this was my first lens ever, and as a beginner I didn't know how to use it properly. Now after shooting for a year and a half I have decided to purchase this lens again, and while watching this video I am jumping out of my seat at these shots and my good decision making in revisiting this old friend. It comes in tomorrow, cannot wait.
In the side by side photos, I did notice a difference. the Zeiss was sharper and warmer color (as you mentioned). I did like it much better than the Sony, but would I pay double? No way.
Both look like amazing lenses, but I can clearly see the Zeiss has greater color saturation and contrast and a slightly warmer rendering which I like. But besides that, they look so close in rendering that you could flip a coin and be very happy. Thanks for the review!
7:46 top to bottom the whole left side, the Batis gives more detailed and sharp image and also, the portraits shows that the Batis has more natural tone to the skin. Add to it the weather sealing and image stabilizer, it really makes up for double the price, because in certain conditions one might end up not being able to use the Sony lens at all due to weather condition or as you yourself mentioned: a bumpy ride. Theoretically there may not be a huge difference, but in real life it may be huge depending on the situation.
For my A7R3 I bought first the Sony. Sold it when I saw a great deal for second hand batis. Paid 150$ more, but got stabilization and weather resistance. And to my eye a bit of more lens contrast.
I have been using the Sony 85mm f/1.8 on both APSC and full frame Sony mirrorless cameras since it was introduced and I just love it. It is great for portraits on both crop and full frame and also makes a nice lightweight combination on a crop format camera with the Sigma 18-50mm f/1.8 lens. The 122.5 mm equivalent meshes quite well with the 27-75mm equivalent of the Sigma. I am not a great fan of UWA lenses and the Sigma fills my needs in that area while the 85mm is a decent mid range zoom on a crop format camera. I use the 85mm on the Sony A7iii and on the A6600 and I do not miss stabilization in that lens.
Guys, I love your videos and this one is no exception. I've got the 85mm f1.4 GM lens already, but this was great information. More than anything...I was thoroughly impressed by the images showcased in this video. Seriously some awesome work here! Bravo
Just went to the Banff Mountain Film Festival World Tour yesterday (in Costa Mesa, California), and saw the Camera Store sponsorship. Its awesome that you guys sponsor things like that, not to mention providing these fantastic videos and review, and for free no less! Keep up the great work, and keep the passion in what you do!
Helping with Banff Mountain Film Fest Adventure Filmmaking Workshop is always one of the highlights of my year! Glad you checked out the festival tour, there were some great films last year! Jordan @ TCSTV
Zeiss colors looked better in every comparison, still really close lenses. Tbh the more I look at current f1.8 85mm lenses the less f1.4 or above make sense to me
I see negligible difference between the Sony and the Zeiss. I think unless one is a brand lover, Sony 85 mm is perfect specially when the quality is similar.
one thing to note is the sony quality control. My personal nightmare with the FE 35 f/1.4 Zeiss and other complaints about sample variations of even their G-master lens have pushed me away from considering sony lenses. I am using mostly batis lenses and a sigma 35 now and their quality control has never let me down. Knocked my batis 85 a few times on hard surfaces, still sharp as new.
I've always wanted to own a Zeiss, there's this kudos with the brand. I'm also a realist. I have to pay bills. Just got my A7ii and the FE85mm f1.8 hit the shop the same day. I'm so glad that I'm not relinquishing iq with this. Great comparison.
I thought the Batis was a touch sharper, but unless you have the dollars I would go Sony. I did read at one point, as far as portrait photography is concerned the eye detect AF only works on Sony lenses, please correct me if I am wrong.
Had similar problem at grand palace. Only a 50mm on and aps-c .. at some point in the day you decide to just take in the view yourself and make a pledge to return someday in the future with a wide angle.
theizza68 When I show someone all the advantages of A7R2, they already switch, HA! But yes, more under $1000 lenses will certainly help. (And not super heavy)
The Focus Lock button made me choose for the Sony 1,8/85mm. Makes the difference in a lot of shots. Will add the new Sony 1,8/35mm to my collection asap for the same reason. What a wonderfull lightweight three lens set that will be, together with the Zeiss 1,8/55mm Sonnar.
