This woman was something else. She believed in child abuse, committed adultery, believed in divorce when it fit her narrative (but God forbid you divorced), weight shamed others, wrecked families and drove so many to depression. This story is so interesting to hear, but at the same time it hurts me for Michael because he has all of those bad memories. I appreciate him sharing his story.
@@kingdomfirechannel9981 Glad for your family deliverance, healing and restoration. I almost wanted to attend because of the weight down program but glad I didn’t get entangled in the web of evil. God’s intervention came quick and awakened those who were deceive. Phil is first class in his investigation reporting. It’s healing to many of victims and survivors such as yourself. 🙏🏾🙌🏽
Yes, depression born from having wronged and been wronged. The interviewer is over joyed he is finally vindicated over the truth he discovered 20 years ago. NOBODY is innocent here, ESPECIALLY not Gwen.
Not to mention the weight gain. The poor guy. I really feel for him! The struggle is real... This series is fantastic though. Much better than any other interviews on the subject... He truly is doing the Lord's Work now by sharing his burden with us...
@@stickynorth Agreed! hos voice is very powerful! The more he talks about it the better it will be for his healing process so he can evaluate and analyze what happened!
That poor kid. You can look at Gwen and Joe and see alcoholism and drug abuse. It’s all over their personalities. “Church” people need to get some discernment.
That was the point. Christians need to be more critical of their leadership especially in the Pentecostal/free thinking movements where leaders make it up as they go along... Not my cup of tea CLEARLY but God Bless...@@AL-gp9my
Church folks need to repent of their SINS to JESUS and get SAVED by GRACE thru FAITH ... everybody claiming to be a Christian, ain't going to Heaven..."On Judgment Day, The KING will say, "get out of my sight, I NEVER KNEW you..."
Wow, that makes me wonder if the plane crash was a crash or was it a murder/suicide? The meandering flight track that it was on and then the sudden dive for the ground with witnesses saying it was near vertical at impact. Maybe it wasn’t spacial disorientation after all. Joe sounds like he was a conflicted person and maybe he felt trapped in a way that Michael felt trapped with no way out.
Watch Dan Gryder’s video on the jet crash-he believes it was murder-suicide. Dan is a former airline pilot and has just started a 501(c)(3) org to advance general aviation air safety.
Pull Up.. Pull Up.... Terrain.. Terrain.. they say there was never an attempt to get out of the dive. Just out of the clouds, and straight down. Hard to get spatially disoriented in broad daylight, perfect visibility with a view of the ground below.
There is ALWAYS mega-shenanigans at those "mega--churches". The maniacs "at the top" are ALWAYS psychopaths. Gwen Shamblin and her sidekick were no different.
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
I cannot believe Micheal Shamblin is talking and saying his mother’s religious group and church is a cult! this is great news. Go Micheal. I wonder what his sister is saying. I wonder if she agrees with him. I bet she doesn’t.
I know I've been really curious on the happenings since the crash and what happened with his sister. I haven't been able to find much information on it, maybe he will talk about it in upcoming interviews.
@@caroline-sI think she may be a true believer and they are even more dangerous than Gwen is because she will do anything to show her mother was a good person and not a suit leader and she will be a more radical brainwashed cult leader. She’s already said she wants global success in spreading the mother’s teachings and this church’s teachings.
THe Laras' engagement and wedding videos are HILARIOUS. Joe wanted out and couldn't without losing everything. So he flew the plane into the lake. That's where Michael is going here.
@@azinfandellvr I honestly don't know about changing seats. In my post I said Lara was at the controls according to the report but I had meant to write it was Gwen.
Not much good comes from infidelity, lots of unnecessary pain for lots of people. 😢 when he tells the sniper story… holy cow!! THAT would have really scared me!! Maybe I would have been the one trying to travel somewhere outta his reach!! I really appreciate his candor and his honesty.
Wow. Michael has revealed what was suspected all along. It is obvious that he is carrying a lot of pain, and who wouldn’t carry a great deal of pain from those experiences. I hope now that he has told the story, he can move on and even forgive. In forgiving, he would not be saying that they didn’t do anything wrong. He would be acknowledging that he isn’t their judge, and he would be free himself from the pain of the past. Have a great rest of your life Michael. Phil, you did a very good job and you were very sensitive to Michaels pain. I appreciate that.
