Thank you for releasing these in-depth, informative videos like no one else while not selling out and even giving me motherboard advice a few years ago when I spontaneously wrote to you, KUTGW kind soul!
I just bought this board not too long ago and this review made me feel a lot better about my decision of buying it over other more expensive boards. Thank you!
@@pokealong I’ve almost always used exclusively ASUS boards (except one time I got ASRock and regretted it) but this time around with the LGA1718(AM5) boards the ASUS options were just too expensive and didn’t really offer that much more in terms of value. So far I’ve really enjoyed the Gigabyte board and haven’t had any issues. I’d also say the Gigabyte boars UEFI interface is very good when compared to ASUS and the one feature I absolutely love about it is that you can flash the bios and it retains all your settings.
@@ProXcaliber Haha funny you mention ASRock. I got all ASUS until I got one ASRock, returned it within a couple weeks and got another ASUS. When I went from my 3600x to my 12700k I went with MSI and it's been treating me really well so far, as has their 3080 Ti which is the first non-EVGA GPU I've owned in over a decade. Good overclocking, super fast NVME speeds, and no power issues. The UEFI isn't great, kind of a cluttered mess until you learn it. But it's not horrendous or anything. I do wish it had better flashing and recovery settings.
I went ahead and placed an order for this board a few days ago after looking at your other video of the x670 aorus extreme. I looked at the pictures and they looked very similar. Thanks for the very informative videos.
You'd get all of the bandwidth out of a 10G card on PCIe 3.0 2x link, that is still 2GB/s. Most stuff that has 4x lanes would probably be fine as long as they did also support PCIe 3.0 a lot of add-in cards use more PCIe lanes than necessary just due to an assumption that someone might want to install it on some really old system with PCIe 2.0 or something.
@@NavinF I actually did this because the Solarflare NICs I bought where dual port. In my case my NAS seems to just saturate a single 10G link. Using multiple links either using link aggregation on both machines (which shows up as a single 20Gb link) or using SMB multichannel showed a whopping 20MB/s improvement I should be able to get a little more maybe but the hardware my NAS is based on is kind of old, It's a 4690K machine running truenas
I get a kick out of the dual 8pin power connectors too. It's like having a bigger fuel pump when the injectors are too small to use it. But yeah, it looks cool! It's rather nice they're putting overkill VRMs on the budget boards, but I don't like how they completely gut the overall feature set otherwise. Why not tame down the VRMs a little and give a better I/O setup and a modern audio codec? I totally agree on the cooling design for VRMs. I figure most people who are running a high end setup are going to be water cooling, which means there will be little airflow around the VRM sinks to extract the heat from the dense stacks. They'd be better off with the overkill VRM and extruded heatsinks like this than the fancy fin stacks. Tells me it all more for style than function, wasting money while passing the buck to us.
a 10Gbe card would work just fine on the 3x2 slot, alternatively you could slot an additional usb g2 card in there, or just a big usb card in general, sometimes you need this for complex VR tracking setups. You could also just slot another m.2 drive in there if you want, or SATA/SAS, after all this board's definitely designed for big data users...
Onboard Wifi/Bluetooth can stop working, or you can break the antenna connectors. It happened to my B450 ITX this year outside of warranty. Having the option to use a Wifi PCIE card is still important even if you have one.
The reduction in SATA ports is AMD not having CPU dedicated SATA ports, so now they all have to come from the chipset and 2 SATA ports pulls 2 PCI-E lanes, so more SATA is less M.2 and we all know how much MB makers love M.2 slots.
1x PCI-E 4 is enough for 10Gbit ethernet at half duplex. 1 PCI-E 4 lane is 1.94 GB/s and 10Gbps is 1.25 GB/s. The remaining 0.69 accounts for all the communication slack. 2x can be for full duplex. Or x4 as you said if you are on PCI-E 3. So the 2x is for full duplex 10Gbit, but can be for half duplex if the card is PCI-E 3. It could also be for what you rejected initially. Capture cards are 4x PCI-E 3. If you make them PCI-E 4 then by 2 is enough for 4k/60 HDR or 4k/120, and if done well even for 8k/60 with >1:10 compression (7680x * 4320y * 40bpp * 60fps).
@@marsovac Yes, in fact some boards with AQC107 onboard already does that. It is when you drop down to 3.0 x1 and 2.0 x2 that you lose throughput, but even then it can still run full-duplex. None of my 10G Ethernet net cards even allow me to choose half-duplex mode, I don't think it is a thing at all for multi-gig Ethernet. I have an X540-T2 in my old FX machine running TrueNAS and OPNsense, my PCs run AQC107 or AQC113.
Usb, sata controllers and other peripheral expansion cards in that bottom slot. Not much consumer demand for them but what I tend to use extra slots for. There are very good reason to have "known good" usb controller chips as cheap as media controllers are incompatible with quite a few high performance usb devices like oculus rift cameras etc.
Pretty nice board... It may be double than what id pay for a new board but its really good. This amount of USB Ports should be standard on all boards! Makes me hope that B650 boards will also have some fancy upgrades and wont just be basically B550 PCBs with a B650 Chipset and an AM5 Socket slapped on.
I have the Revised version of this board on my new build and it's horrible. Keeps rebooting no matter what bios version I use, all to no avail. Not sure if it's the MB itself or a conflict with memory or what. There is some kind of cover over the CMOS on my revision and I wanted to remove the battery itself since the clear CMOS but isn't helping despite clearing in theory....Frustrating.
