Ganondorf’s Betrayal

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  • Опубликовано: 29 дек 2024

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  • @zzzr0wlit
    @zzzr0wlit Месяц назад +534

    Ganon decided to assassinate the king because he felt like it. He then proceeded to chase Zelda. After realising that a random kid in an elf outfit was going back to the temple of time he thought that the kid was more important than the princess of Hyrule and decided to chase him instead.

    • @Gamblegork
      @Gamblegork Месяц назад +48

      always trust your gut

    • @Hypex-Rex
      @Hypex-Rex Месяц назад +14

      @@Gamblegorkgood advice

    • @victor-vyt
      @victor-vyt Месяц назад +17

      "he felt like it" lol😭

    • @samsonhaze6595
      @samsonhaze6595 Месяц назад +38

      He saw link recovering whatever object Princess Zelda had thrown in his direction, inferring that her trust in him would grant him access to the power he sought, and he was 100% spot on in discerning this relationship & exploiting it to his benefit

    • @jasiahhaye8317
      @jasiahhaye8317 28 дней назад +2

      @@samsonhaze6595ganon has batman level play making

  • @christineflaherty298
    @christineflaherty298 Месяц назад +254

    Well, there was a civil war in hyrule once right? The Shadow temple was very telling of this by explaining the issues with the royal family and the result that ensued. It doesnt surprise me to think the guards didnt exactly have good relations with the king. Letting innocents get killed should've been another issue but their anger was probably still pretty fresh. Link himself was a result of that war when his mother left him with the kokiri.

  • @haydanoc8779
    @haydanoc8779 Месяц назад +189

    OOT needs a re-telling, a faithful remake where the lore has more exposure in cut scenes that explain stuff a bit more in-depth.

    • @Cyn_likes_corpses
      @Cyn_likes_corpses Месяц назад +11

      DEFINITELY

    • @BananaMike780
      @BananaMike780 Месяц назад +20

      I recommend the manga adaptation

    • @haydanoc8779
      @haydanoc8779 Месяц назад +1

      @ oooh that's an idea :)

    • @caracatoacacepe
      @caracatoacacepe Месяц назад +3

      SKIPPABLE cutscenes preferably. Don't need another Skyward Sword fiasco

    • @BananaMike780
      @BananaMike780 29 дней назад +19

      @@caracatoacacepe ok arin relax, maybe be patient

  • @BrandonJulianWindsor7
    @BrandonJulianWindsor7 Месяц назад +86

    I never would've thought of the guards betraying the Royal Family but there is the one gaurd in castle town who becomes the poe collector seven years later and is a follower of Ganondorf, I guess if he defected then other guards could too

    • @Blaze-cr2iu
      @Blaze-cr2iu 23 дня назад +7

      It’s not entirely impossible, don’t forget about the civil war that had recently happened. Link himself became an orphan in the Kokiri Forest due to that very civil war, it’s quite possible that a good amount of guards didn’t have a positive opinion of the King.

    • @Blaze-cr2iu
      @Blaze-cr2iu 23 дня назад +2

      It’s not entirely impossible, don’t forget about the civil war that had recently happened. Link himself became an orphan in the Kokiri Forest due to that very civil war, it’s quite possible that a good amount of guards didn’t have a positive opinion of the King.

    • @chandlerblachut3878
      @chandlerblachut3878 6 дней назад +1

      Other than the guard being alive and in the ruins of castle town, did they ever imply he was a follower of Ganondorf? I personally assumed he was related to the Sheika somehow. He has Sheika outfits and a single giant eye.

  • @Dav06_23
    @Dav06_23 Месяц назад +36

    I'm pretty sure the Gerudo DO endorse Ganondorf though, with the important exception of Nabooru (and possibly the other Iron Knuckles, if they've also been brainwashed).
    When you go to Gerudo Fortress to advance your quest, and after finishing freeing the carpenters, the lady who gives you the pass to enter refers to Ganondorf as "the Great Ganondorf", and she very much embraces him as king, implying that Ganondorf is respected, or at bare minimum, not hated.
    To this, I add Nabooru's dialogue when you meet her as a child.
    _"Though we're both thieves, I'm completely different from Ganondorf. With his _*_followers,_*_ he stole from women and children, and he even killed people! A kid like you may not know this, but the Gerudo race consists only of women. Only one man is born every hundred years... Even though our laws say that lone male Gerudo must become King of the Gerudo, _*_I'll_*_ never bow to such an evil man!"_
    Notice followers. That could be seen as "his men", but I'm pretty sure it's other Gerudo (such as the lady I mentioned) who actually DO look up to the guy, for whatever reason (maybe, despite the horrible acts they were commiting, their condition did improve?). Also notice how Nabooru specifies *she* will not follow that man which seems to me like she is the exception, and not the rule.
    Aaaand, I'm _pretty_ "Ganondorf's men" is a mistranslation, or at least that's what I heard a while ago.
    Other than that, everything seems pretty legit. Neat!

