I‘m doing a 9000 km road trip from Zurich via Germany, Denmark and Norway up to Nordkapp and back, currently back down in Stavanger. I was lucky, 7000+ km in and so far I‘ve not had to wait one single time for a charger. 95% of the charging was done on Tesla Superchargers. Norway is so incredibly beautiful!!
Wow that's awesome! I would love to do a trip like that too when I get my M3 SR+ (picking up in two weeks in Geneva)! How many days was your trip and what car did you use?
@@pwnie404 I drive my M3P, in Sport mode all the time. Way more effective to overtake all the caravans up here :) All in all I‘ll be on my way for 24/25 days..
Just spent a week at lake Como and then drove back to Denmark. There are so many super chargers. I needed mor breakers than the car and I saw 2 busy superchargers but I just went to the one before or after. Driving through Europe in a Tesla is so much a non issue.
Key to future charging is to get the gas stations to add chargers. Chargers spread out will help drivers decide where to stop. Gas stations make money on food and drink. Win Win
For me, the key is destination chargers. With current range on newer and future cars if you start with 100% before trip, most trips would be possible without a single charge stop. I would assume with all the EVs started with 100% overnight charge, there would not be any queue at all on current chargers. ( This is for Norway, with already lots of chargers and generally low speed highway driving. For highspeed motorway driving superchargers are needed on the motorway )
We've only had our S for two and a half years, and I've *almost* had to wait once. The car was telling me that all spots were occupied (this was in the middle of winter, at Gol before the new site was opened), but just as I pulled in a car was leaving and there was no queue. A little while ago I did a very unscientific "study", comparing the SuC and Ionity maps, noting how many sites they listed as planned/being built in Europe. The Ionity map showed 11; the SuC map 42 (just the Iberian peninsula and Italy came to about 11). If we also keep in mind that Ionity sites typically have 4-8 chargers, and SuC sites are typically 12+ it doesn't look pretty, considering Ionity is backed by the majority of the European car manufacturers. Sure, there are other networks, so the situation is better than what Ionity build out alone would suggest, but it does show the difference in focus between Tesla and "all the others" on making charging infrastructure ubiquitous and plentiful enough so that long-distance travel is painless.
That is Ionity's main problem: they build too few charging stations when they build in one place. 4 units are not enough. Tesla would build at least 8 units in that space.
A lot of IONITY chargers have an option to expand by at least 2 slots. In those cases they have even marked the parking spot for it, just not added the charger itself. But I agree, why not go all the way when they decided to invest in the first place? Maybe a way to save money to see if it becomes popular?
Yes but most sites (except Tesla SuC) have one stall only typically equipped with Tritium Veefils which are not as reliable as they should be. Done 30.000km last year in country NSW and QLD and only because i can charge CCS, ChaDeMo and 22kW AC i was able to complete all my trips in good time. I never have range anxiety, i have charger anxiety.
@@nolibtard6023 Tesla Model X/S with CCS conversion and Tesla ChaDeMo adapter. Has saved me a couple of times when the CCS side of a charger was not working but ChaDeMo did.
Hi, mostly you will charge at home, unless on a trip. Just get one with a good size battery / range. Then you realise Tesla’s charge up so quickly and they are CCS in UK now. Take care.
@@markeh1971 hello, yes, but there are many people in cities where they live in apartments. I often keep eyes on EV, the torque is simply imbattable. Bot for the moment.. I am driving a gasoline car.
ADAC has got Stauberater to assist people standing in Stau with Information and so on. They drive wherever a big Stau occurs. You could become Ladestauberater, driving from Ladestau to Ladestau, giving tips etc for better and more efficient usage of the stalls and organise cars to the best fitting stalls for fastest turnaround times.
Björn should make a challange: Meet with 20 cars with empty battery at a place with 4 stalls, just watch them charging. Next week meet again with the same cars with empty battery. Now have some rules: 1. Only charge until the car reduces the powerto 2/3 of peak charge power 2. Open charge port, open App or search for RFID Card when you are first in line. 3. if you have a partner, he/she should go to the stall and autorisize for charging while you park, and have the plug ready to pull once you stop the car :-) compere the waiting time between first attemp and second.
@@b22msk it's not though. If ev sales double unlikely charge points will double. Also even as charging gets faster old sub 50kw cars will still need charging taking longer to get a charging point. . How often do you wait 30 mins for a petrol or diesel pump to be available. And how many 1.5 megawatt stations going to be in holiday areas where demand will be high and not regular. Massive investment for seasonal return.
@@davidfarrell1062 Infrastructure will surely continue to be added to support new EV sales, and all of the new stations will surely be of a higher speed (250-350kW minimum in my opinion). So, more new and faster stations will really lessen the impact of the slower charging cars that'll be hanging around for the next decade or so). Though, there will be a point of diminishing returns which may not eliminate all peak queues like we're seeing here.
The solution is buy the ev with its own dedicated charging network. Otherwise yes it’s the biggest challenge for EVs. Remember most charging will be from home.
I made the mistake of passing Dombás towards Trondheim a few weeks ago. The other charging sites had way longer queues! Had to wait for hours in Oppdal, only two 50kW chargers and people with slow charging cars who charged for more than half an hour.
Yes, never rely on sites with only 1-2 chargers during summer vacation and retain enough charge to drive to the next one even during off-season. With this rule and sometimes checking charger availability in app I have never experienced having to wait in queue. Passed many such locations with no availability last week.
