I didn’t believe he went crazy until he killed the blind woman. He didn’t even pick back up the gold he payed her, he just did it to do it. I liked Dutch up until that moment. I feel like the failed robberies, greed, and Micah turned him crazy, but originally he was good.
Idk the lady on guarma was justified. She pulled a knife. I actually went back to try to get the gold back off of her. But it doesnt give you a loot option.
Hosea if he would live would side with Arthur and John and miss grimshaw the gang fell apart after Hosea died he was heart and soul 2nd in commander of the gang
I was expecting it. It was when he shot Cornwall that I knew that he definitely fucking lost it. That, and siding with Micah instead of the people he considered his family for years. And also John said that Dutch just sat there and let him get arrested before.
I saw it coming honestly but I thought when he was telling Arthur to look for files he was gonna shoot him in the back or something then tell everyone some bs
What got to me is when he sees Eagle Flies clearly wounded, about to die, and Dutch says "Everything is coming together, exactly as I planned." That was just cold hearted.
I felt bad for rain falls when eagle flies died, and i think dutch took over them indians from eagle flies due to there being indians as "dutchs men" in rdr1, that mustve been part of his 'plan'
@@ShadowFox11910 He was a brave, foolish young man who fell for Dutch's pretty words and charisma just like the rest of the gang and got lulled into doing something foolish. The Indian Wars are actually a pretty important part of American History and you can't have a good Western without at least mentioning them.
I remember when I didn’t wash for like a week and I went back to camp only for her to drag me by the ear to the wash bucket and then she took 6.50 from me
Hosea was the most intelligent member he was always the voice in Dutches ear which was a good thing but then after his death Micha took over and things went down hill from there
Also when they needed a boat so the robbed a bank but there was no money he then went to that train thingy and rode there but then it crashed after the crash he was dizzy then went full psycho, maybe thats why his plans where a failure since all of his plans includes risking someones life and violation
@-lmao now I’ll have a line through my name- Micah was a cucked coward at the start. He only dared taunt Arthur after he became terminally ill and finally managed to scrape up enough guts to fight him on his fucking deathbed.
What Bronte says to Dutch before he dies is ultimately true. In the end Dutch stood for nothing, he was just creating chaos out of spite, and when his time to die came there was no big finale. No final great speech, he died as nothing.
@@fighteraircraft4576 so what if it mattered to John, John would die and no one else will hear that final speech. In the end even his speech was nothing
That's exactly why they had to die. Cause then arthur would have stopped dutch and micah right there. If you have the steel book like I do, looking inside, you can see on the right is dutch and those who side with him and on the left. Arthur, and who I believe side with him.
@@komando5102 to be honest, hosea killed himself. He spent the whole game fighting dutch on every idea of his, and right when hes like "yeah let's go rob this big bank" that's when it finally bit him.
I think most would've stayed loyal all the way up until Dutch was gonna flat out leave Abigail behind. That would've been the final straw and they would've chose to ride out with Arthur in order to save her.
@@evolutionmax9791 exactly ... . I was mad pissed . When I had no choice to kill and lose honor . I even stopped and didn't shot but when Micah dies ( which he will if you don't help him ) you lose the damn mission . Dead end mission . Nothing to gain but a freaking rat 🐀 . But as Dutch said " he would do the same for you Arthur " 🤔🥴🥴🥴🤔😬😬
Micah makes alot of noise & fame as a psycho killer. He's a two time backstabber like Big Smoke in GTASA. No loyalty to the gang & no love for the gang cuz the way he said to Arthur, he doesn't care anyone but himself only. That happen when Lenny died shot in the head by the law & Micah didn't care about what happen.
Fun fact: He never actually had any plan, the voice actor of dutch said that Dutch made up the whole Tahiti plan so the gang would have an objective and not lose morale
@@paulallen2680 probably dutch was the kind of person that hated change he saw that the wild west was slowly being tamed and, he tried to fight against that change and take everyone and everything down with him, im guessing that during rdr 1 he finally realized that the days of gunslingers was over and he decided that he couldn't live in a world that didn't want outlaws anymore
@@djdocdragon428 yep, if everyone just made their own mango farms on tahiti, there would be no reason to worship Dutch like a messiah anymore, become independent. It's why I think he waa doomed before Hosea death, trolley incident, Micah, etc. All of those just sped up the process
@@paulallen2680To fight an unwinnable war against progress, Dutch was an Anarchist, he wanted a land of no laws and no governments, like how the world was when he was a kid and just starting out as an outlaw, he wanted the whole world to be the wild west
Well, they are both gangs that are full of outlaws that are on the run from the law while making camps at many locations and every gang lives similar to that. So I’m not sure if that really means that he knew something was wrong with Dutch but I wouldn’t be surprised if they had Kieran say that to hint at Dutch’s nature.
@DeadlyNeedle ! No, Kieran is right. People are just people. The Van der Linde gang is no better than the O'driscolls. In fact, based on what we see them do in the game, they are worse. We come to care about the gang because they are the protagonists, but if you flipped it around you could see it the other way too.
@@JJ-hq3fl Both end up alive though right? I mean they both die in RDR1 well all of them do but Micah and Dutch had around the equal amount of chance to either die or live at that point and same as Marston but idk how he lived though tbh being shot like he was idk how he would have made it but he did
Because was a man who was being tested so his true self came out. Not the man he put on for everyone else, but a prideful man who would rather have those close to him die than admit that he is wrong.
That moment when they're talking of abandoning Abigail is one of my favorites in the game. Arthur has nothing to say but, "Dutch," in desperation. He can't verbalize it, but he's begging Dutch not to make him turn on the gang. Arthur's own abandonment was forgiven. So was John's. This was the final straw.
After all Micah was the one who told dutch they don’t need abigail in my opinion i think he said that because of how many time he got rejected from abigail when he said he wants to take her out and have you know with her so when he heard she was in trouble he became an asshole and said that they don’t need her which surprised me of how micah easily manipulated dutch there i was legitimately not thinking he would let Abigail just die
"Its just a girl Dutch" "Micah is right, It is just a girl Authur" *processes to overwrite what Arthur should've have said* "So is Annabel? Huh! What about her so she just a girl to you?!!" *angry Dutch*
@Ryo Asuka To be fair, that's precisely what Colm O'Driscoll wanted the gang to do, at which point, they'd all get turned in. Still kind of a shitty risk but in that case I can understand the decision there. Besides, Dutch was still for the most part in control of his mental faculties due to Hosea's influence. I started losing faith in Dutch during the Guarma section, and the breaking point for me was the reaction to saving John.
That binocular shot was insane if you think about it lol. Also Dutch left Arthur another time when the ship was sinking. So he left Arthur to die at least three times.
the first one is honestly my favorite thing from Dutch. It shows how much he really cares for Jack and how he still has some hope for the camp. Rather than being manipulated by Micah. You can slowly see him change through the scenes. From hunting a woman down for a boy to killing a old lady to drowning a man to betraying his best friend and most valuable asset.
I don’t think he acted in a dishonourable way in the Braithwaite manor, i think he and all of the other gang members were just really worried and angry about how Jack was taken, so they took they anger out on the people that kidnapped someone they all care so much about, It just shows me Dutch’s honest love and care for John and his Son, something he lost at the game went on.
@@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE Well it was actually a lot more than just that. He also had ongoing resentment for Southern people over slavery and his own dad being killed in the Civil War. Jack was just his way to justify himself. Admittedly, it was quite so. Just not for the reasons in the back of his mind.
Killing the old lady was justifiable. She accepted payment, then tried to squeeze more out of Dutch. Then when Dutch didn't pay up she pulled a knife on him. Old lady got what she deserved tbh.
Honestly we all should appoint the fact that in a different universe Micah shoots Dutch and the gang kills him. Forcing Arthur the new leader of the gang and he makes sure everybody leaves the gang and start a new life and he dies of TB happily
Technically Arthur betrayed the gang. But it was very well justified. Even then he didn't go crazy and he wasn't evil. The thing is after Hosea died Dutch was in a vulnerable state. Micha saw it before Arthur and pounced first. I think all the time he sat in his tent he was thinking and his conscience was eating at him.
@@kira2650 it’s more like the gang betrayed Dutch. The only people who were with Dutch in the end were Mica, his 2 friends, Bill, and Javier. But even Javier left Dutch soon after. Basically the entire gang realized Dutch was insane except for Bill. And that’s because Bill was a moron.
@@arthurmorgan1007 Thats the sad part about Dutch, it never was about the Money for him. Even in the Epilogue, he just left John with all that money and gold. He was selfish for his own Ego and not necessarily for greed.
