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They develop tools of terror. Also the germans back in WWII were successful to invent some of the most amazing machinary and blueprints for the most crazy of ideas, but they didnt invest in other fields like other countries do. Like Iran does right now - it doesn't invest a mere fraction in welfare, or agricultural needs. This is to be expected eventally from a country/regime that knows only to sow hatred and bellicose into its people and weakened countries surrounding them.
arent you totally minimizing irans need for a powerful military, as it is the only thing keeping "democracy" at bay there? if iran had invested in welfare and agriculture, like before British Patroleums coup in the 40s or 50s i think, then they would be another iraq or afghanistan. @@eladon19153
@@nothing-nuzHence the term, 'Without bias'. I think what he meant was, without going into the details...if we actually look into the engineering part only... it's a great piece of engineering done with a very low price tag. It's upto the user whether they use it to help humanity and destroy it but the engineering part still holds true.
Not if the cost disparity means you run out of defense before they run out of offense. In essence these drones are targeting anti-air defense in addition to targets on the ground.
One more thing worth to mention. Big concert lighting companies supply their equipment to the military to highlight drones at night. It's a WW2 style - searchlights and machine guns. And it works
@@kennethng8346 Iron Dome has a couple of problems: - it exists in a single instance - it is highly classified - it does not always cope with the protection of little Israel, and with the huge Ukraine, everything is worse - its price is greater than the budget of Ukraine for the next 200 years
@@1224chrisng $150,000 per shot. Also it might not be very good for Ukraine. They have been used for ballistic missiles which fly much much higher altitudes and the algorithm is different to anti cruise missiles which this is. The radar might not work and it only work from one direction afaik.
There is only one way going forward -- Use the Win-Win Cooperation principle to work with everyone, including your enemies. No one can afford to have enemies.
I want to point out the creativity of Iranians, which everyone misses out on. they created cheap asf weapons that can bypass or overwhelm complex multi-million dollar patriots (in Saudi Arabia) and s-300s (in Ukraine) and hit their objectives with relative success. It is really interesting to see that Iranians have successfully moved in the opposite direction in terms of the quality and quantity of military products compared to their western counterparts.
Western weapons are all about charging the customer extortionate amounts of money for weapons that are on par to much cheaper versions from other places. Unfortunately, when all the anti aircraft missiles are used up, the weapons manufacturers are happy since it means they can supply new replacements for billions of $, which in turn makes them alot of money. The only problem is the lag between expending all your munitions and getting replacements. If Hezbollah used this technique against Israel, combined with cheap rockets, Israel would be out of munitions in a couple of days, and be completely defenseless. It will probably happen in the near future.
Ukraine is not saving a single missile in this war. The problem is radar signiture. Surprisingly this drone is the most stealthy man made object right now. There was some analysis done. Despite being a propeler aircraft, radars are having problems picking it up.
Collateral damage. Flack guns causes a ton of shrapnel to fling all over the sky and rain down onto the drone targets the military is supposed to be protecting.
Don't think so. They showed themselves ineffective against military targets and were used to attack civilian infrastructure with fixed coordinates. I am not sure that US army were interested in such type of weapon.
@@vitaliydiachenko5947 they are cheap and cant be targeted by older SAMs deployed by Ukraine. And hitting fixed civilian infrastructure can be devastating as you see now with Ukraine energy network almost completely disabled. hitting fixed targets can sometimes be more damaging than mobile military targets
@@nazeem8680 I mean that attacking civilian targers is not a US army priority, that's why such drones were not developed. So I don't think that iran managed to get ahead.
At the time of night this weapon is very effective. Increase its altitude around 2 to 2.5 km so that it cant be reach by bullets. And indeed difficult to intercept by radar.
@@nos4me with the range of 2.5km and with an old radar inside cities (which is the worst place possible for this type of air defense) It would be as effective as mines on top of road for tanks which is easy to deny and the situation of Ukrainian electricity says alot about their air defense
Not just wars, but terrorist attacks as well. Russia is already using them against civilians, and Iran supplies terrorist groups. it's only a matter of time before a few land on a crowded marketplace or busy open street for the holidays.
I am no war expert nor any military background nor any deep knowledge of weaponry. But I have learned one thing. War is fought with 2 elements. Secular means and spirituality. A man needs to have rock solid resolve to go into battle against an enemy. Weapons help break a man's resolve. They become too dependent on them for victory. But there is another deeper meaning - much deeper. Those who feel the need for victory is the central goal of a war also help break a man's resolve. Because, if victories could be permanent then ancient empires will still be ruling us today. So, what is a victory? What is a loss? US won WW2 with use of WMDs or nuclear bombs, for example, but is in constant fear or pain or agony of China, Russia, Iran and others may pose a challenge to it's reign. Fearful can never enjoy victories nor they can be truly free. US victory is hollow. An already expired short lived victory. US won but at the cost of demonstrating human evil nature of creating total human annihilation type event! A true loss! You could check out Carl Sagan, a popular scientist, documentary on this subject on how science has created threats to humanity! True victory is understanding these basic truths of war and struggle of man. Those who master these will win even if they lose in a war! World will perceive that as a victory but heros who die defending an idea become heros by offering greatest sacrifice - their lives. How long will victors live? How long Earth will live? What is that victory or loss in scheme of things? This is Eternal truth! I would argue we should be convinced of these facts and then go into battle no matter how resourceful or not we are. There are such men the world knows as 'Taliban'. Because every man who seeks truth and true liberation is at heart, mind and soul a 'Taliban' - and not what news tell us to hear, see, and believe! In this are signs for those who reflect.
It's crazy just how accurate some of call of duty black ops 2's predictions for warfare in 2025 were. It was meant to be far out there, yet now we have kamikaze drones, cyberwarfare, etc.
US/NATO still bamboozled with Shahed 131 and 136... this is the first level, then there is the Shahed 191, Arash-2, Meraj-521, etc... Seems like Iran is ahead in the game of drones!
Hahahaha...the Gepard. A colossal hunk of junk even back in the mid 80s when I served as a Kraftfahrer (driver). Luckily they resigned us to a Leo 2 later on.
@@Dr.W.Krueger It's like fashion. Sometimes things go back into fashion. An gepard is really effective against a threat that did not exist when it was being developed.
I feel like the Medusa noise pollution sensors developed by Bruitparif could easily be repurposed to detect and track UAVs and low-flying aircraft. The UFO hunting cameras being developed by Sky360 might also be an economical sensor to deploy. They're small, comparatively cheap, and weather resistant, so setting them up broadly could be feasible. And then after the war, Ukraine will have tools to monitor their airspace and enforce environmental regulations.
Yep, and during any attack Russia will have a bunch of Gerum2 doing figure 8 racetrack flights on the way to, around and over the target areas, it'll be an utter sh*tshow..
@@Veldtian1 You realize those sensors can triangulate multiple vehicles simultaneously, right? They're designed to sit on lampposts and automate issuing fines to noisy vehicles. No reason you can't flip them upside down and calibrate them for aircraft of interest.
I know war is not fun. But I like how Warfare has change the lst 20 years. How big fights back in WW2 are nowerdays impossible cause of drones. How there is just a fight between UAV vs UAV because they are so effective. It will be intresting to see how diffrent countries devolp things against drone attacks or if they change morder warfare so far that no one in 20 to 50 years sit in a fighter jet or a tank anymore.
It is far from "just" a fight between UAVs. There have still been tens of thousands of military and civilian casualties in this war so far, and the killing shows no signs of ceasing anytime soon. Never forget that at the end of the day it is always individual humans who are suffering in warfare, no matter how "clinical" it seems on the surface.