Great video! Can't believe there were 2 Mach-E's at the same station at the same time in Norway! I have a GT on order here in the NE of the US with 3 dealers within 20 minutes of me and have never seen a mach-e on the road yet!
There were at least 35 new Mach-e's ready for delivery outside my local Ford dealer in Trondheim last time i passed by. I see lots of them every day...
@@Zedus-rl9hp Correct. The fact that they discussed fast expansion with their stakeholders some months ago is just sad. It seems there is on real awareness of the current situation. I dont think they can even buy enough chargers to expand fast. Overcomplex chargers, high demand and the semiconductors crisis are real challenges.
Very interesting video -- I’m waiting to see this kind of ‘problem’ in the USA with charging networks. Hopefully some of these lessons learned make it to newer EV charging spots over time.
We are still in the starting stages of shifting to ev’s, hopefully as more people shift, gas stations and all other destinations implement better infrastructure.
Every time I see those videos I am so happy to drive a Tesla. Hope this is not gonna change soon if SC are opened. It is beyond me how Ionity only has 4 stalls and Tesla has 20 or so.
We had a terrible experience with bkk’s payment service this summer where they ended up starting the session manually. I hope that Norway implements contactless payments on charger like in the uk
@@bjornnyland I am. Shit like this still happens. I live near Gardermoen and during the time I was waiting for my Tesla ownership verification, I had to charge at the public chargers or travel 20 km to Nebbenes. Let me tell you.. The 20 min trip to Nebbenes is well worth the ride in order to avoid the shitty chargers near McDonald’s. I start charging in the app, it crashes. Did it 3 times on a day where I had an EV sceptic (in laws) in the car. Finally took my 2019 MS that I rarely supercharge over to Nebbenes and what a pleasant experience that plug-in was. No stupid card, no buttons, nothing.
@@omarbabakarkhail Don't rely on the app. Use RFID. The chargers can store tens of thousands of RFID locally in a whitelist. And even if the charger is offline, you can start charging with RFID. During my road trips and 1000 km challenges, I use a lot of charging networks and I rarely get problems to start charging. Why? Because I use RFID and don't rely on the app.
12:12 I wouldn't call it not bad. Having seven cars waiting in front of you is in the best case scenario a 1h wait time, plus another 30 mins of wait time for actual charging.
indeed, I would go crazy seeing that. That's why I don't want superchargers to be open to everyone. First there must be way more superchargers. Until now, even on very busy Saturdays in July, I never had to wait with my Tesla. This won't be the case if everyone can come over to charge there.
That sounds about right if the average charging time was 30 minutes, but it’s more like 15 to 20, so his 30 minute wait estimate is about right. The average wait time for a queue would be average charge time * queue length including yourself / stalls. You can technically divide the average wait time in half for the cars that are already charging. He also said it’s “not that bad”, acknowledging that it is bad, just not that bad, although I would also disagree. I’ve heard of 2 hour queues in parts of California during holidays, but that’s not the standard to compare it to.
Well in this case Bjorn is not able to be objectiv....Thats kind of dissppointing. EVs have also disadvantages, why no talking about it clearly. - Without puplic insentives EVs wouldnt be competable on the market till now. - If the charging Network wont keep up with the ev Population on the Road there will be a great problem for the howl EV drivers. E-Mobilty is not the only answer to our mobility problems of the Future.
I'm thinking Tesla might install longer supercharger cables or use a different stall design for other brands, you can't charge for example an ID4 when it's that busy, there's no way to park so that the plug can reach the charging port
cables long enough to lay on the ground sound like a bad idea to me. mabe they will add more pull-through stations once the cybertruck is out and more people pull trailers. that woul solve this problem too I guess.
I’m wondering would Tesla make a CCS extension cable that will be in some way be tied to your Tesla account. It will take care of billing and also take care of cars with charge ports in different locations.
I had an experience at my local Circle K last weekend. They only have 2 stalls 150/300kWh. When i got there, both stalls were busy, and 4 other EVs were in the queue to charge next. I only had 10% charge, and needed 15% to get home. I then remembered I had my Range Extender, turned it on, and drove home and charged there. Damn i love my i3 REX when queues happen :) LOL
Norway is way way ahead of all the rest of Europe, as they wisely spent money from North Sea oil on Hydro electric power stations. In the UK we are hopelessly equipped ( I think we spent our North Sea oil Revenue on beer) the few chargers on motorways here are often broken, it’s pathetic. Tesla (as usual) are the only serious option in the UK because of their charger network.
We need an open standard, so that cars can look ahead and see, if there is a free charging-station. Then if you plan the route, the car can reserve charging stations for the time of your arrival. If there is no charger left, your car automaticly picks the next free station.
I have driven with my Xpeng from Northern Norway, down to Ålesund, took the road 50 over to Geilo, there it was some que at Circle K, only one charger at Kiwi in Rødberg, had to stop there, before I went to Circle K in Kongsberg, cause i saw you had been there, very nice station. I hope it will be more chargers set up in early future, cause it seems its too little chargers, and that more places can make a que system which you showed in this video, great video Bjørn!
love your videos wish Australia had the charging numbers like Norway but looks like we ate 10 years behind love the Red Daihatsu Copen in the background at the start of the video
Only in Europe, certainly on trips down under we dont have the time or patience to wait half an hour. Like you said if you just pulled up and you are the 2nd car is ok. What if 5 cars pull up at the same time and all the bays are full, its more than half hour wait.
