10 reasons Not to buy a 2023 C8 Z06 Corvette
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I love the colour combo of your car!
Thanks!! The single most difficult choice (as least for me) is picking the exterior color.
@@RobertMacCready Lot of good ones. Judging from the one you have, I’m betting on your good instincts. Good luck with the wait.
@@gregwayne6785 I think it will be a long wait. Maybe the end of next year (with any luck).
Actually, I cancelled my order for a Z06 and am now on an ERay list.
This video should be called “10 things I tell myself to feel better about not getting the Z06 I actually wanted”.
Currently own a 2020 C8 3LT Z51 and I should have gotten a Z06. I believe there are no reasons to NOT buy a Z06.
Lmao dead assss 😂
That’s spot on! 😂
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It’s a terrific sports car. But 200k after all the markups for a Vette ? And it’s not even top of the line limited edition ZR1 , damn that’s like a Lambo money 💰In 2019 you could buy almost brand new Huracan for that amount of $
Anybody who pays $200K+ for a new Z06 is a fool. When you get up to that territory, you can get a real exotic like a used 458 or a used Huracan. The real reason why you get a Z06 is that it's the "reasonably affordable" alternative to an exotic. If you end up paying a stupidly-high markup, that advantage goes out the window.
Alot people have money too piss away but i get your point, i get mine with no mark up and first one on the lot my uncle owns a dealership 😊
I agree. I own a Lamborghini and an older 93 Vette which I love both for totally different reasons. I’ll look into buying a C8 in time as well. But I’ll wait to supply is more equal to demand. Eventually depreciation will start and those who paid way over msrp are gonna be under water for a long time. However awesome cars
Yeah but on the other hand who wants a used 458 there's no telling how it was driven... did somebody beat the sh!t out of it ... then sell it imagine what head gaskets would cost on that thing
@@richardburton4935 if your buying a 458 or any exotic car from a private or dealer. You either need your own technician that specializes in those and knows what to look for. Or you need to pay attention to the condition of the under chassis and need a diagnostic tool (not a scan tool) that read those vehicle.
@@richardburton4935 diagnostic tool usually can if the owner is lying or not. It see how hard were they accelerating, revving all that stuff. Data don't lie if you know to interpreted its meaning within contexts.
I’m glad that I got 2023 C8 after ~14 months waiting. I don’t know how an average guy like me to get z06. I will stick with C8. Thanks 🙏 Robert.
Works for 98% of us, thats for sure.
I put my order on end of Sept 2021..I'm still waiting..just asking when did u get on the wait list..??..I know every dealership is different..but this closing up the plant doesn't make my situation any better
My wild guess is, if you can afford to buy the new Z06, you’re not worried about taxes.
You don't get to the position of being able to afford a 6 figure car by not worrying about taxes.
Having money to buy things only shows you have money. Often times it makes you stupid and dumb.
Thats not the point at all. Our government is trying to crush everyone. If you happen to live in the states would you like to pay 13% on everything you buy or every service you get like a mechanic or a plumber? I think not. Doesn't matter how much money a person has here in Canada. We are ALL taxed.
Depends where you live. In a state like Montana you DON'T have a sales tax on cars. Here in FL the tax is 7%. Do the math...7% of say $130,000 is $9,100. NOW, you need to figure out if you should trade in your car or sell it outright. If you trade in your car you only pay the tax on the difference between the price of the new car and your trade. So, lets say you got (lets keep it simple) $100,000 for your trade. Now your only paying tax on $30,000 not 130,000. If you sell your car to a private owner, then, when you buy your new car you pay the FULL sales tax.
I should do a video on this!!!!
@@RobertMacCready In Missouri, you can sell your car privately and then get a waiver and pay the difference same as the dealer. Only diff is "you" fill out the paperwork. I'm not sure if other states do this but worth checking... You might get more this way by selling your trade privately than what a dealer will give you...
I'm good with the base c8 .Anybody who pays 200K for a vette needs their head examined .Thats Lambo Hurracan prices
Yup!!!
I couldn’t agree more. It’s still Chevy at the end of the day. I had a C5 in 2001 and I like it but I was always disappointed by the interior. Now I’m on my 2nd M3 with an Audi RS5 in between and never looked back.
It’s gonna be way faster than a Lambo Huracan so what’s your point? 610 hp vs 670hp plus c8 revs a little higher. You can’t use that excuse anymore because once the Zora and Zr1 come out no Lambo will touch it not even an SVJ. Ignorant
@@Racedoc dude trying to compare his busted ass c5 to a C8😂😅
Lol. Who cares about a Lambo Hurracan?! Guaranteed if you ever owned and had to maintain one, you will pay the same or more for the more reliable good ole vette!
What struck a chord with me, was your #2 & 7 reasons, looks and uncertainty. I have always felt the C5 through C7 Z06 looked so much better than the standard Corvette, so much so, I'd really not consider anything less. With the C8, my feelings are different. While side by side, I'm confident the Z06 will look considerably more aggressive, I don't feel like it's a big enough difference to deter me from the standard C8 on looks alone. With the performance of the C8 being quite exceptional, it's that much harder to justify the additional cost of the Z06. There's a good chance that 5.5 liter FPC engine will be just fine, but what if it's long term prognosis isn't all that great?