I think SPAAs (Self Propelled Anti-Aircraft) would be a big help. Something like the German Gepard or American LAV-AD could move with the asset it's protecting and even actively react to the current need. It's cheep to use like the C-RAM but significantly more mobile. And I think the LAV-AD actually uses the same gun as the C-RAM.
I was hoping for a mention of the Rheinmetall Oerlikon Skyguard system. It shoots 35mm airburst ammunition against drones. I'm sure it would be effective against these Iranian drones
@@milespaxevanos-evans8955 it's purposely built to fit existing 35mm air defense cannons, and other legacy hardware. It can be used to engage targets at distances above 1km. It is certainly enough to be able to cover larger areas.
1. I've only seen one incident of Geran-2 (Shahed-136) interception until now, the very same in this and all other video clips: 0:46 2. I've never seen a swarm attack by Geran-2 (Shahed-136). 3. Glad to receive genuine data proving othervice. PS: January 2023, and still has not seen either a swarm attack by Geran-2 (Shahed-136) or another genuine example of an interception.
They should consider an updated app, that listens for the distinct audio characteristics of the shahed-136. Setup a few in known locations, work out the timing difference in audio arrival, calculate location based off the timing differences, do that over time to get a tracking solution. Use to target their defenses. Setup a perimeter of groups of three of these spaced a couple of kilometers apart, assuming that they are effective enough to detect at similar distances that people can hear them. Automated Shahed tracking solution for the cost of a few hundred cheap consumer phones.
Expensive and time consuming to develop the algorithm, and far too cheap and easy to counter in return. Changing the materials or the geometry or even measurements and number of the propellers would change the sound characteristics drastically. And if you have multiple different patterns of propellers, all running on the same platform of drone, then this entire method is completely undone. I like your thinking though.
I think Palmer Luckey is the only one on the right track to use a swarm of drones to attack a swarm of drones. Cheap tactics requires cheap gadgets to fend off.
It's cheaper to buy than to switch off production from small munitions or just military supplies in general. Russia has always had sanctions, they were never in a spot to produce freely. The same is to be said with most nations other than China or the US
Production is not high, so when using a lot you need help. All NATO wars everybody was supplying everybody, so it was only a matter of time before they will need more manufacturing capabilities
08:53 that dude created a VR headset that will cancel your existence irl if you die in a video game 😂 I watched a video about it a couple of hours ago on Hugo Talks channel so it’s quite the coincidence he’s popped up twice today for me
He didn't. It's false information, as while he designed a concept for a VR headset that kills you if you die ingame, it is only a concept, and was literally only created as an homage to SAO, which takes place in 2022.
Why it is so cheap: it uses bike engine, not aircraft-class engine. It has no communication or remote control capability. It just flies to the preset target without any ground control like missile. So simple so cheap and light. So it can carry heavier warhead with much more explosive power. Way cheaper and better than US switch blade drone which requires elaborate remote ground control.
If the bomb drones are flaying low above 2 km and slow up to 200 km/h it can be shoot by AA baterie with guns from 20 to 40 mm equiped with thermal sighting with few shoots of expirience AA crews that costs max 1/25 value of cheapest Iranian drones wich has been done in many cases by UA AA defence.
The crowdsourcing app is totally brilliant. I hope they get the autonomous drone interceptor drones. They should design their own drone intercepting drones that can be made easily at home with manual television guidance. A two-stage design powered by model rocket engines, where one motor launches a high-speed, airplane-like drone with a short-range nanny-cam TV transmitter and radio control. It just does a couple of turns looking for the target and glides back if nothing is seen. If it sees the target, the second rocket accelerates into the other drone, piloted by remote control. We had prototypes like this shooting down helicopters in the 1980's. Its short range, and you either have to know the drone is coming, or be there all the time waiting to launch when you hear the drone approach. The rocket makes it very fast.
Use the app; get targeted to play World of Tanks. Why do I get the feeling this app is a hoax? Easier to find everyone if everyone uses the same app all at the same time.
Crowdsourcing only work as long as cellular connection is alive. And a cellular tower sending out its radio waves is like a perfect homing beacon for a drone.
War is hell but i gotta respect the iranian that develop such cheap drones that can destroy multi million dollar systems, if only they could make the engine much quiter it would be devestating.
It seems like this would be the perfect situation to employ CRAM systems, things like General Dynamics' Phalanx, Rheinmetall's Mantis or Signaal's Goalkeeper CIWS
How about a CIWS like system that, instead of using radar, uses, well, microphones and a video camera, they seem to be the right way to zero in on a drone. Fire bird shot or some other shotgun shell and you have a cheap drone destroyer that won't rain bullets on the ground. Shell shot pellets are harmless by the time they hit the ground.
Stupid question : could it be possible to create arty guns that fire 40 mm big shotgun cartridges ? I mean, it you can hit a little bird at a hunt with this, that might work for a drone at a bigger scale ?
While small arm ammunition's is cheap, "bullets" that can shoot down drones are not cheap and still cost much more than the drone itself. C-RAM for example, fires 20mm HEIT-SD at 4500 round per minute, that's a whopping 75 rounds per second, one short burst and $100,000 is gone. Anti-aircraft guns use rounds equipped with a proximity fuse which is even more expensive. The second C-RAM fires, it's exposed, it will take out a few drones at first but quickly getting destroyed by more drones. Remember, drones only need to overcome 2km distance to take out an anti-air gun, even at a 50:1 kill ratio drone wins.
Economical sense of using a weapon is determined mostly by the damage the attacker would do otherwise, rather than the relative cost compared to the attacking device. The unbalance should, however, trigger development of cheaper, more targeted weapons to mitigate the thread.
They found Farsi writings belonging to the QC person at the factory, inside a part of the engine. Proves it was Iranian built. The best way to fight a drone, is with a drone. We've been doing that for at least a decade. You must have seen the drones that shoot a web at the target drone, which tangles in their props and causes them to crash.
I'm Iranian and we know damn well that we made these but politics just work differently. As for tangling them, they would then drop on civilians. Not a good idea. That's the reason asymmetrical warfare works!
@@garshasb I provided the example of a legal proof. Not heresy. There are other methods. One that forced the American spy drone to land and be captured by Iranians. An example of such electronic warfare, is to direct fake GPS signals via a handheld EM rifle and overwhelm the GPG receiver onboard with new fake coordinates. The drone has to be in the line of sight of the EM antenna. That's why they pick top of the hills as best places for radar and radio activity. Stinger missile MANPAD is the best defense against this drone @$200K a pop. It's not a problem throwing money at won't solve.
@@piconano Well then it would be considered Attrition Warfare. Remember the Iranian drone arsenal is much more versatile than that. The Saheds can work as a swarm to overwhelm the enemy defense system and the likes of Arash 2 are so fast and destructive that will definitely cause escalation which would result in more money spent. Of course these can be used in sequence where the Shaheds would get rid of the enemy defense and then the Arash 2s would strike(or any Russian/Iranian missile in that case if needed). To add to that, Iran has surveillance type drones like Mohaajer 6 which could be used as an observer unit and they actually have a higher altitude than most American surveillance drones(there are videos of them flying above the mentioned drones unnoticed) and there are other stealth-type surveillance drones that captured footage of the US carriers in the Persian Gulf back in 2016 and the footage was released in 2019 and they basically go unnoticed. When used in combination, the Mohaajer 6 can act as the optics for the surrounding Shaheds or other drones to guide them. Basically our military/security doctrines are based on asymmetrical warfare and we also practice this with our marine forces as well. The current publicized methods are designed to overwhelm the defense system and cause attrition through escalation while resulting in a relatively high success rate. Let's hope peace to the world!
