Rambling about X670 motherboard pricing.
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Since I keep getting comments from idiots defendin their stupid purchasing decisions heres a short blog post on why buying the most expensive motherboards makes you an idiot: buildzoid.blogspot.com/2022/09/why-buying-most-expensive-motherboard.html
It could maybe be fun to compare those "Ultra" boards including the price for the other "Ultra" items (because a person that buys this is not going to not buy the most expensive memory kit an GPU as well) like with an EPYC board with CPU and memory and GPU (that is the actual high end) and see what kind of machine you can get with that same money.
It`s idiotic that they publish an MB that`s even nearly double as expensive as an actual PRO board for which we know that actual PRO stuff always has the actual price hike because Professionals doing Professional Professions with Proficient budgets use that.
hey, you have convinced me to get the Godlike ....and of course I will park it in my garage with my new Mercedes and Ferraris . But to be serious I want 2 things on motherboards, one is a postcode and the other is for all USB devices to work and not cut out
Based
I luv my ASUS Max Extreme. RAID 0 the two CPU M2 drives…
Also having a 1300$ Mainboard in your lineup makes all the mainboards look like they are value deals.
Which is BS but the psychology of it works.
"Those people are idiots and MSI is going to sell this to them"
Gold
W moment honestly
Idiots like RGB, Wifi and high prices!!!
Buildzoid tells it like it is.
We literally discussed this earlier, lol.
@@ianmoone8244 What's wrong with wifi?
If MSI slapped an NFT on it, they could probably find another 2000 idiots to sell that board to for even more money.
dont give them ideas man 🤣
DELET THIS
😂
Please don't give them ideas!
You silly goose 😆
"I want to build a pc. I have a budget of $1300."
Nah mate that's just enough to get you a motherboard.
The funny thing is, you can build 2x 12100f+6600 builds from scratch with that money...and you have change for a decent high refresh rate fhd monitor
"A good motherboard."
"A good motherboard."
"That's great if you're a file copying enthusiast" - Buildzoid 2022
NAS and media server owners sweatting profusely...
@@InternetEntity To be fair, you won't be getting PCIe 5 speeds over network unless you have enterprise grade gear.
@@InternetEntity Me, working with Windows XP and 7 images often for my Precisions:
@@InternetEntity Most NAS are on like Gigabit Ethernet that would bottleneck even mechanical hard drives lol.
Honestly, what's the percentage of people who even need NVME drives that saturate PCIe Gen 4 (x4) speeds? I imagine it must be tiny. Like, very tiny. And I expect them all to be people with "workstation" machines (that probably run a Threadripper [Pro] or something of that sorts). But "regular" users... come on.
And those drives are already barely capable of operating near their maximum sequential speeds for more than a minute or so before overheating and throttling down massively, unless you slap a BIG heatsink (not what comes with any motherboard - I mean an actual heatsink with a lot more surface area) onto them and put in a dedicated little fan that constantly blows onto that heatsink (unless you have very hefty airflow through the whole case).
I can't even imagine how hot NVME drives for PCIe Gen 5 are going to be. You can't tell me those will be able to run near their maximum speeds for longer than a few moments without _active_ cooling. Hell, maybe you'll need server-(rack)-level airflow to keep them under control.
If anyone reading this considers themself a "regular" user and is using Gen 4 SSDs and is actually pushing them to their limits, please respond to this and tell me about your use cases, I'd love to hear them!
MSI : we have the best mobo because it’s 1300$
Asus : hold my beer
ROG Maximus XIII Extreme Glacial, ROG MAXIMUS Z690 EXTREME GLACIAL, both are like 2k USD already
Actually have multiple USB 4 within the I/O 😂
Asus is the company that would charge $50 for a tshirt cause it says ROG on it. 2 decades of being the highest priced option for being no better than the competition.
@@zodwraith5745 Their marketing does over 90% of the legwork.