It’s good foreshadowing. The way they stand side by side, glance at each other and then stare in the water. They are beginning to realise Dutch perhaps isn’t the man they thought he was.
@@michaelramirez2545 yeah but thats a bit more understandable, they kidnapped John's kid and the whole Braithwaite and Gray war led to Sean being killed and a lot of other messiness in that situation
Dutch practically abandons Aruthur and John, they were some of the first members and practically his kids, then when people started to die especially after Hosea Is when Micah started to cloud his mind.
@@gfde7421 he’s a psychopath. Not the stereotypical “killer” but a cold hearted, manipulative, zero remorse, little to no emotion person and if he did show emotion it was fake
@@mountainman8785 What are you talkin about Dutch definitely had a choice it was not a him or her situation as he was able to easily overpower her and she was no threat whatsoever once she dropped the knife and yet Dutch Still killed her.
@@mountainman8785 Yes she threatened to kill him but it's not like she could as again she was easily overpowered and once she droped the knife she was no threat whatsoever so again not exactly a him or her situation if it was a man around Dutch's age that would have been a different story but a feebled old lady any guy who is in decent shape would would have been able to do the exact same thing much less a highly wanted Outlaw with lots of combat experience.
But we kind of saw it the other way around with Arthur. He started off as an anti-hero only loyal to the gang and ended up the hero. One of the only heroes you'll play as in Rockstar games.
ASAP Hayez speaking facts, everyone act like Dutch a hero and forgets about the fact she was minding her own business fueding with another family before Dutch decided to "intervene"
@@jyavgn4154 that all well and good but the fact that they took kidnapped a KID who has nothing to do with it you see why ppl see why ppl its on Dutch side
Honestly I was kind of annoyed that Arthur even agreed to do that last train robbery mission with Dutch, since by then Dutch had already left him for dead in the oil office. Like, you have the option of declining to help Sadie, but not Dutch?
well that is arthurs whole character a man who is blinded by loyalty too much and as mary describes he is fighting a huge monster inside of himself but loses every time because he is so loyal.
Loyalty is an amazing quality more people should have. But I agree, Arthur lacked any discernment concerning himself and anyone he cared about. He had too much faith in the wrong object. He should have run away with Mary. At least then he would have more time to give meaningfully. Then again, the rest of the gang, especially John, needed him there. Arthur was right all along in the end. He redeemed his final days ultimately. And his legacy was not forgotten nor did it bring disgrace.
I guess he figured he could get some money for the others if he went along for the robbery. And in a way it did work out, as he gave the money he took from the train to Tilly.
Dutch has a way with words and plus he raised arthur and arthur is blinded by Dutchs ideas... he still thinks he can help dutch or maybe he doubted what he saw
Hosea was really the wisdom of the gang and the moral compass of Dutch and what kept him in the safe. Once he died, Dutch's moral compass got replaced with Micah...
@@cognotouchpasmonble4527 you can find out when he truly changes is after his brain/head injury after the robbery in saint Denis, when the tram crashes
Micah joined the gang and their luck turned sour by chance. Then, as their luck continued to rot, Micah put the nail in the coffin by turning informant for the law. Micah also sewed seeds of doubt in Dutch and fed into his maniacal tendencies that had been kept at bay by Hosea and fanned at by Arthur. Dutch began to care less about the weaker gang members and even those who were strong if they were in disadvantageous spots. Micah is the ultimate bad guy in this story, but the gang's unwavering loyalty to Dutch cost them everything. They treated Dutch like a demigod when really he was declining into a madman.
I feel it was Dutch’s “plan” to kill John, or leave him for dead. He didn’t save him nearly as soon as he should’ve from the prison, he actual,y didn’t save em, Arthur and Sadie did. And then left him to die again later!
2:09 This This line sums up the whole plot of Dutch’s change. During the first keiren mission John says that Dutch is far different from the o’drisscols (sorry for bad spelling) because all the o’drisscols try to do is survive. From gruarma onDutch only wants to survive, making him no better than the o’drisscols, leading to the downfall of the gang...
I remember he also talked about Colm letting anyone who can shoot and ride into the gang because all he cared about was numbers. Later on Dutch lets Micah bring in Cleet and Joe no questions asked
@@radhummingbird97 but when John Arthur and Bill were going to six point with kieran he said that colm killed his dear in which John said that they were riding with lady killer but dutch killed also a girl on boat
Dutch and Colm are two sides of the same coin. They're both consumed in their own arrogance and swear vengeance, hating each other, but in the end, they were always just alike.
God, one of my favorite quotes from the whole game is when Hosea says, “guess that’s the end of the goddamn cribbage game.” While walking out of a burning manor
@@yaniel111 I would say, that he mostly cared about the money. Saying that he only cared about the money is wrong, he clearly loved Hosea, John and Arthur. It's just, that he chose money over them.
@@yaniel111 No. Before he really went crazy, he did save Arthur for instance from prison countless times in the game. And I doubt for 20 years he could have easily play himself as a caring man. There were surely situations where he really needed to protect Arthur and John, and he did it. He has huge ego and was very delusional from the beginning, but he surely did care. Then he hit his head (this is probably meaningful, otherwise it wouldn't have happened) then Hosea died.... meanwhile Micah used the situation to himself. That is how he totally went crazy. The little hints are really something in this game. In chapter one (I think) Arthur talks back to Dutch, even calls him pathetic, but Dutch doesn't freak out. In the last chapter he freaks out just because Arthur says "insist".
Dennis yeah I understand she wants revenge but you don’t bring somebody who had nothing to do with it into to problem like they stole jack but if she didn’t steel jack I’d understand
Keye to making murder feel justified; make sure the character in question represents everything that modern Americans feel really crappy about what their ancestors did; Native American Genocide, Black Slavery, Self-Entitlement of the Rich, High Class Hipocrasy, and Greed
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 Not an American and if you steal a kid don't act suprised when their family comes in on a war path. Weird how much sympathy that family gets on youtube.
@@bl5533 I wonder if john never killed Micah would Micah be the one to hunt everyone down and john ends up dying from micah and ross to save his family
@@XZPLAYGROUND7 " when i'm gone, they'II just find another monster, they have to , because they have to justify their wages " dutch van der line in rd1
He just wanted blind followers it's why in chapter 4 in a camp encounter he says to John the gang comes first despite everything he said in chapter 2 and 3 to make himself look like a Messiah
Guys he is talking about a different person, in rdr1 Dutch takes a girl hostage at the Town Hall I think, I'm not sure but he shoots her. It's not Heidi Mcourt because she gets shot before rdr2 starts.
I wish Dutch hadn't turned evil. I really liked him at the start of the game. Edit: Yes, I know he was already evil in RDR1. I'm not saying I was surprised, I knew he was going to change, I'm just saying he was very likable at the start of RDR2.
I reckon he got brain damage when the tram crashed in Saint Denis, he mentions during the mission how he's dizzy and only starts going full psycho afterwards
I noticed that too! But to be honest, he is a fool for believing Bronte in the first place. I knew every word he said was a joke when he was talking to him its so obvious.
@@anthonyspitery6332 I was so taken aback when I heard Dutch say that after he threw that dude to the gator... literal chills. I played rdr 1 when I was like 12 and holy shit it's just soo perfect
Arthur changed himself to be a good man. The best. Dutch gave in to his nature and became a terrible man. Just a great parallel between two beautifully written characters
Sam Johnson same with markiplier he said at the start alright boss right away boss I love you and then at the end of the story markiplier said fuck you dutch imma murder you he said stuff like that
When I first played the Braithwaite Massacre Mission I honestly did feel the same way as Dutch did angry, focused and crazy. This game really makes you feel like your there with the characters.
Drowning Brontë was a little excessive but I think they took it easy on Catherine. I wanted to kill her too but leaving her alive with her burning house and most of her family dead was worse than death. I think Dutch took it easy on her and went a little overboard with Brontë Lol overboard
And in the end, it was the other way around. The only person who changed in the gang was Dutch, unfortunately. He starting losing his mind, and with that rat Micah manipulating him, he just lost it
In my opinion, what made it so was the constant pressure "Dutch, no money", "Dutch, the Pinkerton", "Dutch! Have Marston", "Dutch! Have Abigail!", "Dutch! boy "," Dutch! Pinkerton follow us ", Dutch this, Dutch that, but nobody asked" Dutch? you're fine?"
