Black powder is completely inert when wet, however, once it gets dried out again, it will go off as if nothing had happened. Try this again with a thorough drying after the soak.
@@elvisammo primers are filled with wet mixture when processed but not with water but with accetone or denatured alcohol (I've made the mixture),,,so there is more than a strong possibility that once completely dry that it will be just fine again.
Most smokeless powders will do the same thing. The remaining original sample of Lafflin and Rand's "Unique" made in 1898 is stored in a glass jar of water. Every few years on the anniversary, they take some of it out, spread it on newspaper to dry, then load it into cartridges to test fire. It still goes bang!
I was very surprised myself after soaking them in water for 30 minutes. After the video I realized I left one in the water bucket he had been in there for about an hour and a half and it fired!!! 👍👍👍👍
When shooting blanks or just primers and a revolver, you actually have to modify the primer pocket-size. Because you don't have the pressures pushing back on the shell casing to reset the primer
Quite simple, indeed: Just as Kirk wisely commented: Allow water soaked primers in a vented / dry & safe location and they will go Bang. Water softens the 'priming compound' pellet to a point. When it dries out, it'll work. Some fellow reloader gave me over 1k flooded primers having been wet (actually, notoriously tarnished), so I took'em out of their wet boxes, put'em in a safe/ dry place, (Temp, about 75 degrees °F), with a simple fan for 48 hrs, cleaned some 20 units for test fire, (WITHOUT powder nor bullet. Just empty .38 Spl cases), an all of them went Bang. Then, I proceeded to handload some 200 rds AND chronographed these. Just as I expected, every single one worked, BUT SD & Exterme Spread (velocities), were at least 30% - 50% higher.
We are starting to get primers here in Ohio. But they only let you have 1 box of 100 pr person. They are about $10 pr box. My brother inlaw had some bandoliera of 30-06, in his car that was under salt water. They all shot in my m1. He lives at Top Sail NC. Thanks for the video.
On an old episode of Sea Hunt, someone shot at Lloyd Bridges underwater. He explained that, though the gun fired, the bullets didn't travel very far. Of course, water only touched the back of the cartridge and probably not for long. It was fun to watch the little trails the bullets made in water. Wonder if they mushroomed.
Elvis, I soaked a bunch of primers in motor oil for several years, cleaned them off with 409 then washed them down with soapy water. They still went bang...not very energetic (they were still wet) but they still went bang. Next I soaked then in laquer thinner for a few days...when they dried out they went bang. Short of hitting with a hammer, firing in a gun or burning them I have no idea how to deactivate them...they are remarkably robust. I don't trust them in a loaded round but they are still active
Ok, you covered the wet primers. Let me save you a few for the heat test that I know you want to do next. I bought about 30,000 primers back in the early 80s in a fire sale. The packages got hot enough to melt and warp the plastic. I had to dig every primer out of it's case. All fired in the following 20 years except I think 3. So yes primers that have been hot will send the bullet just fine.
unexpected results professor Elvis! I would be curious in a future video, if you soak some primers for 30 minutes. then let the water evaporate, and then see if you get 100% function? another great video from the king of reloading!
Primers always back out of the pocket when they ignite. Recoil resets them when the powder goes off. Since you had no powder charge or bullet to cause recoil the primer didn't get reseated, thus the difficulty in cylinder rotation.
Awesome video! Hey, just a thought for you for a future video is to inform us on what you prefer for a rifle setup wether it be a bolt or semi and also what you consider as “pin-point accuracy” or “practical accuracy” and your thoughts on when chasing pin-point accuracy maybe be unnecessary. Since, everyone has their opinions on gear and what the conceive as an accurate rifle, I would be very interested in hearing your opinion on this. Thanks!!!
Interesting. Now take the soaked primers and let them dry slowly or using a low heat assist. Sometimes rounds and primers can get temporarily submerged in plumbing leaks or a flood events. My guess is they'll work at close to 100% success rate.
I foolishly threw a hundred hand primed cases into the mix of empty cases in my wet tumbler Yep, I did that. After 1-2 hours of tumbling I realized my fail but saved them anyway. A week or two later I loaded them for experimentation. 10MM and Blue Dot and they suprizingly worked fine. I saved about 50 and plan on chrono'ing them against a regular batch to see if there was any depreciation in velocity. Will report back here after.
