Thank you both for mentioning this. I performed in Carmina as a child in a boys choir, and this was one of my favorite tunes from the piece. Just looked it up on youtube, and had no idea what the lyrics were about until now. ruclips.net/video/iSOTjbr2qSw/видео.html
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Miser, miser! Modo niger Et ustus fortiter! ...and then the initial weird chord which is probably worth one of Keith's episodes!
You pick out all my favorite sounds and textures with this series! 🙌 "Also, it's an add 2 because there's no 7th" just made something's click into place😱
I just realized you might be figuring out all these chords by ear rather than looking at the score, since you've understandably notated everything in 4/4. As you can see from the piano-vocal reduction, Orff himself notated the piece in the unusual meter of 3/1 (which was really just his visual conceit to make the music look more "medieval" on the page; it's an "exploded" version of 3/2 that doubles all the note values). If you do get a chance to see the full orchestra score, you'll discover that most of the pitches you've described as "missing" are actually present in the orchestra, and often strongly doubled -- they're just difficult to hear in such a thick texture. (I had to use a magnifying glass myself to locate some of them!) In the first chord, an A2 is being played by the first horn; A4's by the first horn, both pianos, and all violins; and A5's by the 1st oboe, 1st clarinet, and both pianos. All these instruments (except the violins) also play the same pitches in the second chord. In the fourth chord, there are still C6's being played by both pianos. The first chord after the double bar is an FM7/A. E4 in third trombone; E5 in third trumpet, violas, and both pianos; and E6 in 1st oboe, E-flat clarinet, and both pianos. There's a sus4 thing going on in the next four chords -- they all have D-naturals in them. (For example, the first of these has D4 in the third trombone and violas, D5 in the third trumpet, violas, and both pianos, and D6 in the 1st oboe, E-flat clarinet, and both pianos.) The penultimate chord is an add2 (E5 and E6 in both pianos). The last chord also has a sus4 (D5 and D6 in both pianos). Here's a link to a recording with a full score: ruclips.net/video/JQW02vSoWcM/видео.html
Just realized this from another comment. I was working from the vocal score instead of the full score - which I couldn't find on IMSLP oddly enough. Plus, the vocal score has the A natural in the piano part - an oversight on my part. I zeroed in on the choral voicings only. Thank you for the detailed clarification - much appreciated!
@@Keith_Horn No worries, I suspected you might have been focusing mainly on the chorus parts. Thanks for accepting my nerdy info in the spirit it was intended! :-)
Wow, but how can we learn which note to omit or add to create a particular mood or to even have mood?? Guess this knowledge or intuition separates the composer from us mortals. A great video all in all.
I think the general idea of Carmina Burana (particularly the ensemble of Choir and Pianos) was inspired by Stravinsky's Les Noces, which is an equally savage piece, though not as cataclysmic. Also I've recently started a RUclips series called "Melody of the Week" inspired by your weekly videos!
The first chord has that cluster sound similar to Dracula, while no tetrachord, the three notes together, R,2,-3, center give it a similar sound. I instantly recognized the music, but never knew what it was! 👍
I do reallt love the chord progression on N. 21 "In trutina". It is so sweet. Also one of the scariest movements to play in orchestra in my opinion, as everyone in the string section must cherish their delicate sound despite playing in most voices the same note for the entire movement.
Nice, never thought of leaving out harmonic "space" for other notes to breathe in chord (kind of like silent "space" in rhythmic patterns to allow them to breathe). Thanks!!!
Great! Just to be very nerdy: The first chord of the second to last bar, I hear it as a Dm/A without D instead of F/A without C. In fact I never hear F in this passage. The second chord from the beginning is also Dm for me. Dm9/C Great videos.
That makes sense. The D minor tonality is established so strongly from the beginning that it just resonates through the whole opening. Thanks for that!
When I was at school in the mid eighties, the choir master of a church in Wales refused to have it performed in church. The content of lyrics was anti-christian apparently.
Yes, apparently the poems were written by the Goliards who thumbed their noses at the Catholic Church. Ironically, they found these poems in a Benedictine monastery !
Love your videos Keith, but this time you made a few mistakes. "Carmina" is pronounced with the stress falling on the first syllable "car". And "Carmina Burana" does not mean Songs from Bavaria, but Songs from Benediktbeuern. The nearest big city is Munich.