@@Cookiezina I thought you made these names up lol
Imagine spending $300 on a motherboard and you don't even get an integrated I/O shield. These companies got high on GPU profits over the last couple years and they've decided they like it and refuse to let that gravy train end. All of these parts need to rot on shelves.
Someone needs to remind these guys they aren't building Ferraris. They're putting another 20 bucks into their products and expecting you to pay double.
Don't buy the high end boards...the problem is people want aesthetics just as much as product if not more. That's all they're giving you on the high end. Pretty LEDs and effects and they charge you insane amounts for it.
Spoken like a true champion
@@GSP-76 yes, but at the same time I want to show off my build and have something nice on my desk, who wants to buy an ugly motherboard
its legit nuts. i paid 200$ for my b550 board and i feel that was already a bit much.
Not double. More like 3-5 Times more now.
calling them whale boards instead of enthusiast or high performance boards is just spot on perfect description that im going to use from now on
I personally wouldn't be so mad at motherboard prices if they at least tried to assert they were reliable by giving a longer warranty or something.
It's kinda why I have a hard time paying a premium for a board now because as far as I know, and the company knows, they are all equivalent reliability.
I already gladly pay more for a high-end power supply because you get some assurance it'll last longer with the more expensive unit having a ten/twelve year warranty vs only five for less expensive ones. Same story on SSDs too.
The more sophisticated the more prone to fail things become in general. Mind that these are electrical components and as long as been operated within specs they should outlast every warranty anyway. But physical obsolescence is a thing and will weather away the product. So no manufacturer will give more warranty than they can handle.
No one buying an expensive motherboard uses it longer than 3 years anyway, so a 3 year warranty would be sufficient. PSUs are more transferable.
I don't think I have ever heard of a motherboard failing
@@GewelReal Check your hearing mate.
Or maybe your new in the game :)
@@GewelReal lmao. I never heard of a msi board not failing.
They always fail.... always
The wheelchair icon in the bottom-right corner fits the $1,300 motherboard perfectly.
And if you're European add another 20% at least lol.
There are a ton of additional regulations (eg standby power consumption, different EMC rules, etc) and higher shipping rates from China so you shouldn't be surprised. Not to mention that only one European country (Germany) has a GDP higher than California. European countries are relatively tiny markets since there are way less people there that can afford luxuries compared to the US. A lot of motherboards aren't even sold in the EU
That's because the EU is added value... LOL 😂
@@mpeugeot EU wholesale prices are often 20% higher than in the US. The 20% VAT (vs 10% US sales tax) on top of that makes a lot of high end products 30% more expensive vs the US
@@NavinF What are you smokeing . Less peopl who can affort luxerious stuff . You forget something buddy all EU prices are with Tax becouse we have the same taxe everywere . USA prices are without taxes . So both bords basicly came out the same . Lets generalies and say most American wont even think about Motherboards becouse they cant even pay Rent . You know how stupid that sounds
@@NavinF Depends were you life on the US . All prices in the EU are as they are nothing changes regardless were you buy it in the EU . US prices can go up and down in a big ranges . So in the end its not realy more expensive over all in the EU . It also depends on how strong your currency is ec ec.
Yeah, I'm glad I picked up a 5800X when they went on sale for $249. Im going to ride this thing out till AM5 matures.
I grabbed a 5800x3D. Going to do what you are doing. Wait for it to mature. I'm sure as always, things will eventually become cheaper to make as manufacturing matures
No you will basicly wait for AM6 there is no reason to upgrade from a 5800X in the next 3 - 4ys and its not to expect that you will upgrade in just a year if you realy want the new platform to get flashed out .
No way I will paid more than 400.00 for a Motherboard for AM5. Better I still keep my 3900X and upgrade to a 5950X. Am5 I will meet you on 2026
I will just buy a rebranded 12600k into 13400 with a b660, ddr4 and wait for the next AMD release because prices are just stupid Motherboard, DDR5 all want to rip you off.
