Agreed. I am looking to build an AM5 linux workstation used to run VM's and to use GPU passthrough and this video prompted even more factors I need to consider for the build. Has there been any more recent boards released (Feb 2023) then this video which is Oct 2022?
I would LOVE a B650E Master but if you look online so many people are having problems with this board blacking out under CPU load. Unfortunately I’m not really prepared to play lottery with over £400…
I had the same issue with my B650E Aorus Master - black screens when the CPU is under load. It's been almost a month and I still haven't received a replacement from Gigabyte. Bad product, non-existent support and _TERRIBLE_ RMA experience. I'm never buying a Gigabyte product ever again.
@@vincentvega3093 I had tried this and it didn't fix it for me. Besides, disabling C-states is not really recommended. You get lower single core performance (if you don't do static overclocking). It's best to just return the defective motherboard.
@@njasicko This happens mostly with the higher powered CPUs like 7950x and 7900x. Apparently the VRMs don't get stressed enough with 7600x/7700x to cause the black screens. So if you upgrade to 7950x or a similarly powerful next gen CPU in a few years, you might start getting the issue that you thought didn't have.
My most recent build was on an Aorus board with a last-gen Ryzen 9. I've had really good luck with it and the price was right in the sweet spot for what I wanted to spend - about $250. Not sure when my next build will be but Aorus seems pretty solid so far.
I see the diagram on the X670 Aorus Elite AX and you are saying that this motherboard are loosing 8x from the 16x slot when using the 4 M.2 slot. But the diagram, the info in the manual and the website does not say anytthing about any M.2 sharing bandwith with any other slots. I am interesting in this board, but only if i can use all 4 M.2 without sharing bandwith with the 16x slot!
Iv got the X670 AORUS ELITE AX. Managed to get ram up to 6400mhz no issues at all. But settled on 6200mhz since it allowed me to keep a 1:1 ratio. One big thing to note is Gigabyte has really been dropping the ball on the bios support on this board and F5 bios is still the only properly stable one. F6f straight out bricked the board and you had to return it. F6e caused instability when booting into windows which is what my RMA board came with but going back to F5 fixed that. Took them 3 weeks to remove this bios from there website. Then they released F7f which has C-State bug. Then F7d which has core enabled bug which stops single CCX CPUs from working. They removed these bios for 2 weeks then put them back on the website as F6d and F6c but they still have those issues.
@@jaxzor Has hot reboot bugs, If you restart from windows then you get stuck on a black screen. Where shutting down and turning it back on is fine. Sleep issue still not fixed and worse overclocking then F5
so I went with the Wendell advice (before the fact admittedly) and went with the MSI PRO-X670 board and I've had a lot of problems getting it going. No POST codes and an inability to flash the BIOS didn't help. These Gigabyte boards look good. Maybe I shoulda gone with one of those.
Years ago I worked at somewhere that only bought Gigabyte boards for researchers server projects, mainly due to the dual bios tech and much greater hardware recovery on the motherboard. Hopefully it's still true today.
I don't think you're right about the X670 AORUS ELITE AX dropping the main x16 slot down to x8 if the second CPU-fed M.2 slot is populated. The CPU provides x4 bandwidth to both M.2 slots separately of the x16 slot....don't forget Zen 4 has four more PCIE lanes than Zen 3 etc.
Where did he state this? Was it around the 3:50 mark? Edit: He start speaking about this at 4:14 and it is being pointed out on the block diagram of the board at 4:35.
I've seen you mention things you're going to cover on Level1 Linux at least a few times now in the last week. Hopefully soon! I'd like to delve into the whole Linux machine with Windows gaming VM thing for my next rig, so some more motherboard feature breakouts for that use case would be super useful. K thanks!
As a Gigabyte/ Aorus user for many years, the motherboards and bios have been great for me ….. I definitely agree to avoid their rgb software thou 🤦♀🤦♂🤦🙈 it’s a shocker! But I don’t really use rgb so no loss for me …. And if I do use it, it’s rainbow 🌈 puke 🤮 mode 😅😂🤣! I’m waiting for the X700 series chipset to come out and new x3D V-cache cpu to come out before I upgrade from my am4 setup.
What we really need is for cpu manufacturers to give us more pci lanes so we don't have to do this dance of "if i connect peripheral x to slot y, how much bandwidth do I lose on my gpu or some other high bandwidth peripheral... it's sooo annoying. and if you're like me and have 3-4 m.2 drives, a gpu, and want to install a quad 4k video capture card, you're pretty much SOL... and we STILL don't have non-pro threadripper with zen4 or even a modern xeon-w... where's all the low end workstation gear?
In short, buy B650E motherboard instead X670 (non-E) because PCIE 5.0 x 16 is more future proofing even in lower tier B series chipset than PCIE 4.0 on X670, unless money aren't the issue, go X670E instead.
Right now, there's still no killer feature that would make me move to AM5. It's just too expensive to even begin considering with little to no benefit to me personally.
They all are supposed to have integrated BIOS flashback capability. The only other thing that starts to justify the cost is the fact it'll be supported until at least 2025. It's not insignificant to know they'll absolutely have to be testing and putting out updates that long. Motherboard manufacturers get to be done with all LGA1700 boards outside of warranty and some massive vulnerability discovery. AM5 also offers more PCIe 5.0 lanes, so it's not like the cost is going no where. That said, I understand just not needing any of those things. If you're already on a board with at least PCIe 4.0 there is little risk of IO bottlenecks being a problem any time soon. Only a 16 core with v-cache would make me want to upgrade.
@@blkspade23 I don't need PCIe so the added cost is meaningless to me. If anything, it's keeping me from buying it because the price is too high. Don't care what the reason is if it means I'm not going to buy it
Ok. The B650E Aorus master is my new favorite motherboard. I like the ASRock Livemixer. I really like the ASUS Strix B650E-I, but the Gigabyte Aorus Master looks sweet! However, I have talked myself up to a $350 board, and $300 for 64 GB premium DDR5, and as a 5950X owner who upgraded my whole computer in 2022, I’ll be honest: even with the promise of a 7950X3D, this pricing kills my buzz! $1400-ish for the whole enchilada? At that price, my 5950X is kinda fast enough. I just upgraded to Windows 11 and everything feels snappy and great with new animations and better dark mode support! It also feels like, though the CPUs might be expensive and hard to get because Intel ded, Zen 5 X3D would be a far more sensible jump from a 5950x, right? Then again, for much of the last few years, one has wanted the best computer one can get. Very torn, but impressed how much the price of DDR5 has come down since Alder Lake’s launch! Wow…
Rather interesting, yet quite fragmented specs and features wise between these chipsets and same name/tier board with each chipset. I'm still on X570 Aorus Elite since it's release and it's good. Waiting for X3D to upgrade, still not sure which to get. PCIe 5.0 for GPU doesn't seem to matter so really only need min 1 PCIe 5.0 for M.2 though. Lack of USB4 is odd strangely.
got my hands on that X670 Elite AX in a deal before Christmas for 270e and it's been great so far miles better than Asus B650 A-Gaming which I returned after 2 weeks because it couldn't even properly run 5600Mhz EXPO profile, let alone manual OC
I like my PCIe flexibility for a GPU, 2+ NVMe drives, and 10G NICs. I like to cycle my gaming hardware down to home server systems after upgrades and having more PCIe there is a huge plus for NICs, HBAs, whatever.