Arthur asked him all the time. He questioned him but with great concern for someone who was like a Father to him. Even when Bronte offered them 1,000’s to whoever killed Dutch, it’s like they never even considered it for a second.
@@hamakuasledgehammer1920 When Bronte offered money and when the pinkertons offered freedom, noone betrayed Dutch. The gang always had his back, but he turned his back on them.
Putridfoe 65 I think it was just the huge amount of stress that pushed him to his limits, that and how he probably got used to being able to talk his way out of failure. Something which likely made it harder for him to work to actual success.
I look at it as a tragedy. Just not as interesting as Arthur. Over time he became broke, the some of the gang followed him of the ledge into crazy town.
Putridfoe 65 It was a mixture of the head wound he got on the trolley and the increasing stress of the gang, specifically Hosea’s death. He was corrupt with paranoia of betrayal.
There are many theories of when exactly he went crazy -After losing Hosea -Ever since Micah Joined and slowly manipulated him into insanity -After Bronte’s Betrayal -On Bronte’s train station set up job when he hit his head - after washing out on Guarma with the thought he lost Arthur for a day Or simply he was always crazy
Glad you saved the girl he shoots at the bank for last. To me, that was by far the most rotten thing Dutch did. Everything else was at least slightly defensible. Killing Braithwaite, Bronte and that woman on the island were brutal and bloodthirsty acts, but they had betrayed Dutch first. Leaving John behind multiple times and Arthur in the factory were cowardly acts, but you could make an (admittedly weak) argument that Dutch felt the situation was hopeless and underestimated his chances of success in rescuing his crew. Trusting Micah over Arthur was greedy, but Dutch does come to his senses and shoots Micah at the end of the game. Finally, executing that ranger in his camp was horrible and in no way justifiable, but it's slightly less horrible than killing the woman at the bank in that the ranger knew the risks of his job when he took it. However, that woman at the bank was totally innocent. She posed no threat and had done no wrong in any way. Dutch murdered her in cold blood for no reason. There was absolutely no excuse or justification for that.
Personally, I think him killing that girl was basically what happened in Blackwater when he killed Heidi McCourt. So he was really always capable of murdering innocent people and just looked for excuses to justify his horrible actions. The difference is that in RDR1 when he shot that girl, he didn't even try to justify anything because at that point he knew what he was and didn't try to hide it.
I agree that killing the little girl was horrible, i dont think it was for nothing, in the heat of the moment he killed her and made her corpse go against John and his team. I believe it was to buy some time, get a distraction for the team and buy a little time to escape
@@Decepticon_004 Even from a purely tactical standpoint, that was unnecessary. Dutch could have shoved the woman towards John and the officers without shooting her. That would have distracted them long enough to escape. It was a cold-blooded murder and it showed just how far Dutch had fallen from his ideals.
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When I played this the first time, I knew nothing about RDR. I wanted to play them in chronological order, and I was totally in shock at how Dutch threw his relationship with Arthur away all because of Micah and his own sick idea of a “perfect” world. Definitely my favorite game series.
That bank heist in Saint Denis broke the gang, since Lenny and especially Hosea died. I felt like Hosea was the one that brought common sense and rationale to the table while also keeping Dutch on a short leash with all his crazy ideas.
i just realized in the 6:45 scene that arthur was in the right side of dutch wearing blue,and micah was in the left side of dutch wearing red.. i think it symbolizes arthur being the angel’s voice of dutch,and micah is the devil’s voice of dutch.. and dutch, consumed by his greed and ambition picks the devil’s advice.. this game just never cease to stop delivering in philosophy lesson
Something similar is shown with the ferry heist where depending on your honor, you receive either a blue vest or a red vest. Blue for high honor and red for low honor so I wouldn't be surprised if your explanation was true.
@@letsride2024 bro’s replying to a comment from a year ago annoyed about a 16 year olds youtube account😭 Its good bro life gets better don’t worry, i’ll even like your comment for a little ego boost, god knows you need it💀
@@dutchvanderlinde4482 A year ago. Not 5 or 10. So you're still the same pretentious little attention seeking, lowlife, introvert daft fool. My life is good, you get the number of likes you wanted? 🤣🤣🤣
@@letsride2024 ngl bro, i’m sure you’re enjoying yourself thinking you’re winning an argument on a youtube comment, but there’s probably something more positive to do. You’re not happy if you’re trying to find an argument on youtube😭. I didn’t say 5 or 10 years ago, I said i’m 16 years old, and even I know this is a waste of time. Don’t get too triggered.
In my opinion all kill Arthur make was him defending himself or following Dutch's orders. Like Vili Conor said It's the manner in which he kills them. Dutch had no reason to kill blind woman when she was no threat to them
i went from having all my respect for dutch in the beginning bc he leaded the gang planned the robberies, which is really stressful, to absolutely having no respect for him. what he did to arthur at the end of chapter 6 is horrific and unforgivable
Put yourself in his place.. Dutch raised John Arthur, helped them, and saved their lives more than once, along with most of the gang members, until he ended up betraying him.. and Dutch did not know who the traitor was. Arthur is the person who disagrees with him the most at the end of the story. For this reason, he suspects that he is the traitor, but at the end of the game he recognizes the traitor and takes revenge on Micah.
SERGEANT WOLVERINE HULK He most likely would have had had situation been different. He was clearly mad but at this point saw no point in starting fights.
It would be like punching your father, I would personally wouldn’t have the guts even being stronger than him, it’s more than that, there’s so much respect we all have to our father figures we would be betraying ourselves, he must do sth too fucking horrible to deserve punching by his own son
5:25 The moment I turned against Dutch and started to hate him. Before I just disliked him because his plans were falling apart but this put the nail in the coffin.
Him killing Micah at the end of the game really makes me think that he was losing it but after what happened with Arthur, he legitimately felt awful for what he did and tried to do everything in his power to make it right. I honestly don’t think he’s a bad person, he was just misguided by Micah and a little nuts, because if he really was a bad guy, he would’ve killed Adler and John and taken that money, because after years, he had everything he wanted, and threw it out to help John.
it is unbelievable how some people still find excuses for his acts i think he is just a snake a real one though
HoTop GaminG you can justify SOME of his actions but yea he is a real bastard
I didn’t believe he went crazy until he killed the blind woman. He didn’t even pick back up the gold he payed her, he just did it to do it. I liked Dutch up until that moment. I feel like the failed robberies, greed, and Micah turned him crazy, but originally he was good.
Cam 114 he was close but Hosea dying was the last straw you could tell he turned after that point
u know a lot of this become really funny
when u play as a straight up outlaw
going on kill spree and what not
Idk the lady on guarma was justified. She pulled a knife. I actually went back to try to get the gold back off of her. But it doesnt give you a loot option.
I liked Dutch but when he left my boy Arthur in that factory, I died in the inside :(
Joonie’s titties - when he kill that blind woman that when I lost him
I still regret following that fool.
Arthur Morgan that comment would’ve been funny if you had his pfp, it’s just dumb with current one
I’m a nobody I hated that chick tho, dude gave her a $800 gold bar and the bitch demanded more
@@tachanka1283 OK? I didn't ask for feedback.
Hosea was the one that controlled dutches temper and crazy ideas.
I miss Hosea too.
Hosea if he would live would side with Arthur and John and miss grimshaw the gang fell apart after Hosea died he was heart and soul 2nd in commander of the gang
Barely
@@tonmion i wish we could resurrect him and Lenny.
@@captiankirkgames4385 also lenneh and sean
I just couldn't believe it when he turned around leaving Arthur to die in that factory. My heart dropped.
Mijo Falco god same, I couldn’t believe it
I wanted to shoot that smug fucking face of him right then and there.
And that caused eagle flies death too
I was expecting it. It was when he shot Cornwall that I knew that he definitely fucking lost it. That, and siding with Micah instead of the people he considered his family for years.
And also John said that Dutch just sat there and let him get arrested before.
I saw it coming honestly but I thought when he was telling Arthur to look for files he was gonna shoot him in the back or something then tell everyone some bs
What got to me is when he sees Eagle Flies clearly wounded, about to die, and Dutch says "Everything is coming together, exactly as I planned." That was just cold hearted.
In My Opinion Eagle Flies Is A Waist Of Time I Hate His Story And Mainly He's An Idiot
I felt bad for rain falls when eagle flies died, and i think dutch took over them indians from eagle flies due to there being indians as "dutchs men" in rdr1, that mustve been part of his 'plan'
@@nathanibarra6013 No Rains Fall And Eagle Flies Is A Waist of Time
@@ShadowFox11910 some may think but those who really love the story dont think so 💯
@@ShadowFox11910 He was a brave, foolish young man who fell for Dutch's pretty words and charisma just like the rest of the gang and got lulled into doing something foolish. The Indian Wars are actually a pretty important part of American History and you can't have a good Western without at least mentioning them.
