@@herrtichy The logic seems that you may be visiting friends or family that have an outdoor power plug, but don't have an EV chargers. Plug in overnight and you have enough juice to get back home. Definitely not a replacement for "proper" higher speed charging port, but nice addition while the EV charging networks slowly expand.
For the price of the base Panda(25K) you can get the Inster with a bigger battery(49kWh), heat pump, heated battery, V2L and much more. This new LFP platform from Stellantis has dreadfully slow charging speed in the winter(max 30kW) because it doesn't have battery heating and also the consumption is very high(160-170 range in winter).
As the former owner of a 1976 VW Rabbit (Golf everywhere else), a 1990 Honda Civic Wagon and the current owner of a KIA Soul, I have a thing for boxy cars. Boxcars are wonderful for package and make city driving easier because it is easy to know where the car's extremities are.
Living across the pond, I will never see this cool little car over here but, as a Frenchman, I can see this darting around little French villages, driven by the farmer's wife etc. A 2CV type EV. I was incredibly surprised at the cool little interior. Great review, as always!
10:24 This has nothing to do with the Fiat directly but why do car makers waste so much space with the center console? This is just my personal view but with EVs especially there is no transmission tunnel or gear shifter needed so why keep the claustrophobia vibe? The gear selector can be on the dashboard or on a stick like the indicators. Some say it's to give a cockpit feeling but I like being able to move over from one seat to the other inside the car. I miss how old cars felt so roomy on the inside and yet they were smaller than modern day cars.
Yes l agree, so many big SUV's have almost cramped front seat areas. My Nissan Z12 cube has semi bench seating in the front, and you can move from the drivers seat to the front passenger seat fairly easily, handy at odd times. Column shift ( CVT controller) and foot 'handbrake' ensure a flat front floor. This all makes the car seem much more spacious 😊.
Our Ioniq 5 has a lovely flat floor, so the wife plonks her bag in the space where the console would be. The new Panda isn't on a dedicated EV platform, so has a tunnel to accommodate the exhaust and other ICE gubbins.
Actually it does have something to do with the Fiat: This is a platform shared with hybrid models (and probably designed with a 4x4 model in mind, so a transmission tunnel is required), meaning some of that "chunk" is a side effect of those shared underpinnings.
I usually have two gripes with Stellantis EVs. 1: they cost way too much and 2: the batteries are too small. Clearly, 1 has now been dealt with. They are entirely reasonable in price. Love the steelies. Sadly 2: not so much. Still too small. I know everyone seems to call these "city" cars but they aren't, they are often small but only cars so the minimum range really needs to be north of 200 miles no matter what the car. But I think it's a great effort by Stellantis. Everyone's Ver 2/3 EVs which are starting to flood out onto the market are going to set the transition alight in 2025.
True, however, even a short range car at 100-120 miles to a charge is still more than enough to not be classed as a city car. Just expect to stop once or twice in a journey. 200 miles would be optimal, but the old women across the road from doesn't know how to get out of first gear and some how grinds away to get to the shops... this car would be perfect for her as she never goes more than 5 miles on a journey.
My Leaf has a 150 mile real world range and it's perfectly fine. I've put nearly 7k miles on it in the last 6 months and rarely have I ever wished it had a bigger battery.
I think the 100kwh charging makes it not infuriating when you need to take a longer trip. Its the ien thing thst lets the dacia spring down. Small battery snd slow charging. This is small battery, but its relatively quick charging, so tou can go and visit the grandkids twice a year. I do think its cars kiek this though that gives evs a bad wrap. But its a bit undeserved as most people dont need more, they just think they do. My mother in law, has never diven her car kore than 5 miles form her house, she refuses to go on a motorway. She drives ro work and the shops. If they are going somewhere, my father in law drives his car. For people liek that. The spring and this are perfect. She curenty drives a 2009 ford ka she got from new. A second hand ev in about 4 years would be perfect as a replacemt. There will be lots of cheap town ev cars by then.
As long as they can rapidly charge the second point becomes mute, most people only drive 20 miles a day so its perfectly reasonable and if you're going on an occasional trip fast charging is more important than range. Doesn't seem that any of their vehicles are capable of fast charging though
@@animationcreations42 yep, we have a 2017 Leaf, the dealer installed a new 40kwh battery summer of 2024...it is now an even more awesome car as it came with a 30kwh. We have put 9000km on the new battery (122,000km on the car) we use it primarily as our grocery getter and day to day car. We've even done a couple Windsor to Toronto trips with it - about 350km - excellent car! Our main car is an 2022 Ioniq5 which we have put 78,000km on in 18 months of ownership...never going back to an ICE vehicle! Cheers Mike 🇨🇦
One thing outrages me the most if it comes to EV pricing. I don't know how it's in UK but in Poland where I currently live this little Fiat starts from around 22.000 pounds that is whole 6.000 pounds more than it's ICE/hybrid counterpart. Coincidentally it equals to current average EV subsidy that ranges from 4.000-8.000 pounds depending on your circumstances. According to global data about difference in EV manufacturing costs compared to ICE cars it shouldn't cost more than 19.000 pounds. Basically European car manufacturers use government subsidies just to line up their pockets while EU imposes tariffs on Chinese EV's to make sure that richest families in Europe get richer at the expense of all others. Fun fact I went to my local Stellantis dealeship to see this new Panda. It's multibrand dealership selling all Stellantis brands available in Europe and Chinese cars as well. So when i got there I saw that they have: 1 Fiat (500E) 1 Opel (Astra) three Peugeots (208; 308; 508) none of other Stellantis brands and a buttload of Chinese cars raging from this small Leap Motor EV to those huge 7-seater electric SUV. More than 15 models on display.