Are you planning on doing a PCB breakdown of the LE A770, they claim the 228w core max PL is set because of the vrm, interested in hearing your thoughts
11:00 doesn't it reduce heat inside the cable by running two in parallel? Like yeah one cable can do up to 400W, but it will also dissipate some of that as heat, if you divide it into two cables, it's much better isn't it? Like even if it doesn't even come close to maximum operating parameters, it still can't be fully safe to have a cpu cable cycle up to god knows how many degrees of heat and then cool down
Connectors are usually rated to 85C and I doubt they'd get that hot here. 7A per terminal is probably quite safe here and with four circuits (four terminals for 12V and 4 terminals for GND), that's 28A at 12V, that's 336W on a single 8-pin EPS12V cable. Connecting both 8-pins certainly won't hurt anything, and it would technically reduce the overall resistance and inductance added by the cables, but it very likely isn't necessary. I connect them anyway just for the warm fuzzies. I'd say connect them if your PSU supports them, just because, but otherwise don't worry about them.
G'day Buildzoid, Prices for AM5 for some reason are above our exchange rate of 1.5 for some reason, someone in the pipeline filling their pockets I guess, here in Sydney the X670 Aorus Elite AX is $599AUD & the cheapest in stock is MSI PRO X670-P WIFI $539AUD. The cheapest listed the ASUS PRIME X670-P $499AUD for pre-order
@@BusAlexey Yes I know that & include it in my price comparison, but the difference is greater than the 1.5x + Tax in US, I have done the price comparison with NOAB Danny, most US Sales tax is under 10% so it should be under $540AUD. Also it is not Shipping as Shipping from Asia to Australia is cheaper than USA.
@@BusAlexey nVIDIA did this themselves with RTX3000 too, it was the first time we were able to buy direct from them & when we were at 1.2-1.3x USD during the releases down here direct from nVIDIA (So no Scalpers) they were 1.8-2.3x USD + Shipping which was way over priced too. While AMD 6000 even through stores were at most 1.25x before prices went STOOPID everywhere.
I just bought this exact board a day before they released the B650 boards, and now I'm glad I bought this one after seeing the prices on a lot of the B650 boards being only a few dollars cheaper. I think taking that into account the extra bit of cost for this board is well worth it. The only downside I dislike about this one so far is the no post code display but it does give you a decent online manual to diagnose issues.
The rear I/O of this Elite isn't too different from its X570 ancestor, 2 more 5gig usb ports and a rear type C port with a 2.5 Lan instead of 1gig Lan...and the Qflash has been moved from the bottom of the PCB to the rear I/O For what it was I thought the x570 aorus elite was a great board
But this is an 8 layer PCB motherboard. First generation X570 Elite is on a 4 layer PCB, X570S Elite use a 6 layer PCB . Significant upgrade from X570. In X570, only the X570 Xtreme gets an 8 layer PCB.
@@fleurdewin7958 8 layers for the Xtreme but the V1.0 are garbage, full of bugs with losing some USB and the 10Gb NIC, if you make an RMA they send you back another V1.0 (not1.2 or2.0) who finish to fail six month later !
Sending mine back. It's a brick. Won't recognize my Vengeance or Dominator Corsair AM. Halts with a Red RAM error ligth and won't post, beep, or display video. WOrse, I tried to Qflash upgrade the bios on it using a USB stick and GIGABYTE.BIN file and pressing the Qflash button with PSU connect and powered on. Nothing. USBstick will light up brieflyt hen nothing, no reads or writes for 5 minutes. Either I got a dud or this was a bad recommendation.
Any idea how many LEDs are on this board? OpenRGB thinks there are some, I guess around the VRMs and wants to know the number of LEDs to get them working....other than this, ya this board is just fine! Enjoying my new system, except my keyboard (K70) doesn't work until Windows is loaded...not sure how to fix that.
PCI-e x2 v3 would still give you 16 Gbps per direction, so it would be enough for a 10Gbps NIC - Though it would end up struggling if you used 2 ports...
Great Video Thank You! Just bought one, They think they are saving money by not including a manual, Now people have problems and just ship them back, They are stupid! I bet it changes soon! 219.00
have a little troubleshoot question...maybe someone can help me... on startup all 4 LED turn on 1by1 for 1-2 seconds but the VGA LED stay on for like 10 seconds...after windows loads all LED are off and system works normaly... also i'm not sure if the CPU LED turns on or the cycle starts with DRAM LED followed by VGA and BOOT LED...also all fans go wild for few seconds and MB beeps twice before the windows loads
The rumor is that initial board prices are deliberately inflated by ~20%. They should lose that premium soon, though, given that Raptor Lake is coming in cheaper than expected.
I bought this board, revision 1.0 and my MSi 40670 Ventus 3x comes wednesday. Going to build this saturday and put in a Ryzen 9 7950X3D. I'm not well versed in PC builds but can you tell me what is the drama surrounding this board and BIOS updates? I want to make sure I can fully utilize it but not sure what i should do concerning the BIOS
Great video, but could I ask what to do if the PBO setting doesn't listen to me? If I set the PPT to 480W, the processor still takes 108W max and its temperature doesn't exceed 77 degrees. I don't understand why it does this. I have the max for temperature set at 85 degrees. Thank you all in advance for any help and answers.
@Actually Hardcore Overclocking I have this board and the bios wont flash/update. Anyone updated a bios on one of the boards? the bios flash utility reads the bios on the thumb drive then says, bios ism protected by secure flash, it is going to reboot. it reboots and hangs up. I have to hold in the power button till it shuts down. No up date. I want to turn off secure flash.
Am I alone in thinking that I want PCIE 5.0 x16 for future GPUs? Only X670E and B650E support this. With MCM GPUs dawning and with Storage IO now supporting GPU decryption, I feel like PCIE 5.0 will be needed within the next 6yr. And, lower end cards may be only x8 PCIE lanes, like some of the RX 6000 cards where PCIE 3.0 x8 bottlenecks some of the PCIE 4.0 x8 cards. What if the 8600 XT is only PCIE 5.0 x8 and is bottlenecked by PCIE 4.0? I also want 2x USB-C 20Gbps. Only X670 and X670E provide this. Adding a second 20Gbps port via a PCIE x4 card will cost $55. So, if X670E is only $50-$60 more than a B650, you’d gain a PCIE slot and reduce hassle. IO is a big deal in the longevity of a system. Basically, I think X670E is the way to go.
