian aircraft (MiG-21 and Su-30). They appeared before the media to recount their actions. In contrast, Wing Commander Abhinandan has never publicly claimed to have shot down an F-16, even after his return to India.
      8. Abhinandan’s Silence: Despite being hailed as a hero in India, after getting the so-called veer chakra award. Wing Commander Abhinandan has never publicly stated that he shot down an F-16, either during press conferences or in any subsequent interviews. Given the reported confessional videos made while he was in Pakistani custody, it’s unlikely that he will ever make such a claim in his lifetime, even after his retirement. This silence is telling.
      9. Mi-17 Friendly Fire Incident: After the Su-30 went down, India launched a search and rescue mission using a Mi-17 helicopter. However, in a tragic friendly fire incident showing unprofessionalism of IAF .the Indian Air Force mistakenly shot down their own helicopter with a surface-to-air missile, killing all personnel on board and helicopter's destruction. This error was later acknowledged by Indian military officials and widely reported in the media.
      10. Initial Confusion Over Pilots’ Capture: While initial reports suggested that Pakistan had captured two Indian pilots, this was later revised to just one. There were rumors about the involvement of an Israeli pilot during the conflict, but these claims were never substantiated and may have been kept quiet due to geopolitical sensitivities.

    • @slimkhalifadogg
      @slimkhalifadogg 2 месяца назад +4

      In this engagement Pathak was awarded the Vir Chakra, despite attacking friendly troops and losing all his planes to enemy action, similarly Abhinandan was awarded the Vir Chakra for getting shot down before achieving anything.

    • @syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811
      @syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811 2 месяца назад

      @@slimkhalifadogg so its a norm there 😅. They literally keep their people alive in some kind of a delusional Bollywood fiction like where India is superpower 😅.

    • @slimkhalifadogg
      @slimkhalifadogg 2 месяца назад

      @Surya-r8j 😂😂😂

  • @usmankayani805
    @usmankayani805 2 месяца назад +3

    Excellent video.

  • @JT-io9ii
    @JT-io9ii 2 месяца назад +4

    Outstanding video Showtime! Thank you!

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!

  • @robertmiller1299
    @robertmiller1299 2 месяца назад +7

    This war (as all wars between India and Pakistan) was a tragedy, had it not been for the event of August 1947 it would never have happened. Think on!

    • @faizaziz289
      @faizaziz289 Месяц назад +2

      Not really India Pakistan war happened because of the unfinished agenda of partition by giving Kashmir on a platter to India by British like Palestine given to Israeli settlers from Europe. Until injustice is rooted conflicts would remain to happen.

  • @eduardodeandres3864
    @eduardodeandres3864 2 месяца назад +1

    Excelente trabajo. Me ha encantado. Es verdad que los vampire estaban ya desfasados!
    Gracias!

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +1

      Thank you very much for your positive comment!

  • @Wolf-hh4rv
    @Wolf-hh4rv 2 месяца назад +1

    Rhodesian Air Force used the Vampire successfully as ground attack aircraft. The RAF also had the magnificent Hawker Hunter.

  • @VC_27
    @VC_27 2 месяца назад +5

    Excellent recantation, as usual. I mourn the deaths of these brave souls. Sq. Ldr. Rafiqui of the PAF was a gallant pilot and he too passed away in combat in this war. Rest in peace.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      Thank you for the feedback! Yes, Rafiqui sadly didn't see the end of this war.

  • @peebeedee6757
    @peebeedee6757 19 дней назад

    Of course the DH Vampires were outclassed but incredible to realised that they first flew in 1943, just 3 years after their stablemate prop driven DH Mosquito. Three years! Such was the pace of aero design. This was not so long after the Me262. My father served on a RAF Vampire squadron 1953 to 1956 before being re equiped with Hunters. World of difference.

  • @AdilKhan-bo3lp
    @AdilKhan-bo3lp 2 месяца назад +5

    Excellent stuff
    Can you do some work on How Captain Lutz Israeli pilot and other were shot down in Arab Israel war by Pakistan airforce

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +1

      Thank you! I'll probably explore some of that in the future.

  • @journeymancellist9247
    @journeymancellist9247 23 дня назад +1

    The Vampire was obsolete quickly, but gosh doesn’t it look cool!

