The Battle of Mantinea 362 BC
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Messenia was conquered by Sparta roughly three hundred years earlier, not TWELVE :) A glaring mistake, I'm really sorry.
Dude I knew it was prolly just a slip of the tongue, sorry for drawing any attention to it, didn't know if you were able to fix it or what. Anyway love your vids brother, anyone who's genuinely interested in this stuff will kno it was just a slip of the tongue and not lack of knowledge on your part... Keep it up, mate
1,200 years seems a little long.
We don't accept your apology, this is unforgivable.
Better to realize a mistake and correct it than to remain oblivious to it.
Sir can you make a video about the yamato battle in the phillipines
The embodiment of "won the battle, lost the war."
they didn't lose the war though, they retained their loosely preeminent position, just somewhat weakened compared to it's peak
#PyrrhicVictory
Legend (recorded by historian Pausanias if I recall correctly) tells that, early in his life, Epameinondas had received an augury claiming he would meet his end at sea and that was why he stayed at land at all times.
When facing his death at the battle of 362 BCE, he learned that the place he was standing on was called by the locals ''Πελάγους Δρυμός''. It literally means ''the forest of the sea'' (Δρυμός = Forest , Πέλαγος = [small] sea , Πελάγους = of the [small] sea). Even though he was up on the mountainous regions of Arcadia, he still couldn't escape his prophesized fate.
With his life, he shook the foundations of Greece. With his death, he paved the way for the future of the world. The parallel lives of his and Pelopidas firmly proving that, indeed, a man (or two) alone can change the course of history.
Το πεπρωμένον φυγείν αδύνατον.indeed a similar story was told about the Kroissos ,king o Lydia and most of Asia Minor.it was about his sons fate.when an Oracle told him that his son is going to be killed by a Lion( lions were a common animal in Asia Minor and some parts of Greece,like the modern Holly Mountain)and because his son was an experience lion hunter,the king put his son in a palace and instructed his painters to paint scenes of lion hunts in the walls to keep his son amused.in reality the son was a prisoner in the palace and he was really angry.one day while walking in the palace by the hunting paintings,approached the lion in the painting and hit the wall with his clenched fist,saying to the lion ,you are the cause and I am here.unfortunately he hit an iron nail .he got infected and die of his infection.he was killed by a lion even if it was a painted lion.
Pausanias traveling there, in late 2nd Century AD, saw the Heroon of Epaminondas on the side of a hill at SKOPI, above the field of battle where Epaminondas fell wounded. He asked His Companions to move him there and he saw the Thebeans' victory before retiring to the Illysian Fields.
Many years later the Roman emperor Adrianus honored Epaminondas and either build the Heroon or rehabilitated an existing one.
I suspect that the present day chapel of St. Andrianos was rebuilt as a GO church upon the same foundations. Many ancient temples where recycled into new places of worship as the tide of history ebbs and flows.....
Blah, blah, blah.....you better pay your debts, bozo. Stop begging for money from the EU and Germany.
@@WolfCourtaud Lol, those debts were created by the EU's single currency, and Germany will always be EU's largest economy, easily.
That’s a rather great play on words and an irony.
(Our foolish general has thrown his life away, and perhaps our chances of victory with it.)x2
lmao
I see your point, but he was far from foolish. Men were very competitive on the battlefield back then, and a general had to be EXTRA competitive.
@@Billswiftgti its a Medieval Total War joke
@@mynamejeb8743 woosh then
A boy named Phillip from Macedon?
How is this gonna end well?
Alexander Christopher He had a fancy idea of making a phalanx that uses a 12 foot long pike. What ludicrousness. How are you going to hold a shield?
@@martytu20 And then his 20 year old child trying to realize his dreams to subjugate PERSIA?
MADNESS I SAY!
@@evrensaygn1017 Madness? THIS IS MACEDON
*gets kicked off the map*
He'll join the Night Watch i think
is it just me or have BazBattles begun to upload more consistently
Fenniks I think he wants to do this thebe history rapidly
I guess twice a month is more frequent that before ☻
Dont jinx it please!