Thanks for a great review. I am looking at the Sony 55 mm lens and you have helped me to decide that this is going to be my next lens for my ArR II. Love your very professional videos!
The Batis looks a bit sharper and the difference is clearly visible to my eyes viewing this compressed/processed video. No straining required, and the Batis has shown much better control of chromatic aberrations. Now is that amount of improvement and the addition of image stabilization worth the difference? Depends on your pocketbook, the Sony lens is a tempting alternative.
The focus point is different between the two lenses. Looks to me like the Sony is focused on her left eye (the one on the right) whereas the Zeiss is focused more on the nose or forehead. So it's hard to compare using those two images.
Would be nice if this video have these 2 as comparison.. feat. GM 85 1.4 too. I have the 85 GM and I love it. Nonetheless.. Thanks for sharing and have a good time in Thailand !
Another awesome review. Can you compare it (or both) with Nikon 85mm 1.8 G lens? I am really curious how (relatively) old Nikon G lens performs against new Sony-Zeiss.
That's a awesome comparison review. I'm wondering between the FE 85mm f1.8 and FE 90mm f2.8 macro, which one is better value? Does the 90mm shoot as great portrait images as the 85MM?
Do you need a macro? If you don't and you're serious about a portrait lens, it's hard to leave all that extra headroom and shallow DOF for a paltry 2.8. Yes 10 months late.
I find it strange that you will not occupy the f2.8 / f4 foals that are usually the sweet points of these lenses so that it reaches its maximum quality from the center to the corners and something
Hey Chris and Jordon, back in the days of film how did a photographer shoot an event like a hockey game or something, considering they only had 36 shots in a roll, did they have to time reloading their film during a lull in the action or did they have separate film bodies? I've been wondering about that since the last Nikon f4 video.
Yep, someone covering the Olympics would shoot rolls and rolls of film, give them to a delivery service who would deliver them to AP or whatever service they use for delivery to places like Sports Illustrated, and they would get developed and put into papers and magazines the same day sometimes. With a camera like the Nikon F5 it rewinds and reloads very quickly -- you can do the whole rewind/reload in about 7 seconds -- maybe faster if you are a ninja at it -- so you can just wait for a lull during sports, reload, and strategically shoot the important shots like starts, finishes, famous athletes, crashes, etc. You might even sacrifice a partial roll so that you have a full roll at the beginning of something important. You just learn to shoot in shorter bursts like bursts of 3 instead of 20 like with a D5, or be willing to waste a huge burst on a front page moment or huge bursts all around and reload like hell. I've seen guys on TV shoot a half a roll or sometimes a whole roll as basketball players come down the court toward them, then reload while the players go to the other side then shoot another half or full roll on the way back -- you never get back a Micheal Jordan playoff moment. And, yes, some shooters have a roll in a body with a tele lens and roll in a body with a wider lens for when the play gets close, or even a long tele and a slightly shorter tele, or an emergency backup in case they get caught at the end of a roll, etc. You just had to be prepared and know WTF you were doing.
Okay, I can go back all the way to 1972-76 when I worked as a photo editor at a U.S. sports magazine. We would get photos mailed from the Olympics and other major events at a speed that, for the time, seemed astonishingly quick. Obviously, Mark Shearman and Tony Duffy were sending film daily to their favorite labs that would develop and make prints - very beautifully, I might add - nothing beat Tri-X expertly developed in HC-110 for a dramatic sports mood. At any rate, those wonderful photos were indeed taken on (many) rolls of 36-exposure film, on motor-driven Nikon Fs.
I think he's alluding to the fact that the Batis is (for all intents and purposes) the e-mount version of the Tamron. We can also compare a Scion FRS (Toyota 86) to a Subura BRZ ;-)
Hey guys, big fan, anywho, what would you recommend? I do primarily weddings and portrait work but I’m torn. I like the 1.8 of this lens however I can cover more of a range with the new Sony 24-105 f/4. What would you do @thecamerastoretv ?
I’m going to buy the sony 85mm why buy the batis when save me half the price when performance iq is the same . Thanks for showing the video help me to choose the lens .