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  20 дней назад

      I agree, it certainly has a unique appearance.

  • @briansmaller7443
    @briansmaller7443 29 дней назад

    As a kid the New Zealand airforce Vampires used to do low level passes over our arm house on gunnery and rocket attacks at a target range just off the coast from where we lived.

  • @branka4226
    @branka4226 2 месяца назад +2

    Nice video!, thanks 👍

  • @jakeglanville6835
    @jakeglanville6835 2 месяца назад +1

    I witnessed a mock combat between Vampires and DH Hornets (a twin-engined piston engined fighter) in 1949, and the Hornets were getting the upper hand. So whoever sent them into action against F86 Sabres was, in my view, a criminal!

  • @GadreelAdvocat
    @GadreelAdvocat 2 месяца назад +1

    A modern version of a Vampire with some modifications might make for a Harrier style aircraft. A Harrier-Vampire.

  • @shankynarmada138
    @shankynarmada138 14 дней назад

    Saber was far ahead of the vampires, but the biggest advantage was its machine gun guided by its radar. That's why it has a good kill ratio.

  • @biggiouschinnus7489
    @biggiouschinnus7489 2 месяца назад +2

    Just goes to show how much equipment can matter when the training is equal.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      True. All the training can't help you much if your technology is way behind.

  • @terencewise7349
    @terencewise7349 2 месяца назад +2

    From Terence Wise in UK……..As a young child at school in London we were ordered into the playground every year on Empire Day to watch these Vampire jets flying over.I thought that they looked like bats,I was too young to know that they were bats out of Hell.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      Lots of people share their childhood memories of the Vampire. Irs appearance and sound must have been very impressive.

  • @bjornsmith9431
    @bjornsmith9431 2 месяца назад +3

    Great education video.

  • @muhammads.a.m4727
    @muhammads.a.m4727 2 месяца назад +2

    Make a video on Pak-indo war 3 December 1971.... On Dhaka's sky...

  • @louisavondart9178
    @louisavondart9178 2 месяца назад +1

    New Zealand were still using Vampires as jet trainers until the early 70's. I loved seeing them flying low over my home town when I was a kid. At age 14 , I visited their home base at Ohakea and got to sit in the cockpit of one. I was enthralled... and also by the A4 Skyhawks nearby. I didn't think badly of the plywood fuselages. I didn't know any better....

    • @george-ev1dq
      @george-ev1dq 2 месяца назад

      Vampires were of all metal construction, no plywood used.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      Thank you for sharing your memories!

    • @allanbradshaw3498
      @allanbradshaw3498 2 месяца назад

      Australia used Vampires in the 60s as a naval fighter/ bomber from HMAS Melbourne

  • @daaniyalmasum6842
    @daaniyalmasum6842 2 месяца назад

    Great video. Thanks for this.

  • @taeketuinstra9817
    @taeketuinstra9817 2 месяца назад

    The Vampire was outdated in de 60s, but that didnt prevent the Swiss air force to continue to use them as trainers until...1989! That summer, I saw them practising take off and landings at Raron airfield , near VIsp in the Rhone valley. Great sight!

  • @pablopeter3564
    @pablopeter3564 2 месяца назад

    The Vampires were used in the Mexican Air Force (FAM) during the early 1960s, from 1961 to 1967 to be precise. I had the experience to have flown with former Vampire pilots during my staying in Mexicana Air Lines, and I can tell you that they refered to it as a very limited fighter (range and fire power).

  • @RundSchneemann
    @RundSchneemann 2 месяца назад

    The Vampire was the best jet of WW2 - it first flew in 1943, and some were produced before the end of the war. Absolutely criminal to expect it to compete with any 2nd generation jet like a Sabre over 20 years later.

  • @uutwo
    @uutwo 2 месяца назад +5

    This battle was a wake up call of sorts for the IAF.
    To the point that, 6 years later, the 1971 war would see the PAF humbled beyond belief, and IAF superiority over the then East Pakistan in a matter of days.
    Nice video, and I loved the graphics!!!

