It’s OK about destroying the plane. Replacing it is good for the economy. EDIT: For those who didn’t get the gist of my comment, I was being SARCASTIC. I guess it was from watching too much “All in the Family” in the 1970s. Archie often said that America at war was good for the economy.
Thankyou Alec for yet another brilliant, informative reconstruction. A lot of work must go into what you do,and is much appreciated! So thankyou once more!🤗
the commander was sentenced to one year and six months in prison and his license was withdrawn, but hey we are in Italy and everything is possible here
There was a high experience gradient on that flight deck (Capt with many more hours than F/O) This could have prevented the F/O challenging the Capt more than he did. It is obvious that the Capt was overconfident and did not follow standard operating procedures which are there to prevent accidents such as this.
That kind of gradient and ego also caused the Tenerife Airport Disaster. The KLM captain had all the power and didn't teach buddingvpilots about ATC commands in serious situations.
Interestingly this is the only in service hull loss ever for an A319, which has been flying for 25 years with 1500 built (~30 million flights). Among airplane types with zero fatalities, the A319 has by far the most hours, making it statistically the safest type (and this is despite operating into numerous challenging airports in all 7 continents including Antarctica)
@@CoIoneIPanic History proves otherwise. Name a single aircraft type that has 1500 built, 25 years in service, with 1 non-fatal hull loss. I'll wait. For reference the 737 Classics, of which less are flying, have 64 hull losses with 1200 deaths.
@@albertabound5124 The A-340s and A-380s are great also when it comes to safety record. Especially the A-340 given the hindsight we have on its career.
The captain was a bloody loose cannon. I hope he got banned from getting anywhere near a cockpit again. As a flight crew you are supposed to be as one with each other getting the passengers safely to their destination unlike this A-Hole who spent the flight deriding the FO. The FO made some mistakes too but cockpit communication played a major role. Hopefully the FO still has a career. Got to wonder what the spare pilot was thinking too...they should have been helping to sort this mess out...even if off duty
I used to be a palliative carer...and it is possible to be complacent in any job..but I would remind myself, it may be my 50th or 100th patient, but for their family it was the first..they had never lost a mother, father, sibling, spouse..before..and flying and landing planes the same..every time is the first time.
I thought for sure the Captain had killed them all. They were damn lucky. Thank you Allec for your straight forward, no nonsense approach to these videos. Can't watch TFC this week...he's narrating again!
Great video. The text says: "Because the pilots could not see the runway prior to the MDA, procedures would have required them to abandon the approach." Actually, on a non-precision approach you descend to the MDA and then drive it in until you can either see the runway and engage a normal glidepath to land, or hit the Missed Approach Point (MAP) and then initiate a go-around if you cannot safely land.
@@alexhoe02 Just like blood bath said, questioning the legitimacy wasn't my intention! I know that the official accident reports are made public, similarly, I was wondering if the cvr audio recordings are too?
@@mukulgupta1966 well yes it was made public otherwise I wouldn’t of had a copy of it with the final report. The cvr audio is also available on RUclips if you search for it. Not all accidents have the audio released. Such as the Atlas Air accident last, some such as Wind Jet 243 well I aren’t sure why they released it. Probably training reasons
@@alexhoe02 Just listened to the original cvr. I guess I kinda assumed that if this channel doesn't play the original audio in it's video, then it must not exist! But still the question remains, how are these recordings leaked? Or do they publish it somewhere officially?
They all made it, which is what matters. However, I knew something bad was going to happen when the pilot didn't break off the approach after not spotting the runway at MDA. F/O should have acted on his won. Nice vid, Allec. And if anyone wonders why I say "vid", it's just slang lol... :p
The Captain is supposed to set the tone in the cockpit. He should have been adhering to proper company procedures and helping the 1200 hour first officer complete a successful approach, he obviously did not. If you took a look into his past he probably had a history of being a jerk to his F/O's. 94 landings at this airport in the last six months with number 95 ending like this tells us there will never be any room for complacency in aviation.
