Seriously though. Serena betrayed her entire gender just to write a goddamn book and condemned women everywhere to a life of torture, rape and suffering. She’s the real traitor. Moira is right.
Serena is the dumbest bitch of the dumb bitches for thinking she couldn’t fall victim to what they were putting women through. Bitch thought she was special 😂
@CBA CBA that’s ridiculous. How else are you going to force women to have babies when you’re sterile? By raping them. She is fully complicit. And no, she had every hand in creating Gilead. Idk what series you’re watching
@CBA CBA lol none of that changes the fact that with so few women who are still able to conceive, the only way to do anything with that is rape. And they would have figured that out before they set out on starting the entire thing from the beginning. She may have wanted more freedom than women had in Gilead, but rape was literally a required act in their plans, and Serena knows this. She’s a cunt, and a little dumb, but she’s not THAT dumb to act like there was any other way to make the birth rate rise. The survival of Gilead relied on it, and she knows that. Knowing that and still continuing to be a part of creating Gilead…it was her idea too.
I love this scene. Moira is so correct. Serena is the gender traitor. And Serena is NOT Nicole’s mother in any way. She did not give birth to the baby, June did. And she’s not raising the baby, Moira and Luke are. What’s her role exactly other than rapist?
Liora Sitelman she’s totally delusional and i know if someone did the *same* things to her she would be disgusted and horrified yet does it to someone else
@@liorasitelman1856 honestly I think that the cool thing about luke tho. I mean just imagine raising your wife's child that is not yours, especially one that was conceived through rape??
Some people want children but don't deserve children and that's Serena. Even if Gilead didn't happen, she would've been one of those mothers that look at their child as a play thing. And that would be harder when they grow up because alot of parents believe their children are to be like "mini me's" or possessions when we forget that kids are human. That's why people or conservatives are so shocked when these traditional Christian families have some messed up kids. Like I know people who turned to drug abuse and have seeked therapy because of their evangelical upbringing.
I love how Moira from the start is IMMEDIATELY going "Don't get this twisted. Not your kid, not your friend." And then still has time to play with Nicole.
I also love what happens next when she holds the baby and it cries bc it doesn't recognise her, and she says "you mum is here" and the lady says she cannot use words like that bc it will confuse the baby. Serves the bitch right
I'm so satisfied that Serena was finally arrested for her disgusting crimes at the end of season 3. She doesn't deserve a happily-ever-after. She DESERVES to rot in prison with others who DESPISE her and to NEVER see June's baby again.
Absolutely! Turning in Fred doesn’t redeem her one bit. She was the one who suggested he rape June to “induce labor” and held her down while she was screaming the whole time it was happening. Serena’s not a victim she’s an accomplice she deserves to be punished jus like Fred.
@@scartee13 not just an accomplish, she is way worst. She was a main key in the CREATION of Gilead and this fucked up totalitarian system. Worst: She let herself being used as a puppet, trying to give them legitimacy as a woman to all this fucked up shit. She deserves to suffer
Season 4 sets it up that Serena will either be killed or become a handmaid at the conclusion of the series. Remember when Mrs. Putnam visited her and offered to take in the baby? This was a subtle reminder that Gilead was not willing to give the Waterford's a second chance, that their child belonged to the state since they were traitors to the regime...and we see and hear this message loud and clear when Nick and the higher ups of Gilead allow June and former handmaids to execute Fred. I love how season 4 brought the life the details of the epilogue, how Fred was killed in a purge--though in the epilogue of the book, it is mentioned that Gilead cleaned house on all commanders who were committing crimes behind the regimes back. However. Fred was sentenced to death by Gilead so I guess the set up was the same. We don't know what happened to Serena but if season 4's ending set it up, then we can assume that she is going to be another reminder for Gilead to those wanting to defect.
I think a 3 second glimpse at a large distance, through an ivy covered fence with years between is more torturous. Under those conditions, pretty much all that'd be evident is how well Nicole is doing without Serena.
It shows that serena doesnt care about nicole at all. After she found out that she is pregnant to her own child, she's never even mention about nicole. If she really cares about her as a mother, she would still want to see her, hold her, be close to her. She was ready to do anything to take her back because of her love for that child. But suddenly, suprisingly (!) She gives up now.