Would love you guys to look at msi pro x670 wifi-p and see what you think of it. Loving the layout of it and very happy that it comes with 6 chassis fan headers.
i bought that one for my setup... and it came DoA with a "usb overload fault" with nothing connected... 3 weeks of RMA later there was no replacement and i had to change to a gigabyte x670 aorus ax for no extra price
@@Typhosion googling the failure it seems to be a very "common" occurrence with MSI motherboards even on the x470 and x570 mb, full of forum and reddit posts all over the place. I really wanted that motherboard as it has the excellent ALC4080 and a decent layout, but the rear usb ports are kind of lacking
The reason for dropping 7.1 analog, is headphones are best in stereo, and good surround sound will just use HDMI. I use the iGPU to send audio on to my receiver, works great.
Correct me if im wrong but I believe that X670 AORUS ELITE AX is not Sharing any pcie lanes. you could run all m.2 slots and main pcie x16 4.0 would run just fine.
I love the layout for the B650e, but this is not my buying cycle, and I usually wait for at least an inevitable rev1.1 for gigabyte boards. I'd wager the next motherboard iteration will have PCIe5 chipset instead of PCIe4.
I miss Threadripper PRO compatible motherboards those usually have what I mainly really want PCIE Slots, not lanes SLOTS, I miss expandibility, most Ryzen consumer boards only have 2 maybe 3 slots. Where am I supposed to put all my PCIE expansion HBA, USB Hub(?), capture, and 10Gb LAN cards.
Agreed. Manufacturers limiting PCIe lanes leads to running out of lanes to feed the slots we want. Ryzen 7000 has 24 lanes: 16 to top slot, 4 to m.2, then MAYBE one x2 slot and two x1 slots if we’re lucky. Threadripper (64 lanes) isn’t affordable for most of us that just want more options.
My b650e strix board (rip) the 4.0x1 slots i could have used for my 10Gbit NIC but they closed up the slot ao it wouldnt go in. Its nice being in a physically larger slot.
I was planning on building an am5 pc but Where i have seen numerous complaints on these boards with bios etc i will just stick with an am4 until further notice for now
The only thing I use AMD RAID for is my server backup (so spinny bois). I sync my TrueNAS server to my desktop, both to have a second on-site copy and to upload it to B1 (while they don't want businesses doing this, obviously, B1 is truly unlimited for customers; there are customers with several hundred terabytes of data on B1, mine is much more modest lol). I've found using windows storage spaces, while likely better for JBOD management, that it's just not hardened from random software bugs introduced by windows updates. The windows storage space bug wrecked my previous storage space (which is what made me build my truenas box, thankfully I was able to create a comprehensive recovery), so I simply can't trust them. And with RAIDABLE, I can just chuck in another 14TB drive or something and call it a day. Once it's properly setup, one can use syncthing or acrosync or something and just sync everything forward from the server (but not backwards from the desktop).
@@mikes567 What inputs do you really need? An analog mic in and and line in should be sufficient. Those arent the best ofc but thats the way it always was.
I go the Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE AX Gaming Desktop Motherboard AM5 motherboard and it's laright. Nothing is perfect so I would say it's main weakness is lack of audio out jacks, and poor location of only 4 SATA ports. Ypu can get around both of those problems though. I bought it for the 4 nvme slots and then have yet to use any of them use. I stuck to the SATA ports.
I wanna know why BIOS update via IP in the UEFI/BIOS hasn't been fully embraced since the AM3+ era. I started selling custom PCs exclusively with ASRock motherboards because I knew they had BIOS update via IP from the BIOS. Sure, updating BIOS was scary back then because "OMG! What if there's a power outage?!" so I always kept a spare CMOS chip on-hand and would hotflash if a BIOS got corrupted, but it never happened during an update. No, the only BIOS corruptions I got were when the CR2032 in the MBs died.
8:05 wait you can control RGB from BIOS? Is that a new feature because I've been turning RGB off in BIOS on my Gigabyte x570 master since its default is, for some insane reason, orange instead of white..
I think of buying the X670 mobo and been reading reviews about the memory and also looked at the manual online it supports DDR5 5200. How can I get the 6200 like you said? Thank you love your videos
Just built a system with X670 Aorus Elite last month. Have had issues with XMP/EXPO since day one. BIOS updates have improved stability slightly but I cannot use EXPO even if I don't touch my RAM speed. I've gone and attempted all the manual adjustments I can with no luck, PC becomes increasingly unstable and I had to reflash and repair windows. I'm going to exchange the board in case I've gotten unlucky with my board. If it turns out it's not the board I will try a third ram kit. My guess however is just chipset compatibility. I have noticed the BIOS has pretty radically changed with the latest update (F6C), with missing memory related features now being included, but certain timings were also removed... However there are still some default compatibility issues I've faced such as needing drivers on hand via usb if not using ethernet controller, needing to enable network stack, and needing to enabled CSM support on legacy only storage to be able to see your drives.
I'm sorry to hear. I've been running this board for months using the same sticks as Wendell had in the video using EXPO with no issues. Hope you solve your issue!
@@guitaristkuro8898 Interesting, maybe the platform likes the CL30 more. That would be very unfortunate. I don't know if RMA is an option in your case. You don't seem to be getting what you payed for.
Just found your channel through Broken silicon, I wanted to ask. is there now at this point any AM5 motherboard with lots of pcie connectivity? I don't have a fat GPU so I don't care about where the slots are lol
I was going to say that this video is weridly timed, but honestly, at this point, it may drum up a bit of hype for X/B650/70 boards, given its timing. As always, _engagement_.
Yeah I've tossed using all the asus software as well more or less. In fact, I more or less had to (my monitoring software was angry with all these armory crate processes lol). I use Argus Monitor for fan control in Windows (great tool, tho I think there's a decent open source alternative now; when I tried out AM, most ryzen fan chips simply weren't compatible with open source software), and it's really nice at allowing me to ramp up my case fans as needed if anything gets too hot, cpu, gpu, or even drives. It's also really nice since most BIOS curves don't seem to monitor GPU Temps, and the granularity of the curve and idle baseline fan speed generally lacking. Granted, though, I've maxed out my case with noctua 140mms, so I'm going to have nice airflow even at low rpms; mileage may vary with people with either minimal airflow cases, or sub optimal case fan configs. Sadly, there's no mature RGB software that's open source, but what I've seen is pretty nice and hopefully gets better in the future.