I wonder how busy the supercharger stalls will get once the network is open to everyone. It's a double edge sword because people know it so well that they will probably bypass the other charging stations just to use it causing horrific congestion.
Let's hope NIO brings some speed to the charging infrastructurr in Norway. And of course to the rest of Europe. When you are waiting 1 hour or more, you will dream of swapping.
3:25 only losing 2%> That's stunning. My 2019 Long Range lost 3% overnight, after charging to 75% on AC, unplugging, and cooling off the the garage overnight...
What big of a plot is needed to fit as many chargers as needed to elininate such queues. The point is that the charging speed should be accelerated to match at least from 10 to 80% the speed of refuling a car with ice. Not talking about the ranges an ev can do with 80% charge.
I just took a look at Italy's charging stations and was deeply shocked. Would be a challenge driving to Gallipoli. I wonder if Bjørn Nyland would even try it lol.
You are doing all right there!!! I do not see any to start school so early (16 of august). This is the most lame thing in world - going to vacation at the same time.
The main Problem i see is not that that there are not that many stalls but rather that not all the cars can take high loads at the charger. The standard for EV's should be 150kw.
What is it with the Tesla chargers being elegantly designed, and slimline, and standard CCS/Chademo chargers being gigantic boxes? What's actually in there compared to Tesla's charger? That's surely part of the barrier to finding space in lots for them?
Not sure, but also non-Tesla chargers need “banking” hardware in them (card readers, for example) that Tesla chargers don’t need. Maybe that adds to their bulk and necessitates a boxy design.
@@puppet-head Yes might be, but you see Ionity with huge bank of sub transformers etc. too...strange that they would make the charger unit itself larger when that needs to be the most compact.
*a lot Edit: Your sentence had so many grammar errors. Here's the corrected one: "Office rats. That was very kind of you. You have a lot of class, Bjørn."
@@anthonyc8499 the electric highway/gridserve partnership seems to mean putting one or 2 hpc at motorway service station. Far better than the original electric highway offering, not feasible an min to replicate the one huge service station Gridserve have in SE everywhere yet. Government needs to get involved to speed up increasing charging network & regulating it. Shouldn't need a multitude of apps & rfid's. That's why I went Tesla. Great how electric car sales have gone in last year, charging infrastructure isn't keeping pace.
Exactly! People focus way too much on this aspect of EVs. For most people, charging at home nightly eliminates the need to stop at a public station weekly.
Actually, only the driver was waiting. The rest of the family went to the gas station or the restaurant to order food. With this much traffic, expect 15-20 minutes before the food is on the table.
Regarding Tesla is opening up its charger network to competing automakers, from a competitive standpoint, that seems surprising because their charger network is their competitive advantage. It does give people who don't yet own an EV another reason to get one.
I'm so happy I'm driving Tesla. All other so much fuzz. Not only finding charging spot, but it's different operators with completely different pricing, different apps etc....and this is just in one country. Try to cross different boarders....
Today I and 3 other ppl had to wait for 2 hours because of a Tesla model 3, and a Jaguar E pace, they parked it at the charger and just went for a 2hour walk. Some ppl dont have any manners and think they can charge until the car is at 100% and that they own the world Jesus I cant belive the nerve some ppl has. When they came back there was no aplogy no regerts ever. You can say they got the whole library of swearing words from the Norwegian dictionary
I’m on my way back from a road trip to Norway back to Holland. The biggest issue I had is paying with a charging card that was not working. I installed Plugsurfing and Bilkraft and the BMW charging card, but still I could not pay at a lot of chargers. Which payment method would be the best for charging in Norway? I drive an i3.
Many of the older 1-2 stall and new shopping center locations are Mer which has it's own app. Circle K also has their own app, and in Troms og Finnmark the 25 new high powered charging locations are Ishavskraft which have yet another app. Furthermore except Bilkraft you can use new app Elton for Recharge (Fortum), Kople and Ionity stations (also covered by Plugsurfing, but cheaper with Elton if you do not have eg. Audi subscription). For Norwegians most of this can be connected to RFID from Norwegian EV association, so you only need to bother with the different apps for registration and when getting a new credit card. AC charging in parking lots are most often Easypark, but beware pricing especially at shopping malls can be expensive. I use Plugshare to find new chargers and chargers along new routes.
@@insevanhouts Unfortunately on the stretch of E6 I drive most often, Fortum/Recharge have some of the oldest chargers with more frequent faults. One location (Grong) had a fault on one or both chargers all three times I have driven past this summer.
Best way to travel any distance in UK. Only problem is overnight closures on motorways sometimes. At least essential facilities at service areas are open.
I am curious if people check-in in Plugshare or something.. or maybe most of the charging networks have their own system by now to show occupied/free plugs per station. This is a big problem with all the different networks and non-tesla EVs, along with all the different apps and accounts and RFIDs and minimum charging limits and so on... 😒 I don't get why the EU doesn't try and regulate this process and set some standard or at least impose a card payment option as mandatory
I tried bkk 200kw charger Dombås last week. It cannot start charging my ioniq when chademo was used by leaf. I dont know if that was this one charger problem or general rule
Yes imagine that! no petrol station will work nor anything else. In California it where people with EV's who would get petrol for people who had generators. Those with Powerwalls still had electricity.
“Not too bad”. Meanwhile I am still in a fossil, and can charge 400+km in about a minute. Looking forward to the great improvements coming in the new generations of EV’s.