@@jamiehershon yeah! i like to think that they purposely made it the opposite of impactful when serena said "your daughter" to june when she gave birth to noah
For people attacking Mark: he has to be on Serena's good side. This can be important in gathering information. as much as I want Serena to be punished, doing so may cause lead other wives to reconsider defecting in fear of the same. Serena, who is irredeemable in my eyes, is a potential asset against gilled and Fred now. I wonder if mark can blame her arrest on Fred somehow. I doubt mark actually likes her.
Nah I think Mark had a preconceived notion of who Serena was before he even met her. He was excited when they met, "I didn't think we'd ever get the chance". I think there was an aspect of charming her, he had to try and convince her to trust him somehow, but I think he really did (or believed he did) have feelings for her. She's a beautiful, intelligent woman - he probably convinced himself she was just misguided to start (I mean it's clear she gets her beliefs from her mother), led by an abusive husband (he clearly believes Fred is to blame to start with, "he's not your concern anymore"), and that she then just did what she needed to do to survive. There was utter disgust on his face when he went to arrest her, but he also seemed humiliated. More than a little angry, especially after she said "Nick and OFFRED had a relationship" and he told them to take her upstairs. Serena has done many disgusting things but when she said "OFFRED" instead of June, that's when I realised she never changed. And Mark probably felt the same.
@@gabbyperreault1135 yess i noticed that look on his face, it was a huge turning point for how he saw serena. any feelings or even just respect he might’ve had for her it’s gone
Yea I think he’s just playing good cop to get as much info out of Serena he can. If he actually liked her he would have removed Moira from the room immediately but he allowed her to say her piece. It’s a fine line that guy has to walk.
Fuck u mark is a simp for her and we all know it I am just glad he’s got bosses whom can see past Serena’s gaslighting lowkey tho Serena actress is amazing at playing Serena cuz in her GQ interview she was so cute.
I love how when Moira called to the baby saying Nicole… the baby looked and said huh…lol, then Moira said I’ll be back soon, and it looked like the baby was thinking ok hurry back lol
I love the scenes where the Gileads are traveling away from Gilead and people are FREE to respond to their identity and they cant do anything about it.
Serena pretty much spearheaded the entire regime before her husband and the other husbands took over. She is the very definition of "you break it, you buy it"
Every time you think Serena has changed or will become a better person she proves that deep down she is only out for herself I love the actress who plays her and she plays her so well but Serena does deserve to suffer for her sins
Serena's lack of self-worth always disgusted me. fantasizing about such a sick order and building it. and that scene is a relief. Moira expressed my feelings well.
Serena is the real monster. She helped make Fred the way he is and helped create Gilead. She’s no innocent here. The baby is not her baby. It’s June’s baby. A baby that is being raised with real love by June’s husband and best friend. They’re her real parents. Not Serena.
Fr, she's the real monster here. People keep infantalizing her and acting like she's a victim after she had her baby, but that doesn't change the fact that woman or not, she helped create a dictatorship that gas murdered, mutilated and tortured people
That's not at all what politically correct means! It doesn't mean defending evil ppl who r guilty of heinous acts. What's his name is being diplomatic, at best, trying not to alienate Serena so she can b a cooperative witness or being sycophantic, at worst, defending sum1 who doesn't deserve it 4 sum reason I can't fathom. But using language that is representative of all ppl instead of just one group (like saying chairperson instead of chairman, becoz women can hold that position too) is nowhere near the neighborhood of defending a rapist, against a rape survivor no less!
Now this is more like it! Serenae can never be forgiven for her part in all this. Her character before the world changed was of a woman who spoke up for women… she’s extra guilty.
June calls her Nicole. As she gave her to Emily, she said 'Her name's Nicole'. That's like a gift she made to Serena; she let her escape and held back her husband, and as a thank you, June decided to at least let her name the baby, because she knew how much she meant to Serena. Her name now is Nicole.
This whole plotline never made any sense. Holly was brought into Canada by Emily who had been maimed by Gilead. Serena and Fred are not genetically related to Holly, a test any hospital today can do and get results in hours. Fred is under arrest for raping the presumed actual mother so any adoption papers must be suspect. So why does Serena get to see her?
Because of politics (in my understanding). The deal was: She would give them one of the commanders for the exchange of being able to simply meet, have a few moments with Nichole. That’s a damn good deal.