@@Chris-hw4mq intel and amd has reverse roles. Now Intel has products at reasonable price and AMD just make expensive chips
Imagine spending a whale price off $$$ and not getting two 10G Lan Ports. I chuckled when i read the second LAN was only 2.5G on a $1300 board.
well it's for suckers, why would it have two 10Gb lan
I don't remember ever needing or even thinking of using more than 1 ethernet port.
@@Agm1995gamer yes but on a 1300 dollar board you should have everything possible. I mean it’s even a disgrace that we will get x670e boards with alc987 soundchips. Even the lowest end x670e (which will most likely start at around 250$) should’ve an alc 1220/4080
@@CeltyST96 Exactly, not even an Intel 10GbE either.
$1300 for a board
You'd probably right. We're gonna have a race to provide people with more money that knowledge an option.
i reckon the asus extreme monoblock board will be like 2.5k
@@ThunderingRoar the highest x670 is stated to be like 1500. Not waterblock though so idk
$700 for a ACE!? Nope, nope nope nope. . .
Nope. . .
Yeah much better pay 2k for the Glacial Extreme something something
Can confirm consumers are idiots. Source: I am a consumer and also an idiot.
Me too, but I draw the line at idiot. I'm still rational enough to stay away from Ludicrous.
join the club
I'm in. consumer idiot master race.
Personally none of these motherboards are anywhere within my purchasing demographic. I derive satisfaction in this hobby by building as small and efficient as possible relative to performance. This means under clocking/ undervolting my system to run within 250-300 watts and building in very small cases.
That's understandable. To me, my satisfaction comes from overvolting, overclocking and drawing 800w under peak load. All I know is more money = better, unga bunga style.
Edit: then run games limited to 60fps and watch noot anime girls.
The B650e boards have the most ITX options from what I heard
The godlike was built to go in those youtube videos where the “epic build costs $30,000”
Although expensive already, you can almost buy two Ace boards for the price of one Godlike.
Only a few thousand idiots willing to spend $1300? That is the hard thing to believe.
Putting type-C next to regular USB slots is so much fun. I love sticking in the wrong slot that tiny crap to have my PC emergency shut down. Idiots.
yeah USB-C shouldn't be used at all on desktop back IO
You're plugging the cable in the wrong slot... so who's the idiot?
@@truedoh2831 connectors are made different to avoid this problem
I'd like to see more motherboards with only two Memory slots.
I could see myself buying something like the carbon wifi x670e, but that would probably be my only motherboard purchase until the platform changes again.
Love this rant video 🤣 and yeah I know a lot of people that just will pay the most expensive one to flex/feel good "I want the best". I always go for price/performance even if I appreciate extreme things for the sake of it. But this is just hypercost things marketed, it you must give away your money do it for a good case not for a multinational
Ps: the name of that b550 with perfect voltage regulation? 🙂
PCI-E slots that are SMD together with super heavy 3++ slot 40 series cards sounds like a fun disaster waiting to happen.
Feeling pretty good about that EVGA Z690 Classified I bought for $300 right about now... Not that it was the best bargain I could find, but it seemed like a relatively small price increase for the amount of features I gained. Really the only thing missing was thunderbolt ports, but I don't use those anyways.
I would certainly call a 300$ Z690 Classified a bargain tbh
1:17 Pretty much the CEO claiming his "Yacht Bonus" to do yearly free yacht maintenance.
You can get 10Gbit/s SFP+ cards for like, 20 bucks. Sure it's not RJ45, but you can get two of them and a copper DAC for around 50 bucks and connect the devices that actually need 10Gbit/s very cheaply. For example Mellanox ConnectX-3 or a bunch of HP OEM stuff
Oh absolutely, connect x-3s are cheap as hell. The issue for some(pretty sure it’s just me) is that the bottom slot is blocked off by fans and the other ones blocked by stubbornness to want a vertical GPU… definitely on me for being so stubborn, but I do wish some boards like the Taichi came with onboard 10GB, for. ASRocks TOTL board I feel like it should, and it’s always been reasonably priced.