GNSS receivers on-board UAVs can be particularly vulnerable to external sources of interference, be they intentional or not. In the sky, the signals from jammers can propagate over far longer distances than they would be able to on land.Drone jammers are designed to disrupt the communication between the drone and its controller. They do this by transmitting interfering radio signals, at bands usually used by drones. This radio frequency (RF) interference is at a power level high enough to “drown out” the signals transmitted by the operator and drone. There are technologies for these swarms but no one seems to care enough.
These operate essentially like V1 rockets during WW2. If we had WW2 type fighters (or unmanned equivallent) we could shoot them down with relative ease.
@@geediosman6415 They commited war crimes more than a century ago. So yea the people who committed the genocide are dead. So what should we do bring them back from their graves and then put them on trial?
Going to say it again because it needs to be said. Nets/chain-link fencing and soft / passive defences similar to WWI Barrage balloons would be quite effective.
tell that to the economics .. in a long term fight you don't want to go bunkrupt .. the Russian learned the lesson and stopped using expensive cruise missiles for everything
@@verdebusterAP ok then let's go counter a 20k$ drone shower for one year by 150k to 1million rocket a piece, and let's see if you have anything left to develop a can of soda by then!
@@NoobGamingXXX Right we can't engage that 20K drone carrying 60-100lbs warhead which is literally enough to shred any vehicle as well inflict major damage just because it costs too much no one ever said You either use what you have or lose major assets or take damage its that simple Like I said n a long term fight, you would have counter UAS capabilities developed by then
Well, they've developed the Iron Beam, using a laser. This will likely be effective for Israel, where it's rarely cloudy or foggy, and the attacker is launching from one tiny area (Gaza). These drones are programmable (can approach a target from any direction), and Russia could simply launch them when visibility's bad (which happens a lot in eastern Europe).
A lot of the transformers and other infrastructure targeted do not seem to be massive structures. Could a steel-cable canopy, or series of gapped vertical poles be erected around some of these power-grid components? Seems like a good way to combat an inexpensive $20,000 drone might be to expend it on a $300 flag pole
Maybe they should be firing photons instead of bullets? Military lasers/masers should be able to easily surpass the range of ballistic projectiles. The only thing you have to control for is Raman scattering and we've been able to do this with adaptive optics for a while now. Combine this long-range weaponry with a decent early-detection network and you should have a relatively cheap defense system that rebalances that asymmetrical warfare equation.
دوستان که دارین برای صلاحی که توانستیم در تحریم ها بسازیم درست چهل وپنج ساله اگر خود امریکا را یک سال در تحریم نگه دارند بخدا نمی تواند شلوارش را بالا بکشد این پهبادها روسها درست نتوانستن استفاده کنند اگر دست خودمان بود یکیش هم نمی توانستن بزنند .ولی صلاهای زیادی داریمکه در برابر موشکهای وگلوله های ارزانتر است موقع امدن داد میزنند .هر کس به ایران چپ نگاه کند با خاک یکسان میکنیم .
That wont be effective as the photon gun would have to be locked onto a drone for quite some time to heat its warhead, moreover a simple solution for the photon gun would be a heat protective layering on the drones which simply defies the purpose of the photon gun
I think the most cost-effective and safest way to combat loitering drones are explosive radio programmable ammo systems such as Bofors, Pasars... 40 mm rounds full of tungsten balls, they don't come down, won't hurt anyone on the ground and you use few bullets to bring down one drone. They are not so cheap systems, but they have other uses on the battleground, not only shooting down cheap stuff.
Rawlinson sound triangulation might also be an option to supplement the app. All you would need to do is to install sound samplers at fixed intervals. Until radar was invented this was the way that Britain was able to locate incoming German planes.
The future of drone warfare, I think, will be masses of small drones. This was our concern when I attended a US Army conference/course to this matter. If you were able to produce large numbers of small cheap drones and outfit them with a small fragmentation device you'd be able to hit all manner of targets quite easily. Using one of these drones, one could easily fly into a command post and kill/injure a number of officers. Swarms could be used to set upon enemy positions to fly into foxholes and bunkers before an attack. Etc etc. While we have decent defenses against larger "predator" style drones, it's very difficult to defend against the style of drone I'm describing without blocking out entire radio wavelengths across entire fronts, thereby also knocking out your own comms.
Why not install a CIWS system like phalanx or goalkeeper around important facilities ? Those things can shred hundreds of these kamikaze drones in a matter of seconds
I feel like the solution is going to be as cheap and as simple as these weapons are. Something like jamming the GPS signal or spoofing the signals. Or hell, what about the heat signature this thing obviously puts off since it's been said it's using a moped scooter motor. The funny solution for this I initially thought was shooting a huge spider web in front of these drones. Anyway... I'm sure a bunch of eggheads are in a room now brainstorming and creating prototypes of countering this device. Looking forward to that video Coverage lol
As an Iranian not supporting this war and from pure technical point of view west is outsmarted and even Russians. Thinking outside the box is the way to go
Jamming GPS wouldn't do much, the drones will have inertial guidance, all you need is an accelerometer and gyro package, no external signals needed. So jamming GPS will change a precision strike on military targets into a less precise strike that could hit a civilian one. You can make a simple inertial navigation system with an arduino for about $100 Shahed drones will almost certainly use GPS intermittently and primarily use INS until they reach their target. Since they fly low they could even have a WiFi chip and antenna to get location data from local WiFi.
@@h.y1855 I have to agree. It will be fairly quickly countered though. I'm glad it was used in this context and they should be easily countered in future conflicts. I'm sorry for the Ukrainians but hopefully we can get these critters countered soon.
@@h.y1855 Actually I brought that up with my wife. Talking about how much this would have been very odd to handle if the US was directly forced to have to deal with this rather than another country that they are helping. I'd definitely feel pride if my country made something like this.. Gotta admit, simple is always a good 'ol tactic (as explained, the javelin was a decent solution too considering costs). Goes well with the K.I.S.S. theory @David Davidson Yeah I saw another video about how the GPS works out if you do take it's accuracy away. Not so sure that would be great either for civilians. However I still feel it's gonna be simple. Oddly enough when I put in a comment, the YT algorithm always delivers me a video on the subject lol
The turkish TB2 drone shown , is not a suicide drone , at least according to wikipedia it is simmilar to the predetor in which it launches missiles at it's targets
This problem was already solved by the British in the World Wars. Balloons tethered to cables. Sometimes hundreds of them at different heights around one important place. It is cheap, passive and worked very well. The balloons can range in any size and would use hydrogen, this way an exploding balloons will bring attention. The other thing was netting. Disgarded fishing neys work very well and are easy to obtain.
Install the drone jammer pod on every tall structure, next to lightning rod will provide adequate shields against drones swarm attacks. Or creating aerial faraday cage effects above the perimeter also proven to be effective drone repellent. It's an electronic warfare 101
I think jamming may be the most effecitve singular solution. Combine that with barrage balloons, high-power and quad-mounter maxims. Then you have a layered defence that can be cost-effective.