Big alloy wheels are the dumbest automotive trend I can think of. More expensive, less fuel efficient, worse ride quality, worse handling and easier to damage, all for the benefit of... NOTHING! The trend can't die soon enough.
I'm encouraged that at last we are seeing some great design and affordability re-entering the car market. Who needs a 2.5 tonne "lorry" that costs £60k and does less that 3m/kwh! A design cul-de-sac that I hope we are exiting.
Totally agree. A lot people rarely do long journeys and don't have £60k to spend. Also, a lot of families/ couples have two cars, so don't need two cars with a long range.
My silly plug-in hybrid filled a need. It converted my daily commute to all-electric, yet still gets me to and from my snowboarding hill 200 km away, where the only way you can plug in is if you're a hotel guest. Up until very recently, there were no fast chargers anywhere near it, or along the way. That said, it will be replaced by a proper EV when its time comes. 🇨🇦 is still sadly behind on things...
Canada is 30 years behind in almost everything. I lived in Vancouver and rented cars to go to grand forks, I tried to rent a electric car, it was almost impossible to go there with an electric car. Almost non charging stations.
@@JackScarlett1Our silly plug in sees not only all work mileage covered by electric but thanks to outdated thinking in the UK, all paid for at the petrol rate of 60p a mile. If I'd gone EV they'd pay me 8p. It's a no brainer for me.
I do love how they did the panda badge on the hatchback, it looks fantastic, and the squares in the headlights look great. Maybe on the second hand market if any are left
I love white steelies! I used to simply spray paint my Suzuki SJ410 (1980s Jimny) every few years. Proper tyres too, not low profile breakables like on my delicate (but sexier looking?) purple Zoe. Sure it's not like the 1980s first ones that rusted through the doors in a year and a half (that I advised my friend to buy...umm, it was fun though). Think I'd probably prefer my Zoe on the motorway? I think the new panda looks better in the Pop Green or Yellow.
Cute - Love the Panda! Good to see it still being marketed. Cannot put in words how sick to death I am of nasty crossover SUV's.I really wish this and the Renault every success, hope they have more sales than they can make, and massively undercuts Ford with their stupid Capris, loathsome Pumas & vile Kuga's.
A thought on the lazy throttle, it could be by design to make the car safer in an urban environment. As it takes a while to fully accelerate it gives the driver a bigger window to react if there's a sudden hazard.
Probably right, but they might tweak the mapping if people complain about it. I find our Ioniq 5 rather tricky to maneuver in tight spaces, as the throttle is a little aggressive for inching into parking bays and the like. So softer mapping would definitely help in some situations.
I’m smitten-it looks unbelievably rad. Clean design, small size, silly but utilitarian interior. Would be a delightful little commuter or city runabout, even in the US. Although they’d probably need to sell more than the…one… I would buy, so makes sense why it’s staying on the other side of the Atlantic.
I have an EV with single phase 7.4kw OBC and I don't miss the optional triphase 11kW. If I charge it overnight I have to slow down the charge or it will be full in less than 6 hours. 11kW is neither slow nor fast.
@@theagentsmith good for your single example - you're lucky to have a 32A continuous setup at home. It's rare and expensive. But if you go on a public 11kW "charger" you will get only 3.7kW (because it's 16A). Same on a double charging pole with shared power if you're not alone. Luckily 22kW are becoming the norm, but where I live, the supermarket or train station parkings are often at 11kW, meaning 3.7 on the front plug. Good thing the rear OBC is tri.
Thanks Jack. Try the Dongfeng Nammi BOX and then, try again for the best affordabl EV . . . . It is over 4 meters long, has V2L, 200mls range, 12,8"screen and 5" screen, WORKING sofftware, 360 degrees camera, heated and cooled driver seat, level 2 ADAS, 17" aloy wheels . . . .and lots more.
Wow! Duracell as a sponsor? You guys hit it big this time 😁 Also I'm totally test driving this new Panda.. and the Hyundai Inster..and maybe the R5.. again 'Wow' EV's taking off eh?
I remember when the original Panda came out in the seventies. It was fun, cheap, practical and economical. It looks like Fiat/Stellantis have returned to these principles, even though some might baulk over the price. It really is cheap for an EV, but maybe leasing is a better option?