I still can’t believe how great the voice acting is in this game.
It's always been great in Rockstar games, so was no big suprise for me.
Except Sadie
@@luigiwiiUU I liked Sadie!
@@legion7466
Thats fine, Im talking about her voice, which varies in believability
Not even the voice acting but the acting in general because they probably had to do all of this in some live capture suits and everything
Granny Grimshaw was such a savage. One of my favourite moments was when she said "No, you be quiet Mr Bell."
That’s because that’s the only remotely cool thing she has said😂
Lmfao
@@brodyhanes2873 nah she was a cool woman, its just that Sadie overshadowed her
I remember when I didn’t wash for like a week and I went back to camp only for her to drag me by the ear to the wash bucket and then she took 6.50 from me
That was also her last words
Hosea was the most intelligent member he was always the voice in Dutches ear which was a good thing but then after his death Micha took over and things went down hill from there
multiversal r i c e farmer Nah reverend Swanson was the wisest
Also when they needed a boat so the robbed a bank but there was no money he then went to that train thingy and rode there but then it crashed after the crash he was dizzy then went full psycho, maybe thats why his plans where a failure since all of his plans includes risking someones life and violation
@-lmao now I’ll have a line through my name-
Micah was a cucked coward at the start. He only dared taunt Arthur after he became terminally ill and finally managed to scrape up enough guts to fight him on his fucking deathbed.
@@rickjohnson3171 arthur: what's the matter cant kill a dying man? (Taunting micah)
Marcus Harvey Micah was snitching the whole time that’s why it was all a fail f
What Bronte says to Dutch before he dies is ultimately true. In the end Dutch stood for nothing, he was just creating chaos out of spite, and when his time to die came there was no big finale. No final great speech, he died as nothing.
Well, tbf his final speech to John had volume and it mattered a lot. If you disagree with it then you are wrong.
@ That coupled with Ross walking away from his corpse telling Archer "Come on. Let's go find someone else to bother."
His gang stood for nothing either. Which is a shame, all those people died for nothing.
@@fighteraircraft4576 so what if it mattered to John, John would die and no one else will hear that final speech. In the end even his speech was nothing
@@fighteraircraft4576 It had some truth but so did his other speeches, trumped up to some grandiose lie that I can easily disagree with.
Micah shoots mrs grimshaw
Dutch : Who is betraying me
By then he didn't care about Grimshaw as in his eyes she sided with Arthur and John against him
4:04 Arthur in his mind: Tf Dutch?
Very original comment
@@danl2136 everyone 👉 micha
Yea.. He's definitely crazy
it’s crazy how the gang members that died throughout the story would all probably side with arthur and john at the ending
Ooohhhhh that is so true! Such a What If thing going on
That's exactly why they had to die. Cause then arthur would have stopped dutch and micah right there. If you have the steel book like I do, looking inside, you can see on the right is dutch and those who side with him and on the left. Arthur, and who I believe side with him.
If hosea were alive it wouldnt have come to that
@@komando5102 to be honest, hosea killed himself. He spent the whole game fighting dutch on every idea of his, and right when hes like "yeah let's go rob this big bank" that's when it finally bit him.
I think most would've stayed loyal all the way up until Dutch was gonna flat out leave Abigail behind. That would've been the final straw and they would've chose to ride out with Arthur in order to save her.
We all know his MOST dishonourable act: Telling Arthur to save Micah
yes
*While losing more honor killing sheriff's when we could have took the front route....*
@@evolutionmax9791 exactly ... . I was mad pissed . When I had no choice to kill and lose honor . I even stopped and didn't shot but when Micah dies ( which he will if you don't help him ) you lose the damn mission . Dead end mission . Nothing to gain but a freaking rat 🐀 . But as Dutch said " he would do the same for you Arthur " 🤔🥴🥴🥴🤔😬😬
Micah makes alot of noise & fame as a psycho killer. He's a two time backstabber like Big Smoke in GTASA. No loyalty to the gang & no love for the gang cuz the way he said to Arthur, he doesn't care anyone but himself only. That happen when Lenny died shot in the head by the law & Micah didn't care about what happen.
@@stark0168 the best part is that in every random breakout event, Micah isn’t in ONE of them!
Fun fact: He never actually had any plan, the voice actor of dutch said that Dutch made up the whole Tahiti plan so the gang would have an objective and not lose morale
So what was the plan? Just keep causing chaos?
@@paulallen2680 probably dutch was the kind of person that hated change he saw that the wild west was slowly being tamed and, he tried to fight against that change and take everyone and everything down with him, im guessing that during rdr 1 he finally realized that the days of gunslingers was over and he decided that he couldn't live in a world that didn't want outlaws anymore
@@djdocdragon428 yep, if everyone just made their own mango farms on tahiti, there would be no reason to worship Dutch like a messiah anymore, become independent. It's why I think he waa doomed before Hosea death, trolley incident, Micah, etc. All of those just sped up the process
@@mantiraptor5208 bingo
@@paulallen2680To fight an unwinnable war against progress, Dutch was an Anarchist, he wanted a land of no laws and no governments, like how the world was when he was a kid and just starting out as an outlaw, he wanted the whole world to be the wild west
Kieran knew something was wrong with dutch from the beginning when he said his gang and Dutch gang are really familiar
Damn I didn’t think too much of that
Well, they are both gangs that are full of outlaws that are on the run from the law while making camps at many locations and every gang lives similar to that. So I’m not sure if that really means that he knew something was wrong with Dutch but I wouldn’t be surprised if they had Kieran say that to hint at Dutch’s nature.
@DeadlyNeedle ! No, Kieran is right. People are just people. The Van der Linde gang is no better than the O'driscolls. In fact, based on what we see them do in the game, they are worse. We come to care about the gang because they are the protagonists, but if you flipped it around you could see it the other way too.
@@jamesshepherd9390 very true
Uncle too
He picked someone who only ran with the gang for a few months than someone that was there for 20+ years
Because that person promised him money which was all Dutch cared about
_hmm _ well a good reason is he had tuberculosis so he was dying with or without Micah same as Arthur with Thomas they just hurried it up
Uni Aka fire well after the last fight where Arthur secomes to TB Dutch does abandon Micah so you’re logic is a bit off
@@JJ-hq3fl Both end up alive though right? I mean they both die in RDR1 well all of them do but Micah and Dutch had around the equal amount of chance to either die or live at that point and same as Marston but idk how he lived though tbh being shot like he was idk how he would have made it but he did
Because was a man who was being tested so his true self came out. Not the man he put on for everyone else, but a prideful man who would rather have those close to him die than admit that he is wrong.
"I am just trying to make sure that some of us survive, Arthur." Literally no one did
i mean a few people did
charles, sadie, mary beth, tilly jackson, etc..
@@Graysoneli2eh potato tomato
@@gercey3314 tf?
@@ShadyEnigma tf?
@@Graysoneli2 that’s true but if it weren’t for Arthur they would’ve probably died
You forgot Dutch's betrayal of Ms Grimshaw, he just let Micah shoot her without question. Also, Old Bat Braithwaite was no betrayal.
Walking up to that house was in my opinion the coolest moment in any game I’ve played
Yeah seriously there is lots of honor in killing former slave owners and burning their plantation. It’s one of the most honorable things you could do
@@dyltube6395 yeah I got goosebumps when the whole Van der linde gang was approaching Braithwaite's manor in a pattern
@@harsh111yt not all of them though, Sadie, Micah, and Kieran weren’t there at the manor, but I get you.
@@dyltube6395 yeah just riding with the whole gang to the braithwaites was one of the coldest moment in not just games, but most movies too
That moment when they're talking of abandoning Abigail is one of my favorites in the game. Arthur has nothing to say but, "Dutch," in desperation. He can't verbalize it, but he's begging Dutch not to make him turn on the gang. Arthur's own abandonment was forgiven. So was John's. This was the final straw.
Very well said
After all Micah was the one who told dutch they don’t need abigail in my opinion i think he said that because of how many time he got rejected from abigail when he said he wants to take her out and have you know with her so when he heard she was in trouble he became an asshole and said that they don’t need her which surprised me of how micah easily manipulated dutch there i was legitimately not thinking he would let Abigail just die
"Its just a girl Dutch"
"Micah is right, It is just a girl Authur"
*processes to overwrite what Arthur should've have said*
"So is Annabel? Huh! What about her so she just a girl to you?!!"