I got a 1k case of small rifle primers for 235 and felt pretty lucky to see any primers for sale! The real challenge has been finding powder for my 5.56 loads. Until I can I'm using Hodgdon Lever-Evolution. Interesting experiment, I dropped a Federal Hydra-Shok through my front porch decking about 6 or 8 months ago...and its been in snow ice rain ECT. I have looked for it but I want to see if it will still fire if I can find it
I had loaded bullets that was washed with empty brass and when I dried it using a heat gun in a box it went off. Scared the hell out of me but did not do any damage to a cardboard box. The primer had a strike on it. So, did the gun powder still go off after being wet when introduced to heat? Or did the primer go off too with the heat? Be interested if you can experiment with wet primer and wet powder if heated or if dried out.
Hey Elvis, good to see you man. Yes primers fired in an empty case will back out of the primer pocket usually enough to tie up the action of a revolver, if you don't enlarge the primer hole. If you just want to test primers I'd suggest using a semi auto, the primers will still back out but it doesn't tie up the action. If you want to go to the trouble of enlarging the holes be sure of marking such cases as they should not be used for normal reloading. I hope you did a good clean up, one when it drys out your going to have live priming compound and two it's a greater danger of poisoning. One question, have you had any time to work on reloading primers? Hope you have a great day. Thanks, David
Yeah I was being an idiot. I don’t know why I didn’t shoot them one at a time? Reloading the Primer‘s it’s a little bit of a task for the average reloader. And finding and purchasing the ingredients is a little bit of a mess in itself.Since I am already on a watchlist it doesn’t really matter to me. I should do a follow up video soon though and just explain.
@@elvisammo Don't feel to bad Elvis when I was first getting into reloading I did the same thing. I had to put a dowel down the barrel and tap the primer back into the pocket before I could get the action open. As for reloading primers, yeah it is a bit of a task. But I want to be able to do it from a self reliance stand point and the ammo companies have proven time and time again that they can't keep up if anything serious happens. As for the watch list, I figure we've all been on it at least since Obama took office, NRA, Promise Keepers, Wall Builders, heck anyone who's watched Sootch or Hickok45 or Paul Harrel. So we might as well have the know how and the ablity. Thanks in any case and you always brighten my day.
Interesting. I have about 100 38spcl cases primed and ready to load but sitting in a box for around 9 months - 1 year. Hoping they work. I will have to load a few and see
What if you get it wet, then dry it for a couple days in a dry area perhaps in a bag of rice or something like that. When they are wet the water is likely to cool off the primer charge and cause problems. However if you dry it before use, does it start to work again?
I always wondered.. I was given some primers that were over ten years old and just stored on a shelf and they all fired perfectly so far. Yesterday I accidentally washed some of my 9mm reloads in my washer.. can't wait to see if they fire. I wonder if you put them in a primer tray and shook them till they were fire side up and sprayed them with something like silicone or the like it they would resist water contamination.
You were complete 9 mm cartridges in the washing machine. No problem they should fire. That’s what I think at least. Let me know what happens with them?
Still makes me wonder why 100% of the time, when I load a tick into a case and don’t shoot it in the first 15 minutes. It doesn’t go off? Ticks must have something in them that kills primers?
I need to do a follow up video for sure! It’s a little in the woods for most reloaders. Easy enough to do though. Getting the materials will put you on the same watchlist that I have been on for a long time. Some folks won’t appreciate that. When the lookers see me they say oh that’s just a elvisammo at it again. But it might get a knock on the door from some folks. But I should do a follow up video and explain and put the information out there for anyone who wants to.
The process is a little wonky for some reloaders for sure! The materials will get you on a watchlist more than likely. But I have been on One for a while anyway... nevertheless I should post stay updated video on the process even if it’s just on the reloaders network ! Sorry for the delay it’s been kind of a crazy year at work and on RUclips!
@@elvisammo now test out your reloaded primers doing a water test. See if you can get half of them to fire. 😉. Haven't reloaded much these last couple months. Wife put me to work installing flooring and now a dishwasher. If I had hair I'd pull it out! I hate plumbing!!!
I have thousands and thousands of primers. I bought them right after President Trump took office. Ammo and components were dirt cheap. I am incredibly smart.
Sacrilege, you wasting primers in the days of no reloading supplies! Seriously it must be nice to have enough primers to do this test like this, but good stuff to know!
Black powder is completely inert when wet, however, once it gets dried out again, it will go off as if nothing had happened. Try this again with a thorough drying after the soak.
Yeah that’s the answer that I thought it would be.dry and fire!
@@elvisammo primers are filled with wet mixture when processed but not with water but with accetone or denatured alcohol (I've made the mixture),,,so there is more than a strong possibility that once completely dry that it will be just fine again.
