I don't think so. Lisa was one of the judges and mentor in Youth With You 2. She had a good look at both Chinese girls' skills on the survival show and she was less than impressed with them (in respectful way of course).
@@Miaia27 Lisa was a mentor in the chinese program where these girls were there.I think what the person meant is that lisa was less impressed by those 2 girls mentioned here. So it wouldnt have been better.
What?! Even Minju of ILLIT was in Babymonster & Gawon of MEOVV YG doesn’t want their trainees being seen before debut, the fact they showed their faces in a survival show is a big sign they’re not in the official lineup, so when they got selected there in YWY, YG doesn’t have to debut them YG doesn’t debut Chinese members that much, they already have Ahyeon now who can speak Mandarin, & that’s all they need
Nobody was "in Babymonster" until Babymonster officially was launched as a group. The final lineup was the group of trainees that YG decided to put into the official pre-debut promotions (the "Last Evaluation" series and the official "Introductions"). Anyone before that was just a member of a pool of trainees who were only CANDIDATES (i.e. people who were being considered, but not confirmed, with regard to MAYBE BECOMING members of the planned future official group). Unfortunately, a lot of videos and "reports" use inaccurate terminology that makes it sound like this person or that person was definitely going to be in the group and then got kicked out or left. That's not how it is. It's just a large group of trainees who want to become members of a planned group and everyone knows that not all of them will be...and in fact most of them won't be. Nobody who left before the official pre-debut promotions were created was ever in the "final lineup" and they definitely were not "members" of Babymonster.
These 2 Chinese members were not the only ones who missed out on being Babymonster members. There were a few others too, including someone like Kim Hanbyul, who left YG in 2020.
Yea, and I literally remember watching their videos on the babymonster channel before they got taken down, so I was so confused when I seen the new members.
@@thiagogermano7947 I now remembered Kang Seojin. She was talked about a lot. The other 2 weren't talked about a lot until their debuts but great to see both debuted for their respective groups.
Plus, it's silly to talk about any trainee being a confirmed member or in the "final lineup" until the lineup for the official pre-debut promotions is decided. In Babymonster there was no "final lineup" until YG decided which 7 trainees would appear in the "Last Evaluation" and "Introduction" series of pre-debut promotions. Even then, YG created extra drama by repeatedly saying that none of those 7 trainees was guaranteed to become a member of the official group. It's always weird how some people have this idea that the group membership is decided years before the actual debut and then they act like there was some unexpected thing that happened and someone was forced to leave the group...even though the group still didn't even exist at the time that they left.
There was actually Moon Sua who was that time still a YG trainee participated in Unpretty Rapstar. But well Moon Sua didnt make it to debut under YG tho
@@philiaapril like I said if they allowed it mostly that trainee will not make it to debut line. The only exception was that trainee should be YHS's fav or have massive solo stan like Yedam.
Rami said in an interview that all the members of Baby Monster are Aces, they are the best of the best among all those who participated to debut... so please don't talk nonsense
It isn’t that deep tbh. If they did not make the cut in a Chinese survival show, they wouldn’t make it as final member of Babymonster. YGE do not play around with their groups. You cannot just debut just because you’re good enough. You have to meet their standard, not the industry standard but YGE’s standard. How many groups do you see that is being marketed solely because of their talent. The first ep of The Last Evaluation, they were already introduced as seven ACES. NOT JUST TALENTED BUT ALL-AROUND TALENTED. You cannot make that up. You cannot fake talent. It’s either it’s there or isn’t. YGE knows to be confident in using babymonster’s talent as their only selling point. It’s working, at least for me, it is. They are selling out shows like hot pancakes.
More than 10 rumoured trainees claimed that they were in the lineup and left YG in 2020-2022 before YG NEXT MOVEMENT is announced. Some of them have already debuted with HYPE label.
@@inquisitvem6723she only trained with them but she left in 2019 and moved to tbl before they choose the final lineup which was they choose the final lineup in 2022
I also think that yg doesn't want chinese members because kpop groups can't promote in china and only chinese member can do their activities in china and for the language thing i think ahyeon speak Mandarin so communication is not the problem
Over 10 trainee fail to join Baemon not only 2 chinese girls they have 10 member practice before cut down to 7 and hell big yasssss Baemon didn't miss anything they were perfect with final 7 member
What i think is they trained everyone really well ofcourse its yg . But the most talented members are the current members of babymonster. others were really good too but can't beat talents of current members cause currently each member of babymonster can sing, rap , dance , compose , write , produce songs really well we all saw it , ruka sang pharita high notes in encore of see you there Seoul it was really scary for me like , a really good rapper is singing like this well ha ha. And ruka , rami , asa said that we want to release our self composed songs they said it in interview magazine with vivi japan. Its like a complete package.