I’m sure there will be a wide body Grand Sport that is far more reasonable
@@richarddobreny6664 That would be wonderful, but I haven't heard anything more than speculation. Fingers crossed though!
I think your critique was excellent Robert.
Some Corvette buyers can see things thru rose colored glasses because cost isn't an issue for them .
If the Corvette C8 does 0-6/
60 in 3 seconds is it really worth paying considerably more money to go 0-60 in2.8 seconds.
How is the performance of the Z06 compared to earlier C8 models?
@@brittscott4673 I think that the Z06 will definitely be a decent competitor on the track but I’m not sure how the price gap will justify the performance from the stingray to the Z06. I’m predicting that the Z06 will be almost 100k more than the base model when all is said and done. So I think what you said perfect.
Thanks
You got me with this one Robert! Thumbs up and subscribed. I just got my 2023 C8 a month ago and based on the zo6 $ madness… I’ll be sticking with my stingray.
It's a great car. I have a 2020 and have had no problems at all. And you can own it for 2 or 3 years, and then sell it for at least what you paid for it. Kinda like getting a Corvette to drive for a few years, for FREE!!! Same thing can be said for the Z06. (Unless the FPC engine is a disaster).
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Gosh darn it Robert; thank you for your review and opinion! It is always a pleasure to watch your videos. Thank you for your work. Peace
Your Welcome
OUT STANDING REVIEW,ROBERT...I BELIEVE YOU JUST HIT ONE OUT OF THE PARK...thank you.
I have been waiting since January 2,2020..at 4 different dealerships for allocations on Stingrays, Z06,s and Zr1..C8s...I am done with the games. FOR ME I'M DONE BEING TEASED. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR EXCELLENT WORK..you are about the only sain one out their .
Should have kept the C7 Z06 Robert. I don’t remember if yours was an M7, but my two are (one for summers in Michigan-a Z06/Z07; and one for winters in Florida). I guarantee you they’re a lot more fun, and are absolutely just as quick (with 650 and 725 hp respectively) as 999 people out of 1000 need a car that brakes and handles incredibly to be!!!
Robert very good points #1 dealers should not be allowed to sell cars over MSRP👎🏻
It's called capitalism.
My top 3:
1. Dealer markups
2. Unproven
3. Weight
I have a C6 Z06 and Callaway C7 Z06 in my garage and I track them both. C6Z is on its second motor and C7Z runs hot on track even with upgraded GM radiator (mine is A8). I will get a C8Z in second year provided the testing proves it’s reliable on track
My C6Z motor is going to be shopping for another car to drive if this keeps going. The door handles, replaced, the driver seat, replaced, the front headlight lenses, just limping along with some Meguire spray goop, all weather-stripping, rotted, faded or coming unglued. The motor is the strongest feature I have on the car, but I don't go to the track.
Yeah, dealer markups are criminal. First year cars tend to need sorting. The weight seems reasonable.
If you want something that can handle the track go Porsche and don't look back.
Swap that GM radiator for a Dewitts radiator 👍
@@lspence6810 Yes, I had the radiator upgrade in my C5, and it helped prevent sluggish performance on hot days. The C6 runs so cool on the street, it hasn’t been an issue, guess the dry sump gets credit for that.
Yes, the Z06 is a track car and for the 95% of Corvette buyers who never track their cars, the Z06 is little more than a status symbol or the base for more videos on RUclips. Since max power is made at high rpms, I wonder if it will actually me more responsive in daily driving. On the other hand it takes the C8 to a whole new level placing it squarely in the company of true supercars and in that company it is an incredible bargain. A base 1LT/Z51 with mag ride is @ $75K. The standard wheels are better than anything on the base car so add another $1k, so premium is @ $30k - $33k with gas guzzler tax. If the base car had a 670 hp option upgrade, how much would buyers be willing to pay. I'm guessing a lot. If Ferrari built the same car, it would probably start at $225k so when you change the frame of reference, the Z06 at MSRP is a steal. Add $50k markup and you start having second thoughts.
Just the sound alone of that car is worth the premium. Unfortunately you can't just buy an after market exhaust for the stingray to make it sound like the new z06. It really is in a league of its own sounding like that. Sounds like the old ferraris which don't sound like that either anymore.
@@JsBlazIN $80,000 for the sound upgrade is a little steep (MSRP C8 vs a Z06 at $50,000 markup).
Z06 is great but it’s not 200 grand great which is how much all the local Gm dealers are asking for it , thanks to markups
I love when the "souped up" version of a car has noticeable differences that separates it from the base level. Case in point, my favorite era of cars was the LS1 Firebird/Camaro's. You could immediately tell the care behind you was the V8 LS1 Firebird Trans Am when you look in your rear view mirror and you see the giant nostrils in the hood. To this day that still looks menacing. I wish these C8 Z06's would do something noticeably different to make it stand out more so when someone sees it they are like "Oh yeah, that is a Z06!"
