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Jim Cornette's Watch-Along: Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin at Wrestlemania 13
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- Опубликовано: 10 авг 2020
- From Episode 152 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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"the Rock and Austin grossed $50million and never came off the top rope once". God, I miss that era.
Not for their wrestling that's for sure. People love hearing them talk.
@@sonicplys64 Not just talking, they were entertaining in the ring too
Sonicplys 64 Bahahahahahahaha
Sonicplys 64 True, they were average at best as far as wrestling skill goes. But they were both so good on the mic!
@@ryandavis8658 but you still dont get bored during their matches!
You can hear the joy in Jim's voice throughout the match. So much fun.
For good reason too! One of the best matches ever
Lol i knew jim was going to be so happy lololol!!!!!!
Yeah this was greatness for jim cornette in wrestling name two people who can do this match today
Yeah, Cornette loves his profession. I usedto hate him as a kid lol. He was one of the absolute greatest heel managers of all time!
He's one of my favorites now. Looking back i can see how great he was and I can listen to him talk about anything, not just wrestling. I don't agree with everything he says, but it's entertaining to hear nonetheless.
I was at Wrestlemania 13 & loved this match so much. I met Steve Austin in 2007 & told him how I was at the show & he talked to me for few minutes about the match - how he thought they were going to 'stink the joint out' (same expression he used when he inducted Bret into the HOF the year prior). I asked him why he thought that & he said he just didn't think it'd be a good match given the stipulation. I told him it was one of the best matches I've ever seen live & he said, 'I appreciate you saying that.' Such a nice guy 🙂
I just read his reply to you in his voice. Damn Gallows. Lol.
@soabcnsk2012 Thanks! And I agree - it's so crazy to think that he thought the match was going to be that bad.
BEAT DEBRA!
are you from the Chicago area? I am, pretty jealous you saw this live.
@no name He also used the "Stun Gun," which he brought up from WCW.
Bret was like the Batman of wrestling. Serious, versatile, and no nonsense. He was the hero that lived long enough to become the villain.
Vinny daddy that was right on point what u said
That was two-face
@@JoeSmithGOAT lol.
DAMN
@vinndiddy veryy very true man. Thats what makes bret one of my favorites. He was a technician and serious competitor through and through. And his demeanor made a character, even though he was never over the top or anything i never found him boring either. He had an aura and charisma with the way he carried himself and it never felt like he was trying. It came off as his natural personality
This match should be shown in every wrestling school, just like citizen kane is taught in every film class
I agree. Two of the biggest stars in wrestling history doing everything right. Watch and learn
Shane Gallagher yeah I’d agree. Bret beating Taker at Sunmerslam was a big point. Plus the screw job. I don’t think there’s one specific point it started but several.
Best match I ever watched.
Brets promo on the Raw before WM 13 is the start of the Attitude Era.
He shoves Vince to the ground, addresses him as the boss and swears on live TV.
One of the most memorable moments of wrestling from my childhood.
@Shane Gallagher yeah, you could make that argument. There was a time when saying ass was a no no lol.. not too long before this, but both were throwing it around the night after this like and or the lol. I'd say it really went full swing after the Montreal Screw Job.
This match:
- Strong in-ring psychology
- Great selling
- Amazing blade job
- A successful Double-turn
- Overall an exciting submission match and one of the best matches of all time
You're missing 2 more which shows you how amazing this match is
-Red hot crowd
-One of the most climatic finishes to one of the Greatest matches ever
@ClownPrince 2702 that aside with the streak Undertaker once had
@ClownPrince 2702 I think Mania 21 if I'm sure
I think Their match at survivor series was just as good
@@adammccallion86401 more thing: Great commentary.
Hearing Cornette talk about this match, Austin and Bret talk about this on Austin’s show, hear JR and other old school wrestlers talk about it-you can hear them all dial it up in their excitement. It is no doubt one of the best matches in storytelling, execution and effort, easily.
Absolutely. In my opinion, one of the best matches in the history of the company.
Still my favorite rivalry ever
@@Kwert In the history of wrestling. Period.
“Wrestlers would be better off today if they watched more Bret Hart and less Shawn Michaels!”
.... which is like saying “Rappers would be better off today if they listened to more NWA and less Future!”
....As obvious as good advice gets.
Shawn may have been a dick but you can’t deny he’s the greatest performer in wrestling
Tom 00 I would argue it, just from sheer ability to carry a feud. Michaels could perform, could bump, his promos were kind of the same. But he never really was able to carry a long term feud because of it didn’t go his way or wasn’t with his buddy he quit on it.
@ $750,000 a year for 4 years, great work if you can get it.
Will Smith Shawn had more charisma in his pinky than bret
Cornette's passion for the wrestling business makes it more enjoyable.
Even years after his last management job or behind the curtain job he has the same passion as he did in the early days of the midnight express... this is why I watch his channel religiously
At around 01:44:25 of network, Steve threw Bret out on wrong side but Bret had to adjust and get to the other side of the ring where the bell was placed earlier. Bret saved the spot.