As an ER nurse, the dynamics are similar between us and physicians. It takes a lot of confidence/experience to speak up to one of you think they're doing something wrong. However, the difference in our bottom line is 'what's safest/best for the patient', not 'who's right'. Perhaps if pilots thought about 'what's safest/best for our passengers', it might make the thought process a little different. I dunno. Not a pilot, just a nurse who wishes she was a pilot, lol 😂 🤔...
That's what CRM (Crew Resource Management) is all about. Its roots can be traced back to the late 70s when an arrogant captain ran a DC-8 out of fuel because he wouldn't listen to the First Officer or the Flight Engineer while they had a possible landing gear issue. In a nutshell, CRM is supposed to do pretty much as you suggested. Everyone work together as a team to ensure that maximum possible safety. While Captains do indeed have the final say, they are supposed to carefully consider what the other crew members have to say and no one will be punished for speaking up. I don't know about the airline in the video but the one I flew for had a policy of if either pilot called for a go-around, the go-around was initiated without question. In this case, had the non-flying pilot called for the go-around when he saw 4 red lights (meaning a dangerously low altitude), and the flying pilot initiated the go-around, almost certainly the next approach would have resulted in a safe landing.
@@rrknl5187 yes, absolutely. My husband used to be a medical helicopter flight dispatcher. There are 3 souls on each flight without a patient aboard (pilot, and 2 medical personnel). The saying (AND RULE), is 3 to say 'go', and 1 to say 'no'. If even 1 person says no, the flight is aborted. Really, in all industries it should be a partnership of trust, not about egos. Alas, we are human... And we can make the worst (or best) of decisions depending on what drives us 💞
@@16MedicRN It's United 173. Basically, when they lowered the landing gear, instead of lowering normally, one of the main gears dropped down with a 'clunk' noise. They circled around trying to figure out if the gear was down and locked or not. The captain had a reputation of making life difficult for anyone who even so much as thought of challenging his decisions so the other 2 crew members kept quiet until it was obvious that fuel was dangerously low. When the decision was made to continue with the landing, it was too late. Within a couple of minutes, all 4 engines failed due to running out of fuel and the plane crashed short of the runway. Back then, I owned and flew a Piper Comanche and one of my trips was to Portland a few days after the crash. I could plainly see the wreckage on approach to the runway. The general attitude back then was that the captain was completely and totally in control and the co-pilot (First officer these days) was simply an assistant. Crew Resource Management came into being largely as result of this accident. It was pretty obvious that the old system wasn't working very well and the solution was to have the crew be more like a team rather than a tyrant and slaves......lol. And it worked!
@@rrknl5187 imagine that!! All perished I assume? I can't imagine what went thru your mind when you saw the wreckage... What a sad, sad lesson to learn 😔 My best friend, who is an OR nurse, once positioned her body over the patient on the table and told the surgeon, 'You've got your scalpel out, and you've not yet even stated which limb we're operating on, confirmed if we have consent, if a DNR was in place, or even checked the patient's name. We're doing this correctly, or not at all.' BALLSY!
Thank god no one was killed. Too bad about wrecking a perfectly fine aircraft because the captain is a know it all with a big ego. I wonder. Did he continue flying for another airline?
the commander was sentenced to one year and six months in prison and his license was withdrawn, but hey we are in Italy and everything is possible here
@@mouzerofficial I think the RUclips commercials pay Allec a fee to advertise during his Flight Channel videos. It helps support him in addition to all his Patreons.
This video has a minor mistake about non precision approaches. That term means there is no vertical guidance, just target altitudes at certain distances from the runway. So, unlike a precision approach that has glide slope guidance and a decision altitude at which the pilot must see the runway or go around, these have a Minimum Descent Altitude. The proper procedure is to hold that altitude until either seeing the runway or reaching the Missed Approach Point (usually over the runway threshold), at which point they must start the Missed Approach Procedure ( go around.). The video is incorrect that upon reaching MDA the crew must go around.
No, that’s not correct. 2D approaches don’t have vertical guidance. Non precision approaches can be either 3D (wiht vertical guidance) or 2D. Either way, it is much safer to fly a continuous descent to arrive at the MDA (or MDA +50, depending on the regulator) and execute a missap if no visual. Flying level at MDA seriously degrades safety and most good airlines won’t do it.