Most smokeless powders will do the same thing. The remaining original sample of Lafflin and Rand's "Unique" made in 1898 is stored in a glass jar of water. Every few years on the anniversary, they take some of it out, spread it on newspaper to dry, then load it into cartridges to test fire. It still goes bang!
I have to admit, I didn't think any of them would fire. Pleasantly surprised. Interesting video 👍🇺🇸
I was very surprised myself after soaking them in water for 30 minutes. After the video I realized I left one in the water bucket he had been in there for about an hour and a half and it fired!!! 👍👍👍👍
Elvis sacrificed $50 worth of primers in the name of science. Thanks for the lesson and entertainment.
Only for you brother👍👍😎😎!
When shooting blanks or just primers and a revolver, you actually have to modify the primer pocket-size.
Because you don't have the pressures pushing back on the shell casing to reset the primer
Quite simple, indeed: Just as Kirk wisely commented: Allow water soaked primers in a vented / dry & safe location and they will go Bang. Water softens the 'priming compound' pellet to a point. When it dries out, it'll work. Some fellow reloader gave me over 1k flooded primers having been wet (actually, notoriously tarnished), so I took'em out of their wet boxes, put'em in a safe/ dry place, (Temp, about 75 degrees °F), with a simple fan for 48 hrs, cleaned some 20 units for test fire, (WITHOUT powder nor bullet. Just empty .38 Spl cases), an all of them went Bang. Then, I proceeded to handload some 200 rds AND chronographed these. Just as I expected, every single one worked, BUT SD & Exterme Spread (velocities), were at least 30% - 50% higher.
We are starting to get primers here in Ohio. But they only let you have 1 box of 100 pr person. They are about $10 pr box. My brother inlaw had some bandoliera of 30-06, in his car that was under salt water. They all shot in my m1. He lives at Top Sail NC. Thanks for the video.
Cool!!! It’s amazing what ammo can take
On an old episode of Sea Hunt, someone shot at Lloyd Bridges underwater. He explained that, though the gun fired, the bullets didn't travel very far. Of course, water only touched the back of the cartridge and probably not for long. It was fun to watch the little trails the bullets made in water. Wonder if they mushroomed.
I’d say probably
Elvis, I soaked a bunch of primers in motor oil for several years, cleaned them off with 409 then washed them down with soapy water. They still went bang...not very energetic (they were still wet) but they still went bang. Next I soaked then in laquer thinner for a few days...when they dried out they went bang. Short of hitting with a hammer, firing in a gun or burning them I have no idea how to deactivate them...they are remarkably robust. I don't trust them in a loaded round but they are still active
It’s really amazing. I wouldn’t trust them for self-defense. But sometimes I’m not sure why? Cool stuff
Ok, you covered the wet primers. Let me save you a few for the heat test that I know you want to do next. I bought about 30,000 primers back in the early 80s in a fire sale. The packages got hot enough to melt and warp the plastic. I had to dig every primer out of it's case. All fired in the following 20 years except I think 3. So yes primers that have been hot will send the bullet just fine.
Wow!!! Pretty cool stuff. Or hot
unexpected results professor Elvis! I would be curious in a future video, if you soak some primers for 30 minutes. then let the water evaporate, and then see if you get 100% function? another great video from the king of reloading!
Sounds like a winner👍👍👍👍😜😜😜🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸the king 🤪
Primers always back out of the pocket when they ignite. Recoil resets them when the powder goes off. Since you had no powder charge or bullet to cause recoil the primer didn't get reseated, thus the difficulty in cylinder rotation.
Yep I was being an idiot youtube will do that to you on the camera!!! 🤪🤨 I don’t know why I didn’t just fire them one at a time
I did the same thing. Tested some primers without shooting them
Pretty safe to say that water moisture humidity are no friends to ammo components. Here comes your thumbs up sir.
Awesome video! Hey, just a thought for you for a future video is to inform us on what you prefer for a rifle setup wether it be a bolt or semi and also what you consider as “pin-point accuracy” or “practical accuracy” and your thoughts on when chasing pin-point accuracy maybe be unnecessary. Since, everyone has their opinions on gear and what the conceive as an accurate rifle, I would be very interested in hearing your opinion on this. Thanks!!!
Those are some really awesome ideas.. that could be a meat and potato comfort video.. thanks for posting. 👍👍👍👍
Interesting. Now take the soaked primers and let them dry slowly or using a low heat assist. Sometimes rounds and primers can get temporarily submerged in plumbing leaks or a flood events. My guess is they'll work at close to 100% success rate.