Well, as of right now you need gen4x16 for a card that is more powerful than rtx 3090 and direct storage is like a non issue. But yeah if they pull some weird/dumb cards with x2/x4 bandwidth they might be an issue. As for USB 20gpbs if you need 2 ports buy a mobo with those ofc lol sadly the expansion cards are expensive.
@@Austin1990 Well, usually new GPUs are released every 2 years as of right now the RTX 4090 has plenty of free bandwidth on gen4 and it's very unlikely it will be saturated with the 5xxx series even if you take in to account direct storage. Those are my 2cents of course. I personally expect the need for PCI-E 5.0x16 after 2026, since the 5xxx series should be released after 2024.
@@SviatoslavDamaschin The 6600XT has only x8 lanes, and it is bottlenecked in PCIE 3.0 motherboards. It needs PCIE 4.0. I guess you could argue that such a system should not be configured with a mid range GPU. I bought a X370 for a Ryzen 5 1600 budget build. I put a 5600X in it, and the system was revitalized. The extra $25-$50 put into the board was WELL worth the investment vs boards that only support up to Zen 2.
I usually get a basic board 75Us cheap memory, no overclocking here allocate all the money to the GPU game higher than 1440p strictly gaming and internet machine.
Hello mate, i have x670 gaming X AX it;s almoust the same as the one you pressent here :D by any chanse do you know what size (dimmensions) of the thermal pads used on the chipset !? the stock one's are diving me crazy i have 70 degrees in idle temperatures while the rest of the parts are "feezeing" ...cpu 35 degrees ( 7800x3d ) gpu 40 also in idle ...airflow it;s more than decent and i just want to try to replace the thermal pads but I CAN'T FIND THE PROPER ONES NO WHERE ! they are like sand with sparkes in it :D and the size it;s just beyond me ! thx so much in advance !
Does anybody have any friggin clue how to get that massive norhtbridge/southbridge heat sink off to get to the CMOS battery underneath ????The CMOS battery is in the bottom right corner, but there is a massive passive black heat sink over everything including hte CMOS battery holder.
Pretty sure the screws are on the backside. But unless you are losing settings when you unplug power you don’t need to remove the battery. There is a clear cmos jumper AND clear cmos button to reset settings.
most of my audience is in the US and due to conversion rates and VAT the GBP price for most computer hardware is the same as the USD price. Like right now this board is 290GBP in the UK: uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/m7mmP6/gigabyte-x670-aorus-elite-ax-rev-10-atx-am5-motherboard-x670-aorus-elite-ax-rev-10
Hello, I'm looking to upgrade my PC sometime soon. Just wanted your opinion if I was to get a 13900k or a 7950x which motherboards would you recommend for either?
Is it normal for PCH chips to run really hot? Enough that you can't put your finger on the heatsink for more than 15 seconds, it's what I experienced with Asus x670e.
At gen3 x2 you can support a 10gbe link but practically you'd have to buy an x8 lane 2 or 4 x 10gbe card. To get ur one functional port. I doubt anyone's doing that. I still like having extra slots. Just in principle. They arent very useful.
One of the whole reasons for X670 is more connectivity. Any mfgr that creates an X670 mobo with only 4 sata ports should be hung upside down in the town square. What a joke.
SATA is getting depreciated. Most people who load-up on HDDs usually get a HBA or get a separate NAS box for it. M.2 Express is taking over. Intel is going this route as well.
I can tell you what that PCIe slot is for, is a sound card. Most people probably don't care, but I have 5.1 surround and most motherboards under $400 don't have the quality or audio jacks.
Heatsink fin density, compare with hair/fur. This is why dogs shed in summer. =) Also, what do you think of the RX 4000 power connectors? I can't wait for the first RX 4000 autopsy. 😁
I just want a board that has two x8 slots (4.0 or 5.0) hardwired. Is there such a thing? It seems that anything going forward is going to require an expensive switch chip to get double x8.
Unless Gigabyte will release a Rev 1.1 with the updated Intel I226-V LAN Chip I am afraid to buy a I225-V as people in different forums are posting about issues even with the latest B3 revision. Was looking forward to get the B650E Aorus Master but as I noticed that it also comes with the old I225-V (SLNMH - B3) chip I was kind of disappointed..
@@sweetbubaleh90 Ah you mean the Aorus Elite AX? Cause higher end models like Aorus Master (X670e + B650e) has the Intel chip. I am still unsure which board to buy cause here they are so expensive...
2:42 - Re: 10 Gig LAN Both the ASUS XG-C100C and TP-Link TX401 10GbE NIC's are PCIE3.0x4, I own 2 XG-C100C's and one TX401, so mobo's having at the bare-minimum a PCIE3.0x4 slot is a must for me. Both NICs use the same Marvel/Acquantia Aqtion AQC107 PHY, but this board has a PCIE3.0x2 slot, so that's pretty useless when it comes to 10Gb NICs. I have noticed with the X670/B650 series' that mobo vendors have sacrificed PCIE slots + lanes to feed more lanes to USB controllers and WIFI6E controllers, vendors could easily have made non-WIFI boards with slightly less USB ports and those lanes could have been used to provide more PCIE lanes to use for X4 slots, an added plus to that would have been less expensive boards.
@@zacharytaylor8523 You are correct on the bandwidth as PCIE3x2 is 1.969 GB/s, but 10GbE is 1.25GB/s in each direction. The cards are wired for x4 for an optimum configuration supplying enough PCIE bandwidth for full-duplex 10GbE, limiting bandwidth by restricting PCIE bandwidth is sub-optimal.
I dont remember if you ever talked about the ram slots being thru board compared to surface mount , is one better then another , or doesnt it matter ? tia
@@lummoxicide1502 if you manage to rip out a memory slot you shouldn't be building computers. I can kinda understand people pulling PCI-e slots off. But with memory sticks the clips literally pop the sticks right out of the slot.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking out of curiosity, what kind of force would it take to rip out a surface mounted DIMM slot if someone forgot to open the clips?
