I pre-ordered The Keep 4K on Amazon US, it has a great cast and an interesting story. Though there are times where it kind of feels like an 80s music video but I still dig it a lot.
Even though it's flawed, I love this movie. I have several different versions of varying quality including a very grungy grindhouse release, which kinda adds it's own flavour to the film. The ending, which was cut from this version can be found on RUclips, in not so great quality unfortunately. I recommend the book, it fills in a lot of the gaping holes in the story.
@@LurkingCrassZero there’s definitely something about this movie and I say that with no bias nostalgia as I only saw it for 1st time about 2 yrs ago. Reminds me of blade runner in some ways but that’s probably because there’s similar music and a dark 80s tone
According to an interview at the time, The Keep was always meant to be 2 hours long, so Mann only had to remove 30 mins when the studio forced him to edit it. The 3 hour 30 min version was only the assembly cut with everything they had shot cut together before editing it down into a final film
I got Looking for Mr Goodbar. I mostly love movies that have 1970's or 80's real world stuff. It makes me nostalgic for my childhood. Plus the 70's never looked as good as in Looking for Mr Goodbar. Amazing quality. I think you convinced me to go get Sliver, I saw it when it came out in theaters, but was so/so on getting the VS release before.
I don't recall seeing this movie all the way through but recognize bits and peices of it. I'm stoked that Alberta Watson is in it. I loved her in the La Femme Nikita series. I went for the newly remastered dvd of The Keep for around $12. I think my player will make it look especially good but don't think most movies are worth the 4k version for the price unless, maybe I had an OLED tv. VS has the standard 4k edition up for grabs. No slip or booklet.
Hi Ken, happy new year to you and Michelle.This movie used to be so hard to find, i remember in the day having to buy a VHS to Dvd copy! It really is a great movie, the Tangerine Dream soundtrack gives it a very unique feel.
The Keep was basically all studio interference. The same thing happened to Michael Mann on The Last of the Mohicans which was originally 3 hours long but Fox made him cut it down to 115 minutes for more theater screenings and that film suffered because of it but not nearly as bad as this one. Mann has refused to go back to fix the film. I know that in 2004 Paramount announced a Special Edition DVD that was planned to have the theatrical cut and a European version that had a different ending that has been seen here in the versions shown on television. It was supposed to also have a commentary by Mann according to the announcement and a lot of special features. Mann nixed it himself since he was still very bitter about the entire experience with the studio taking the film from him much like David Lynch would go through with Dune in 1984 in which he swore he would never go back or get involved with it and also David Fincher on Alien 3 which still a bitter situation. To coincide with The Keep US planned release was going to be a world premiere of the soundtrack which has not been released (legally) to this day with shit load of bootlegs of it out there. A shame this didnt happen 20 years ago but to get the film in a great package like this eases the sting somewhat.
Very interesting. Sometimes I think it’s better to just leave the films as is. Wondering what could have been is often more fun than actually getting it.
@@robertnewell6956 That's a boot. Tangerine Dream almost never licenses anything of theirs especially The Keep. They have re-recorded alot of the music from the film for other projects but the film tracks, no way have they been released since Paramount /Viacom has rights to it and also the remaining members of TD have alot of say in their releases. Now I wish the complete 8 Hour sessions they recorded for Risky Business' score would come out but no way it is without their say so and same goes with Thief.
@@robertnewell6956 I'm a soundtrack collector for 30 years now as well as worked as a soundtrack reviewer for more than ten years so I would know. If there was a legit version of the score from the film this would've been BIG news in that community and I would've already owned it by now IF IT WAS REAL. Tangerine Dream has not had a legitimate produced release of this at all. Most of the bootlegs are taken from their recordings from either live concerts or one of their albums reinterpreting the material. If it was a real release it would've been by a major label like Virgin who TD was affliated with for many years and they were the ones who were planning to release it back in 2004. The Keep at this point would be just like the movie..a limited edition release by a label like Intrada Records or La-La Land Records. TD has a major say like I said before in what they release which is why this is not legit no matter what you say. I know a friend who has at least 3 to 4 boots of this score and he's in the industry so he knows it's not legal.
Happy New Year, Ken. Missed out on the limited edition (like a lot of people, I didn't expect it to sell out so soon), but I did pick up the standard edition, and more than happy with it.
I grew up with it on VHS. So have always enjoyed it. Plus I read the book from F. Paul Wilson and loved it. I can understand newbies not liking it due to all the hype over the years.
Nah people getting mad cause they couldn't get the cardboard. The standard is available right now on their website and Amazon as well as other retailers I'm sure. Cardboard cry babies have overtaken the world of physical media. It's disgusting
@@SleazeFiend69if the price without the cardboard was cheaper I would %100 agree with you. But who doesn’t want the definitive edition especially when your already spending for a premium product.