EDIT: this is an o11 mini. I’m sure if I had a bigger case I’d be complaining less… or yknow, not stubborn
I have some of those connectX3 cards, they worked great at first but a windows update somehow limited them to 5gbit. Also they take up pcie lanes that could be occupied by more m.2 drives.
There is some super cheap 10gb RJ45 switches from qnap I want to go with soon
@dj Kplus I haven’t been able to figure that out in my mini :(. I had some ideas to mount it in the back where drive cages go but never got as far as to cut the chassis up to do it
@@Turb0Yoda so you can't fit a low profile card behind/under a vertical GPU? I'm strongly suspecting a lot of cases leave you enough room for that
EDIT: Hm so you would have the space but the back of the case for normal cards is blocked with the "vertical GPU" accessory
24+2+1 phases with 105A power stages? Holy overkill, Batman!
Multiple CPU server boards are jealous.
I'm going to assume the PCB substrates used for the PCIE 5.0 are likely more insulative than previously used substrates, thus preserving signal integrity better. The price should go down the more it's used if this is the case (relative to inflation, mind you).
I would think substrate capacitance would matter far more.
@@concinnus I have no idea what I'm talking about
I think that insulating
resistance and electric leaking behaviour is the most important for pcb materials.
@@weler1806 On what basis? Why more important for Gen 5 than Gen 4? Resistance should be no more important than before, whereas capacitance becomes more important as frequency increases.
@@weler1806 Follow-up: I looked up some engineering analysis for Gen 5, and yeah, capacitance is relevant, no mention of resistance. Capacitance creates impedance to AC signals (which data basically is), and the impedance gets worse at higher baud rate. If you're unfamiliar with resistance vs. impedance, just refrain from commenting on electrical engineering concerns.
Some people have more money than brains. Rich people sort the menu by highest price.
I sort by highest price too but just keep scrolling down. No point wasting time looking at motherboards where the manufacturer is cutting corners on the literal cardboard box that it comes in.
All I want is 7-segment POST code displays on all motherboards. I don't like having to pay extra just to have peace of mind when something inevitably doesn't work.
Man, I’m only 2:28 in the video and I’m already loving it for you telling the truth without euphemisms.
"10G LAN costs more" Yes it does, but realistically how many people use 10g or 2,5g lan? 2% of people who buy these boards? I mean it's nice for future-proofing, but it's one of the things that can be cut from the board to cut cost. Same goes for Audio. The board should have the most basic audio output IMO. People who care about audio will buy a DAC and an AMP separately anyways. Also prices are INSANE since x570. i bought x470 Crosshair Hero on launch for 250EUR and it was a top tier board back then. Works with my 5800x3D up to this day. Except for lack of PCIe gen 4 there is absolutely nothing that it lacks from my perspective. Now a board with similar feature set costs almost 500EUR.
Can't wait to see the B650/B650E prices!
Ladies and gentleman...
Lets get ready to rambleeeeee!!!!
Good videos!!! keep them coming!!!
I also suspect that AMD raised the prices of their chipsets quite a bit.
*Sigh* AMD source them from a different company. The Prom chipsets. My memory can't recall the specific company mentioned.
@@steviebro0538 ASMedia.
Thank you@@Wasmachineman
There's a new tech media outlet on the block called Angstronomics that explains why the AM5 chipset is actually cheaper to make. Doesn't mean the cost to mobo makers has gone down, but at least _something's_ down in manufacturing cost.
Exactly@@benjaminoechsli1941 .
I wonder how soon PCIe will hit the physical limit of what's possible at sane, consumer-level costs... And how soon it will hit the physical limit, period.
I‘d argue PCIe 5 has hit that limit.
PCIE 6 just got ratified this year 🙃
We could have stuck with PCIe Gen 4 on any regular consumer (not including "workstation", people who would buy a Threadripper and the like, here) platform for another bunch of years, probably. Afaik the fastest consumer GPUs right now can barely saturate 8 lanes of PCIe 4.0. Then we got drives that can saturate 4 lanes of that (with sequential operations) but also overheat and throttle down after less than a minute if you're not actively cooling them, anyway.