They were just a bunch of trainees at that time, not the members. The 7 trainees that survived till last evaluation were our 7 girls. Then yg decided to keep all 7 of them. And I am 100% sure that being a 6month old group,they are absolutely good being 7.They have shown us what they can... But there is lot more for them to show us.... Almost all of them can compose songs..They have already proven to us in last evaluation. And their harmony as a group is just amazing to me... So now its better not to think if they were would it be better. Bcoz they were just trainees and not only them, others including hanbyul and stella even showed support to them when bm were introduced and when debuted too... So this is the process of survival and elimination and our 7 girls survived till the end of evaluation with their solid skills🔥🔥🔥
@@Cleo-m1t wdym?? The yg next movement was the first official video posted by yg entertainment on their official yt channel. In the same channel the 7 members were introduced through 7 introduction and 1 dance video... No other official videos were there where they confirmed or stated as bm's members...Others where just 'trainees'... Not only in bm, even in many other grps there were other trainees who were eliminated through the evaluations and survival programs.. & these were never bm's members. Only 7 trainees were officially mentioned and introduced by yg and they are our 7girls in babymonster.... That's It!!!
@@Cleo-m1tThey were only 'predebut trainees' not the 'members'. Only the current 7 girls were and are the members of babymonster.. And every group had predebut trainees who didnt make it to debut not only bm... That is the whole process.. Survival and elimination. Our current 7 girls were the only ones who survived and made it to debut. Others either got eliminated or left the company 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️ Doesnt matter now bcoz the current 7 members itself are a whole package which is hard to be changed by other ppl...so this is not relevant anymore. There is no need for more members. Bcoz bm is already more than great on their own as a 6 month old rookie group🔥🔥
@@jl2019ann No it wasn't a few years before there were a few videos posted abt the original members. I literally remember being confused when the new babymonster members had the new vids posted bc I didn't recognize them and I was already subscribed to the channel.
@@jl2019ann Believe what you want but I remember about the old members bc they had like 7 videos posted that got deleted and they literally had dance performances and vocal performances there.
There were actually up to 12 predebut trainees who were around right before the last evaluation. It was mentioned by a yg employee. Trainee group Team A & B were also supposed to be Baemon even before that, but most of the trainees left before or during the pandemic. But in those leaked trainee clips, it was to be certain that Baemon was always going to be within the 4 to 7 member range.
I'm always suspicious about anything attributed to an anonymous "yg employee". In my experience that type of phrase often turns out to even just be a translation error. Often, when I've been able to check the original Korean language source, it just says, in Korean, something like "someone connected to YG Entertainment" or "someone involved in the entertainment industry"....which actually can mean anything. It can even mean that the person who made up the report doesn't even have any real source. We saw a lot of that during all the rumors about the Blackpink contract situation...and most of those reports turned out to be very wrong.
You can’t say that they were lost members if they were never members to begin with. Just because they trained with them doesn’t mean that they were part of the group. I am sure that these 2 trainees were not the only one’s that didn’t make the group. This is true with all groups especially in KPop. YG trains these people for years but it doesn’t mean that they will debut. At the end of the day it depends on the big bosses like YG to decide who will be in the group or not.
Yeah. I always get frustrated with these kinds of reports that are based on rumors, guesses and unofficial things. They try to make it sound like there was already an official group and these trainees got kicked out of the group or decided to leave the group. The reality is that the process always starts with a large pool of trainees who are only being evaluated as candidates who maybe, potentially, possibly could eventually be selected for the planned future group. Even the "final lineup" for Babymonster was not a real thing until YG decided which 7 trainees would appear in the "Last Evaluation" and "Introductions" official pre-debut promotional shows.
When you see someone with an idol aura, you kind of know. For example, when you see Wonyoung of IVE, you can see her aura unlike ordinary girls. But I don't see any aura from these two girls.
@@KpopUnniesUwU I saw her rap video in official baby monster official channel but later it got deleted. I still remember there were also a great vocalist. Around 2022 last half there video was deleted.
@@pinkiepie2205 There is a video of her dancing in a training studio with Gawon from meovv and other tbl ex trainees and it says Black Label in the training studio, also she congratulated Gawon on her debut two weeks ago and said " among them, there’s a girl named Gawon and we were trainees together for a while... Watching TBL girl group finally debut after so long?? It brought up a lot of emotion "
There was no "final lineup" until YG decided which 7 trainees would appear in the official pre-debut promotional shows, namely, the "Last Evaluation" and "Introduction" series. Before that, it's just a large pool of trainees competing and hoping to be selected. The video here (and similar reports in the past) make people confused with inaccurate terminology. It's silly to talk about someone being a "member" of Babymonster who then "left" Babymonster years before Babymonster even officially debuted. It's silly to talk about someone leaving the "final lineup" at a time when there could not be a final lineup. Even during the official pre-debut promotions, YG refused to confirm who would be and who would not be the final members.
It's simple. If they were in the debut lineup they simply did not make the cut. They're talented but neither Vicky or Jane is outperforming the current BM lineup.