Timeline 7:03 I see the difference if you were to look closer and see the model forehead and around the forehead, it's a bit soft and less details and sharpness, on the Sony FE 85. But feel that there is a slight lost in contrast. Also Timeline 8:22 the same. FE is slightly soft at the forehead and lost of sharpness and details on the hair.
@@ThePandaPhotographer maybe because the model's head is slightly tilted back in the FE picture (look at her nose- slightly pointed more up). I can def see the color difference. Is it worth the price difference to you? I nobody's pro but surprised at the slight difference based on price.
I don't think there is a more likable duo for camera reviews than Chris and Jordan. I watch reviews for gear that I am not even interested in.
I agree. I love these guys.
Great video, particularly the parts with me in it.
I think it was between your portrait and elephant shot at 6:10 for best shot.
Gordon Laing .
Those parts were so good, I had to loosen my pants. Wait, what?
this was my first lens ever, and as a beginner I didn't know how to use it properly. Now after shooting for a year and a half I have decided to purchase this lens again, and while watching this video I am jumping out of my seat at these shots and my good decision making in revisiting this old friend. It comes in tomorrow, cannot wait.
In the side by side photos, I did notice a difference. the Zeiss was sharper and warmer color (as you mentioned). I did like it much better than the Sony, but would I pay double? No way.
Both look like amazing lenses, but I can clearly see the Zeiss has greater color saturation and contrast and a slightly warmer rendering which I like. But besides that, they look so close in rendering that you could flip a coin and be very happy. Thanks for the review!
7:46 top to bottom the whole left side, the Batis gives more detailed and sharp image and also, the portraits shows that the Batis has more natural tone to the skin. Add to it the weather sealing and image stabilizer, it really makes up for double the price, because in certain conditions one might end up not being able to use the Sony lens at all due to weather condition or as you yourself mentioned: a bumpy ride. Theoretically there may not be a huge difference, but in real life it may be huge depending on the situation.
For my A7R3 I bought first the Sony. Sold it when I saw a great deal for second hand batis. Paid 150$ more, but got stabilization and weather resistance. And to my eye a bit of more lens contrast.
V PR do you ever actually use the weather sealing though?
6:10 one of the best example shot on the Channel :D
SooGehts don't know what happened to Chris, but his photos on this episode are fantastic
National Geographic worthy image
I wanted to say the same!
thought the same exact thing
came lookin for this comment, was not disappointed
The color of the Batis is a lot better. Warmer I should say. and the contrast looks better to me.
Over a year later and yeah the Skin tones are more natural to my eye on the Batis. Also more Micro Contrast.
Just shoot raw and color correct in post.
@@beyondestination extra work & waste time..
I am a simple man...I see Chelsea, I hit Like!
I have been using the Sony 85mm f/1.8 on both APSC and full frame Sony mirrorless cameras since it was introduced and I just love it. It is great for portraits on both crop and full frame and also makes a nice lightweight combination on a crop format camera with the Sigma 18-50mm f/1.8 lens. The 122.5 mm equivalent meshes quite well with the 27-75mm equivalent of the Sigma. I am not a great fan of UWA lenses and the Sigma fills my needs in that area while the 85mm is a decent mid range zoom on a crop format camera. I use the 85mm on the Sony A7iii and on the A6600 and I do not miss stabilization in that lens.
Guys, I love your videos and this one is no exception. I've got the 85mm f1.4 GM lens already, but this was great information. More than anything...I was thoroughly impressed by the images showcased in this video. Seriously some awesome work here! Bravo
3:15 is that Chelsea????
Just went to the Banff Mountain Film Festival World Tour yesterday (in Costa Mesa, California), and saw the Camera Store sponsorship. Its awesome that you guys sponsor things like that, not to mention providing these fantastic videos and review, and for free no less! Keep up the great work, and keep the passion in what you do!
Helping with Banff Mountain Film Fest Adventure Filmmaking Workshop is always one of the highlights of my year! Glad you checked out the festival tour, there were some great films last year!
Jordan @ TCSTV
One of my favourite camera channels. Great work guys! Sony 85mm FE looks good for its price.