“It’s an add 2 because there’s no seventh …” … … … and it would just be Dm9 [ie, no “add”], if there WERE a seventh [and a fifth], right … ? I’m pretty sure add2 and add9 are completely interchangeable, technically speaking … though personally, I use one or the other to reflect the voicing/octave that the note is in [and it looks as though whoever scored this, does likewise] … I’m not sure what point you’re making about it being add2 (instead of add9) because there’s no seventh? … or, if the point is that it can’t be a 9 because there’s no 7 [or 5, for that matter], then I’m not sure that’s correct … 🤔. Cheers
@ Ha, right … you seemed to be saying it should be an add2 specifically (and not an “add9” as written), because there is no seventh … Never mind, then …
"Carmina Burana going into public domain in a few years..." Michael DeLoatch scrambles for telephone to lobby his senators and representatives and the white house to extend copyright protection out 300 years. ;-)
@@Keith_Horn We gotta do what we gotta do to keep Carmina off the streets. They will start selling everything from Viagra pills to shampoo to toilet paper brands and all stops in between on TV to that chorus!
Thank you for the video Keith, great stuff!
Thanks for watching!
1:39 HAHAHA
Edit: love this insight into harmony. Thank you for these videos, they are awesome!!!
Thanks!
Commenting for the almighty algorithm. Another banger video as always!
Appreciate it!
We sang this in college, it’s bonkers. Nobody ever talks about the wacky goose piece. 🪿
I'd love to talk about the wacky goose/swan piece! I Love the levity in the midst of the epic Fortuna bookends. Poor bird!
That one always gets me; poor goose.
Thank you both for mentioning this. I performed in Carmina as a child in a boys choir, and this was one of my favorite tunes from the piece. Just looked it up on youtube, and had no idea what the lyrics were about until now. ruclips.net/video/iSOTjbr2qSw/видео.html
Miser, miser!
Modo niger
Et ustus fortiter!
...and then the initial weird chord which is probably worth one of Keith's episodes!
That electric piano sound makes everything sound like a Hallmark movie
Haha!Yes it does!
You pick out all my favorite sounds and textures with this series! 🙌
"Also, it's an add 2 because there's no 7th" just made something's click into place😱
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
I just realized you might be figuring out all these chords by ear rather than looking at the score, since you've understandably notated everything in 4/4. As you can see from the piano-vocal reduction, Orff himself notated the piece in the unusual meter of 3/1 (which was really just his visual conceit to make the music look more "medieval" on the page; it's an "exploded" version of 3/2 that doubles all the note values).
If you do get a chance to see the full orchestra score, you'll discover that most of the pitches you've described as "missing" are actually present in the orchestra, and often strongly doubled -- they're just difficult to hear in such a thick texture. (I had to use a magnifying glass myself to locate some of them!)
In the first chord, an A2 is being played by the first horn; A4's by the first horn, both pianos, and all violins; and A5's by the 1st oboe, 1st clarinet, and both pianos. All these instruments (except the violins) also play the same pitches in the second chord.
In the fourth chord, there are still C6's being played by both pianos.
The first chord after the double bar is an FM7/A. E4 in third trombone; E5 in third trumpet, violas, and both pianos; and E6 in 1st oboe, E-flat clarinet, and both pianos.
There's a sus4 thing going on in the next four chords -- they all have D-naturals in them. (For example, the first of these has D4 in the third trombone and violas, D5 in the third trumpet, violas, and both pianos, and D6 in the 1st oboe, E-flat clarinet, and both pianos.)
The penultimate chord is an add2 (E5 and E6 in both pianos).
The last chord also has a sus4 (D5 and D6 in both pianos).
Here's a link to a recording with a full score:
ruclips.net/video/JQW02vSoWcM/видео.html
Just realized this from another comment. I was working from the vocal score instead of the full score - which I couldn't find on IMSLP oddly enough. Plus, the vocal score has the A natural in the piano part - an oversight on my part. I zeroed in on the choral voicings only. Thank you for the detailed clarification - much appreciated!
@@Keith_Horn No worries, I suspected you might have been focusing mainly on the chorus parts. Thanks for accepting my nerdy info in the spirit it was intended! :-)
Amazing that the A which is repeatedly omitted in the first passage, is present in every single chord of the second
True! Although I realized later that some of the omitted notes are present in the orchestra. Follow up video coming
This is a comment on the video saying that the video was excellent and thank you
This is a response to your comment saying thank you for your comment!
@@Keith_Horn Unexpected but accepted!
Wow, but how can we learn which note to omit or add to create a particular mood or to even have mood?? Guess this knowledge or intuition separates the composer from us mortals. A great video all in all.
I guess when you get to Orff's level it's more of an intuition
By watching stuff like this ;) Awesome vid!!
@@MarsziParszi Thanks!
Love these analyses! Thanks Keith!
Thanks!
Just a quick note to say that you and I have a lot of the same favorite chords lol!
Chord bros!
@@Keith_Horn Right on!
Please also compare the opening chords with the closing chords where there appears to be some light at the end of tunnel but somewhat bleak.
Good idea!
I think the general idea of Carmina Burana (particularly the ensemble of Choir and Pianos) was inspired by Stravinsky's Les Noces, which is an equally savage piece, though not as cataclysmic.