    • @cathygrandstaff1957
      @cathygrandstaff1957 День назад +2

      Well the fact that Ganondorf is one of the very rare male Garudo means he would be seen as having some sort of divine providence, as in the Gods themselves declared he should be their leader by making him male. So his followers would have been Garudo who kept to the tradition that the male becomes leader, while Garudo like Nabooru would have been renegades that rebelled due to Ganondorf attacking women and children, including fatally wounding Link’s mother while she was fleeing with the infant hero in her arms.

    • @DanielMWJ
      @DanielMWJ 6 часов назад

      ​@@cathygrandstaff1957Yeah. I would expect just Nabooru and several dissenters loyal to her are the only Gerudo not loyal to him.

  • @NenMagem9106
    @NenMagem9106 29 дней назад +11

    Originally men was a neutral term (one of the best examples of this being how tolkien wrote the lord of the rings, always refering to humans simply as men) so I don't see why the soldier refering to the gerudo as Ganondorf's men changes anything, honestly.

  • @JoylessBurrito
    @JoylessBurrito Месяц назад +19

    Ganondorf’s men could have just been gerudo in Iron Knuckle armor. It would make it pretty hard to tell tell their gender at a glance, and we do know that the twinrova were brainwashing gerudo into iron knuckles

  • @BreadsticksFN
    @BreadsticksFN Месяц назад +83

    I don’t think the guards didn’t try to stop him, I just think that you know, HE HAS THE TRIFORCE OF POWER

    • @MaximeLafreniere433
      @MaximeLafreniere433 Месяц назад +20

      He didn't have it at that time.
      He only obtained it after Link opened the Sacred Realm after the Coup d'État.

    • @GODOFAWSOMENESS1
      @GODOFAWSOMENESS1 Месяц назад +5

      There is his dark magic and the Gerudo who do follow him

    • @BreadsticksFN
      @BreadsticksFN 28 дней назад +1

      @@MaximeLafreniere433 my bad lol!

  • @HALLLLP
    @HALLLLP Месяц назад +27

    I hate trying to figure out these time things. it makes my brain hurt. thank you for breaking it down for my stupid mortal mind to understand

  • @Bradknotbotandy
    @Bradknotbotandy Месяц назад +9

    It's typical behavior from the guards. They also don't help out the bomb lady in Clock Town from being robbed.

    • @dranoradragonqueen1494
      @dranoradragonqueen1494 Месяц назад +2

      different place different guards. Can't be compared so directly like that.

    • @IorekB92
      @IorekB92 Месяц назад

      Termina is an alternate world to Hyrule...

    • @Bradknotbotandy
      @Bradknotbotandy Месяц назад

      Nerds

    • @dranoradragonqueen1494
      @dranoradragonqueen1494 Месяц назад

      @@Bradknotbotandy literally any one with brain or a mild curiosity could figure this out it's not that hard people or all you guys just dumb? so no not a nerd thing as you would need to deep dive to count as a nerd dud

    • @Bradknotbotandy
      @Bradknotbotandy Месяц назад

      @@dranoradragonqueen1494 Lore is for nerds. Get out of Mom's basement.

  • @baileybitofmischief7071
    @baileybitofmischief7071 Месяц назад +14

    The gerudo probably wore armor, and as show by the enemies in the sand temple, the armor doesn’t really have any emphasis on the female parts of the body, so “ganondorfs men” are probably just gerudos in battle armor, although he could very well have hired mercenaries.

  • @pustulioyo
    @pustulioyo Месяц назад +2

    This is why we need a Zelda movie and that Zelda movie 100% needs to be based on Ocarina of Time.
    It's one of the few Zelda games where the plot is just a little bit undercooked, in that they could have done more with it in terms of explaining what happened.
    Ganondorf's takeover of Hyrule is the best example of this, they do not go into very much detail about the events in the actual game.

