I got 2 of those from ebay a while ago. Both were just like yours. No sidebar and no sliders. The listing is as is, no guarantee whats in it. I showed him pictures of the gutting but as far as I can see, they are still being sold that way. Claims he is selling off a lot of them that he acquired.
I think you're right. He picked up the mystery pin from the large pocket in the tray and dropped it into the #5 slot and got confused when he pulled the #5 driver pin but the slot in the tray already had the mystery (#6) pin.
@@aachucko I'm guessing the mystery driver was so short the sheer line clicked between spring and driver pin instead of between driver pin and key pin.
Bill... You're a beast! I love all the content man. Thanks for hours of learning. So many RUclipsrs feel like legit friends. You don't know me but I've spent hours with you. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it!
My Scorpion CX-5 ("refurbished", no clone--Korean, BTW) came with wafers in all 6 cylinders, and 2 in 2 of them! They were banking fully on the sidebar for security, but it was a super easy open (my second sidebar lock open--first is Robur, not sure model). Reassembled without the wafers, it's tough now. 😉 Thanks for showing us the clone & Scorpion!
I've seen similar, though rare, in certain installations. e.g. the perimeter & external doors have all security components (security pins, sidebars, hardened anti-drill etc) Then the internal office doors / desk drawers / cleaning cupboards have a slimmed down version, for strategic cost saving. For example, you might pin all the high-traffic entry doors with nickel silver pins for the duty-cycle, but standard brass pins in the ceiling hatches & desk drawers. I don't know much about CX5 / ScanLock - It does seem like somebody is selling half-assembled locks - But i've seen valid usages for not installing all the security componentry.
I got one of these locks today mixed in with a bunch of others I bought from a retiring locksmith. Right away I saw the side groove cut into the key. He told me he wasn’t familiar with the brand and couldn’t find any info on it. After watching this video and taking a closer look at it, sure enough it was missing the side pins. Dang knock offs lol
At least it is drilled and machined for a side bar and sliders. This may be intended to be sold as a chassis for locksmiths to populate with the rest of the parts.
I'd call this more of a scam than a knock-off, people will buy this thinking it's a high security lock and they're definitely not getting one. Of course, it would be easy to add the sliders and put some security pins in there but your average consumer isn't going to do that.
I wonder if this is made for the lower security doors, to be offered at a "cheaper" price than one with full security, but still use the same keys (as other manufacturers do likewise)?
Guessing some of the driver pins feel all the way into the core and the springs got mangled by the shear line. Would be interesting to see the depth of the pin stack in the core to see if they are too short.
I thought so too, initially, but all springs seem were below the surface when we see down the core, so probably not, but I wouldn't put a lot of money on it either way.
Hey Bill, I noticed you are using a 3D printed holder for the lock. Would you please tell me where I can download the .stl file to print one for myself?
Wish you had gutted the CK5. I'd like to see how the sliders work. I noticed on your desk, the pick you and LPL made and you also have the version that sparrows offers.
Well, let's think about it for a moment... What CAUSES counter-rotation? With spools, trying to squeeze the "fat" part of the spool through a shearline held open by the "thin" part of the spool causes it. This lock had no spools though. So, if the chambers of the core and lock body were not quite lined up because of tolerances in manufacturing, forcing a standard pin through the mis-aligned holes would cause counter-rotation - even with standard pins.
Well, let's think about it for a moment... What CAUSES counter-rotation? With spools, trying to squeeze the "fat" part of the spool through a shearline held open by the "thin" part of the spool causes it. This lock had no spools though. So, if the chambers of the core and lock body were not quite lined up because of tolerances in manufacturing, forcing a standard pin through the mis-aligned holes would cause counter-rotation - even with standard pins.
Scanlock in 3D mold "Look at me! It's too bad it's not Saturday night! Put me back together with some sliders Bill, then turn me loose in the naughty bucket dressed like this!"
Help me ... Please.... I wanted to use the US General lock body from harbor freight as a housing for a core I pinned myself but I can't ...for the life of me... Get the damn core out. Watch my newest video. I pick it fast but I can't get the plug out. I think they glued it in even though they say it's rekeyable. Your thoughts?
Knockoff != Counterfeit Be careful about that. Based on what you showed, this is DEFFINITLY a knock off. Knockoffs and Counterfeits are usually poor quality, but they don't HAVE to be. A high quality knockoff will still be lacking all the features of the real thing, because the goal was never to be an exact copy. A high quality counterfeit SHOULD be just as good (or in some cases better!) than the original product.
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1:33 & 2:39. Mmmmm. The LockCam should have its own channel.
Never knew the scoop around the keyway is called the funnel. Thanks, Bill!
"Unless you're lucky enough to get one with crunchy springs!" - LMAO!