What's up with the 7950x max RAM speed? 1x1R 5200 MT/s 1x2R 5200 MT/s 2x1R 3600 MT/s 2x2R 3600 MT/s That means if I buy a kit of 2x5200 MT/s I can't add another kit and run it at 5200 MT/s? Thanks
@@2buckgeo843 By chance did you buy the Corsair vengeance kit that is C36? I'm buying a 2x16GB kit at 5600C36 and I'm worried that I should have gone with the 6000C36.
Has anyone gotten this MB to boot properly with DDR5 and memory training? They also have a lot of trouble doing "restarts" I've gone through 3 RAM kits and they all do the same thing so I"m pretty sure its MB thing.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking with this VRM being the same for the x790 elite Ax for Intel....can this overclock a i9 13900k to 6hgz all p-cores ? Considering u could bring the temps low
Surprised you knew so much about the caps. Usually when i watch these types of things its just rattling off keywords, but you talk about it like an actual engineer lol
Thoughts on the Asrock DIMM slot stickers on new DDR5 boards? Obviously they're not meant for you, and obviously they shouldn't be paper stickers that break so easily, but what do you think of the idea?
@@SolarianStrike Yeah, Buildzoid knows a lot about motherboard components, but he makes a lot of questionable statements about PCIe slots and M.2 slots. He hates M.2 slots and rants about "file-copy enthusiasts"...
@@GlennBerrySQL TBH I can understand his dislike of m.2 slots, modern boards often have more m.2 slots than most user needs. I rather have less m.2 slots and have a couple of pcie x4 slots instead. I can always get an adapter card if I actually needs 4 m.2. Now getting a capture card / Ethernet card into an m.2 is messy even with risers.
Got the b650 x ax, as prices just dropped back to normal apart from the higher end x670's. I was mad cause the vengeance 6000mhz wont play with my 7600x. And when I called the retailer they're defense was that the 7600x was only made to run 5200 mhz and anymore is an Overclock. And its not their fault if the memory they sold rated for 6k mhz won't work. Luckily after a bios update, the 6000 mhz xmp 1 works!
Thank you for releasing these in-depth, informative videos like no one else while not selling out and even giving me motherboard advice a few years ago when I spontaneously wrote to you, KUTGW kind soul!
lets send him a buck to help him not sell out
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@@pietrmuffei8874 He is good for quick corns and Pros of the motherboard, but this is more technical.
Turns out this is one of the best options.
Some of the best ram speed results as per framechasers (although he hasn't released a full video yet)
I just bought this board not too long ago and this review made me feel a lot better about my decision of buying it over other more expensive boards. Thank you!
I've avoided Gigabyte boards in the past but this video shows they really are competitive even for their cheap price points. Not bad options at all.
@@pokealong I’ve almost always used exclusively ASUS boards (except one time I got ASRock and regretted it) but this time around with the LGA1718(AM5) boards the ASUS options were just too expensive and didn’t really offer that much more in terms of value. So far I’ve really enjoyed the Gigabyte board and haven’t had any issues. I’d also say the Gigabyte boars UEFI interface is very good when compared to ASUS and the one feature I absolutely love about it is that you can flash the bios and it retains all your settings.
@@ProXcaliber Haha funny you mention ASRock. I got all ASUS until I got one ASRock, returned it within a couple weeks and got another ASUS. When I went from my 3600x to my 12700k I went with MSI and it's been treating me really well so far, as has their 3080 Ti which is the first non-EVGA GPU I've owned in over a decade. Good overclocking, super fast NVME speeds, and no power issues. The UEFI isn't great, kind of a cluttered mess until you learn it. But it's not horrendous or anything. I do wish it had better flashing and recovery settings.
These breakdowns are my favorite videos you do.
I went ahead and placed an order for this board a few days ago after looking at your other video of the x670 aorus extreme. I looked at the pictures and they looked very similar.
Thanks for the very informative videos.
it might be $290 but it does seem really well engineered, thank you for this!
Just goes to show a lot of the cost of "high end brands" comes from having a big name attached to it.
You'd get all of the bandwidth out of a 10G card on PCIe 3.0 2x link, that is still 2GB/s. Most stuff that has 4x lanes would probably be fine as long as they did also support PCIe 3.0
a lot of add-in cards use more PCIe lanes than necessary just due to an assumption that someone might want to install it on some really old system with PCIe 2.0 or something.
Correct. You can also get a 2x10G card for the same price and connect it to 2 switches for redundancy and ~16gbps throughout.
@@NavinF Oh hey I'd love to know what pcie3x2 2x10g cards are out there, if you have some examples or whatever. Googling comes up with nothing.
@@NavinF I actually did this because the Solarflare NICs I bought where dual port.
In my case my NAS seems to just saturate a single 10G link. Using multiple links either using link aggregation on both machines (which shows up as a single 20Gb link) or using SMB multichannel showed a whopping 20MB/s improvement
I should be able to get a little more maybe but the hardware my NAS is based on is kind of old, It's a 4690K machine running truenas
@@RandoOnSteam You'd just use any dual port 10G card that supports PCIe 3.0. It doesn't have to explicitly be 2x.
Is it just me or does that X2 slot have the same number of pins as the X4 slot above it?
I hope B650 Aorus Elite will live up to expectations. B550 one was quite a nice board considering its price.
and i think the b650 elite will be 8 layer, while b550 was 6-layer.
I get a kick out of the dual 8pin power connectors too. It's like having a bigger fuel pump when the injectors are too small to use it. But yeah, it looks cool! It's rather nice they're putting overkill VRMs on the budget boards, but I don't like how they completely gut the overall feature set otherwise. Why not tame down the VRMs a little and give a better I/O setup and a modern audio codec? I totally agree on the cooling design for VRMs. I figure most people who are running a high end setup are going to be water cooling, which means there will be little airflow around the VRM sinks to extract the heat from the dense stacks. They'd be better off with the overkill VRM and extruded heatsinks like this than the fancy fin stacks. Tells me it all more for style than function, wasting money while passing the buck to us.