It would be a completely different category, actually. In this video they're talking about trainees who actually were only candidates who MAYBE had a shot at becoming members of a planned future group. But the way they report it, they make it sound like they were definitely members of some "final lineup" and then were kicked out. Very misleading. Ahyeon's case is totally different. She was in fact the FIRST member of Babymonster who was OFFICIALLY announced by Yang Hyun Suk himself. So she was already an officially confirmed member. The people talked about in this video were never officially confirmed as members of anything. They were just members of a large pool of trainees who were being evaluated as potential members, in circumstances where everyone knew that most of the trainees in the pool would not become members.
Actually YG planned for 5 member girl group even until the announcement after final evaluation (Planned other girl groups for Asa and Rora, instead). He changed his mind after seeing huge support for Asa and Rora.
Even though you're good, that doesn't necessarily translate into debuting, or that you'll fit the group dynamics. Each member has to have exceptional talent, by that it means you have to bring something different to the table, have youthful visuals that fits the group’s image, and are within a similar age range. I get it why some girls with a mature older look are let go simply bc it didn’t visuals fit the groups image.
The truth, whoever it may hurt, if you are a trainer you should not create expectations in anything, you are just a trainer, if you do not pass it is for a reason! Something is missing, that's all, YG does not debut just anyone, they do not debut only people who tell them what to do, they need artists who give opinions, who move on their own... many left YG and others were not selected and that is how it is, personally I prefer the current lineup, I do not see anyone else being part of BM..
They are not even come to korea so they are not even in a lineup of babymonster project. The concept of babymonster is to debut a group that have age of between 15 - 20. Whoever has more age than this wouldn't be in the lineup. So, these two never be in the lineup from day 1. YG never let their debut member to be seen before debut.
Actually 2000 liner is not old. There is 2001-2011 in Unis and 2001-2010 in Saymyname, and the age gap between the oldest to the second oldest is quite big! I think it’s about them didn’t prove their skills much in the company in China and Youth With You S2, so I think they didn’t make it to Korea to continue to the next step!❤
@@jesijesi7286 yeah i just remember there was a video of her dancing with other ex tbl trainess including julie of kiss of life in tbl training studio and the video i think it was in 2019/2020
Baby monster is OT7 , other trainee is a trainee. Never be member……. if you select a cat from a group of mix animal , So you can say dog is a pre-cat ? 😅
@@TheREALJUSTPRETTYALT sure , even she not in batter up. But she is member already since end of last evaluation and dream song. For other trainee ,i haven’t even seen her face yet. And as i say baby monster is OT7. if Ahyeon is not be there. . How can you call this group as a baby monster. Like Ruru ever say “monster without me just a baby “ So if ahyeon wasn’t there , i don’t even know her name . In case ahyeon is not selected into baby monster group . i will away support her for another group or what she want todo.
Hence proved that all evaluations were just a show for the viewers to see how talented the members were and to make them famous ever since the predebut yg really has played well with the marketing strategies And hence babymonster was never to be ot 5 and it was originally meant to be ot 7 only
this is so real, as a ywy2 and baemon fan its so sad to not see them debut in babymonster and in the final debut lineup of the show, theyre so talented but underrated
@@yuyu-wj7ph honestly everyone of them deserves to debut because theyre all all rounders and i wouldnt replace anyone in baemon, perhaps yg couldve put either the two girls or any of the baemon members in another group (just like how rora was meant to be the next gg's main vocal) but ya ik this isnt realistic since baemons debut was pushed back again and again. i was just expressing my thoughts about how badly i hoped they could debut in korea haha
nevertheless babymons7er's clique and closeness to unbreakable and their chemistry is just so good, both on and off stage, so i honestly think the final baemon lineup is THE BEST
Hopefully debut in another girl group, some trainees were not meant to debut with BABYMONSTER Maybe in a new K-pop group or they will debut in a C-pop group in China
"pre-debut member" is an oxymoron. It's like calling a candidate in a presidential election a "pre-election president". A trainee is not a "member" of an official group...when neither the group nor the member has debuted. At that point it's still only about things that maybe will or maybe won't happen. A more accurate term for these types of trainees is that they were "candidates" who were being considered for potentially/maybe becoming members. It's backwards to imply that they were confirmed to be members and then were kicked out or decided not to be members. The process always starts out with many trainees who are only candidates (and not "members" of anything other than a pool of trainees who maybe have a shot at debuting as members of an official group). We probably can't even talk about a "final lineup" until we get to the point in time where YG was willing to create an official YG-produced pre-debut/promotional reality show (to be seen by the public) for the 7 members who eventually became the official members of Babymonster. Even then, there was a possibility that someone could be eliminated if for some reason they turned out to be very unpopular or problematic in the official pre-debut promotions. But generally, when the official pre-debut promotions begin, it's safe to say that we're seeing the "final lineup" and anyone who is not included in the official pre-debut promotions was eliminated BEFORE the final lineup was decided.
1) them are old. Even older than ruka. 2) them diss YG even during trainee. That's just disrespectful because you are trainee . 3) them don't make cut because them don't have any specialty like current BM member.