The people that were part of this are to blame. They went along with her instead of seeking true biblical truth. She was a narcissistic liar. Shame on her for leading people astray but mostly hurting her son .
@@natashapavlovichofficialWow I remember you from the HBO doc and wanted to say you're one badass lady! Gonna have to check out your book when it's out. This church/cult has always fascinated me.
Joe Lara has crazy eyes, and so I believe Micheal Shamblin. In the documentary I saw him threaten his ex wife with his crazy eyes. That’s why he wasn’t good looking to me. Even when he was young.
Me and my sister saw her and an entourage of women at JAlexanders Cool Springs and NO LIE, she looked like a high class hooker!! This was back in..maybe 2014. They were a scary lot!!
I'm so proud of Michael. It's so sad to see what she became bcz she was very good in the beginning. Her "Rise Above" book, and earlier, she was good. Power and money change a lot of people 😕💔
He inherited millions and left his family. Many others who have done right in life are far worse off. He needs to repent, find the true Church (Catholic) and offer recompense for those hurt by helping the poor with some of that money he inherited.
he was a mess also talking about Joe, that poor woman he had a child with went through alot with him. glad Michael is speaking out, i like his music and know he's had some problems
It was extremely difficult because the cult hired a Remnant leader attorney who intentionally made my life difficult. I warned them all that Joe was unqualified to fly. I knew they were having an affair prior to the engagement. I knew they used drugs. Nobody did anything because Gwen's reputation was number one. I have so much to share in my upcoming book.
As described, the statement about the sniper bullet sounds like a legally actionable drath threat. Pity it wasn't recorded, would be nice if it'd been that easy to debunk as a claim or bring the threat issuer to trial and convict.
Yes, I agree a movie told from HIS perspective would be wonderful. I think it would give him a lot of relief and help set a lot of people free with the truth about what really happened behind closed doors. May Jesus bless Michael. He is Precious to the Lord and I'm so sorry for the narcissistic abuse unleashed upon him. Great that he had such a good father. 🙏😺 May the Lord bring healing and wonderful blessings into his life. Only the Lord knows how many millions of people Michael will be able to reach and help with his story of leaving this cult. Jesus brings freedom, not bondage. 💕
I can understand if he wants to refer to his mom by her full name if their relationship was so damaged but does he also have a problem with his dad? I noticed he refers to his dad by his full name too. All of this is very odd.
When I watched the HBO series and then Phil's excellent interviews I can't help but think of Kenneth Copeland and the cult he has amassed. He's is in his '80's and he's not taking those millions and the Jet aircraft with him to Hell.
God will not let this man get away with all this slander. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. I'd be on my face begging God 's mercy if I were you, Michael.
you must be part of Remnant Fellowship; Michael can speak out about this if he wants; are you saying Michael is not telling the truth that Joe Lara didn't say that to him ( that he would take Michael out with a sniper)? . God does not endorse teachings that teach against the Trinity, of which Remnant Fellowship did. The Trinity is biblically and doctrinally correct.
I’m sorry Michael, for all the pain and distress. Weighdown got a little weird when it became a church. I think your music is awesome and you are a very talented lyricist, vocalist, and all-around musician. I got the same feeling about Joe like he was acting and trapped. But it is a mixed bag just like everything else in life, Weighdown has done a lot of people good, it helped me heal my relationship with food.
You can tell the power she had in her cult, no real family or friends to say no, no stop that isn't a good thing or idea. Hence the hair, I wish the son would try and stay away from the look as well, I understand his mother has left him with so much mental health work things like hair doesn't matter but wonder if it does matter.
This woman was something else. She believed in child abuse, committed adultery, believed in divorce when it fit her narrative (but God forbid you divorced), weight shamed others, wrecked families and drove so many to depression. This story is so interesting to hear, but at the same time it hurts me for Michael because he has all of those bad memories. I appreciate him sharing his story.
Most religions believe in child abuse, if you actually read their texts.