And does any regular consumer really need more I/O on their boards, either? If you can get 2.5 Gbit Ethernet and maybe a Thunderbolt/USB4 port, do you need more, still?
So I have no idea who of these people is even going to need PCIe Gen 5...
@@paranoidnela But at some point surely you *will* hit a limit still; you need a certain material to make things work - that is rare and expensive - it just isn't worth it anymore, that's it.
@@Blacklands I guess that so far for a regular consumer, the best use of faster PCIe would be very fast storage connected directly to GPU. So, crazy amounts of highly detailed textures to be accessed and processed directly from it. That said... even here, how much do we actually need? Most gamers don't even have 4K displays, and 4K already pretty much hit the limits of perceivable clarity, and it's not like that stuff can go directly to display without being processed anyway, so... yeah. Feels like enterprise stuff but sold to consumers, because hey, it exists and you won't want to miss out, would you?
I think MSI is confused. They think the prices the charged 1-2 years ago will still work. I'm sure they'll have decreased sales numbers this go-round cause people aren't locked in their homes anymore and those people buying computers for the first time ever now have one.
Thanks for your thoughts !!!
Hello, do you recommend saving money to buy a Ryzen 7000 system in one year or so or do you recommend to upgrade mobo + cpu to Ryzen 5000 generation? I'm struggling with this decision. I have a MSI B350m pro vdh low end board + 1600X.
Love a good rambling, and if there's a bit of ranting mixed in, even better. Don't think I never paid more than 250 USD for a motherboard, usually around 100-150.
You perfectly summed up the consumer physcology of these increasing prices. Amazing
$289 and you still dont get gen5 x16. Z690 pro has it for less.
Totally agree with the idea that just having the most expensive thing makes people want it more. On several facebook groups where people share builds and you see all the time people buying parts based on what is most expensive rather than what will work the best for their needs.
Hey tell me if I can get away with using my old cpu waterblock the Swiftech apogee xl2 with the new motherboard I ordered the asus prime z690 - A . I didn't see any standoff kits for my model and some just said it should work anyway until some upgrade kit for swiftech waterblocks come out.. I was also told to just use a 1mm washer on the backing of the cpu backplate that comes with the waterblock.. So i have been waiting a whole week or so of not putting in this new board because i don't want to mess up anything... Right now I have the asus x22 tuf sabertooth mark 2 motherboard with the standoffs for the 2066 installed would and i do have the other intel standoff screws for the 1150,1155 2011, 2066 but confused on what route i should go to getthis up and installed... Any advice ?
They're absolutely milking early adopters
Exactly. Supply demand.
Cant wait to be an AM5 adopter, gonna put my $300 2022 6 core and $200 32GB kit of slower-than-tuned-bdie DDR5 into my $290 budget motherboard, and right after that I'm gonna put my clown shoes on lmao
Jokes aside , it's looking like putting a 13600K on a $150 mobo with some $100 bdie is gonna be the GOAT. Zen 4 is a meme at these platform prices.
Spitting facts my dude, let's spend like 800 on a combo (that may perform even worse tbh) and buy an RX 6400 instead of using that ~350 we could've saved well 🤡big gaming, that will show those evil people at Intel! AM5 gang! (seriously I keep seeing people that try to justify the $300 6 core and HOW GRACIOUS AMD ISSSSSSSSSSS, it's disgusting, nor is a ~150 dollar b650 cheap or rly worth it at such price point, you could literally buy an Aorus Pro V2 B550 for roughly 100 dollars in certain places shortly after the 5000 launch)
@@Upon Bro you don't understand, three years from now you might be able to save a few hundred dollars by putting a Zen 6 CPU into your shitty outdated $290 budget x670 board 😭, don't buy Intel please bro, $300 for a 6 core in 2022 is a great deal bro 😭
@@BrianCroweAcolyte Vibe check, did you see the B650(Non-E) prices from MSI? $199 (from B&H so it's official) for the basic ass A-Pro... and people out here being delusional thinking these would cost around $130, AMD is also delusional.