Bret was impeccable in the ring. I bet there are hundreds of instances like that where he just had the coordination and know-how to make everything flow seamlessly despite a little hiccup.
I don't understand people who say there was nothing flashy about him. He was a grounded and realistic wrestler for sure, but he created tons of cool visuals like the Figure-4 on the turnbuckle.
Definitely the best (for me) in the ring.
@@xziggy_stardustx6786 watch summerslam 92 there is a spot where bret comes over the top rope and lands on the bulldogs shoulders and he turns it into a neck breaker. The real spot was bulldog was meant to catch him and smash him against the ring post. Another is there is a popular spot from wm12 where shawn comes off the top rope but he is going to far and would of landed on the barriers but bret breaks the fall. The list is endless where he thinks on the fly and it looks amazing but he don't get enough credit for it
Watching this gives me joy and breaks my heart at the same time.
Wrestling used to make people suspend their disbelief because the promoters and wrestlers cared. It will never be like this again. It just can’t. All we have now are the memories.
Thank you Steve Austin and thank you Bret Hart for your contributions to this industry.
"Wrestling used to make people suspend their disbelief because the promoters and wrestlers cared."
to an extent, fans are at fault as well.
I mean, think about how ridiculous it is that the fans that are the most rabid about it (the "die hard" fans) seem to be the ones that are mostly like to chant "this is awesome" instead of cheering on their favorite (as if the outcome of a match, even if it's a (supposed) heated feud, doesn't matter, as long as it's a good spectacle).
@@xxxaragon if you are chanting this is awesome. That means the wrestlers aren’t doing their job.
Perfect comment buddy. F'n perfect.
I miss these watch alongs, wish Jim would do more of these. Old school fans like myself enjoy the professional breakdown on events we saw live growing up.
I fell in love with Steve Austin's work when I first saw him in WCW in 94. Bret was when I started watching wrestling in 1990.
This is one of THE great matches of all time.
This is one of the greatest performances and live storytelling I have ever seen. Best match ever.
@Hybrid Eye78 dude are you high all state arena or what is was called back then rosemont center in rosemont illnois it was packed what were seeing when you watched
For WWE matches, I'd probably go with Savage-Steamboat from WM3. But, this one was certainly a great match as well.
Hybrid Eye78 I couldn’t disagree more. I don’t think Hogan vs Andre is that great of a match. It’s spectacular, and it’s a landmark moment, but it’s not that great on its own. I also disagree with the money aspect. I think what matters in a wrestling match, just like with any other form of story, is creating meaningful emotion and thought in the viewers, which usually results in a lot of money but not always. I think how much a match makes money is a measure of its success, but not a measured its “greatness”. Finally I would like to add that this match is incredibly successful money-wise. Stone Cold couldn’t have gotten over on that level and moved that much merchandise without this match. Scsa merchandise? That’s money.
Best match ever? Yes I agree it's the best I've ever seen. I don't care what Meltzer says Omega v Okada isn't on this level. Sorry neither Okada or Omega are on these guys level.Never will be.
Hybrid Eye78 I’m sure loads of fans have seen it. It’s pretty much the first match you get recommended when you get into wrestling. I still have my WWE network subscription because of this match, and I’m pretty sure that’s the case with a lot of people. And look, it might seem like I completely shat on it, but Hogan vs Andre is great. It’s one of the defining moments in all of wrestling. I’m just saying: if you had no idea who Hogan and Andre were and would become, it wouldn’t be anything to write home about. I don’t think this is the case with Austin vs Bret.
And as far as business goes, you seem to have a very faulty idea of what makes a financially successful match. WM13 didn’t draw because the crowds were not the previous PPVs. After this match WWF started drawing more crowds if I’m not mistaken. And you also have to take into consideration how this match pretty much made the biggest cash-cow in the history of the business. They were selling SCSA video cassettes with his blood soaked face from this match as their cover. Can you imagine how much money was made off those tapes, let alone the horde of other Stone Cold merchandise that was sold?
When you watch matches like these, it's hard to imagine Bret could ever have been a face. He had such a brutal in your face heel style. No mercy in his punches, at everything he did.
Ik what you mean. Watching this match makes you believe he’s just a hard nose asshole but that’s cause his feud with Austin brung it out of him (well the hit man character). But he was great face too.
@@kant5696 But I feel that in the ring Bret always came off like a heel. The way he threw his punches, the kicks, etc...And I will say the same with Scott Hall also and maybe even Benoit. Such brutal offense. Sort of the opposite of a Ricky Steamboat who while badass, was always a clear face cause of how graceful he was. They all started as heel and I'm wondering if they shouldn't have changed their style when they became faces the first time. Cause they wrestled the same way as both heel and face.
Johnny Skinwalker I always saw Bret as a face because he was so technically sound that he would win clean and you would buy it cause of how good he was. Benoit I saw as a heel cause how sharp or rough his style was (his snap suplex for example). Scott halls razor persona sold as a heel through his video clips before his debut. But eventually he turned into “he’s so bad he’s good/cool”. But honestly these guys were good to pull off both in my opinion. Their styles in the ring didn’t change drastically but I guess it’s psychology like cornette said. It’s the lil things you do to sway the people
same with Piper...guy was brutal and you could tell never lost that heel sort of style in ring.