  • @lexidemun
    @lexidemun Месяц назад +14

    Link really did this timeline dirty. Both him and zelda. If he just hadn't been sent back in time the timeline wouldn't have split, and if link had payed more attention, Ganon wouldn't have followed him to the temple of time. Smh

    • @UselessGoddess378
      @UselessGoddess378 Месяц назад +9

      he was like 9 cut him some slack

    • @FourthIdentity-gu2zk
      @FourthIdentity-gu2zk Месяц назад +5

      To be fair, they were both given premonitions by the goddesses and guided by sages into purposefully doing everything they had, because they ALL knew he was going to be evil. So technically even the goddesses apparently had no idea everything would happen so fast or that Ganondorf would decide to follow a random elf boy instead of the princess

    • @jazzyjswift
      @jazzyjswift Месяц назад +1

      @@FourthIdentity-gu2zk Or the plan all along was to split the timeline.
      We still don't know why or how BotW is a culmination of all 3 timelines. There's a gap and it might end up explaining more of OoT.

  • @William.Kelly7
    @William.Kelly7 Месяц назад +3

    Men refers to troops. There's no implication of gender when used in this manner. Similar to man in place of human or mankind

  • @Jackaboi124
    @Jackaboi124 29 дней назад +1

    “I must finish what I started” ahh moment

  • @gamingduck006
    @gamingduck006 28 дней назад +1

    My theory for the guards was that they were forced to comply with Ganondorf after the assassination of the King of Hyrule. But there is evidence of a scrapped in ruins castle town in the game files that would only appear in the past after Ganondorf’s attack on the castle, but still have NPC’s

  • @austin702
    @austin702 27 дней назад +1

    “Its very odd the soldiers didn’t bother stopping Ganondorf”
    Bro would you have stepped in front of a person who looked like that? 😂

  • @Ed_man_talking9
    @Ed_man_talking9 25 дней назад +2

    part of me wonders if he bribed half of the royal guards with wives and riches, only to be fuel for his monstrous army, or the women were intended to be large and imposing like BotW, and if they wore armor they could easily be confused for imposing men like the iron knuckles.

  • @JordySword
    @JordySword День назад

    The king said “Oh sh-t!”
    🤣😂

  • @GrillledChiip
    @GrillledChiip Месяц назад +4

    I still don't know why ganondorf always has a huge rock in his forhead

    • @dranoradragonqueen1494
      @dranoradragonqueen1494 Месяц назад +5

      The garudo of oot all have head rocks as you called them. Their gem stones by the way. I suspect that they help channel magic, either to strengthen or to brain wash. For naburo it was brain wash. For ganon and his witch mothers it was to strengthen. Quite possibly other people were brainwashed too with the gems.

  • @SinnohJohtoKanto
    @SinnohJohtoKanto Месяц назад +1

    I feel like the guards failing to stop Ganondorf is just a sign that, as shown in any game really with royal guards, they're kinda useless. Then it makes sense they'd defect to Ganondorf's side once he took over since they're also shown to be cowardly

  • @ausgamecollector
    @ausgamecollector Месяц назад +1

    First model shown = Tranondorf Quagmire

  • @darkyami12141
    @darkyami12141 8 дней назад

    You know this could work, considering that Twinrova have the ability to control minds like what they did with Nabooru

  • @mrdrybonestv
    @mrdrybonestv 5 дней назад

    I’m pretty sure it’s a lot simpler than that. Ganon launched a surprise attack and as we see even without the triforce he was very powerful. He probably just overwhelmed the guards when he attacked the king and got the triforce before a substantial army was able to oppose him.

  • @vanilla8956
    @vanilla8956 28 дней назад

    I always assumed "Ganondorf's men" was a mistranslation but I never checked

  • @Kaisarfire
    @Kaisarfire 25 минут назад

    Ganon was at the castle to pledge Gerudo loyalty. Obviously, that was a ploy, so it is safe to say the Gerudo were completely on board with Ganon. Why do you think their fort is completely untouched?!

  • @cathygrandstaff1957
    @cathygrandstaff1957 День назад

    Well Ganondorf wanted the Triforce, he presumably was able to find out the Triforce was in the Temple of Time, but was guarded by a door requiring the Ocarina of Time and the treasures of the Kokiri, Zora and Gorons. He had no further use for the King after that and Zelda had the Ocarina so he pursued her, then he observed her throw the Ocarina to Link and so he followed Link and it paid off for him.

