Love this channel, instantly subscribed...i think you're right about the "head vs body" thing in music...Sometimes, when there is a section that i really like, im in doubt if a want to learn it and "capture" that in my music vocabulary or just enjoy what it does to me without letting the analyzing, that is foundamental for learning, takes the magic of it
Thanks! It's an important thing to consider when becoming a composer, I think. Another commenter called it choosing to be the magician or the audience member.
And btw, loving the metal rendition you did, as a metal guitarist myself... And i would really love some vids on the harmony of Allan Holdsworth, like Home, looking glass, one of my favorite is "The sixteen man of Tain", this one man, some chords are outstandigly brillant...im sure you will find material for a month of in 3 songs😂... And for a metal one i suggest you a vid on the clean intro chords in "Beneath" by Meshuggah... Sorry for the long text and for eventually bad english. (Im Italian🇮🇹) , love the passion you put in your videos🔥
@@Keith_HornThank yoy for hearing my suggestion... Im sure that if you're listening to Allan Holdsworth for the first time you'll be mindblown, he was just alien... I suggest you both the studio version of this songs, but in particular the live versions from his "Live in Warsaw jazz day album '98"... In this you really have to give a shot to "Material Unreal" and "Letters of Marque" too... If it resonate with you i recommend the whole album, thats really a masterpiece of musicianship...too bad that he died too soon, i wonder what he could have created to this day, but surely what he left is special and changed the game IMO...
Bartok is wonderful. His music has an effect on me that I can't begin to put into words, but I can certainly appreciate your own description at the end of this video. Unlike some other modernists of a century ago, who may have been trying to put one over on us (Anna Russell said that 70 years ago I think), Bartok seems genuine to me and connects in a magic way with me.
Also leaving another comment because the metal arrangement was a 10/10. It’s still wild to me that you don’t have more subscribers. This series is gold. You deserve so many more views. Thanks for doing what you do.
Thanks! I don't have much metal released. I do have a couple albums out but they aren't metal. open.spotify.com/artist/7nmnt32umjlOK6oJ2KRTo8?si=wcJuL4swStir2n8Q0ivWvQ You might like my song "Tool Cool for Cupcakes" open.spotify.com/track/4xVdAOaZrluMoDdfY43fRo?si=e3f8eaf03ec64d69 - that's a little heavier for me.
That's a great presentation. I use variants on this sonority all the time in my writing. I first came up with it intuitively, but I'm now well versed in its role in early 20th century music. I don't see the head/heart thing as a dichotomy. A very good teacher once told me that at some point you have to decide if you're going to be the magician or the dazzled audience member. I mean that in a non-snarky, helpful way. Your arrangement is terrific!
Loss of innocence? You’ve bitten the proverbial apple and you can’t get back to the garden. On the other hand, after unpacking the chord, I hear it’s components more clearly. It’s worth the loss of innocence. I really like the way you grapple with chord symbols. They aren’t final answers but there is one answer that’s better than the other chord anagrams choices. And you support the decision. When chord symbols are the result of analysis they can only represent a limited set of information. They don’t necessarily represent specific voicing or register, for example. They require context cues to trigger a more complete memory of an event: Bartok, string quartet, the sound, the visceral experience. I’m hooked on your channel. Great stuff!
Can you do Penderecki, like maybe his Dream of Jacob? Pretty please?! ❤️ P.S. I just discovered this channel and it's been such a fun rabbithole for me, thank you!
The Hendrix chord is coming from a similar inspiration, what is traditional/ roots music. What Bartók was obsessed with in Hungary, and lot of his ideas are coming from there. The third what is between the major / minor is the same (or very very similar) in blues, and traditional music of the villages here (Hungary) Hendrix (or other blues musicians) and Bartók did, is the same. They play the min. and the maj. third innzhe same time to give us the feeling of the note in between. As it happens in traditional bands, where the chords are all majors, but the melody is in minor (like in blues)
@@Keith_Horn np, thank you for the videos, great work. I've read, that Bartók struggled with these - not tempered - notes on piano, what was his main instrument, and his solution was: play both of the neighbors of the "non existing" note in the same time (as a minor 2nd) The way how traditional anchient musics works, and the way how musicians without any educational background formed those into instrumental music, played by some kind of orchestra, add chords, etc is very similar in different parts of the world, even if the style of these musics are quite different
Hi Keith. I'm a recent subscriber and I've been loving the Chord of the Week. Are there any particular recordings of the Bartok Quartets that you'd recommend?