@@Zeke1379 yea I agree
How many lames like to talk about how Stone Cold wasn't a good wrestler. They just don't get it. It's not about how many moves you can do.
Austin was a great wrestler depending on who he was in the ring with....
His best matches were with rock, bret and Steamboat back in wcw.
He had some good ones with Jericho and angle... but the totality of his WWF career anyway....it was mostly about his character than his matches
Yeah. Bret always mentioned what a great worker Austin was.
Nathaniel Baxter exactly. Before the neck injury he could go. But the injury limited him on what he can do. But today if you can’t hit 50 super kicks or do 100 backflips or take an bump that puts you and your opponent in unnecessary danger then you’re boring.
@@madddoggnogood1491 in ring wise, nothing will beat his 01 run imo.
His matches with angle and beniot that year (among others) were killer.
@@TheTennesseeFistMachine of course.. but austin is one of those who just has great chemistry with certain people....he cant have a great match with just anyone.
Angle, jericho,Bret, hbk , and imo rock from 99-2003 could have a great match with a broomstick.
Austin needed the right opponent..
The most iconic single image in wrestling history is Austin with his blood covered face in the sharp shooter
Bret vs. Bulldog in... 95 or 96 was the bloodiest match before this. Bret was pouring blood, and the white portion of Bulldog’s tights were blood-stained. You guys should review that!
Marcus Lee 95
Pat Patterson vs Sgt Slaughter in 1981. No referee street fight where sarge nearly bled to death. Search for it.
IYH 95, severely underrated match
When brian was trying to remember thats when i said bret vs bulldog while diana was crying in the audience
I enjoyed the IYH match more than their Summerland 92 match.
I love how Jim Cornette covered the psychology of this match and pro-wrestling as a whole. This is why a Bret Hart is a better asset than a Shawn Michaels.
Exactly. Bret places a strong emphasis on ring psychology. He would have been perfect being the Head of Creative because he knew how to set up matches/angles. For goodness sake, look what he did in his match with Davey Boy Smith in Summerslam '92. Also, in his match with Steve Austin in Wrestlemania 13. It was Bret's idea to add blood in their match to make it more interesting and to establish Austin as the toughest S.O.B.
@@michaele.francis Yes, he always brought something to the table. I remember he was actually the one who brought up the ladder match that eventually ended up being HBK Vs Razor Ramon.
@@lioicxc6827 What people also didn't know is that it was Bret who got in Vince's ear to hire Steve Austin because Bret saw something in Austin that Vince did not see as yet.
Its kinda like the Arn Anderson / Sid Vicious analogy. Shawn might potentially draw a lot of money in one night, but Bret will draw you consistent money for years.
@@AvatarOfGames Very true !
Meltzer: "Uh... this uh... match was... uh not better... uh... not better than... uh... anything that... uh... Kenny... Omega... Cody... uh Rhodes... uh the... Young... Young... uh Yyyoung... Bucks... or uh... Okada... have... uh ever... done. This match... was uh... over... uh rated... and uh... I uh... did not uh... uuuuuhhhh... enjoy the... uh part where... uh Steve... uh is... uh bleeding. I think... uh... that's... unnec... uh ess... uh ary. It worked... uh... when Cody and... uh Dustin... did it... because... uh... they... were... telling a... uh story. Bret and Austin... uh... had no... reason for... uh blood.
You earned this like, cowboy
Did he really say this? Or is that just the type of shit meltzer says to put AEW over? Serious question
@@kant5696 the fact you can't even tell sums up Meltzer these days
Uh...uh...uh....uh.....uh......
ChiGuy251 😂 damn, I mean I’ve only heard slight whispers on stuff he’s said but I didn’t know it was that bad lol
This match led to a great run in WWF after getting destroyed by WCW vs NWO angle and would continue for rest of 1997 although wwf would cut it little by little. My all time favorite match at Mania and one of the most important matches imo.1997 was a great year.
WCW kicked their asses in ratings up until around the middle of 98'...
This match truly combined pro wrestling with fighting and sports. It always felt like a REAL fight, desire the trappings.
SO good.
Wait, Charlie from Starkville, Missippi? THE Charlie from Starkville Missippi?!? Are you actually real? I figured you were a Russian bot or an Indonesian Mail-order Bride service. Anyhow, really do agree on this match - NOTHING like this in 2020. No-one ever again working like Austin and Hart, no-one ever being their character. And these watchalongs... gold. Third time of listening 😀
You guys are the balls. Loved this so much! Austin's look direct to the camera during his entrance is pure Attitude. The entire match is just a master class in story telling. Ah god, so epic
His wrestlemania 13 entrance is more entertaining than the past 2 years of raw. The look he gives to the fans and pulls his arm away while doing the bmf walk 🐐
Ya forsure everything about this match is just amazing. From the entrances to the exists...just perfect
This match is a masterwork of in-ring storytelling, atmosphere and perhaps the most neglected ingredient today and that is that gritty, raw, violent feel. It didn't look rehearsed or overly planned so it was as crisp as possible, it all came off as spontaneous as though these were two guys that simply wanted to hurt one another. So many guys today just go from one spot to the next, there's no brawling or struggle or looking like they "earned" that spot. The best part about this is how Bret Hart and Austin show why they're worth their praise since they wrestled a much different match from their Survivor Series encounter and it made sense in the context of their feud.