I absolutely love when a car has the power you need with the pedal to the floor, but with a big range of articulation for low speeds. sometimes in stop-and-go traffic, if you can drive at a very precise speed it will make you flow through the traffic jam much more smoothly. whenever my hybrid is in ev mode i enjoy this quite a lot, and i hate driving cars with big gas engines for this reason. if i was a nascar driver i wouldnt feel the same way
love this review and this car. the practical, utilitarian simplicity of this car is true innovation. thanks, Jack! Panda 4x4 EV: yes, please. Bring this to the USA, Fiat.
You know what this would be? The perfect car for parents for their kids to borrow to learn in and keep them out of too much trouble while they do those crucial first couple of years of driving. Just like the earlier Pandas. Well done, Fiat. Make mine a full-EV 4x4, please! 🐼
Now that’s good. It really does seem to do exactly what it’s meant to do. I had - way back - a 3 year old Mk1 Panda, a shade of red. It was utterly brilliant, absolutely basic but tough as old boots. A very clever design, beautifully executed. Completely reliable as well in the 4 years I had it. Strangely enough my friends called it a ‘Happy Car’. It’s downfall back then of course? Rust. Ancient history now but back then, inevitable. And this one has steel wheels: yes! Well done FIAT/Stelantis. Great review.
I do wish more people would mention the Ignis having the box tiny SUV feel. I feel like that was the car that kinda started it all ( YES i might be very wrong ) The design was odd back then but looking at most small SUV's now. I can't help but notice the shape being so close to the Ignis and back then Hatchbacks were the rave but now it's tiny SUV's.
I used to own a Panda and currently drive two EV's so of couse I'm excited about this car. Must admit that my eyes hurt a bit when I saw all the shiny plastic and neon yellow trim in the cabin though.
That’s gonna be a fantastic car for the learner market. I quite like a soft throttle map for day to day driving. Loving the steelies!!! Hopefully it’ll be the Punto of its day!!
I just checked, and Canada is not among the 60 countries getting this little beauty. No surprise there. I've always thought that the AC charging cable should be on board instead of hanging on a post to be destroyed in one way or another. It would make having AC charging a cheaper proposition for businesses, landlords and municipalities.
Why do car makers think that "not completely miserable' back seats are in any way OK? This car - like others in its class - is declared to be a five-seater, yet three of the five will travel in cramped discomfort every time, with a (considerate) tall driver also forced to compromise. Bus passengers, theatre goers and even airline economy classers wouldn't put up with it for a minute. It's a flagrant design failure, and we should stop giving mfrs a free pass. There shouldn't even have to be a Jack Test. A seat accommodates an adult and her legs without contortion, period. Otherwise, it's a shelf. Calling it anything else is essentially a fraud.
are you earnestly saying that 100 years of small-car heritage should have been erased? That people who very seldomly need more than one or two seats should somehow not be able to purchase a car like the Grande Panda that offers good space for two, reasonable space for two adults and two children, and emergency room for five? Very odd.
Yes this, it seems that all cars are made for small people these days. I'm 1.90 and my 2 kids are also getting bigger. I was looking at a Hyundai Inster which has the leg room and height, but they made that care very narrow so I'm always with my shoulder against the side pillar. Also only 2 seats and seatbelts in the back so no 3rd child allowed in the back. Stupid, I only want a simple electric family car for the city, guess I'm gonna need 2 cars now.
I think the “C” button in the latest Stellantis cars turns off regenerative braking. By default, the regen is on. Still very entertaining video as always! 🤗
Ok this is better than I thought it would be. The Inster just edges it, but we need to see the brat pack up against each other - eC3, R5, Inster, Leap C03, and the Fat Panda head to head someday soon.
If Stelantis actually did with the new Panda as was with the original, removed all the silliness and the stuff that car-media reporters gets blinded by, keeping the car simple and effective as Giugiaro originally intended, this car could be a lot cheaper and most likely a lot more reliable. And Stelantis and reliability is something that needs to improve.
I know it comes down to cost and trying to keep the prices down, however, I don't need a large car but do need probably a real-time range of 250 miles. I love this new Panda and had one years ago was a wee mountain goat and was just a great wee thing to throw about. Love the new Renault 5 too, sadly they just don't do enough real range miles, I wish they could do these smaller cars with larger ranges. Not everyone needs or wants a massive car or SUV, although may still do longer journeys than just pottering about the city.
I think E-C3 for comfort and affordability, Grande Panda for funky design. It's important to keep in mind that this Grande Panda has only two trims ("Red" and 'La prima") while the C3 has three ("You", "You Plus" and "Max")
The annoying thing is you don’t want a super tight modern car for the modern day road the roads especially in England are so bad you actually need a vehicle with a little bit of suspension. James May. Top Gear said the worst thing nowadays for Monday cars is a Nuberg ring Because everyone wants to go flat out everywhere but unfortunately life isn’t like that and especially in England the roads are so bad at the moment you need a vehicle with the business suspension is a bit big for my liking, I think the seat mii Volkswagen up all those that’s a size car I don’t want a big car. I just want a small car but one little do as a minimum 190 miles on a charge one you can use as a serious motor car and not just an ornament in your driveway Michael from England
If you have to hedge your bets because of global, developing market reasons just doing hybrid and EV and skipping plug in is a good approach. Better still if the hybrid is Nissan ePower, MG hyflbrod approach with the motor just being a generator so the car is EV designed first with the petrol tacked in after.
