Varying CQB Methods - Which method is best?
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2023
- In this video I discuss various CQB methods and the two main types, namely Dynamic Entry and Threshold Assaults. I discuss the differences between the two and some of my recent experiences at a new CQB facility, Panoramic CQB.
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This channel is great and criminally underrated.
Thank you sir.
Would love to see you and Alex do run some stuff iot see the differences. Neat perspective.
As always great explanation of differences in techniques ! Thanks for doing what you do keep it up!!!!
Dude. Nice job!! Solid explanation of the nuances with trying to select one method. I always say, it takes an extreme understanding of your situation to start to point towards success. If you don’t have information to help welllll then that isss your information and maybe your tactics go off that fact or lack of. Thanks for the content man keep it coming!! 🤘
I like these videos as 'just in case' in future people are in a home defence scenario, these tips might be useful, even though as civilians with minimal training the #1 rule of CQB for us should be 'don't do it!' It also can be I guess an interesting mental exercise for most of us who will never have to do this, we definitely are not experienced experts like yourself.
I think on watching the video clip of yourself in the shoothouse, I did think on watching the original that you might be doing some things differently 'in real life', to avoid giving away SWAT tactics. The one noticeable thing is, for example, in 1.03 on this current video as you are pie-ing the door, your rifle muzzle is pointed downward. You raise it at 1.04 to acquire the target and shoot. In real life, is it not the case that your rifle muzzle is seated in your shoulder pocket with the muzzle pointed 'up' at chest height at almost all times, so when you pie and see someone and make the decision to shoot, you can do so straight away without taking the time to 'lift' the muzzle and acquire the target? - like in real life you approach this situation slightly differently than what you show for us in the video, in order to keep tactics secret and other reasons?
Also, when shuffling to pie the threshold using the limited penetration method, if you are in a tight hallway and other team members have to move past you down the hallway, do you compress the rifle to prevent the muzzle breaking the threshold and thus giving away your position to anyone who is inside the room?
I agree in a tight economy if people dont use a facility, it tends to disappear. The shoothouse looks like a great training facility for military and civilians alike, hopefully people see that and support it, especially with it being given coverage from persons such as yourself.
If you think I modify something on film for op sec purposes I do not. Any mistakes you observe are either due to camera angle or just real world mistakes. They happen. Particularly in the realm of exposing my muzzle beyond the threshold. It happens. Real world CQB looks nothing like RUclips CQB. Houses are cluttered, dirty and full of people. People who are scared, drunk, sleeping, violent and everything in between. It does not look sexy and smooth. You trip over shit, you kick over toys, you climb over piles of clothes, you grab screaming kids and you get pushed around by your own team mates. It is a chaotic endeavor.
@@GunfatherMilsim Thanks for your answer! I can't truly criticise as I am an amateur. I understand that I guess in real life, sh*t happens, so CQB is very difficult! But yes, thank you for clarifying, i'm always keen to learn, and you have a wealth of experience.
@Raul Datta Sorry I forgot to answer you muzzle down question. The answer is that is real life, you have to see what you see before you do what you do. Real world we announce, "Police, search warrant". People typically get on the ground. Children and dogs are on the ground. Evidence (often guns) are on the ground. You need to keep your weapon out of your line of sight so you can see all these things.
@@GunfatherMilsim Ah yes, this makes perfect sense, I understand now. Thank you greatly for taking the time to re-read my comment and answer, I appreciate it!
Threshold assaults always worked best for me playing rainbow six and ghost recon on pc the early edition games. I like the theory behind both styles, that said even in a video game if I rushed it I ended up dead and possibly and usually my partner as well. Thanks for the video. Tango down
I think that dynamic and limited penetration both have good uses. Dynamic could be best if you need to rapidly dominate and clear a structure, but limited penetration could be best if you have time as it reduces the unknown.
I see it as something that is a bit like using a screw vs a nail, they both can fasten things together, but they are slightly different to each other, and better in their own situation.
The only reason I would dynamically enter a room was if there was an innocent under threat. If you encounter a prepared defender you have a low probability of success. True hostage rescue room entries are very rare. I have done two in my career. Both successful. Statistically I won't have a 3rd.
@@GunfatherMilsim I'm surprised Ohio keeps you that busy to be honest.
@@chickensandwich1589 I don't live/work in Ohio, but I think you would be surprised how busy SWAT teams are in medium to large metropolitan cities.
@@GunfatherMilsim I live in SE VA, so I am not new to violent crime actually. I've been in multiple firearm related altercations and been "jumped" or attacked seventeen times in my 30 years... Only ever got to see swat in action twice though. One hostage rescue and one drug bust. Where I'm at, the special LE units look pretty squared away, unlike the street cops.
@@chickensandwich1589 as someone who works in the same metro area as Gunfather, there is no shortage of work, and won't be for the foreseeable future.
Dam underated
I think threshold assault is what the military uses. Room clearing in my mind seems to be the best way to get killed.
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Thanks for the video! You are really a very good instructor. What does your SWAT team use for self defense method? MMA?, BJJ?, SPEAR?, RAT? or something else? Thanks.
It varies from person to person. My background is all Muay Thai and boxing. Some of the guys are into BJJ. Most of us have been trained in Spear and Krav Maga throughout our career. Some are just big strong guys who know how to throw a punch. In reality use of force for SWAT teams is rare. We only have to use force in about 5% of our operations and most of those are a small amount, ex. pushing someone against a wall or pulling them to the floor. True, knock down, drag out fights are about 1% of total operations. Those are typically very short events due to our numeric advantage.
@@GunfatherMilsim Ok. Thank you for your answer!
this video is epic, btw have anyone said that you look like Jon Bernthal?
Thank you and yes, often.
WTF! what you think i cant have a full tactical training live fire facility with full-time ex military instructors. they have black belts and tranied with seal team 69 and the space force all in my parents basement.well i do.as soon as i lose some weight im gonna set up a specific run thru the course on my way to get the fruit roll-ups my mom gets me from the store. iv been in more classified black ops in my sleep than you have.in real life. every time i have my dad shave my back you can see how ripped and cut up i am. so i have the expirience to critic any cqb video. since im not really supposed to let the public know im so savagely trained i have to teach people how to not get killed by commenting on airsoft videos. i'll be waiting for an apology...... lol. tht is the guy leaving that dumb crap in your comment section. im sure he's like you runnin toward fire, danger and armed criminals not running away like 99.(% of us. youre the hero. anyone disputing your techiniques isnt allowed to take dishes to his room in mom's basement. thank you for your service. cheers
I read all of that.
@@GunfatherMilsim did you at least get a chuckle that was what the whole goal was lol
@gregory franks Yes sir I did. Thank you.
I made a comment on that video you did, and was critical of you. Instead of being open to listening to someone else, you lashed out. No one argued about the method. It was your incredibly poor execution and TTP/SOP’s that we were critical of.
Not about you. Thanks for watching?