*angry Dutch*
@O Apeleftherotís ton Anthropón Aftís tis epochís f**k the Riechstag
@@exiledhebrew1994 LOL JEWISH
This isn't dishonorable, this is all part of the plan.
We just need more money and a God damn FAITH!
TO TAHITI
MUNEH
SK1_Tango to Tahiti tickets
It’s fine Dutch always has a plan
As soon as Dutch didn't helped Arthur that's where I started to hate him
Frenk Tobi took you that long to realize not to trust Dutch?
the was the final straw for me. I can't believe Arthur was calm about it
@Ryo Asuka To be fair, that's precisely what Colm O'Driscoll wanted the gang to do, at which point, they'd all get turned in. Still kind of a shitty risk but in that case I can understand the decision there. Besides, Dutch was still for the most part in control of his mental faculties due to Hosea's influence. I started losing faith in Dutch during the Guarma section, and the breaking point for me was the reaction to saving John.
I started to hate him when he shot my damm binocolaurs in Red dead redemption 1.
The bastard
That binocular shot was insane if you think about it lol. Also Dutch left Arthur another time when the ship was sinking. So he left Arthur to die at least three times.
the first one is honestly my favorite thing from Dutch. It shows how much he really cares for Jack and how he still has some hope for the camp. Rather than being manipulated by Micah. You can slowly see him change through the scenes. From hunting a woman down for a boy to killing a old lady to drowning a man to betraying his best friend and most valuable asset.
I don’t think he acted in a dishonourable way in the Braithwaite manor, i think he and all of the other gang members were just really worried and angry about how Jack was taken, so they took they anger out on the people that kidnapped someone they all care so much about, It just shows me Dutch’s honest love and care for John and his Son, something he lost at the game went on.
@@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE Well it was actually a lot more than just that. He also had ongoing resentment for Southern people over slavery and his own dad being killed in the Civil War. Jack was just his way to justify himself. Admittedly, it was quite so. Just not for the reasons in the back of his mind.
I don’t get why people are mad about me killing the old lady. It was obvious she was gonna betray us!
@@hahdgabfhbsjcnsncnnsdbbzbs YES [Learn Dutch Today!] I [Total cost]LY UNDERSTAND [RUclips]
Killing the old lady was justifiable. She accepted payment, then tried to squeeze more out of Dutch. Then when Dutch didn't pay up she pulled a knife on him. Old lady got what she deserved tbh.
I’m so glad Micah wasn’t in that boat when bronte said $1000 to the man who kills Dutch
Deez Nutz maybe he should have been...
Joo Honey true
Honestly we all should appoint the fact that in a different universe Micah shoots Dutch and the gang kills him. Forcing Arthur the new leader of the gang and he makes sure everybody leaves the gang and start a new life and he dies of TB happily
@@yaniel111 this should be in the game
@@yaniel111 LENNNAAAAYYY!
Back in Clemens point when Dutch said "I was gonna say you're like a son to me but you are more" made his betrayals hurt all the more.
He went crazy
Ikr
Technically Arthur betrayed the gang. But it was very well justified. Even then he didn't go crazy and he wasn't evil. The thing is after Hosea died Dutch was in a vulnerable state. Micha saw it before Arthur and pounced first. I think all the time he sat in his tent he was thinking and his conscience was eating at him.
@@kira2650 it’s more like the gang betrayed Dutch. The only people who were with Dutch in the end were Mica, his 2 friends, Bill, and Javier. But even Javier left Dutch soon after. Basically the entire gang realized Dutch was insane except for Bill. And that’s because Bill was a moron.
@@noyew2325 Even then I don't think Dutch was crazy I think he was manipulated by Micha.
Arthur: Donates 1,000,000,000 to camp
Dutch: We need more MUNEH
I wish they actually had a non canon ending for if you managed to gain the camp a certain amount of money
We need moheny
Aurthur:I have 15 grand in my pocket
@@arthurmorgan1007 Thats the sad part about Dutch, it never was about the Money for him. Even in the Epilogue, he just left John with all that money and gold. He was selfish for his own Ego and not necessarily for greed.
@@adam_clown nah I think it's cuz he knew he was wrong ngl
4:48 there's just something about this scene, seeing Arthur and John together, making me happy
It’s good foreshadowing. The way they stand side by side, glance at each other and then stare in the water. They are beginning to realise Dutch perhaps isn’t the man they thought he was.
That scene with Bronte is one of the most powerful in the game.
Yeah i agree that was intense. You could tell right then and there that he was a power tripping murderer
True but the Braithwaite one was intense cause you killed her sons and burn her house down and leave her for dead
@@michaelramirez2545 yeah but thats a bit more understandable, they kidnapped John's kid and the whole Braithwaite and Gray war led to Sean being killed and a lot of other messiness in that situation
@@michaelramirez2545 that dutch was actually the one we all loved
It's the moment John and Arthur started seeing eye to eye
3:21 Bill is low key thinking, "1000 bucks yeah?"
That’s what i was thinking 😂
If it were real and I were John(obviously the badass one) I'd be a smart ass and say is there a way I get the money without ducking over Dutch
JLS Jay John was a badass but Arthur is way more badass lmao
@@movieclipsintheater3841 Arthur was cool, But John is more badass.
@@breadlover302 wrong
1:58 I like how he killed her and didnt even take his gold back
Thats how you know he's gone insane
Slack Blurt I JUST played that mission like the Other day and I remember thinking Exactly That!😦
@Modest Chicken lucky I couldn't loot her body the game wouldn't let me
It was part of the plan
Maybe off-screen did
2:13 "Now... Shall we proceed?"
Urgh. That sent chills down my spine.
Dutch practically abandons Aruthur and John, they were some of the first members and practically his kids, then when people started to die especially after Hosea Is when Micah started to cloud his mind.
I was reading this with an Irish accent
Yeah, he abandons Arthur and John and then he’s like “What happened to loyalty? You betrayed me!”
Damn, ya boi Sean preaching the truth and watching it all transpire from the afterlife. Bless your soul, annoying little brother.
@Display Name nah the first was Dutch and Hosea. Then somewhere around John joined.
I practically agree to be practically honest
“She’s just a girl” Micah really pissed me off how he convinced Dutch to leave her.
micah only cared for himself all the time, there was no second he cared about the gang.
@@gfde7421 he’s a psychopath. Not the stereotypical “killer” but a cold hearted, manipulative, zero remorse, little to no emotion person and if he did show emotion it was fake
Gwen Stafani gunna start singing OH IM JUST A GIRL
Gets shot in gameplay
Is fine
Gets shot in cutscene
*dies*
Nice fucking stolen meme
Say this to Lenny
@@MonarchLMC the words are a meme format
Maris Staff70 they actually die a lot in gameplay
Bag man that’s what memes are dickhead, stolen
Me: kills half the population of Valentine for no reason
Also me: "Dutch keeps killing people for no reason"
All those kills are not cannon, though
Every time I loose at poker and the one npc is blocking me from coming around the table to leave, and I shove him-I SHOOT ALL OF VALENTINE AFTER THAT
@@biggore8338 no shit this was a joke
@@biggore8338it is canon because it affects your honor which can affect your dialogues
@@Theendisnearasuouknowit but high honor is canon
Dutch plan der linde
Great
Lol nice
😂😂 I tip my hat to you sir
*T A H I T I*
*we need more money*
Shooting micha was the best thing Dutch ever did
The new Dutch did
You may have spoiled it for some people
@@user-mv7ho8ts7z the games been out for almost a year lol stfu
It was the only good thing he did
And you should have put a SPOILER ALERT
Good job just ruining the game for me
7:14 i think this scene was directly supposed to represent the angel and the devil on dutch’s shoulder.
Arthur is like the angel and Michah well you know
@@no-hi2mr
But why Dutch why did you side with Micah...HE'S A RAT
@@mr.emunkie2640 I did the necessary just have faith
Heh, poetic, never noticed that.
Depends on your honour level
Back at the factory when Dutch left Arthur to die. I never felt so betrayed in a game. It's straight heart broken for me.
you ran away
*lady pulls out knife*
Dutch: She was gonna betray us, couldn't you tell?
Aurther: no
For real Dutch had no choice but to kill her it was him or her
@@mountainman8785 What are you talkin about Dutch definitely had a choice it was not a him or her situation as he was able to easily overpower her and she was no threat whatsoever once she dropped the knife and yet Dutch Still killed her.