These manufacturers have got to sort out their EVs. A Huge market is via Motability in the UK, for drivers under 25 the cut off is cars under insurance group 21. Currently that means for EVs under 25s have a choice of Proace Verso, Berlingo, Combo Life - all essentially the same car, a Fiat 500 and a VW Mokka. No they cant have a Dacia Spring thats group 22 (FFS!!) Similar with the e-C3 too. Theres a massive market waiting to be tapped just get an EV at group 21 or under. It's ridiculous that you can have a 7 seater Combo but not the Dacia Spring for example.
The Renault 5 being priced as low as it is while being built in France from parts brought from around less than 300km from the factory makes it even more an amazing car for me 😮🔥🐓🇫🇷
I would guess the throttle response is set for city driving. You need smooth controlled starts from city traffic lights, not a LeMons start or you will go right up the back of the car in front.
If Jack says its got roll, then its got roll and slab-sided means cross-winds and other vehicles passing at speed may move it across lanes. Wonder if the suspension is stiffened in the model with the larger battery.
Better effort here than on their Jeep and Dodge EVs here in the US. Bring subcompacts back as EVs and it'll carve out a niche. Make the batteries easy to get to and the car easy to work on and mechanics will be much more willing to work on them as well.
Why do car companies hate the average car driver ... Why is it so hard to give use 350km of real world range ... 44kwh ... They seriously don't want people to buy it.
Probably because the average driver only covers a fraction of that distance in normal use; The average American for example covers less than 50 miles *per day*. That figure is lower almost everywhere else in the world; In the UK - the target demographic of this video - it's a mere 20 miles, for example. I thought we'd already settled this argument: That range anxiety was just that; Anxiety, and not rooted in reality.
I appreciate you for risking your life and going to Silent Hill for this review.
😂😂
that cable is really cool as a secondary charging method i'm thankful there's still a charge port
Unfortunately it seems that the cable comes with a downgrade from a 11kW 3 phase charger to a 1 phase charger, at least when you order it in Germany.
yes, I was relieved too.
@@herrtichy TBH considering overnight charging you should cap the charging rate anyway, so 1 phase EU is not such a big deal
@@herrtichy The logic seems that you may be visiting friends or family that have an outdoor power plug, but don't have an EV chargers. Plug in overnight and you have enough juice to get back home. Definitely not a replacement for "proper" higher speed charging port, but nice addition while the EV charging networks slowly expand.
@@andrelam9898 That's a type 2 plug though, isn't it?
For the price of the base Panda(25K) you can get the Inster with a bigger battery(49kWh), heat pump, heated battery, V2L and much more. This new LFP platform from Stellantis has dreadfully slow charging speed in the winter(max 30kW) because it doesn't have battery heating and also the consumption is very high(160-170 range in winter).
Shame it's ugly as sin...(I know looks are subjective!)
Worth clicking Like for that opening gag alone. Thanks for the laugh Jack!
That throttle map is perfect for new drivers....and their premiums!
113 hp and 1500kg has the "chill mode" covered already.
As the former owner of a 1976 VW Rabbit (Golf everywhere else), a 1990 Honda Civic Wagon and the current owner of a KIA Soul, I have a thing for boxy cars. Boxcars are wonderful for package and make city driving easier because it is easy to know where the car's extremities are.
Weird
Living across the pond, I will never see this cool little car over here but, as a Frenchman, I can see this darting around little French villages, driven by the farmer's wife etc. A 2CV type EV. I was incredibly surprised at the cool little interior. Great review, as always!
Merci!
the 2CV EV is a cert isn't it ?
You could see this car in 2050!!
@@JackScarlett1 avec grand plaisir!
@@ianrob4760 I hsve seen restomod/conversion and maybe some musings about it. Would be a smart play by Citroen.
10:24 This has nothing to do with the Fiat directly but why do car makers waste so much space with the center console?
This is just my personal view but with EVs especially there is no transmission tunnel or gear shifter needed so why keep the claustrophobia vibe? The gear selector can be on the dashboard or on a stick like the indicators.
Some say it's to give a cockpit feeling but I like being able to move over from one seat to the other inside the car.
I miss how old cars felt so roomy on the inside and yet they were smaller than modern day cars.
Amen. Unless it's a sporty car, i want an open plan cabin! As long as there's still a convenient cup holder.
Yes l agree, so many big SUV's have almost cramped front seat areas.
My Nissan Z12 cube has semi bench seating in the front, and you can move from the drivers seat to the front passenger seat fairly easily, handy at odd times.
Column shift ( CVT controller) and foot 'handbrake' ensure a flat front floor.
This all makes the car seem much more spacious 😊.
Our Ioniq 5 has a lovely flat floor, so the wife plonks her bag in the space where the console would be.