Actually 2000 liner is not old. There is 2001-2011 in Unis and 2001-2010 in Saymyname, and the age gap between the oldest to the second oldest is quite big! I think it’s about them didn’t prove their skills much in the company in China and Youth With You S2, so I think they didn’t make it to Korea to continue to the next step!❤
@@OMGLYRIC123 Yeah! Just a cmt, you don’t have to throw anger over a cmt, chill! I just giving examples abt girl groups gap! Im a Monstiez and a Blink though!
please stfu lmao the casting director of yg herself said they don't care about age when they choose trainees and yg has debuted 2 25 year olds before.. age wasn't the problem. they just didn't fit and/or weren't talented enough
First of all, the security / political reason is the biggest cut, the serious problem between Korea and China due to the THAAD missile problem, The mutual hatred between the huge and old Korea and China is next, and for reference, the other Chinese trainees in YG were forced out at the time of the two debut groups, The Chinese hate Korea, but will Koreans tolerate them? I do not forgive myself, I am also a fan of Baby Monster,
We got another ex baemon trainee who made it... Minju of Illit... Gawon of Meow, Jullie of kiss of life! Jullie it's like a mini jennie! She CAN rap dude!!!
@@DomPotiguar julie was ex tbl trainee not yg and she said it herself , gawon trained in yg for 2 years and then left by herself in 2019 and moved to tbl
Hmmm.. Nobody mention political situation I mean China is communist country and kpop industry had very bad experience with Chinese idol members l wouldn't say what happened but every korean knows about that 😢 btw Did BP perform in Beijing?! 😂😂😂 YG isn't stupid.
@@tony36999 If that was the case then why was Ningning picked in Aespa? She is the key member of Aespa because of her vocal talent. Back to YG, the 2 Chinese members weren't selected and Lisa's insights into them during Youth With You 2 back in 2020 gave us clues as to why they were left out.
@@jesijesi7286 oh I didn't know. I thought she left in 2021 because I heard some people say she left in 2021 and joined tbl in the same year when she left yg
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Do you think BabyMonster could have been better with them in the lineup?
I don't think so. Lisa was one of the judges and mentor in Youth With You 2. She had a good look at both Chinese girls' skills on the survival show and she was less than impressed with them (in respectful way of course).
@@Miaia27 Lisa was a mentor in the chinese program where these girls were there.I think what the person meant is that lisa was less impressed by those 2 girls mentioned here. So it wouldnt have been better.
@@Miaia27 Lisa was strict to BM too but her assessments of the 7 BM members during their evaluations @YG were more positive.
@@jl2019ann Give me 5! Well said.
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What?! Even Minju of ILLIT was in Babymonster & Gawon of MEOVV
YG doesn’t want their trainees being seen before debut, the fact they showed their faces in a survival show is a big sign they’re not in the official lineup, so when they got selected there in YWY, YG doesn’t have to debut them
YG doesn’t debut Chinese members that much, they already have Ahyeon now who can speak Mandarin, & that’s all they need
gawon only trained with them but she left in 2019 and moved to tbl before they choose the final lineup which was they choose the final lineup in 2022
Nobody was "in Babymonster" until Babymonster officially was launched as a group. The final lineup was the group of trainees that YG decided to put into the official pre-debut promotions (the "Last Evaluation" series and the official "Introductions"). Anyone before that was just a member of a pool of trainees who were only CANDIDATES (i.e. people who were being considered, but not confirmed, with regard to MAYBE BECOMING members of the planned future official group). Unfortunately, a lot of videos and "reports" use inaccurate terminology that makes it sound like this person or that person was definitely going to be in the group and then got kicked out or left. That's not how it is. It's just a large group of trainees who want to become members of a planned group and everyone knows that not all of them will be...and in fact most of them won't be. Nobody who left before the official pre-debut promotions were created was ever in the "final lineup" and they definitely were not "members" of Babymonster.
These 2 Chinese members were not the only ones who missed out on being Babymonster members. There were a few others too, including someone like Kim Hanbyul, who left YG in 2020.
Yea, and I literally remember watching their videos on the babymonster channel before they got taken down, so I was so confused when I seen the new members.
Also:
ILLIT Minju
MEOVV Gawon
Kang Seojin
were probably the final OT10
@@thiagogermano7947 I now remembered Kang Seojin. She was talked about a lot. The other 2 weren't talked about a lot until their debuts but great to see both debuted for their respective groups.
YG will never allowed their trainee to participate in any survival show except their own. If they allowed it then that mean they'll not debut under YG
Damn right
Plus, it's silly to talk about any trainee being a confirmed member or in the "final lineup" until the lineup for the official pre-debut promotions is decided. In Babymonster there was no "final lineup" until YG decided which 7 trainees would appear in the "Last Evaluation" and "Introduction" series of pre-debut promotions. Even then, YG created extra drama by repeatedly saying that none of those 7 trainees was guaranteed to become a member of the official group. It's always weird how some people have this idea that the group membership is decided years before the actual debut and then they act like there was some unexpected thing that happened and someone was forced to leave the group...even though the group still didn't even exist at the time that they left.