I'd rather save $600 since they look so similar
i was literally just looking for a comparison of these lenses and then u guys make one. wow. u guys are great thanks.
3:46 That's a great smile, glad it was caught on more than just a selfie.
I'm glad you come. Welcome to Thailand. Hope you enjoy here.
Zeiss colors looked better in every comparison, still really close lenses. Tbh the more I look at current f1.8 85mm lenses the less f1.4 or above make sense to me
I see negligible difference between the Sony and the Zeiss. I think unless one is a brand lover, Sony 85 mm is perfect specially when the quality is similar.
wow! a trip to Thailand one the most beautiful places to shoot in you guys weren't prepared. What a bummer. 😕
3:14 - Hi there Chelsea Northrup! 😂
6:14 aaaaand howdy to Tony Northup! 🤣
one thing to note is the sony quality control. My personal nightmare with the FE 35 f/1.4 Zeiss and other complaints about sample variations of even their G-master lens have pushed me away from considering sony lenses. I am using mostly batis lenses and a sigma 35 now and their quality control has never let me down. Knocked my batis 85 a few times on hard surfaces, still sharp as new.
i could listen to you talk about lenses all night long.
Hey guys thanks for the review and great meeting you on the Thailand trip. I know what lens i will be getting.
I've always wanted to own a Zeiss, there's this kudos with the brand. I'm also a realist. I have to pay bills. Just got my A7ii and the FE85mm f1.8 hit the shop the same day. I'm so glad that I'm not relinquishing iq with this. Great comparison.
Thanks for the review! Look at the shine on the eyes, the Batis is substantially sharper: 7:38
3.14minute from tony and chelsea channel?? Woow u found them
think so! shes lovely! ;-)
3:14 Chelsea
Big fan of your camera review, love to see you in my country.👍
I thought the Batis was a touch sharper, but unless you have the dollars I would go Sony. I did read at one point, as far as portrait photography is concerned the eye detect AF only works on Sony lenses, please correct me if I am wrong.
Had similar problem at grand palace. Only a 50mm on and aps-c .. at some point in the day you decide to just take in the view yourself and make a pledge to return someday in the future with a wide angle.
Batis is a fantastic lens. Love mine.
love it as well, it's a modern classic.
Do you still in Bangkok ? I'm a big fan from Thailand
Very cool you guys got to come out here. Love the video as always
2:71 is a classic :D , great work guys!
I wonder why I like your reviews so much even though I'm not looking for a camera/lens to replace my D7100 with 18-140mm 3.something - 5.6 ED
Welcome! Good to see you in Thailand!
Epic foreshadowing 6:36
Super pro video! Great comparison shots. In the real world the Sony 85 1.8 seems to be the way to go. Keep up the great tech reviews.
Still interesting in 2023🎉
6:16 that hair got be Tony
If sony keep producing these bargain lenses, more people will switch from canon and nikon to sony.
9:14 iso 10?
Oh I see, bitch.
don't go breaking bad on the guy.. :) jesse
theizza68 When I show someone all the advantages of A7R2, they already switch, HA! But yes, more under $1000 lenses will certainly help. (And not super heavy)
Good job! Going to get the FE after seeing your review.
More contrast in the Batis, as evidenced in the skin tones close up.
The Focus Lock button made me choose for the Sony 1,8/85mm. Makes the difference in a lot of shots. Will add the new Sony 1,8/35mm to my collection asap for the same reason. What a wonderfull lightweight three lens set that will be, together with the Zeiss 1,8/55mm Sonnar.
what if I can pick up a batis for 600? should i do it?
Welcome to Thailand! Hope you guys are liking it here. How long will you be here?
Chris, I am not sure. But, when you said "Muay Thai", your Thai accent was very good. It's like you know how to speak Thai.
Welcome to Bangkok! Didn't expect to see you here!
Did you take a peek at 4:48? I saw your eyes flow down then up and smirk!
Thanks for a great review. I am looking at the Sony 55 mm lens and you have helped me to decide that this is going to be my next lens for my ArR II. Love your very professional videos!