To me the AM5 board with the best PCIe layout is still the Asus Prime X670-P, Wifi or not. A PCIe 4 x16 slot (PCIe 5 would've been even better but whatever, still no PCIe 5 GPUs and even once they exist they will practically not be bottlenecked by PCIe 4 for generations to come), a PCIe 4 x4 slot, another PCIe 4 x4 slot, a PCIe 3 x1 slot, a PCIe 5 M.2 slot, PCIe 4 M.2 slot, and finally another PCIe 4 M.2 slot, AND nothing that automatically disables something else if populated besides the PCIe 3 x1 slot disabling two of the six (!) SATA ports, AAAAND all the secondary PCIe slots are stacked at the bottom meaning you can install a three slot GPU and still not block any of them, unlike on A LOT of other boards that only come with three PCIe slots in the first place and see a modern GPU blocking two of them because the upper ones are only two slots apart (thanks for nothing, board makers). Granted the last PCIe 4 NVMe slot and the two PCIe 4 x4 slots CAN all bottleneck each other through the chipset, but in a lot of use cases like PCIe 3 NVMes, sound cards or network cards (you'll need one if you want 10 GBit) you'd have to run all those devices at full speed plus a bunch of front USB3 devices through the motherboard headers at full speed at the same time to start bottlenecking the chipset. I facepalmed over the daisychained chipsets when the platform was first launched but you'd really have to stress literally everything at the same time for it to become a problem.
Actually now that I look at it, I would prefer it supported 3 x8 slots instead. I don't need that x16. I would use 8x GPU, 8x NVMe expansion and 8x NIC
@@LA-MJ What the heck do you need x8 for on a network card? You do realize PCIe 4 x8 is almost 16 Gbyte/s or 128 Gbit/s, right? There isn't a drive quick enough to read or write data at this rate.
I want all the pcie. I don't need anything else from a mobo but socket, ram, vrm, and a couple usb 2.0 ports. Maybe a cheapo ethernet Pcie slot all the things!
I can't find any documentation for the GIGABYTE X670 AORUS ELITE AX stating an m.2 slot is shared with the pcie 4.0 x16 slot when using all 4 m.2 slots. Is this only when using all 4 or is there a specific m.2 slot that is always shared with the gpu? Thanks
I have that motherboard and I think Wendell got confused with the B650 or something, I have all the m.2 slots populated and my GPU is still at pcie 4.0 x16
Only ASUS released a x670 mini-itx board, and it's super expensive. I was super disappointed to also see the min-itx version of the b650 also being a lot more expensive than the Micro ATX verions considering there are even less micro atx enthusiast than mini-itx.
Most mitx boards are expensive, they were under AM4, the thing is that the matx boards are more practical, it's just a pity you can't get a relatively flat compact case for them like with an mitx.
I know we don’t have gpus yet but Are the x670E boards the only way to get psi5 express x16 and nvme5 x4 to run at the same time? How does intels platform differ
It was so dumb of AMD to make 4 segments of motherboards with no ddr4 options. They should've made the E series boards ddr5 and left the base models ddr4. Or they could've just made the B650 non E series ddr4. I probably would've bought a new CPU if I could've used my memory on a reasonably priced board.
AMD came out with the best-ever CPU technology (especially when the X3D variants come out), only to force the motherboard vendors to only offer that technology pre-shot in the foot. It's a double whammy - you pay more for the memory and you pay more for the motherboard, such that end users (many of them, anyway) simply buy cheaper Intel technology instead. AMD single-handedly saved Intel from being totally beat by AMD on the merits. Oh well, competition is good, I guess. Ironically, if I could only get a cheap enough 7000 series motherboard with cheaper DDR4 memory, then populate it with a 7000X3D CPU, the extra V-Cache on the CPU would for the most part offset the slowness of the DDR4 versus potential DDR5 memory. I would be tickled pink with a 7800X3D plus 128 GB of DDR4. But (per Wendell's other video) we can't get more than 64 GB of DDR5 memory to work well with the AMD-imposed restriction that we have to use DDR5 memory. And to even get 64 GB of DDR5 to work OK, you have to throttle it down to a lower speed than it's capable of. This puts me in the quandary of, maybe I'm better off (in terms of bang for the buck - and note that the AMD fanboys who have helped AMD to become so successful have always been about the band for the buck) buying two 5800X3D systems with 64 GB DDR4 each than one 7800X3D system with 64 GB DDR5.
I hate how complicated these new PCIE scenarios are on AM5. 4 M.2 slots was a selling point for me on any board. Now If I use them on my b650E aorus master, it cuts my GPU performance? That's not fair. Consumers have no way to know this stuff without deep dives like this video. How does using sata factor in? I remember on x570 using m.2's would sometimes cut out specific sata ports, Does the x670e master have the same issue with m.2 and splitting PCIE lanes? I don't even need pcie 4 speeds on every m.2, nevermind pcie 5. I honestly would be fine with pcie 3 speeds on 2 of my 4 slots.
Anyone with an idea where does one get a single port Pcie Gen4 x4 electrical or x2 physical NIC with 25Gbps or 40Gbps? The fact that I see only x8 NICs is annoying. I need to use those ports at the bottom of my x570!
To be honest, your best bet might actually be to get a multi port 10GbE card and use link aggregation. Not ideal but 25 and 40Gbit is very enterprise grade so you're probably mostly going to find old ex enterprise hardware that's too old for smaller lane count gen 4 connections.
This would be a great video topic for Wendell to tackle! He knows a lot about enterprise caliber networking, and the cheap-but-ancient-used-network-gear market is such that gaining info about what to buy to achieve a given goal is seemingly a hard-fought battle for networking amateurs. I don't want to have to get Cisco certified just to make my server and my gaming PC and my AI PC play networking nicely together.
Unfortunately, my new Gigabyte motherboard came with a non-functioning CMOS and I returned it for another make. I had purchased a Gigabyte motherboard a year ago and it came with a non-functioning LAN. So much for Gigabyte's claim to be "durable" if they can't even ship products that work!
Frustrated that no one talks about what kinds of memory can be used on these boards. l have 2 Hyper M.2 X16 V2 Cards 4 NVMe drives on each card they don’t work unless you go to treadripper Boards like the WRX80E please clarity if these boards can run these cards All 8 drives thanks Wendell
AMD finally has a platform with nothing but APUs that all support 4 displays, and you still can't get more than 1 HDMI on a gaming-class motherboard. Minor but it's a shame.
Imagine spending 250 on a mobo let alone 300$ to not have pci e 5 for the card, no thanks. Plus you only get a "low to mid tier" board aorus elite or tuf for 300 is a joke, It may not be useful now but if you upgrade to like a 5090ti I dont know, or even 6090, it may matter? Those prices are stupid feel very overpriced and need to be boycotted lol and I just cheched the x670e master is 2.5gbs port not even 10 so yeahh spend 500$ to still not even the bests features out there. Intel at least still wins with memory OC, I was so disapointed when I heard 6000 was the sweet spot for 7000 series..they even mentioned in their presentation how it would have great memory OC capabilities (yeah right...)
If you have a good enough AM4 machine then it is too early to upgrade anyway, unless you have a specific use case that requires it and will pay you in time and money then just wait for better chipsets and better prices.