He inherited the high-hair gene
Friggin haneous she encouraged them to beat and lock up their son and then protect them while in prison.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE FOLLOW PEOPLE LIKE HER/CULTS...I'M NOT THE KIND TO WORSHIP ANOTHER PERSON...I JUST DON'T GET IT
Exactly. How could you not know that's a cult??????😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
That wedding was creepy
I thought it was beautiful, but apparently it was fake...I guess there was plenty of apparent play acting.
They were flaunting their sin (adultery).
@@IndianOutlaw1870 1 was Married? Or Fornication?
And, the affair wasn't????😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
When I saw that wedding I felt evil hit my body
Thank you for airing this interview with Gwen's son. It sheds so much light on Gwen's life and downfall.
Narcissistic Abuse Awareness is more important now than ever before. Praying for total healing and restoration to all the victims.
My parents and I were stuck in it back in 2004 for 10 months
@@kingdomfirechannel9981 Glad for your family deliverance, healing and restoration. I almost wanted to attend because of the weight down program but glad I didn’t get entangled in the web of evil. God’s intervention came quick and awakened those who were deceive. Phil is first class in his investigation reporting. It’s healing to many of victims and survivors such as yourself. 🙏🏾🙌🏽
You can see in Michael’s eyes the depression
Yes, depression born from having wronged and been wronged. The interviewer is over joyed he is finally vindicated over the truth he discovered 20 years ago.
NOBODY is innocent here, ESPECIALLY not Gwen.
Not to mention the weight gain. The poor guy. I really feel for him! The struggle is real... This series is fantastic though. Much better than any other interviews on the subject... He truly is doing the Lord's Work now by sharing his burden with us...
@@stickynorth Agreed! hos voice is very powerful! The more he talks about it the better it will be for his healing process so he can evaluate and analyze what happened!
I do genuinely feel such empathy for this man. I hope he heals from this. Bless him for coming forward.
@@shirmeymckamey9386 ditto.
So much worse than anyone could imagine.
Much respect for him speaking out. People need to understand how dangerous cults can be.
Drunk with money always ends in destruction 😢
And antithetical to Jesus' teachings...
"The LOVE for Money is the ROOT of ALL Evil." Money becomes their god because they love it MORE THAN you love GOD, Who made money...
Should have been obvious she’d gone over the edge when she started piling on those monstrous wigs.
And makeup
Enough with the wigs already.
I was looking for this comment. Lol!
She looks straight out evil!
I think it was her own hair just highly teased and sprayed.
That poor kid. You can look at Gwen and Joe and see alcoholism and drug abuse. It’s all over their personalities. “Church” people need to get some discernment.
What kind of "church" people do you mean? There are plenty of righteous church people. Hypergeneralizations such as this amount to logical fallacy.
@@AL-gp9myall of the millions of gullible church people who sit under mega church pastors with heretic preaching.
That was the point. Christians need to be more critical of their leadership especially in the Pentecostal/free thinking movements where leaders make it up as they go along... Not my cup of tea CLEARLY but God Bless...@@AL-gp9my
They choose to remain blind 😂😂
Church folks need to repent of their SINS to JESUS and get SAVED by GRACE thru FAITH ... everybody claiming to be a Christian, ain't going to Heaven..."On Judgment Day, The KING will say, "get out of my sight, I NEVER KNEW you..."
So sad that thousands gave her money and believed, sickening!!
What’s wrong with people?
Simple...people want to believe the image.
Humans overvalue belief and undervalue knowledge.
"The Love of money is the root of all evil." Jesus: 'you can't serve 2 masters. You will Love one and hate the other,"
Wow, that makes me wonder if the plane crash was a crash or was it a murder/suicide? The meandering flight track that it was on and then the sudden dive for the ground with witnesses saying it was near vertical at impact. Maybe it wasn’t spacial disorientation after all. Joe sounds like he was a conflicted person and maybe he felt trapped in a way that Michael felt trapped with no way out.
he wasnt qualified to fly that type of aircraft.
Watch Dan Gryder’s video on the jet crash-he believes it was murder-suicide. Dan is a former airline pilot and has just started a 501(c)(3) org to advance general aviation air safety.
@@PetesGuidehey, thanks..I'll check it out..