Sgt Virus yes it was he didn’t have no gold so she threatened to kill him so yes it was him or her
@@mountainman8785 Yes she threatened to kill him but it's not like she could as again she was easily overpowered and once she droped the knife she was no threat whatsoever so again not exactly a him or her situation if it was a man around Dutch's age that would have been a different story but a feebled old lady any guy who is in decent shape would would have been able to do the exact same thing much less a highly wanted Outlaw with lots of combat experience.
Sgt Virus after she dropped the knife she could have told everyone they were there
“You can die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain”
true
But we kind of saw it the other way around with Arthur. He started off as an anti-hero only loyal to the gang and ended up the hero. One of the only heroes you'll play as in Rockstar games.
@@Joe.._ what about martson
@@cyberrunner6529 Marston wasn't necessarily a hero but he became a good man. Well at least a better man.
Dalton Todd ya but they still “save people who need savin, and feed people who need feedin.” They’re not that bad
I feel that what he did to the Braithwaite was justified. They took Jack and the way he handled it was so badass.
Soviet Sausage yea but they stole her horses, stole her Liquor, and killed her sons can you now see why she took jack away
ASAP Hayez speaking facts, everyone act like Dutch a hero and forgets about the fact she was minding her own business fueding with another family before Dutch decided to "intervene"
@@jyavgn4154 that all well and good but the fact that they took kidnapped a KID who has nothing to do with it you see why ppl see why ppl its on Dutch side
@@blessedxxiii5583 yes but they took a boy that has nothing to do with anything.
Dutch is a very well written character. He plays the part of corruption extremely well
Honestly I was kind of annoyed that Arthur even agreed to do that last train robbery mission with Dutch, since by then Dutch had already left him for dead in the oil office. Like, you have the option of declining to help Sadie, but not Dutch?
well that is arthurs whole character a man who is blinded by loyalty too much and as mary describes he is fighting a huge monster inside of himself but loses every time because he is so loyal.
Yeah, but Arthur was like us. He still wanted to believe, that the man he trusted for so long could return to normal again. Sadly, he didn't.
Loyalty is an amazing quality more people should have. But I agree, Arthur lacked any discernment concerning himself and anyone he cared about. He had too much faith in the wrong object. He should have run away with Mary. At least then he would have more time to give meaningfully. Then again, the rest of the gang, especially John, needed him there. Arthur was right all along in the end. He redeemed his final days ultimately. And his legacy was not forgotten nor did it bring disgrace.
I guess he figured he could get some money for the others if he went along for the robbery. And in a way it did work out, as he gave the money he took from the train to Tilly.
Dutch has a way with words and plus he raised arthur and arthur is blinded by Dutchs ideas... he still thinks he can help dutch or maybe he doubted what he saw
When Arthur says "I gave you all I had" all of our hearts broke
The only thing which reversed the breaking of our hearts is probably the breaking of Dutch’s neck
Hosea was really the wisdom of the gang and the moral compass of Dutch and what kept him in the safe. Once he died, Dutch's moral compass got replaced with Micah...
At 3:23 Bill looks at everyone's faces to check if someone's willing to take the offer alongside him. The attention to detail in this game!
Which is just insane considering Bill is regarded as one of the most loyal to Dutch.
All them years Dutch, for this SNAKE!
Hello Arthur
All those years of fighting for our freedom, only to be gunned down like a dog in Saint Denis streets.
@@joshvano7818 Hosea, thought you was dead.
I know my name is Chris Hansen but it's a joke and at least I'm not roleplaying as him. You virgins are just cringey as fuck
DAMN US BOTH
*Who steals a god damn boy*
El Mantishrimp for some reason that line made me pause my goddamn game and start cackling
Apparently the government
Angelo Bronte
No...
*Who steals a God damn boah!?*
Boah*
It broke my heart when he became more and more insane and disloyal, I absolutely adored Dutch just as much and if not more than Arthur, John and Sadie
Chark BTW this is why we do side missions first
Dutch was my second favorite character in the game
Thats the charm of this game, its hard to tell when he is changing but we can guess he is discovering "who he truely is" himself
@@cognotouchpasmonble4527 you can find out when he truly changes is after his brain/head injury after the robbery in saint Denis, when the tram crashes
The whole thing is an illusion Arthur just experienced this when he got drunk with *LENYYYYYY*
Micah joined the gang and their luck turned sour by chance. Then, as their luck continued to rot, Micah put the nail in the coffin by turning informant for the law. Micah also sewed seeds of doubt in Dutch and fed into his maniacal tendencies that had been kept at bay by Hosea and fanned at by Arthur. Dutch began to care less about the weaker gang members and even those who were strong if they were in disadvantageous spots. Micah is the ultimate bad guy in this story, but the gang's unwavering loyalty to Dutch cost them everything. They treated Dutch like a demigod when really he was declining into a madman.
I feel it was Dutch’s “plan” to kill John, or leave him for dead. He didn’t save him nearly as soon as he should’ve from the prison, he actual,y didn’t save em, Arthur and Sadie did. And then left him to die again later!
If Micah got arrested he woulda hijacked a whole ship to get them to that island ASAP
Yes I’m more important then ol cow poke so why wouldn’t you save me
@@Delxy-2k rats can speak now eh?
xXKineticGGXx I’m not the rat John is ol black lung doesn’t know what he talking about he’s dying he’s talking crazy
I think it happens the same with arthur... when dutch, micah and arthur goes to meet colm. Maybe dutch wanted to let arthur be captured.
8:45
Okay can we just appreciate how good Dutch's shot was from that range WITH A PISTOL
ye he used deadeye
@@nf2086 but didn't used them when Arthur almost died in the factory
He’s a coward عبد الله مالكي
@@nf2086 no doubt
You mean revolver
2:09
This
This line sums up the whole plot of Dutch’s change. During the first keiren mission John says that Dutch is far different from the o’drisscols (sorry for bad spelling) because all the o’drisscols try to do is survive. From gruarma onDutch only wants to survive, making him no better than the o’drisscols, leading to the downfall of the gang...
Yooo bro i've never thought about this.
Great point of view.
I know I’ve made this same statement before I’m surprised people don’t notice that he makes the gang turn into the odriscolls
I remember he also talked about Colm letting anyone who can shoot and ride into the gang because all he cared about was numbers. Later on Dutch lets Micah bring in Cleet and Joe no questions asked
@@radhummingbird97 but when John Arthur and Bill were going to six point with kieran he said that colm killed his dear in which John said that they were riding with lady killer but dutch killed also a girl on boat
Dutch and Colm are two sides of the same coin. They're both consumed in their own arrogance and swear vengeance, hating each other, but in the end, they were always just alike.
God, one of my favorite quotes from the whole game is when Hosea says, “guess that’s the end of the goddamn cribbage game.” While walking out of a burning manor
After Hosea's death, Dutch brings down his Honor
Ruben Garcia He was a bad man already. He had no gang since money was the only thing he cared about
@@yaniel111 I would say, that he mostly cared about the money. Saying that he only cared about the money is wrong, he clearly loved Hosea, John and Arthur. It's just, that he chose money over them.
@@yaniel111 EVERYBODY in this band are bad. Arthur bad Micah bad Dutch bad Josiah bad... All of them lying and killing.
Hosea was essentially an anchor on Dutch to make sure he wouldn’t go too crazy but with Hosea gone Dutch went mad with power.
@@yaniel111 No. Before he really went crazy, he did save Arthur for instance from prison countless times in the game. And I doubt for 20 years he could have easily play himself as a caring man. There were surely situations where he really needed to protect Arthur and John, and he did it. He has huge ego and was very delusional from the beginning, but he surely did care. Then he hit his head (this is probably meaningful, otherwise it wouldn't have happened) then Hosea died.... meanwhile Micah used the situation to himself. That is how he totally went crazy. The little hints are really something in this game. In chapter one (I think) Arthur talks back to Dutch, even calls him pathetic, but Dutch doesn't freak out. In the last chapter he freaks out just because Arthur says "insist".
We can all agree the first one was justified Edit: one year later an y’all still going on about this one 💀
@Dennis After she stole a child.
She announced war and then complained when the soldiers arrived.
Dennis yeah I understand she wants revenge but you don’t bring somebody who had nothing to do with it into to problem like they stole jack but if she didn’t steel jack I’d understand
Keye to making murder feel justified; make sure the character in question represents everything that modern Americans feel really crappy about what their ancestors did; Native American Genocide, Black Slavery, Self-Entitlement of the Rich, High Class Hipocrasy, and Greed
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 Not an American and if you steal a kid don't act suprised when their family comes in on a war path.