@@LA-MJ I would guess some heavy data modelling cards doing simulations, you want as much power as you can for some of that, especially if you haven't optimised the mathematics like some engineering companies. 🤣
I do not recommend Gigabyte B650E Aorus Master. Some of these mobos are factory defective (poor quality control). They will cause black screens when paired with Ryzen 7950x (and sometimes with the other models). Mine was one of those factory defective ones and I've been waiting for a month now for Gigabte to replace my motherboard (still haven't received a replacement). You can check my chan nel for a video I shot of mine. There are also Reddit threads about this (search B650E Aorus Master black screen). What's worse is some people won't even know this since the problem doesn't happen in every software or game and will think it's their video card, PSU or monitor that's at fault, wasting hours or days of their time when it's the Gigabyte motherboard. For example, I can run hours of Cinebench R23 without any issues, but as soon as I run Corona benchmark, OCCT large dataset or Prime95, I get black screens. Typical for Gigabyte, they are playing dumb and still haven't even officially acknowledged the problem. I wrote to their support and they also "don't know" about this issue. I'm very disappointed with Gigabyte as a company. Just don't buy it. It's not worth the time, money and hassle RMA'ing, believe me.
@@romanpirschel3053 Yes, I did. I asked for my money back and just bought an Asus motherboard instead and it's been running trouble free so far. Gigabyte didn't resolve my issue - they lied that they repaired the motherboard and when I received back the "repaired" motherboard, it had exactly the same issue - black screen under CPU load.
@@bgtubber thanx for the reply, are you sure it was not a RAM problem? Did you tried different RAM sticks? Preferably ones from support list of the board? I ordered this motherboard, going to try it next week with 7800x3d, but little bit scared after reading forums about this issues...
@@romanpirschel3053 Yes. You can also try Corona Benchmark as the same happens there if the motherboard is defective. Sometimes it takes 2 or 3 runs of the benchmark before the screen goes black.
Its a shame AMD does not fix their edc bug with ryzen 5000 and 3000 that limits PBO, altho that bug can be avoided by applying PBO from windows instead, and there even a tool that lets you apply it as scheduled task on github, still tho :| AMD not fixing things drives value down just like their broken radeon drivers that been broken for 6 months just google AMD drivers are slipping again or hardware acceleration is broken since 22.7.1 btw its been broken since 22.5.2 actually.
If you gonna do linux on those boards honestly do it with AMD gpu maybe 7900 XT or XTX if they have opensource drivers, there no point doing windows cos windows drivers are trash right now :(, im not to experienced with linux other then shell and if had better experience on linux so far then i had in last 6 months on windows, it just works well linux is windows does not work it crashes and blackscreens all the time.
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k I had to figure out Manjaro but it was really quick to learn, configuring stuff went almost perfect as well made some errors then fixed those errors as well, pretty sure normal user would probably just reinstall and try again :D
AM5 sadly is one big clucsterfuck stability wise. AMD is in big problem as many people switch back or switch to Intel due to these instability issues AMD is having. Every Windows update breaks AMD drivers also. One day im stable, the other day i get weird issues and i cannot even go in BIOS to change something.. I have the Elite Ax board.
@@strobelightstrobelight nah, its not a good board at all imo. The Intel nic has a lot of problems which i also have. I contacted Gigabyte about it and i hope they will do something about it. The LAn keeps dropping out and there is no fix for it.
The am5 motherboards are still way too expensive. Where are the $100 B50 boards that AM4 had or $150 X70 boards. Since when was $349 cheap. Get rid of the wifi from these boards. Desktops shouldn't use wifi as they should have a big fat ethernet pipe to you main modem / router.
tell gigabyte to improve their bios.....i own x570 aorus master n its bios is horrible wid all kinds of bugs including USB disconnection even with the latest BIOS version ..... so always check its BIOS before giving reviews........... MSI bios is way better they should learn from them.......... this will be the last gigabyte mobo i own ............
Its ok Editor Autumn, lots of things get mixed up in launch times.
I'd love to see more specific VFIO passthrough and IOMMU Grupps stuff for AM5 since it seems to be somewhat different from the previous ones
Agreed. I am looking to build an AM5 linux workstation used to run VM's and to use GPU passthrough and this video prompted even more factors I need to consider for the build. Has there been any more recent boards released (Feb 2023) then this video which is Oct 2022?
@@tyroneburton5064 bump for interest. I've been asking around but there doesn't seem to be too much info on the matter unfortunately
@@xKore94 any updates?
I would LOVE a B650E Master but if you look online so many people are having problems with this board blacking out under CPU load. Unfortunately I’m not really prepared to play lottery with over £400…
I can confirm the random reboot under cinebench r23 load on the x670 elite ax. Only way to fix it is disabling C-states
No issues with my b650e. Tested with both 7600x and 7700x cpus.
I had the same issue with my B650E Aorus Master - black screens when the CPU is under load. It's been almost a month and I still haven't received a replacement from Gigabyte. Bad product, non-existent support and _TERRIBLE_ RMA experience. I'm never buying a Gigabyte product ever again.
@@vincentvega3093 I had tried this and it didn't fix it for me. Besides, disabling C-states is not really recommended. You get lower single core performance (if you don't do static overclocking). It's best to just return the defective motherboard.
@@njasicko This happens mostly with the higher powered CPUs like 7950x and 7900x. Apparently the VRMs don't get stressed enough with 7600x/7700x to cause the black screens. So if you upgrade to 7950x or a similarly powerful next gen CPU in a few years, you might start getting the issue that you thought didn't have.
My most recent build was on an Aorus board with a last-gen Ryzen 9. I've had really good luck with it and the price was right in the sweet spot for what I wanted to spend - about $250. Not sure when my next build will be but Aorus seems pretty solid so far.
I see the diagram on the X670 Aorus Elite AX and you are saying that this motherboard are loosing 8x from the 16x slot when using the 4 M.2 slot. But the diagram, the info in the manual and the website does not say anytthing about any M.2 sharing bandwith with any other slots. I am interesting in this board, but only if i can use all 4 M.2 without sharing bandwith with the 16x slot!
Iv got the X670 AORUS ELITE AX.
Managed to get ram up to 6400mhz no issues at all. But settled on 6200mhz since it allowed me to keep a 1:1 ratio.
One big thing to note is Gigabyte has really been dropping the ball on the bios support on this board and F5 bios is still the only properly stable one.
F6f straight out bricked the board and you had to return it.
F6e caused instability when booting into windows which is what my RMA board came with but going back to F5 fixed that.
Took them 3 weeks to remove this bios from there website.
Then they released F7f which has C-State bug.
Then F7d which has core enabled bug which stops single CCX CPUs from working.
They removed these bios for 2 weeks then put them back on the website as F6d and F6c but they still have those issues.
whats this 1:1 ratio?
how's the F8a?
@@jaxzor Has hot reboot bugs, If you restart from windows then you get stuck on a black screen. Where shutting down and turning it back on is fine. Sleep issue still not fixed and worse overclocking then F5
Thanks for your comment, i got Asus ROG B650E Strix-F Gaming instead
I've been waiting for this!
Thank you from Malaysia! ❤❤❤
small correction on the audio: The X670 aorus elite ax does not have an ALC1220, it has the aging ALC897
so I went with the Wendell advice (before the fact admittedly) and went with the MSI PRO-X670 board and I've had a lot of problems getting it going. No POST codes and an inability to flash the BIOS didn't help. These Gigabyte boards look good. Maybe I shoulda gone with one of those.