I mean the reason for not a better codec I'd because most people don't care, and those that do buy there own external audio gear
With the costs of pc parts these days I'd rather redundancy when it comes to electricity or quality.
Thanks
The last slot would be perfect for a sound card. I have a AE 9 and that slot would be perfect for it along with my 4090 GPU in the top slot.
a 10Gbe card would work just fine on the 3x2 slot, alternatively you could slot an additional usb g2 card in there, or just a big usb card in general, sometimes you need this for complex VR tracking setups. You could also just slot another m.2 drive in there if you want, or SATA/SAS, after all this board's definitely designed for big data users...
Onboard Wifi/Bluetooth can stop working, or you can break the antenna connectors. It happened to my B450 ITX this year outside of warranty. Having the option to use a Wifi PCIE card is still important even if you have one.
7:48 I think most people use SAS HBA cards for hard drive expansion and those are generally, if not always, at least PCIe x4.
Hopefully someone sends you an ITX board to look at. Always love your motherboard breakdowns
Seconding this. I want to do a sff build soon
The reduction in SATA ports is AMD not having CPU dedicated SATA ports, so now they all have to come from the chipset and 2 SATA ports pulls 2 PCI-E lanes, so more SATA is less M.2 and we all know how much MB makers love M.2 slots.
1x PCI-E 4 is enough for 10Gbit ethernet at half duplex. 1 PCI-E 4 lane is 1.94 GB/s and 10Gbps is 1.25 GB/s. The remaining 0.69 accounts for all the communication slack. 2x can be for full duplex. Or x4 as you said if you are on PCI-E 3.
So the 2x is for full duplex 10Gbit, but can be for half duplex if the card is PCI-E 3. It could also be for what you rejected initially. Capture cards are 4x PCI-E 3. If you make them PCI-E 4 then by 2 is enough for 4k/60 HDR or 4k/120, and if done well even for 8k/60 with >1:10 compression (7680x * 4320y * 40bpp * 60fps).
PCIE itself is full duplex, the AQC113 can run full duplex with pcie4 x1.
@@SolarianStrike oh, good to know. i was thinking it was the total bandwidth. that means two lanes are enough for 10Gbit FD ethernet even at PCI-E 3?
@@marsovac Yes, in fact some boards with AQC107 onboard already does that.
It is when you drop down to 3.0 x1 and 2.0 x2 that you lose throughput, but even then it can still run full-duplex.
None of my 10G Ethernet net cards even allow me to choose half-duplex mode, I don't think it is a thing at all for multi-gig Ethernet.
I have an X540-T2 in my old FX machine running TrueNAS and OPNsense, my PCs run AQC107 or AQC113.
Usb, sata controllers and other peripheral expansion cards in that bottom slot. Not much consumer demand for them but what I tend to use extra slots for. There are very good reason to have "known good" usb controller chips as cheap as media controllers are incompatible with quite a few high performance usb devices like oculus rift cameras etc.
Pretty nice board... It may be double than what id pay for a new board but its really good. This amount of USB Ports should be standard on all boards!
Makes me hope that B650 boards will also have some fancy upgrades and wont just be basically B550 PCBs with a B650 Chipset and an AM5 Socket slapped on.
Man I wish boards with this many type a ports were more common, I swear I've seen Asus boards over $500 with like 6 usb ports lmao
I have the Revised version of this board on my new build and it's horrible. Keeps rebooting no matter what bios version I use, all to no avail. Not sure if it's the MB itself or a conflict with memory or what. There is some kind of cover over the CMOS on my revision and I wanted to remove the battery itself since the clear CMOS but isn't helping despite clearing in theory....Frustrating.
Had no idea if this would be a good board when I bought it, looks like I lucked out.
With how many M.2 slots AM5 have now, you'd think that there'd be more stuff you can plug into the connector asides from SSDs and the odd wifi card...
Very informative, thanks
This board has some good deals going on it and it seems to be all the board anyone would want.
Looking to recommend a new mobo for my BF, gonna love when Buildzoid make a video on all x670 and x670e boards.
Boards this gen have heartburn inducing prices.
I see that the X670E Aorus Master uses the same 16+2+2 VRM configuration.
I wonder if the Master offers more in terms of electrical benefits.
Are you planning on doing a PCB breakdown of the LE A770, they claim the 228w core max PL is set because of the vrm, interested in hearing your thoughts
11:00 doesn't it reduce heat inside the cable by running two in parallel? Like yeah one cable can do up to 400W, but it will also dissipate some of that as heat, if you divide it into two cables, it's much better isn't it? Like even if it doesn't even come close to maximum operating parameters, it still can't be fully safe to have a cpu cable cycle up to god knows how many degrees of heat and then cool down
It doesn't work like dat
In an absolute sense, sure, but the effect is negligible.
@@1dafullgaming688 how does it work, then?
Connectors are usually rated to 85C and I doubt they'd get that hot here. 7A per terminal is probably quite safe here and with four circuits (four terminals for 12V and 4 terminals for GND), that's 28A at 12V, that's 336W on a single 8-pin EPS12V cable. Connecting both 8-pins certainly won't hurt anything, and it would technically reduce the overall resistance and inductance added by the cables, but it very likely isn't necessary. I connect them anyway just for the warm fuzzies. I'd say connect them if your PSU supports them, just because, but otherwise don't worry about them.
@@tinfever This is the answer I was looking for, thank you very much, I appreciate it
G'day Buildzoid,
Prices for AM5 for some reason are above our exchange rate of 1.5 for some reason, someone in the pipeline filling their pockets I guess,
here in Sydney the X670 Aorus Elite AX is $599AUD & the cheapest in stock is MSI PRO X670-P WIFI $539AUD. The cheapest listed the ASUS PRIME X670-P $499AUD for pre-order
Australia has taxes included in the price, and US doesn't have tax included in the price. That's why
@@BusAlexey Yes I know that & include it in my price comparison, but the difference is greater than the 1.5x + Tax in US, I have done the price comparison with NOAB Danny, most US Sales tax is under 10% so it should be under $540AUD.