Why I don't see anyone calling the support line (emergency phone#) and doing some stern talking to to the charger guys? The infra folks need to start taking these broken charger issue seriously.
Hey Bjorn, is the queuing deterring Norwegians from buying EVs? In the UK, this is putting off EV adoption because the infrastructure is not sufficient (at least not as good as Norway).
I'm not Bjørn, but I want to say no 😁 In the last three months, the share of electric cars is over 60% of new car sales, 64.1% in July. Last year the sales was over 50%. Even with good media coverage around the issue, especially last year. The summers of 2020 and 2021 are probably also relatively extreme as almost no one has a holiday abroad, virtually everyone is at a cabin or has a car holiday. (Norway normally has the highest number of trips abroad per inhabitant and the vast majority take most of their holidays during the same three weeks in the summer.)
This is the one downside of EVs, and Norway is the bleeding edge for us to see. We're at 2% adoption in the US. Once we get to something like 20% it's gonna be a sh!t show if we don't massively expand the charging infrastructure. That's why I'm pretty disappointed that Tesla said they will open it to all OEMs.
These problems make me say that the infrastructure isn’t ready yet for mass adoption of electric cars. I recon I’ll buy a PHEV next, as my country is less well developed as far as I can see. You won’t have these sorts waits to fill up with petrol or diesel
6:30 Björn, you mention that the consumption estimation of Tesla is so good, that you don't need ABRP. I drive a Model 3 MIC too and my experience so far on longer trips was that the estimation of the Tesla planner was so pessimistic, that I arrived with very high SOC to the next Supercharger (>30%) such that I feel the planning could be more efficient considering the charging speed at different SOC. Did make this experience too, specifically in the MIC? Any suggestion to overcome it with the Tesla planner (of course using ABRP in parallel is an option, but quite an effort)?
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I‘m doing a 9000 km road trip from Zurich via Germany, Denmark and Norway up to Nordkapp and back, currently back down in Stavanger. I was lucky, 7000+ km in and so far I‘ve not had to wait one single time for a charger. 95% of the charging was done on Tesla Superchargers. Norway is so incredibly beautiful!!
Wow that's awesome! I would love to do a trip like that too when I get my M3 SR+ (picking up in two weeks in Geneva)! How many days was your trip and what car did you use?
@@pwnie404 I drive my M3P, in Sport mode all the time. Way more effective to overtake all the caravans up here :)
All in all I‘ll be on my way for 24/25 days..
Just spent a week at lake Como and then drove back to Denmark. There are so many super chargers. I needed mor breakers than the car and I saw 2 busy superchargers but I just went to the one before or after.
Driving through Europe in a Tesla is so much a non issue.
Key to future charging is to get the gas stations to add chargers. Chargers spread out will help drivers decide where to stop. Gas stations make money on food and drink. Win Win
For me, the key is destination chargers. With current range on newer and future cars if you start with 100% before trip, most trips would be possible without a single charge stop. I would assume with all the EVs started with 100% overnight charge, there would not be any queue at all on current chargers. ( This is for Norway, with already lots of chargers and generally low speed highway driving. For highspeed motorway driving superchargers are needed on the motorway )
one burning ev on gas station its atom bomb
Battery swap like in China. 5 min and you are off. Check NIO
@@TheLemminkainen it's easier that a fossil car catches fire rather than an EV ;)
@@mariomotorcyclediaries EV 'sis fossile car its run by energy made with dinopower coal,wind,oil,CNG.
I really enjoyed watching your video! nice to see how charging queues are like in Norway on busy days. thx for your work Björn!
Been driving a model s for 6 years now. never had to wait. thank you tesla.
We've only had our S for two and a half years, and I've *almost* had to wait once. The car was telling me that all spots were occupied (this was in the middle of winter, at Gol before the new site was opened), but just as I pulled in a car was leaving and there was no queue.
A little while ago I did a very unscientific "study", comparing the SuC and Ionity maps, noting how many sites they listed as planned/being built in Europe. The Ionity map showed 11; the SuC map 42 (just the Iberian peninsula and Italy came to about 11). If we also keep in mind that Ionity sites typically have 4-8 chargers, and SuC sites are typically 12+ it doesn't look pretty, considering Ionity is backed by the majority of the European car manufacturers. Sure, there are other networks, so the situation is better than what Ionity build out alone would suggest, but it does show the difference in focus between Tesla and "all the others" on making charging infrastructure ubiquitous and plentiful enough so that long-distance travel is painless.
That is Ionity's main problem: they build too few charging stations when they build in one place. 4 units are not enough. Tesla would build at least 8 units in that space.
A lot of IONITY chargers have an option to expand by at least 2 slots. In those cases they have even marked the parking spot for it, just not added the charger itself. But I agree, why not go all the way when they decided to invest in the first place? Maybe a way to save money to see if it becomes popular?
Tesla has been good about scaling their Supercharger stations over the years. Ionity, Circle K, and others are going to need to up their game quickly.
We don’t have enough EVs to make a queue in Australia.
Yes but most sites (except Tesla SuC) have one stall only typically equipped with Tritium Veefils which are not as reliable as they should be. Done 30.000km last year in country NSW and QLD and only because i can charge CCS, ChaDeMo and 22kW AC i was able to complete all my trips in good time. I never have range anxiety, i have charger anxiety.
Just own a leaf like me, can’t go far enough to need a charger lol I just charge at home.
@@moestrei what car can use both CCS and ChaDeMo
@@nolibtard6023 Tesla Model X/S with CCS conversion and Tesla ChaDeMo adapter. Has saved me a couple of times when the CCS side of a charger was not working but ChaDeMo did.
