Effie Gray a Forbidden Love
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2023
- Effie Gray was a woman ahead of her time, defying societal expectations and breaking free from the constraints of her era. She is best known for her scandalous marriage to John Ruskin, a celebrated art critic, which ended in annulment due to alleged impotence on his part. However, it was Effie's subsequent love affair with painter John Everett Millais that truly captured the public's imagination. Despite facing intense scrutiny and criticism, Effie refused to back down and fought for her right to be with the man she loved. Her boldness and determination not only changed the course of her own life, but also paved the way for future generations of women to follow their hearts and dreams.
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Beautiful and yet sad story. Effie Grey had the bravery to move out of a loveless marriage in order to make a new and ultimately happy marriage. Thank you again, Jon!
Thanks as always Cassandra 😊
I wish the movie would have gone further than it did. Thank You for finishing her story. Elle Fanning resembled her so much too!
Thanks Janina much appreciated 😊
It’s Dakota 😋
Wow, another historical person with whom I was not familiar. Glad that she got a second chance at happiness.
Thanks as always Agnes 😊
She's the reason why my opinion of John Ruskin changed forever. Love the Pre-Raphaelites, by the way. Thanx again Jon!
Thanks Lisette always appreciated 😊
As if john Ruskin deserves the blame. There is enough evidence to prove that she married him due to financial problems lol
@@okenogamer In "Parrallel Lives" by Phyllis Rose, it's stated Effie's father lost money in railway shares only after they were engaged. Ruskin had known her since she was a child; I'm glad she found happiness with Millais.
@@lisetteeliseparis7070 im glad too but a more modern and nuanced study sheds new light on how john Ruskin was never repulsed by hus wife's physique based on their exchange.
This conjecture was made later on based on sparse evidences.
Ruskin was more or less coerced into this marriage due to their family ties and once it was revealed to him that effie married her due to necessity he refused to connsumate the marriage.
@@okenogamer I've always loved this quote of Ruskin's: 'Life without Industry is Guilt, and Industry without Art is Brutality.' (My Ma pointed it out to me). So would be very glad to read more positive things about him, because Ms. Rose's writings regarding John and Effie's marriage totally scandalized me.
A 5 year moratorium so that he could get his work done? Oh yes, there's a story there. Hmmm. I can think of a handful of scenarios to explain such a request, but most of them don't reflect well on him. There's a character in Room with a View who desires to have a perfect wife but doesn't have a clue what to do with one. He loses her in the end too.
Interesting tale, John.👍
Thanks Ray, much appreciated 😊
I loved the movie Effie Grey with Dakota Fanning. She played that role so beautifully.
I always admired her spirit and determination. Very well done presentation!❤
Thank you so much Suzanne 😊
Effie Gray is a beautiful woman! What was wrong with her in John Ruskin's eyes? I love Pre-Raphealite art but yeah I understand why John Everett Millais chose to go another direction. Thanks Jon! I look forward to the next historical figure on your channel.
Much appreciated Einez 😊
It wasn’t her.. he was the problem. So he turned his impotence anger back around on her. She was a superb beauty, and having 8 children , she couldn’t have been that disgusting!
@@kimberlypatton205 Never said she was the problem.
Wonder if Ruskin was a closeted homosexual
@Kimberly Patton Really, what guy marries a lovely 19 year old with the premise that they will wait 5 years to consumate so he can better concentrate on work?
Jon, taking a break from the royals; this was a FANTASTIC story! Thank you! You are one if my favorite Utubers!!!!!
Thanks Giselle, much appreciated 😊
What a fabulous video about a complex and fascinating woman. Much appreciated Jon! ✌
Thank you kindly Ann, glad you enjoyed it 😊
I had not heard of this lady and enjoyed your video very much thankyou
Thanks Wendy 😊
This was good. Where do you always take your ideas from? You always present us less known (at least unknown to me) personalities. Thank you and have a good week 🙏
I'm an historical spy Anita always looking for different characters! 😊
The Pre-Raphaelite painters made me think of someone you might want to consider for a future video: Elizabeth Siddal.
She's on the list! Thanks Angelia 😊
Truly eiffe was a very remarkable lady, she lived her life of passion and art on her own terms, thank you Jon I knew nothing of effie.
Thanks for watching Simon 😊
Never heard of her but she’s a very interesting lady. Thanks
There's a movie entitled 'Effie Gray' which tells the story. Ruskin appeared to be repulsed by the female body.