You could always get a Lambo and they will notice the difference right away vs the C8. 🙂 I had the C7 and I still think the C7 was a better looking car than the C8. The Z06 side is a little bit better with extended V boomerang.
The new Z06 has different front bumper, rear bumper, is a widebody, side air intakes are completely different, comes with a wing, different rims and the exhaust note is WAY different.
I think you wouldnt ever confuse a Z06 with a base C8 on the road.
The WS6 Trans Am is still a dream car of mine. That look was one of the most beautiful beasts to ever get tossed into production.
@@planemain6381I've owned many a Firebird over the years, Firebird Formula, Trans Am gta and a base V6. I still love the looks of the LS1 Firebird but that interior, wow 😳. I didn't think it was bad back in the day but after owning a Kia Stinger gt, which is crazy to believe that a 4000lb car is actually faster than the fastest stock 4th gen bird. Interior is really bad, the leather is horrible and the plastic looks like a plastic trash can. I still love the Birds but I'd argue that 3rd, 2nd and the 1st gen cars had more interesting interiors.
Good points! Another reason would be that the base model is a pretty wicked bang for your buck as is! 👍🏻
First time I have watched your videos, excellent food for thought. Thank you
Thanks!!
I thought this car was supposed to retail for $60k. What happened to that?
I think the wide body of the z will look better. I remember the c6z and how much better it looked vs the base c6.
Like you said the lack of reviews worries me. Those won't make available until sometime in October. Biggest reservation imo is how reliable the engine, especially 1st year, will be. The flat plane is different than the gt350 and more like the 458.
You are 100% right, exactly the same interior and same exterior, exterior has the center exhaust, 3.6 inches wider and larger wheels and of course, the motor, I have a 23 Z51 w/mag htc and it’s 0-60 in less than 3 seconds, it is more car than I really need, yes, I would love to have a Z06 sound, but is it worth 60-70 thousands more? And like you said, the reliability of this new LT6 motor, no one knows, but the LT2 motor on the other hand, is basically bulletproof
All though what you say is partially right, you think GM wouldn’t test their vehicles? You think GM wouldn’t make their z06 faster than the base c8? Honestly, the z06 is more of a bang for your buck then the z51 even though it’s more expensive….
Add a MagnaFlow or other aftermarket exhaust & headers of you want “the” sound and all for a just a few thousand $$$
I’m happy I have my Z06 it’s not a C8 but it is a C6 and that’s where they really started to become very special.
Great video Bob. I really enjoy your frankness.
I try to keep it real Jeff. Have owned many Corvettes (21) and raced them for about 20 years or so. All that gives me some experiences to draw from. And I'm still learning!!
What I did was order my C8 Stingray coupe, I didn't need the magnetic ride, so I ordered the LT2, Stingray appearance package, performance exhaust, and some other things like black exhaust tips, etc. The performance exhaust gives me the 495hp which is the same at the Z06. My MSRP is $77, 690. To me that's the best bang for the buck. My dealer sells at MSRP....no games there.
Smart choice.
Not bad I just got a 2020 LT2 a few days ago I am enjoying it. $81k and change yet them taxes ugh
Who’s your dealer?
Mag ride is the best option on vettes in my opinion.
@@shawnwaheed206 Totally unnecessary on non Z51 C8s.
Great vid and honest content, so many concerns and GM seems to really not care. Guess I don't need one that bad, tyty.
My husband is old school. We own a C7 ZO6 and we plan on keeping it. It runs great and is plenty fast enough for us. It has just over 13,000 miles on it. Also were not sold yet on the looks of the C8.
Good for you…enjoy the “ol gal!”
I'm keeping C7. Nothing like driving a Vette with a manual transmission.
Same here c7. Grandsport 2019. Plenty happy
I would rather have the regular C8 with the regular pushrod performance engine. And, I would like them to offer a traditional manual transmission, as an alternative to the dct. I'll say this. The Z06 does sound epic! But I'll go for the regular Vette.
The dealers are flipping the cars lefts and right with huge mark ups. Unfair practices
My biggest complaint about the 2023 Z06 is no availability. My second complaint is the dealer markup and deanship BS games. Although I think the looks should have and could have been better I can deal with it. At first I didn't like the Z07 wing but now that I've seen it I think it gives the car a very exotic look. And I like that about it. If I could get an allocation I'd buy a Black 3LZ Z07 convertible.
There are plenty of dealerships that dont do markups over msrp...throw your name on the list...wait the 4-5 years it will take to get the car and save your money by the time you get the car you will appreciate it and be in a better financial situation. Win win. Im never buying one bc i personally hate the c8 and think the c7 looks way better. Hence the reason i have a c7 z06 lol. You couldn't give me this ugly ass ferarri wanna be
@@summondominion Finally someone who doesn’t over hype the C8. Right now I believe that the Z06 will be almost 100k more than the base model. It’s awful.
@@brodiehicks9584 i love the c8 interior. I just think the exterior is shit. The c7 looks way more badass. Performance wise its a great car. No doubt there. The only issue with the c7 z06 is its to powerful for the frame and there are many issues with the frame flexing and twisting. I dont run mine that hard though.