Quality review, looking at one of these to go with my new A6500 Sony to use on my RUclips channel ;)
Great review and great images. I love all the videos you guys make!
Damm!! My favorite camera was actually assembled in my country! Didn't know that before! Anyways hope you guys enjoyed Thailand!
awesome video , can you compare it to G master 85mm F1.4 ?
The Batis looks a bit sharper and the difference is clearly visible to my eyes viewing this compressed/processed video. No straining required, and the Batis has shown much better control of chromatic aberrations. Now is that amount of improvement and the addition of image stabilization worth the difference? Depends on your pocketbook, the Sony lens is a tempting alternative.
the sony 85mm is allegedly sharper.
I agree if you look at 8;24 the image near the forehead you can see more detail in and around the beauty mark
The focus point is different between the two lenses. Looks to me like the Sony is focused on her left eye (the one on the right) whereas the Zeiss is focused more on the nose or forehead. So it's hard to compare using those two images.
@Foto4Max Yes it IS sharper. Look at the hair on the top of the head and the eyebrows @ 7:03
The Zeiss is definitely sharper.
I just got zeiss batis 85mm 1.8 yesterday for 600$ in a pristine condition..
0:40 - It's 6 months away, and bigger than anything they have offered previously.
4:42 - Ouch, that's gotta hurt. 😹
Best YT channel about gear out there guys. Congrats :)
Would be nice if this video have these 2 as comparison.. feat. GM 85 1.4 too.
I have the 85 GM and I love it.
Nonetheless.. Thanks for sharing and have a good time in Thailand !
No mittens? Love your work. Great to see the setting change
Well, how about that, In my own back yard, I've been following your channel (from BKK) for years, Would have been super to meet you
How long are you guys going to be in Thailand? Would like to meet you guys there if you guys have some time next week.
Nice comparison... But I'm think of ordering the Sony FE 85mm F1.8.... P.S. what brand of camera is that you have in the video?
My copy is with the Courier! Will be here on Tuesday woo!! Going to do a little Q&A if anyone has any question about the lens not answered here?!
dude, u still in Bangkok, Thailand???
i'm your big fan, and i'm Thai :)
Wow look at that incredible DR at 1:18!! What camera was that?
GH5 in V-Log. The deepest shadows are a bit blue, I'd grade it differently now.
Jordan @ TCSTV
That temple is a good place to use a wide angle lens. An 85mm isn't such a great choice there.
So he said.
Thanks for the video!
Confused sometimes: You should have put the camera you used on the images stills, as you did with the speed, ISO, ....
This video was absolutely beautiful.
I wish Sony does something like 85 mm in the wide angle range. A Sony lens for 600 bucks of 16 mm or 18 mm would be gold.
Chris, are you still in Thailand? Anyway, have a good time overthere.
Great video with a nice pace to it! Thanks a lot!
Wow! You're in Thailand right now? Really wanna see you.
Another awesome review. Can you compare it (or both) with Nikon 85mm 1.8 G lens? I am really curious how (relatively) old Nikon G lens performs against new Sony-Zeiss.
That's a awesome comparison review. I'm wondering between the FE 85mm f1.8 and FE 90mm f2.8 macro, which one is better value? Does the 90mm shoot as great portrait images as the 85MM?
Do you need a macro? If you don't and you're serious about a portrait lens, it's hard to leave all that extra headroom and shallow DOF for a paltry 2.8. Yes 10 months late.
I find it strange that you will not occupy the f2.8 / f4 foals that are usually the sweet points of these lenses so that it reaches its maximum quality from the center to the corners and something
you speak the Thai name so clear. like muaythai and cholburi.
Hi TCS - SONY A99II REVIEW PLEASE
Welcome to Thailand bro!
Why not just stick a rode videomicro on top of the camera? No need for the whole XLR setup
are you guys going to do an a9 review?
When will you be doing a review of the SF-M or G Series UHS-II SD Memory Cards. What cards are you currently using?
What was the camera bag you were using at the beginning of the video?
Excellent review as always. Thank you guys
Hey Chris and Jordon, back in the days of film how did a photographer shoot an event like a hockey game or something, considering they only had 36 shots in a roll, did they have to time reloading their film during a lull in the action or did they have separate film bodies? I've been wondering about that since the last Nikon f4 video.