My guess is you’re right. I did recover some stuff from my boating accident that works just fine!🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍🤪
I foolishly threw a hundred hand primed cases into the mix of empty cases in my wet tumbler Yep, I did that. After 1-2 hours of tumbling I realized my fail but saved them anyway. A week or two later I loaded them for experimentation. 10MM and Blue Dot and they suprizingly worked fine. I saved about 50 and plan on chrono'ing them against a regular batch to see if there was any depreciation in velocity. Will report back here after.
Yes for sure. I’d love to hear back on how they done!!! 👍👍👍
I got a 1k case of small rifle primers for 235 and felt pretty lucky to see any primers for sale! The real challenge has been finding powder for my 5.56 loads. Until I can I'm using Hodgdon Lever-Evolution. Interesting experiment, I dropped a Federal Hydra-Shok through my front porch decking about 6 or 8 months ago...and its been in snow ice rain ECT. I have looked for it but I want to see if it will still fire if I can find it
You payed almost a quarter PER primer?! Woah I guess the time of fully reloaded ammo for under .25 is a thing of the past.
Let me know if ya find it
@@rileyneufeld7001 thing of the past and thing of the future. if the world doesn't end, at least
@@johnsmith-sp6yl Yea if the Good Lord doesn't come back soon!
I had loaded bullets that was washed with empty brass and when I dried it using a heat gun in a box it went off. Scared the hell out of me but did not do any damage to a cardboard box. The primer had a strike on it. So, did the gun powder still go off after being wet when introduced to heat? Or did the primer go off too with the heat? Be interested if you can experiment with wet primer and wet powder if heated or if dried out.
Love your videos still can't find small pistol primers
Yeah. Sorry about soak in these in water and hitting them with hammers. Sooo hard to find! 😜🤣
Good to hear from you Big E
👍👍👍
Keep it up! Good job!
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Hey Elvis, good to see you man. Yes primers fired in an empty case will back out of the primer pocket usually enough to tie up the action of a revolver, if you don't enlarge the primer hole. If you just want to test primers I'd suggest using a semi auto, the primers will still back out but it doesn't tie up the action. If you want to go to the trouble of enlarging the holes be sure of marking such cases as they should not be used for normal reloading. I hope you did a good clean up, one when it drys out your going to have live priming compound and two it's a greater danger of poisoning. One question, have you had any time to work on reloading primers? Hope you have a great day. Thanks, David
Yeah I was being an idiot. I don’t know why I didn’t shoot them one at a time? Reloading the Primer‘s it’s a little bit of a task for the average reloader. And finding and purchasing the ingredients is a little bit of a mess in itself.Since I am already on a watchlist it doesn’t really matter to me. I should do a follow up video soon though and just explain.
@@elvisammo Don't feel to bad Elvis when I was first getting into reloading I did the same thing. I had to put a dowel down the barrel and tap the primer back into the pocket before I could get the action open. As for reloading primers, yeah it is a bit of a task. But I want to be able to do it from a self reliance stand point and the ammo companies have proven time and time again that they can't keep up if anything serious happens. As for the watch list, I figure we've all been on it at least since Obama took office, NRA, Promise Keepers, Wall Builders, heck anyone who's watched Sootch or Hickok45 or Paul Harrel. So we might as well have the know how and the ablity. Thanks in any case and you always brighten my day.
the lesson is also keep the primers bone dry in a store box. air humidity will also weakens primers
They are pretty tough for sure. But taking proper care is definitely the way to go👍👍👍
I want to know where you found small pistol primers . 😁
☠️ it’s a secret
Interesting. I have about 100 38spcl cases primed and ready to load but sitting in a box for around 9 months - 1 year. Hoping they work. I will have to load a few and see
I have no doubt they will. Even if they got wet they still might! 😁
@@elvisammo 👍
What if you get it wet, then dry it for a couple days in a dry area perhaps in a bag of rice or something like that. When they are wet the water is likely to cool off the primer charge and cause problems. However if you dry it before use, does it start to work again?
Perform the test and let us know
How do you get old primers to fire. Are they bad because of moisture? Can you dry them in a small oven?
Can a primer be dried back out and become usable? Does the water absorb the shock wave, or change the chemical compound?
I believe they would work again once dry. As many people has asked I should probably do a video on the subject.. 👍👍👍
I always wondered.. I was given some primers that were over ten years old and just stored on a shelf and they all fired perfectly so far.
Yesterday I accidentally washed some of my 9mm reloads in my washer.. can't wait to see if they fire.
I wonder if you put them in a primer tray and shook them till they were fire side up and sprayed them with something like silicone or the like it they would resist water contamination.
You were complete 9 mm cartridges in the washing machine. No problem they should fire. That’s what I think at least. Let me know what happens with them?