I think it was her blaming all her actions in Gilead on being prosecuted. Despite her position there, she was still oppressed and if she didn't comply with Gileadean instructions, she would be punished (even if she helped set it up herself ajdjskdnskdn). I don't really get why they let her see the kid that isn't hers in any respect but probably just to get more information about Gilead in exchange for time with Holly
According to the show and book, the Fred Waterford is a powerful figure. Under Gilead Law, Nicole is the commanders daughter. According to the show, Gilead has a power army. This is not just politics this could bring war.
@@popbaby103 If Fred was that powerful then Canada wouldn't have arrested him in the first place. Also in the book it was not at all clear how powerful Gilead was. They didn't seem to control much outside New England and the Mid-Atlantic. There were references to them fighting the Baptists in the south and the Mormons in the west and the colonies were strongly implied to be in the industrial Midwest. With almost all of the US military in the regions not inside that Gilead they would be fairly weak militarily speaking. In the show their reach is longer but their military strength seems much diminished. They seem to be much like current day Russia. A failed state with nuclear weapons that must be handled delicately since the unstable leadership could potentially use the weapons they shouldn't have.
i always thought serena was much worse than fred tbh. i don't think fred thought he was r*ping June until the awful seen where they are trying to induce labor. it seemed like fred genuinely thought he and june had something and that he was just seducing her.
Moira should of technically done this at the pick up vs the drop off but I can understand the need for it initially. The baby could do a few of these at that age without damage anyways.
This series gives such an important perspective about the feminist movement , formed by white upper and middle class women , that push their agenda and ignore the other women from minority groups.
Christianity in particular has dozens upon dozens of denominations that all profess to have the ultimate truth. I KNOW Christians like Moira or any of the abuse victims in this show who swear up and down that Gilead isn't in accordance with what God wants for them but meanwhile, I'm sitting here like "How do you know tho?". Those dozens of denominations allow all Christians to move the goalposts, say "not my God tho. He's the God of love, peace, etc," and IMO, engage with their religion uncritically. So while I wouldn't ever say that an abuse victim like Moira is complicit in their abuse (I don't even think it's possible because it sounds way too close to victim blaming for me), I can't entirely hold it against her when she refers to sins or God because (most Americans have been indoctrinated into light Christianity/Theism at a young age but more importantly), in Moira's mind, Serena is the one sinning and acting against God but in Serena's eyes, Moira is the one going against God and in my atheist eyes, none of us have any clue whether or not there is a God to act against, much less how they feel about humans and our atrocious acts towards each other. Like, there are dozens of LGBTQIA+ Christians because God's Will/Nature/Law can be whatever we want it to be until He makes it unambiguously clear and to me, the silence speaks volumes but I'm just one person.
Seriously though. Serena betrayed her entire gender just to write a goddamn book and condemned women everywhere to a life of torture, rape and suffering. She’s the real traitor. Moira is right.
Serena is the dumbest bitch of the dumb bitches for thinking she couldn’t fall victim to what they were putting women through. Bitch thought she was special 😂
@CBA CBA that’s ridiculous. How else are you going to force women to have babies when you’re sterile? By raping them. She is fully complicit. And no, she had every hand in creating Gilead. Idk what series you’re watching
@CBA CBA lol none of that changes the fact that with so few women who are still able to conceive, the only way to do anything with that is rape. And they would have figured that out before they set out on starting the entire thing from the beginning. She may have wanted more freedom than women had in Gilead, but rape was literally a required act in their plans, and Serena knows this. She’s a cunt, and a little dumb, but she’s not THAT dumb to act like there was any other way to make the birth rate rise. The survival of Gilead relied on it, and she knows that. Knowing that and still continuing to be a part of creating Gilead…it was her idea too.
@CBA CBA why do you put rape in quotation marks? They’re literally held down while being forced to have sex!
@CBA CBA Got you. Thanks.
The way she said “Fuck you” without missing a beat was ICONIC
She was probably making up for all the times she wished she could've said it in gilead
IKR
Damn right!
id have said befor he even finshed speaking
Truello deserved that and more. That dumb simp for Serena
that "f- you" gives me life!
haha right
Same. Moira slapping the shit out of Serena would have given me even more life.
Yes I truly agree
Haha cause its totally true and she shut the other guy up effectively
Hell yeah!