@@Upon Thankfully, Zen4 is selling very badly right now. R5 7600X should legitimately be $200-250, especially if compared to the i5 13600K.
Thank you for all of the information and your breakdown of each motherboard, I definitely appreciate it. Will you be analyzing the other brands once they are available?
Thats an Issue in Generell. Ppl dont know how much Stuff costs anymore. Its pretty insane. But it is what it is.
And I'm over here balking at mITX board prices starting at _$100_ USD
AMD said their CHEAPEST board, of any type, starts at $125. It's ridiculous. You can get AM4 and LGA1700 for $80, and $130 buys you a decent budget board. AM5 starting at $125 is a scam
Hello Buildzoid, any Hynix A content coming any time soon? worth swapping M for A if I have a 4 DIMM board?
X670Expensive
I miss his video after I complete build my first PC.
im one of those idiots i payed 700 for z490 godlike lasted 2 years wont happen again love your videos thank you
*I'm
Making things more expensive than it needs to be made me think of Apple.
I feel like Apple is sneakier with it, they don't overcharge for the phone, but for the proprietary accessories like charging equipment, airpods, services etc.
@@libertyprime9307 it's $500 in additional cash just go from 128 to 1 TB storage on iphones. They're overcharging. That's on top of $1000
I find it funny that the msi $1300 motherboard is even more expensive than wrx-80 and workstation motherboard
The consumer do in fact be having nothing past the brainstem
The main reason for price increases isn't component cost. It is greed. At the moment everybody tries to charge as much as possible.
Release prices: Hero Z170 210€, Hero Z490 €480, Hero Z690 €650. Only offering important features on the most expensive boards.
Its called Hyperinflation, its not just pc components, real value of $$$/Euro nearly halved since 2020. F few examples : a pound (0.45kg) of fish is now $10 to 13, rent is almost double same with housing prices, brand new VW Golf for 17K in 2019 is now 32K. Enjoy and thank those that voted for it 🤗
I dont doubt anything you said but I'd love a bit more of elaboration regarding the "better" you mentioned regarding a b550 from an x570 on mem OC
It's almost like a newer chipset for the same socket is more mature and can thus be expected to perform better than an older one.
@@iankemp2627 the chipset is not involved in any way with RAM communication, the RAM controller is in the CPU.
I was aiming for that carbon..but pricing is off putting and i dont feel i need pcie5 on hard drives..but want it on the pcie5 main slot just in case.. so probably gonna get none E version instead.. anyway waiting for 3D versions of zen4 so no hurry for me..
i am a bit sad about this prices. i was completly ready to pay 800-900€ for asus extreme board, but now it seems it will have a launch price of 1300-1500€ what i can afford but dont feel like its worth it. as the boards stay compatible i want to buy a top board that is ready for all zen5/6 changes so i can keep it through am5. what triggers me most is that asus adds some stupid pcie 5.0 extension cards for a m.2 ssd that i can never use bcs my 2 vertical mounts are occupied with my gpu and my nic and i have to pay for this card although i would never need it. just sad .......
also why does extreme still doesnt have a sfp+ port. all ppl that need 10G would know how to buy/add a transceiver and a SFP+ port would be cheaper to build into the board. i could just use my fiber connection and would not need a nic. would also resolve some heat issues as 10G rj45 gets extremly hot 70°C+ while fiber stays cooler 30-40°C.
I've simply refused to buy MSI products for a long time. Their anti-consumer behavior, crappy support, and questionable business practices have always been a problem. The scalping scandel in 2020 sealed the deal for me.
IMO the one area they really seem to work hard at is buying good press from content creators and review sites. This is another big reason products like the Godlike exist.
I really like some of their b-series boards. I'm running a Mag Mortar and might go for another one if I get on AM5, they have great VRMs for the price.