There was actually Moon Sua who was that time still a YG trainee participated in Unpretty Rapstar. But well Moon Sua didnt make it to debut under YG tho
@@philiaapril like I said if they allowed it mostly that trainee will not make it to debut line. The only exception was that trainee should be YHS's fav or have massive solo stan like Yedam.
Rami said in an interview that all the members of Baby Monster are Aces, they are the best of the best among all those who participated to debut... so please don't talk nonsense
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Simply because they where once a YG trainee doesn't mean they where supposed to debut with baby monster
It isn’t that deep tbh. If they did not make the cut in a Chinese survival show, they wouldn’t make it as final member of Babymonster. YGE do not play around with their groups. You cannot just debut just because you’re good enough. You have to meet their standard, not the industry standard but YGE’s standard. How many groups do you see that is being marketed solely because of their talent. The first ep of The Last Evaluation, they were already introduced as seven ACES. NOT JUST TALENTED BUT ALL-AROUND TALENTED. You cannot make that up. You cannot fake talent. It’s either it’s there or isn’t. YGE knows to be confident in using babymonster’s talent as their only selling point. It’s working, at least for me, it is. They are selling out shows like hot pancakes.
More than 10 rumoured trainees claimed that they were in the lineup and left YG in 2020-2022 before YG NEXT MOVEMENT is announced. Some of them have already debuted with HYPE label.
Gawon of Meovv left YG and trained with BM
@@inquisitvem6723she only trained with them but she left in 2019 and moved to tbl before they choose the final lineup which was they choose the final lineup in 2022
@@ShahadkiiMEOVV members all were trained in YG Entertainment. TBL's headquarters was the old YG building. TBL just moved out this year.
@@MainRapperACEsahi tbl과 yg는 트레이닝센터도 방식도 다릅니다. Yg의 옛건물을 사용한다고해서 yg의 트레이닝을 받은건 아니예요. 말그대로 예전 사옥일뿐입니다. Babymonster와 meovv는 illit처럼 아무관계없는 그룹입니다.
Illit의 민주처럼 한때 yg의 연습생이었지만 선발경쟁에서 탈락했어요 그게다입니다.
I also think that yg doesn't want chinese members because kpop groups can't promote in china and only chinese member can do their activities in china and for the language thing i think ahyeon speak Mandarin so communication is not the problem
They had 10 pre-debut members, not 9. In some shots in babymonster survival u can see 3 more girls blurred out
Over 10 trainee fail to join Baemon not only 2 chinese girls they have 10 member practice before cut down to 7 and hell big yasssss Baemon didn't miss anything they were perfect with final 7 member
What i think is they trained everyone really well ofcourse its yg . But the most talented members are the current members of babymonster. others were really good too but can't beat talents of current members cause currently each member of babymonster can sing, rap , dance , compose , write , produce songs really well we all saw it , ruka sang pharita high notes in encore of see you there Seoul it was really scary for me like , a really good rapper is singing like this well ha ha. And ruka , rami , asa said that we want to release our self composed songs they said it in interview magazine with vivi japan. Its like a complete package.
They were just a bunch of trainees at that time, not the members. The 7 trainees that survived till last evaluation were our 7 girls. Then yg decided to keep all 7 of them. And I am 100% sure that being a 6month old group,they are absolutely good being 7.They have shown us what they can... But there is lot more for them to show us.... Almost all of them can compose songs..They have already proven to us in last evaluation. And their harmony as a group is just amazing to me... So now its better not to think if they were would it be better. Bcoz they were just trainees and not only them, others including hanbyul and stella even showed support to them when bm were introduced and when debuted too... So this is the process of survival and elimination and our 7 girls survived till the end of evaluation with their solid skills🔥🔥🔥
Yea but they were also posted as babymonster members on the channel until the videos got taken away.
@@Cleo-m1t wdym?? The yg next movement was the first official video posted by yg entertainment on their official yt channel. In the same channel the 7 members were introduced through 7 introduction and 1 dance video... No other official videos were there where they confirmed or stated as bm's members...Others where just 'trainees'... Not only in bm, even in many other grps there were other trainees who were eliminated through the evaluations and survival programs.. & these were never bm's members. Only 7 trainees were officially mentioned and introduced by yg and they are our 7girls in babymonster.... That's It!!!
@@Cleo-m1tThey were only 'predebut trainees' not the 'members'. Only the current 7 girls were and are the members of babymonster.. And every group had predebut trainees who didnt make it to debut not only bm... That is the whole process.. Survival and elimination. Our current 7 girls were the only ones who survived and made it to debut. Others either got eliminated or left the company 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️ Doesnt matter now bcoz the current 7 members itself are a whole package which is hard to be changed by other ppl...so this is not relevant anymore. There is no need for more members. Bcoz bm is already more than great on their own as a 6 month old rookie group🔥🔥
@@jl2019ann No it wasn't a few years before there were a few videos posted abt the original members. I literally remember being confused when the new babymonster members had the new vids posted bc I didn't recognize them and I was already subscribed to the channel.