Weird how much sympathy that family gets on youtube.
Dennis yet they stole jack dumbass and she still wouldn’t tell him where he was she deserves it lmao
4:33
Dutch to John: “It is us, or him. I figure it might as well be him.”
John to Javier: “It’s you, or me. The way I see it, might as well be you.”
jaredwoozy In RDR1 John is the rat
@@DieTVPenner no u
Dominik Hes forced to be and not really anyway the government knew where they most likely are but sent John to do the dirty work
@@bl5533 I wonder if john never killed Micah would Micah be the one to hunt everyone down and john ends up dying from micah and ross to save his family
@@XZPLAYGROUND7 " when i'm gone, they'II just find another monster, they have to , because they have to justify their wages "
dutch van der line
in rd1
Dutch: *abandons Arthur and leaves him to be captured or killed*
Arthur: *Tries to Help John*
Dutch: betrayal!!!!1!1!11!1 😡😡😡
He just wanted blind followers it's why in chapter 4 in a camp encounter he says to John the gang comes first despite everything he said in chapter 2 and 3 to make himself look like a Messiah
6:34
Lmfao this is just the dutchest moment in the entire red dead series
I know haha
He left arthur to die :'(
Meanwhile what he’s doing is completely idiotic. Classic Dutch
Light Yagami wannabe.
Ah Dutch, always saying things are going exactly to plan when literally nothing is going exactly to plan
wHo TaKeS a GoDdAmN bOy?!
11 years later: kills a woman in Blackwater bank.
Even started earlier where he killed a girl on the boat in blackwater as they mention
Nati Neko chan Heidi McCourt
12*
Guys he is talking about a different person, in rdr1 Dutch takes a girl hostage at the Town Hall I think, I'm not sure but he shoots her. It's not Heidi Mcourt because she gets shot before rdr2 starts.
*kills old hag in guarma*
I wish Dutch hadn't turned evil. I really liked him at the start of the game.
Edit: Yes, I know he was already evil in RDR1. I'm not saying I was surprised, I knew he was going to change, I'm just saying he was very likable at the start of RDR2.
He was already evil in the first game bro
@@142doddy
I said "at the start of the game" not "in the first game".
@@8.3.4.N no but I mean we'd already seen him evil
@@142doddy
Oh yeah, I knew he would turn evil, I just mean I liked him at the start of RDR2.
@@8.3.4.N oh I understand now. Yeah I agree! He seemed so nice
The mansion raid (where they try to find jack) is one of my favorite missions i felt like such a badass playing it
Arthur's "Dutch" at 7:28 breaks my heart man.. 😭
John The Baptiste dickhead
@John The Baptiste dickhead
John The Baptiste dickhead
@John The Baptiste dickhead
The ProjectRoza lmao ok
I reckon he got brain damage when the tram crashed in Saint Denis, he mentions during the mission how he's dizzy and only starts going full psycho afterwards
Smart
Nice observation.
Yeah as soon as that happens i knew shit was about to get far worse
They foreshadowed the hell out of that mission, after that I knew it was only gonna get worse
I noticed that too! But to be honest, he is a fool for believing Bronte in the first place. I knew every word he said was a joke when he was talking to him its so obvious.
Dutch: "But it is us or him. I figure it might as well be him."
John (in RDR1): "It's either you or me. The way I see it, it might as well be you."
I love that parallel so much! Throwing some of that blind loyalty logic right the fuck back at Javier. John is such a badass
@@anthonyspitery6332 I was so taken aback when I heard Dutch say that after he threw that dude to the gator... literal chills. I played rdr 1 when I was like 12 and holy shit it's just soo perfect
1st time.. Dutch: “I have a plan”
42nd time Dutch: “I have a new plan”
Me: “stfu Dutch”
Me: tell me the plan
Dutch: no
Arthur changed himself to be a good man. The best. Dutch gave in to his nature and became a terrible man.
Just a great parallel between two beautifully written characters
The good- Arthur
The bad- Micah
The ugly- Dutch
Dutch wasn’t always bad but he was turned bad because Micah was so bad
I have a plan
actually both ended up giving into their true nature I think Dutch is a straight psychopath.
Arthur was never a good man. Even one of the last things this 'redeemed' man ever did was, guess what, robbery.
3:15 the most gangster display of loyalty of 2018 in gaming.
Damn straight
I tried to side with Dutch in most of his decisions, but after he walked out on Arthur when he was gonna get killed, that crossed the line
Sam Johnson same with markiplier he said at the start alright boss right away boss I love you and then at the end of the story markiplier said fuck you dutch imma murder you he said stuff like that
When I first played the Braithwaite Massacre Mission I honestly did feel the same way as Dutch did angry, focused and crazy. This game really makes you feel like your there with the characters.
Drowning Brontë was a little excessive but I think they took it easy on Catherine. I wanted to kill her too but leaving her alive with her burning house and most of her family dead was worse than death. I think Dutch took it easy on her and went a little overboard with Brontë
Lol overboard
Braithwhite: You killed my sons!
Dutch: Oh and I will surely kill the rest of them.
Honest!
yes I also watched the video
@@rusji0311 no you didn't
I would do the same if my Arthur was in that situation
Mr.Braithwaite had the weakest pull out game
There’s a random camp interaction where Dutch says to Arthur, “I expect you’ll betray me in the end Arthur, you’re the type.”
And in the end, it was the other way around. The only person who changed in the gang was Dutch, unfortunately. He starting losing his mind, and with that rat Micah manipulating him, he just lost it
Dad: why haven’t you done the dishes
Me: sorry dad I forgot
Dad: 3:45
Dutch slowly went crazy after he hit his head when the tram crashed when they got tricked by Bronte to rob the station
Never thought of that
He started to get a little crazy, then when hosea died that’s when he went apeshit
A The old woman he choked out in Guarma was one of his most craziest insane moments
RDR2 Fan I mean she threatened him with a knife
Think he started going a bit wacko as soon as Jack was taken
In my opinion, what made it so was the constant pressure "Dutch, no money", "Dutch, the Pinkerton", "Dutch! Have Marston", "Dutch! Have Abigail!", "Dutch! boy "," Dutch! Pinkerton follow us ", Dutch this, Dutch that, but nobody asked" Dutch? you're fine?"
first one to stand beside him
@Absolutely Barbaric i agree as soon as hosea and lenny died thats when things start to fall apart
Arthur asked him all the time. He questioned him but with great concern for someone who was like a Father to him. Even when Bronte offered them 1,000’s to whoever killed Dutch, it’s like they never even considered it for a second.
@@hamakuasledgehammer1920 When Bronte offered money and when the pinkertons offered freedom, noone betrayed Dutch. The gang always had his back, but he turned his back on them.
Only one asked the is susan but he react very crazy
Dutch went crazy after Hosea got killed. So he wasn’t always crazy... Right?
Putridfoe 65 I think it was just the huge amount of stress that pushed him to his limits, that and how he probably got used to being able to talk his way out of failure. Something which likely made it harder for him to work to actual success.
After all, drowning the guy was something he did to relieve stress, it didn’t have any real benefit.
I look at it as a tragedy. Just not as interesting as Arthur. Over time he became broke, the some of the gang followed him of the ledge into crazy town.
Putridfoe 65 It was a mixture of the head wound he got on the trolley and the increasing stress of the gang, specifically Hosea’s death. He was corrupt with paranoia of betrayal.
There are many theories of when exactly he went crazy
-After losing Hosea
-Ever since Micah Joined and slowly manipulated him into insanity
-After Bronte’s Betrayal
-On Bronte’s train station set up job when he hit his head
- after washing out on Guarma with the thought he lost Arthur for a day
Or simply he was always crazy
Glad you saved the girl he shoots at the bank for last. To me, that was by far the most rotten thing Dutch did. Everything else was at least slightly defensible.
Killing Braithwaite, Bronte and that woman on the island were brutal and bloodthirsty acts, but they had betrayed Dutch first. Leaving John behind multiple times and Arthur in the factory were cowardly acts, but you could make an (admittedly weak) argument that Dutch felt the situation was hopeless and underestimated his chances of success in rescuing his crew. Trusting Micah over Arthur was greedy, but Dutch does come to his senses and shoots Micah at the end of the game. Finally, executing that ranger in his camp was horrible and in no way justifiable, but it's slightly less horrible than killing the woman at the bank in that the ranger knew the risks of his job when he took it.