I got 2 of those from ebay a while ago. Both were just like yours. No sidebar and no sliders. The listing is as is, no guarantee whats in it. I showed him pictures of the gutting but as far as I can see, they are still being sold that way. Claims he is selling off a lot of them that he acquired.
I think you got pins 5 and 6 swapped when you were disassembling.
@@hawksights Never said it would. He was pondering over which pin came out of slots 5 and 6.
I think you're right. He picked up the mystery pin from the large pocket in the tray and dropped it into the #5 slot and got confused when he pulled the #5 driver pin but the slot in the tray already had the mystery (#6) pin.
@@RustyorBroken Yep. I'm sure he figured it out. As junk as that lock was, it might still function even with the reversed pins.
@@aachucko ha! I was thinking almost the same thing. The pins looked nearly the same length.
@@aachucko I'm guessing the mystery driver was so short the sheer line clicked between spring and driver pin instead of between driver pin and key pin.
Bill... You're a beast! I love all the content man. Thanks for hours of learning. So many RUclipsrs feel like legit friends. You don't know me but I've spent hours with you. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it!
So... mangled springs are a new security measure? 😏
Similar to dirt, dust, and corrosion we have out here making master locks unpickable.
🤣
Appreciate the lockcam. Slider now make sense.
Stinks there were no sliders in that thing, but am always happy to see the return of the lock cam! Thanks Bill!
The springs were probably mangled because both the key pins and drivers were below the shear line on some of chambers.
My Scorpion CX-5 ("refurbished", no clone--Korean, BTW) came with wafers in all 6 cylinders, and 2 in 2 of them! They were banking fully on the sidebar for security, but it was a super easy open (my second sidebar lock open--first is Robur, not sure model). Reassembled without the wafers, it's tough now. 😉 Thanks for showing us the clone & Scorpion!
Good job Mr Bill!!!!
I've seen similar, though rare, in certain installations.
e.g. the perimeter & external doors have all security components (security pins, sidebars, hardened anti-drill etc)
Then the internal office doors / desk drawers / cleaning cupboards have a slimmed down version, for strategic cost saving.
For example, you might pin all the high-traffic entry doors with nickel silver pins for the duty-cycle, but standard brass pins in the ceiling hatches & desk drawers.
I don't know much about CX5 / ScanLock - It does seem like somebody is selling half-assembled locks - But i've seen valid usages for not installing all the security componentry.
I got one of these locks today mixed in with a bunch of others I bought from a retiring locksmith. Right away I saw the side groove cut into the key. He told me he wasn’t familiar with the brand and couldn’t find any info on it. After watching this video and taking a closer look at it, sure enough it was missing the side pins. Dang knock offs lol
Good video as always! Mornin Bill 👍🇨🇦
Thanks for the video 👍
That lock left you high and dry bill Lol👍
Do you have the file for that lock sport holder, or can you tell me were to get it?
Nice review Bill
At least it is drilled and machined for a side bar and sliders. This may be intended to be sold as a chassis for locksmiths to populate with the rest of the parts.
Morning, happy hump day Bill! I have always wanted a CX-5 too bad that scanlock was more like a scamlock
Love the video so educational my friend .thank you 😎🌟⭐⭐🌟⭐
Any way you could add links to the 3D locksport equipment or even for the various picks that you use in some of your videos! Great video BB!!
I'd call this more of a scam than a knock-off, people will buy this thinking it's a high security lock and they're definitely not getting one. Of course, it would be easy to add the sliders and put some security pins in there but your average consumer isn't going to do that.
You the man bill!
I'd say the core is drilled too deep, allowing some of the driver pins to fall all the way below the shear line.
Longer driver pins would fix that.
I wonder if this is made for the lower security doors, to be offered at a "cheaper" price than one with full security, but still use the same keys (as other manufacturers do likewise)?
Guessing some of the driver pins feel all the way into the core and the springs got mangled by the shear line. Would be interesting to see the depth of the pin stack in the core to see if they are too short.
This comment may get downvoted, but you may have mangled a spring yourself at the 9:43 mark when you switched sides with the follower...
It takes some effort to bend a spring beyond the point where it won't return to it's original shape. So, no.
I thought so too, initially, but all springs seem were below the surface when we see down the core, so probably not, but I wouldn't put a lot of money on it either way.
I've seen these on ebay! Been waiting for you to do a video.
Hey Bill, I noticed you are using a 3D printed holder for the lock. Would you please tell me where I can download the .stl file to print one for myself?
Where do you buy the 3d lock sport mold from?
Where can u buy keyed CX-5/scorpion/marks... whatever,lol. Universal KIK cores. I want to put in a abus 83/45
Hey Bill, can you add the sidebar, fix the springs and make it worth it to keep?