Next step: 1 video every week
He has and I love it!
Greece: Did you subjugate Sparta?
Thebes: ...yes.
Greece: What did it cost?
Thebes: *looks at Pelopidas and Elpomenondas* Everything.
Epameinondas
@@sirpente6651 Epaminondas.
See how hard it is now?
@@JonatasAdoM In greek it's written: Επαμεινώνδας = Epameinóndas. Epaminondas is the english adaptation.
Do you see how much donkey are you, now?
@@sirpente6651 I'm not, I didn't see the rest, I thought you had written Epamenondas and thought it was a mistype.
Still doesn't change the fact OP clearly wrote it in English but committed a typo.
@@sirpente6651 And you also forgot the acccent
Please make one more episode for the miniseries, about the sacking of Thebes by Alexander. Also, it is said that while Epameinondas was dying many gathered around him and told him that it was a shame he did not leave children behind. Upon hearing that Epameinondas asked them to show him his shield, which they did. Then Epameinondas said: "I am leaving behind two daughters; my victory at Leuctra and my victory at Mantinea".
Epaminondas was amazing character. Invincible general, civil leader, Olympic champion wrestler, Pythagoran philosopher. "Renaissance" genius ahead of his time. Both Philip II and his son Alexander were hugely in debt for Epaminondas in their battle tactics.
Epaminondas is often called the "Liberator" , he freed some 250.000 helots and crushed the Spartan "dictatorial" militarism.
Cicero called Epaminondas one of the Greatest men Greece has ever produced.
holy shit, the accidental death of Epaminondas potentially changed the flow of world history.
Same as Hitler surviving WW1 as a foot soldier.
no it didnt
Respect to Greece from Turkey. I love Ancient Greek political history and how it looks like a mini version of much modern version of politics.
Greetings neighbour!
Greetings Turkey & Hellas from Australia! Started reading the next comments after this one,,, I think its amazing that both Turkey & Greece are still standing Country's 'not so many Country's have been through so much for such a long time! Peace to my Brothers Turkey & Greece!
Evren,... the more things chang,e the more they remain the same!!
A lot of Turks like ancient greek history and i cannot undernstand why.But i like this❤.
1. Send a settler to establish a city in a place that borders multiple neighbors.
2. Be surprised, when they all use "You settled too close" clause to turn hostile.
Sid Meier's Civilization Ancient Greek Edition? LMFAO
Ah, good ol' Civ mechanics played out IRL... Gotta love it...
Your maps with complete terrain and battle animations of crumbling and fading away forces are superb and probably the best of all the similar youtube channels I follow. The extra tidbits at the end are just an extra bonus as well. Finally your greek names and locations pronunciations are very close to how a greek would say them as well. Well one and keep up the amazing job!
I soon as i see your new video my mood brightens any day
or night :D
@@maxmagnus777 well i was just watching at nigh so yea mate :D
11:03
"...the Greek world had never seen before"
*I smiled.*
Yeah what? Macedonia is Greek.
@@kosta4951 r/whooosh
@@YMZakihe isn't wrong
Similar story to my king in medieval 2 total war. After a uphill battle “literally” I managed to mow them down with my ranged units. As my Templar’s all perished, I sent my king to take out routing troops and continue to their trebuchet but unknown to me, it fired when I was distracted with the Norwegians and killed my King. :P
When Kings & Generals and BazBattles upload back to back. These are the moments we love
Je suis en 2e année de licence d'histoire et cette vidéo est parfaite pour rédiger mon exposé, merci ! 🤗
An interesting thing to remember is that this is the second battle of Mantinea, the first was a struggle between Athens and Sparta and served as a major victory for the spartans.
I am from Arcadia a vilalge above Megalopolis
I am Greek and I absolutely love these videos about Greek history, keep up the great job. Next is the rise of Philip or you are just doing the Rise and fall of Thebes?