Pull Up.. Pull Up.... Terrain.. Terrain.. they say there was never an attempt to get out of the dive. Just out of the clouds, and straight down. Hard to get spatially disoriented in broad daylight, perfect visibility with a view of the ground below.
Yes that's what he eluded too as well in this interview.
There is ALWAYS mega-shenanigans at those "mega--churches". The maniacs "at the top" are ALWAYS psychopaths. Gwen Shamblin and her sidekick were no different.
When two opportunists met.
Sorry Michael, may God restore your hope in Him and give you peace ✝️
Hes probably had enough of believing in fairy tails! We can still have love for others and just leave the gods out its 2024!!
Gwen Shamblin combined dangerous insanity with narcissistic delusions to produce an epic level of cringe.
She was a very sick person. Evil.
So very sorry Michael ❤
And just when you thought this story couldn't get any crazier.
Yuck... It's so sick and ungodly.
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
I cannot believe Micheal Shamblin is talking and saying his mother’s religious group and church is a cult! this is great news. Go Micheal. I wonder what his sister is saying. I wonder if she agrees with him. I bet she doesn’t.
I know I've been really curious on the happenings since the crash and what happened with his sister. I haven't been able to find much information on it, maybe he will talk about it in upcoming interviews.
The daughter has taken over the position of her mother and she looks anorexic, also like her Mother.
@turdpickler3564 She's the current leader of the church. She's running thecwhole thing now.
@@turdpickler3564they are doing more interviews on this channel.
@@caroline-sI think she may be a true believer and they are even more dangerous than Gwen is because she will do anything to show her mother was a good person and not a suit leader and she will be a more radical brainwashed cult leader. She’s already said she wants global success in spreading the mother’s teachings and this church’s teachings.
Looks like she was trying to be another Tammy Fay Bakker!
Don’t insult Tammy Faye. More like Jan Crouch.
@@RoyalMasterpiece ok, how about both!
Tammy Faye was much better than Gwen.
At least Tammy Faye turned her life around and became a LGBTQ icon.
Tammy didn’t have an evil bone in her body.
It blows my mind how people fall for this.
Why not? They fell for the Covid BS.
I'm so invested in this story. So good. Sad but really good.
The Lifetime movie was really good.
THe Laras' engagement and wedding videos are HILARIOUS. Joe wanted out and couldn't without losing everything. So he flew the plane into the lake. That's where Michael is going here.
The report clearly says that it was Lara at the controls when the plane crashed
@@shirmeymckamey9386 I don't know anything about piloting an aircraft..just what I see on tv..do you have to "change seats" to take the controls?
@@azinfandellvr I honestly don't know about changing seats. In my post I said Lara was at the controls according to the report but I had meant to write it was Gwen.
@@shirmeymckamey9386 Right. Joe Lara.
@@shirmeymckamey9386 yes so it was a suicide. She didn't know enough to fly and he clearly didn't correct her.
Not much good comes from infidelity, lots of unnecessary pain for lots of people. 😢 when he tells the sniper story… holy cow!! THAT would have really scared me!! Maybe I would have been the one trying to travel somewhere outta his reach!! I really appreciate his candor and his honesty.
Wow. Michael has revealed what was suspected all along. It is obvious that he is carrying a lot of pain, and who wouldn’t carry a great deal of pain from those experiences. I hope now that he has told the story, he can move on and even forgive. In forgiving, he would not be saying that they didn’t do anything wrong. He would be acknowledging that he isn’t their judge, and he would be free himself from the pain of the past. Have a great rest of your life Michael. Phil, you did a very good job and you were very sensitive to Michaels pain. I appreciate that.
I knew the day of the crash way more to be seen here 😮
It's literally painful to look at her.
She is very creepy!
The people that were part of this are to blame. They went along with her instead of seeking true biblical truth. She was a narcissistic liar. Shame on her for leading people astray but mostly hurting her son .
That wedding was disgusting!
I hope they don't call themselves Christian!
They always do sadly enough... Totally not of course because it doesn't pass the simple test... WWJD?
That wedding was beyond creepy and the vibes coming from the bride herself? Chilling…😬
Imagine a cult threatening people😂
Yes. I lived it. They had me at the top of the list. I was a threat to Gwens reputation. I have so much to tell in my upcoming book.