Ordered right after they released those "extra copies" and am STILL waiting for VS to ship it. Maybe that second batch isn't printed up just yet? As far as the actual movie, I can't remember if I saw it in the theater, but I made a VHS copy off of HBO in the later half of the 80's. I am a sucker for supernatural / occult WW2 movies, so I can't help but like it.
There's 2 documentaries on that Spookies release, the other one is about the infamous VHS label Vipco and goes into detail about the video nasty era and stuff. Well worth a watch 👍 Cheers Ken my man, happy new year to you
Great video. I recently read the book then immediately watced the movie via RUclips . I would have been 110% lost otherwise. That being said, I need a copy of that movie.
I found the Australian-release DVD a year or so after watching it once on TV. I've just finished the Audible version of the book so many of the problems were "explained" but a few were in it from the book.
The I remember the marketing of this movie seeming really mysterious, and I wanted to see it when it came out. I finally saw it recently, I'm not even sure what version I've seen. I kind of think of it as a 'Mona Lisa' level work of art that was pressured into being made in crayola crayon. "Thief" was a really strong debut for Michael Mann. I think it's easy to see that based on the story, and the acting talent there is a really great movie there somewhere. The SFX are so dated, and I think there were some technical gambles that just didn't pay off (at least in the long run). I really think this story with the right physical setting and a solid FX budget could really be a classic. I think there could be enough there for a mini-series on the scale of "The Man in the High Castle".
The Keep is very disjointed. I was lucky to see the film in the cinema, and confusion was palpable. The movies remarkable element is John Box's incredible production design which demonstrates why David Lean hired him on Lawrence and Dr Zhivago, probably one of the best English Production Designer's in the business at the time. The effects have, in some places, dated the production, but this is, for me, a more curious watch. For all the controversy that surrounds the production and Mann's total lack of interest in the movie, for which I can understand, The Keep does have this unusual allure which seems to raise it's head every once in a while. The cinematography is quite captivating in places, not too sure about score though. It seems to need a more orchestral arrangement, but that's something of a personal preference.
I've got to say that I saw the movie when I was a teen, when it originally came to theaters, and I was not impressed. In fact, maybe partly because I read the book and loved it, I disliked the movie so much that I have never had a desire to watch it again. So... as much as the 4K release might be a visual improvement, something tells me that I would never watch it more than once, either. I'm more excited for Greg Nicotero's coming remake, which hopefully won't get cancelled for any reason.
The chances of a "director's cut" of this (which isn't a definitive cut in actual moviemaking, just a contractual one) ever coming out for this movie are remote-at-best. Michael Mann is unlikely to ever revisit what for him was an artistic and commercial failure, never mind his most recent ones aren't far off either. It would be great to add the connective-tissue that Paramount executives took out, but only what's left of the studio knows if any materials might still exist. It's possible that Vinegar Syndrome knows as well: their opening statement suggests that there are in fact film materials for the alternate tv ending, so that's something. A 3hr cut of most movies is just an early stage edit, nothing more, or less. It would cost a colossal amount of money to go back and essentially redo postproduction, but since it sold out so fast, who knows? I don't see it coming soon and the idea of a remake is laughable for a variety of reasons.
The Keep is not horrible . I liked it for what it was. Sliver is a pretty movie. I wasn’t going to pay that much for these movies but I didn’t have either so I broke my rule of paying over $40 for a single movie.
Sliver also was a mess of a movie where the back story is a lot more entertaining than most of the film. Joe Eszterhaus (pronounced Ester-has) wrote Basic Instinct and it was a big hit and hired him and Sharon Stone for this. Stone wanted Brad Pitt to co-star with him because they were friends and had better chemistry with him than Billy Baldwin who she hated so much that they couldn’t be filmed together in the same shot. The ending was changed and had to be reshot. The blu ray is the international version which has more nudity much like the DVD Paramount put out in 2006 which has this version. Too bad VS couldn’t put both versions of the film just to have them. Watch the interview with Philip Noyce it’s really good and of course the studio would interfere with The Saint with Val Kilmer which Noyce also directed completely changing the ending which was much better than the final one that was reshot. I’d expect VS to do that movie at some point just imagine the great artwork it would have and possible special features.