You and me both. His harmonic sense, his use of jagged rhythms and his poly modal sensibilities continue to engage me. His Cantata Profana is deeply emotional.
@@Keith_Horn thanks for covering Bartok. Despite his acclaim in academia, I know a few very skilled musicians who just cannot get into his music which I find a shame. His music is so unique.
Hi Keith. The last movement of Bartok's 4th string quartet has already been revisited by a rock band (or at least it's a very obvious influence)! Listen to “Lark’s Tongues in Aspic Part II” by King Crimson (1973).
It’s not rock, but you might be interested in Hajnal by Venetian Snares. It samples Bartók (1st string quartet, I think) plus Stravinsky and Paganini, starts to go all jazzy, then veers off into breakbeat apocalypse. It’s ferocious and visceral, but also deeply moving.
Hey, Keith! Your passion for Bartok's string quartets, for their vicerality and power of emotional impact, kind of reminds me of my relationship with Beethoven's Grosse Fuge. It's so full of distinctive colorations, variations, silences, strange repetitions, ugliness and beauty... That it feels like Beethoven is “breaking” the music in front of you, and you can't do anything about it. I remember that when I heard it for the first time, at around seventeen, I thought I'd found something I'd been looking for for a long time... And I literally didn't stop listening to it, every day, for a couple of years. And I thought that no one could ever write something as sincere and profound as that (until I met ‘Alien’ Holdsworth's music, lol). So much so that I have a good portion of it memorized in my head... - Or by heart!
"Breaking the music in front of you" is such a great analogy. One of my favorite conversations with musicians and composers is talking abhout waht music "got into us" at a young age and became part of our musical identity. Bartok is a big one for me. Thank you for sharing that!
Dig your channel.your version of this one too. The Execution Of Stephan Razin op 119 by Shostakovich has a chord b flat A C Sharp and D. That is the greatest metal piece ever written. Subjective of course. I do classical music in other genres and have made octotonic matrix and tonal squares.
@@Keith_Horn Here's a recording with the score (I couldn't find that chord anywhere, though...at least not with a B-flat in the bass): ruclips.net/video/ScXbnKl8lT8/видео.html
What a badass metal arrangement you did!!!
Thanks! A labor of love
@@Keith_Horn hope you have more of that
@@pantheon777 Maybe a little
Yes true it’s cool, solid stuff
bartok is one of the best of 20th century, especially for chords
Absolutely!
I'm hooked to this series since I discovered your Alien chord of the week!
Thanks so much! I appreciate the support!
Keep the Bartok videos coming, please!! You love it, we love it!!
Will do! Thanks for watching!
Love this channel, instantly subscribed...i think you're right about the "head vs body" thing in music...Sometimes, when there is a section that i really like, im in doubt if a want to learn it and "capture" that in my music vocabulary or just enjoy what it does to me without letting the analyzing, that is foundamental for learning, takes the magic of it
Thanks! It's an important thing to consider when becoming a composer, I think. Another commenter called it choosing to be the magician or the audience member.
And btw, loving the metal rendition you did, as a metal guitarist myself... And i would really love some vids on the harmony of Allan Holdsworth, like Home, looking glass, one of my favorite is "The sixteen man of Tain", this one man, some chords are outstandigly brillant...im sure you will find material for a month of in 3 songs😂... And for a metal one i suggest you a vid on the clean intro chords in "Beneath" by Meshuggah... Sorry for the long text and for eventually bad english. (Im Italian🇮🇹) , love the passion you put in your videos🔥
Thank you! I love all the suggestions - I keep a list of every chord or piece of music suggested to me so thanks for those.
@@Keith_HornThank yoy for hearing my suggestion... Im sure that if you're listening to Allan Holdsworth for the first time you'll be mindblown, he was just alien... I suggest you both the studio version of this songs, but in particular the live versions from his "Live in Warsaw jazz day album '98"... In this you really have to give a shot to "Material Unreal" and "Letters of Marque" too... If it resonate with you i recommend the whole album, thats really a masterpiece of musicianship...too bad that he died too soon, i wonder what he could have created to this day, but surely what he left is special and changed the game IMO...