The new Panda isn't on a dedicated EV platform, so has a tunnel to accommodate the exhaust and other ICE gubbins.
The plasric sarcophagus feature, . . . . , makes the cabin seem smaller.
Actually it does have something to do with the Fiat: This is a platform shared with hybrid models (and probably designed with a 4x4 model in mind, so a transmission tunnel is required), meaning some of that "chunk" is a side effect of those shared underpinnings.
I usually have two gripes with Stellantis EVs.
1: they cost way too much and
2: the batteries are too small.
Clearly, 1 has now been dealt with. They are entirely reasonable in price. Love the steelies.
Sadly 2: not so much. Still too small. I know everyone seems to call these "city" cars but they aren't, they are often small but only cars so the minimum range really needs to be north of 200 miles no matter what the car.
But I think it's a great effort by Stellantis. Everyone's Ver 2/3 EVs which are starting to flood out onto the market are going to set the transition alight in 2025.
True, however, even a short range car at 100-120 miles to a charge is still more than enough to not be classed as a city car. Just expect to stop once or twice in a journey. 200 miles would be optimal, but the old women across the road from doesn't know how to get out of first gear and some how grinds away to get to the shops... this car would be perfect for her as she never goes more than 5 miles on a journey.
My Leaf has a 150 mile real world range and it's perfectly fine. I've put nearly 7k miles on it in the last 6 months and rarely have I ever wished it had a bigger battery.
I think the 100kwh charging makes it not infuriating when you need to take a longer trip. Its the ien thing thst lets the dacia spring down. Small battery snd slow charging.
This is small battery, but its relatively quick charging, so tou can go and visit the grandkids twice a year.
I do think its cars kiek this though that gives evs a bad wrap. But its a bit undeserved as most people dont need more, they just think they do.
My mother in law, has never diven her car kore than 5 miles form her house, she refuses to go on a motorway. She drives ro work and the shops.
If they are going somewhere, my father in law drives his car. For people liek that. The spring and this are perfect.
She curenty drives a 2009 ford ka she got from new. A second hand ev in about 4 years would be perfect as a replacemt. There will be lots of cheap town ev cars by then.
As long as they can rapidly charge the second point becomes mute, most people only drive 20 miles a day so its perfectly reasonable and if you're going on an occasional trip fast charging is more important than range. Doesn't seem that any of their vehicles are capable of fast charging though
@@animationcreations42 yep, we have a 2017 Leaf, the dealer installed a new 40kwh battery summer of 2024...it is now an even more awesome car as it came with a 30kwh. We have put 9000km on the new battery (122,000km on the car) we use it primarily as our grocery getter and day to day car. We've even done a couple Windsor to Toronto trips with it - about 350km - excellent car!
Our main car is an 2022 Ioniq5 which we have put 78,000km on in 18 months of ownership...never going back to an ICE vehicle!
Cheers
Mike 🇨🇦
One thing outrages me the most if it comes to EV pricing. I don't know how it's in UK but in Poland where I currently live this little Fiat starts from around 22.000 pounds that is whole 6.000 pounds more than it's ICE/hybrid counterpart. Coincidentally it equals to current average EV subsidy that ranges from 4.000-8.000 pounds depending on your circumstances. According to global data about difference in EV manufacturing costs compared to ICE cars it shouldn't cost more than 19.000 pounds. Basically European car manufacturers use government subsidies just to line up their pockets while EU imposes tariffs on Chinese EV's to make sure that richest families in Europe get richer at the expense of all others. Fun fact I went to my local Stellantis dealeship to see this new Panda. It's multibrand dealership selling all Stellantis brands available in Europe and Chinese cars as well. So when i got there I saw that they have: 1 Fiat (500E) 1 Opel (Astra) three Peugeots (208; 308; 508) none of other Stellantis brands and a buttload of Chinese cars raging from this small Leap Motor EV to those huge 7-seater electric SUV. More than 15 models on display.
love them wheels. i hate alloys. it's like they were designed to get damaged and cost us money.
reminds me of the 106 Rallye, love em
Big alloy wheels are the dumbest automotive trend I can think of. More expensive, less fuel efficient, worse ride quality, worse handling and easier to damage, all for the benefit of... NOTHING!
The trend can't die soon enough.
I'm encouraged that at last we are seeing some great design and affordability re-entering the car market. Who needs a 2.5 tonne "lorry" that costs £60k and does less that 3m/kwh! A design cul-de-sac that I hope we are exiting.
Totally agree. A lot people rarely do long journeys and don't have £60k to spend. Also, a lot of families/ couples have two cars, so don't need two cars with a long range.
My silly plug-in hybrid filled a need. It converted my daily commute to all-electric, yet still gets me to and from my snowboarding hill 200 km away, where the only way you can plug in is if you're a hotel guest. Up until very recently, there were no fast chargers anywhere near it, or along the way. That said, it will be replaced by a proper EV when its time comes. 🇨🇦 is still sadly behind on things...
Canada is 30 years behind in almost everything. I lived in Vancouver and rented cars to go to grand forks, I tried to rent a electric car, it was almost impossible to go there with an electric car. Almost non charging stations.