@@moestrei ahhh ok verstehe
Another timelapse of a location with lots of chargers would be cool.
Thank's for doing this. We need more stalls and faster charging! :)
Very informative video. Looks like driving a Tesla one is still in the lead
That's one of the reasons I haven't switched to electric yet (queues, charging time, range). But kudos to beta testers :)
Hi, mostly you will charge at home, unless on a trip.
Just get one with a good size battery / range.
Then you realise Tesla’s charge up so quickly and they are CCS in UK now.
Take care.
@@markeh1971 hello, yes, but there are many people in cities where they live in apartments.
I often keep eyes on EV, the torque is simply imbattable. Bot for the moment.. I am driving a gasoline car.
@@paralelmind Depends on where you live. There are so many public chargers already in Europe and UK.
I just remembered how much I enjoyed the Netflix series “Lillehammer”!
ADAC has got Stauberater to assist people standing in Stau with Information and so on. They drive wherever a big Stau occurs. You could become Ladestauberater, driving from Ladestau to Ladestau, giving tips etc for better and more efficient usage of the stalls and organise cars to the best fitting stalls for fastest turnaround times.
Björn should make a challange: Meet with 20 cars with empty battery at a place with 4 stalls, just watch them charging.
Next week meet again with the same cars with empty battery. Now have some rules:
1. Only charge until the car reduces the powerto 2/3 of peak charge power
2. Open charge port, open App or search for RFID Card when you are first in line.
3. if you have a partner, he/she should go to the stall and autorisize for charging while you park, and have the plug ready to pull once you stop the car :-)
compere the waiting time between first attemp and second.
Any ICE owner sitting on the fence to go to EV will not like these queues.
I got the oppposite impression. If this is the worst case scenario - bring it on!
@@b22msk it's not though. If ev sales double unlikely charge points will double. Also even as charging gets faster old sub 50kw cars will still need charging taking longer to get a charging point. . How often do you wait 30 mins for a petrol or diesel pump to be available. And how many 1.5 megawatt stations going to be in holiday areas where demand will be high and not regular. Massive investment for seasonal return.
@@davidfarrell1062 Infrastructure will surely continue to be added to support new EV sales, and all of the new stations will surely be of a higher speed (250-350kW minimum in my opinion). So, more new and faster stations will really lessen the impact of the slower charging cars that'll be hanging around for the next decade or so). Though, there will be a point of diminishing returns which may not eliminate all peak queues like we're seeing here.
@@davidfarrell1062 couldn't agree more. It's one thing to wait 30min but then you still have to wait another 20-40 minutes to charge your car.
The solution is buy the ev with its own dedicated charging network. Otherwise yes it’s the biggest challenge for EVs. Remember most charging will be from home.
Love the channel. Thinking of getting an EV. Thank you for the informative videos!
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I made the mistake of passing Dombás towards Trondheim a few weeks ago. The other charging sites had way longer queues! Had to wait for hours in Oppdal, only two 50kW chargers and people with slow charging cars who charged for more than half an hour.
Yes, never rely on sites with only 1-2 chargers during summer vacation and retain enough charge to drive to the next one even during off-season. With this rule and sometimes checking charger availability in app I have never experienced having to wait in queue. Passed many such locations with no availability last week.
Great video! Can't believe there were 2 Mach-E's at the same station at the same time in Norway! I have a GT on order here in the NE of the US with 3 dealers within 20 minutes of me and have never seen a mach-e on the road yet!
Actually it's three Mach-Es at 17:08!
Mach-E (1), e-C4, Mach-e (2), e-tron, ID.4 and another Mach-e (3) to the right
@@OenkePoenke I saw. Insane!
And ionic 5 already... It's not even available to buy here
There were at least 35 new Mach-e's ready for delivery outside my local Ford dealer in Trondheim last time i passed by. I see lots of them every day...
Love this videos 😁
Ionity should really start to build larger charging location
They are actually doing it already. Many existing sites have been expanded with more stalls. And new Ionity sites pop up like mushrooms.
@@bjornnyland Maybe content for another video? 🤔😊
They are one year behind schedule.
Real question: Do they grow fast enough?
@@mackster85 Even the plan, which has now been delayed by 1 year, was postponed by 1 year beforehand, so actually already 2 years late
@@Zedus-rl9hp Correct. The fact that they discussed fast expansion with their stakeholders some months ago is just sad. It seems there is on real awareness of the current situation.
I dont think they can even buy enough chargers to expand fast. Overcomplex chargers, high demand and the semiconductors crisis are real challenges.
Very interesting video -- I’m waiting to see this kind of ‘problem’ in the USA with charging networks. Hopefully some of these lessons learned make it to newer EV charging spots over time.
It has been a problem regularly in Superchargers in California, during holidays. Several videos on you tube showing that
We are still in the starting stages of shifting to ev’s, hopefully as more people shift, gas stations and all other destinations implement better infrastructure.
Bjorn: "Road is so small there is no middle lane marking", Laughs in Irish roads... that dam road is like a national road for us haha
Ha, I was thinking the same! I would love to see him attempt a trip here in Ireland. The small roads are about the width of his garage (if even)!
Road markings in the west of Ireland ha hahaha… that’ll be the line of grass down the middle of it..
No one:
Literally no one:
Telsa Bjørn: Driving 2h just to check the charging q
Every time I see those videos I am so happy to drive a Tesla. Hope this is not gonna change soon if SC are opened.