Any progress with the homemade primers?
If you Dried them would they still fire?
I knew someone would hit me with a question that I didn’t have an answer for!
How is your comment 19hrs old the video is only 4min. Old
@@echota23 I suspect he releases early on patreon and keeps the video private.
Still makes me wonder why 100% of the time, when I load a tick into a case and don’t shoot it in the first 15 minutes. It doesn’t go off? Ticks must have something in them that kills primers?
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Elvis... WHAT ABOUT THE REMANUFACTURED PRIMERS YOU SAID YOU WHERE WORKING ON.
I need to do a follow up video for sure! It’s a little in the woods for most reloaders. Easy enough to do though. Getting the materials will put you on the same watchlist that I have been on for a long time. Some folks won’t appreciate that. When the lookers see me they say oh that’s just a elvisammo at it again. But it might get a knock on the door from some folks. But I should do a follow up video and explain and put the information out there for anyone who wants to.
@@elvisammo I for one would love it. Maybe i can PM you.
I think you should have loaded one at a time and then opened the cylinder everytime.
That would have been very smart sorry that I was an idiot on the camera!!!!😜
What about drying them???
I should’ve thought ahead and done that but I would say that once it dries out it will be back to normal
What happened to your primer reloading?
The process is a little wonky for some reloaders for sure! The materials will get you on a watchlist more than likely. But I have been on One for a while anyway... nevertheless I should post stay updated video on the process even if it’s just on the reloaders network ! Sorry for the delay it’s been kind of a crazy year at work and on RUclips!
The anxiety that some just felt that don't have SPP just increased by 7 fold. 😂😂.
Hey bud!!!! 🤪😁 rub rub rub it in!! 👍👍
@@elvisammo now test out your reloaded primers doing a water test. See if you can get half of them to fire. 😉. Haven't reloaded much these last couple months. Wife put me to work installing flooring and now a dishwasher. If I had hair I'd pull it out! I hate plumbing!!!
Elvis, you might want to check out Brokeloader, he did a bunch of primer tests that were very enlightening. Mike
I’ll check it
@@elvisammo A lot of what if's .
When and if they dry out they could go off
Home made primers call for sealing powder with a paper disc and a drop of reduced shellac... for what ever that worth
Yeah! I think some seal better than others
Yep once sealed that way they are impervious to water for the most part,,,but I don't believe factory primers are sealed that way.
I should do a video on the subject....
@@elvisammo yes I been trying to help
With the primer shortage , it should be a crime doing anything with it than reloading 😂
What a man will do for an audience!!!🤣🤣
@@elvisammo love your videos , do whatever you like most , you can not satisfy everyone ...
How about soaking the primers for half an hour and then let them dry out for a couple of days, then try to set them off: inquiring minds want to know.
Use ammonia to soak the primer to deactivate..
I can’t give you the thumbs up until the end of the video
Those dud primers pooped on the vise . lol
After I turn the video off I had one more case that was in a coffee jar underwater for about an hour and a half and it went bang 😎💣
Oooooooooo, primers
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Homemade primers course, W. Marshall Thompson PhD Revision Date: June 28, 2019,
Oh yeah thanks a bunch! Sorry to say the foil stuff flaked off of those discs!!! The mailman must’ve been hard on them🤨🤨🤨
this video shows that if you use a primer sealer , all ofyour rounds wo0ulg probably still fire! if you have a decent seal with the bullet.
I will do a video on there pretty soon I hope. This stuff is pretty tough maybe will put it through the test!!👍
I have thousands and thousands of primers. I bought them right after President Trump took office. Ammo and components were dirt cheap. I am incredibly smart.
You da man!!!!! 💣👍👍👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 People should know by now the market is not always Rosie
Low pressure causes the primer to back out. Normal pressures will push the brass against the face and keep the primer inserted.
Yeah sorry I was being an idiot it on camera I should’ve fired them one at a time
There goes a hundred bucks
Ha ha ha indulgence baby!!! 😁👍👍
Sacrilege, you wasting primers in the days of no reloading supplies! Seriously it must be nice to have enough primers to do this test like this, but good stuff to know!
☠️👍💣 it was an indulgence!
Dude! You just wasted $20.00 worth of UNOBTANIUM!
😎
How many of you cringed lol. There went $40 worth of primers. Good stuff though thanks
👀💣😜👍👍👍only live once😎
Weird flex in 2021.
Amazing....primers are made of UNOBTANIUM and you are doing a water experiment !!!!!! You must have a lot so that you can waste some ....
😂😂👍👍
You have primers lol
😁 shhhhh....
I bet, pretty wet.