Years ago I worked at somewhere that only bought Gigabyte boards for researchers server projects, mainly due to the dual bios tech and much greater hardware recovery on the motherboard. Hopefully it's still true today.
I don't think you're right about the X670 AORUS ELITE AX dropping the main x16 slot down to x8 if the second CPU-fed M.2 slot is populated. The CPU provides x4 bandwidth to both M.2 slots separately of the x16 slot....don't forget Zen 4 has four more PCIE lanes than Zen 3 etc.
I think you're right!
I hope I'm understanding this correctly.
Where did he state this? Was it around the 3:50 mark?
Edit: He start speaking about this at 4:14 and it is being pointed out on the block diagram of the board at 4:35.
I've been trying to figure this out for sure too, to basically no success.
I've seen you mention things you're going to cover on Level1 Linux at least a few times now in the last week. Hopefully soon! I'd like to delve into the whole Linux machine with Windows gaming VM thing for my next rig, so some more motherboard feature breakouts for that use case would be super useful. K thanks!
Whoa just learned of the level 1 Linux channel because of this video. Wish you mentioned it sooner!
They have, many times and regularly for years. 🤣
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k ok
The pricing of AM5 boards in New Zealand - are *INSANE* Most X670E boards cost more than a 7950X! Even the MATX boards are STUPIDLY expensive.
14:00 - "I'm the exception" - there are dozens of us!!!
As a Gigabyte/ Aorus user for many years, the motherboards and bios have been great for me ….. I definitely agree to avoid their rgb software thou 🤦♀🤦♂🤦🙈 it’s a shocker! But I don’t really use rgb so no loss for me …. And if I do use it, it’s rainbow 🌈 puke 🤮 mode 😅😂🤣! I’m waiting for the X700 series chipset to come out and new x3D V-cache cpu to come out before I upgrade from my am4 setup.
i wish it could sync with razer synapse
I remember when i bought my 7950X at launch there were X670E boards for ~$220US now you'd be lucky to get a B650 with fewer features for $250
FYI i wanted the 4 M.2 slots for my 4 Intel Optane 905 U.2 for special metadata and cache.
What we really need is for cpu manufacturers to give us more pci lanes so we don't have to do this dance of "if i connect peripheral x to slot y, how much bandwidth do I lose on my gpu or some other high bandwidth peripheral... it's sooo annoying. and if you're like me and have 3-4 m.2 drives, a gpu, and want to install a quad 4k video capture card, you're pretty much SOL... and we STILL don't have non-pro threadripper with zen4 or even a modern xeon-w... where's all the low end workstation gear?
If only they redrived part of Gen5 lanes to Gen3 you would have all the lanes one could want
"workstation" is inherently NOT "low end".
In short, buy B650E motherboard instead X670 (non-E) because PCIE 5.0 x 16 is more future proofing even in lower tier B series chipset than PCIE 4.0 on X670, unless money aren't the issue, go X670E instead.
Right now, there's still no killer feature that would make me move to AM5. It's just too expensive to even begin considering with little to no benefit to me personally.
They all are supposed to have integrated BIOS flashback capability. The only other thing that starts to justify the cost is the fact it'll be supported until at least 2025. It's not insignificant to know they'll absolutely have to be testing and putting out updates that long. Motherboard manufacturers get to be done with all LGA1700 boards outside of warranty and some massive vulnerability discovery. AM5 also offers more PCIe 5.0 lanes, so it's not like the cost is going no where.
That said, I understand just not needing any of those things. If you're already on a board with at least PCIe 4.0 there is little risk of IO bottlenecks being a problem any time soon. Only a 16 core with v-cache would make me want to upgrade.
@@blkspade23 I don't need PCIe so the added cost is meaningless to me. If anything, it's keeping me from buying it because the price is too high. Don't care what the reason is if it means I'm not going to buy it
Ok. The B650E Aorus master is my new favorite motherboard. I like the ASRock Livemixer. I really like the ASUS Strix B650E-I, but the Gigabyte Aorus Master looks sweet! However, I have talked myself up to a $350 board, and $300 for 64 GB premium DDR5, and as a 5950X owner who upgraded my whole computer in 2022, I’ll be honest: even with the promise of a 7950X3D, this pricing kills my buzz! $1400-ish for the whole enchilada? At that price, my 5950X is kinda fast enough. I just upgraded to Windows 11 and everything feels snappy and great with new animations and better dark mode support! It also feels like, though the CPUs might be expensive and hard to get because Intel ded, Zen 5 X3D would be a far more sensible jump from a 5950x, right? Then again, for much of the last few years, one has wanted the best computer one can get. Very torn, but impressed how much the price of DDR5 has come down since Alder Lake’s launch! Wow…
Curious about ASUS ProArt X670E-Creator. Only one from X670E i saw that has 10GbE and USB 4 Thunderbolt connections.
Rather interesting, yet quite fragmented specs and features wise between these chipsets and same name/tier board with each chipset. I'm still on X570 Aorus Elite since it's release and it's good. Waiting for X3D to upgrade, still not sure which to get. PCIe 5.0 for GPU doesn't seem to matter so really only need min 1 PCIe 5.0 for M.2 though. Lack of USB4 is odd strangely.
The packaging looks really cool
MSI x670 Ace?
got my hands on that X670 Elite AX in a deal before Christmas for 270e and it's been great so far
miles better than Asus B650 A-Gaming which I returned after 2 weeks because it couldn't even properly run 5600Mhz EXPO profile, let alone manual OC
I'm using the same board on linux. Works great. It's even controllable through openRGB.
I like my PCIe flexibility for a GPU, 2+ NVMe drives, and 10G NICs. I like to cycle my gaming hardware down to home server systems after upgrades and having more PCIe there is a huge plus for NICs, HBAs, whatever.
i have gigabyte x670e torus master and work like a dream!
Would love you guys to look at msi pro x670 wifi-p and see what you think of it. Loving the layout of it and very happy that it comes with 6 chassis fan headers.
i bought that one for my setup... and it came DoA with a "usb overload fault" with nothing connected... 3 weeks of RMA later there was no replacement and i had to change to a gigabyte x670 aorus ax for no extra price
@@gglovato that's super unfortunate. Glad you were able to get another Motherboard. Hopefully, I won't get the same issue.
@@Typhosion googling the failure it seems to be a very "common" occurrence with MSI motherboards even on the x470 and x570 mb, full of forum and reddit posts all over the place. I really wanted that motherboard as it has the excellent ALC4080 and a decent layout, but the rear usb ports are kind of lacking
Thank you so much!!! I was seriously considering the x670e rog micro… (edit) Just Sub’ed to Level1 Linux channel.. 🤫
I can’t find the B650E AORUS MASTER on Amazon or Best Buy or anywhere what the heck
No problem bruv, thank you.
The reason for dropping 7.1 analog, is headphones are best in stereo, and good surround sound will just use HDMI. I use the iGPU to send audio on to my receiver, works great.