    • @usmanqureshi08
      @usmanqureshi08 2 месяца назад +3

      1971 war was in Bangladesh
      PAF still dominates IAF like recent skirmishes where IAF was clueless

    • @uutwo
      @uutwo 2 месяца назад +3

      @@usmanqureshi08 😂😂😂😂😂
      Yeah right. Keep deluding yourself. I wonder how those Indian airstrikes were carried out
      And in retaliation, your F 16s couldn't even get a Mig?😂🤣🤣
      Frankly? The PAF is incompetent at this point

    • @eternalgamer674
      @eternalgamer674 2 месяца назад +3

      This is completely false. Although pakistan suffered a defeat in 1971 the PAF more than outclassed the IAF even while being heavily outnumbered.
      According to Chuck Yeager who flew with the PAF rescue crews and documented the wreckages, the PAF scored a 3:1 ratio of victories to losses.

    • @uutwo
      @uutwo 2 месяца назад

      @@eternalgamer674 it does not matter. The way I see it, the PAF failed in every way possible. So what that they "outclassed" the IAF? They could not provide air cover to the Pakistani Army in Bangladesh; neither could they effectively support the Pakistani Army on the Western Front with India. Otherwise India would have lost large swathes of land. Which again, CLEARLY did not happen.
      It does not matter that they had a victory ratio of 3:1 or something (I have no idea about that, but I choose to believe you). But the primary objective of an Air force is not to win over the other airforce: that is simply part of the larger aim, which is to support ground troops.
      Anyways, the point is this: had the PAF provided effective air support, Pakistan would not have suffered the brutal humiliation that was the 1971 conflict.
      Thus, in my opinion, the IAF outclasses the PAF, simply because they ensure that their country wins over their enemy; not that they shoot down more enemy planes.
      Not to mention, the PAF's F-16s were chased off by some Mig-21s after the Indian airstrikes. That is enough to tell me about the level of the PAF pilots😂😂

    • @choudhury9265
      @choudhury9265 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@eternalgamer674not getting into the nationalist mudslinging - but most of what I have read seems to suggest the PAF claims of superiority are mostly exaggerated - in a way its easier to claim victory in the aerial arena where victory is not always self evident - I wouldn't read much into a paf resource - salvage/rescue missions are carried out over you own territory - so the numbers would be likely skewed

  • @PrimarchMatterion
    @PrimarchMatterion 2 месяца назад +3

    So did World War II ever end? 26 days of no open hostilities? I disagree. I think WW2 is still going on in one form or another. I missed your content. I had an issue with YT and now I am back.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      Good to hear it! Thank you for commenting!

  • @chriscarbaugh3936
    @chriscarbaugh3936 2 месяца назад +1

    There is a two seat Vampire available for rides in or around London. For ~£2200 for a ride I am considering it!

  • @huzaifaniaz7329
    @huzaifaniaz7329 2 месяца назад +2

    Thank you for covering this battle
    Perhpas you can make some more videos on PAF Ace MM Alam's air battles who had some claims (4 IAF jets shot down in 6 seconds) which are not true we know that, but still he managed to shot down more IAF Jets than anyone else during 1965 war.
    regards from Pakistan

  • @johnhammond9962
    @johnhammond9962 2 месяца назад +1

    What is it about September 1st? The start of war season?

  • @davewhyte1977
    @davewhyte1977 2 месяца назад +3

    Great video. Could u tell me if that's a game that u used for the video. I want to get a thrustmaster and play it if possible. Thx

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      Thank you! The game is War Thunder. You can install it and play for free on this link: playwt.link/showtime112
      Regarding flight controllers, WT can even be played without them. Many people just play with mouse and keyboard, especially in arcade mode. But if you'd like to buy a Thrustmaster controller, you can contact me on showtime1112b@gmail.com or any of my social network and we can see what discount you can get for any specific item.

  • @Duke-225
    @Duke-225 2 месяца назад +10

    Could you do an episode on the aerial engagements in the Bay of Pigs invasion?

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +4

      Probably. I've been planning to cover that story as well but I can't say when exactly.

  • @st-ex8506
    @st-ex8506 Месяц назад

    The Vampire was in active duty as a trainer aircraft in the Swiss Air Force until... 1990, and the Venom was used as a ground attack aircraft until 1983!

  • @MrPoornakumar
    @MrPoornakumar 2 месяца назад

    Rare footage! its hard to get vampires on screen, in action. Thanks.