Also it is not Shipping as Shipping from Asia to Australia is cheaper than USA.
@@shaneeslick yeah, it seems like they're overcharging people on top of x670 overcgarge
@@BusAlexey nVIDIA did this themselves with RTX3000 too, it was the first time we were able to buy direct from them & when we were at 1.2-1.3x USD during the releases down here direct from nVIDIA (So no Scalpers) they were 1.8-2.3x USD + Shipping which was way over priced too.
While AMD 6000 even through stores were at most 1.25x before prices went STOOPID everywhere.
gonna wait for the b650 motherboards, but doesn't seem like they're that much cheaper =(
I just bought this exact board a day before they released the B650 boards, and now I'm glad I bought this one after seeing the prices on a lot of the B650 boards being only a few dollars cheaper. I think taking that into account the extra bit of cost for this board is well worth it. The only downside I dislike about this one so far is the no post code display but it does give you a decent online manual to diagnose issues.
The rear I/O of this Elite isn't too different from its X570 ancestor, 2 more 5gig usb ports and a rear type C port with a 2.5 Lan instead of 1gig Lan...and the Qflash has been moved from the bottom of the PCB to the rear I/O
For what it was I thought the x570 aorus elite was a great board
well, other than it was garbage at ram ovreclocking. or at least mine is lol
But this is an 8 layer PCB motherboard. First generation X570 Elite is on a 4 layer PCB, X570S Elite use a 6 layer PCB . Significant upgrade from X570. In X570, only the X570 Xtreme gets an 8 layer PCB.
@@fleurdewin7958 8 layers for the Xtreme but the V1.0 are garbage, full of bugs with losing some USB and the 10Gb NIC, if you make an RMA they send you back another V1.0 (not1.2 or2.0) who finish to fail six month later !
I have this board. Thanks 🙏
no SPDIF port GTF gigabyte...
Sending mine back. It's a brick. Won't recognize my Vengeance or Dominator Corsair AM. Halts with a Red RAM error ligth and won't post, beep, or display video. WOrse, I tried to Qflash upgrade the bios on it using a USB stick and GIGABYTE.BIN file and pressing the Qflash button with PSU connect and powered on. Nothing. USBstick will light up brieflyt hen nothing, no reads or writes for 5 minutes. Either I got a dud or this was a bad recommendation.
FINALLY 3 physical x16 slots! Hooray!
Upon setting this board up did you have any issues with the Bios? Did you need to flash the bios at all? Where there any quirks that you could see?
Any idea how many LEDs are on this board? OpenRGB thinks there are some, I guess around the VRMs and wants to know the number of LEDs to get them working....other than this, ya this board is just fine! Enjoying my new system, except my keyboard (K70) doesn't work until Windows is loaded...not sure how to fix that.
You can use a Soundcard at the 2 Lanes Port
PCI-e x2 v3 would still give you 16 Gbps per direction, so it would be enough for a 10Gbps NIC - Though it would end up struggling if you used 2 ports...
Where is the x670 MSI Pro board review
Great Video Thank You! Just bought one, They think they are saving money by not including a manual, Now people have problems and just ship them back, They are stupid! I bet it changes soon! 219.00
Digital Audio card for the 2x 3x slot artt the bottom, onboards doesnt have Optical.
have a little troubleshoot question...maybe someone can help me...
on startup all 4 LED turn on 1by1 for 1-2 seconds but the VGA LED stay on for like 10 seconds...after windows loads all LED are off and system works normaly... also i'm not sure if the CPU LED turns on or the cycle starts with DRAM LED followed by VGA and BOOT LED...also all fans go wild for few seconds and MB beeps twice before the windows loads
So how do you feel about AM5 board prices? Given what these boards offer/feature, do they seem somewhat reasonable?
The rumor is that initial board prices are deliberately inflated by ~20%. They should lose that premium soon, though, given that Raptor Lake is coming in cheaper than expected.
He already released a video on that
I bought this board, revision 1.0 and my MSi 40670 Ventus 3x comes wednesday. Going to build this saturday and put in a Ryzen 9 7950X3D. I'm not well versed in PC builds but can you tell me what is the drama surrounding this board and BIOS updates? I want to make sure I can fully utilize it but not sure what i should do concerning the BIOS
So would you use two or four DDR5 sticks?
Have you ever done a walk through like this of the
Tuf gaming x570 plus wifi 6 mobo
I wanna learn more about my current mobo
will there be a x670 vrm roundup in the future?
Great video, but could I ask what to do if the PBO setting doesn't listen to me?
If I set the PPT to 480W, the processor still takes 108W max and its temperature doesn't exceed 77 degrees.
I don't understand why it does this. I have the max for temperature set at 85 degrees.
Thank you all in advance for any help and answers.
600 bucks in Australia
And still one of the cheaper/more "reasonable" options. We get ripped off mate.....
@Actually Hardcore Overclocking I have this board and the bios wont flash/update. Anyone updated a bios on one of the boards? the bios flash utility reads the bios on the thumb drive then says, bios ism protected by secure flash, it is going to reboot. it reboots and hangs up. I have to hold in the power button till it shuts down. No up date. I want to turn off secure flash.
Am I alone in thinking that I want PCIE 5.0 x16 for future GPUs? Only X670E and B650E support this.
With MCM GPUs dawning and with Storage IO now supporting GPU decryption, I feel like PCIE 5.0 will be needed within the next 6yr. And, lower end cards may be only x8 PCIE lanes, like some of the RX 6000 cards where PCIE 3.0 x8 bottlenecks some of the PCIE 4.0 x8 cards. What if the 8600 XT is only PCIE 5.0 x8 and is bottlenecked by PCIE 4.0?
I also want 2x USB-C 20Gbps. Only X670 and X670E provide this.