@@summondominion cool to see someone finally respecting the C7 I myself am a C6 ZR1 person that’s probably my favorite corvette but I think the C7 is the pinnacle. Much Respect my friend.
@@brodiehicks9584 bro for the money they want for a c7 zr1 almost 200k...id just buy a 3 or 4 year old lambo.
Warranty Transfer - BMW maintenance warranty haven’t been transferable since July 2015 so it’s very likely legal GM can do the same.
Not to sound like a know it all but from what my friends are telling me is that no one needs ceramic brakes for day to day use. Ceramic brakes are made to perform best when constantly hot from track use. Every super car owner I know says regular traditional brakes are better and faster responding in almost any street use scenario. Save the money. Ceramic brakes are a scam.
I agree!
Bueno, NO son una estafa, es cierto que no son adecuados para calle, pero este coche es muy rápido, donde puedes exigirle y "disfrutar" su motor es en circuito y ahí es donde los discos cerámicos son más adecuados que los de acero
Robert, being that the Z06 is very likely the first and last flat plane crank GM ever makes. It is also the highest horsepower normally aspirated Corvette ever made and last it's possibly the last internal combustion engine Corvette ever makes. It's pretty obvious this car is going to appreciate astronomically. Yes don't sell it for 12 months but after that the car will be an investment in my opinion.
The other thing is have you priced a top of the line Cadillac Escalade $150,000, or a loaded diesel pickup truck, top of the line is over $100,000 and as soon as you pull them off the showroom floor their value plummets, but they are everywhere.
That's a very nice base C8 Corvette with the Z51 package that you have.
2023 C8 Z06 has less torque than a $60K C8 Stingray with LT2,
so look for some ass kicking to Z06 on some type of race formats.
What will be excuses be when C6/7 Z06 and ZR1 stomp on C8 Z06 ?
Screw the flippers, as they will not really drive those Z06s and will give it a bad name and ruin the car's worth, same as happened to the C4 ZR-1 and those flippers for investment
as they were never raced and GM said, why make them if they are not being marketed for what they were designed for
They have the lfx that’s flat plan crank but this prolly will be the only v8
Liked and subscribed. Beautifull car. Can’t afford one but still my favorite car.
thanks!
Thank you for the wisdom:)
Great video just subscribed!
Thank you for the sub. and comment.
I've owned a 1991 Mercedes 560 SEC for 22 years. 5.6L V8. The window sticker on this vehicle shows a $2,600 guzzler tax when new. This is nothing new, but still a shame.
I like this guy he is keeping it REAL! straight to the point.
Thanks Clarence. I can pretty much say what I believe as I don't work for GM and I'm not trying to sell you a car. Trying to give a view from the owner's eyes.
Good advice, wisdom don’t come cheap! Thanks ,God Bless
Sounds like good fatherly type advise, reminding buyers that when it comes to value the Stingray is one sportcar hard to beat!
What happened to GM when they introduced the C8 they said they would be so affordable now you have to pay upwards of 150,000 to get your hands on one of them newer c8 😞
Good question!!
guess what happens after that purchase , the salesman, sales and finance maanger go in the back room and high five each other and talk about how much theyve whacked you out . this shit is ridiculous
Brother I'm glad I found you. I'm ready to sell my mustang to buy a C8 but I was fixated on a z06 and I was conflicted on this because besides the engine nothing is different yeah some body mods but any way I really happy that I got to know your wisdom.
thank you
I had a 21 c8 was a great daily driver sold it with 3000 miles on it to get a z06 am number 2 on my dealers list but I,m not paying 200000 so I’m back his next allocation list gonna get the 70th anniversary option
Its a big difference in looks just like the c7 stingray compared to the c7 z06 the wideness or z06 and the wider tires makes the z06 look much better and that's just my opinion
The new Z06 is a track focused machine intended to compete with European super cars and in my opinion, the data so far indicates that it DOES that at a price point that is far less than other cars in its class.
It’s disappointing that you don’t give credit to the amazing GM engineers because on several fronts they have pulled off a miracle. I mean the highest horsepower naturally aspirated engine ever produced by a major manufacturer. Come on…
The so- called “ DATA “ is from CHEVROLET, I don’t believe everything they say , actually not much at all they say , three not going to say Anything negative, look at All the deception with the C7 ZO6 overheating problems
I talk about the amazing engineering of the FPC in the next video.
What data? They are making the RUclipsrs who have gotten first dubs keep quiet about their reviews. Who has reported actual data and track times on these cars???
The Vette is a sports car, not a super car and its biggest comp will come from the 911 Turbo S and if its at 200k it's already over priced.
GM today is a trashcan company that survived only because of corporate welfare. Now it's fleecing it's remaining supporters for whatever they have left. It's shameful.
Bob, GREAT COMMENTS. That over MSRP burns me up. My Ford dealer got me good on my GTPE mach e. And tried burning me on my other Mach e. Guess what. I sold them both. F k them. I dont want the Z06. Had plenty of hot cars over the years. And sick of OVER MSRP non sense. A 2LT, loaded similar to your works for me. You got a solid new follower here. Glen in Jersey. Thanks again.
Thanks Glen.