Also I've recently started a RUclips series called "Melody of the Week" inspired by your weekly videos!
That's a fun fact! I'll check out "Melody of the Week"!
@@Keith_Horn Thanks :D
i hope your channel blooms. these are stuff i do on my free time but don't do videos. Great job!
Thanks! Glad you like them!
The first chord has that cluster sound similar to Dracula, while no tetrachord, the three notes together, R,2,-3, center give it a similar sound. I instantly recognized the music, but never knew what it was! 👍
Right - they share that same add9/add2 sound, for sure
@@Keith_Horn whenever we add this 9nth, evil wins! 😂
@@JohnManopoulos Haha true! I do love an add 9
I love it!
Thanks!
I do reallt love the chord progression on N. 21 "In trutina". It is so sweet. Also one of the scariest movements to play in orchestra in my opinion, as everyone in the string section must cherish their delicate sound despite playing in most voices the same note for the entire movement.
Listening again now - so beautiful!
subbed great stuff
Thank you!
Incredible
Yeah nice. I Definitely like those omissions, they help will that 'pagan' sort of sound for sure. And it rolls seamlessly into 'My Life' 😀
It mashes right into it, apparently!
This piece scared me when I was 5 or 6 but I loved listening to it anyway !
It still scares me a little bit!
Lol. Brilliant mashup to Biily Joel
Thanks!😂 Just kinda came to me in the moment
Nice, never thought of leaving out harmonic "space" for other notes to breathe in chord (kind of like silent "space" in rhythmic patterns to allow them to breathe). Thanks!!!
Space for the other notes to breathe is a good way to put it
Great!
Just to be very nerdy: The first chord of the second to last bar, I hear it as a Dm/A without D instead of F/A without C.
In fact I never hear F in this passage. The second chord from the beginning is also Dm for me. Dm9/C
Great videos.
That makes sense. The D minor tonality is established so strongly from the beginning that it just resonates through the whole opening. Thanks for that!
I originally thought it was simply created as part of the soundtrack for the movie Excalibur :)
Right! I forgot it was used in that movie!
When I was at school in the mid eighties, the choir master of a church in Wales refused to have it performed in church. The content of lyrics was anti-christian apparently.
Yes, apparently the poems were written by the Goliards who thumbed their noses at the Catholic Church. Ironically, they found these poems in a Benedictine monastery !
@@Keith_Horn that explains it 🙂
Whyyyyyy did you use a Db instead of a C# in the A Major chords??
Yeah that's annoying. The app I use for auto notation defaults to flats, I think. I have no control over it.
Is it possible to download the PDF with the chords?
I don't have a pdf yet of the condensed, grand staff score but I found this vocal score on IMSLP
Any British people who grew up in 70s and 80s were introduced to Carl Orff through the Old Spice TV commercial.
Ha! I think most people were probably introduced to it through some form of pop culture like that.
5:41 freaking hilarious!
😂just occurred to me in the moment!
Love your videos Keith, but this time you made a few mistakes. "Carmina" is pronounced with the stress falling on the first syllable "car". And "Carmina Burana" does not mean Songs from Bavaria, but Songs from Benediktbeuern. The nearest big city is Munich.
Ah I see. I didn’t know that Burana refers to the village not the region. Thanks for that.
That's almost a battle song in Skyrim.
Almost!
Dude, the A is there played by the horns.
Woah! It is! I was working from the vocal score. A above middle C, right?
Man, I missed a bunch of notes by not looking at the full score. Just ordered it and I'll post a follow up to clarify. Thanks for the correction.
“It’s an add 2 because there’s no seventh …” … … … and it would just be Dm9 [ie, no “add”], if there WERE a seventh [and a fifth], right … ?
I’m pretty sure add2 and add9 are completely interchangeable, technically speaking … though personally, I use one or the other to reflect the voicing/octave that the note is in [and it looks as though whoever scored this, does likewise] … I’m not sure what point you’re making about it being add2 (instead of add9) because there’s no seventh? … or, if the point is that it can’t be a 9 because there’s no 7 [or 5, for that matter], then I’m not sure that’s correct … 🤔. Cheers
I just call it an add2 or add9 because there's no C(7th) in the chord. I'd have called it a Dmi9 if there was a C, though.
@ Ha, right … you seemed to be saying it should be an add2 specifically (and not an “add9” as written), because there is no seventh …
Never mind, then …
"Carmina Burana going into public domain in a few years..." Michael DeLoatch scrambles for telephone to lobby his senators and representatives and the white house to extend copyright protection out 300 years. ;-)
Ha! Can you imagine a 300 year copyright? Not even all of Bach's music would be PD yet!
@@Keith_Horn We gotta do what we gotta do to keep Carmina off the streets. They will start selling everything from Viagra pills to shampoo to toilet paper brands and all stops in between on TV to that chorus!
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