It is beyond me how Ionity only has 4 stalls and Tesla has 20 or so.
We had a terrible experience with bkk’s payment service this summer where they ended up starting the session manually. I hope that Norway implements contactless payments on charger like in the uk
Prepare beforehand and you won't have problems.
@@bjornnyland I am. Shit like this still happens. I live near Gardermoen and during the time I was waiting for my Tesla ownership verification, I had to charge at the public chargers or travel 20 km to Nebbenes.
Let me tell you.. The 20 min trip to Nebbenes is well worth the ride in order to avoid the shitty chargers near McDonald’s. I start charging in the app, it crashes. Did it 3 times on a day where I had an EV sceptic (in laws) in the car. Finally took my 2019 MS that I rarely supercharge over to Nebbenes and what a pleasant experience that plug-in was. No stupid card, no buttons, nothing.
@@omarbabakarkhail Don't rely on the app. Use RFID. The chargers can store tens of thousands of RFID locally in a whitelist. And even if the charger is offline, you can start charging with RFID. During my road trips and 1000 km challenges, I use a lot of charging networks and I rarely get problems to start charging. Why? Because I use RFID and don't rely on the app.
Best tesla advert xD
12:12 I wouldn't call it not bad. Having seven cars waiting in front of you is in the best case scenario a 1h wait time, plus another 30 mins of wait time for actual charging.
indeed, I would go crazy seeing that. That's why I don't want superchargers to be open to everyone. First there must be way more superchargers. Until now, even on very busy Saturdays in July, I never had to wait with my Tesla. This won't be the case if everyone can come over to charge there.
That sounds about right if the average charging time was 30 minutes, but it’s more like 15 to 20, so his 30 minute wait estimate is about right.
The average wait time for a queue would be average charge time * queue length including yourself / stalls. You can technically divide the average wait time in half for the cars that are already charging.
He also said it’s “not that bad”, acknowledging that it is bad, just not that bad, although I would also disagree. I’ve heard of 2 hour queues in parts of California during holidays, but that’s not the standard to compare it to.
Well in this case Bjorn is not able to be objectiv....Thats kind of dissppointing. EVs have also disadvantages, why no talking about it clearly.
- Without puplic insentives EVs wouldnt be competable on the market till now.
- If the charging Network wont keep up with the ev Population on the Road there will be a great problem for the howl EV drivers.
E-Mobilty is not the only answer to our mobility problems of the Future.
@Bjorn Nyland, I love all your videos, and especially the music in this one!!!
Yes!!!
Thanks for showing downside of charging
Loved the cool music on today’s video!
I'm thinking Tesla might install longer supercharger cables or use a different stall design for other brands, you can't charge for example an ID4 when it's that busy, there's no way to park so that the plug can reach the charging port
cables long enough to lay on the ground sound like a bad idea to me.
mabe they will add more pull-through stations once the cybertruck is out and more people pull trailers. that woul solve this problem too I guess.
I’m wondering would Tesla make a CCS extension cable that will be in some way be tied to your Tesla account. It will take care of billing and also take care of cars with charge ports in different locations.
I had an experience at my local Circle K last weekend. They only have 2 stalls 150/300kWh. When i got there, both stalls were busy, and 4 other EVs were in the queue to charge next. I only had 10% charge, and needed 15% to get home. I then remembered I had my Range Extender, turned it on, and drove home and charged there. Damn i love my i3 REX when queues happen :) LOL
It's nice seeing such a high adoption rate for EVs abroad. Here in the US, there's still a ways to go.
Norway is way way ahead of all the rest of Europe, as they wisely spent money from North Sea oil on Hydro electric power stations. In the UK we are hopelessly equipped ( I think we spent our North Sea oil Revenue on beer) the few chargers on motorways here are often broken, it’s pathetic. Tesla (as usual) are the only serious option in the UK because of their charger network.
How to playdown conversation in Norway:
Could you tell me how long are you staying here? NO
Is this your car? NO
;-))))))
Interesting choice to go north. I think chargers along E-18 Sørlandet would probably have been worse, as this is still mostly summer cabin season.
We need an open standard, so that cars can look ahead and see, if there is a free charging-station. Then if you plan the route, the car can reserve charging stations for the time of your arrival. If there is no charger left, your car automaticly picks the next free station.
6:30 just click on navigation list on the top 🙂
I have driven with my Xpeng from Northern Norway, down to Ålesund, took the road 50 over to Geilo, there it was some que at Circle K, only one charger at Kiwi in Rødberg, had to stop there, before I went to Circle K in Kongsberg, cause i saw you had been there, very nice station. I hope it will be more chargers set up in early future, cause it seems its too little chargers, and that more places can make a que system which you showed in this video, great video Bjørn!
love your videos wish Australia had the charging numbers like Norway but looks like we ate 10 years behind
love the Red Daihatsu Copen in the background at the start of the video
Some gas stations in my country take about the same time (gas stations at supermarkets, cheaper gas).
request from hubby: we'd love to see you visit a nio battery swapping station
Only in Europe, certainly on trips down under we dont have the time or patience to wait half an hour. Like you said if you just pulled up and you are the 2nd car is ok. What if 5 cars pull up at the same time and all the bays are full, its more than half hour wait.
I wonder how busy the supercharger stalls will get once the network is open to everyone. It's a double edge sword because people know it so well that they will probably bypass the other charging stations just to use it causing horrific congestion.