Correct me if im wrong but I believe that X670 AORUS ELITE AX is not Sharing any pcie lanes. you could run all m.2 slots and main pcie x16 4.0 would run just fine.
I love the layout for the B650e, but this is not my buying cycle, and I usually wait for at least an inevitable rev1.1 for gigabyte boards.
I'd wager the next motherboard iteration will have PCIe5 chipset instead of PCIe4.
The X670 one got a 1.1 rev only 1-2 months after release.
I miss Threadripper PRO compatible motherboards those usually have what I mainly really want PCIE Slots, not lanes SLOTS, I miss expandibility, most Ryzen consumer boards only have 2 maybe 3 slots. Where am I supposed to put all my PCIE expansion HBA, USB Hub(?), capture, and 10Gb LAN cards.
Agreed. Manufacturers limiting PCIe lanes leads to running out of lanes to feed the slots we want. Ryzen 7000 has 24 lanes: 16 to top slot, 4 to m.2, then MAYBE one x2 slot and two x1 slots if we’re lucky. Threadripper (64 lanes) isn’t affordable for most of us that just want more options.
My b650e strix board (rip) the 4.0x1 slots i could have used for my 10Gbit NIC but they closed up the slot ao it wouldnt go in. Its nice being in a physically larger slot.
I was planning on building an am5 pc but Where i have seen numerous complaints on these boards with bios etc i will just stick with an am4 until further notice for now
Sorry, what did I saw? What is a "GIGABYTE Add-in-Card Connector"?????
What kind of "Add-in-Card" is that for??
3:35 the X670 Aorus Elite AX's x16 slot runs at PCIe 4.0?
Yes
The only thing I use AMD RAID for is my server backup (so spinny bois). I sync my TrueNAS server to my desktop, both to have a second on-site copy and to upload it to B1 (while they don't want businesses doing this, obviously, B1 is truly unlimited for customers; there are customers with several hundred terabytes of data on B1, mine is much more modest lol). I've found using windows storage spaces, while likely better for JBOD management, that it's just not hardened from random software bugs introduced by windows updates. The windows storage space bug wrecked my previous storage space (which is what made me build my truenas box, thankfully I was able to create a comprehensive recovery), so I simply can't trust them. And with RAIDABLE, I can just chuck in another 14TB drive or something and call it a day. Once it's properly setup, one can use syncthing or acrosync or something and just sync everything forward from the server (but not backwards from the desktop).
its amazing how far things have come since x370
..aside from losing all the analog audio inputs now i have to get a soundcard if i upgrade
@@mikes567 What inputs do you really need?
An analog mic in and and line in should be sufficient.
Those arent the best ofc but thats the way it always was.
i have an older 5.1 setup
I go the Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE AX Gaming Desktop Motherboard AM5 motherboard and it's laright.
Nothing is perfect so I would say it's main weakness is lack of audio out jacks, and poor location of only 4 SATA ports.
Ypu can get around both of those problems though.
I bought it for the 4 nvme slots and then have yet to use any of them use. I stuck to the SATA ports.
I wanna know why BIOS update via IP in the UEFI/BIOS hasn't been fully embraced since the AM3+ era. I started selling custom PCs exclusively with ASRock motherboards because I knew they had BIOS update via IP from the BIOS. Sure, updating BIOS was scary back then because "OMG! What if there's a power outage?!" so I always kept a spare CMOS chip on-hand and would hotflash if a BIOS got corrupted, but it never happened during an update. No, the only BIOS corruptions I got were when the CR2032 in the MBs died.
8:05 wait you can control RGB from BIOS? Is that a new feature because I've been turning RGB off in BIOS on my Gigabyte x570 master since its default is, for some insane reason, orange instead of white..
You can turn of rgb in BIOS. I have the x670 elite ax. Its rainbow puke instead of previous static amber//orange
@@vincentvega3093 It is insane to me, to not offer OFF/WHITE/PUKE instead of OFF/ORANGE inside the BIOS. It's soo half-assed
@@owlmostdead9492 Well, orange is the highlight colour of the Aorus boards...
@@FutureChaosTV I don’t give a sh*t about that, white not being the default is sub-human, period.
I think of buying the X670 mobo and been reading reviews about the memory and also looked at the manual online it supports DDR5 5200. How can I get the 6200 like you said?
Thank you love your videos
Just built a system with X670 Aorus Elite last month. Have had issues with XMP/EXPO since day one.
BIOS updates have improved stability slightly but I cannot use EXPO even if I don't touch my RAM speed.
I've gone and attempted all the manual adjustments I can with no luck, PC becomes increasingly unstable and I had to reflash and repair windows.
I'm going to exchange the board in case I've gotten unlucky with my board.
If it turns out it's not the board I will try a third ram kit. My guess however is just chipset compatibility.
I have noticed the BIOS has pretty radically changed with the latest update (F6C), with missing memory related features now being included, but certain timings were also removed...
However there are still some default compatibility issues I've faced such as needing drivers on hand via usb if not using ethernet controller, needing to enable network stack, and needing to enabled CSM support on legacy only storage to be able to see your drives.
I'm sorry to hear. I've been running this board for months using the same sticks as Wendell had in the video using EXPO with no issues. Hope you solve your issue!
@@hugsun5918 I have the Trident Z5 Neo but at CL32 6000.
@@guitaristkuro8898 Interesting, maybe the platform likes the CL30 more. That would be very unfortunate. I don't know if RMA is an option in your case. You don't seem to be getting what you payed for.
Just found your channel through Broken silicon, I wanted to ask. is there now at this point any AM5 motherboard with lots of pcie connectivity? I don't have a fat GPU so I don't care about where the slots are lol
Downside of gigabyte is the ITE Ec. Not well supported on linux.
I was going to say that this video is weridly timed, but honestly, at this point, it may drum up a bit of hype for X/B650/70 boards, given its timing.
As always, _engagement_.
Gigabytes cut down audio annoys me. I only use speakers
Have you built with either of these, and would you part with either one?
I would have updated to the x670 series already except the motherboard prices are insane.
I dont agree about the sound. For me it must have 5,1 out. Asus have this on most.
Would like to see your top10 in order
Maybe show itx format some love? MSI MPG B650I Edge WIFI ...?
Yeah I've tossed using all the asus software as well more or less. In fact, I more or less had to (my monitoring software was angry with all these armory crate processes lol). I use Argus Monitor for fan control in Windows (great tool, tho I think there's a decent open source alternative now; when I tried out AM, most ryzen fan chips simply weren't compatible with open source software), and it's really nice at allowing me to ramp up my case fans as needed if anything gets too hot, cpu, gpu, or even drives. It's also really nice since most BIOS curves don't seem to monitor GPU Temps, and the granularity of the curve and idle baseline fan speed generally lacking. Granted, though, I've maxed out my case with noctua 140mms, so I'm going to have nice airflow even at low rpms; mileage may vary with people with either minimal airflow cases, or sub optimal case fan configs.
Sadly, there's no mature RGB software that's open source, but what I've seen is pretty nice and hopefully gets better in the future.