  • @allenellsworth5799
    @allenellsworth5799 12 часов назад

    What were those guards gonna do. Look at em

  • @zachbush7636
    @zachbush7636 19 дней назад

    Gerudo men were born only once a century, and that is the king

  • @Wanderer_Rogue
    @Wanderer_Rogue 18 дней назад

    Next time I play, I'm grabbing the Ocarina out of the moat and going to go hide out in Kokiri Forest for the rest of my days, so Hyrule never has to go through the Downfall.

  • @cherrislots554
    @cherrislots554 25 дней назад

    He went in with an army of Iron knuckles brainwashed soldiers thanks to the witches just like the sage

  • @YokoX23
    @YokoX23 2 дня назад

    The men could have been Sheikah, which later became Yiga.

  • @memory_LF
    @memory_LF Месяц назад

    this is the most serious i’ve ever heard j0j0 sound

  • @person-1gd
    @person-1gd Месяц назад

    I never thought of it like that. J0J0 always has the best theories.

  • @giganticmoon
    @giganticmoon 13 дней назад

    see, when people tell me that oot has a good story, i want to believe them like this, but i can’t when its all just told

  • @jaywhy7556
    @jaywhy7556 Месяц назад +1

    AHHHHHG G-G-G-G GANON! ❤

  • @AdudenamedKemp
    @AdudenamedKemp 28 дней назад

    Look, we don't know anything about this king. Maybe he deserved it! Maybe they were sick of scrubbing all the floors in Hyrule!

  • @tacocat318
    @tacocat318 23 дня назад

    Another scenario. Majority of the guard did not know what was happening. Gannon was a foreign diplomat who was held in very high regard by the king. Its likely the guard were all under order by the king to treat him similar to the royal family. Its not like now where you can send word across the city in seconds and most of the townsfolk dont seem to notice anything happening either. Now Gannon likely had a few loyalists in the guard but not enough to do everything that smoothly. More likely is when the king died, zelda immediately flees and Gannon persues. Majority of the guard might not yet know the king is dead. They probably have no clue what is going on and don't have enough time to flip from peacetime to war when its been years since they have had to really do anything other than keep the peace. On top of that they are under orders to follow most of the orders of Gannon as an advisor to the king.

  • @dylanthedestroyerofevilwizards
    @dylanthedestroyerofevilwizards 28 дней назад

    Yes this game is rated e for everyone

  • @Psychic-fang79
    @Psychic-fang79 Месяц назад +1

    I just played that part a hour ago

  • @Ultimate_Anime_Fan
    @Ultimate_Anime_Fan Месяц назад +20

    Zelda had a kinda stupid plan

    • @javiervasquez625
      @javiervasquez625 Месяц назад +22

      10 years old, her father was an idiot who couldn't spot a megalomaniac psychopath even if he stood in front of him, and the Golden Goddesses had already preordained Link getting sealed as per the _prophecy_ carved on the altar inside the Temple of Time.
      Give her a rest.

  • @Gamblegork
    @Gamblegork Месяц назад

    screw the gerudo, I do what I wanna do

  • @whitelight9458
    @whitelight9458 28 дней назад

    Why do you think the gate was up? To trap Ganondorf. only lowered to let Zelda and Impa free. Ganondorf's men or Ganondorf must have killed the guards who were supposed to raise it. The outer guards probably didn't know Ganondorf was evil they would have gotten the information last.

  • @Mikael.8
    @Mikael.8 Месяц назад

    I don't think the gerudo not partaking in the plan was their decisions, they except nabooru seen loyal enough to ganondorf, ganon just seen to quite forget he is their king sometimes. Also probably would be too alarmant and bad for his plan moving gerudo troops all the way from the valley to the castle while ganondorf seemed to prefer a quick assault to the castle he already had access to, probably his men mentioned are some kind of monsters