@@natashapavlovichofficial can’t wait to hear it!
@@natashapavlovichofficial one thing these cult leaders do is promise things they can never deliver. In this case it was supernatural weight loss.
@@natashapavlovichofficialWow I remember you from the HBO doc and wanted to say you're one badass lady! Gonna have to check out your book when it's out. This church/cult has always fascinated me.
4chan took down scientology. 😂😂😂
Wait..what???? Threat!!!
I've absolutely adored Michael for years. There was always a special spark about him, and I had a feeling he would leave that "church".
What's the deal with these evangelist/cult women and their big hair?🤨
@FundieFridays some more footage from the interview with Michael Shamblin.
God has spoken on the Gwen matter...
How could you not know that's a cult??????😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
This is a cult.
Joe Lara has crazy eyes, and so I believe Micheal Shamblin. In the documentary I saw him threaten his ex wife with his crazy eyes. That’s why he wasn’t good looking to me. Even when he was young.
So outright disgusting,,,what she did and that so called church😩😩😩😩😩😩😩
Who is doing hair in Brentwood Tennessee ?GOOD GOD 🤣🤡🤣🤡🤣
Tell me about it! 0/2
Apparently SHE did, I'm not far from Brentwood and she was a joke!
Me and my sister saw her and an entourage of women at JAlexanders Cool Springs and NO LIE, she looked like a high class hooker!! This was back in..maybe 2014. They were a scary lot!!
I live in Brentwood, and it’s an upper class area. Only Gwen had the outlandish hair.
Wigs
He seems like a good man prayers for him!
Her son, Michael, looks pretty depressed.
I'm so proud of Michael. It's so sad to see what she became bcz she was very good in the beginning. Her "Rise Above" book, and earlier, she was good. Power and money change a lot of people 😕💔
Thanks for sharing. I hope it will you peace ❤
Does anyone know how his Sister is doing?
She run the cult now, shes like her mother
So creepy!
Seems like church people need to get into reading the Bible... Ephesians 5:18: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery.
This story went to the moon 😮
Poor guy!
He inherited millions and left his family. Many others who have done right in life are far worse off. He needs to repent, find the true Church (Catholic) and offer recompense for those hurt by helping the poor with some of that money he inherited.
@@AL-gp9my THE ORIGINAL EARLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH WAS NOT A ROMAN CATHOLIC SYSTEM OF SALVATION
CAnswersTV
@@AL-gp9myThe true church is the Catholic Church? 😂
Isn’t that the church where the Priest’s were abusing boys?
@@Brucev7 yes it was.
✅ good video
he was a mess also talking about Joe, that poor woman he had a child with went through alot with him. glad Michael is speaking out, i like his music and know he's had some problems
It was extremely difficult because the cult hired a Remnant leader attorney who intentionally made my life difficult. I warned them all that Joe was unqualified to fly. I knew they were having an affair prior to the engagement. I knew they used drugs. Nobody did anything because Gwen's reputation was number one. I have so much to share in my upcoming book.
As described, the statement about the sniper bullet sounds like a legally actionable drath threat. Pity it wasn't recorded, would be nice if it'd been that easy to debunk as a claim or bring the threat issuer to trial and convict.
Will there be more stories from Michael? A movie maybe? I’m so intrigued and can’t wait to hear more from Michael.
Yes, I agree a movie told from HIS perspective would be wonderful. I think it would give him a lot of relief and help set a lot of people free with the truth about what really happened behind closed doors. May Jesus bless Michael. He is Precious to the Lord and I'm so sorry for the narcissistic abuse unleashed upon him. Great that he had such a good father. 🙏😺 May the Lord bring healing and wonderful blessings into his life. Only the Lord knows how many millions of people Michael will be able to reach and help with his story of leaving this cult. Jesus brings freedom, not bondage. 💕
@@sweetsunnydaygirl that would be great if they could do a movie with Michael as the star.
He wanted Gwen’s money!
I can understand if he wants to refer to his mom by her full name if their relationship was so damaged but does he also have a problem with his dad? I noticed he refers to his dad by his full name too. All of this is very odd.
Anytime that I see that wedding scene, it makes me queasy. It’s so stupid and ridiculous. 🥴 they were both really gross.