My order hasn’t shipped yet, but I got: The Iceman Cometh | The McPherson Tape (AGFA) | Pathogen (AGFA) | Jeremy (Fun City Editions) | Goin’ South 4K limited edition (Cinematograph) | The Taking w/slipcover. (Dekanolog) | Prospect 4K (Gunpowder & Sky) partner only month sale | I also got one of their new t-shirts, the Skulluloid, maroon variant. And some slipcover protectors. For the subscriber week daily deals I got: Fade to Black | 5 Card Stud (VSL) | Forbidden Love (Canadian International Pictures) | I was tempted to preorder Virtuosity, because I love that bonkers movie, but unless the number of limited editions drop below 1000, I’m going wait for BF sale
I've never seen or heard of The Keep until this release was said to have been sold out everywhere bc scalpers want to sell it for 7 thousand dollars on eBay.
Saw the keep probably too young. Rewatched it not too long ago. Didn't really hold up. Agree it seems cut to death. Too bad, Mann's movies are usually great
I had never seen this before and knew nothing about it other than message board conversation. First 20-30 minutes had me hooked. The whole Scott Glenn/Alberta Watson romance threw me off because I assumed it would go somewhere. It never did. It was very Indiana Jones in the sense that, if it never occurred, the movie would have still played out the same. Radu Molasar looked very cool at first, especially in the scene when it converses with Ian McKellan... then gets cartoonish in the last scene with Scott Glenn. Just very torn on the movie. The presentation looks and sound good, though! Pacing was decent, too.
Just viewed The Keep on DVD. The picture was ok but the sound balance was terrible and difficult to hear the dialogue , and no subtitles. However, as a cult movie was an ok viewing experience otherwise. Hearing that it was drastically cut makes sense.
Yes, I have had the Aus DVD for a couple of years, the music is great but unfortunately the quality is awful as it's so flat and does nothing on my surround system.
I'm on the fence concerning this title. I love, love, LOVE Michael Mann's films...but I've never seen The Keep. It looks...not great. Thank you, Ken, for posting this video!
I've never seen the full movie but caught 1/2 or 2/3 of it on TV. For the longest time I had no clue of the film title or even knew it's directed by Michael Mann (which probably has a lot to do why this VS release is such a success). That said I'm not paying $50 for it, much less the eBay scalper prices. Will wait until digital $5 sale.
A ton of controversy about this movie in the Vinegar Syndrome group on FB. People seem to love it or hate it. I think the first 35 minutes excellent but it just falls off a cliff in the second act. That whole romance seemed very unnecessary and just stopped the movie in its track. The third act does pick up a bit but not enough to save the movie. So much potential with a talented director and an excellent cast
The reason I missed out on this special edition is down to me never having heard about it, reading about the troubled production online, and then wondering if it would be worthwhile. Next thing I knew was a social media post saying it had sold out. To be honest I'd rather get the upcoming Via Vision release as they always do a nice set that includes original poster art.
Bit of a waste that could’ve gone to someone that actually is a fan & have been waiting for it for decades it has a cult following and was only available on a standard SD dvd until now
Its too bad Vinegar Syndrome makes so little of the more premium versions of their releases. I'm too busy to keep up with them and always miss the ones I want, like The Keep - I JUST heard of it and the box set is already sold out after apparently two days. It's disappointing. These limited releases always make ebay sellers and other online sellers buy them up and resell at HIGH prices. Literally causes a little black market rip off sell fest online. Wish these companies would just go to a produce on demand model like many companies rather than do these tiny limited releases. (The Keep only releases with the box set version with 12,000 copies. That is a joke. Of course it sold out in two days. Only those who were literally watching and waiting for the release to happen had a chance in hell of getting a copy.) Ebay sellers are currently selling it at $120- 170.
Messy as hell... But love this movie Love the book as well. Hope the new movie in development gets it right. Reordered this. Costing me about $70au to get it to sydney
The hard box and the slipcover could have been so much more and now after watching it once I probably will never watch it again who wants to buy my copy LOL
Hey Ken this movie like Congo didn't do anything for me and both are extremely expensive. I think 🤔 I'll wait till prices drop. I heard another company is going to also do THE KEEP and possibly have the director's cut.
@@midlevelmedia I hope so. I didn't hate either movie, but the prices fifty bucks each. Ouch 😳 Hopefully we get the long version of The KEEP. I felt like the movie skipped areas and it is the first time watch for me that I paid $4 on prime New Year's Eve to watch.
The streaming version of this movie sucks. Kinda washed out and grainy with no solidity to anything. Seems like a bad transfer or a crappy source. I own a streaming copy because I've always liked the movie, but it doesn't look very good. That's a shame because the visuals are striking. I'm glad to know that there's a new high resolution transfer out there now. Hopefully it will trickle down to streaming at some point. Thanks for the review!