Yep, someone covering the Olympics would shoot rolls and rolls of film, give them to a delivery service who would deliver them to AP or whatever service they use for delivery to places like Sports Illustrated, and they would get developed and put into papers and magazines the same day sometimes. With a camera like the Nikon F5 it rewinds and reloads very quickly -- you can do the whole rewind/reload in about 7 seconds -- maybe faster if you are a ninja at it -- so you can just wait for a lull during sports, reload, and strategically shoot the important shots like starts, finishes, famous athletes, crashes, etc. You might even sacrifice a partial roll so that you have a full roll at the beginning of something important. You just learn to shoot in shorter bursts like bursts of 3 instead of 20 like with a D5, or be willing to waste a huge burst on a front page moment or huge bursts all around and reload like hell. I've seen guys on TV shoot a half a roll or sometimes a whole roll as basketball players come down the court toward them, then reload while the players go to the other side then shoot another half or full roll on the way back -- you never get back a Micheal Jordan playoff moment. And, yes, some shooters have a roll in a body with a tele lens and roll in a body with a wider lens for when the play gets close, or even a long tele and a slightly shorter tele, or an emergency backup in case they get caught at the end of a roll, etc. You just had to be prepared and know WTF you were doing.
Okay, I can go back all the way to 1972-76 when I worked as a photo editor at a U.S. sports magazine. We would get photos mailed from the Olympics and other major events at a speed that, for the time, seemed astonishingly quick. Obviously, Mark Shearman and Tony Duffy were sending film daily to their favorite labs that would develop and make prints - very beautifully, I might add - nothing beat Tri-X expertly developed in HC-110 for a dramatic sports mood. At any rate, those wonderful photos were indeed taken on (many) rolls of 36-exposure film, on motor-driven Nikon Fs.
Ben Welles multiple camera bodies
but are they better than Tamron 85mm F1.8 VC USD?
Not really germane, as Tamron does not make that for Sony e-mount.
I think he's alluding to the fact that the Batis is (for all intents and purposes) the e-mount version of the Tamron. We can also compare a Scion FRS (Toyota 86) to a Subura BRZ ;-)
I am a moron when it comes to cars, so that reference is way over my head. But the Batis and Tamron are different internal designs...external as well.
Hey guys, big fan, anywho, what would you recommend? I do primarily weddings and portrait work but I’m torn. I like the 1.8 of this lens however I can cover more of a range with the new Sony 24-105 f/4. What would you do @thecamerastoretv ?
Greetings from Thailand!
Will there be a factory tour/video?
Welcome to Thailand! I love your show. Big fan 💜 If you do a meet and greet, I'm sure lots of us would definitely go see you.
I’m going to buy the sony 85mm why buy the batis when save me half the price when performance iq is the same . Thanks for showing the video help me to choose the lens .
Timeline 7:03 I see the difference if you were to look closer and see the model forehead and around the forehead, it's a bit soft and less details and sharpness, on the Sony FE 85. But feel that there is a slight lost in contrast. Also Timeline 8:22 the same. FE is slightly soft at the forehead and lost of sharpness and details on the hair.
It's not out of focus, if you look closer you can see the eyes are in focus, as i said before a bit soft
@@ThePandaPhotographer maybe because the model's head is slightly tilted back in the FE picture (look at her nose- slightly pointed more up). I can def see the color difference. Is it worth the price difference to you? I nobody's pro but surprised at the slight difference based on price.
"Shot and edited by Jordan Drake
Shot on the Sony A6500"
...... but what kind of lens you used for the video 4:30 ?? Thanks!
What about the Sigma Art 85mm? How does this compare? Side note: i already own the sigma adapter for Sony.
What camera was this video recorded on? The dynamic range of the shot by the window was impressive
That was shot on the GH5. We also used a Sony A6500 & A7R II for some sequences.
Jordan @ TCSTV
TheCameraStoreTV When are you reviewing the GH5?
ยินดีต้อนรับ สู่ประเทศไทยครับ welcome to thailand
Awesome review! Thank you