  • @andypandy9013
    @andypandy9013 2 месяца назад +1

    Hardly surprising. The Vampire was very much a First Generation jet whereas the Sabre was a Second Generation jet. Not exactly an even match.

  • @GaryPrice-nv1jc
    @GaryPrice-nv1jc 2 месяца назад +2

    Early 90s they came across an old vampire jet aircraft in a long abandoned hanger at Southampton Airport

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      In the classic car world, they call it a 'barn find'. 😁

  • @paddlesmcbean2366
    @paddlesmcbean2366 2 месяца назад

    Outdated quickly. One of my favourite planes, probably because of childhood memories with my father in the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF).

  • @guyfromfuture1918
    @guyfromfuture1918 2 месяца назад +1

    I was watching a video on the hawker hunter and he said it shot down a F5E tiger 2 but i cant find any info on it can you maybe make a vid on it?

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      I can't say I remember hearing about it. Do you remember which conflict that was? Theoretically, it could have been Iran-Iraq War as some Hunters might have still been in Iraqi service (although probably just for training purposes)

    • @guyfromfuture1918
      @guyfromfuture1918 2 месяца назад

      @@showtime112 yeah he said something about a Iraqi Hawker hunter and a Iranian F5

  • @alexandretownley2079
    @alexandretownley2079 2 месяца назад +3

    Can you please do a video of the Indo-Pakistani war involving the Mystere and the Ouragan fighters

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +3

      I'll probably cover some of that too.

  • @larryswanson5953
    @larryswanson5953 2 месяца назад +1

    I would bet it was more fun to make this video than it was to watch, and it was great. How about India versus the Chinese?

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      I enjoy producing videos, you are right about that. As for the Indo-Chinese conflict, I don't think aviation was actually used there.

  • @NigelHill-mn5nt
    @NigelHill-mn5nt 2 месяца назад +2

    The Indians probably thought that by sending in the vampires 1st would increase there likelyhood of survival by having the element of surprise, while the mysteres could use a higher speed to bug out after their attack

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      It is a possible explanation.

    • @hogginarmocount9562
      @hogginarmocount9562 2 месяца назад +7

      😂😂😂
      I'm Indian.
      Our country was eating 2 meals a day as requested by our PM in 1965 to counter the ban on grain export to us by the US.
      WE WERE NOT A COUNTRY HAVING THE LUXURY OF CHOICES of spending our meagre resources on anything, least of all on expensive weapons like the pakistanis.
      We did what we had to with whatever we had...
      Hell we made the trainer GNAT famous by shooting down sabres with it!
      You should hear about the stories of sukhoi-7s bombing sorties of the IAF...it's a blast to hear about aircraft coming home with broken tails, wings, sidewinders stuck in the airframe and so on...😂😂😂

  • @FoulOwl2112
    @FoulOwl2112 2 месяца назад

    Thank you. Come again.

  • @jimmiller5600
    @jimmiller5600 2 месяца назад +1

    During the after action reports of Germany's invasion of Poland the army said that the air support was only good for attacking Polish targets well behind the lines. Any attempts to have "close air support" resulted in as many German losses as Polish.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      The whole concept was at its infancy. I think CAS only matured in Vietnam (but I might be wrong)

  • @BallisticCoefficient
    @BallisticCoefficient 2 месяца назад +3

    Rhodesia used Vampires in combat as late as 1978 in the ground attack role.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      I've been planning to explore the whole Rhodesian Air Force story. Someday for sure.

  • @CarlosMoreno-dq3kg
    @CarlosMoreno-dq3kg 2 месяца назад +1

    the Vampire pilots were buging out or even they didn't see the F-86 coming, if the Vampires pilots were trained in dogfight maneuvers were going to defense themselves better, the F-86 can't do nothing if it bleeds energy and maneuver at low speeds

    • @chrissearle6176
      @chrissearle6176 2 месяца назад

      The vampire pilots were all shot on their way back home after their missions had been completed. The sabres had all the advantages, hight, position, surprise & most important advantage was the vampires had used up all their ammo & so couldn't fight back even if they'd seen them coming.