On the table at 2:24 there is a propeller-mounted cooling fan from an IAI Harpy drone, not the similar-looking copy from Iran. Also, if these blew up an oil facility and burned in the lake of oil for some undetermined time before being fished out... How come they aren't leaving oily mess on the tablecloth, and the surfaces have dry soot on them? Oh. Also, those vertical stabilizers are not over/under design like the Iranian ones. These are clearly Harpys.
The “real” economic analysis of anti-drone defense is not whether the defensive weapon is more expensive than the drone, but rather whether the defensive weapon is more expensive than the damage the weapon is likely to cause. That’s why air defenses are typically located around “high value” targets.
There are two considerations: the industrial capacity needed for the drone countermeasure vs the drone and short term saturation of air defenses. The production of any long term solution need to scale up at least as quickly as the drones they are designed to protect against. That's the real reason why traditional SAMs just don't work against drones. Even a midsized industrial power like Pakistan or Indonesia could produce more 2-stroke engines than China could produce gyroscopes for missiles. There are relatively few cheap ground-based solutions, and they all need a radar or laser based fire control system to be highly effective. -12.7mm-20mm mine shells -20mm-40mm air burst shells -70mm-80mm SAL guided rockets -155mm RF CLOS glide bombs For large urban areas like Kyiv or Berlin, armed turboprops should be able to provide a faster kill chain than armed drones. Armed trainer jets will also help keep the cost of intercepts low for higher altitude attacks.
On the note of technological advances from war, I can see this situation expediting the use of anti-aircraft lasers. With the possibility of introducing new technologies with similar principles to deliver disruptive energy to a target.
I would also gently point out that it's not just a question of price per drone and per interceptor but also the capability of the country to afford them. For Ukraine the interceptors are free functionally speaking. But down the line the US and NATO bankroll them. The US budget is astronomically large and if Russia has purchased five hundred drones the US can afford to fire five hundred missiles in exchange.
It is not about the cost of the drone, it is about the cost of what the drone would hit. So it still is perfectly logical to shoot down cheap drones with expensive rockets if those drones would destroy important targets. The issue is that whoever is sending the drones, if they can figure out to produce them en masse will haemorrhage your resources. The solution then is to either make the response cheaper than the drone (cheap drones fly slowly and aren't especially stealthy -- do not require expensive rockets to shoot down) or to make it not viable for the opponent to produce masses of them (keep destroying their drone-producing factories) or respond by producing masses of your own drones even cheaper.
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there are no expensive to shot drones, because if they hit the targets the damage would be much more expensive!
Fact that most of the tank are not even real
Even though its real such as STB1(japan tech tree) in real life,it have gun horizontal and vertical stab
But in WoT
That system was gone
Without bias! Iranian engineers are WONDERFUL!
In spite of all sanctions on Iran, they managed to come up with such a wonderful piece of machine!!
Afterall , they are persians .
They develop tools of terror.
Also the germans back in WWII were successful to invent some of the most amazing machinary and blueprints for the most crazy of ideas, but they didnt invest in other fields like other countries do. Like Iran does right now - it doesn't invest a mere fraction in welfare, or agricultural needs.
This is to be expected eventally from a country/regime that knows only to sow hatred and bellicose into its people and weakened countries surrounding them.
@@eladon19153 may be because your stupid governments are always putting pressure on them so they have no choice only to defend themselves???????
arent you totally minimizing irans need for a powerful military, as it is the only thing keeping "democracy" at bay there? if iran had invested in welfare and agriculture, like before British Patroleums coup in the 40s or 50s i think, then they would be another iraq or afghanistan. @@eladon19153
@@nothing-nuzHence the term, 'Without bias'. I think what he meant was, without going into the details...if we actually look into the engineering part only... it's a great piece of engineering done with a very low price tag. It's upto the user whether they use it to help humanity and destroy it but the engineering part still holds true.
its not about how much do you spend to shoot it down, its about how much you save by making sure it doesnt reach the target
Of course, but there is a question of economic feasibility over time.
I get what you mean, but sometimes it isn't worth saving the target in the long run, Wich is the unfortunate truth of some situations.
Not if the cost disparity means you run out of defense before they run out of offense. In essence these drones are targeting anti-air defense in addition to targets on the ground.
@@KenMathis1 For Russia's part they mostly seems to target civilians.
And how much it costs to shoot it down. It's not a black or white situation like you described.
One more thing worth to mention. Big concert lighting companies supply their equipment to the military to highlight drones at night.
It's a WW2 style - searchlights and machine guns. And it works
I almost wonder if they are going to start sending up barrage balloons. Has anyone considered Israel's Iron Dome?
@@kennethng8346 Well that's the problem, Iron Dome type systems costs too much, they're shooting down $100 dumb rockets with $10000 anti-air systems
@@kennethng8346 Iron Dome has a couple of problems:
- it exists in a single instance
- it is highly classified
- it does not always cope with the protection of little Israel, and with the huge Ukraine, everything is worse
- its price is greater than the budget of Ukraine for the next 200 years
@@Propidium-Iodide Ukraine doesn't pay... it lives on charity
@@1224chrisng $150,000 per shot. Also it might not be very good for Ukraine. They have been used for ballistic missiles which fly much much higher altitudes and the algorithm is different to anti cruise missiles which this is. The radar might not work and it only work from one direction afaik.
Iran supplying drones to Russia: HOW DARE YOU!
US and entire west supplying everything including mercenaries to Ukraine: so brave! applaud!
There is only one way going forward -- Use the Win-Win Cooperation principle to work with everyone, including your enemies. No one can afford to have enemies.
Putting everything aside, the Iranians/Persians have always been geniuses. A resourceful people.
I want to point out the creativity of Iranians, which everyone misses out on. they created cheap asf weapons that can bypass or overwhelm complex multi-million dollar patriots (in Saudi Arabia) and s-300s (in Ukraine) and hit their objectives with relative success. It is really interesting to see that Iranians have successfully moved in the opposite direction in terms of the quality and quantity of military products compared to their western counterparts.
Western weapons are all about charging the customer extortionate amounts of money for weapons that are on par to much cheaper versions from other places.
Unfortunately, when all the anti aircraft missiles are used up, the weapons manufacturers are happy since it means they can supply new replacements for billions of $, which in turn makes them alot of money.
The only problem is the lag between expending all your munitions and getting replacements.
If Hezbollah used this technique against Israel, combined with cheap rockets, Israel would be out of munitions in a couple of days, and be completely defenseless.
It will probably happen in the near future.
Lmao would be fun to see countries finally move to ultra cheap warfare before we get bombed back to the stone age or something
Ukraine is not saving a single missile in this war. The problem is radar signiture. Surprisingly this drone is the most stealthy man made object right now. There was some analysis done. Despite being a propeler aircraft, radars are having problems picking it up.
Well, Iran got 7000 years of history. Israel got only 70. America approximately 250. Long live Iran.
@@muhammadhassankiyani8953 they didn't spend 7000 years building drones though
I feel like ww2 flack guns would do this well with their proximity fuses
C- ram has variable distance-set explosive rounds like flak - they are awesome but hella expensive.
@@dparks256 you mean AHEAD?
Would probably be a good choice in this situation - and also cost effective
Collateral damage. Flack guns causes a ton of shrapnel to fling all over the sky and rain down onto the drone targets the military is supposed to be protecting.
I thought flak was for higher altitude targets where the guns couldn't be accurate enough. Low flying drones might make it hard to acquire the target.
“But what does that have to do with Ukraine? Download world of tanks”
What a transition 😂
😬😅
@@NotWhatYouThink especially knowing that World of Tanks is made by Russian and Belarus company
Inserting a "War is a fun game!" advert in the middle of a technical report about a contemporary ongoing war is really f*cked up guys...