The Keep is a terrible film, but if you look at how troubled and torturous the production was, it's kind of inevitable that it wouldn't come together, and I don't think it was entirely Michael Mann's fault. Paramount wanted Mann's original cut of 210 minutes cut down to 120, and when the 120 minute cut tested poorly, Paramount cut it down even further and subsequently released a film with unfinished sound and poor editing. It's a shame because Mann doing a horror film with Nazis getting fucked up would have been cool as shit, but luckily Mann came roaring back with Manhunter.
You shouldn't have to worry about spoiler talk, Ken. This movie is 40 years old and you shouldn't watch a review for a film you havent seen. You're just asking for trouble
VS consistently has the WORST art and design. Not a single release of theirs is packaged well. The Keep and Congo look like they held a contest for kindergarteners and Little Billy won. Keeps me from taking them at all seriously as a distributor.
I agree with you about the Congo artwork (is that sperm on the cover?!) but The Keep is cool. And isn’t packaging what they’re known for? Do you mean the way it’s packed (shipping)?
Streamed The Keep before considering buying the Vinegar Syndrome release and I’m glad I did. That movie sucks! Y’all are shelling out $50 plus for a movie the director dosen’t even like or wants anything to do with.
Amazon is selling this for 100 CAD for the standard version. Absolutely ridiculous. Can’t vinegar syndrome just print more. Why do they only make so little. Not a fan of imprint, so I won’t be getting that version.
I pre-ordered The Keep 4K on Amazon US, it has a great cast and an interesting story.
Though there are times where it kind of feels like an 80s music video but I still dig it a lot.
Even though it's flawed, I love this movie. I have several different versions of varying quality including a very grungy grindhouse release, which kinda adds it's own flavour to the film. The ending, which was cut from this version can be found on RUclips, in not so great quality unfortunately. I recommend the book, it fills in a lot of the gaping holes in the story.
@@LurkingCrassZero there’s definitely something about this movie and I say that with no bias nostalgia as I only saw it for 1st time about 2 yrs ago. Reminds me of blade runner in some ways but that’s probably because there’s similar music and a dark 80s tone
According to an interview at the time, The Keep was always meant to be 2 hours long, so Mann only had to remove 30 mins when the studio forced him to edit it. The 3 hour 30 min version was only the assembly cut with everything they had shot cut together before editing it down into a final film
I got Looking for Mr Goodbar. I mostly love movies that have 1970's or 80's real world stuff. It makes me nostalgic for my childhood. Plus the 70's never looked as good as in Looking for Mr Goodbar. Amazing quality. I think you convinced me to go get Sliver, I saw it when it came out in theaters, but was so/so on getting the VS release before.
Johannes Schmoelling was in Tangerine Dream from 1979-1985
I don't recall seeing this movie all the way through but recognize bits and peices of it. I'm stoked that Alberta Watson is in it. I loved her in the La Femme Nikita series. I went for the newly remastered dvd of The Keep for around $12. I think my player will make it look especially good but don't think most movies are worth the 4k version for the price unless, maybe I had an OLED tv. VS has the standard 4k edition up for grabs. No slip or booklet.
The Keep was released on dvd in Australia by viavision (Imprint) same label .And it was on Netflix for a couple of years .
Hi Ken, happy new year to you and Michelle.This movie used to be so hard to find, i remember in the day having to buy a VHS to Dvd copy! It really is a great movie, the Tangerine Dream soundtrack gives it a very unique feel.
Sliver is a fun guilty pleasure movie for sure but not paying $50 for the 4k.
Understandable
The Keep was basically all studio interference. The same thing happened to Michael Mann on The Last of the Mohicans which was originally 3 hours long but Fox made him cut it down to 115 minutes for more theater screenings and that film suffered because of it but not nearly as bad as this one. Mann has refused to go back to fix the film. I know that in 2004 Paramount announced a Special Edition DVD that was planned to have the theatrical cut and a European version that had a different ending that has been seen here in the versions shown on television. It was supposed to also have a commentary by Mann according to the announcement and a lot of special features. Mann nixed it himself since he was still very bitter about the entire experience with the studio taking the film from him much like David Lynch would go through with Dune in 1984 in which he swore he would never go back or get involved with it and also David Fincher on Alien 3 which still a bitter situation. To coincide with The Keep US planned release was going to be a world premiere of the soundtrack which has not been released (legally) to this day with shit load of bootlegs of it out there. A shame this didnt happen 20 years ago but to get the film in a great package like this eases the sting somewhat.
Very interesting. Sometimes I think it’s better to just leave the films as is. Wondering what could have been is often more fun than actually getting it.
The soundtrack to The Keep was officially released on the Pilots of Purple Twilight box set from 2020.