Adding a second 20Gbps port via a PCIE x4 card will cost $55. So, if X670E is only $50-$60 more than a B650, you’d gain a PCIE slot and reduce hassle. IO is a big deal in the longevity of a system.
Basically, I think X670E is the way to go.
Your not alone!
That's why I was asking him to do steel legend and TUF mobos in-depth, not only VRM.
Well, as of right now you need gen4x16 for a card that is more powerful than rtx 3090 and direct storage is like a non issue. But yeah if they pull some weird/dumb cards with x2/x4 bandwidth they might be an issue.
As for USB 20gpbs if you need 2 ports buy a mobo with those ofc lol sadly the expansion cards are expensive.
@@SviatoslavDamaschin
You are speaking for now. I would keep a platform for more than three years, and IO usually becomes the largest issue with age.
@@Austin1990 Well, usually new GPUs are released every 2 years as of right now the RTX 4090 has plenty of free bandwidth on gen4 and it's very unlikely it will be saturated with the 5xxx series even if you take in to account direct storage. Those are my 2cents of course. I personally expect the need for PCI-E 5.0x16 after 2026, since the 5xxx series should be released after 2024.
@@SviatoslavDamaschin
The 6600XT has only x8 lanes, and it is bottlenecked in PCIE 3.0 motherboards. It needs PCIE 4.0.
I guess you could argue that such a system should not be configured with a mid range GPU.
I bought a X370 for a Ryzen 5 1600 budget build. I put a 5600X in it, and the system was revitalized. The extra $25-$50 put into the board was WELL worth the investment vs boards that only support up to Zen 2.
I usually get a basic board 75Us cheap memory, no overclocking here allocate all the money to the GPU game higher than 1440p strictly gaming and internet machine.
But the RAM speed decrease when using all 4 slots though, Buildzoid? How big of a decrease can we expect/can you see?
Hello mate, i have x670 gaming X AX it;s almoust the same as the one you pressent here :D by any chanse do you know what size (dimmensions) of the thermal pads used on the chipset !? the stock one's are diving me crazy i have 70 degrees in idle temperatures while the rest of the parts are "feezeing" ...cpu 35 degrees ( 7800x3d ) gpu 40 also in idle ...airflow it;s more than decent and i just want to try to replace the thermal pads but I CAN'T FIND THE PROPER ONES NO WHERE ! they are like sand with sparkes in it :D and the size it;s just beyond me ! thx so much in advance !
Looking for a tower compatible with gigabyte x670 aorus elite ax
Does anybody have any friggin clue how to get that massive norhtbridge/southbridge heat sink off to get to the CMOS battery underneath ????The CMOS battery is in the bottom right corner, but there is a massive passive black heat sink over everything including hte CMOS battery holder.
Pretty sure the screws are on the backside. But unless you are losing settings when you unplug power you don’t need to remove the battery. There is a clear cmos jumper AND clear cmos button to reset settings.
these x670e boards are loaded with USB ports. NICE.
Would they overload the 24 pin atx connector though?
Why always dollars if you live in the uk bro ?
most of my audience is in the US and due to conversion rates and VAT the GBP price for most computer hardware is the same as the USD price. Like right now this board is 290GBP in the UK: uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/m7mmP6/gigabyte-x670-aorus-elite-ax-rev-10-atx-am5-motherboard-x670-aorus-elite-ax-rev-10
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking makes sense...
Does vmisc power the pcie slots too?
bz have you ever done anything with the 980 Ti KPE that had a fucked core?
Hello, I'm looking to upgrade my PC sometime soon. Just wanted your opinion if I was to get a 13900k or a 7950x which motherboards would you recommend for either?
Thanks kermit :)
please review assus tuf x670e motherboard
I have an RM9652 audio card that is PCI and I can plug that into a PCIe adapter and run it into that PCIe 3 slot. So that's one use for it
Is it normal for PCH chips to run really hot? Enough that you can't put your finger on the heatsink for more than 15 seconds, it's what I experienced with Asus x670e.
I would fully expect for motherboard that expensive to have even more stuff. I get that you don't pay for that stuff, but some of us do.
What kind of luck have you had with RAM speed with 4 DIMMs?
I'd imagine the bottom pci-e slot is for a sound card for audiophiles.
nahhh, usb DAC are more convenient to use
At gen3 x2 you can support a 10gbe link but practically you'd have to buy an x8 lane 2 or 4 x 10gbe card. To get ur one functional port. I doubt anyone's doing that.
I still like having extra slots. Just in principle. They arent very useful.
Today im getting a DDR4 Corsair kit 3600 CL16. Any ideas on how far i might be able to push it? Ill see what typhoon says but it might be Micron Rev.E
This motherboard ok or not..?😅
i love seeing over kill vrm's
One of the whole reasons for X670 is more connectivity. Any mfgr that creates an X670 mobo with only 4 sata ports should be hung upside down in the town square. What a joke.
SATA is getting depreciated. Most people who load-up on HDDs usually get a HBA or get a separate NAS box for it. M.2 Express is taking over. Intel is going this route as well.
Anyone know what a TWIN 16+2+1 mean on the z670 elite Ax?
Jufes got one of these and his 7950x up to 5.5 ghz - 2133 on the fclock 55ns ram 6400mhz.
I can tell you what that PCIe slot is for, is a sound card. Most people probably don't care, but I have 5.1 surround and most motherboards under $400 don't have the quality or audio jacks.
GIGABYTE H510M S2H rev1.0 vs GIGABYTE H510M S2H v2 rev1.0 vs GIGABYTE H510M S2 rev1.0?
Sold
Heatsink fin density, compare with hair/fur. This is why dogs shed in summer. =)
Also, what do you think of the RX 4000 power connectors?
I can't wait for the first RX 4000 autopsy. 😁
I just want a board that has two x8 slots (4.0 or 5.0) hardwired. Is there such a thing? It seems that anything going forward is going to require an expensive switch chip to get double x8.