Did this Mike not inherit all her money ??
As a christian,that wedding,is creepy
What happened to the rest of this series? After this one there has not been anything more.
When I watched the HBO series and then Phil's excellent interviews I can't help but think of Kenneth Copeland and the cult he has amassed. He's is in his '80's and he's not taking those millions and the Jet aircraft with him to Hell.
TO THE CONGEGATION HOW WERE YOU SO EASILY FOOLED? ANSWER FROM LACK OF KNOWLEDGE
Where is the next video ??
Astounding.
And who are these people? And did the members of their cult wake up?
The Creedmore bullet was the hot round for a longer range flat trajectory. But it's falling out of favor to other rounds.
This woman is what you call a manifestation of the Jezebel spirit.
Please define "sniper bullet" Enquiring minds want to know.
He's is son of the diet guru??
Yes, he is.
You can tell by the hair
Yeah, the apple didn't far from that tree hair wise it would seem..@@AliciaGuitar
God, Guns, and Dune buggies! 😂😂😂
There is nothing funny about this.
YES! YES THERE IS YOU STALKER! Why are you commenting on every thread troll?@@AL-gp9my
It's funny for everyone NOT caught in a death cult like Trump or Gwen's Shambles..@@AL-gp9my
Sounds like Merrica!
God will not let this man get away with all this slander. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. I'd be on my face begging God 's mercy if I were you, Michael.
you must be part of Remnant Fellowship; Michael can speak out about this if he wants; are you saying Michael is not telling the truth that Joe Lara didn't say that to him ( that he would take Michael out with a sniper)? . God does not endorse teachings that teach against the Trinity, of which Remnant Fellowship did. The Trinity is biblically and doctrinally correct.
I’m sorry Michael, for all the pain and distress. Weighdown got a little weird when it became a church. I think your music is awesome and you are a very talented lyricist, vocalist, and all-around musician.
I got the same feeling about Joe like he was acting and trapped. But it is a mixed bag just like everything else in life, Weighdown has done a lot of people good, it helped me heal my relationship with food.
She was no more that a cult leader
I wonder why his sister isn't backing him up?
She may be just like Gwen. Maybe she sees the church as a cash cow and doesn't want to lose it.
@@tangerinefizz11 probably..and it's much easier for her to discard her brother's words after she has watched him repeatedly cheat on his wife.
@@tangerinefizz11 but at the end of the day, she is emaciated and hurting too.
@@AL-gp9myWhy do you constantly bring up his adultery?
What about what the priest’s of the Catholic Church have done?
You don’t seem to bring that up?
@@beckigreen this isn't a discussion about the small number of Catholic priests whom you're referring to. That's why I didn't bring it up.
Talk about a bunch of weirdos
False doctrines always leads to sexual sin. Somehow the two go hand, and hand!
Her hair is a total disaster!
What a shady character. Looks like she was definitely a hypocrite. But God have mercy on her.
Michael divorced his beautiful ex wife too. Where are his kids now?
why was Joe keep picking her up and swinging her around
Because that's the direction he got when Gwen yelled "action."
🤣😂
Ugh 😮😢 son could be in trouble 💔💔
So sad!😢
It is said,he drove the plane into the lake on purpose
💔💔💔
Would Jesus wear a Rolex on his television show?
Oh Poor Thingys.
You cannot play and flaunt sin with GOD!
Did Michael inherit her estate?
This looks a lot like the Beth Moore progression.
Can’t get over the hair.
Well, hopefully, people will get over the hair, because comments about it have been repeated ad nauseam.
@@AL-gp9myYou’re not the comment police so get over it.
Michael is a very good singer and musician
That church still in business? A couple years ago the remaining 'church elders' were trying to sell exclusive memberships.
Why people would join is beyond me.
Pray protection over this man?
You can tell the power she had in her cult, no real family or friends to say no, no stop that isn't a good thing or idea. Hence the hair, I wish the son would try and stay away from the look as well, I understand his mother has left him with so much mental health work things like hair doesn't matter but wonder if it does matter.
Are the Karen haircuts a mandatory part of the cult?😂
Call me crazy, but a part of me thinks Joe Lara purposely exited their lives