What is the best board for AM5 sofar you have tested? Talking max €400,- budget
To me the AM5 board with the best PCIe layout is still the Asus Prime X670-P, Wifi or not. A PCIe 4 x16 slot (PCIe 5 would've been even better but whatever, still no PCIe 5 GPUs and even once they exist they will practically not be bottlenecked by PCIe 4 for generations to come), a PCIe 4 x4 slot, another PCIe 4 x4 slot, a PCIe 3 x1 slot, a PCIe 5 M.2 slot, PCIe 4 M.2 slot, and finally another PCIe 4 M.2 slot, AND nothing that automatically disables something else if populated besides the PCIe 3 x1 slot disabling two of the six (!) SATA ports, AAAAND all the secondary PCIe slots are stacked at the bottom meaning you can install a three slot GPU and still not block any of them, unlike on A LOT of other boards that only come with three PCIe slots in the first place and see a modern GPU blocking two of them because the upper ones are only two slots apart (thanks for nothing, board makers). Granted the last PCIe 4 NVMe slot and the two PCIe 4 x4 slots CAN all bottleneck each other through the chipset, but in a lot of use cases like PCIe 3 NVMes, sound cards or network cards (you'll need one if you want 10 GBit) you'd have to run all those devices at full speed plus a bunch of front USB3 devices through the motherboard headers at full speed at the same time to start bottlenecking the chipset. I facepalmed over the daisychained chipsets when the platform was first launched but you'd really have to stress literally everything at the same time for it to become a problem.
Sounds good
Actually now that I look at it, I would prefer it supported 3 x8 slots instead. I don't need that x16. I would use 8x GPU, 8x NVMe expansion and 8x NIC
@@LA-MJ What the heck do you need x8 for on a network card? You do realize PCIe 4 x8 is almost 16 Gbyte/s or 128 Gbit/s, right? There isn't a drive quick enough to read or write data at this rate.
@@Turbobuttes tell it to stupid manufacturers. I am yet to find a proper PCIe4 x4 NIC. All of them are PCIe3 x8
I want all the pcie.
I don't need anything else from a mobo but socket, ram, vrm, and a couple usb 2.0 ports. Maybe a cheapo ethernet
Pcie slot all the things!
does anyone knows what device is the blinking thing behind Wendell? the one in his shelf
I can't find any documentation for the GIGABYTE X670 AORUS ELITE AX stating an m.2 slot is shared with the pcie 4.0 x16 slot when using all 4 m.2 slots. Is this only when using all 4 or is there a specific m.2 slot that is always shared with the gpu? Thanks
I have that motherboard and I think Wendell got confused with the B650 or something, I have all the m.2 slots populated and my GPU is still at pcie 4.0 x16
I’m curious about the asus prime b650-Plus am5 motherboard. Right now $180 for a ryzen 7900xt.
Would love to see super cheap motherboards
Does this board have ECLK Generator just like the X670e Master and the normal b650 elite?
More motherboards I can't afford or will buy.
do the m/b 's work with 4 of those ram sticks ?
Only ASUS released a x670 mini-itx board, and it's super expensive. I was super disappointed to also see the min-itx version of the b650 also being a lot more expensive than the Micro ATX verions considering there are even less micro atx enthusiast than mini-itx.
Most mitx boards are expensive, they were under AM4, the thing is that the matx boards are more practical, it's just a pity you can't get a relatively flat compact case for them like with an mitx.
Can these do ECC?
So is the nhu12a is good for 7950x?
mid range is as good as the best boards now , and the best only have options more so than power , except for just a handful
I know we don’t have gpus yet but Are the x670E boards the only way to get psi5 express x16 and nvme5 x4 to run at the same time? How does intels platform differ
It was so dumb of AMD to make 4 segments of motherboards with no ddr4 options. They should've made the E series boards ddr5 and left the base models ddr4. Or they could've just made the B650 non E series ddr4. I probably would've bought a new CPU if I could've used my memory on a reasonably priced board.
AMD came out with the best-ever CPU technology (especially when the X3D variants come out), only to force the motherboard vendors to only offer that technology pre-shot in the foot. It's a double whammy - you pay more for the memory and you pay more for the motherboard, such that end users (many of them, anyway) simply buy cheaper Intel technology instead. AMD single-handedly saved Intel from being totally beat by AMD on the merits. Oh well, competition is good, I guess. Ironically, if I could only get a cheap enough 7000 series motherboard with cheaper DDR4 memory, then populate it with a 7000X3D CPU, the extra V-Cache on the CPU would for the most part offset the slowness of the DDR4 versus potential DDR5 memory. I would be tickled pink with a 7800X3D plus 128 GB of DDR4. But (per Wendell's other video) we can't get more than 64 GB of DDR5 memory to work well with the AMD-imposed restriction that we have to use DDR5 memory. And to even get 64 GB of DDR5 to work OK, you have to throttle it down to a lower speed than it's capable of. This puts me in the quandary of, maybe I'm better off (in terms of bang for the buck - and note that the AMD fanboys who have helped AMD to become so successful have always been about the band for the buck) buying two 5800X3D systems with 64 GB DDR4 each than one 7800X3D system with 64 GB DDR5.
I hate how complicated these new PCIE scenarios are on AM5. 4 M.2 slots was a selling point for me on any board. Now If I use them on my b650E aorus master, it cuts my GPU performance? That's not fair. Consumers have no way to know this stuff without deep dives like this video. How does using sata factor in? I remember on x570 using m.2's would sometimes cut out specific sata ports, Does the x670e master have the same issue with m.2 and splitting PCIE lanes? I don't even need pcie 4 speeds on every m.2, nevermind pcie 5. I honestly would be fine with pcie 3 speeds on 2 of my 4 slots.
Yes, but can I play tetris on it?
The Intel 2.5Gbps nic that has a design flaw without a fix?
What year is this? The 225 was fixed what? 3 years ago?
And i got a AM4 B550 ITX Board with all the Features for 150$.
Na3eeman for the haircut ;)
Anyone with an idea where does one get a single port Pcie Gen4 x4 electrical or x2 physical NIC with 25Gbps or 40Gbps? The fact that I see only x8 NICs is annoying. I need to use those ports at the bottom of my x570!
To be honest, your best bet might actually be to get a multi port 10GbE card and use link aggregation. Not ideal but 25 and 40Gbit is very enterprise grade so you're probably mostly going to find old ex enterprise hardware that's too old for smaller lane count gen 4 connections.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 neat idea, thanks
This would be a great video topic for Wendell to tackle! He knows a lot about enterprise caliber networking, and the cheap-but-ancient-used-network-gear market is such that gaining info about what to buy to achieve a given goal is seemingly a hard-fought battle for networking amateurs. I don't want to have to get Cisco certified just to make my server and my gaming PC and my AI PC play networking nicely together.
well I should have watched this before I got that x670e master
Unfortunately, my new Gigabyte motherboard came with a non-functioning CMOS and I returned it for another make. I had purchased a Gigabyte motherboard a year ago and it came with a non-functioning LAN. So much for Gigabyte's claim to be "durable" if they can't even ship products that work!