Let's hope NIO brings some speed to the charging infrastructurr in Norway. And of course to the rest of Europe. When you are waiting 1 hour or more, you will dream of swapping.
3:25 only losing 2%> That's stunning. My 2019 Long Range lost 3% overnight, after charging to 75% on AC, unplugging, and cooling off the the garage overnight...
Nice video, and cool music 👍👍
Excellent video 🙌🙌🚘
20:17 that new backup sound of AVAS/VESS of that Model 3 sounds like an UFO.
2 weeks M3 2-3% and MS about 20% or more. Oh well sux to have that type of drain on my car.... should probably check settings.
Once I started Tesla autopilot without any road markings. It was bitumen line in the middle only.
I was charging at Alvdal Supercharger on sunday, there was a 10 min queue for Teslas. Even longer at Ionity…
It was a good call for me to take Rendalen.
What big of a plot is needed to fit as many chargers as needed to elininate such queues. The point is that the charging speed should be accelerated to match at least from 10 to 80% the speed of refuling a car with ice. Not talking about the ranges an ev can do with 80% charge.
Charger hopping instead of charger hogging is the answer.
So crazy to see so many evs
Nice tunes man
I just took a look at Italy's charging stations and was deeply shocked. Would be a challenge driving to Gallipoli. I wonder if
Bjørn Nyland would even try it lol.
Check out his trip to Lapland. Italy is no challenge for this man.
8:17 Hohoho. I'm learning norwegian now. Fail pa hurtigladeren! Sound like "Fastcharging failed!"
In Sweden I still have vacation from gymnasium until August 30.
You are doing all right there!!! I do not see any to start school so early (16 of august). This is the most lame thing in world - going to vacation at the same time.
The main Problem i see is not that that there are not that many stalls but rather that not all the cars can take high loads at the charger. The standard for EV's should be 150kw.
Infrastructure for the win in Norway
Bjørn: Have you made a video about phantom braking in Model3? I find it pretty bad in my new SR+
What is it with the Tesla chargers being elegantly designed, and slimline, and standard CCS/Chademo chargers being gigantic boxes? What's actually in there compared to Tesla's charger? That's surely part of the barrier to finding space in lots for them?
Not sure, but also non-Tesla chargers need “banking” hardware in them (card readers, for example) that Tesla chargers don’t need. Maybe that adds to their bulk and necessitates a boxy design.
@@puppet-head Yes might be, but you see Ionity with huge bank of sub transformers etc. too...strange that they would make the charger unit itself larger when that needs to be the most compact.
Office rats, its very kind of you, you have have alot of class Bjorn
That hurt 🤣
Office Rats for the win 😉
He was one of them, so he knows :)
*a lot
Edit: Your sentence had so many grammar errors. Here's the corrected one:
"Office rats. That was very kind of you. You have a lot of class, Bjørn."
This will be the UK in 2-3 years time. At least we are quite good at queuing in the UK, building infrastructure not so good.
I think the UK is building HPCs quickly. Between Gridserve's Electric Forecourts / Electric Highway, Ionity, and others, it's coming along nicely.
@@anthonyc8499 the electric highway/gridserve partnership seems to mean putting one or 2 hpc at motorway service station. Far better than the original electric highway offering, not feasible an min to replicate the one huge service station Gridserve have in SE everywhere yet. Government needs to get involved to speed up increasing charging network & regulating it. Shouldn't need a multitude of apps & rfid's. That's why I went Tesla. Great how electric car sales have gone in last year, charging infrastructure isn't keeping pace.
Spend 30min extra on a roadtrip once a year waiting for a charger spot. Save tens of hours every year by not having to go to the gas station.
Exactly! People focus way too much on this aspect of EVs. For most people, charging at home nightly eliminates the need to stop at a public station weekly.
Actually, only the driver was waiting. The rest of the family went to the gas station or the restaurant to order food. With this much traffic, expect 15-20 minutes before the food is on the table.
I think a time limit would be nice if all chargers are being used and working. 30 minutes sounds about right.
You should have visited the two 50kw chargers at Beitostølen. Last year was a nightmare. #ladestau
Regarding Tesla is opening up its charger network to competing automakers, from a competitive standpoint, that seems surprising because their charger network is their competitive advantage. It does give people who don't yet own an EV another reason to get one.
16:22 You should have done an autopilot test 😂
I'm so happy I'm driving Tesla. All other so much fuzz. Not only finding charging spot, but it's different operators with completely different pricing, different apps etc....and this is just in one country. Try to cross different boarders....
But your office is mostly outside! How lucky :D
Today I and 3 other ppl had to wait for 2 hours because of a Tesla model 3, and a Jaguar E pace, they parked it at the charger and just went for a 2hour walk. Some ppl dont have any manners and think they can charge until the car is at 100% and that they own the world Jesus I cant belive the nerve some ppl has. When they came back there was no aplogy no regerts ever. You can say they got the whole library of swearing words from the Norwegian dictionary
Please cover NIO coming to Norway! NIO has a huge fanbase around the world!
I’m on my way back from a road trip to Norway back to Holland. The biggest issue I had is paying with a charging card that was not working. I installed Plugsurfing and Bilkraft and the BMW charging card, but still I could not pay at a lot of chargers. Which payment method would be the best for charging in Norway? I drive an i3.