@@mr-plus 😒
@@mr-plusreal war is just a game for politician and establisment
Its breathtaking how iran managed to get so far ahead of the US in kamikaze drone technology
No they didn't. Its all lies and propaganda from Iran. Many of those shots in this video were toy scale models!!! Lmfao.
Don't think so. They showed themselves ineffective against military targets and were used to attack civilian infrastructure with fixed coordinates. I am not sure that US army were interested in such type of weapon.
@@vitaliydiachenko5947 they are cheap and cant be targeted by older SAMs deployed by Ukraine. And hitting fixed civilian infrastructure can be devastating as you see now with Ukraine energy network almost completely disabled. hitting fixed targets can sometimes be more damaging than mobile military targets
@@nazeem8680 I mean that attacking civilian targers is not a US army priority, that's why such drones were not developed. So I don't think that iran managed to get ahead.
@@vitaliydiachenko5947 actually they are ! they hitting civilian target for 20 years in iraq
At the time of night this weapon is very effective. Increase its altitude around 2 to 2.5 km so that it cant be reach by bullets. And indeed difficult to intercept by radar.
@timemachine194 are you high?
@@ghaithahmed1159 u must be high on pcp dude, the gepard is probably the best counter to the shahed
@@nos4me with the range of 2.5km and with an old radar inside cities (which is the worst place possible for this type of air defense)
It would be as effective as mines on top of road for tanks which is easy to deny
and the situation of Ukrainian electricity says alot about their air defense
Last year while doing my military service I was convinced and still are that these and more advanced drones can seriously change how wars are fought.
REALLY?
Not just wars, but terrorist attacks as well. Russia is already using them against civilians, and Iran supplies terrorist groups. it's only a matter of time before a few land on a crowded marketplace or busy open street for the holidays.
I am no war expert nor any military background nor any deep knowledge of weaponry. But I have learned one thing. War is fought with 2 elements. Secular means and spirituality. A man needs to have rock solid resolve to go into battle against an enemy. Weapons help break a man's resolve. They become too dependent on them for victory. But there is another deeper meaning - much deeper. Those who feel the need for victory is the central goal of a war also help break a man's resolve. Because, if victories could be permanent then ancient empires will still be ruling us today. So, what is a victory? What is a loss?
US won WW2 with use of WMDs or nuclear bombs, for example, but is in constant fear or pain or agony of China, Russia, Iran and others may pose a challenge to it's reign. Fearful can never enjoy victories nor they can be truly free. US victory is hollow. An already expired short lived victory. US won but at the cost of demonstrating human evil nature of creating total human annihilation type event! A true loss! You could check out Carl Sagan, a popular scientist, documentary on this subject on how science has created threats to humanity!
True victory is understanding these basic truths of war and struggle of man. Those who master these will win even if they lose in a war! World will perceive that as a victory but heros who die defending an idea become heros by offering greatest sacrifice - their lives. How long will victors live? How long Earth will live? What is that victory or loss in scheme of things? This is Eternal truth!
I would argue we should be convinced of these facts and then go into battle no matter how resourceful or not we are. There are such men the world knows as 'Taliban'. Because every man who seeks truth and true liberation is at heart, mind and soul a 'Taliban' - and not what news tell us to hear, see, and believe!
In this are signs for those who reflect.
It's crazy just how accurate some of call of duty black ops 2's predictions for warfare in 2025 were. It was meant to be far out there, yet now we have kamikaze drones, cyberwarfare, etc.
Pull up some vids of some AI controlled drone light shows.
US/NATO still bamboozled with Shahed 131 and 136... this is the first level, then there is the Shahed 191, Arash-2, Meraj-521, etc... Seems like Iran is ahead in the game of drones!
یه بوس بده
Looks like the Gepard is going to make a comeback
They have been successful sofar!
Hahahaha...the Gepard. A colossal hunk of junk even back in the mid 80s when I served as a Kraftfahrer (driver). Luckily they resigned us to a Leo 2 later on.
@@Dr.W.Krueger Rheinmetall is selling s new AA tank now.
@@Dr.W.Krueger It's like fashion. Sometimes things go back into fashion. An gepard is really effective against a threat that did not exist when it was being developed.
I feel like the Medusa noise pollution sensors developed by Bruitparif could easily be repurposed to detect and track UAVs and low-flying aircraft. The UFO hunting cameras being developed by Sky360 might also be an economical sensor to deploy.
They're small, comparatively cheap, and weather resistant, so setting them up broadly could be feasible. And then after the war, Ukraine will have tools to monitor their airspace and enforce environmental regulations.
Yep, and during any attack Russia will have a bunch of Gerum2 doing figure 8 racetrack flights on the way to, around and over the target areas, it'll be an utter sh*tshow..
@@Veldtian1 just another target to take out, no reason couldn't track and destroy the decoys as well. Prioritizing closer threats as required
@@Veldtian1 You realize those sensors can triangulate multiple vehicles simultaneously, right? They're designed to sit on lampposts and automate issuing fines to noisy vehicles.
No reason you can't flip them upside down and calibrate them for aircraft of interest.
I've never heard of those before! That's interesting. :)
a couple of Shaheds were destroyed near my location. Can attest: they are goddamn loud
how nice of them... they warn people from far away🤣
It's the Iranians to blame. They are attacking peaceful countries one by one.
@@oneManDev but the United States gets a pass got it
@@Skyhulk95 war crimes don't matter if you win ww2 proved this :D
@@Just_A_Random_Desk If that's true then it's perfect time to get rid of Iranian dictators for good this time. Saddam style lol 🤣🤣
I know war is not fun. But I like how Warfare has change the lst 20 years. How big fights back in WW2 are nowerdays impossible cause of drones. How there is just a fight between UAV vs UAV because they are so effective. It will be intresting to see how diffrent countries devolp things against drone attacks or if they change morder warfare so far that no one in 20 to 50 years sit in a fighter jet or a tank anymore.
Well... This is how skynet will born... Humans are doomed.
From WW2 gholiat land RC becoming flying RC
UAV exploding civilian infrastructure and homes. I don't think it's much better.
It is far from "just" a fight between UAVs. There have still been tens of thousands of military and civilian casualties in this war so far, and the killing shows no signs of ceasing anytime soon. Never forget that at the end of the day it is always individual humans who are suffering in warfare, no matter how "clinical" it seems on the surface.
Black ops 2 swarms
8:15 Please do remember, with the cram, only every 4th bullet is a tracer(meaning it is visible) so it is firing more then just what we can see here.
I think SPAAs (Self Propelled Anti-Aircraft) would be a big help. Something like the German Gepard or American LAV-AD could move with the asset it's protecting and even actively react to the current need. It's cheep to use like the C-RAM but significantly more mobile. And I think the LAV-AD actually uses the same gun as the C-RAM.
Blud thinks its war thunder
@@nykytadamore8438 jokes on you, Ukraine is actually doing this now.
its a joke chill@@MberEnder
@@nykytadamore8438 quite
I was hoping for a mention of the Rheinmetall Oerlikon Skyguard system. It shoots 35mm airburst ammunition against drones. I'm sure it would be effective against these Iranian drones
This too has a problem of range
@@milespaxevanos-evans8955 it's purposely built to fit existing 35mm air defense cannons, and other legacy hardware. It can be used to engage targets at distances above 1km.
It is certainly enough to be able to cover larger areas.
@@Argosh oh, it's certainly better, but this doesn't make it as good as guided projectiles.