Most likely another preventable accident. I can really appreciate how difficult the ATC job is, not only are they trying to keep an eye on weather conditions, but they are also dealing with pilots with different personalities. They do an incredible job, especially when the skies are so crowded nowadays.
Watching a lot of airplane crash videos I'm noticing something that is very disturbing and that is just how many times it turns out to be the fault of the very experienced Captain. Too much ego, too much arrogance, way too much complacency and not taking your responsibilities seriously and that's just a few of his apparent problems. Thank God he didn't kill anyone, he just destroyed an airplane.
1. Another non-precision approach in bad weather. Why? Just why? Use an ILS and call it a day. 2. Why don’t the same crews of pilots of pilots always fly together? Chemistry is so important in that cockpit.
1.Was there an ILS available? Probably not as the we’re using an NPA. We don’t use em for fun. 2. No. This allows crews to get complacent and develop their own ways of working rather than sticking to SOPs.
I had identical situation as F/O with captain additionally losing speed - night approach on marginal island strip - 10 metre cliff at threshold, under 1,000 m - touch down zone must be precise. My action was to elbow in him sharply in the nose, forcing his hands from controls - no time to waste in argument. Fortunately, by my third airspeed/height profile call, he took sufficient remedial action to eastblish a useful flight path and sufficient speed (landing config in this machine meant a loss of even five knots was serious: we were already five under and losing more at an unchecked rate). I reported him and he had to undergo a proficiency check. He was the most senior check & training captain in the country. He marginally passed, well knowing why he was being checked. ..he stayed properly alert.
@@christopherbatty3837 Very cool! Not only that you conveyed this most excellent story but that you took responsibility over a senior officer. I'm sure there are many who wouldn't. This is what I like about this channel. We have people like you who actually are in similar circumstances sharing your related stories.
@@BillGreenAZ thanx... I have MANY more 2-crew stories....imagine you are rolling toward V1...and the PNF (Captain) argues with you (PF) over the power setting 😨😨😨😨 ...I had to reset the power myself & shout at him to give me calls and shut the f*ck up....talk about "sterile cockpit proc" 😂😂😂😂😂✈✈✈✈ BTW: I'm from Oz - aircrew have a reputation for speaking out - one reason why they & ex-mil RAAF jocks are so welcomed by the international carriers in Asia-Pacific.
Hey Allec! Your channel is awesome and it helped me to increase my interest in aircrafts alot and the science behind it. You do an incredible Job. I would love to ask you, if you could ever upload a video about an incident of the Ariana Afghan Airlines. Since 1955 they have been 24 crashes, most of it because of war or terrorist attacks. they have Airbusses, Boings, DC´s and some russian airplanes in their history, due to the sowjet invasion. Greetings and all the best
@@B3Band I believe since this was a recent incident and all pilots (including the ride-along pilot) are still alive, their names aren't released due to privacy issues. On the older crashes, when all parties are killed in the crash, Allec usually names them.
When the weather is bad, visibility is poor and it's at night and you can't see the runway or what's going on, abandon the approach and divert to an alternate.
Hello There! Brilliantly redone by you Allec it is as good as real. Could you tell me which joystick do you use for doing Flight Sim Videos? Thanks. Looking forward to your next Air Disaster Video. Also to mention your Video titles are quite catchy and interesting, I really like them :D!
Evil triumphs when good people do nothing...... Am I nuts or did the Captain want lower approach speed to increase passenger comfort and, at the same time, mock the FO for wanting speed to avoid turbulence? That's all you need to know right there, isn't it? Check yourself before you wreck yourself.....
I couldn't be an airline pilot because I'd refuse to fly at night and, even if the rain were just a sprinkle, I'd ask to be routed to another airport. Maybe I've just watched too many of these videos.
All the Windjet aircraft pictured were Irish or French. I don't know where the company was registered, but it seems their aircraft were wet leased. Wh. indicates profit above safety. Also, nearly all of these incidents point to zero CRM. Even after Tenerife, cockpit crew still get it wrong.