Cancelled my Z06 deposit and now found a dealer where I placed a (much smaler) deposit on an Eray, at window sticker. I'm not near the top of the list but this dealer is the biggest Corvette dealer in FL. So, I might see the car in 2 or 3 years. Right now, I'm enjoying the terrific C8. Maybe I'll never sell it, who knows!!
@@RobertMacCready Not for nothing. And in my humble opinion. The ALL ELECTRIC VETTE will be the killer. I saw your Tesla, looked like the plaid steering wheel. My GTPE thats INSTANT POWER, hell, put a smile on my face every time, and the torque, WOW. The EV RAY looks very sweet. But if you had electric, its the only way to go. They say 2 years. We will see. Thanks for the kind reply.
Excellent points…Also many truly exotic cars to buy for similar price points over the C8 Z at the crazy inflated prices.
That was far better than I expected. Some really good points. That sound is the main draw, but the price gap might not be worth it.
This and the prowlers are the seniors sports car of choice would be my number#1 reason
That's why I'm not getting one will get a E Ray Hybrid !
I hope they use 50hp motors on the front. That will make it about 600 total. If I were way down on the Z06 list, I think I would switch to the Eray.
Still add a Pro Charger and have more than 670 Hp
An electric Corvette, no thanks. You’re obviously not an enthusiast and GM will find out if they produce such a car. How are their current electric cars doing? 💩
Chevrolet has done an absolutely dreadful job , from the crazy price increase to allocations to STILL NOT RELEASING 0-100MPH times , Top Speed , N’Ring times etc etc, I’m growing weary
Hahah you got a great way of expressing yourself man. Fun to watch
I personally think that the Stingray looks better from the front and sounds better due to that V8 rumble, don’t really like that flat plane sound.
I agree!!! I think the stingray looks better from the side and the front as well. And I dont like the ninja bike sound.
@@mdd770 exactly..not sure why people are so obsessed with that flat plane sound.
I want thunder not winding ! 🥸
@@TheFlightman58 haha yup
I much prefer the look of the quad exhaust in the center and the sound of the stock exhaust of the Z06 can’t be matched.
The ZR-1 engine is basically the Z06 engine that has twin-turbo chargers and the flat-plane crank, so I think the ZR-1 sound should be similar to the Z06 engine.
@@RobertMacCready definitely 👍🏼
I agree we do need more data and info on this car. Especially if you're gonna spend a $ 120000. plus
Great commentary 👌 I believe the 2023 Zo6 pricing is representative of GM trying to keep their HALO car very desirable. Limited production and great looks is the recipe for desire. The additional fees are big uncle getting his cut on this exclusive market. The New Z06 with always be on the edge of attainability. I can't wait for the Z06 knock off kits and a 700 Horsepower bolt on supercharger. 😁
I don't think Scotty Kilmer is a fan of turbos and blowers.
I think you're spot on. I had a 2019 C7, sold it and bought a 2022 Shelby GT500. I'll sell it when my number comes up on the C8 Stingray ( not a Z06 ). I understand the sizzle about the Z06 but the best option is the regular Corvette in my opinion. By the way, everyone is going crazy about how wonderful the flat plane crank Z06 sounds. I think it sounds like a 6 banger. There I said it.
Who needs a rocket 🚀. I just want a c-8 of which I am waiting for my number to come up.
The C8 is more than enough for 99% of the people. That's a really good and priced fairly too.
I worked at Chevy Engineering. They treat the public like they treat their employees.
Dealers are marking up the Z06 to astronomic levels. Why? because they can. What the market will bear. There are multimillionaires out there that $200K isn't too much to pay for the best Corvette. Because they can which takes it off the table for the non-millionaire.
If you guys knew as much about automotive engineering as I do, you wouldn't buy a GM car or any Corvette. I grew up in the industry and my father worked for Chevrolet as well.
When getting into the $150K range, Porsche is a better car. For luxury cars, Lexus makes a better can than GM could ever conceive.
A last note. GM could penalize their dealers for marking Corvettes up. They give them free reign and let them f_ck the customer they care nothing about. Customers are fish in the sea and suckers in the eyes of GM management.
People that want a Z06 are more poseurs than real car guys anyway.
A real car guy will buy a high miles base C7 with a manual transmission, pull the engine in his garage, build it to 1000hp, add track suspension, wheels, tires, brakes and run circles around the new Z06 for under $100K.
Amen brother. I agree with your list 👍🏾✌🏾
I’m one month in with my 23 c8 and I’m content and still smiling like crazy. The Z06 looks good, but it also looks like the c8, just on steroids… not better, but different IMO Faster? Of, course. Better? No. Again IMO. But the C8 Z51is just right.
Side note: the complete lack of performance info on such a publicized hyper sports car is a grave cause for concern… does GM know something they’re not sharing? Waiting on the other shoe to drop with that… good luck to those who invest so much $ just to find out.