@@jl2019ann Believe what you want but I remember about the old members bc they had like 7 videos posted that got deleted and they literally had dance performances and vocal performances there.
There were actually up to 12 predebut trainees who were around right before the last evaluation. It was mentioned by a yg employee.
Trainee group Team A & B were also supposed to be Baemon even before that, but most of the trainees left before or during the pandemic. But in those leaked trainee clips, it was to be certain that Baemon was always going to be within the 4 to 7 member range.
I'm always suspicious about anything attributed to an anonymous "yg employee". In my experience that type of phrase often turns out to even just be a translation error. Often, when I've been able to check the original Korean language source, it just says, in Korean, something like "someone connected to YG Entertainment" or "someone involved in the entertainment industry"....which actually can mean anything. It can even mean that the person who made up the report doesn't even have any real source. We saw a lot of that during all the rumors about the Blackpink contract situation...and most of those reports turned out to be very wrong.
You can’t say that they were lost members if they were never members to begin with. Just because they trained with them doesn’t mean that they were part of the group. I am sure that these 2 trainees were not the only one’s that didn’t make the group. This is true with all groups especially in KPop. YG trains these people for years but it doesn’t mean that they will debut. At the end of the day it depends on the big bosses like YG to decide who will be in the group or not.
Gawon of Meovv left YG and originally trained with BM
Yeah. I always get frustrated with these kinds of reports that are based on rumors, guesses and unofficial things. They try to make it sound like there was already an official group and these trainees got kicked out of the group or decided to leave the group. The reality is that the process always starts with a large pool of trainees who are only being evaluated as candidates who maybe, potentially, possibly could eventually be selected for the planned future group. Even the "final lineup" for Babymonster was not a real thing until YG decided which 7 trainees would appear in the "Last Evaluation" and "Introductions" official pre-debut promotional shows.
When you see someone with an idol aura, you kind of know. For example, when you see Wonyoung of IVE, you can see her aura unlike ordinary girls. But I don't see any aura from these two girls.
Even Julie from Kiss of Life was rumoured to be a part of baemon's previous final lineup
She was not rumour, she is The Black Label ex trainee, The Black Label used to be a sub-label of YG that’s why many ppl thought she will be in Baemon!
@@KpopUnniesUwU I saw her rap video in official baby monster official channel but later it got deleted. I still remember there were also a great vocalist. Around 2022 last half there video was deleted.
@@pinkiepie2205 There is a video of her dancing in a training studio with Gawon from meovv and other tbl ex trainees and it says Black Label in the training studio, also she congratulated Gawon on her debut two weeks ago and said " among them, there’s a girl named Gawon and we were trainees together for a while... Watching TBL girl group finally debut after so long?? It brought up a lot of emotion "
There was no "final lineup" until YG decided which 7 trainees would appear in the official pre-debut promotional shows, namely, the "Last Evaluation" and "Introduction" series. Before that, it's just a large pool of trainees competing and hoping to be selected. The video here (and similar reports in the past) make people confused with inaccurate terminology. It's silly to talk about someone being a "member" of Babymonster who then "left" Babymonster years before Babymonster even officially debuted. It's silly to talk about someone leaving the "final lineup" at a time when there could not be a final lineup. Even during the official pre-debut promotions, YG refused to confirm who would be and who would not be the final members.
Julie was meant to be a member of meovv not babymonster
I also was in babymonster but later I thought let's become their fan
It's simple. If they were in the debut lineup they simply did not make the cut. They're talented but neither Vicky or Jane is outperforming the current BM lineup.
BABYMONSTER OT9
If Ahyeon didn’t come back, this video would be about her…
okay
Now that I look back at it. This comment hits HARD
It would be a completely different category, actually. In this video they're talking about trainees who actually were only candidates who MAYBE had a shot at becoming members of a planned future group. But the way they report it, they make it sound like they were definitely members of some "final lineup" and then were kicked out. Very misleading. Ahyeon's case is totally different. She was in fact the FIRST member of Babymonster who was OFFICIALLY announced by Yang Hyun Suk himself. So she was already an officially confirmed member. The people talked about in this video were never officially confirmed as members of anything. They were just members of a large pool of trainees who were being evaluated as potential members, in circumstances where everyone knew that most of the trainees in the pool would not become members.
Ahyeon had already been chosen, only sick because of her hiatus, beyond the imagination of many she did debut.
Actually YG planned for 5 member girl group even until the announcement after final evaluation (Planned other girl groups for Asa and Rora, instead). He changed his mind after seeing huge support for Asa and Rora.