@@robertnewell6956 That's a boot. Tangerine Dream almost never licenses anything of theirs especially The Keep. They have re-recorded alot of the music from the film for other projects but the film tracks, no way have they been released since Paramount /Viacom has rights to it and also the remaining members of TD have alot of say in their releases. Now I wish the complete 8 Hour sessions they recorded for Risky Business' score would come out but no way it is without their say so and same goes with Thief.
@ yeah, not a bootleg…you are misinformed.
@@robertnewell6956 I'm a soundtrack collector for 30 years now as well as worked as a soundtrack reviewer for more than ten years so I would know. If there was a legit version of the score from the film this would've been BIG news in that community and I would've already owned it by now IF IT WAS REAL. Tangerine Dream has not had a legitimate produced release of this at all. Most of the bootlegs are taken from their recordings from either live concerts or one of their albums reinterpreting the material. If it was a real release it would've been by a major label like Virgin who TD was affliated with for many years and they were the ones who were planning to release it back in 2004. The Keep at this point would be just like the movie..a limited edition release by a label like Intrada Records or La-La Land Records. TD has a major say like I said before in what they release which is why this is not legit no matter what you say. I know a friend who has at least 3 to 4 boots of this score and he's in the industry so he knows it's not legal.
Happy New Year, Ken.
Missed out on the limited edition (like a lot of people, I didn't expect it to sell out so soon), but I did pick up the standard edition, and more than happy with it.
Very nice. You’re not missing out on much with this packaging anyways.
I grew up with it on VHS. So have always enjoyed it. Plus I read the book from F. Paul Wilson and loved it. I can understand newbies not liking it due to all the hype over the years.
The website stated a magnet clasp box but was just a slipcase.
I mean you saw the pictures though, right?? Kinda funny it’s still incorrectly described on site
Strange.
Scott Glen in the keep: "One man! Alone! Betrayed by the country he loves! The Maestro."
People getting mad because they could not get The Keep, and Imprint is going to release it in a few months.
Yes they are.
Nah people getting mad cause they couldn't get the cardboard. The standard is available right now on their website and Amazon as well as other retailers I'm sure. Cardboard cry babies have overtaken the world of physical media. It's disgusting
@@SleazeFiend69if the price without the cardboard was cheaper I would %100 agree with you. But who doesn’t want the definitive edition especially when your already spending for a premium product.
@@SleazeFiend69it’s the fomo. No reason they can’t release slipcovers for an extended time
It’s probably contractual otherwise all their release would all have slipcases forever.
I've got a blu ray version from Germany 🇩🇪 it's pretty ok 👌. Been a fan of this movie 🎦 for quite some time just ordered the 4k version.. Cant wait.
Nice
Ordered right after they released those "extra copies" and am STILL waiting for VS to ship it. Maybe that second batch isn't printed up just yet?
As far as the actual movie, I can't remember if I saw it in the theater, but I made a VHS copy off of HBO in the later half of the 80's. I am a sucker for supernatural / occult WW2 movies, so I can't help but like it.
Nice. Save yourself the extra moolah. Packaging wasn’t great anyway.
No. I placed my order before it sold out and I’m still waiting on mine too
I love how you clear your throat at the end of each sentence.
@@Celestialaztec Thanks
There's 2 documentaries on that Spookies release, the other one is about the infamous VHS label Vipco and goes into detail about the video nasty era and stuff.
Well worth a watch 👍
Cheers Ken my man, happy new year to you
Great video.
I recently read the book then immediately watced the movie via RUclips . I would have been 110% lost otherwise. That being said, I need a copy of that movie.
I found the Australian-release DVD a year or so after watching it once on TV. I've just finished the Audible version of the book so many of the problems were "explained" but a few were in it from the book.
Very cool. Definitely want to check out the book.
The I remember the marketing of this movie seeming really mysterious, and I wanted to see it when it came out. I finally saw it recently, I'm not even sure what version I've seen. I kind of think of it as a 'Mona Lisa' level work of art that was pressured into being made in crayola crayon.
"Thief" was a really strong debut for Michael Mann. I think it's easy to see that based on the story, and the acting talent there is a really great movie there somewhere. The SFX are so dated, and I think there were some technical gambles that just didn't pay off (at least in the long run).
I really think this story with the right physical setting and a solid FX budget could really be a classic. I think there could be enough there for a mini-series on the scale of "The Man in the High Castle".
The Keep is very disjointed. I was lucky to see the film in the cinema, and confusion was palpable. The movies remarkable element is John Box's incredible production design which demonstrates why David Lean hired him on Lawrence and Dr Zhivago, probably one of the best English Production Designer's in the business at the time. The effects have, in some places, dated the production, but this is, for me, a more curious watch. For all the controversy that surrounds the production and Mann's total lack of interest in the movie, for which I can understand, The Keep does have this unusual allure which seems to raise it's head every once in a while. The cinematography is quite captivating in places, not too sure about score though. It seems to need a more orchestral arrangement, but that's something of a personal preference.