However, that woman at the bank was totally innocent. She posed no threat and had done no wrong in any way. Dutch murdered her in cold blood for no reason. There was absolutely no excuse or justification for that.
Personally, I think him killing that girl was basically what happened in Blackwater when he killed Heidi McCourt. So he was really always capable of murdering innocent people and just looked for excuses to justify his horrible actions. The difference is that in RDR1 when he shot that girl, he didn't even try to justify anything because at that point he knew what he was and didn't try to hide it.
Don't forget Heidi McCourt, an innocent young woman he murdered OFF SCREEN before the events of RDR2 in Blackwater.
I agree that killing the little girl was horrible, i dont think it was for nothing, in the heat of the moment he killed her and made her corpse go against John and his team. I believe it was to buy some time, get a distraction for the team and buy a little time to escape
@@Decepticon_004 Even from a purely tactical standpoint, that was unnecessary. Dutch could have shoved the woman towards John and the officers without shooting her. That would have distracted them long enough to escape. It was a cold-blooded murder and it showed just how far Dutch had fallen from his ideals.
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That is a good plan
Dutch: have some FAITH!
G O T O T A H I T I
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I wouldn't call the first clip dishonorable I would have done the same thing
And the bronte one too
The fucker deserved it
Too bad he died before getting eaten
Agreed, but I would’ve left bronte alone that was the main reason the saint denis heist went wrong
@@HunterGilligan bronte fucked us over he deserved it
@@HunterGilligan no he didnt
Molly told the pinkertons that they will rob the bank and thats why
She says that in a drunken stupor, there is a real snake though but that is spoilers for the endgame
Love and hate dutch at the same time
-The King Harkinian- You look like a Driscoll boy
That's what narcissists do to you, ever date one? Fucking nightmare.
@@josejimenez731 hes colm o'driscoll
Looks like an odriscoll boy to me.
When I played this the first time, I knew nothing about RDR. I wanted to play them in chronological order, and I was totally in shock at how Dutch threw his relationship with Arthur away all because of Micah and his own sick idea of a “perfect” world. Definitely my favorite game series.
Yall are just losing faith
I guess they have no MONEH. So they lost FAITH.
+Lord Chanka and dont forget, making noise is important too
@@majugejohn3716 I think Sean lost FAITH
Jason Turner yea, like number 500 from me!
@@JJsiN84 thanks bro!
That bank heist in Saint Denis broke the gang, since Lenny and especially Hosea died. I felt like Hosea was the one that brought common sense and rationale to the table while also keeping Dutch on a short leash with all his crazy ideas.
I’ll never forgive him the Tahiti holiday he promised and we never went in the end :(
I didn't even want to fo there. I wanted to go back to blackwater to get the money and move on. Not fail most damn heists
all i want is cultivated mangoes
At least he had a plan and it worked exactly like he planned (*kills himself*)
@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 I dont think there actually was any money in blackwater.
@@Jebu911 That's what you get after finishing the game in Micah's cabin. Or so they say.
3:31 the way dutch had so much anger is terrifying and then the batman and joker interrogation sound appeared
i just realized in the 6:45 scene that arthur was in the right side of dutch wearing blue,and micah was in the left side of dutch wearing red.. i think it symbolizes arthur being the angel’s voice of dutch,and micah is the devil’s voice of dutch.. and dutch, consumed by his greed and ambition picks the devil’s advice.. this game just never cease to stop delivering in philosophy lesson
Bullshit lol 😅, you could wear any cloth.
@@tripshift4914 but that outfit is Arthur’s canon outfit.
@John That's a jacket, the blue is the shirt
Something similar is shown with the ferry heist where depending on your honor, you receive either a blue vest or a red vest. Blue for high honor and red for low honor so I wouldn't be surprised if your explanation was true.
@John it depends dutch wear coat when in valentine because it's cold so it's same for Arthur it depends on temperature
Micah:We can make it
*10/10 rat voice*
Dutch: We need to make a lot of smoke
Arthur:
*STARTS COUGHING*
You planned that coughing tho...
You must be real desperate for the likes for you to impersonate a video game character. Sad little prck
@@letsride2024 bro’s replying to a comment from a year ago annoyed about a 16 year olds youtube account😭 Its good bro life gets better don’t worry, i’ll even like your comment for a little ego boost, god knows you need it💀
@@dutchvanderlinde4482 A year ago. Not 5 or 10. So you're still the same pretentious little attention seeking, lowlife, introvert daft fool. My life is good, you get the number of likes you wanted? 🤣🤣🤣
@@letsride2024 ngl bro, i’m sure you’re enjoying yourself thinking you’re winning an argument on a youtube comment, but there’s probably something more positive to do. You’re not happy if you’re trying to find an argument on youtube😭. I didn’t say 5 or 10 years ago, I said i’m 16 years old, and even I know this is a waste of time. Don’t get too triggered.
John return to beaver hollow is badass, he is shot and probably had to fight his way back with one hand. Damn
3:57 pretty scary even the whole gang
Arthur : *kills a lot of Cops,O' Driscolls and more*
Dutch : *kills one person*
Arthur : Dutch you must be out of your mind what is wrong with you..?
In my opinion all kill Arthur make was him defending himself or following Dutch's orders.
Like Vili Conor said It's the manner in which he kills them. Dutch had no reason to kill blind woman when she was no threat to them
@@MattRogan28 She pulled a knife on him.
@@memecliparchives2254 he really didn't have to kill her though
Andree Tungcab he was ready to kill her before she pulled out a knife
KyleBrickz what kinda thing do you do with Arthur I’m a good boah
Nice easter egg there. In RDR1 John says to Javier "It's either me or you and the way I look at it might as well be you"
3:55 when my crush finds me in her closet and threatens to call the cops
7:10 the moment Arthur realised that Dutch was gone
Nah it was before that :). When Dutch killed Cornwall he knew he wasn't the same anymore
@@danielfischer7908 he was kind if denying it then but that scene was the nail in the coffin
No it was def at 6:20
It was at 4:20
Holy shit what are the odds of it being the scene of Dutch feeding Angelo to an alligator? I just made a weed joke time stamp lol
"You killed my sons"
"Ohhh and I'll surely kill the rest of 'em"
Cold as Ice
But only if the old hag don't speak about Jack's location
Who said that
It is clear that Dutch went crazy since he learned about T A H I T I
The things a man will do for a tasty mango.
@@Liam-sl3ic It's cause his mango was to blow up
@@mullliner *HARHARHARHARHAR*
i went from having all my respect for dutch in the beginning bc he leaded the gang planned the robberies, which is really stressful, to absolutely having no respect for him. what he did to arthur at the end of chapter 6 is horrific and unforgivable
Put yourself in his place.. Dutch raised John Arthur, helped them, and saved their lives more than once, along with most of the gang members, until he ended up betraying him.. and Dutch did not know who the traitor was. Arthur is the person who disagrees with him the most at the end of the story. For this reason, he suspects that he is the traitor, but at the end of the game he recognizes the traitor and takes revenge on Micah.
6:23 i was hoping Arthur was gonna punch Dutch!!!
SERGEANT WOLVERINE HULK He most likely would have had had situation been different. He was clearly mad but at this point saw no point in starting fights.
@@Bread_Den Eagle Flies is dying on the horse there so he had his mind on other things.
KAKYOIN YOU BASTERD (Jjba reference)
It would be like punching your father, I would personally wouldn’t have the guts even being stronger than him, it’s more than that, there’s so much respect we all have to our father figures we would be betraying ourselves, he must do sth too fucking horrible to deserve punching by his own son
@@agustindetlefsen6944 hes only 5 years older lmao
5:25 The moment I turned against Dutch and started to hate him. Before I just disliked him because his plans were falling apart but this put the nail in the coffin.
i dont know about the italian one. the little weasel deserved to be eaten by gators
the braithwaite lady too
Same goes for the Braithwaite hag.
I didn't mind that old lady in Gurma either but he didn't even pick the gold off of her if I'm correct
@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 trust I was like bruh
Malcolm311 the problem is John and Arthur began to realize Dutch enjoys killing people and the whole point of kidnapping Bronte was to Ransom him.
Yeah but he took it to far i know he deserve it but his whole code WAS not doing that "Revenge is a fools game"
Him killing Micah at the end of the game really makes me think that he was losing it but after what happened with Arthur, he legitimately felt awful for what he did and tried to do everything in his power to make it right. I honestly don’t think he’s a bad person, he was just misguided by Micah and a little nuts, because if he really was a bad guy, he would’ve killed Adler and John and taken that money, because after years, he had everything he wanted, and threw it out to help John.