Babymonster is perfect now . Idk no hate to the trainees but if ur under a company you can't just say anything and then expect to debut
if it was ahyeon you woudln't say that
@@TheREALJUSTPRETTYALTbecause YG introduced her
Even though you're good, that doesn't necessarily translate into debuting, or that you'll fit the group dynamics. Each member has to have exceptional talent, by that it means you have to bring something different to the table, have youthful visuals that fits the group’s image, and are within a similar age range. I get it why some girls with a mature older look are let go simply bc it didn’t visuals fit the groups image.
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They were not that great, I mean, they are talented but not at the level that the current BM members are.
Gawon of Meovv left YG and originally trained with BM. She has great stage presence and vocal tone
@@inquisitvem6723 Sure. I was referring to the two Chinese members
Stage presence, yes, but what about singing abilities
@@inquisitvem6723 that's the product of YG!
Rami during Lee Mujin service said the current seven BM members were the aces amongst YG trainees.
The truth, whoever it may hurt, if you are a trainer you should not create expectations in anything, you are just a trainer, if you do not pass it is for a reason! Something is missing, that's all, YG does not debut just anyone, they do not debut only people who tell them what to do, they need artists who give opinions, who move on their own... many left YG and others were not selected and that is how it is, personally I prefer the current lineup, I do not see anyone else being part of BM..
They are not even come to korea so they are not even in a lineup of babymonster project. The concept of babymonster is to debut a group that have age of between 15 - 20. Whoever has more age than this wouldn't be in the lineup. So, these two never be in the lineup from day 1. YG never let their debut member to be seen before debut.
Actually 2000 liner is not old. There is 2001-2011 in Unis and 2001-2010 in Saymyname, and the age gap between the oldest to the second oldest is quite big! I think it’s about them didn’t prove their skills much in the company in China and Youth With You S2, so I think they didn’t make it to Korea to continue to the next step!❤
guess ruka and chiquita are not in babymonster then? lmao quit yapping little child
They're out of the competition. That's all.
One of the Meovv member was the predebut Trainee with BM
she only trained with them but she left in 2021and moved to tbl before they choose the final lineup which was they choose the final lineup in 2022
@@Shahadkiishe left yg actually in 2019, long time ago and joined black label.
@@jesijesi7286 yeah i just remember there was a video of her dancing with other ex tbl trainess including julie of kiss of life in tbl training studio and the video i think it was in 2019/2020
Very informative❤❤
YG has xxx number of trainees. Only the 7 current members made the cut. All others are YG rejects. 🤷♂️🤷♀️🤷
BabyMons7er Power Of 7
Before the agency announces the official debut lineup ,Anything can change.
Baby monster is OT7 , other trainee is a trainee. Never be member……. if you select a cat from a group of mix animal , So you can say dog is a pre-cat ? 😅
if ahyeon wasnt there u wouldnt say thst
@@TheREALJUSTPRETTYALT sure , even she not in batter up. But she is member already since end of last evaluation and dream song. For other trainee ,i haven’t even seen her face yet. And as i say baby monster is OT7. if Ahyeon is not be there. . How can you call this group as a baby monster. Like Ruru ever say “monster without me just a baby “
So if ahyeon wasn’t there , i don’t even know her name . In case ahyeon is not selected into baby monster group . i will away support her for another group or what she want todo.
BABYMONSTER OT10 #10JENNIE NOT 7JENNIE
@@irispong3169 provin my point
Hence proved that all evaluations were just a show for the viewers to see how talented the members were and to make them famous ever since the predebut yg really has played well with the marketing strategies
And hence babymonster was never to be ot 5 and it was originally meant to be ot 7 only
this is so real, as a ywy2 and baemon fan its so sad to not see them debut in babymonster and in the final debut lineup of the show, theyre so talented but underrated
If these two debut, who will they replace in BM? Because none of BM is weak. The rap line is strong and the vocal line is strong.
@@yuyu-wj7ph honestly everyone of them deserves to debut because theyre all all rounders and i wouldnt replace anyone in baemon, perhaps yg couldve put either the two girls or any of the baemon members in another group (just like how rora was meant to be the next gg's main vocal) but ya ik this isnt realistic since baemons debut was pushed back again and again. i was just expressing my thoughts about how badly i hoped they could debut in korea haha
nevertheless babymons7er's clique and closeness to unbreakable and their chemistry is just so good, both on and off stage, so i honestly think the final baemon lineup is THE BEST
Thank you for this information!
Bro this is so underrated 😭💖
Minju from ILLIT was YG trainee too
All both have 24 years old in 2023
Huh? I didnt even saw them in YG movement where they chose the members of bb monster. And YG dont allow trainees to do a side hassle before debut.