It was also a great advancement of Bret's character who went from the archetypal babyface into a self-righteous heel that was disillusioned by the rapidly changing landscape around him. Like a proud knight becoming a terrorizing zealot.
Best match ever. When non-wrestling fans ask me what wrestling is about, I recommend this to them.
I wouldn't recommend this one because of the finish. I never bought the "pass out from the pain" finish. But is an amazing match indeed.
@@Paancy21 I want you to be bleeding so much it's pouring down your face then let someone put you in a legitimate hold and I want to see how long you last with losing blood and extreme pain from the hold.
@@Paancy21 what match would you recommend?
@@spetterman2916 yeah, but you forgot this isn't a real fight, and the sharpshooter isn't a hold that can easily been put on. So chill.
@@FirebrandOP I don't know now. I was thinking about after reading this comment. I believe Savage vs Steamboat. Or Bret vs Owen at WrestleMania. Is a tough question.
This has always been my favourite match of all time. The psychology, the actual work rate (not what marks call "work rate" nowadays), the excellent demeanour showcases and the amazing storytelling. They played the crowd so, so very well.
One of the greatest wrestlemania matches of all time
In my opinion, the best match of all time. Better than savage and steamboat.
@Hybrid Eye78 aye calm down ric flair
Hybrid Eye78 why do you keep repeating yourself in comments?
@@jay_1212 consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative
@Hybrid Eye78 lmao the industry was down as this point so barely anything from the WWF was drawibg. If it was not the NWO it was not drawing big and this match shits on anything the NWO was doing at the time.
The match is a classic weather you like it or not 💯 most experts on the business rank this match highly.
Bret Hart really did have some of great matches in that era
Also his heel promos were some of the best ever
@@powerking23 Bret's promo work was vastly underrated, even as a face. While he wasn't Flair or Dusty or somebody that could go out to the ring and carry a 10 minute promo his pre match promos or quick 2 minute promos that they used to cut during the "event center" were really good because of how real they felt. They made you believe that he really hated his opponent and/or the title he was defending meant everything to him. His pre match SS92 promo against British Bulldog is a perfect example of this, if anybody watches that and thinks that he is a "bad promo" they don't know what a good promo truly is. That was masterclass.
@@mattthomas1442 "You never met me? You dont know me? ?" loved it
@@topupmusicmanagement1695 Agreed. He pulled the shades up and said "look in my eyes and tell me you don't know me." Great stuff.
Bret Hart was simply OUTSTANDING! Simply the BEST!
On my Mount Rushmore
Truly is the GOAT.
Best there is , best there was...
These are just so great, especially when you cover guys like Hart and Austin.
Today's fans probably think this is boring match. No this is pro wrestling by 2 legends, no clown show here folks
Not enough superkicks and run-ins by actual children for today's wrestling fans, I'm afraid.
@@Dr170 or too serious for today's comedy sports entertainment
This IS Professional Wrestling
I showed this to a friend who didnt know wrestling. He was very entertained by it.
The thing is, if I was called "boring" by someone like Meltzer or whatever Kenny Olivier fan on Twitter, then I would take that as a badge of honour. I would know I was doing my job properly.
Outside of thinking the title could add interest into a cold Sid vs. Undertaker match, I can't understand how Vince didn't see this as a WrestleMania Main Event. Hottest angle at the time, legit badass celebrity referee, & 2 workers you knew would steal the show.
That old “title goes on last, no matter what” mentality
@@shanestephens4728 I remember back in the mid 90s the WWF Title was at the halfway point of the show or not always last.
Tim Kabatra
Hogan apparently started that to get to the hotel to catch room service.
Going on last fucking sucks, but to be fair it was one of the rare times I escaped ring duty, so 50/50 I guess
@@shanestephens4728 That's actually what boggles my mind because Bret WAS the champ not long before WrestleMania 13. He won the title at In Your House 13: Final Four just a few weeks before WrestleMania, but lost the title the next night on Raw to Sid due to interference from Austin, who was the 1997 Royal Rumble winner (in controversial fashion, hence the main event of IYH: Final Four).
So Bret drops the title, Austin doesn't get his title shot, & we get a WrestleMania that outside of this excellent match is best remembered for Sid shitting himself & Ahmed Johnson trying to steal a pair of the Road Warriors' shoulder pads.
@@shanestephens4728 Vince didnt always suscribe to that, though. Bret vs Owen Summerslam 94 cage match didnt go on last, Macho Man vs Flair didnt.go on last, Bret vs Diesel King of the Ring 94, Yoko vs Hogan KOTR 93, and countless other examples.