That sound alone is worth it :)
Your paying for the most powerful naturally aspirated v8
Hey Torrez I believe it is the most powerful naturally aspirated v8, but where is the proof, I really haven't seen any proof on the track, video or really nothing. Are we wanting to buy a car by word of mouth. That is a lot of money for this car. I'm NOT picking on you or trying to start an argument, just a reply on how you feel about what I stated. Have a good day, it's my dream car
@@thomasmccain5362 I totally agree with you. I wouldn’t buy an expensive car without test driving it
@@thomasmccain5362 Don't know if you've seen the dyno runs yet but it's putting down right at 600 HP. I forget the torque but the curve is awesome too. It's a bit higher than anything I know of.
@@thomasmccain5362 check out speed phenom
@@thomasmccain5362 watch throttle house than
I would love to see a C8 Z06 vs C7 Z06 head to head to justify the cost. I would love to see it head-to-head on a track with both cars driven by experience track drivers. And to see how the difference would be to justify the cost let alone a performance difference.
Look at the Nurburgring times for both cars
@@robertcurrie410 yes, I do understand what you’re saying. But does the price difference qualify for just 3 seconds difference on the Nuremberg lap.
Robert, I totally agree with you. Just saw a drag race on "Brink of Speed" and that regular C8 is no slouch! The C8 Z06 barely beat it by a single car length and even lost one time.
It's not controversial, it's facts. The Z06 will fail.
First of all let me say I'm glad you got a C8 that you wanted. Second of all .... I am not a fan of the C8. I don't like them. C8 looks like it copied a Ferrari. I like the C7 better. Anyway I don't understand why people are paying these inflated prices for any cars or trucks. People need to quit buying and it will force the prices of cars and trucks to decrease. If you don't need it, don't buy it. I'm not going to buy a vehicle at these inflated prices and let the dealers make out like bandits. Dealers are robbing people. We are in control. We don't have to let the money leave our pockets if the price is too high. We all need to stick together.
My opinion the base model is great but z06 is a huge upgrade no doubt. From the engine/brakes/carbon components/ widened body/ tires/ rims/engine/ and tons of functioning aero and performance parts... Z06 is an animal... But that of course reflects the price tag. Both are beautiful performing rides that's for sure.
To sum it up.... Base model is like the classy well behaved brother..
and ...... z06 would be the short tempered trouble starting tattooed brother! lol! xD
Yes!
I’ll take the base Z06 which comes pretty much loaded. No heated seat and electronics you don’t need. It’s a drivers car to rip around in. It’s like no other for the price and still have the ability to compete directly with Ferrari.
The C8 stingray price loaded is no bargain. It’s almost as much as a Z06. The loaded stingray is a nice car that’s fast out of the hole. After that the muscle cars like the GT500 take it. The stingray is the ride to the country club. The ZO6 is ride to Italy.
The lack of a 200 MPH top speed with a Z07 package is my top reason, multiplied by the dealer trying to get $100k over msrp are my top reasons.
Took back my deposit on a C8 Z06 and got on a list for an ERay. Dealer has a policy that you can always get back your deposit, and he sells all his new Corvettes at MSRP. It is a great dealership.
I've been working with a local dealer here in Florida and they want to charge me $50,000 over MSRP, while discussing the purchase with the dealer I was informed that if Chevrolet raises the price of the Z06 while I am waiting on their list I would be charged the additional increase. The zo6 that I have built is over 165,000 Plus $3,000 gas tax plus 7% sales tax Plus $50,000 dealer increase and if the car goes up in price between now and the time the order is placed I would be responsible for the difference or the additional cost. This sounds like total greed to me. At this point I am probably going to put the brakes on purchasing the new Z06, and I did not mention the constraints I was also informed that a lot of the items that I want on my build will not be available such as the big carbon fiber wing and a few other items. I was willing to pay over MSRP, but 50,000 and that will not guarantee or lock in the price of my car if GM decides to raise the price during production. Not looking good for GM right now. Good luck to everyone else who decides to purchase this car can't wait to see one in real life on the streets. As far as my deal goes, I think I'm going to pass this time around.
Not sure why GM lets the dealers gouge the customers. Lousy PR
Charging me 80k over msrp in ny
If you guys buy under those circumstances you are foolish. Just sayin'. Sorry
I respect your opinions. You are the traditional Corvette target audience the stingray was designed for. But for me I went from never even considering a Corvette to a Z06 being at the top of my list.
Was on the list for a Z06, took my name off and got on an ERay list. Production figures of the Z06 are terrible and they just shut down the assembly line again. Not good signs for the Z06 or the ERay. Not sure what's wrong with Bowling Green but I think that the "Just In Time" inventory parts delivery system is not working like it should.
Beautiful car,my favorite color combo,excellent points sir,it's a shame we're pricing and dealer gouging has come,GODBLESS SIR.
Thank You, Sir. Interesting, my 2019 ZO6, M7 had no gas guzzler tax, but the Auto did. The taxes are something to consider in today’s market. I believe that the ZR1, 2019, is faster. Also I was curious about the board of directors of GM. They don’t seem like car people but bean counters.
GM is a profit focused company like every other. Those Ferrari, McLaren, and Porsche car people are much, much bigger bean counters.
@@philsalley3278 I just think that Harley Earl, Arkus Duntov, and others were car people in charge. If you want to stay in business, you can’t keep cutting corners. Like the C7 ZO6 and GS cast wheels.