Overpriced garbage.
@@milespaxevanos-evans8955 guided projectiles probably would cost more to shoot than the drone itself, probably
1. I've only seen one incident of Geran-2 (Shahed-136) interception until now, the very same in this and all other video clips: 0:46
2. I've never seen a swarm attack by Geran-2 (Shahed-136).
3. Glad to receive genuine data proving othervice.
PS: January 2023, and still has not seen either a swarm attack by Geran-2 (Shahed-136) or another genuine example of an interception.
They should consider an updated app, that listens for the distinct audio characteristics of the shahed-136. Setup a few in known locations, work out the timing difference in audio arrival, calculate location based off the timing differences, do that over time to get a tracking solution. Use to target their defenses.
Setup a perimeter of groups of three of these spaced a couple of kilometers apart, assuming that they are effective enough to detect at similar distances that people can hear them.
Automated Shahed tracking solution for the cost of a few hundred cheap consumer phones.
Easier said than done.
Expensive and time consuming to develop the algorithm, and far too cheap and easy to counter in return. Changing the materials or the geometry or even measurements and number of the propellers would change the sound characteristics drastically. And if you have multiple different patterns of propellers, all running on the same platform of drone, then this entire method is completely undone. I like your thinking though.
Iranians are learning to use silensers to make kamakazi drone muted.
That's hilarious, I guarantee the drone is compatible with both GPS and GLONASS. But it's now russian since they changed the setting :)
I guess it’s now a good time to crack out those Bofors and Orelikons that were sat in their warehouses for over 70 years
I think Palmer Luckey is the only one on the right track to use a swarm of drones to attack a swarm of drones. Cheap tactics requires cheap gadgets to fend off.
To be honest if I was a government I would buy those drones.
“Hostile Hunter Killer Drone Inbound!”
The one time Russia gets effective weapons that they can rely on, it is not made by them. That should tell you about the state of the Russian army.
It's cheaper to buy than to switch off production from small munitions or just military supplies in general. Russia has always had sanctions, they were never in a spot to produce freely. The same is to be said with most nations other than China or the US
Production is not high, so when using a lot you need help. All NATO wars everybody was supplying everybody, so it was only a matter of time before they will need more manufacturing capabilities
ah yes you surely dont get your information from western news tha are as trustworthy as the Russian news
Lol it’s a joke mate. Calm down.
Say hello to S-500, TOS-1, izdeliye305, calibers, Iskanders and others
08:53 that dude created a VR headset that will cancel your existence irl if you die in a video game 😂 I watched a video about it a couple of hours ago on Hugo Talks channel so it’s quite the coincidence he’s popped up twice today for me
He didn't. It's false information, as while he designed a concept for a VR headset that kills you if you die ingame, it is only a concept, and was literally only created as an homage to SAO, which takes place in 2022.
Why it is so cheap: it uses bike engine, not aircraft-class engine. It has no communication or remote control capability. It just flies to the preset target without any ground control like missile. So simple so cheap and light. So it can carry heavier warhead with much more explosive power. Way cheaper and better than US switch blade drone which requires elaborate remote ground control.
If the bomb drones are flaying low above 2 km and slow up to 200 km/h it can be shoot by AA baterie with guns from 20 to 40 mm equiped with thermal sighting with few shoots of expirience AA crews that costs max 1/25 value of cheapest Iranian drones wich has been done in many cases by UA AA defence.
The crowdsourcing app is totally brilliant. I hope they get the autonomous drone interceptor drones. They should design their own drone intercepting drones that can be made easily at home with manual television guidance. A two-stage design powered by model rocket engines, where one motor launches a high-speed, airplane-like drone with a short-range nanny-cam TV transmitter and radio control. It just does a couple of turns looking for the target and glides back if nothing is seen. If it sees the target, the second rocket accelerates into the other drone, piloted by remote control. We had prototypes like this shooting down helicopters in the 1980's. Its short range, and you either have to know the drone is coming, or be there all the time waiting to launch when you hear the drone approach. The rocket makes it very fast.
Use the app; get targeted to play World of Tanks. Why do I get the feeling this app is a hoax? Easier to find everyone if everyone uses the same app all at the same time.
Hoax or another psyop on the pile?
The crowdsourcing app is brilliant if you have a reliable wireless coverage and electricity.
Crowdsourcing only work as long as cellular connection is alive. And a cellular tower sending out its radio waves is like a perfect homing beacon for a drone.
@@Wordbird69 most definetely a psy op
Signal jamners or disruption towers could be good counters.
Shaheds have no connection to their headquarters, so you can't disrupt them .
War is hell but i gotta respect the iranian that develop such cheap drones that can destroy multi million dollar systems, if only they could make the engine much quiter it would be devestating.
It seems like this would be the perfect situation to employ CRAM systems, things like General Dynamics' Phalanx, Rheinmetall's Mantis or Signaal's Goalkeeper CIWS
Germany already had send flak tanks. I think those are in high demand right now.
@@HedgehogZone I'm not talking anti-aircraft systems I'm talking actual proper C-RAM systems.
@@richardmillhousenixon ☠️☠️☠️cost of operate c ram system
Gepards spend ammunition too fast and are unreliable.
How about a CIWS like system that, instead of using radar, uses, well, microphones and a video camera, they seem to be the right way to zero in on a drone. Fire bird shot or some other shotgun shell and you have a cheap drone destroyer that won't rain bullets on the ground. Shell shot pellets are harmless by the time they hit the ground.
Stupid question : could it be possible to create arty guns that fire 40 mm big shotgun cartridges ? I mean, it you can hit a little bird at a hunt with this, that might work for a drone at a bigger scale ?
Very limited range as shotguns are smoothbores
While small arm ammunition's is cheap, "bullets" that can shoot down drones are not cheap and still cost much more than the drone itself. C-RAM for example, fires 20mm HEIT-SD at 4500 round per minute, that's a whopping 75 rounds per second, one short burst and $100,000 is gone. Anti-aircraft guns use rounds equipped with a proximity fuse which is even more expensive.
The second C-RAM fires, it's exposed, it will take out a few drones at first but quickly getting destroyed by more drones. Remember, drones only need to overcome 2km distance to take out an anti-air gun, even at a 50:1 kill ratio drone wins.
Economical sense of using a weapon is determined mostly by the damage the attacker would do otherwise, rather than the relative cost compared to the attacking device. The unbalance should, however, trigger development of cheaper, more targeted weapons to mitigate the thread.
That will not serve the industrial complex in US.
They found Farsi writings belonging to the QC person at the factory, inside a part of the engine. Proves it was Iranian built.
The best way to fight a drone, is with a drone. We've been doing that for at least a decade.
You must have seen the drones that shoot a web at the target drone, which tangles in their props and causes them to crash.
I'm Iranian and we know damn well that we made these but politics just work differently. As for tangling them, they would then drop on civilians. Not a good idea. That's the reason asymmetrical warfare works!
@@garshasb I provided the example of a legal proof. Not heresy.
There are other methods. One that forced the American spy drone to land and be captured by Iranians.
An example of such electronic warfare, is to direct fake GPS signals via a handheld EM rifle and overwhelm the GPG receiver onboard with new fake coordinates.
The drone has to be in the line of sight of the EM antenna. That's why they pick top of the hills as best places for radar and radio activity.
Stinger missile MANPAD is the best defense against this drone @$200K a pop.
It's not a problem throwing money at won't solve.