F/O TIME ....5 HOURS ON TYPE. 3 takeoff/landings. That's all. The FO of the Ethiopian Boeing Max crash had TOTAL TIME 150 hr - legal, but worse than operating single pilot ops. This is THE FACE of modern contemporary air carriers. I know: I was involved with international carrier training for two majors.
@@prancer1803 Hi, yes I know the min 1,500 hr ..as it well should be - Am D-8 driver, so I know all about the USA crash that brought about the change. Here in Oz, it is normal for an FO to have several thousand hours including ample SP IFR command decision making ✈
See Airblue Flight 202 for a similar case of overly cocky/rude captain and overly submissive FO - but with a considerably less happy ending than this one.
An azshowel captain working for an azshowel company. Seems like the co-pilot was the only one who had it together, but he should have back-handed the captain.
can someone please help me find a crash where the pilot was pulling up and the other guy was pulling down and they couldnt work out why the planes wasn't flying properly?
it's almost always a captain in his 50's with 15'000 hours or more that i see in these video's and a first officer that a large percentage of the time is correct and to scared to speak up.
Good video but a small error in the text. At 13.23 you state that visibility was 2 nautical miles. At 13.37 you state that .4 miles from the runway "it would have been impossible to see the runway." Not true if visibility were really 2 nautical miles. Conditions were not as reported, which is not uncommon in rapidly changing weather. As a pilot you have to deal with what is right in front of you, not what's reported. But your overall point is correct, that they should have gone missed and not attempted to continue the approach.
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Weather and pilot ego wrecks another perfectly good airplane. No deaths or serious injuries in this one, at least.
Yeah, have those types of pilots not learned anything since Northwest Airlink 5719.
It’s OK about destroying the plane. Replacing it is good for the economy. EDIT: For those who didn’t get the gist of my comment, I was being SARCASTIC. I guess it was from watching too much “All in the Family” in the 1970s. Archie often said that America at war was good for the economy.
Luckliy no one is injured
@@CH67guy1 but not good for the airline which ceased operations a couple years later😂😔
@@senorpepper3405 LOL and rip airline
Thankyou Alec for yet another brilliant, informative reconstruction. A lot of work must go into what you do,and is much appreciated! So thankyou once more!🤗
This captain sounds like he might be related to the captain of the Costa Concordia. Take your job seriously and pay attention for crying out loud.
You should have another channel called "where is this bastard now?"
Runs a brothel in southern Sicily.
...probably ferries leased DC-3s to Africa with oil leaking from both engines....ha.
I like you Bryce. That's funny
the commander was sentenced to one year and six months in prison and his license was withdrawn, but hey we are in Italy and everything is possible here
This would be a good one to watch when someone has the CVR dialog between the Captain and the F/O.
TheFlightChannel has one I believe~
'I have control.' But he didn't. He had vanity. And 'familiarity breeds contempt.'
Big egos, bad weather, poor communication and airplanes are a dangerous mix.
Well said
@FH99
That and a newer much less experienced FO who was intimidated by the Captain should have spoken up, I would have insisted on a go around.
There was a high experience gradient on that flight deck (Capt with many more hours than F/O) This could have prevented the F/O challenging the Capt more than he did. It is obvious that the Capt was overconfident and did not follow standard operating procedures which are there to prevent accidents such as this.
That kind of gradient and ego also caused the Tenerife Airport Disaster. The KLM captain had all the power and didn't teach buddingvpilots about ATC commands in serious situations.
RIP little A319, you saved everyone
Interestingly this is the only in service hull loss ever for an A319, which has been flying for 25 years with 1500 built (~30 million flights). Among airplane types with zero fatalities, the A319 has by far the most hours, making it statistically the safest type (and this is despite operating into numerous challenging airports in all 7 continents including Antarctica)
@@albertabound5124 Don't jinx it.
@@albertabound5124 nope. That plane is junk. I know.
@@CoIoneIPanic History proves otherwise. Name a single aircraft type that has 1500 built, 25 years in service, with 1 non-fatal hull loss. I'll wait. For reference the 737 Classics, of which less are flying, have 64 hull losses with 1200 deaths.