I love this scene. Moira is so correct. Serena is the gender traitor. And Serena is NOT Nicole’s mother in any way. She did not give birth to the baby, June did. And she’s not raising the baby, Moira and Luke are. What’s her role exactly other than rapist?
Liora Sitelman she’s totally delusional and i know if someone did the *same* things to her she would be disgusted and horrified yet does it to someone else
Moon_Sun 19 Moira is really the mom here. Who is changing her diapers? Feeding her? Ensuring she’s taken care of every day? Moira and Luke!
@@liorasitelman1856 honestly I think that the cool thing about luke tho. I mean just imagine raising your wife's child that is not yours, especially one that was conceived through rape??
Some people want children but don't deserve children and that's Serena. Even if Gilead didn't happen, she would've been one of those mothers that look at their child as a play thing. And that would be harder when they grow up because alot of parents believe their children are to be like "mini me's" or possessions when we forget that kids are human.
That's why people or conservatives are so shocked when these traditional Christian families have some messed up kids.
Like I know people who turned to drug abuse and have seeked therapy because of their evangelical upbringing.
huff huffington she would definitely be a abusive mom who doesn’t let her kid do anything and talk to anyone
I love how Moira from the start is IMMEDIATELY going "Don't get this twisted. Not your kid, not your friend." And then still has time to play with Nicole.
The multitasking is incredible and I'm taking note.
Imagine being Nicole and having Moira as an aunt, and June as a mom. She’s lucky asf
Definitely!!
HOLLY
Omg yes!!!!!
@@LemonSte June told them to call her Nicole. She ultimately chose that name for her instead of Holly
@@BroodyRuby I think she did that to honor Serena in some weird way
One of the most satisfying scene in the whole show.
Sooooo true
@@n_n3535 And the scene when Luke punches Fred.. so damn satisfying!
I also love what happens next when she holds the baby and it cries bc it doesn't recognise her, and she says "you mum is here" and the lady says she cannot use words like that bc it will confuse the baby. Serves the bitch right
I love watching people verbally call out Gilead or someone fr gilead
Everything about Moira is magnificent in this scene. Truly one of her best. And she has plenty of good ones.
I like how Moira calls her June’s daughter, and the baby immediately starts nodding and babbling as if to say "hell yeah I am"!
I love how holly was looking at Moira like “don’t leave me with this fucking woman”
+Scarlett Tweed It looked like she was ready to crawl out of her stroller!
Her name's Nichole.
@@devoutburrito her birth name is holly
@@scartee13 The name June (her mother) gave her was Nicole. ruclips.net/video/Z7wL7h-Mk6g/видео.html&ab_channel=CreativeMoodCreativeMood
@@shadowboxing7029 No the name her mother gave her was Holly. Serena named her Nichole and June wanted to honor her. Her name is Holly.
" look, I'm who I'm I've sinned plenty but YOU... you are the gender traitor"
I'm so satisfied that Serena was finally arrested for her disgusting crimes at the end of season 3. She doesn't deserve a happily-ever-after. She DESERVES to rot in prison with others who DESPISE her and to NEVER see June's baby again.
Absolutely! Turning in Fred doesn’t redeem her one bit. She was the one who suggested he rape June to “induce labor” and held her down while she was screaming the whole time it was happening. Serena’s not a victim she’s an accomplice she deserves to be punished jus like Fred.
@@scartee13 not just an accomplish, she is way worst. She was a main key in the CREATION of Gilead and this fucked up totalitarian system. Worst: She let herself being used as a puppet, trying to give them legitimacy as a woman to all this fucked up shit. She deserves to suffer
@@scartee13 Couldn't agree more.
Season 4 sets it up that Serena will either be killed or become a handmaid at the conclusion of the series. Remember when Mrs. Putnam visited her and offered to take in the baby? This was a subtle reminder that Gilead was not willing to give the Waterford's a second chance, that their child belonged to the state since they were traitors to the regime...and we see and hear this message loud and clear when Nick and the higher ups of Gilead allow June and former handmaids to execute Fred.
I love how season 4 brought the life the details of the epilogue, how Fred was killed in a purge--though in the epilogue of the book, it is mentioned that Gilead cleaned house on all commanders who were committing crimes behind the regimes back. However. Fred was sentenced to death by Gilead so I guess the set up was the same. We don't know what happened to Serena but if season 4's ending set it up, then we can assume that she is going to be another reminder for Gilead to those wanting to defect.