Very cool! Would have loved to be there for the reaction.
Is this a director's cut or still the studio meddled version?
It’s not the director’s cut.
Its on digital. Or was. It was the same quality of the australian dvd. Before that it was just widescreen laserdisc and full frame vhs.
I'll have to pick it up. The standard edition is a great deal while its in stock! Maybe they'll add a new slipcover option at some point.
I read the book a long time ago and saw the movie. After your review I may get a 4k copy. Long live physical media.
I've got to say that I saw the movie when I was a teen, when it originally came to theaters, and I was not impressed. In fact, maybe partly because I read the book and loved it, I disliked the movie so much that I have never had a desire to watch it again. So... as much as the 4K release might be a visual improvement, something tells me that I would never watch it more than once, either. I'm more excited for Greg Nicotero's coming remake, which hopefully won't get cancelled for any reason.
The chances of a "director's cut" of this (which isn't a definitive cut in actual moviemaking, just a contractual one) ever coming out for this movie are remote-at-best. Michael Mann is unlikely to ever revisit what for him was an artistic and commercial failure, never mind his most recent ones aren't far off either. It would be great to add the connective-tissue that Paramount executives took out, but only what's left of the studio knows if any materials might still exist. It's possible that Vinegar Syndrome knows as well: their opening statement suggests that there are in fact film materials for the alternate tv ending, so that's something. A 3hr cut of most movies is just an early stage edit, nothing more, or less. It would cost a colossal amount of money to go back and essentially redo postproduction, but since it sold out so fast, who knows? I don't see it coming soon and the idea of a remake is laughable for a variety of reasons.
The Keep is not horrible . I liked it for what it was. Sliver is a pretty movie. I wasn’t going to pay that much for these movies but I didn’t have either so I broke my rule of paying over $40 for a single movie.
Appreciate your take on it
Sliver also was a mess of a movie where the back story is a lot more entertaining than most of the film. Joe Eszterhaus (pronounced Ester-has) wrote Basic Instinct and it was a big hit and hired him and Sharon Stone for this. Stone wanted Brad Pitt to co-star with him because they were friends and had better chemistry with him than Billy Baldwin who she hated so much that they couldn’t be filmed together in the same shot. The ending was changed and had to be reshot. The blu ray is the international version which has more nudity much like the DVD Paramount put out in 2006 which has this version. Too bad VS couldn’t put both versions of the film just to have them. Watch the interview with Philip Noyce it’s really good and of course the studio would interfere with The Saint with Val Kilmer which Noyce also directed completely changing the ending which was much better than the final one that was reshot. I’d expect VS to do that movie at some point just imagine the great artwork it would have and possible special features.
Nice. Looking forward to Sliver for sure.
It’s EST-er-HOUSE
My order hasn’t shipped yet, but I got: The Iceman Cometh | The McPherson Tape (AGFA) | Pathogen (AGFA) | Jeremy (Fun City Editions) | Goin’ South 4K limited edition (Cinematograph) | The Taking w/slipcover. (Dekanolog) | Prospect 4K (Gunpowder & Sky) partner only month sale | I also got one of their new t-shirts, the Skulluloid, maroon variant. And some slipcover protectors.
For the subscriber week daily deals I got: Fade to Black | 5 Card Stud (VSL) | Forbidden Love (Canadian International Pictures) | I was tempted to preorder Virtuosity, because I love that bonkers movie, but unless the number of limited editions drop below 1000, I’m going wait for BF sale
I've never seen or heard of The Keep until this release was said to have been sold out everywhere bc scalpers want to sell it for 7 thousand dollars on eBay.
Stop whining kid. You had 2 days to buy it if you wanted
@@reginaldforthright805two days is crazy dog
Don’t pay it. Watch it on streaming and you’ll be good.
@@reginaldforthright805 🤣😂🤣
It's really not very good, just another terrible b movie with a nice box. It was panned when it came out
Saw the keep probably too young. Rewatched it not too long ago. Didn't really hold up. Agree it seems cut to death. Too bad, Mann's movies are usually great
Yeah. Very disjointed
I had never seen this before and knew nothing about it other than message board conversation. First 20-30 minutes had me hooked.
The whole Scott Glenn/Alberta Watson romance threw me off because I assumed it would go somewhere. It never did. It was very Indiana Jones in the sense that, if it never occurred, the movie would have still played out the same.
Radu Molasar looked very cool at first, especially in the scene when it converses with Ian McKellan... then gets cartoonish in the last scene with Scott Glenn. Just very torn on the movie. The presentation looks and sound good, though! Pacing was decent, too.