The "Who sells anymore?" era
That's the new name for modern wrestling
Better than rest hold walk around and pose, rest hold and pose some more of the old era.
Ricky Bobby Roode that’s better than high spot high spot finisher false finish flip flip flip
@@rickybobbyroode9814 As bad as that really old stuff was at least they were wrestling and not performing cheer leading routines.
And the guys that do "sell" nowadays don't do it properly, not like how guys like Bret and Austin do. Bret didn't get a chance to really show his selling skills in this but imo nobody was better at selling. People like to point at guys like Hennig, Ziggler and HBK as great sellers and at times they are but to me I think they just oversell to the point where it looks comical and fake. Bret sold like it was real.
You rarely saw him completely motionless when he was selling cause if he was motionless and knocked out why wouldn't the opponent just pin him then? So it doesn't make sense, so Bret would sell like he was in agony, conscious but in agony. He'd bend his spine back, kick his legs or role around in pain to show how hurt he was but he wouldn't just lay motionless unless he was playing "possum". He also wouldn't do a complete flip on a punch, which defies the laws of physics and completely insults the viewers intelligence like oversellers like HBK and Ziggler do.
@@mattthomas1442 I agree, overselling has always been a grip of mine, it's entertaining, I don't hate it all the time and sometimes it works, but people calling that "good" selling gets on my nerves. I especially hate it when (modern)Cena oversells every punch/kick like its a megaton knock out blow.
I always find it funny when you hear people who said then and now that the NWA style would never work in the WWF etc. Yet the greatest match in WrestleMania history and one of the most important matches in WWF history is a match that is textbook straight out of the territories grudge match.
Also, when Bret took the bump to the floor, he didn't take the blade from his wrist tape, he actually spat it out his mouth. Bret was an artist with the blade and I know he wasn't the only one to keep it in his mouth but considering how safe he was with everything I always felt it was unnecessary and dangerous for him to do so.
Another thing missing in today's wrestling is tension backstage in promos before big matches. You can tell 95% of guys today have never been in a real fight in their lives. In any combat sport you can almost taste the tension backstage on fight night, yet watch AEW which is supposedly "sports based wrestling" and the guys are goofing off in promos before matches. Everything about the products today scream that none of these guys actually have been in a real fight or been around anyone else who has. Just a bunch of kids playing wrestler in their PJs on moms mattress. That's what AEW looks like.
Man this is so fucking true. Very few men left in the business today. Just geeks who grew up wishing they were Austin or the the rock and living out their fantasy.
Everybody (in reality/backstage)is too nice, everything (within the product) is too idealistic and there is absolutely no edge to it what so ever.
Bring back An Austin, Hogan, HBK, Nash, HHH attitude. Some real fucking guys to mix it up, get in the boss’ ear and change the. Fucking pile of pussy shit with PC CRY BABY fans who would rather be social justice warriors to keep their online reputation in tact than see the best possible product.
Life long fan - we’re taking ‘89 onwards, been to mania, have wrestling tattoos.. but FUCK today’s product. WWE AND AEW. FUCK THEM.
and soon AEW will do what the majority of fans ask for. Like they always try to do. But without copying WWE by just ending anything that gets criticism. When some shit talker starts doin promos on the bucks for being too silly and no respecting the business, and force them to change their spotfest to something more akin to what we just heard/watched with Bret vs Austin, people will still bitch and complain. Majority of AEW wrestlers are not flippy goofy like the bucks. eventually they will work that into an angle. People have no patience.
@@cobrakai83 see. at least this guy gets it. shit on both or neither. The good days ARE gone.
also...You been to mania man. im happy for you. always wished i could. never been to a televised event. Wrestling Tats eh? im curious whatchu got?
you gotta admit, i get the feeling you may enjoy watching The revival work. FTR. the way they tell the story in a match is fluid. near perfect. i really want to see them vs Lucha Bros. just once at least.
idk maybe u dont like them either, but wrestle oldschool style. their ring psychology and awareness. A+ in my books. Held back so much in WWE. cool name in The Revival but, no good runs.
@no name i dont think that ever happened. But i bet thats because they stay consistently aware of it being in their mouth. Im not even sure how they keep it there at all. Wrapped in what? placed where? How big? How do they safely keep it from moving around? so much to consider with such a minor but important piece of the theatrics
@no name it would be better than what we get now. I would much rather have NWA style matches everywhere done correctly and everyone get used too used to them than what we get now which everyone doing some kind of gymnastics routine every single match with 90 false finishes and God damn exhausting to watch. That would be a much better option. I do understand what you're saying, though.
I love these watch alongs. This is one of my favorite wrestling matches & rivalries ever.
these watch-a-longs are very entertaining thank you brian and jim!
This is the first watchalong of Cornette's I've listened while watching.
I need to check out some of the rest. Already loved this match but appreciated it even more when Jim's pointing out what it was they were doing that was so smart.
I always find it amazing how many people got pushes and title shots and title runs after they wrestled Bret because Vince thought they were way better than they were because of how good Bret made them look
Are you suggesting Austin wasn't good enough?