No way Babymonster is better the way it is. ( for your last question)
They kinda look older in bm
Hopefully debut in another girl group, some trainees were not meant to debut with BABYMONSTER
Maybe in a new K-pop group or they will debut in a C-pop group in China
"pre-debut member" is an oxymoron. It's like calling a candidate in a presidential election a "pre-election president". A trainee is not a "member" of an official group...when neither the group nor the member has debuted. At that point it's still only about things that maybe will or maybe won't happen. A more accurate term for these types of trainees is that they were "candidates" who were being considered for potentially/maybe becoming members. It's backwards to imply that they were confirmed to be members and then were kicked out or decided not to be members. The process always starts out with many trainees who are only candidates (and not "members" of anything other than a pool of trainees who maybe have a shot at debuting as members of an official group). We probably can't even talk about a "final lineup" until we get to the point in time where YG was willing to create an official YG-produced pre-debut/promotional reality show (to be seen by the public) for the 7 members who eventually became the official members of Babymonster. Even then, there was a possibility that someone could be eliminated if for some reason they turned out to be very unpopular or problematic in the official pre-debut promotions. But generally, when the official pre-debut promotions begin, it's safe to say that we're seeing the "final lineup" and anyone who is not included in the official pre-debut promotions was eliminated BEFORE the final lineup was decided.
RJing from SM is a powerhouse vocals but she was cut off.
She is lucky that are in this unpopular group 😬😬
1) them are old. Even older than ruka.
2) them diss YG even during trainee. That's just disrespectful because you are trainee .
3) them don't make cut because them don't have any specialty like current BM member.
Actually 2000 liner is not old. There is 2001-2011 in Unis and 2001-2010 in Saymyname, and the age gap between the oldest to the second oldest is quite big! I think it’s about them didn’t prove their skills much in the company in China and Youth With You S2, so I think they didn’t make it to Korea to continue to the next step!❤
Yep
@@KpopUnniesUwU that in Unis. We don't fckin care. This is YG
@@OMGLYRIC123 Yeah! Just a cmt, you don’t have to throw anger over a cmt, chill! I just giving examples abt girl groups gap! Im a Monstiez and a Blink though!
please stfu lmao the casting director of yg herself said they don't care about age when they choose trainees and yg has debuted 2 25 year olds before.. age wasn't the problem. they just didn't fit and/or weren't talented enough
Please do one on STAYC’s lydia
THERE COULD HAVE BEEN 9 MEMBERS!!??!!
what?? chiquita fharita are thailand and asa and ruka are japan what is wrong with the language(people said yg dont let chinese people to dubut😡
Obviously they weren't good enough for YGE.
They are awesome too 🎉God bless✝️
Vicky was my favorite tho
Minju of ILLIT was also gonna be under yg with baemon but she left yg and joint BE:LIFT
Why did I thought it was rora on the thumbnail
Yg has discrimination against Chinese trainees
First of all, the security / political reason is the biggest cut, the serious problem between Korea and China due to the THAAD missile problem,
The mutual hatred between the huge and old Korea and China is next, and for reference, the other Chinese trainees in YG were forced out at the time of the two debut groups,
The Chinese hate Korea, but will Koreans tolerate them? I do not forgive myself, I am also a fan of Baby Monster,
We got another ex baemon trainee who made it... Minju of Illit... Gawon of Meow, Jullie of kiss of life!
Jullie it's like a mini jennie! She CAN rap dude!!!
@@DomPotiguar julie was ex tbl trainee not yg and she said it herself , gawon trained in yg for 2 years and then left by herself in 2019 and moved to tbl
sorry but the visual didn't fit with other BM member
But Minju from illit and Gabon from meovv were also going to be in the group to
IT WAS WINNI NOT HER
I doubt YG would ever debut a Chinese national it's their preference since the start
all group have lost members
Especially when the group is famous 😆😆😆
The most reazon, are their ages😢
yg has own standard maybe they didnt pass
Hmmm.. Nobody mention political situation I mean China is communist country and kpop industry had very bad experience with Chinese idol members l wouldn't say what happened but every korean knows about that 😢 btw Did BP perform in Beijing?! 😂😂😂 YG isn't stupid.
@@tony36999 If that was the case then why was Ningning picked in Aespa? She is the key member of Aespa because of her vocal talent. Back to YG, the 2 Chinese members weren't selected and Lisa's insights into them during Youth With You 2 back in 2020 gave us clues as to why they were left out.
Yeah that's true, as an exol I know how hard it is to debut Chinese members
Maybe they were not really meant for kpop esp. in babymonster
They are too old to be in BM
THEY LIKE LIP SYNC AND NOT LIVE PERFORMANCE
No. The two did not make the cut. End of story. Stop spinning.
Gawon of Meovv left YG and had trained with BM
she only trained with them but she left in 2021and moved to tbl before they choose the final lineup which was they choose the final lineup in 2022
@@Shahadkiigawon left yg in 2019 , 5 years ago.
@@jesijesi7286 oh I didn't know. I thought she left in 2021 because I heard some people say she left in 2021 and joined tbl in the same year when she left yg
Gawon has incredible stage presence.
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LOL no one asked where the two chinese members were
only chinese ppl were anticipating it hard truth
Only one girl can sing and others are bad singers
this video is so repetitive
2:27 Uhhm you mean 2ne1, Bigbang and Blackpink... Don't forget 2ne1
Yes
What about An Qi who was introduced as « An Qi babymonster » ??