Yeah. The romance came and it went out of nowhere.
What happened to the goatee? I was getting used to it haha
Just viewed The Keep on DVD. The picture was ok but the sound balance was terrible and difficult to hear the dialogue , and no subtitles. However, as a cult movie was an ok viewing experience otherwise. Hearing that it was drastically cut makes sense.
Interesting
Yes, I have had the Aus DVD for a couple of years, the music is great but unfortunately the quality is awful as it's so flat and does nothing on my surround system.
I'm on the fence concerning this title. I love, love, LOVE Michael Mann's films...but I've never seen The Keep. It looks...not great. Thank you, Ken, for posting this video!
I would never use great and The Keep in the same sentence. lol… But it is worth a watch.
I've never seen the full movie but caught 1/2 or 2/3 of it on TV. For the longest time I had no clue of the film title or even knew it's directed by Michael Mann (which probably has a lot to do why this VS release is such a success). That said I'm not paying $50 for it, much less the eBay scalper prices. Will wait until digital $5 sale.
You can see The Keep quite often on PlutoTV
Thief is easily his best.
I miss Silver 😂
Same…same
I sold Sliver when I received it. I had seen it years ago and wasn't too impressed. The packaging was nice but the movie itself is not.
That’s what they do
Can you go into detail about why you didn’t like it? It looks like a fun horny 90s thriller :)
@@jonathannoble9465that’s exactly what it is. It’s enjoyable as long as you don’t expect too much.
A ton of controversy about this movie in the Vinegar Syndrome group on FB. People seem to love it or hate it. I think the first 35 minutes excellent but it just falls off a cliff in the second act. That whole romance seemed very unnecessary and just stopped the movie in its track. The third act does pick up a bit but not enough to save the movie. So much potential with a talented director and an excellent cast
Romance make zero sense. Lol
I agree. This is mainly because it was cut to ribbons on the editing floor. I think Mann made a mistake for not going full horror.
It is just a mess of a movie. I suspect that many who pre ordered it have never seen it.
I've never seen this movie before but I'm definitely having buyer's remorse
No Cannibal the musical for you?
I’m still waiting for my order of $200 I have nothing to watch now….. Except for the hundreds of sealed Blu-ray’s on my shelf lol
The reason I missed out on this special edition is down to me never having heard about it, reading about the troubled production online, and then wondering if it would be worthwhile. Next thing I knew was a social media post saying it had sold out. To be honest I'd rather get the upcoming Via Vision release as they always do a nice set that includes original poster art.
Bit of a waste that could’ve gone to someone that actually is a fan & have been waiting for it for decades it has a cult following and was only available on a standard SD dvd until now
The “fans” should have been there to pre-order. 🤷♂️
@ you’ve got me there i didn’t know until it already sold out + i’m in the u.k. but i’ve got the jan 28th release on order so i’m happy with that
Suffers from the studio cutting it to ribbons. This is why the movie is a mess with scenes all over the place . A real shame
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If it's not the directors cut it's a waste of time
Unfortunately I don’t think we’ll ever see it.
Its too bad Vinegar Syndrome makes so little of the more premium versions of their releases. I'm too busy to keep up with them and always miss the ones I want, like The Keep - I JUST heard of it and the box set is already sold out after apparently two days. It's disappointing. These limited releases always make ebay sellers and other online sellers buy them up and resell at HIGH prices. Literally causes a little black market rip off sell fest online.
Wish these companies would just go to a produce on demand model like many companies rather than do these tiny limited releases. (The Keep only releases with the box set version with 12,000 copies. That is a joke. Of course it sold out in two days. Only those who were literally watching and waiting for the release to happen had a chance in hell of getting a copy.)
Ebay sellers are currently selling it at $120- 170.
VIRTUOSITY is the only VS title I'm willing to pay $50 for.
I was a big fan of the book. But I remember being _deeply_ disappointed by the movie. I had no desire to buy the 4k.
Doesnt sound like a movie I want to pay $50 for.
Messy as hell...
But love this movie
Love the book as well. Hope the new movie in development gets it right.
Reordered this. Costing me about $70au to get it to sydney
I kind of want to get the book now.
@@midlevelmedia The book is amazing! Highly recommend you do.
its on MGM+ but who has that? nobody I know.
The hard box and the slipcover could have been so much more and now after watching it once I probably will never watch it again who wants to buy my copy LOL
The Keep is basically half a film. And its a complete mess.
An interesting watch regardless
Hey Ken this movie like Congo didn't do anything for me and both are extremely expensive. I think 🤔 I'll wait till prices drop. I heard another company is going to also do THE KEEP and possibly have the director's cut.