Great job with the video. 👍
Thank you Savage 😊
Love learning new stuff. Another great episode. Keep them coming.
Thanks Mary Ann have a great Easter 😊
Amazing video! As always! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks again Elle, much appreciated 😊
Most likely when they met we she was "much" younger but when they got older he most likely didn't find her attractive anymore when she became an adult 🤔
Think there's more to it than that Ketreena, thanks 😊
@@HistoryRoadshowWhat a moronic comment - Ruskin obviously had a thing for young girls
Great video. I have not heard of her before. She is a wonderful lady who makes me want to learn more about her. You always have wonderful videos that I love watching them.
Glad you enjoyed it Pulse, thanks for watching 😊
Hermosa historia y espectacular video.
Muchas gracias Susanna 😊
Thank you Jon! I recognize most but not all so where do you find them? FASCINATING!!😊
I just look up lots of info, always a surprise if you dig deep. Thanks Cheryl 😊
Thank you
You're welcome 😊
Another person I had never heard about. The paintings and the video are beautiful.
Glad you enjoyed it Liam, thank you 😊
Bellísima música!
Although the real reason for the breakdown of their marriage is irrelevant, I would say it was plain impotence; that ridiculous story of Ruskin being "disgusted" by Effie's physique sounds unbelievable and made-up by Ruskin to cover up his impotence.
Thank you very much for such a nice presentation. BTW, I like your pronunciation and accent, although I am not a Brit, I would say that there is something Scottish in it, am I right? Regards!
I'm English, born and bred in Yorkshire. Thanks 😊
@@HistoryRoadshow Thanks a lot! My wife, who is English (Kent) told me that you sounded from "up North" (a bit vague, wasn't it? 😂😂) But then she added, "there is something Scottish about his voice" and somehow that influenced me. There is a Londoner who has great YT channel dedicated to British accents and I am amazed by the variety of them.
people here seem to have a wrong perception on Ruskin. The claim about being a impotent is straight up baseless and has no veracity to it. The new scholarly study has provided a more nuanced take on this matter. Contrary to the story that he was appalled by her pubic hair was conjecture that he had never seen woman's pubes but there is evidence to discard this. According to one author after Ruskin discovered that her family had pressured her into this marriage because her father was on Verge of bankruptcy Ruskin was repulsed by this act of what he precived as a betrayal because he had married her out of love . And being a conservative Christian he argued the marriage that was arranged not out of love but primarily financial necessities wasn't going to work
@@templer987 Ruskin NEVER had a normal relationship with a woman; he was either impotent or a neurotic terrified by the idea of sex (like so many Victorians). He was a pervert who ask for the hand of a girl 29 years younger than him! Rose La Touche was 18 and Ruskin 47 when the latter made a formal marriage proposal in 1866.
Thank you for sharing a different prospective on why Ruskin wouldn’t consummate the marriage. Instead of being honest he chose to torture Effie instead. I feel Effie would have been open to an arrangement where she could sleep with someone else and have a child. A child would have brought her so much joy but Ruskin was too bitter to think outside the box.
Really enjoying the focus of women known in history.
Thanks D 😊
Watching the movie now…so sad
I watched the movie recently. Way to go Effie
I know it was hard for you then❤
Enjoying this series of videos on remarkable women.
I am also drawn too, and curious about, the (AI?) art.
Thanks for watching 😊
People seem to think that Ruskin was at fault but the truth is he and Effie were twp different personalities and he didn't work out.
I recall that name, as a school girl, but not the context given about her. Perhaps, in association with Millay. Thank you, Jon. I enjoyed it, though!😊
If you get the chance watch Desperate Romantics a BBC production. Thanks Beverly 😊
Failure to consumate a marriage is a legitimate ground for annulment, so no big scandal except to Victorians, Ruskin sounds cruel in her story, at least she got a trip to Venice out of the deal.😊
He had a very dark side to his life! Thanks SuS 😊
Very interesting of little known lady.
Thanks Melissa 😊
Ruskin sounds like an absolutely dreadful person..and Effie gray sounds like a decent lady and she looked absolutely beautiful in her portraits...wow Ruskin seems good grief...but he made his bed and lies in so as my mom would say..yet falling for jail of bait..eww tis sad and sigh..
and amazing woman amazing story..
I just discovered this channel and Definitely enjoy it..not sure if you do just UK history but I have some suggestions for stories you may like in the states..I suggest you look into Nancy ward the Pocahontas of TN and her cousin Dragging canoe very amazing Cherokee leaders and yet hardly taught about..both my kin on my old man's end..and if you like the history with old cinema.. there's a 1940s actress name Linda Darnell she's my mom's dad's second cousin anyway she's pretty fascinating and I bet your videos could do either of these peoples story's justice..but so far I really enjoy your videos.