  • @samsonhaze6595
    @samsonhaze6595 Месяц назад

    Your focus on older Zelda lore (when it was still mostly uniform/consistent) makes me question the “king’s” right to rule Hyrule, regardless if he is a blood descendant of the goddess Hylia or not.
    In every game, he’s either killed, or de-throned, and at most lies waiting in the wings for a *true* hero to emerge and do the job he should have been overseeing himself.
    Princess Zelda/Impa may be special exceptions, as they are both relatively competent, but otherwise the hyrule royal family is just unfit to “govern”,
    the game(s) should end with Link being crowned king lmao 😂
    I also happen to believe that if Zelda is the goddess Hylia reincarnated, link *must* at least be imbued with the spirit of the triforce of “courage”, even before receiving its mark/true powers - specifically as each of the 3 pieces reflect the 3 primordial essences that shaped Hyrule - Din, Fayore, & Nayru.
    Of the three, Din (red/fire) seems to correspond most with power, whereas Nayru (blue/love) most with wisdom,
    leaving Fayore’s essence *of green* (representing life, rebirth, wind) to correspond with the courage & tenacity of life & living things, and links ability apparent ability to have his spirit/essence distilled/passed on to either direct or indirect descendants in his timeline(s) (again before Nintendo just gave up and threw all the lore out the window 😅)
    THATS what makes link special/likely a far more competent leader/guard against corruption and outside influences… yet the second he trumps he seemingly lays down his relics of power/skillsets that he learned over his journey and returns to pacifism/gets forgotten, if not for this Gannondorf would not keep returning again and again, nor would the shadow realm or any other threat…🤷‍♂️

  • @hobbybox678
    @hobbybox678 Месяц назад +16

    Aaaand it could have been alot less worse is Zelda hadn't initiated that stupid plan of hers

    • @javiervasquez625
      @javiervasquez625 Месяц назад +13

      1) She's 10 years old and did not know the Golden Goddesses were trolls who seal away kids for 7 years.
      2) Her father was an incompetent fool who could not tell the giant, evil-looking demon man in black armor was up to no good.
      3) She was having continuous nightmares about said evil-looking demon man, not to do _something_ to stop him.
      4) That "stupid plan" had already been preordained by the goddesses as per the *prophecy* carved onto the altar for the Spiritual Stones inside the Temple of Time.
      Blame the incompetent king and the goddesses, not the 10 years old little girl who was trying to do whatever she could to save the world.

    • @hobbybox678
      @hobbybox678 Месяц назад +3

      @@javiervasquez625 real, I'm just surprised Impa went along with it tbh

    • @javiervasquez625
      @javiervasquez625 Месяц назад +7

      @@hobbybox678 She's her nursemaid who raised her since she was a baby, she would definetly believe her nightmares after all the bond they shared together since her birth.

    • @hobbybox678
      @hobbybox678 Месяц назад +1

      @@javiervasquez625 you have a fair point

    • @Bleachbabe14498
      @Bleachbabe14498 Месяц назад

      ​@@javiervasquez625Well not only was Impa that close to her, it's not uncommon for many Zelda's to be dreamers like that and it really proves how much of an idiot her dad is to NOT LISTEN TO YET ANOTHER DREAMER IN THE FAMILY

  • @JoyStoffels
    @JoyStoffels 29 дней назад

    Men!? Gerudo men?!

  • @ShadowsofaStolenSun
    @ShadowsofaStolenSun Месяц назад

    Where did that clip of Link from the very end of the vudeo come from?

  • @joshisanL
    @joshisanL 28 дней назад

    what on gods green earth is a coup de ta

  • @EdouardPicard0224
    @EdouardPicard0224 18 дней назад

    Men could be referencing Iron Knuckles, how can you tell they're female under the armor?

  • @andrasim5265
    @andrasim5265 Месяц назад

    Why do you pronounce Ganondorf as Gandorf?

  • @Psychic-fang79
    @Psychic-fang79 Месяц назад

    Ohhhh sigma

  • @starcrysis23
    @starcrysis23 29 дней назад

    Was pretty sure in Japanese, it’s gender neutral, the localization making it “his men”

  • @plague8638
    @plague8638 Месяц назад

    Why does he sleep for 7 years again?

    • @starcrysis23
      @starcrysis23 29 дней назад +1

      He can’t wield the master sword until he is an adult

  • @Mr.pumpkin443
    @Mr.pumpkin443 Месяц назад

    Ok

  • @mierardi88
    @mierardi88 Месяц назад

    Ganondorf used Moblins as his mercenaries, not Gerudo

  • @KooldownClips
    @KooldownClips Месяц назад +1

    Plz pin me and I’ll stop eating batteries

  • @Daylightchildrens
    @Daylightchildrens 29 дней назад

    Pin pls

  • @Jlc-ljc
    @Jlc-ljc 28 дней назад

    Trump af

  • @jonsmith5058
    @jonsmith5058 Месяц назад

    Ugh, its not that deep man.
    Saying Ganondorfs men is most likely at best a mistranslation or oversight and it means his people.
    Its dumb to suggest the team thought up all this deep lore and then think they said ‘hmm how do we convey this to the player, I know by referring ambiguously to men by a character you can very easily miss’.
    Come on, stop over reaching.