Fair, that's a pretty perfect use case for PHEV!
@@JackScarlett1Our silly plug in sees not only all work mileage covered by electric but thanks to outdated thinking in the UK, all paid for at the petrol rate of 60p a mile. If I'd gone EV they'd pay me 8p.
It's a no brainer for me.
I do love how they did the panda badge on the hatchback, it looks fantastic, and the squares in the headlights look great. Maybe on the second hand market if any are left
I love white steelies! I used to simply spray paint my Suzuki SJ410 (1980s Jimny) every few years. Proper tyres too, not low profile breakables like on my delicate (but sexier looking?) purple Zoe. Sure it's not like the 1980s first ones that rusted through the doors in a year and a half (that I advised my friend to buy...umm, it was fun though). Think I'd probably prefer my Zoe on the motorway? I think the new panda looks better in the Pop Green or Yellow.
I'm waiting for the Venti Panda
Cute - Love the Panda! Good to see it still being marketed. Cannot put in words how sick to death I am of nasty crossover SUV's.I really wish this and the Renault every success, hope they have more sales than they can make, and massively undercuts Ford with their stupid Capris, loathsome Pumas & vile Kuga's.
A thought on the lazy throttle, it could be by design to make the car safer in an urban environment. As it takes a while to fully accelerate it gives the driver a bigger window to react if there's a sudden hazard.
I think probably yes. But maybe a wee bit tooooo lazy.
Probably right, but they might tweak the mapping if people complain about it. I find our Ioniq 5 rather tricky to maneuver in tight spaces, as the throttle is a little aggressive for inching into parking bays and the like. So softer mapping would definitely help in some situations.
I have a soft spot for steel wheels and this has won me over.
I’m smitten-it looks unbelievably rad. Clean design, small size, silly but utilitarian interior. Would be a delightful little commuter or city runabout, even in the US.
Although they’d probably need to sell more than the…one… I would buy, so makes sense why it’s staying on the other side of the Atlantic.
That front charger inlet is single phase only 😞 Happy to see ok-sized tyres and steel wheels ! Interesting and funny video !
I have an EV with single phase 7.4kw OBC and I don't miss the optional triphase 11kW. If I charge it overnight I have to slow down the charge or it will be full in less than 6 hours. 11kW is neither slow nor fast.
@@theagentsmith good for your single example - you're lucky to have a 32A continuous setup at home. It's rare and expensive.
But if you go on a public 11kW "charger" you will get only 3.7kW (because it's 16A). Same on a double charging pole with shared power if you're not alone.
Luckily 22kW are becoming the norm, but where I live, the supermarket or train station parkings are often at 11kW, meaning 3.7 on the front plug. Good thing the rear OBC is tri.
I bet a lot of people will drive it less than 10 miles a day. How long does it take to charge on single phase to cover 10 miles of driving?
Thanks Jack. Try the Dongfeng Nammi BOX and then, try again for the best affordabl EV . . . .
It is over 4 meters long, has V2L, 200mls range, 12,8"screen and 5" screen, WORKING sofftware, 360 degrees camera, heated and cooled driver seat, level 2 ADAS, 17" aloy wheels . . . .and lots more.
Indeed Naomi box is much better, inside and out
If you put a stair in the top the car can achieve 600 km range and 300 km/h. At least in Brazil!
If you do that to a white one, it will have a 2,000km range and the specs of a McLaren Senna hypercar!
My original pand is so tiny, this new will look massive besides it
Can confirm.
Wow! Duracell as a sponsor? You guys hit it big this time 😁
Also I'm totally test driving this new Panda.. and the Hyundai Inster..and maybe the R5.. again 'Wow' EV's taking off eh?
Oscar worthy opening. Haha.
Thanks Jack, fun and factual as always. Any chance of seeing this at the Australian show?
I remember when the original Panda came out in the seventies. It was fun, cheap, practical and economical.
It looks like Fiat/Stellantis have returned to these principles, even though some might baulk over the price. It really is cheap for an EV, but maybe leasing is a better option?
I absolutely love when a car has the power you need with the pedal to the floor, but with a big range of articulation for low speeds. sometimes in stop-and-go traffic, if you can drive at a very precise speed it will make you flow through the traffic jam much more smoothly. whenever my hybrid is in ev mode i enjoy this quite a lot, and i hate driving cars with big gas engines for this reason. if i was a nascar driver i wouldnt feel the same way
At 11 seconds to 60mph it’s faster than the average shopping cart. But that’s perfectly fine for a City Car…
love this review and this car. the practical, utilitarian simplicity of this car is true innovation. thanks, Jack! Panda 4x4 EV: yes, please. Bring this to the USA, Fiat.