I think a 3 second glimpse at a large distance, through an ivy covered fence with years between is more torturous. Under those conditions, pretty much all that'd be evident is how well Nicole is doing without Serena.
Moira is a BLESSING
I never understood why Serena even got to visitation rights with June’s daughter in the first place.
Giving Serena visitation rights was the only way she would agree to hand over her husband.
It shows that serena doesnt care about nicole at all. After she found out that she is pregnant to her own child, she's never even mention about nicole. If she really cares about her as a mother, she would still want to see her, hold her, be close to her. She was ready to do anything to take her back because of her love for that child. But suddenly, suprisingly (!) She gives up now.
She just wanted a doll but with life
yup. i noticed that too. once she realized that she was pregnant, no mention of nicole.
@@jamiehershon yeah! i like to think that they purposely made it the opposite of impactful when serena said "your daughter" to june when she gave birth to noah
For people attacking Mark: he has to be on Serena's good side. This can be important in gathering information. as much as I want Serena to be punished, doing so may cause lead other wives to reconsider defecting in fear of the same. Serena, who is irredeemable in my eyes, is a potential asset against gilled and Fred now. I wonder if mark can blame her arrest on Fred somehow. I doubt mark actually likes her.
Yeah I think that Mark probably felt pity for Serena until he heard what Fred revealed about her...you could see the disgust on his face.
Nah I think Mark had a preconceived notion of who Serena was before he even met her. He was excited when they met, "I didn't think we'd ever get the chance". I think there was an aspect of charming her, he had to try and convince her to trust him somehow, but I think he really did (or believed he did) have feelings for her. She's a beautiful, intelligent woman - he probably convinced himself she was just misguided to start (I mean it's clear she gets her beliefs from her mother), led by an abusive husband (he clearly believes Fred is to blame to start with, "he's not your concern anymore"), and that she then just did what she needed to do to survive. There was utter disgust on his face when he went to arrest her, but he also seemed humiliated. More than a little angry, especially after she said "Nick and OFFRED had a relationship" and he told them to take her upstairs. Serena has done many disgusting things but when she said "OFFRED" instead of June, that's when I realised she never changed. And Mark probably felt the same.
@@gabbyperreault1135 yess i noticed that look on his face, it was a huge turning point for how he saw serena. any feelings or even just respect he might’ve had for her it’s gone
Yea I think he’s just playing good cop to get as much info out of Serena he can. If he actually liked her he would have removed Moira from the room immediately but he allowed her to say her piece. It’s a fine line that guy has to walk.
Fuck u mark is a simp for her and we all know it I am just glad he’s got bosses whom can see past Serena’s gaslighting lowkey tho Serena actress is amazing at playing Serena cuz in her GQ interview she was so cute.
I love how when Moira called to the baby saying Nicole… the baby looked and said huh…lol, then Moira said I’ll be back soon, and it looked like the baby was thinking ok hurry back lol
This scene comes exactly after
" june slapping fred scene "
as the most satisfying scene in the show
Also "Emily taking revenge on Aunt Lydia scene"
Samira Wiley's improvisation is incredible and I love her way of immersion in a character.
What do you mean improvisation?
@@NaturallllyuniqueInteraction with the baby in the beginning
Samira Wiley deserves an Emmy for this scene alone
I loved this scene. And the baby looking around like, "hey, where you going?" Priceless.
‘You’re the gender betrayer’ best line of the whole show!!
Traitor
Damn right, Moira has every right to say that to her. After all what she been through from that hellhole and she deserve to be respect and brave. ✊🏿
The most beautifully casual "fuck you" ever
"Who are you, really?"
Made me shiver
0:22 okay this is cute. The baby seems so comfortable with her 🥲
"YOU are the gender traitor" no truer words were ever spoken .
What a powerful line
"That's uncalled for" is that guy serious !!
I love the scenes where the Gileads are traveling away from Gilead and people are FREE to respond to their identity and they cant do anything about it.
PERIODDDDDD I just said the same thing I love when people call someone out from gilead
Serena pretty much spearheaded the entire regime before her husband and the other husbands took over. She is the very definition of "you break it, you buy it"
Little Nichole contributed absolutely wonderfully to this scene!!!! I loved her in every shot, just so adorable and funny 😊🌸💕
Every time you think Serena has changed or will become a better person she proves that deep down she is only out for herself I love the actress who plays her and she plays her so well but Serena does deserve to suffer for her sins
The "who are you" had me crying on the floor😂😂😂😂
THIS SCENE was one of my favorites. ugh,so good.