Great History you guys have, not being the most ancient but the richest for sure. Just recently i learned there was a second Justinian in the Byzantine Empire and now i learned the Thebans was kind a mix of Sparta and Athens
If I had a country, I would name my capital Megalopolis :-)
It's the name of my country south of the border :)
Fun fact, it literally means big city :D.
Play civilization, you can name the shit out of your capital.
No, you should name it Megalovania. >:)
Megalomanioplis
Happy Greek independence DAY!!
Turkslavic*
Anyway, no one cares about genetics. Nationality isn't about genetics.
@@Xandergre Hahaha this is your only victory and that with the russians United. Your history is full with humiliating losses against the Turks, 1071, 1453, 1922. 400 years of Turkish rule.
@@4Destan the Greeks/ Byzantines defeated the turks many times, due to the large amount of Turkic slaves taken from cities/ battles, the price of a turk slave in the 14th century was less than the price of a sheep. Constant civil war and treachery is why the Byzantines were weakened. Even in Manzikert, the reason the Byzantines lost was because Doukas betrayed the emperor and didn't close in with the vanguard.
It's not like the Turks had more technologically advanced armies or tactits. It was the usual horse archer coward steppe armies.
@@deskouk1773 byzantines never won a battle against the Ottomans, and never won a major battle against the Turks. What are you talking about give me examples and sources.
This mini series has been absolutely epic. The production values of Baz Battles just keeps growing! Keep up the great work
Philip learned from the best! Imagine if pelopidas and epaminondas held their tempers in, like charge ahead on a winning battle or join the troops pursuing as a general instead of commanding and prepare for the aftermath. Brilliant commanders but high testosterone levels
"high testosterone levels" might have been one of the reasons they were in a commanding position and respected, maybe ancient greeks admired that kind of behavior
@@ahmetsaidalkur50 True, as Alexander the Great was yet another commander who loved to charge into battle headfirst with no concern for his own safety, suffering several injuries throughout his life from war, and in one instance where he was shot in the chest by an arrow and nearly died himself after forcing a charge.
Ma bois epaminondas and pelopidas kicking the bucket in the same episode like...
Rip
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Now you gotta do a series for Philip of Macedon as well.
They have done that already.
@@aksmex2576 Really? I thought they did it for Alexander and not Philip
@@aksmex2576 No they haven't. Not for Philip.
@@randomname5083 They haven't done Philip yet. I don't know what hes talking about.
They deleted the video of Philips battle até Chareonea
Left Flank: *Chaaaaarge*
Center: *Stands still*
Left Flank: *Go on charge!*
Center: *Nah Im good aye Lmao*
Left Flank: *Am I a Joke to you?*
Wait... If the center moved to help the right flank, They could've been surrounded since there'll be a gap in between.
Phillip:. Love how you do things.
His son:. Nice city you have here.
First a video from K&G, and now a new video from bazbattles.
This will be a day long remembered.
Edit: It would be amazing if you would make any videos on the naval and land battles of the pelopponesian war.
So I'm guessing that solar eclipse was a bad omen for Thebes XD
And influenced by those men later Philip will do what no one truly had done before:He will finally unite all of Greece and look towards the real problem,the Persian empire,who were only so happy of seeing Greeks destroy each other
You deserve way more more subs! Keep up the amazing work!😀
OH SHIT. My boi Philip II getting a call out. Little did they know what he would spawn...
We just lost one of only 2 people keeping our city in power. Should we maybe take care of the remaining guy?
Nah, put him in charge of a simple mop up operation. What could go wrong?
no operation was mop up against Sparta.
Besides leaders led by example ask Filippos, Alexandros,....
why would i put my life on the line is you are hiding behind WWDs
want me to go out there....do not a draft dodger be!!!!!!!!!
The Spartan lines were broken and they were in full, disorderly retreat. At this point his presence in the front lines wasn't needed any more.
The Spartans were fierce warriors but you shouldn't fall for their propaganda *that* hard.