If you haven't already, Watch gamer nexus video on their press shenanigans. They will borderline blackmail the content creators to get positive feedback
@@Walhor Yeah I'm aware and they've had a reputation for a while. I remember posts in various forums and message boards a long time ago complaining about similar behavior. Granted, they certainly haven't been the only problematic company in the industry but honestly I still don't think those calling the shots there care about any of this.
@@libertyprime9307 I'm not saying they aren't perfectly capable of making good hardware. As Buildzoid eluded to, most of the big names are at this point. They've all got new releases down to a science which is why the same issues get repeated every year and it's so rare to see innovative ideas.
At this point it's everything else that has begun to matter the most to me. There's a lot of bullshit that goes on in this industry that has made me learn to appreciate when a company truly seems to make an effort to improve even when it would likely be more profitable to do the opposite.
@@libertyprime9307 GamersNexus, Killshot video. Stay away from MSI if you can
My whole PC upgrade plan for 2022 "Motherboard - CPU - RAM - CPU cooler" is $1300 planned.
There are single motherboards that cost this much, omg i am so poor haha.
gonna wait for the B650 rant
Love these types of videos their very informative 👍
Will you also make "Best Budget Boards" videos soon for the new gen CPUs? Looking at those prices right now make me dizzy
Just wait for the B650E boards, those will be the ones to get.
~300$ for no pice5.0 x16 is insulting.
Someone needs to slash the cocaine budget drastically for the MSI R&D and Marketing teams this is getting out of hands literally.
Anybody knows what B550 BZ was talking about at 160 USD with excellent voltage regulation?
Maybe we'll get a Unify-X on AM5?
Re: who buys $1,300 motherboards? I recently hired with a large tech company, our engineers run some wild equipment. People buy way overpriced stuff when they are spending other people's money.
The x570 godlike also had a unique PCIe config that some people required if you ran 4 full size GPUs for some compute stuff. If you're running 4 8000.- teslas that expense is pretty meaningless.
BZ, what's the b550 160-200 dollar board you mention at the end?
What's your opinion on PCIE 5.0 for a GPU? Basically pointless, right?
Even PCIe 4 is. PCIe 5 x 16 is enough to run 4-way crossfire.
You guys are forgetting that PCIe 5.0 will be activated by DirectStorage API.
You need the speed for coming insanely high textured games that will come with UE5.
It's not "basically" pointless, it *is* pointless, because no GPU currently in existence can utilise that much bandwidth. PCIe 4.0 is still far more than any current GPU needs, and I'm willing to wager more than the upcoming Ada and RDNA3 GPUs will require.
@@N0N0111 "Activated"? What does that even mean? DirectStorage was designed for a console that has a PCIe 4.0 x2 SSD, please explain how that requires PCIe 5.0.
I can not wait for the launch, and seeing tons and tons of articles mention major issues with PCIe 5.
I still remember some boards having issues with PCIe 4 on launch, rolling back to PCIe 3 in the bios would fix said issues.
Why is PCIe 5 so insane expensive? Does implementing it cost literally +$300. Those are some expensive sand silicon mate.
2 PCIe 5 ports, couple USB 3.0 and 1 USB 4.0 BOOM +$300 price boost...
As excited as I am to get my hands on a 7950 I've learned to never buy a brand new platform at launch, especially if it's AMD. If they actually manage a problem free launch with their first DDR5 and PCIE5 generation I'd be damn impressed.
Same goes for MSI quickly releasing BIOS updates for their buggy launch boards.
I think I've filled every SIMM or DIMM slot on every PC I've owned in the last 30 years except for the laptops. One system I cobbled together with some used parts off ebay might be the lone x86 exception. I am surely an outlier, but before SSDs existed, adding RAM was the easiest way to see overall system performance increased. With NVME SSDs becoming so standard and RAM needs seeming to have finally plateaued at 16GB for most users, it feels like there is no low hanging fruit anymore. That said, my next system will have 128GB RAM because it can.