Never heard such a powerful "no u" before
Simultaneously the most adorable and most badass scene of the entire show.
"That's uncalled for"
"Fuck you"
Go Moira go
Serena's lack of self-worth always disgusted me. fantasizing about such a sick order and building it. and that scene is a relief. Moira expressed my feelings well.
This whole scene gives me life:
"That's uncalled for"
M: "Fuck you!"
YOU, ARE THE GENDER-TRAITOR
Moira always had June's back and June had hers
I can't take this mark tuelo dude seriously smh
Sonia Khansa he’s such a simp felt like he’s just tryna get with Serena LOL but it was soooo satisfying when he arrested her in the end
He was infatuated with saving her and could only see her as a victim when she helped found Gilead.
@@SoulfulSeeker-OneSoul I think he's playing good cop to get her to cooperate with him, and once it's done, have the book thrown at her.
cannot put into words how much i enjoyed this scene
Moira's coolness gives me goosebumps
Serena is the real monster. She helped make Fred the way he is and helped create Gilead. She’s no innocent here.
The baby is not her baby. It’s June’s baby. A baby that is being raised with real love by June’s husband and best friend. They’re her real parents. Not Serena.
Fr, she's the real monster here. People keep infantalizing her and acting like she's a victim after she had her baby, but that doesn't change the fact that woman or not, she helped create a dictatorship that gas murdered, mutilated and tortured people
You tell her Moira!
Moira is hot as hell.
"That's uncalled for" Ugh! After everything Moira had gone through I think she deserved to beat Serena to a pulp!
Yes Moira, get her!
honestly, I don't care how redemptive they are trying to make serena now. I just cannot forget what a terrible person she is.
Samira Wiley, what an actor!
Heavy acting aside, baby Nichole is adorable.
As much as I hate/love Serena (I can’t make up my mind), Yvonne Strahovski is one beautiful woman!
Best line of the show, hands down
I love Moira. And get your political correct hands off her! She has any right to say these words!
That's not at all what politically correct means! It doesn't mean defending evil ppl who r guilty of heinous acts. What's his name is being diplomatic, at best, trying not to alienate Serena so she can b a cooperative witness or being sycophantic, at worst, defending sum1 who doesn't deserve it 4 sum reason I can't fathom.
But using language that is representative of all ppl instead of just one group (like saying chairperson instead of chairman, becoz women can hold that position too) is nowhere near the neighborhood of defending a rapist, against a rape survivor no less!
Now this is more like it! Serenae can never be forgiven for her part in all this. Her character before the world changed was of a woman who spoke up for women… she’s extra guilty.
June's friend. June's daughter.
Moira cannot be more correct ab Serena being the gender traitor.
Does Serena not remember Moira LOL? "Its nice to meet you" man, if looks could kill
"Gender traitor."
I've heard something similar said by certain people.
Easily one of my favorite scenes in this show. Maybe my absolute favorite of all.
Killed it from 1:10 on. Great acting.
We all need a friend like Moira.
Truer words have not been spoken. Well said Moira
Can we all stop calling Holly by Nicole thanx
June calls her Nicole. As she gave her to Emily, she said 'Her name's Nicole'. That's like a gift she made to Serena; she let her escape and held back her husband, and as a thank you, June decided to at least let her name the baby, because she knew how much she meant to Serena. Her name now is Nicole.
@@yuzu8709 I think it's also because Nicole is kind of similar to Nick, he is her dad after all.
This whole plotline never made any sense.
Holly was brought into Canada by Emily who had been maimed by Gilead. Serena and Fred are not genetically related to Holly, a test any hospital today can do and get results in hours. Fred is under arrest for raping the presumed actual mother so any adoption papers must be suspect.
So why does Serena get to see her?
Because of politics (in my understanding). The deal was: She would give them one of the commanders for the exchange of being able to simply meet, have a few moments with Nichole. That’s a damn good deal.
Also I think they allowed it so they could get further with prosecuting Fred.