@@MarkFlagitia I've only listened to some Holdsworth but never studied his music properly. I'll give all of this a listen.
i really love these videos. all i do is chord theory every day all day
Thanks! Me too! Always looking for chord suggestion if you have any
I’m LIVING for these Bartok videos! Yet again, you killed it. Great video.
Thanks! I feel like I could a hundred of these - so much great stuff in the string quartets alone!
Bartok is the gate to the future of classical music . Keep.up with this series
I’ll keep at it!
Bartok is wonderful. His music has an effect on me that I can't begin to put into words, but I can certainly appreciate your own description at the end of this video. Unlike some other modernists of a century ago, who may have been trying to put one over on us (Anna Russell said that 70 years ago I think), Bartok seems genuine to me and connects in a magic way with me.
Connecting in a magical way is a great way to put it. I feel the same.
Also leaving another comment because the metal arrangement was a 10/10. It’s still wild to me that you don’t have more subscribers. This series is gold. You deserve so many more views. Thanks for doing what you do.
Thanks for the support!
🤘🤘 I need more of your metal stuff! Where can I listen to it?
Thanks! I don't have much metal released. I do have a couple albums out but they aren't metal. open.spotify.com/artist/7nmnt32umjlOK6oJ2KRTo8?si=wcJuL4swStir2n8Q0ivWvQ
You might like my song "Tool Cool for Cupcakes" open.spotify.com/track/4xVdAOaZrluMoDdfY43fRo?si=e3f8eaf03ec64d69 - that's a little heavier for me.
That's a great presentation. I use variants on this sonority all the time in my writing. I first came up with it intuitively, but I'm now well versed in its role in early 20th century music. I don't see the head/heart thing as a dichotomy. A very good teacher once told me that at some point you have to decide if you're going to be the magician or the dazzled audience member. I mean that in a non-snarky, helpful way. Your arrangement is terrific!
I love that magician/audience analogy! Thanks for the support!
@@Keith_Horn Many thanks Keith. It's great to make your acquaintance!
@@tommyron Likewise!
The goal is to be both as often as you can.
@@essbo53 I agree. Finding balance between the two modes is important
Loss of innocence? You’ve bitten the proverbial apple and you can’t get back to the garden. On the other hand, after unpacking the chord, I hear it’s components more clearly. It’s worth the loss of innocence.
I really like the way you grapple with chord symbols. They aren’t final answers but there is one answer that’s better than the other chord anagrams choices. And you support the decision. When chord symbols are the result of analysis they can only represent a limited set of information. They don’t necessarily represent specific voicing or register, for example. They require context cues to trigger a more complete memory of an event: Bartok, string quartet, the sound, the visceral experience.
I’m hooked on your channel. Great stuff!
@@garygimmestad4272 I have definitely bitten the apple. These quartets are incredible
Bartok's quartets are some of the best music ever written for strings
100% true
great pfp
@growskull Thanks!
@growskull yellow swans crushes, saw their first show together in 15 years at oblivion access a couple years ago and it was incredible
@@ShanevsDCsniperr I'll check them out!
Man I love your content !! I always learn smth new
Thank you! So do I when I make the videos!
I love this series so much. It scratches my music theory nerd itch
Thank you! It scratches my itch making the videos.
I like 'em both.......
Excellent!
Thanks!
More of Bartok's "chewy chordal goodness." I found your series a couple of weeks ago and I'm enjoying your "nerdy compositional goodness."
So glad to meet a fellow chord nerd!
Can you do Penderecki, like maybe his Dream of Jacob? Pretty please?! ❤️
P.S. I just discovered this channel and it's been such a fun rabbithole for me, thank you!
I'll add that to the list - thanks!
The Hendrix chord is coming from a similar inspiration, what is traditional/ roots music. What Bartók was obsessed with in Hungary, and lot of his ideas are coming from there.
The third what is between the major / minor is the same (or very very similar) in blues, and traditional music of the villages here (Hungary) Hendrix (or other blues musicians) and Bartók did, is the same. They play the min. and the maj. third innzhe same time to give us the feeling of the note in between. As it happens in traditional bands, where the chords are all majors, but the melody is in minor (like in blues)
@@monoswinger that’s a great connection! Thank you for that!