Frustrated that no one talks about what kinds of memory can be used on these boards. l have 2 Hyper M.2 X16 V2 Cards 4 NVMe drives on each card they don’t work unless you go to treadripper Boards like the WRX80E please clarity if these boards can run these cards All 8 drives thanks Wendell
Do you mean storage, and more specifically PCIe bifurcation?
l am going to use one card as mass storage the other card you will see them as 4 drives and haha l have a 3rd M.2 5 SSD but l won’t even go there
Depends on the card. If they rely on PCIe bifurcation, they probably won't work here as there isn't the electrical wiring in the additional slots.
there ASUS M.2 Cards
You need 16 lanes each so no
I fucking hate we are losing 7.1 analog I =still use that its so good though
adequate thermal paste = thermal grizzly kryonaut extreme
Day 6 of asking Wendell for more OpenShift content
AMD finally has a platform with nothing but APUs that all support 4 displays, and you still can't get more than 1 HDMI on a gaming-class motherboard. Minor but it's a shame.
Any modern monitor that has HDMI inputs also has DP inputs.
Imagine spending 250 on a mobo let alone 300$ to not have pci e 5 for the card, no thanks.
Plus you only get a "low to mid tier" board aorus elite or tuf for 300 is a joke, It may not be useful now but if you upgrade to like a 5090ti I dont know, or even 6090, it may matter? Those prices are stupid feel very overpriced and need to be boycotted lol and I just cheched the x670e master is 2.5gbs port not even 10 so yeahh spend 500$ to still not even the bests features out there.
Intel at least still wins with memory OC, I was so disapointed when I heard 6000 was the sweet spot for 7000 series..they even mentioned in their presentation how it would have great memory OC capabilities (yeah right...)
If you have a good enough AM4 machine then it is too early to upgrade anyway, unless you have a specific use case that requires it and will pay you in time and money then just wait for better chipsets and better prices.
What do you need PCI Gen 5 for anyway?
@@LA-MJ I would guess some heavy data modelling cards doing simulations, you want as much power as you can for some of that, especially if you haven't optimised the mathematics like some engineering companies. 🤣
...lookin good wend
ASUS ROG Strix X670E-E Gaming WiFi AX is the only choice if you're gaming.
I do not recommend Gigabyte B650E Aorus Master. Some of these mobos are factory defective (poor quality control). They will cause black screens when paired with Ryzen 7950x (and sometimes with the other models). Mine was one of those factory defective ones and I've been waiting for a month now for Gigabte to replace my motherboard (still haven't received a replacement). You can check my chan nel for a video I shot of mine. There are also Reddit threads about this (search B650E Aorus Master black screen). What's worse is some people won't even know this since the problem doesn't happen in every software or game and will think it's their video card, PSU or monitor that's at fault, wasting hours or days of their time when it's the Gigabyte motherboard. For example, I can run hours of Cinebench R23 without any issues, but as soon as I run Corona benchmark, OCCT large dataset or Prime95, I get black screens. Typical for Gigabyte, they are playing dumb and still haven't even officially acknowledged the problem. I wrote to their support and they also "don't know" about this issue. I'm very disappointed with Gigabyte as a company. Just don't buy it. It's not worth the time, money and hassle RMA'ing, believe me.
did you resolved your issue?
@@romanpirschel3053 Yes, I did. I asked for my money back and just bought an Asus motherboard instead and it's been running trouble free so far. Gigabyte didn't resolve my issue - they lied that they repaired the motherboard and when I received back the "repaired" motherboard, it had exactly the same issue - black screen under CPU load.
@@bgtubber thanx for the reply, are you sure it was not a RAM problem? Did you tried different RAM sticks? Preferably ones from support list of the board? I ordered this motherboard, going to try it next week with 7800x3d, but little bit scared after reading forums about this issues...
@@bgtubber yeah i have read multiple threads...ok I will try it, so as soon as it did not black screen during OCCT I should be fine am I right?
@@romanpirschel3053 Yes. You can also try Corona Benchmark as the same happens there if the motherboard is defective. Sometimes it takes 2 or 3 runs of the benchmark before the screen goes black.
"computer janitor"...lol
Its a shame AMD does not fix their edc bug with ryzen 5000 and 3000 that limits PBO, altho that bug can be avoided by applying PBO from windows instead, and there even a tool that lets you apply it as scheduled task on github, still tho :| AMD not fixing things drives value down just like their broken radeon drivers that been broken for 6 months just google AMD drivers are slipping again or hardware acceleration is broken since 22.7.1 btw its been broken since 22.5.2 actually.
If you gonna do linux on those boards honestly do it with AMD gpu maybe 7900 XT or XTX if they have opensource drivers, there no point doing windows cos windows drivers are trash right now :(, im not to experienced with linux other then shell and if had better experience on linux so far then i had in last 6 months on windows, it just works well linux is windows does not work it crashes and blackscreens all the time.
The shell is Linux, you probably just need to read up and extend your skills for things like the bash shell.
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k I had to figure out Manjaro but it was really quick to learn, configuring stuff went almost perfect as well made some errors then fixed those errors as well, pretty sure normal user would probably just reinstall and try again :D
ugh.. i use 7.1 speakers still, I dont care for wearing headphones of hours at a time and headphones dont last near as long as a good set of speakers.
AM5 sadly is one big clucsterfuck stability wise. AMD is in big problem as many people switch back or switch to Intel due to these instability issues AMD is having. Every Windows update breaks AMD drivers also. One day im stable, the other day i get weird issues and i cannot even go in BIOS to change something.. I have the Elite Ax board.
I ordered a pc with the elite ax, it’s going well? People are complaining about it. I don’t understand
@@strobelightstrobelight nah, its not a good board at all imo. The Intel nic has a lot of problems which i also have. I contacted Gigabyte about it and i hope they will do something about it. The LAn keeps dropping out and there is no fix for it.
UEFI bios and no PS/2 keyboard mouse ports will make installing WIndows 7 and early an absolute nightmare on this motherboard. avoid.
In my counntry B650E Master is 450 euro.....X670 elite is 350 euro....X670E Master is 550 euro.All these youtubers only tell you about US prices.
Between GPU prices and these motherboards, they're not making it easy for people to want to own a PC.
I don't WANT 2.5 - I want 10g. I'm tired of board manufacturers trying to shove 2.5g down my throat when 10g has been around for nearly 2 decades now.
So buy a 10G board or NIC; no need to squawk about it.
@@tim3172 as soon as you insert the 10gb nic in slot 2, you lose half your pcie lanes on your gpu...
The am5 motherboards are still way too expensive. Where are the $100 B50 boards that AM4 had or $150 X70 boards. Since when was $349 cheap. Get rid of the wifi from these boards. Desktops shouldn't use wifi as they should have a big fat ethernet pipe to you main modem / router.
tell gigabyte to improve their bios.....i own x570 aorus master n its bios is horrible wid all kinds of bugs including USB disconnection even with the latest BIOS version ..... so always check its BIOS before giving reviews........... MSI bios is way better they should learn from them.......... this will be the last gigabyte mobo i own ............
Rip 80$ Motherboards...