I think it was her blaming all her actions in Gilead on being prosecuted. Despite her position there, she was still oppressed and if she didn't comply with Gileadean instructions, she would be punished (even if she helped set it up herself ajdjskdnskdn). I don't really get why they let her see the kid that isn't hers in any respect but probably just to get more information about Gilead in exchange for time with Holly
According to the show and book, the Fred Waterford is a powerful figure. Under Gilead Law, Nicole is the commanders daughter. According to the show, Gilead has a power army. This is not just politics this could bring war.
@@popbaby103 If Fred was that powerful then Canada wouldn't have arrested him in the first place.
Also in the book it was not at all clear how powerful Gilead was. They didn't seem to control much outside New England and the Mid-Atlantic. There were references to them fighting the Baptists in the south and the Mormons in the west and the colonies were strongly implied to be in the industrial Midwest. With almost all of the US military in the regions not inside that Gilead they would be fairly weak militarily speaking.
In the show their reach is longer but their military strength seems much diminished. They seem to be much like current day Russia. A failed state with nuclear weapons that must be handled delicately since the unstable leadership could potentially use the weapons they shouldn't have.
One of my favourite scenes 😘🤩
I love this scene. Moira (I forget the actors name) really shows her talent here.
I dont understand why she can even see the baby at all.
One of my favorite scenes
I like how Moira tells Mark "fuck you." Like you dont know what we went through.
I love Moira
All the leads are phenomenal. For me to hate Serena means the actress is brilliant
I hate Serena with every fibre of my being. She makes me feel ashamed that my middle name is Serena.
i always thought serena was much worse than fred tbh. i don't think fred thought he was r*ping June until the awful seen where they are trying to induce labor. it seemed like fred genuinely thought he and june had something and that he was just seducing her.
I love Moira!!
The irony here is that Serena, as the rest of the wives had no priviledge either. So she basically supported a system muted her as well.
It must be killing Serena to see another woman being with "her" child
Moira should of technically done this at the pick up vs the drop off but I can understand the need for it initially. The baby could do a few of these at that age without damage anyways.
Samira Wiley 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
I just love Moira.❤
0:22 that’s so cute tho XD
Like an awesome song once said:
"SHE HAD IT COMING!"
(I know it was "he had it coming", but my point still stands)
This is piercing.
My favorite scene in the entire series!!!!!!
This scene is probably my favorite scene this season
I love her so much
It's Pussey Washington from oitnb!!!! I love this actress.
Pousseyyyy
1:10 "Fuck you." I love Moira :P
I don't trust Mark Tuelo.
that fuck you was instant
This series gives such an important perspective about the feminist movement , formed by white upper and middle class women , that push their agenda and ignore the other women from minority groups.
Ignore any woman that do not agree with their agenda and try to silence them.
Now watching season 5 serena realises how much she needs other women
The actress who plays Moira is a lesbian in real life
Moira was one of the best characters on the show!
See I would have just ran up seen as I saw her
The best fuck you ever said
"I've sinned plenty". Is she talking about how she gave up her child for money?
It was surrogacy I think. Many people do that
It's called surrogacy swine, plenty of women do it and it's far from being a 'sin'
What the f*ck is wrong with u? Do u not understand surrogacy? Where's the sin in that?
Why do these women even acknowledge the concept of sin or god? That seems like being complicit in their own oppression.
Christianity in particular has dozens upon dozens of denominations that all profess to have the ultimate truth. I KNOW Christians like Moira or any of the abuse victims in this show who swear up and down that Gilead isn't in accordance with what God wants for them but meanwhile, I'm sitting here like "How do you know tho?". Those dozens of denominations allow all Christians to move the goalposts, say "not my God tho. He's the God of love, peace, etc," and IMO, engage with their religion uncritically. So while I wouldn't ever say that an abuse victim like Moira is complicit in their abuse (I don't even think it's possible because it sounds way too close to victim blaming for me), I can't entirely hold it against her when she refers to sins or God because (most Americans have been indoctrinated into light Christianity/Theism at a young age but more importantly), in Moira's mind, Serena is the one sinning and acting against God but in Serena's eyes, Moira is the one going against God and in my atheist eyes, none of us have any clue whether or not there is a God to act against, much less how they feel about humans and our atrocious acts towards each other.
Like, there are dozens of LGBTQIA+ Christians because God's Will/Nature/Law can be whatever we want it to be until He makes it unambiguously clear and to me, the silence speaks volumes but I'm just one person.
Flip this with the LGBTQ community, the context stay the same.