  • @ronbishop1068
    @ronbishop1068 2 месяца назад +1

    I learnt to fly in the RAAF in the MK 35 Vampire a nice aeroplane but hopeless against the Sabre and even the Canberra

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      Thank you for sharing your experience!

  • @paulpoulsen8304
    @paulpoulsen8304 2 месяца назад +1

    Great video, what flightsim are your using?

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      Thank you! This one was done in War Thunder. I also use DCS World (and sometimes IL-2 Great Battles)

  • @aaronfitton9076
    @aaronfitton9076 Месяц назад

    There is an airforce base about 50km from where I live and 2-3 times a year a vampire does a fly over the city sometimes with a spitfire that lives at the base as well

  • @lllordllloyd
    @lllordllloyd 2 месяца назад +2

    I will, indeed, "keep watching Showtime 112".

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад

      I'm glad to hear it, thank you!

  • @joeshmoe9978
    @joeshmoe9978 2 месяца назад +1

    Good video 🎬🏅

  • @jdsaldivar5606
    @jdsaldivar5606 2 месяца назад +2

    82ND
    First video of the day...
    Good morning!!

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +2

      Good morning to you as well!

  • @dragonstormdipro1013
    @dragonstormdipro1013 2 месяца назад +2

    Probably the darkest day in IAF history

    • @syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811
      @syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811 2 месяца назад +1

      In 1971, during the conflict that led to the loss of Bangladesh, the renowned legendary American fighter pilot Chuck Yeager who was there in Pak at that time acknowledged the exceptional performance of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). Despite the significant numerical advantage held by the Indian Air Force (IAF), Yeager stated that the PAF achieved an impressive kill ratio of 4:1 against its adversaries after himself counting the total downed wrackages. He expressed his admiration for the professionalism and skill exhibited by PAF pilots during this challenging time.
      The PAF's superiority was also evident in the 1965 war, where it outperformed the IAF despite facing overwhelming odds. More recently, in 2019, the PAF showcased its capabilities once again by shooting down two jets including SU30 and mig 21 , reinforcing its reputation as a formidable air force. The consistent excellence of the PAF across different conflicts highlights its enduring strength and professionalism.

    • @dragonstormdipro1013
      @dragonstormdipro1013 2 месяца назад +1

      @@syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811 Yeager's claims are overblown.

    • @syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811
      @syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811 2 месяца назад +1

      @@dragonstormdipro1013 come on mate , Have some dignity at least. He is a legend and wouldn't have made any bullshit false claim like IAF always do.

    • @dragonstormdipro1013
      @dragonstormdipro1013 2 месяца назад +1

      @@syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811 His claims are bogus just like his WW2 kill claims.

    • @syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811
      @syedsheharyaarhaidersheraz2811 2 месяца назад +1

      @@dragonstormdipro1013 give proofs and then talk otherwise I know truth is bitter

  • @ratagris21
    @ratagris21 2 месяца назад +7

    Nice presentation regarding this conflict. Glad you put it together for the viewers to see. Excellence at its best by Showtime 112. ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇸🏁🇮🇱🇺🇦🔱🌻🏵️💮🌸🌼🏴‍☠️🏹

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +4

      I'm happy to hear you liked this one too, thanks for sticking around!

  • @SabastianMoran
    @SabastianMoran 2 месяца назад +2

    October 24. 2024 - This is an interesting video dedicated to an event and war, mostly ignored by Western military video channels. It would seem that higher command echelons were somewhat at fault in the way they assigned their forces. Loss of life is always lamentable.

    • @showtime112
      @showtime112  2 месяца назад +1

      I appreciate your feedback! It is certainly true that the Indo-Pak wars don't get much attention in the West.

    • @SabastianMoran
      @SabastianMoran 2 месяца назад

      @@showtime112 Mr. 112 😊Thank you for acknowledging my comments. I am a student of Geopolitics, military subjects and sociology, (among other interests😏😊), and as I said. Your videos bring to light events on the sub-continent that many Westerners are not familiar with. I hope to view more of your videos as time permits. Further, I am always looking for people from around the world to communicate with. In order to be less reliant on "legacy media" which has become very partisan in their reporting. Should you start a forum at some point. I would be glad to create an account and engage with other members there. In the meantime, stay well, and as us old Star Trek fans say.. "Live long and prosper."🖖😊