@@piconano Well then it would be considered Attrition Warfare. Remember the Iranian drone arsenal is much more versatile than that. The Saheds can work as a swarm to overwhelm the enemy defense system and the likes of Arash 2 are so fast and destructive that will definitely cause escalation which would result in more money spent. Of course these can be used in sequence where the Shaheds would get rid of the enemy defense and then the Arash 2s would strike(or any Russian/Iranian missile in that case if needed). To add to that, Iran has surveillance type drones like Mohaajer 6 which could be used as an observer unit and they actually have a higher altitude than most American surveillance drones(there are videos of them flying above the mentioned drones unnoticed) and there are other stealth-type surveillance drones that captured footage of the US carriers in the Persian Gulf back in 2016 and the footage was released in 2019 and they basically go unnoticed. When used in combination, the Mohaajer 6 can act as the optics for the surrounding Shaheds or other drones to guide them. Basically our military/security doctrines are based on asymmetrical warfare and we also practice this with our marine forces as well. The current publicized methods are designed to overwhelm the defense system and cause attrition through escalation while resulting in a relatively high success rate. Let's hope peace to the world!
I wonder if this will lead to flak being redeployed as a countermeasure
Such a beautiful Iranian drone. India should buy some as soon as possible. 🇮🇳❤️🇮🇷
Then again this is why the german Oerlikon AA systems would be super useful
GNSS receivers on-board UAVs can be particularly vulnerable to external sources of interference, be they intentional or not. In the sky, the signals from jammers can propagate over far longer distances than they would be able to on land.Drone jammers are designed to disrupt the communication between the drone and its controller. They do this by transmitting interfering radio signals, at bands usually used by drones. This radio frequency (RF) interference is at a power level high enough to “drown out” the signals transmitted by the operator and drone.
There are technologies for these swarms but no one seems to care enough.
These operate essentially like V1 rockets during WW2. If we had WW2 type fighters (or unmanned equivallent) we could shoot them down with relative ease.
Rheinmetall Skyranger is designed precisely for this , with its AHEAD ammo its deadly for drones
Iran must be held accountable for all these attacks. It's the right time to overthrow their dictator.
ali khameini will stay lmao. focuse on others first like azerbaijan and all the war crimes they have commitef against armenians
When do we hold the US accountable for war crimes in the middle east? They invented drone warfare and drone war crimes
@@declaringpond2276 They didn't hurt a single civilian intentionally. Guys like Saddam, Soleimani, etc they deserved it.
@@geediosman6415 They commited war crimes more than a century ago. So yea the people who committed the genocide are dead. So what should we do bring them back from their graves and then put them on trial?
@@oneManDev what are you on about, we literally left like not even 2 years ago, and Yemen is still getting bombed by US weapons.
Going to say it again because it needs to be said. Nets/chain-link fencing and soft / passive defences similar to WWI Barrage balloons would be quite effective.
From what I've read, it's not ready yet but I'm pretty sure the long term counter to drone swarms will be laser defense systems.
Rheinmetall has effectively demonstrated a laser system. I doubt it's in production yet, but they have shot down a few drones for show.
electricity bill will go uppp
What goes up, must comes down. So if lots of ppl keep shooting the drones, some bullets may kill other civilians when the bullets travelling down. 🤔
Its not expensive when you are using the right weapon and saving assets and personnel from destruction
tell that to the economics .. in a long term fight you don't want to go bunkrupt .. the Russian learned the lesson and stopped using expensive cruise missiles for everything
@@NoobGamingXXX
In a long term fight, you would have counter UAS capabilities developed by then
@@verdebusterAP ok then let's go counter a 20k$ drone shower for one year by 150k to 1million rocket a piece, and let's see if you have anything left to develop a can of soda by then!
@@NoobGamingXXX
Right we can't engage that 20K drone carrying 60-100lbs warhead which is literally enough to shred any vehicle as well inflict major damage just because it costs too much no one ever said
You either use what you have or lose major assets or take damage
its that simple
Like I said
n a long term fight, you would have counter UAS capabilities developed by then
Israel's iron dome has the same problem. They're something like 100 million for a single set up.
Well, they've developed the Iron Beam, using a laser. This will likely be effective for Israel, where it's rarely cloudy or foggy, and the attacker is launching from one tiny area (Gaza). These drones are programmable (can approach a target from any direction), and Russia could simply launch them when visibility's bad (which happens a lot in eastern Europe).
Seeing the truck launcher fully loaded really brings the scale to the flying lawnmower.
As if Russian can develop these things while making Rd 180 rocket engines, what baffles me is that low tech is more difficult than high tech
A lot of the transformers and other infrastructure targeted do not seem to be massive structures. Could a steel-cable canopy, or series of gapped vertical poles be erected around some of these power-grid components?
Seems like a good way to combat an inexpensive $20,000 drone might be to expend it on a $300 flag pole
Maybe they should be firing photons instead of bullets? Military lasers/masers should be able to easily surpass the range of ballistic projectiles. The only thing you have to control for is Raman scattering and we've been able to do this with adaptive optics for a while now. Combine this long-range weaponry with a decent early-detection network and you should have a relatively cheap defense system that rebalances that asymmetrical warfare equation.
دوستان که دارین برای صلاحی که توانستیم در تحریم ها بسازیم درست چهل وپنج ساله اگر خود امریکا را یک سال در تحریم نگه دارند بخدا نمی تواند شلوارش را بالا بکشد این پهبادها روسها درست نتوانستن استفاده کنند اگر دست خودمان بود یکیش هم نمی توانستن بزنند .ولی صلاهای زیادی داریمکه در برابر موشکهای وگلوله های ارزانتر است موقع امدن داد میزنند .هر کس به ایران چپ نگاه کند با خاک یکسان میکنیم .
That wont be effective as the photon gun would have to be locked onto a drone for quite some time to heat its warhead, moreover a simple solution for the photon gun would be a heat protective layering on the drones which simply defies the purpose of the photon gun
1 round from the C-Ram costs $30 and shoots an average of 1k of rounds per salvo.
supposedly a single javelin atgm missile (just the missile) costs $175k, while one of these drones is estimated to be around $20-25k (as mentioned).
I can't see them costing that much. Appears to be off the shelf tech.
I think the most cost-effective and safest way to combat loitering drones are explosive radio programmable ammo systems such as Bofors, Pasars... 40 mm rounds full of tungsten balls, they don't come down, won't hurt anyone on the ground and you use few bullets to bring down one drone. They are not so cheap systems, but they have other uses on the battleground, not only shooting down cheap stuff.
I think the solution to this problem is signal jammers
eat your cereal
Looks like russia took a page out of japans book
Rawlinson sound triangulation might also be an option to supplement the app. All you would need to do is to install sound samplers at fixed intervals. Until radar was invented this was the way that Britain was able to locate incoming German planes.
Respect for Jake Sulilvan. I love how he handled situation with the Na'vi.
I think that the German Mantis System could be highly effective against a swarm of these drones. Especially in the Boxer Skyranger configuration
The German Gepard anti air craft tank has been very effective and cheap against those drones actually.
@@waylon6241
Gepards were junk, even back in the 80s when I served.
Those police men didn’t shot down that kamakazi drone. They failed to shot down & that drone managed to hit target.