Many of the older 1-2 stall and new shopping center locations are Mer which has it's own app. Circle K also has their own app, and in Troms og Finnmark the 25 new high powered charging locations are Ishavskraft which have yet another app. Furthermore except Bilkraft you can use new app Elton for Recharge (Fortum), Kople and Ionity stations (also covered by Plugsurfing, but cheaper with Elton if you do not have eg. Audi subscription). For Norwegians most of this can be connected to RFID from Norwegian EV association, so you only need to bother with the different apps for registration and when getting a new credit card.
AC charging in parking lots are most often Easypark, but beware pricing especially at shopping malls can be expensive.
I use Plugshare to find new chargers and chargers along new routes.
Shell recharge has a 99% succes rate for me. Cheap and reliable
@@insevanhouts Unfortunately on the stretch of E6 I drive most often, Fortum/Recharge have some of the oldest chargers with more frequent faults. One location (Grong) had a fault on one or both chargers all three times I have driven past this summer.
i follow your channel from 2013 to now, i really think that you are father of EV, by the day of 2013, only leaf is the main stream.
I am sad to see that even in Norway some charging stations queue...
i wish we have a queuing system in hk chargers
I travel at night , no one on the roads or charging stations
Best way to travel any distance in UK. Only problem is overnight closures on motorways sometimes. At least essential facilities at service areas are open.
In Alberta,there's no washrooms available at SuperChargers in the evening, so we have the adapter cable to charge at PetroCanada.
I am curious if people check-in in Plugshare or something.. or maybe most of the charging networks have their own system by now to show occupied/free plugs per station.
This is a big problem with all the different networks and non-tesla EVs, along with all the different apps and accounts and RFIDs and minimum charging limits and so on... 😒
I don't get why the EU doesn't try and regulate this process and set some standard or at least impose a card payment option as mandatory
What's the little red car parked across the Model 3 at the beginning?
I tried bkk 200kw charger Dombås last week. It cannot start charging my ioniq when chademo was used by leaf. I dont know if that was this one charger problem or general rule
try to do the same in France XD
Wow imagine a blackout :)
Yes imagine that! no petrol station will work nor anything else. In California it where people with EV's who would get petrol for people who had generators. Those with Powerwalls still had electricity.
“Not too bad”. Meanwhile I am still in a fossil, and can charge 400+km in about a minute. Looking forward to the great improvements coming in the new generations of EV’s.
...or just get a Tesla.
thats a svele not lefse. i demand a correcting caption
Why I don't see anyone calling the support line (emergency phone#) and doing some stern talking to to the charger guys? The infra folks need to start taking these broken charger issue seriously.
Hey Bjorn, is the queuing deterring Norwegians from buying EVs? In the UK, this is putting off EV adoption because the infrastructure is not sufficient (at least not as good as Norway).
I'm not Bjørn, but I want to say no 😁 In the last three months, the share of electric cars is over 60% of new car sales, 64.1% in July. Last year the sales was over 50%. Even with good media coverage around the issue, especially last year.
The summers of 2020 and 2021 are probably also relatively extreme as almost no one has a holiday abroad, virtually everyone is at a cabin or has a car holiday.
(Norway normally has the highest number of trips abroad per inhabitant and the vast majority take most of their holidays during the same three weeks in the summer.)
1 queue experience like that and I would sell my electric car the next day. Absolute dreadful
This is the one downside of EVs, and Norway is the bleeding edge for us to see. We're at 2% adoption in the US. Once we get to something like 20% it's gonna be a sh!t show if we don't massively expand the charging infrastructure. That's why I'm pretty disappointed that Tesla said they will open it to all OEMs.
If there's a mix of fast DC and slower AC chargers, you can add 70 to 90 km range an hour at any tourist stop or shopping mall on an AC charger.
this is an incoming nightmare!
Seems to me like with the current demand, opening Tesla supercharger for everyone would be fine and not cause Tesla drivers too much wait.
Also the new customers gives access to more funds to expand the network further.
These problems make me say that the infrastructure isn’t ready yet for mass adoption of electric cars. I recon I’ll buy a PHEV next, as my country is less well developed as far as I can see. You won’t have these sorts waits to fill up with petrol or diesel
nezt year the que is going to be even bigger since there will be more evs than chargers built
No. Then Norwegians vil be traveling abroad again.
the tire mark at 16:14 man i hoped it was a north-american stuff XD .....
Funny dude, Chinese guy speaking with a Norwegian accent :) Love it man!
Thai/Chinese
What do you do if there is a conflict on whos turn it is to use the charger? Or is there a reservation system in the app?
No reservation system. It's the wild west ev charging now.
6:30 Björn, you mention that the consumption estimation of Tesla is so good, that you don't need ABRP. I drive a Model 3 MIC too and my experience so far on longer trips was that the estimation of the Tesla planner was so pessimistic, that I arrived with very high SOC to the next Supercharger (>30%) such that I feel the planning could be more efficient considering the charging speed at different SOC. Did make this experience too, specifically in the MIC? Any suggestion to overcome it with the Tesla planner (of course using ABRP in parallel is an option, but quite an effort)?
Can't you set a way point charger arrival % ? In ABRP you can do that and I thought in Tesla you can do that too.
Hello
I’m in Norway and I see EV in the bus/taxi Line, is it legal? Even for me which is french? Thanks!
Hi Bjorn, is Markusbill sell cars outside Norway? Wonder if I can buy Tesla 3 LR and drive it here in Bulgaria?!
Ladestau ..... Charging Queue ... :-)
"58 kilowatt is still way faster than zero kilowatt"
Tesla wins again