@@Thraim.
agreed.
but since he lead them into battle all was a possibility
I am a Greek born on March 25th, Greek Independence Day! That day is also my name day. Glad you could post a video about my ancestors! Thank you very much!! MOLON LABE
You are awesome , have yet to ever dislike a video you do . Would enjoy a behind the scenes video , or the process on how you choose battles
Loving these higher quality maps!
Wasn’t that Phillip II of Macedon? Alexander the Great’s father ???
Yes
Yeah the years check out.
I have to wonder. How do you "liberate" a place after 12 hundred years?
You just do
All Messenians were helots, meaning state owned slaves of Sparta, and according to Sparta's own founding myth they were foreign conquerors. Sparta made no attempt to assimilate their conquered people. The division of Spartan ruling class, non Spartan citizens and helots was very strict
As it happens, I just re-read Paul Cartledge's "The Spartans" and Donald Kagan's "The Peloponnesian War" so this is perfect timing!. Thank YOU!.
Nice to see the period correct language of 'GG wp'
That was the time when generals actually lead their troops in full sence of the word.
It remained like this until the 17th century if i remember, the Spanish King Carlos I lead his army in wurtemberg (if i remember the name) or maybe it was mulhberg
I dont know why I like these videos so much. History isnt even important to me.
This series was good. Also, what a great general - Epaminondas and his teaming up with Pelopidas... was just great!
This channel and Kind and Generals are probably some of the best channels at YT. Thank you for such good, concise yet profound documentaries. I would say, You people and folks from "KaG" should make best friends here at YT and beyond. Indeed, you should make one nice academical barbecue party together.
So glad I found you Baz! Great stuff! This is the future of palatable advertising!
You had me at "A pitched battle that will determine the fate of Theban hegemony is about to ensue"
Please do the battle of Bosworth field.....Richard III's last desperate charge into battle he leeroy jenkins into the field. In fact, an entire war of the roses series would be great
Best history docs on the market!!! Absolutely smashed it!
Well, the Spartans didn't subjugate the Messenians 1200 years before. Way too long.
More like 350, give or take a few decades... Prolly just a slipup when he said 1,200 years
@@termeownator read the description under the video he corrects himself
@@bl3achdrinker240 Wasn't there when I left my message. I left it a few mins after it was published, I thought RUclips might let you edit little bits or something. Thanks for the heads up on the description tho, Dawg
Yah I read about that, apparently many of them had been in exile for over 300 years preserving their culture and dialect until they returned
Could you do more about the Byzantine Empire? I love to see them purple rectangles XD
Oh God I was so expecting this!!!! So happy, thank you guys!
My day is made. Thank you Baz!
Best wishes for you and your Team 2022
We should never forget about history.
What a great video. Absolutely one of your best videos .Greek history is so intresting
The sons of the famous historian Xenophon, who were named Gryllos and Diodorus and were maybe twins (they were surnamed The Disocorides 'the twins'), were part of the battle among the athenian cavalry. This cavalry attacked the thebans at the end of the battle when the mantineans were disbanded. They saved many mantineans lives by doing so. Gryllos was killed, fighting bravely. Diodoros survived. Gryllos' death was very famous in the greek world. Athenians celebrated him in a gigantic painting (by the famous Euphranor) showing him killing Epaminondas ! His exploits during the battle inspired many orators and poets, among them the famous Isocratos. A copy of the painting was made in Mantinea. Gryllos had saved so many mantineans lives that they did not forget him and his exploits.
It is said that Xenophon was sacrifying to Gods when the news of the death of Gryllos reached him. He simply said : "i knew he was mortal". Xenophon was athenian, but he was banned for being prospartan after 404 (he even fought on the spartan side during the battle of Coronea 394). In 367 he was amnistied. That's why his sons could fight in the athenian cavalry at Mantinea.
Concerning Epaminondas, he died in the battle with his long time lover Cephisodoros. The roman Emperor Hadrian celebrated them in a poem when he came on the tomb of Epaminondas in Mantinea.