There is a few, can't remember which ones
Please , also ASRock x670e steel legend and the Asus x670e TUF gaming.
Especially component quality and Design practicality. Not only VRM. Thanks 🙏🏾
Unless Gigabyte will release a Rev 1.1 with the updated Intel I226-V LAN Chip I am afraid to buy a I225-V as people in different forums are posting about issues even with the latest B3 revision.
Was looking forward to get the B650E Aorus Master but as I noticed that it also comes with the old I225-V (SLNMH - B3) chip I was kind of disappointed..
I have rev 1.0 board and it has Realtek 2.5gb network card
@@sweetbubaleh90 Ah you mean the Aorus Elite AX? Cause higher end models like Aorus Master (X670e + B650e) has the Intel chip. I am still unsure which board to buy cause here they are so expensive...
Asus 670e Crosshair hero one day👀
Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite AX or ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI?
I also can't decide between these two
@@fnvfanMSPR i bought the rog strix .very beautiful.
2:42 - Re: 10 Gig LAN
Both the ASUS XG-C100C and TP-Link TX401 10GbE NIC's are PCIE3.0x4, I own 2 XG-C100C's and one TX401, so mobo's having at the bare-minimum a PCIE3.0x4 slot is a must for me.
Both NICs use the same Marvel/Acquantia Aqtion AQC107 PHY, but this board has a PCIE3.0x2 slot, so that's pretty useless when it comes to 10Gb NICs.
I have noticed with the X670/B650 series' that mobo vendors have sacrificed PCIE slots + lanes to feed more lanes to USB controllers and WIFI6E controllers, vendors could easily have made non-WIFI boards with slightly less USB ports and those lanes could have been used to provide more PCIE lanes to use for X4 slots, an added plus to that would have been less expensive boards.
"so that's pretty useless when it comes to 10Gb NICs."
How so? A single 10G link wouldn't saturate 2 lanes of PCIe 3.0
@@zacharytaylor8523 You are correct on the bandwidth as PCIE3x2 is 1.969 GB/s, but 10GbE is 1.25GB/s in each direction.
The cards are wired for x4 for an optimum configuration supplying enough PCIE bandwidth for full-duplex 10GbE, limiting bandwidth by restricting PCIE bandwidth is sub-optimal.
I dont remember if you ever talked about the ram slots being thru board compared to surface mount , is one better then another , or doesnt it matter ? tia
I talked about it for some Z690 boards and yes SMT dimm slots have better parasitics than through hole dimm slots.
Through board should be alot stronger than a surface mount...imagine ripping out your DIMM slot while trying to remove your ram stick
@@lummoxicide1502 if you manage to rip out a memory slot you shouldn't be building computers. I can kinda understand people pulling PCI-e slots off. But with memory sticks the clips literally pop the sticks right out of the slot.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking out of curiosity, what kind of force would it take to rip out a surface mounted DIMM slot if someone forgot to open the clips?
Jeremy Clarkson levels.
What's up with the 7950x max RAM speed?
1x1R 5200 MT/s
1x2R 5200 MT/s
2x1R 3600 MT/s
2x2R 3600 MT/s
That means if I buy a kit of 2x5200 MT/s I can't add another kit and run it at 5200 MT/s?
Thanks
It will most likely work fine, it's just against official AMD spec.
I have a 7900x and my Corsair ram is running fine at 6k speed. Make sure to update the bios. Out of the box bios did not work with faster speeds.
@@2buckgeo843 4 DIMMs?
@@Stevenx01 I’m using 2 sorry.
@@2buckgeo843 By chance did you buy the Corsair vengeance kit that is C36? I'm buying a 2x16GB kit at 5600C36 and I'm worried that I should have gone with the 6000C36.
Has anyone gotten this MB to boot properly with DDR5 and memory training? They also have a lot of trouble doing "restarts" I've gone through 3 RAM kits and they all do the same thing so I"m pretty sure its MB thing.
I am between this and the ASUS Strix B650E-F Gaming WIFI.
I would buy this one, but with only 2 SATA ports i don't know 🤔
4 sata ports
does this have a clockgen
no
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking with this VRM being the same for the x790 elite Ax for Intel....can this overclock a i9 13900k to 6hgz all p-cores ? Considering u could bring the temps low
Surprised you knew so much about the caps. Usually when i watch these types of things its just rattling off keywords, but you talk about it like an actual engineer lol
Am I looking for 670 board, nope. Do I miss buildzoid rambling about things I barely understand, yup.
Should test asus x670e hero seems a really good bored
Thoughts on the Asrock DIMM slot stickers on new DDR5 boards? Obviously they're not meant for you, and obviously they shouldn't be paper stickers that break so easily, but what do you think of the idea?
Lol I’d put my IDE card in that x2 3.0 slot
PCIe 3.0 x2 would give you close to 2GB/sec, which would support a 10GbE LAN card.
Yes and it is listed as a supported for AQC107 and AQC113.
@@SolarianStrike Yeah, Buildzoid knows a lot about motherboard components, but he makes a lot of questionable statements about PCIe slots and M.2 slots. He hates M.2 slots and rants about "file-copy enthusiasts"...
@@GlennBerrySQL TBH I can understand his dislike of m.2 slots, modern boards often have more m.2 slots than most user needs.
I rather have less m.2 slots and have a couple of pcie x4 slots instead.
I can always get an adapter card if I actually needs 4 m.2.
Now getting a capture card / Ethernet card into an m.2 is messy even with risers.
Was thinking of getting this. But no post code and no DP output was a dealbreaker for me. Got the master board instead.
Got the b650 x ax, as prices just dropped back to normal apart from the higher end x670's.
I was mad cause the vengeance 6000mhz wont play with my 7600x.
And when I called the retailer they're defense was that the 7600x was only made to run 5200 mhz and anymore is an Overclock. And its not their fault if the memory they sold rated for 6k mhz won't work.
Luckily after a bios update, the 6000 mhz xmp 1 works!