Still wouldn't have any drill protection
How did the springs get so mangled?
Saludos desde México Bill
Wish you had gutted the CK5. I'd like to see how the sliders work.
I noticed on your desk, the pick you and LPL made and you also have the version that sparrows offers.
Why is a 0.8mm pick called a #13?
Thanks thanks
Why take the time to mill a lock for side bars and not install them? Does the company save $0.05 per lock?
You're so polite.. they didn't put the sliders in lol
Why were you getting counter-rotation on standard pins?
Well, let's think about it for a moment... What CAUSES counter-rotation? With spools, trying to squeeze the "fat" part of the spool through a shearline held open by the "thin" part of the spool causes it. This lock had no spools though. So, if the chambers of the core and lock body were not quite lined up because of tolerances in manufacturing, forcing a standard pin through the mis-aligned holes would cause counter-rotation - even with standard pins.
@@bosnianbill ok. Thanks for the intuitive explanation. And all the great videos.
I bullied a sentry safe open yesterday with a pumpkin carving knife!
looks like it could be a good lock of you rebuild it yourself
No sliders? They misspelled scaMlock.
That new clip/spring remover kinda looks like a dentist‘s tool. But it seems to work well though
Hee Hee if he's in the middle of a gutting and finds something in his teeth, easy extraction. Two tools for the price of one.
Friends don’t let friends buy Scanlocks from “Grandpa Ed” on eBay.
Just more proof that magic spells are the only true way to keep your stuff safe
I cast counter spell
@@BlizzardWizard99 taps 2 blue, counters your counter
@@half3613 well played my fine foe. But you see you activated my trap card
@@BlizzardWizard99 ... ... Desperately out of options I throw an empty pokeball at you ...
@@half3613 I use my tennis skills to swing at the pokeball and completely whiff as it falls at my feet
Was it made in Mexico
All easy until you have to do it when it’s in the lock and you’re out in the cold trying to get someone in
Did you see how beveled the pins were on the lock-cam? That's obscene.
I still don't see why you were getting counter rotation if all the pins were standard.
Well, let's think about it for a moment... What CAUSES counter-rotation? With spools, trying to squeeze the "fat" part of the spool through a shearline held open by the "thin" part of the spool causes it. This lock had no spools though. So, if the chambers of the core and lock body were not quite lined up because of tolerances in manufacturing, forcing a standard pin through the mis-aligned holes would cause counter-rotation - even with standard pins.
@@bosnianbill OK, makes sense, Bill.
Plot twist mangled springs are a security feature 😂
I should patent the security mangled springs. Meow.
Scanlock in 3D mold
"Look at me! It's too bad it's not Saturday night! Put me back together with some sliders Bill, then turn me loose in the naughty bucket dressed like this!"
Help me ... Please.... I wanted to use the US General lock body from harbor freight as a housing for a core I pinned myself but I can't ...for the life of me... Get the damn core out. Watch my newest video. I pick it fast but I can't get the plug out. I think they glued it in even though they say it's rekeyable. Your thoughts?
Damn! Ten minutes after the upload and already a 👎 probably from an ex-technician from Master Lock! 🔓
Wow, talk about deception, sell a lock that you think it has sidebars and it doesn't. Thanks Bill 👍🏻
Pretty lame lock. I would probably test it out with a rake first.
Good call 😁👍🏻
damaged springs... jeez
You got robbed. They sold you half of a lock!
Love the videos fam! Shot out Houston Texas 💯🛢🚀🛰. 🔌🧱🪓🔩. 🔒📎🔓🔑🔓
I want to see you re-pin it and add a sidebar
Maybe it's rater a ScamLock xD
I would definitely not pay 42$ for that thing.
Come on bill, where's the big red JUNK banner on this one? ...well I guess it did have a little fight in it, but jeez, talk about false advertising!
Knockoff != Counterfeit
Be careful about that.
Based on what you showed, this is DEFFINITLY a knock off.
Knockoffs and Counterfeits are usually poor quality, but they don't HAVE to be.
A high quality knockoff will still be lacking all the features of the real thing, because the goal was never to be an exact copy.
A high quality counterfeit SHOULD be just as good (or in some cases better!) than the original product.
Diddled by an Ebay seller. You should use the new tool on him and see if he refunds your money.
It is a knockoff. A _CHEAP_ knockoff.
Arlington Locks? If I visit my son in Arlington, I could track you down?🤔 Still an ok.... ish lock.... apart from 2 destroyed springs now. Lol
Looks nothing like a Mazda SUV clone.
🤣
When all else fails, lower your standards...
what a ripoff. $42 for a crappy standard lock with issues.
Scamlock.
looks to me like someone pulled it appart, couldnt get it back together right, so they sold it.