Sparta, Mantinea and Athens claimed to have killed Epaminondas during the battle. The Athenians and Mantineans claimed it was Gryllos with a javelin (Pausanias). The Spartans claimed it was Anticratos with a sword (Plutarch). Diogenes Lartius claimed that the spartans rushed the Thebans and Epaminondas and that they killed many and lethally wounded with a little javelin (sparo in latin) Epaminondas who died hours later.
There is so too much to say about this battle. Cant say all of course. :p
This channel is criminaly underloved
These kind of videos always make the games look so sick and really make me wanna play them
You are the best at these sorts of videos, I look forward to the next!
You really have set a new bar for quality history content
really enjoing watching those videos.
it's interesting to watch,beside most of people heard,or read about those battles.
keep going!
Epaminodas. Just rolls off the tongue
*RTW Music Plays*
Impeccable taste as usual.
Thanks BazBattles, keep up the great work!!!
The editing is orgasmic
Yesss some old history again! I love these the most. I don't mind the now and then GOT and modern historical battles but damn they don't compare to the actual old historical battles
Another take on ancient history, brought in such an awesome way that one such vid would transform a bored scholar into a passionate historian.
Just finished a Kings and Generals video and just saw there was a new Bazbattles video. The history high just keeps on coming.
You just gotta love how well BazBattles creates content
Great video though I would like to see more naval battles they are really interesting :).
Was not expecting a BazBattle today! Keep me coming please! My dream is too one day get weekly uploads from Baz 💜
Love your work my friend 🤙🏻🤘 would you please do a series on the American revolutionary war 🙏
why do i love these videos so much
those videos are just ruely impressive and should be shown in history classes
HT John where I live they don't teach Greek history
Leading from the front like Heinz Guderian is great, especially on a turning, deceptive flank-assault against the end of a static line, but he forgot to order that missiles not be discharged into the fleeing mass mixed-up with his personal guard...oops.... thanks for post
Really nice video. This videos on antiquity are my favorites!
Me at 3am: I should get that paper done at some point.
Me:
Awesome video,also it will be interesting to see a video about greek revolution against ottoman empire,they were a lot of battles between 100-120 greeks revolutionaries and 2000-5000 Ottomans,and the greeks won the battles.
I am from Athens and I live in Megalopolis
love this channel. great work. thank you!
Thanks for your effort bro enjoyed all your vids.
Thank you for the excellent video!
Interesting how much impact a few individuals and their untimely deaths can have on the course of events that follow afterwards.
surely this means we got videos of Phillip's campaigns coming upppppp!
That foreshadowing though....
Another great video!
Plus, 1 shot of your favourite drink everytime Dan says Eh-Paminondas :)))
Love this channel....I always look forward to the next upload.
To win the battle and lose your leader.
Must be crushing.
Great! Was missing you.
It is remarkable how two men alone transformed a neglected city/ state into a super power -- at least for some time.
Both Pelopidas and Epaminondas grew up under the guidance of a philosopher ( out of Pythagorean school) who left a south Italian greek city because of political turmoils.
( i forget the name of the philosopher -- i think was Lykos? )
@BazBattles Can you redo your original Rise of Macedon series, with new details, new animation, and more new things you have learned over the years?
One of my favorite channels on here. Surely pelopidas died from wounds sustained during battle instead of going full hulk on those damn phaerians.
Thus we learned today the importance of leading from the rear, but not so far in the rear that you can't influence your men or the outcome of the battle.
You guys should do the Battle of Vienna
You have never covered a battle in Egypt, soo...you should do?
Technically their crusader series was in Egyptian alquds
hyksos incursions.In middle school was taught this was the 1st record of armed martial conflict recorded.sure this is ehere baz should've started(easier said than produced)
Respect from Armenia❤🇬🇷
Good video,good work👍
I dont know if you will read this or not but your game of thrones episodes are really good and well explained. Maybe the war of 5 kings next? Just a thought thanks!
Why, though? It's literally in the show. Better for them to do one on The Dance of the Dragons or continue the Blackfyre Rebellions.
Looks like the Spartens took Thanos advice and went for the Head.