He was hand picked by Bret because of how good he was and, unlike Bret, Austin didn't just have the wrestling skills but was also GOAT on the mic and was charisma personified.
After Savage Flair and before this bloody gem, Bret and Bulldog had a bloody 5 star match at In Your House in December of 1995.
Even their match at Wembley. As bad shape as Davy boy was in.
Bret vs Piper at WM8 was also overly bloody for the era
Strange Bret and flair were able to bleed on the same PPV. Back then Vince didn’t really roll with it. I wonder how they both got the ok to do it
They didn’t; think Flair got fined, Bret just told Vince it was hard way
Tom M ahh ok. I think I do recall piper hittin Bret hard af in that match and I figured he was trying bust him open that way, but that’s the only time I’ve ever seen it done like that before.
Brets was very convincing whereas Flair was overly obvious. Theres a really funny Year 1992 Shoot on youtube about it , Bret is really funny
@@kant5696 Bret was an artist with the blade. You'll never catch Bret gigging himself the way you see many others, including some great workers like Flair. It wasn't even until Bret's book came out when I actually knew for sure the moment in the match where he cuts Austin.
Funnily enough, I always thought Michaels was great at hiding when he was getting colour. Michaels used a very effective technique in that he would cut himself just before he took the bump or shot. Then that way you're not seeing him go anywhere near his head afterwards then the blood comes. It's subliminal and very effective. You can see him doing this at Bad Blood when Taker posts him into the cage over his shoulder. Michaels giggs himself just taking the bump and then when the blood comes it looks so organic and legit.
I'm glad you guys watched this. It's still one of my favorite matches and probably my most watched/rewatched Wrestlemania match. It's such a satisfying match and both of them are just so amazing in this.
The line of this whole episodes - actually the best live I’ve ever heard Brian mention - is that wrestling would be in a better place today if today’s wrestlers watched more Bret Hart than Shawn Michaels. And I love Shawn but it is so true. Hart’s work is impeccable in this match - best there is, best there was, best there ever will be, no fuckin doubt.
Also JC was right about the juice spot - it was just so well done that even Cornette couldn’t pinpoint it.
and it's easy to see why, since Michaels' style is so much flashier and "in your face".
Don't forget WM12. An hour time limit draw that held the crowds attention. Bret Hart was amazing. Shawn Michaels was amazing. The two together was magic.
It’s not true Shawn sold better, was a better worker, and drew more don’t you find it odd that 10 of the best wrestling matches of all time involve HBK at least 3 times or how about he’s an innovator first Hell in a Cell, first Ladder match first Elimination Chamber he was creative, and was overall better, Brian last opinion on wrestling is about as reliable as cheap toilet paper.
Bret had so much presence physically, looked badass in bright pink, and I think his promo was subdued instead of being kinda rough back in the early 90s. This is the match I tell people to watch if they don't get Bret, it's two guys who wanted to prove they're all time greats and they proved it. I love this match.
immaculate. i've seen this match more times than any other, more times than i can even bother guessing, but corny puts it over so well, and articulates so well the things i love about the match that i'd never be able to express like he does, that it makes me love and appreciate this match even more. two of the all time greatest workers both showing why they're among the GOATs and giving the fans the best match in WM history. these watchalongs are awesome, i'm starting to realize the reason i've enjoyed them so much is because they're hands down the best way to watch pro fuckin' rasslin' these days, instead of the goofy-ass sports entertainment that you'd otherwise have to subject yourself to if you still wanted to watch wrestling in this day and age. i hope TGBL and corny do a hundred of these.
Greatest match of all time
Yes. Their match at survivor series 96 was Also an absolute classic
I really love that one "I Quit Match" between Rick Flair and Terry Funk in 89 just because I mean, terry funk really just steals the show every time he's in the ring even with Rick Flair.
C W to each their own. If that’s your opinion that’s fine, but I don’t think that match has aged well. I actually preferred Bret vs Owen as match of the night at WM10
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Wasn't the only real highlight of the match just that one elbow from the ladder that Micheals did?
Nathan Sanders now it looks like an average ladder match
I love listening to Corny react to these matches. He has such a vast knowledge. I remember being a kid and hating him because he was a heel manager, and now I know why, and thank you Jim for making wrestling come to life.
I’d also like to point out that he’s spot on about his observation on why wrestling seems so stiff nowadays. The spot calling over the memorized spots. Damn. So much to learn just by listening to to him talk through a match.
Cornette is a wrestling Gem 💯
JR really was amazing putting Austin over at the end. Jim says this was the moment that made Austin with the visual of him in the sharpshooter but JR really took it to a new level when it was happening.
"Wrestling would be better today if kids watched more Bret Hart and less Shawn MIchaels."
Yes. Thank you for saying this.
These watch alongs are great, please continue doing them!
Really loving these watch alongs. Please keep doing them :)
Greatest wrestlemania match of all time
Either this or Bret/Owen at Wrestlemania X.
Love how Bret kept attacking the leg through out the match
I hate when they (older or modern wrestling mostly modern) hit a body part one or two times and then it's submission time.
You're damaging a grown persons leg not baby calf, it should take more than that.