That is a promising car! And some are predicting that the battery prices will drop by 50% the next year….. they will at least drop year over year 😀
You know what this would be? The perfect car for parents for their kids to borrow to learn in and keep them out of too much trouble while they do those crucial first couple of years of driving. Just like the earlier Pandas. Well done, Fiat. Make mine a full-EV 4x4, please! 🐼
Jack, you're such a car enthusiast ahah, car makers should hire you to sell their cars 😆ciao from Italy
Love the curly cable
The Duracell Bunny is back? OMG
being in the US, that really confused me. I didn't know they had a bunny. Here it's the Energizer bunny
I still remember when FIAT didn't want people to buy the emission compliance 500e years ago. How things have changed
I couldn't take my eyes off those steel rims. mind....blown!
Great video!!! Thx
Now that’s good. It really does seem to do exactly what it’s meant to do.
I had - way back - a 3 year old Mk1 Panda, a shade of red.
It was utterly brilliant, absolutely basic but tough as old boots. A very clever design, beautifully executed.
Completely reliable as well in the 4 years I had it.
Strangely enough my friends called it a ‘Happy Car’. It’s downfall back then of course? Rust. Ancient history now but back then, inevitable.
And this one has steel wheels: yes!
Well done FIAT/Stelantis.
Great review.
I do wish more people would mention the Ignis having the box tiny SUV feel. I feel like that was the car that kinda started it all ( YES i might be very wrong )
The design was odd back then but looking at most small SUV's now. I can't help but notice the shape being so close to the Ignis and back then Hatchbacks were the rave but now it's tiny SUV's.
I think the original Panda would like a word with you! (I love an Ignis mind)
@@JackScarlett1 You know what, after looking at the original Panda, I think you are right. The original probably would want a word with me...
I used to own a Panda and currently drive two EV's so of couse I'm excited about this car. Must admit that my eyes hurt a bit when I saw all the shiny plastic and neon yellow trim in the cabin though.
entertaining, informative +enjoyable review - makes me ‘want’ this car!🤣
Slow throttle purpose: Less stress on cheap Stellantis plastic parts. Better "Watt Mileage"
Best intro haha!!
I’m really into this car, love all those little touches!
I love the old style steel wheels. Always annoyed me seeing a defender with alloys
Grande Panda VS Hyundai Inster, the battle is running.
Let's play a drinking game: drink every time he says "happy"
I think jack forgot that a group of pandas is called an embarrassment
WHAT
Great review. Great entry point for many.
That’s gonna be a fantastic car for the learner market. I quite like a soft throttle map for day to day driving. Loving the steelies!!! Hopefully it’ll be the Punto of its day!!
Steel rims 👍
It's great to see they are putting thought into the exterior and interior design. The era of boring minimalist touch screens needs to END.
I just checked, and Canada is not among the 60 countries getting this little beauty. No surprise there.
I've always thought that the AC charging cable should be on board instead of hanging on a post to be destroyed in one way or another. It would make having AC charging a cheaper proposition for businesses, landlords and municipalities.
I love this Red color
This feels like cars used to be in the 90s. And that's a good thing. Are those real buttons on the dash?
Ty Jack
I actually love this. It's sympathetic to the original design.
I love the wheels! :)
Absolutely love the new Grande Panda, this, if there is any justice at all, will be a huge hit for Fiat. Fun, small cars are on a comeback! Bravo Fiat
Why do car makers think that "not completely miserable' back seats are in any way OK? This car - like others in its class - is declared to be a five-seater, yet three of the five will travel in cramped discomfort every time, with a (considerate) tall driver also forced to compromise.
Bus passengers, theatre goers and even airline economy classers wouldn't put up with it for a minute. It's a flagrant design failure, and we should stop giving mfrs a free pass. There shouldn't even have to be a Jack Test. A seat accommodates an adult and her legs without contortion, period. Otherwise, it's a shelf. Calling it anything else is essentially a fraud.
are you earnestly saying that 100 years of small-car heritage should have been erased? That people who very seldomly need more than one or two seats should somehow not be able to purchase a car like the Grande Panda that offers good space for two, reasonable space for two adults and two children, and emergency room for five? Very odd.
Yes this, it seems that all cars are made for small people these days. I'm 1.90 and my 2 kids are also getting bigger. I was looking at a Hyundai Inster which has the leg room and height, but they made that care very narrow so I'm always with my shoulder against the side pillar. Also only 2 seats and seatbelts in the back so no 3rd child allowed in the back. Stupid, I only want a simple electric family car for the city, guess I'm gonna need 2 cars now.
@@AndreVanKammenyou want a car that fits five large adults and you want it to be small. Do you want a Tardis ?
I think the “C” button in the latest Stellantis cars turns off regenerative braking. By default, the regen is on. Still very entertaining video as always! 🤗
Ok this is better than I thought it would be. The Inster just edges it, but we need to see the brat pack up against each other - eC3, R5, Inster, Leap C03, and the Fat Panda head to head someday soon.
I'd like to personally thank Stellantis for actually offering cars like this, finally
If Stelantis actually did with the new Panda as was with the original, removed all the silliness and the stuff that car-media reporters gets blinded by, keeping the car simple and effective as Giugiaro originally intended, this car could be a lot cheaper and most likely a lot more reliable.
And Stelantis and reliability is something that needs to improve.