@@Keith_Horn np, thank you for the videos, great work.
I've read, that Bartók struggled with these - not tempered - notes on piano, what was his main instrument, and his solution was: play both of the neighbors of the "non existing" note in the same time (as a minor 2nd)
The way how traditional anchient musics works, and the way how musicians without any educational background formed those into instrumental music, played by some kind of orchestra, add chords, etc is very similar in different parts of the world, even if the style of these musics are quite different
@@monoswinger So interesting
Hi Keith. I'm a recent subscriber and I've been loving the Chord of the Week. Are there any particular recordings of the Bartok Quartets that you'd recommend?
Thanks for watching and for the sub! I really like the Emerson recordings.
バルトークは大変好きな作曲家ですが特に4番、５番、６番の弦楽四重奏は難解です。
他の作品とは飛びぬけて難しい音楽ですよね。
どうやって聞いても交響曲なのに自らコンチェルトとしているオケコン大好きです。
楽しい動画をありがとうございます。
Yes the last three quartets are dense and complex. I think I’m drawn to them because they are hard to understand. That sparks my curiosity.
As an Allan Holdsworth fan the chords of the second movement of Bartok second piano concerto are very close to Allan chords
@@guillaumechabason3165 that’s a fun connection! I’ll dig into that.
True! There was some Bartok in Allan Holdsworth style
You and me both. His harmonic sense, his use of jagged rhythms and his poly modal sensibilities continue to engage me. His Cantata Profana is deeply emotional.
He's one of my favorites. These pieces are such a treasure trove.
@@Keith_Horn thanks for covering Bartok. Despite his acclaim in academia, I know a few very skilled musicians who just cannot get into his music which I find a shame. His music is so unique.
@@soundtreks He's an acquired taste for some listeners, I think. Maybe those musicians would like his early work which is closer to romanticism.
Hi Keith. The last movement of Bartok's 4th string quartet has already been revisited by a rock band (or at least it's a very obvious influence)! Listen to “Lark’s Tongues in Aspic Part II” by King Crimson (1973).
That's a good one! Here's the full version of my arrangement :ruclips.net/video/6TcyOKJilHI/видео.html
2:07 didn't Hendrix tune down a half step too?🙃
I think he did! Voodoo Child is in open Eb isn’t it?
It’s not rock, but you might be interested in Hajnal by Venetian Snares. It samples Bartók (1st string quartet, I think) plus Stravinsky and Paganini, starts to go all jazzy, then veers off into breakbeat apocalypse. It’s ferocious and visceral, but also deeply moving.
Sounds awesome - I'll check it out!
Hey, Keith! Your passion for Bartok's string quartets, for their vicerality and power of emotional impact, kind of reminds me of my relationship with Beethoven's Grosse Fuge. It's so full of distinctive colorations, variations, silences, strange repetitions, ugliness and beauty... That it feels like Beethoven is “breaking” the music in front of you, and you can't do anything about it. I remember that when I heard it for the first time, at around seventeen, I thought I'd found something I'd been looking for for a long time... And I literally didn't stop listening to it, every day, for a couple of years. And I thought that no one could ever write something as sincere and profound as that (until I met ‘Alien’ Holdsworth's music, lol). So much so that I have a good portion of it memorized in my head...
- Or by heart!
"Breaking the music in front of you" is such a great analogy. One of my favorite conversations with musicians and composers is talking abhout waht music "got into us" at a young age and became part of our musical identity. Bartok is a big one for me. Thank you for sharing that!
Dig your channel.your version of this one too. The Execution Of Stephan Razin op 119 by Shostakovich has a chord b flat A C Sharp and D. That is the greatest metal piece ever written. Subjective of course. I do classical music in other genres and have made octotonic matrix and tonal squares.
Nice! Do you know where in the piece I can find that chord?
@@Keith_Horn Here's a recording with the score (I couldn't find that chord anywhere, though...at least not with a B-flat in the bass): ruclips.net/video/ScXbnKl8lT8/видео.html
@@62pianoguy Cool I'll give it a comb through!
Good idea
Stevie Ray Bartok!
Ha! Maybe Bela Vai? Or Allan Bartworth?
btw- Keith Emerson was very much influenced by Bartok. Allegro Barbaro from their debut album is evidence enough.
Totally! Early progressive metal at its finest