It's stupid that the new Ace costs as much as the Godlike did back in X570.
Thank you for enlightening me. I'm the idiot in question! (haven't paid for anything yet tho). I just want to know more about what is a good price for a motherboard for AM3 and AM4, since I'm still undecided..
i hope u'll do a pcb analysis of carbon's. i bought the x570 tomahawk cause u said it's good and i'm very happy with it. 4.8ghz 5600x and 4000Mbps RAM
3:15 does someone already hint a more expensive gigabyte board but can't talk about it yet? ;) Great video
I look forward to the kids inexpensive models and your coverage of them. I don't really know a lot about motherboards so I'll rely on your coverage to point me in the right direction 😅
Meanwhile, while looking for a board upgrade that won't kneecap my x16 slot with m.2's like my current board, to go along with a new 5800X3D, i saw the Gigabyte X570S Aorus Master was $260. From $389 launch price. Even $260 feels like stretching what any motherboard would be worth to me.
Buildzoid, if I win the lottery I'll send you a Godlike.
I got my x570 meg Ace for a decent price, but even then I've been pretty disappointed with MSI. I got their aio that went to crap and got plugged up. The motherboard has a USB header that is not functional, and the msi brand case I purchaaed has had multiple fans die.. I replaced the case with a different brand and decided even though I like MSI aesthetic, they will not see more money from me until they get there act together. Seeing this just shows the only thing they currently care about.
Shit, I bought my B350 for $60 on ebay and used it for years. 5 CPUs from 3 generations went through that motherboard without issues. Now it's in my friend's PC and he's happy with it.
Is it really more important to have the PCIE5 on the M.2 rather than the PCIE slots or is it just that they want to cheap out and make just the 4 lanes instead of the 16?
Yes, they want to cheap out.
Hey Buildzoid I‘ve been a long-term fan of the channel and I mostly agree on your opinions. I am a bit of an overspender on mobos because I do like extracting the most features of a chipset, but some of your comments on the increased costs of motherboard components are slightly off. The X670 dual Promontory 21 chipset was specifically designed and used because it is cheaper to implement than the Zen2/3 I/O die X570 chipset. So specifically your comment on low-end X670 mobos being overpriced due to chipset costs is in this case wrong because keeping costs down there was the main goal. Especially the B650 boards will be even cheaper because only one Prom 21 chipset being implemented. And even the 600$ Mobos, even though they‘re overpriced can only be sold at that price because AIBs have used so many expensive components that they would barely make any margin selling it for 450-500$ which everyone would prefer. This tactic was experimented with on X570 and was perfected with Ampere GPUs and is rampant now. Sorry for the rant but not everything can be pushed onto that chipset, AMD was aware of the inflated X570 prices and wants to avoid them being inflated for too long now, ofc it will happen again in the first two months again, but hopefully it‘s just a short phase.
I will be chilling for like 6-7 months
Because I will wait it out
What manufacturers learnt from the mining craze and supply issue is consumers are willing to pay regardless whether they are being fooled by scalpers or retailers or manufacturers.
With AMD 'hiding' A-series chipset, guess both of them are in cahoots. This is the first time AMD did chipset/mobo reveal with manufacturers while back then AMD would just release chipset info like intel and manufacturers would reveal their stuff themselves.
But hey, in the end AMD win, manufacturers win, you win. They got those high margins and you got the thing you want. Sounds like a decent happy ending if you ask me
The pricing of these is Hella scary in NZ$ - The Carbon board which for AM4 was NZ$390 when I got it that AM5 one is NZ$899!!!
I wonder how well the lower end X670 E boards will do. currently on 7th gen Intel looking to upgrade my happy potato.
so what motherboard would you recommend as the bset buy for x670 from all the manufacturers
I'm probably going to buy the Ace motherboard
Stop calling me an idiot
With this prices they can not fail with any cpu inside. That would be ....
ill get more msi if they ditch their lizzard logo
Hopefully, these are placeholder prices.