The lesson from this is that centralization of anything makes you vunerable
Ukrainians using that app: hey I'm seeing a drone heading that way
Ukrainian air defense: ok cool, we won't shoot it down anyways
The future of drone warfare, I think, will be masses of small drones. This was our concern when I attended a US Army conference/course to this matter. If you were able to produce large numbers of small cheap drones and outfit them with a small fragmentation device you'd be able to hit all manner of targets quite easily. Using one of these drones, one could easily fly into a command post and kill/injure a number of officers. Swarms could be used to set upon enemy positions to fly into foxholes and bunkers before an attack. Etc etc. While we have decent defenses against larger "predator" style drones, it's very difficult to defend against the style of drone I'm describing without blocking out entire radio wavelengths across entire fronts, thereby also knocking out your own comms.
Why not install a CIWS system like phalanx or goalkeeper around important facilities ? Those things can shred hundreds of these kamikaze drones in a matter of seconds
I feel like the solution is going to be as cheap and as simple as these weapons are. Something like jamming the GPS signal or spoofing the signals.
Or hell, what about the heat signature this thing obviously puts off since it's been said it's using a moped scooter motor.
The funny solution for this I initially thought was shooting a huge spider web in front of these drones.
Anyway... I'm sure a bunch of eggheads are in a room now brainstorming and creating prototypes of countering this device. Looking forward to that video Coverage lol
As an Iranian not supporting this war and from pure technical point of view west is outsmarted and even Russians. Thinking outside the box is the way to go
Jamming GPS wouldn't do much, the drones will have inertial guidance, all you need is an accelerometer and gyro package, no external signals needed.
So jamming GPS will change a precision strike on military targets into a less precise strike that could hit a civilian one.
You can make a simple inertial navigation system with an arduino for about $100
Shahed drones will almost certainly use GPS intermittently and primarily use INS until they reach their target.
Since they fly low they could even have a WiFi chip and antenna to get location data from local WiFi.
@@h.y1855 I have to agree. It will be fairly quickly countered though. I'm glad it was used in this context and they should be easily countered in future conflicts. I'm sorry for the Ukrainians but hopefully we can get these critters countered soon.
@@h.y1855 Actually I brought that up with my wife. Talking about how much this would have been very odd to handle if the US was directly forced to have to deal with this rather than another country that they are helping.
I'd definitely feel pride if my country made something like this.. Gotta admit, simple is always a good 'ol tactic (as explained, the javelin was a decent solution too considering costs). Goes well with the K.I.S.S. theory
@David Davidson Yeah I saw another video about how the GPS works out if you do take it's accuracy away. Not so sure that would be great either for civilians. However I still feel it's gonna be simple. Oddly enough when I put in a comment, the YT algorithm always delivers me a video on the subject lol
Yeah and if they do come up with an idea, the only place where they can get large quantities manufactured at a low cost is China.
Very informativ video,thamsk for not putting bad music in it...
The turkish TB2 drone shown , is not a suicide drone , at least according to wikipedia it is simmilar to the predetor in which it launches missiles at it's targets
This problem was already solved by the British in the World Wars. Balloons tethered to cables. Sometimes hundreds of them at different heights around one important place. It is cheap, passive and worked very well. The balloons can range in any size and would use hydrogen, this way an exploding balloons will bring attention. The other thing was netting. Disgarded fishing neys work very well and are easy to obtain.
Install the drone jammer pod on every tall structure, next to lightning rod will provide adequate shields against drones swarm attacks. Or creating aerial faraday cage effects above the perimeter also proven to be effective drone repellent. It's an electronic warfare 101
u kno what to do than the Ukrainian generals 😂😂🤣
Wtf this is military use... Not use usual frequency likes normal drone
Solution: Crowdsourcing 🤡🤡🤡🤡
This video proves Ukraine will LOSE
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I think jamming may be the most effecitve singular solution.
Combine that with barrage balloons, high-power and quad-mounter maxims. Then you have a layered defence that can be cost-effective.
Oddly, I think they need something like a WW 2 P 51 Mustag. With advanced warning it could wipe out a huge swarm.
On the table at 2:24 there is a propeller-mounted cooling fan from an IAI Harpy drone, not the similar-looking copy from Iran. Also, if these blew up an oil facility and burned in the lake of oil for some undetermined time before being fished out... How come they aren't leaving oily mess on the tablecloth, and the surfaces have dry soot on them? Oh. Also, those vertical stabilizers are not over/under design like the Iranian ones. These are clearly Harpys.
That's awesome they built a app to crowdsource detection of enemy "materials"
Imagine 20k of these coming in. No way to win
that is a tiny gas motor that is dope
military needs to develop some sort of energy shield something like the Dune movie!
The “real” economic analysis of anti-drone defense is not whether the defensive weapon is more expensive than the drone, but rather whether the defensive weapon is more expensive than the damage the weapon is likely to cause. That’s why air defenses are typically located around “high value” targets.
Bofors 40mm with flak rounds: "And where did that brought you? Back to me."
There are two considerations: the industrial capacity needed for the drone countermeasure vs the drone and short term saturation of air defenses. The production of any long term solution need to scale up at least as quickly as the drones they are designed to protect against. That's the real reason why traditional SAMs just don't work against drones. Even a midsized industrial power like Pakistan or Indonesia could produce more 2-stroke engines than China could produce gyroscopes for missiles.
There are relatively few cheap ground-based solutions, and they all need a radar or laser based fire control system to be highly effective.
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For large urban areas like Kyiv or Berlin, armed turboprops should be able to provide a faster kill chain than armed drones. Armed trainer jets will also help keep the cost of intercepts low for higher altitude attacks.
If the app can detect it from the ground via acoustic then why couldn't an attack drone home in on the noise using the doppler effect.
It's not too expensive to shoot down because you save the money you'd spend on replacing or repairing whatever it hits
Intercept with strategic nukes.
100‰ effective.
Iran is playing the F around and find out game with American military. Ask Iraq and Afghanistan how that went. We kept the desert camo.
Afghans are doing pretty well rolling around on $7 bn worth of top-of-the-line US military equipment left there)
Good old fashioned AA Flak Canon can do the trick that has proximity sensor.
Sonar/ sound based sensor network sounds like the solution aganist such weapon.
US supplying weapons to countries all across the globe and facilitating modern warfare: 😄
Iran selling a drone model to Russia : 😠
... and this is why the Ukrainians love the Gepard. It shoots these things down without much cost.
On the note of technological advances from war, I can see this situation expediting the use of anti-aircraft lasers. With the possibility of introducing new technologies with similar principles to deliver disruptive energy to a target.
I would also gently point out that it's not just a question of price per drone and per interceptor but also the capability of the country to afford them.
For Ukraine the interceptors are free functionally speaking. But down the line the US and NATO bankroll them. The US budget is astronomically large and if Russia has purchased five hundred drones the US can afford to fire five hundred missiles in exchange.
YOOO WHO HAD MASSIVE NOSTALGIA FROM ACE COMABT 7 WITH THE DRONE TRUCKS!!!!!!
this channel deserves more subs than what they got now
Iran really went full Ace Combat path in this timeline
It is not about the cost of the drone, it is about the cost of what the drone would hit.
So it still is perfectly logical to shoot down cheap drones with expensive rockets if those drones would destroy important targets.
The issue is that whoever is sending the drones, if they can figure out to produce them en masse will haemorrhage your resources.
The solution then is to either make the response cheaper than the drone (cheap drones fly slowly and aren't especially stealthy -- do not require expensive rockets to shoot down) or to make it not viable for the opponent to produce masses of them (keep destroying their drone-producing factories) or respond by producing masses of your own drones even cheaper.
As my friend from high school decades ago C.B. call sign, Blazing Laser I'm a beam of light 😂😂 is the best way to take out drones