The Zr1 is a ROCKET SHIP IN A BAG. You are correct as to speed, Color me Gone, as in now!!!!!!!
@@joelpierce3940 Didn't know GM was in danger of going out of business.
you made some very good points and just like the regular Vette it will be only for the rich. They are getting out of hand with these cars. no way anyone should pay 100,000. for the Vette...that's why I hate dealers. there's got to be a better way to buy a car.
Points well taken!!
Thanks for the content. I enjoyed your delivery. It’s refreshing.
Looking at aftermarket exhausts/headers and the pricing is nuts. So, I'm doing a radar detector setup that works with WAZE that I think you'all will like. Will be 1 more week before I get the unit.
Nice little car to do the weekly shop.
Agree 100% Sir. Excellent content. Subscribed
Thanks Sean. Just catching up on the comments.
2 reasons not to buy a new z06. 1 - it’s a first year car and never buy a first year car. 2 - The price gouging is ridiculous. JMO 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you Robert for your insight on this car! I am glad I stumbled onto your site. Not that I have the money now, but you never know. I came across the new 2024 Dodge Challenger SRT. When you check out this gorgeous ride, you'll say, C8 WHAT???
There's no pricing for it yet. My understanding is there will be different versions. The inside is...INSANE!!
reason to buy the C8 Z06...flat plane V-8.
reason not to buy the C8 Z06...dealers ADM insanity
Too much for the new ZO6. And as much as I like the base C8 I still have yet to part with my 2017 black rose ZO6!
I totally agree with you, I think the cost of the new Corvettes has gotten so ridiculous. One of the greatest things about the Corvette is they were the “every man’s” sports car, now they are being priced far out of reach for many to obtain. I almost bought one when you could still get a new one for around $80k now they are about double that with the “dealer MSRP tax”.
So I already decided I am going to buy an older C5 Zo6 put a supercharger, intake, cam, forged rods/pistons, headers with muffler delete exhaust and upgrade the injectors/fuel system, the parts will run about $12-$13k and the engine will make 650+ hp to the rear wheels.
If I decide I want to go really crazy I can buy the carbon fiber body panels for another $10k and I can throw in some lighter racing seats and wheels, headlight inserts, remove the springs and upgrade the suspension for $4-$5k and easily cut 400 lbs off the car.
A nice factory C5 Zo6 with low miles on it will only set you back $20-$25k they weigh 3,125 lbs with the weight reduction if I add the quarter cage for safety your looking at a car that will only weigh about 2,800 lbs and have over 750 hp with the performance mods. All in all if I do most of the easy stuff myself I’ll have less than $50 grand out of pocket for a street legal race car that is reliable and can be daily driven.
If you can find one, and you really want to spend 3 to 4 times the amount of money to buy the new 2023 C8 Zo6 with 670 hp and has a 3,535 to 3,637 lbs curb weight depending on the trim package I’ll be sure to wave when I pass you 😅
Interesting post.
Brother, just buy a new Stingray for MSRP. You will be so much happier. New state-of-the-art masterpiece. You'll regret it if you dont.
The ENTIRE C8 rollout has been the WORST new car introduction in the history of GM and they just keep making it worse. Did it ever occur to GM to perhaps start making s!$&t themselves?!! They’d be in control of quality, control of production volume, control of changes, etc. what a concept! Old Henry Ford and the Dodge brothers must be rolling over in their graves with how US auto production has fallen slave to foreign suppliers.🥺
People are getting hosed buying these things. Simple as that!!!
This is one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever seen on the c8 🤣. You are out of your mind. Not even worth talking about
@@larrywilliams3858 I got mine way used 👍 like always. I traded my POS 78 Twenty years not driven, for the yellow 04 in my picture. Needs a little work mainly on those Chinese made GM parts. Not Lol!!!! Other than those electronic little problems the car is scary fast.
Excellent commentary
- most powerful naturally aspirated v8 ever. Rev-8,600 rpm a sound like no other American car. It’s truly an American Ferrari.
-there are some hot laps out go watch.
-I knew the corvette community would be hating on the zo6.
I agree they shouldn’t be so hard to get.
And they shouldn’t be marked up like they are.
First press car is finally in the US more content to come.
-it’s a car that will only go up in value. I think it’s going to be an all time car.
The dealer gap has to go. F*** the dealers.
Ford is doing it.
No more allocations for the Z06 till next year. Total Cluster F! by GM
Maybe we'll only see those cars at BJackson in Arizona.
Huge disappointment and I've bought 20 new ones over the past 50 years. Been a big Corvette fan for all those years. Races them for 20 years. Have a C8 and it's been a great car for the last 22 months. Maybe it will be my last one!!
In my case, my garage I don't think, will fit the "enlarged" butt end! I had to measure the opening and place a tape line in the center so when I drive in my garage I can see (camera in front) that my car is centered to drive in to my garage!
So far, very satisfied with my 2LT 2023 Stingray!
As far as appearance goes I think that applies to the c7 as well. Until I see the badge I can’t tell if it’s a GS or z06. Thanks for the video
The Z06 literally has gray taillights.