Those wheels 😍
198 miles of range. Excellent car for a student driver since they can’t get very far. :)
I know it comes down to cost and trying to keep the prices down, however, I don't need a large car but do need probably a real-time range of 250 miles. I love this new Panda and had one years ago was a wee mountain goat and was just a great wee thing to throw about. Love the new Renault 5 too, sadly they just don't do enough real range miles, I wish they could do these smaller cars with larger ranges. Not everyone needs or wants a massive car or SUV, although may still do longer journeys than just pottering about the city.
Looks great in red. Really love that colour on it.
Love this review!
20 grande panda?!
Wondered when you would get round to this❤😊
When are you guys testing the Dongfeng Nammi Box? You definitely need to.. It's a huge deal..
I hope the lead out the front doesn’t in the end land up like leads for vacuum cleaners of old , stops going back in after a while 😂😂😂😂
I love it, and I love the price!
Thanks
Important question, this or the Citroen e-C3? Both on the same platform and about the same price, but which is better?
might just come down to which dealership is closer to where u live..🤣
I think E-C3 for comfort and affordability, Grande Panda for funky design. It's important to keep in mind that this Grande Panda has only two trims ("Red" and 'La prima") while the C3 has three ("You", "You Plus" and "Max")
Panda.
If these can be winter tested in Canada first, that would be the true test. It's currently -29c with an overnight low of -36c...
Nice video and also nice car 🚗
Thank you
Great to see another cheaper EV for the mass market.
The annoying thing is you don’t want a super tight modern car for the modern day road the roads especially in England are so bad you actually need a vehicle with a little bit of suspension. James May. Top Gear said the worst thing nowadays for Monday cars is a Nuberg ring Because everyone wants to go flat out everywhere but unfortunately life isn’t like that and especially in England the roads are so bad at the moment you need a vehicle with the business suspension is a bit big for my liking, I think the seat mii Volkswagen up all those that’s a size car I don’t want a big car. I just want a small car but one little do as a minimum 190 miles on a charge one you can use as a serious motor car and not just an ornament in your driveway Michael from England
If you have to hedge your bets because of global, developing market reasons just doing hybrid and EV and skipping plug in is a good approach. Better still if the hybrid is Nissan ePower, MG hyflbrod approach with the motor just being a generator so the car is EV designed first with the petrol tacked in after.
Yes, the Grand-A Panda does look quite retro like the other french models.This review is a lot like Johnny's Honda RE review.
Seems a very nice car. Beautiful colour .
These manufacturers have got to sort out their EVs. A Huge market is via Motability in the UK, for drivers under 25 the cut off is cars under insurance group 21. Currently that means for EVs under 25s have a choice of Proace Verso, Berlingo, Combo Life - all essentially the same car, a Fiat 500 and a VW Mokka.
No they cant have a Dacia Spring thats group 22 (FFS!!) Similar with the e-C3 too.
Theres a massive market waiting to be tapped just get an EV at group 21 or under. It's ridiculous that you can have a 7 seater Combo but not the Dacia Spring for example.
A plug-in slinky as a charge plug. What a brilliant idea.
Beautiful. Thus is what Fiat is about!
The Renault 5 being priced as low as it is while being built in France from parts brought from around less than 300km from the factory makes it even more an amazing car for me 😮🔥🐓🇫🇷
I would guess the throttle response is set for city driving. You need smooth controlled starts from city traffic lights, not a LeMons start or you will go right up the back of the car in front.
This would be smarter in the US where I am than the 500e, which is a joke. LOVE THIS
Where's the Duracell link???
If Jack says its got roll, then its got roll and slab-sided means cross-winds and other vehicles passing at speed may move it across lanes.
Wonder if the suspension is stiffened in the model with the larger battery.
I just wish they’d thrown in an extra £50 to make the wing mirrors complement the rest of the car. Nice though. I like it.
Better effort here than on their Jeep and Dodge EVs here in the US. Bring subcompacts back as EVs and it'll carve out a niche. Make the batteries easy to get to and the car easy to work on and mechanics will be much more willing to work on them as well.
WTF! Is there someone in the frunk? When you fed the yellow cable back in, I saw creepy fingers inside!! 😮
Take your meds, please 😊
@@njalidI’m being serious. Look at the end of that moment as he puts it inside - there’s a hand taking it from him.
Lol that's so weird, it's just the end of the yellow cable looking a bit like a finger 😁
Beside the price it’s an amazing car! EV at 19k without subsidies would have been a good price.
Rule of headlines. If it poses a question the answer is always *no*.
The rules no longer apply.
The white steelies really work
Why do car companies hate the average car driver ... Why is it so hard to give use 350km of real world range ... 44kwh ... They seriously don't want people to buy it.
Of you drive more than 300km in a day, and EV isn’t for you.
Probably because the average driver only covers a fraction of that distance in normal use; The average American for example covers less than 50 miles *per day*.
That figure is lower almost everywhere else in the world; In the UK - the target demographic of this video - it's a mere 20 miles, for example.
I thought we'd already settled this argument: That range anxiety was just that; Anxiety, and not rooted in reality.