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Thanks Kath 😊
Her first husband. Was 1. Not interested in sex. 2. Wasn't attracted to her, or 3. Had issues with sex.
Would love to see some American historical figures added!
Noted and maybe later this year! Thanks 😊
That is not the church where Effie Grey is buried it doesn't have a graveyard. There is a small very old church just off the Dundee Road in Perth that has a graveyard where Effie is buried in an area called Rodney Gardens. The house where she lived is still standing it at one time was an old folks home but i think it's maybe now flats im not quite sure . Like Effie Gray im a Perth girl too.
She's a real person? Never knew. I saw a movie about her.
He fell in love with Effie when she was 12. Later he in his 40's he fell in love with a 10 year old.
After being married to Ruskin for six years, she met and fell in love with another artist. She wrote to her brother asking him how she could become "unmarried" to Ruskin. And when he found out that his sister was still a virgin he told that was her "out". He cautioned her though not to mention her plans to her husband or in laws, because he had no doubt that Ruskin would rape her to keep her with him.
So after telling her husband and his parents that she was going to visit her family, she left. Her parents and brother arranged for her to examined by a reputable doctor who confirmed that Effie was a "Virgo Intacta".
And that's when her family
arranged for the marriage to be annulled. Of course Ruskin and his parents were outraged at being tricked and especially at the gossip that Ruskin was impotent. Ruskin tried to save face that the reason he didn't have sex with his wife was because there was something wrong with her body but nobody bought it. Fortunately the annulment went through and she was free. Ruskin was a pedophile. There was a girls school near where he lived (when he was old) and he was a frequent visitor there. Years later when the girls were grown (and he was dead) they revealed what he did to them when the head mistress and teachers left them alone with him. They said they never mentioned it earlier
because they knew no one would believe them. There was an artist Kate Greenaway who was a friend of his and she would ask his advice about her work. She wrote and illustrated many books, including Robert Browning's book "The Pied Piper of Hamlin". Her illustrations of children especially of young girls are beautiful. There is an illustrater's award that is given in her name, "The Kate Greenaway Award".
Well, Ruskin was quite taken with her beautiful and charming drawings.
And at first everything was fine, and he gave her good advice about how to make her illustrations better.
But then things took a turn.
In letters that he wrote, he asked if he could have drawings of her girl child models in their shifts (i.e. slips), then he asked if he could have drawings of them in their underclothes,
and then he asked for NUDE drawings of the young girls. You could almost hear the heavy breathing at the last request. But Miss Greenaway never did.
I can't help but wonder what she must have thought about it. 😐
Great movie made by Emma Thompson
What an interesting woman - I’m guessing the problem lay with with Ruskin, but who knows?
Yes, Ruskin was the problem. Like so many Brits of that time he was the by-product of strict (almost fanatical) religious education of the worst kind (puritanism). Like most Christian sects, they have a sick image of women as potentially evil creatures who use sex as a weapon. I am quite sure that Ruskin was influenced by this and couldn't bear to touch a woman. He NEVER had a decent, normal relationship with ANY woman.
The problem definitely lay with Ruskin! Thanks Elaine 😊
He's gay, Elaine.
@@ViolentAurora if that's true why he married her first place then falling again with his "little" student. I know many gay at that time married women just to keep the social facade. Maybe something was wrong with medically
@@AmiNa-nw5ld Girl lol gay people got married constantly because of social pressure 🤣🤣🤣
A tale of passion?? They were not intimate with each other, so there was obviously no passion, here. Why in the world did she marry this man if they were not going to be intimate??! 😂🤣
There was much more to this union besides intimacy. If you get the chance, watch a BBC drama called Desperate Romantics.
You didn’t watch the movie he was a misogynist who was disgusted by her woman body probably gay or pedo
Wow so she couldn't be around the Queen because she had her marriage annulled? As in, this marriage never happened in the eyes of God? And an unconsumated marriage no less. I guess God's eyes aren't good enough for Queen Victoria. That's so crazy
I see nothing that is “fascinating “ about this woman.
The story certainly is though! Thanks 😊
Her story with the painter is a beautiful love story. Real love stories are always fascinating.
This guy is 🚩🚩🚩🚩
Can't disagree Dawn, thanks 😊
5 years ! he was gay sorry.