Ring psychology is a lost art these days with modern wrestlers.
Watch Yuta x Gresham on ROH.
Brilliant analysis of character psychology after the match
The blood running down when he screamed and got in Steve's teeth greatest industry ending ever.
That was the cover picture of wwf magazine that month
@@Wide_leaf_indica710 I got to watch this as a young man. Greatest moment in wwe
2 things from this match:
1. It took me *years* to figure out Bret was the one who bladed Austin. I swore for a while that he was legit busted open and it just enhanced the finish.
2. The exact moment that they made the double face/heel switch was when Austin recovered from the chair on the ankle spot and hit Bret with the chair as Bret was climbing the turnbuckles.
You are exactly right about number 2. I get chills when he hits bret with the steel on top of the rope...
Bret knew how to do it. He bladed in his IC title match at Wrestlemania vs. Piper. They weren't fined because Vince couldn't figure out how they did. Flair was fined in his match against Savage, because you could tell.
@@brewer921 Eeesh. I know what you're saying, but I don't know if he did it right against Austin, unless Austin took some kind of blood thinner before the match. That amount of blood wasn't normal.
The last time i saw someone sell amazing from the match that even got me legit believing that he was hurting was Brock Lesnar selling his leg for AJ Styles after being in the Calf Crusher and the way Lesnar sold it when he caught AJ for the F5 and then selling it when leaving. That was the last great selling of wrestling I have seen. And that is just sad.
Literally my favorite wrestlemania match of all time. The double turn and importance of that changed the course of the WWE for years to come. Too bad they can't realize how the simplicity of this is how to draw legit money again and make legitimate superstars
greatest WWE match of all time.
IMO, no offense.
Brets match with bulldog was pretty close but I agree. They made shit into gold
No offence taken, totally agree
Thats a WW(F) match...which is why it was so damn good and agreed as well...one of the best top 10 top 20 whatever in Vinces wonderland
Definitely on WWE's mount Rushmore.
Top 5 with Savage / Steamboat, Bret / Bulldog , Savage / Flair , HBK / Diesel (IYH 96) no doubt
The Hitman and Stone Cold were so great together in the ring... watching them you could easily believe that they genuinely hated each other...
I miss the old days when referees would get involved and physically have to get in a heels face on a rope break, etc. it just made it look more realistic
It can still be done. The referees are still there to be used, the difference is that too many guys today are too preoccupied with how many moves they can do rather than perfecting their craft as as pro wrestler by doing things such as you just mentioned.
Or when they would double-check to make sure both shoulders were on the mat...
This was the most personal and intense match of all-time. This match made you believe they were beating the shit out of each other.
Personally I think WM13 was highly underrated! I know Taker vs Sid wasn't a classic, but I was excited to see Taker as champion again after 6 years and as a babyface! And my friends and I all popped for the Road Warriors vs NOD streetfight! And of course, what more can you say about Bret vs Austin?! There aren't any moments like that in wrestling today I'll tell you! Even though you had Mankind and Austin 3:16 and ECW invasions in 96, Bret vs Austin at WM13 felt like the birth of the Attitude Era to me!
...and I can't believe Corny couldn't remember the previous really bloody WWF match before this match, considering he was in the match! Bulldog vs Bret from In Your House December 95.
Mystery is gone in entertainment. Not just wrestling but everything. You can thank social media and the smartphone for that.
One of the greatest matches of all-time...did the full watch along, first time I’ve watched the match in years. Just awesome.
Greatest Match of All Time.
the reason why the wrestlers of today prefer shawn michaels is because it's much easier to do a moonsault off the top rope to the floor then it is to punch or kick someone in the face without hurting them and actual wrestling holds and submissions are seen as boring garbage, does anyone in aew have an established submission hold?
Dr Britt Baker and her mandible claw?
@@peterdickinson4599 i like her but i was thinking about the male wrestlers
Jungle Boy has the snare trap. But good point not many have submissions.
@@Matthew-LAMF i thought shawn spears looked way cooler with a blonde mohawk
Such a great match, and with two of my favorite wrestlers of all-time! Thank you for doing this watch along, Jim.
Great An The Turn of the Tide’ they always Crashing into ‘ Finkle all The Dam Time 😂🤠🤣🤣🤠
This was my first time ever watching this match in full. Totally underrated portion: How the camera crew stopped showing the Hart family and crying babies for Bret midway through, and letting Austin finish the story of a new born anti-hero. Goddamn brilliant.
Watching this match makes me miss the old days. Back when in-ring psychology was more about actually hurting your opponent than flipping and flying everywhere without it doing anything cause the guys would stand up immediately afterwards. Austin/Bret selling the moves, even after the match is over with Austin selling the leg. god damn why cant wrestling be this good again?
JIM PLEASE keep doing these Watch-Alongs. They are fantastic and your passion bleeds through so strongly in your commentary.
You're a wrestling treasure, dude! Lol
I remember watching this match live . Man was it great . The double turn was well done and cemented Austin as THE guy in the company.