We’ll see if Imprint gets it.
@@midlevelmedia I hope so. I didn't hate either movie, but the prices fifty bucks each. Ouch 😳 Hopefully we get the long version of The KEEP. I felt like the movie skipped areas and it is the first time watch for me that I paid $4 on prime New Year's Eve to watch.
@@donjaun540 IMPRINT is putting out The Keep on 4k this year but there is no longer version. It's the same theatrical version.
I like the Keep artwork better than Sliver! Sliver just looks like a bunch of TVs. I got The Keep not Sliver.
The streaming version of this movie sucks. Kinda washed out and grainy with no solidity to anything. Seems like a bad transfer or a crappy source. I own a streaming copy because I've always liked the movie, but it doesn't look very good. That's a shame because the visuals are striking. I'm glad to know that there's a new high resolution transfer out there now. Hopefully it will trickle down to streaming at some point. Thanks for the review!
Yeah a very infamous movie
The book was amazing the movie was meh even though Michael Mann made it, the story couldn’t be filmed properly then, now it could quite nicely
Yeah, The Keep's a hot mess. Its uneven and weirdly edited, but I love the visuals and atmosphere of the film a lot.
Lots of negativity in the comment section. Is everyone just starting 2025 off in a bad mood or something? Chill.
The Keep is a terrible film, but if you look at how troubled and torturous the production was, it's kind of inevitable that it wouldn't come together, and I don't think it was entirely Michael Mann's fault. Paramount wanted Mann's original cut of 210 minutes cut down to 120, and when the 120 minute cut tested poorly, Paramount cut it down even further and subsequently released a film with unfinished sound and poor editing. It's a shame because Mann doing a horror film with Nazis getting fucked up would have been cool as shit, but luckily Mann came roaring back with Manhunter.
It wasn't even a recut version. So I'm ok with it. But to market it that way was crappy imo.
Those essays have been pretty lame. I like the ones for Cinematographe. I actually feel like i get a better insight of the films.
I remember the stuff in Little Darlings was very good.
Not too sure about this film. For now my first preorder for 2025 will be Panic Room
Molasar
MOLUSAR!
Its not a Keeper
New release has too much teal, i.e. no deal.
Dude, re watch your videos and try and cut down on the “likes”.
@@sageparra4956 I do rewatch them when I edit. lol
You're never going to do the neverending story like you said you would, are you? you lied. :(
Check the live section of the channel and not the video section. The Neverending Story unboxing was a week ago.
@@The_Rring Yea I saw that, but Ken also said there would be a seperate review. Thanks.
I’m a liar. What can I say.
@@midlevelmedia :{
Are you a toddler? 😂
Yes, it is worth it. Certainly better than the SD streaming prints with lossy audio making the rounds.
You shouldn't have to worry about spoiler talk, Ken. This movie is 40 years old and you shouldn't watch a review for a film you havent seen. You're just asking for trouble
I agree to an extent, but I try to keep it light. Some people just want to hear about the movie and whether they may enjoy it or not.
Saw the movie years ago and it's not good ... I couldn't care less how "valuable" this edition is on the secondary market.
Fair enough
Thief is a classic. The Keep is boring AF
Congo sucks
You suck
Congo rocks.
Why people buy incomplete movies?
I don't know one actor in this movie
VS consistently has the WORST art and design. Not a single release of theirs is packaged well. The Keep and Congo look like they held a contest for kindergarteners and Little Billy won. Keeps me from taking them at all seriously as a distributor.
I agree with you about the Congo artwork (is that sperm on the cover?!) but The Keep is cool. And isn’t packaging what they’re known for? Do you mean the way it’s packed (shipping)?
The packaging is top notch not sure what your beef is there. The art is hit or miss though.
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Streamed The Keep before considering buying the Vinegar Syndrome release and I’m glad I did. That movie sucks! Y’all are shelling out $50 plus for a movie the director dosen’t even like or wants anything to do with.
But I can sell it for 150 on ebay 😂
@ totally the reason 90% of the people got it.🤣
Shit movie with a decent box.
I seriously doubt people specifically asked for this movie. Only the vs fanboys got excited when it was announced because they'll buy anything
All that fuss over a mediocre movie, can’t stand collectors sometimes.
Amazon is selling this for 100 CAD for the standard version. Absolutely ridiculous. Can’t vinegar syndrome just print more. Why do they only make so little. Not a fan of imprint, so I won’t be getting that version.
The reason why it’s so much is because it’s being sold by a 3rd party seller. The standard is available on VS for 35 or whatever that is in CAD
They did print more. On their website now.
@ just ordered thanks for the heads up
It's a bad movie ....
Definitely not it's a trash movie.