@@GinNBoost wow what a difference lmao
Mr. MacCready; Please provide your info about your 2020 C8. The reason is that I am going to purchase 2020 C8 like your. Thanks a lot! Thanks for sharing the informative video clip. I, totally 100% agree with you. God bless you and yours*****
I'm actually working on a new video that is a 22 month review of my 2020 C8. Should be out in a few days.
@@RobertMacCready looking ahead to that thank you, sir.
Looks way better. Sounds better. Has the most horse power. Areo all over. 8500 rpm yeah I would love to have a zo6
Hi Bob was told by someone that you have one on order.
Yes, I have a deposit on one and I'm near the top of the list.
@@RobertMacCready congrats Bob can’t wait to see it. Now a question for you what tint number did you get for your side windows and your front window. I watch all your videos but can’t see where you said. And are they easy to see out of? When is the next meet and greet ? Thanks Ed/Ken
By the way good video u make some good points I never wanted a Z06 anyway just my Stingray is fine for me..
Just stumbled on your channel and I watched this video. It sounds like you are from the NE. Can you specify what state ? Love the vid !
I'm a Masshole. Actually, from Cape Cod. Finally got smart and moved to FL 8 years ago. Can drive the Corvette all year round.
Nice to see a subjective view of the new Z06 away from all the hype. My 2021 C8 had a base price of $59,000.00. Which is affordable to most people. The new Z06 is over a hundred grand and out of most peoples reach. I’m glad I got mine when I did.
Lots of people didn't expect the big price increase.
Personally glad about #10. Takes the A$$hole flippers out of the game for good. opens up allocations for real buyers and a slap in the face to some of those greedy dealerships who are asking $30K-$40K over msrp on used stingrays today. Imagine what the markup will be on Z06!
80k over smh I was going to buy one until the dealer told me that
It’s only 6 months now. It’s my money and don’t tell me when I can sell the freakin thing
Insurance cost will likely be higher too Robert. 😎👍🏼👍🏼
Amazing video!
You made some very good points.
Widebody C6 with extra money to fix it up is the move
We have the same build. What are you using in the engine area to make it look so nice? And do you use anything on the interior? I’m afraid to put anything on.
I don't use anything on the interior accept maybe a damp cloth. On the sides of the engine compartment, I tried some sprays and they were terrible. The only thing that worked for me was Adam's Hand Polish. It's a blue polish and I have about 3 coats applied. So, if you do 2 or 3 coats, it takes the "eyes" off the area!!!
Well there you have it then. Each reason is good enough for me to just keep my '22 HTC. I'm very happy with it so far. Like you said some of those cars will be spec'd out over $160K. Not to mention the flat plane crank engines vibrate like old Harleys and the engines don't last long, so I've read. I think I'd rather have 2 Stingrays!!
Nobody brings content to RUclips like Mr. MacCready! Controversial or not, this man tells it lke it is while the other guys are busy selling crappy stick on plastic parts.....LOL....Geez Mac, your car is really looking good! We appreciate all the time you spend to bring us useful and practical content! Thank You so much!! We look forward to your next installment! Still the best!!
Thanks!!!
How many non track buyers (95%) would buy a Z06 if they could upgrade to the center exhausts for $5k?
Great video!
These all sound like similar arguments to the ZR1 for the C4… I’m not a fan of C4s, but I LOVE what GM did with the ZR1 of that era.
I fell in love with Corvettes when I was young and they came out with the C5 Z06. I’ve wanted to own one ever since. I still can’t afford a Z06, I’ll just have to make due with my C5 Vert, but I do have goals to own a C8 Z06 one day! Hopefully you’ve convinced everybody to not buy one so I can afford one! 😂
I am glad I came across your video. I 100% agree with you. What happened to the pricing? A buyer could buy a C7 Z06 for under $100k brand new. Literally. ow the C8 Z06 is well over $100k, and with dealer markups, will be over $200k easy. What happened? I'm sorry, but a few years in-between a generation does not make the new Z06 model sell for over double what its previous generation was! It just doesn't! That never happened before with each gen Z06 model. Why does is dictate now? Also, the new Z06 looks so plain and dull to me compared to the regular C8 Vette. There just isn't much of a difference in styling to say "check out my Z06" like there was with the C7 and C6 generations. The new Z06 is a better performer. Cool. But when a regular C8 Vette already performs extremely well, why doe that even matter anymore?
Just liked and subscribed bud. I am 40 years old, so just a couple years younger than you haha, but my car enthusiast ideology is directly in line with yours. You keep it real, which I like. You don't get the same realness (if that's even a word) with the younger generation of car enthusiasts. They just hype up everything for no reason, just to get "views".
Welcome and thanks for the post.
I agree. Chevy dropped the ball with the exterior styling for the entire rear end of the car period! I purchased a c7 zo6 during A period of time when chevy made sure to limit the amount of orders it allowed dealers to make and they stopped taking orders for them and i still found one brand new out of state with no mark up from macmulkin. Chevy and the dealerships are both responsible for the price hikes. Its not just the dealership. They're not pumping them out fast enough from the factory and for reasons other than chip shortages.
Best opening act I ever heard. Their popularity will go viral.