The fact that this match is STILL talked about to this day is testament to the careers of these two hall of famers. This matched Austin and Bret's heel turn was genius.
HBK acting like a bitch in 1997 was the best thing to happen to WWE. I can't believe I actually missed him when he left.
People nowadays don't get That's the only reason guys like Randy savage were able to map out their entire matches was because they could do it without letting on that it was completely planned out.
The guys who think that's normal don't have that ability nowadays
This is my all time favourite match. Absolute class
On a side note that LOD/NOD match that followed that Brian is talking about was actually pretty good. Obviously get's forgotten about due to having to follow Bret/Austin but on it's own it was clearly the 2nd best match on the card.
Ahh the passion Jim has for realism in wrestling is just incredible
The only debate left is which bret hart match is the greatest wrestling match of all time
Please do more! My favorite thing to look forward too in this very odd time in life. I will watch every one multiple times if that gives any incentive. :)
Probably my all time favorite wrestling match.
Thus match made started the Austin Era!! I cried when Austin passed out to the sharpshooter... he is my favorite thanks Brett!!
I'm 46 and have watched and enjoyed wrestling as far back as I remember. This match was and is still the hotest. Jim Cornette you know this business and have taught me do much about it over the years, thank you .
please do more of these "Watch-Along's"! great stuff
Somebody get Bret/Austin/Cornette/Vince in a room and talk about this build up, the match, and the follow up.
Holy shit, such an amazing match they have a separate section for the LOSER walking to the back because it turned him into a mega star. Simply amazing
I watched this a few days ago for the first time in years. I had my father over the house and my wife decided to join in as well. She was hooked. My dad started to remember the program all over again and was explaining it to my wife as to why they were beating the crap out of each other (which I had long since forgotten about). She cringed in pain during the nut shot. My wife isn't a wrestling fan at all but she did enjoy this match. It still holds up in 2021.
The first time I saw the figure 4 around the post was Bret Hart against undertaker at the Royal rumble
Its refreshing to see no superkicks, no jumping into a crowd waiting to catch you, actual realistic selling and in ring psychology and storytelling. Fucking brilliant
The unenthusiastic glasses give away is awesome foreshadowing.
I missed this WM, wasn't really watching wrestling around that time but JC has just given me the play-by-play. Much appreciated.
Bret giving that guy the finger to the face of that fan on the way out was so good
One of the greatest matches of all time
The one of biggest false narratives or "mandala effects" in wrestling is that Austin instantly became this giant star after the KOTR 96 promo when that simply wasn't the case. Austin did not get popular overnight, hell he was on the pre show at Summerslam that year wrestling Yokozuna. It wasn't until he called out Bret in late October 96 and eventually feuded with him where he became popular. Bret MADE Austin. The vast majority of the fans didn't care about Austin's schtict until he started to doing it with the then biggest star in the company and most beloved wrestler.
Plus even though Bret won both of their high profile matches (SS96 and this one) Bret made sure Steve looked like a million bucks in both, and he always made sure Steve got the upper hand in backstage fights or pull aparts on RAW which made Steve look like a badass. Yeah Steve would've eventually got over as long as WWE didn't just totally screw it up but Bret expedited that big time and launched him even higher and quicker than it would have been otherwise. That's why to this day Steve holds Bret in such high regard cause he knows how instrumental he was to his career.
100 percent and as a austin fan it's impossible to not respect what bret Hart did for him and his career by putting him over that massively and we got one of the best matches ever due to the story they both told and this is what made Austin the megastar he became as you rightly pointed out.. Bret has to take a massive amount of credit for austins rise to superstardom and this wasnt even the main event at mania but man did they steal the show that night
Yes, the feud with Bret in late 96-early 97 made him a main event mainstay. Bret and Austin were also friendly backstage and Bret realized that Steve had star written all over him, which is why he picked him to feud with when he returned in October. Bret also said in an interview Austin pleaded with him to come back because Shawn was an idiot and a poor locker-room leader.
But, at least after KOTR 96, fans did start taking notice since Austin was given a lot more time with the mic. I always found it strange that Marc Mero was actually picked to become IC Champ that summer despite Austin being a vastly superior worker and talker (he carried Mero to a very good match at KOTR no less).
I had The Best Of Wrestlemania on VHS in 99' and during the intro it shows Austin's face bloodied to a pulp writhing in pain. From both men involved, LEGENDARY SELLING!
Lmao when Austin kicked bread in the family jewels JR said that was all the way down in Saskatoon loool
Greatest wrestling match off all time
It's up there, man. Idk if this one or Savage v Steamboat at Mania 3 is the BEST, but this is probably my favorite
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That one is also really, really good and up there, like you said.
I'd place Bret vs Owen in Wrestlemania 11 at the top 7 of the best Wrestlemania matches. Maybe top 4.
Bret Hart vs Mr. Perfect Summerslam 1991 plz
25:14 right WrestleMania, wrong match. Hart v. Piper there was quite a bit of blood, also there was a lot of blood in the Hitman v. Bulldog match in DEC-1995.
this and the Austin promo before Survivor Series against Bret too are fucking legendary classics