@@albertabound5124 The A-340s and A-380s are great also when it comes to safety record. Especially the A-340 given the hindsight we have on its career.
Everyone survived
that's a good thing
Thank God for that
@@arliesam948 amen
@@arliesam948 Amen
To the captain - "YOU'RE FIRED!"
Thank you Mr. Trump.
The captain was a bloody loose cannon. I hope he got banned from getting anywhere near a cockpit again. As a flight crew you are supposed to be as one with each other getting the passengers safely to their destination unlike this A-Hole who spent the flight deriding the FO. The FO made some mistakes too but cockpit communication played a major role. Hopefully the FO still has a career. Got to wonder what the spare pilot was thinking too...they should have been helping to sort this mess out...even if off duty
His mistake was made at 8:42 when he did not have visual and decided to continue 🤔.........🙏🏿
I was yelling in my head TO-GA...I was thinking they are very low...chance of surprise terrain = high....get altitude pronto
@@jyralnadreth4442 You are absolutely correct
@@jyralnadreth4442 Good thing the runway was on the beach; going below MDA usually flies you into a hill or mountain.
Talk about yer “Non-Precision Approach”.
“Missed it by THAT much!”
Maxwell Smart in control!
✋ 372 meters ✋ 😬
WHEW! Big Shot Captain cost his company an aircraft, but at least he didn't kill anyone...
And possibly the company too...
No matter how familiar you might be with something--a place or a job, always be thorough and detailed in your work!
I used to be a palliative carer...and it is possible to be complacent in any job..but I would remind myself, it may be my 50th or 100th patient, but for their family it was the first..they had never lost a mother, father, sibling, spouse..before..and flying and landing planes the same..every time is the first time.
Great job you do on your videos, I really enjoy them, thanks.
I thought for sure the Captain had killed them all. They were damn lucky. Thank you Allec for your straight forward, no nonsense approach to these videos. Can't watch TFC this week...he's narrating again!
Thanks Allec! I watch every week; as a CFI your videos are a great source of continuous learning!
Thanks Allec. Awesome content as always brother.
Spoiled by too many commericals.
Nice work as usual. Dramatic and informative.
I just commented in a 2017 video about the stroke outline on your text titles, and looks like you did finally master those at some point! nice!
Great video. The text says: "Because the pilots could not see the runway prior to the MDA, procedures would have required them to abandon the approach." Actually, on a non-precision approach you descend to the MDA and then drive it in until you can either see the runway and engage a normal glidepath to land, or hit the Missed Approach Point (MAP) and then initiate a go-around if you cannot safely land.
Are the cvr recordings of flights involved in accidents made public officially?
The cvr is legit, I provided him the audio
@@alexhoe02 That's not at all what he asked.
@@alexhoe02 Just like blood bath said, questioning the legitimacy wasn't my intention! I know that the official accident reports are made public, similarly, I was wondering if the cvr audio recordings are too?
@@mukulgupta1966 well yes it was made public otherwise I wouldn’t of had a copy of it with the final report. The cvr audio is also available on RUclips if you search for it.
Not all accidents have the audio released. Such as the Atlas Air accident last, some such as Wind Jet 243 well I aren’t sure why they released it. Probably training reasons
@@alexhoe02 Just listened to the original cvr. I guess I kinda assumed that if this channel doesn't play the original audio in it's video, then it must not exist! But still the question remains, how are these recordings leaked? Or do they publish it somewhere officially?
They all made it, which is what matters. However, I knew something bad was going to happen when the pilot didn't break off the approach after not spotting the runway at MDA. F/O should have acted on his won. Nice vid, Allec. And if anyone wonders why I say "vid", it's just slang lol... :p
The Captain is supposed to set the tone in the cockpit. He should have been adhering to proper company procedures and helping the 1200 hour first officer complete a successful approach, he obviously did not. If you took a look into his past he probably had a history of being a jerk to his F/O's. 94 landings at this airport in the last six months with number 95 ending like this tells us there will never be any room for complacency in aviation.
As an ER nurse, the dynamics are similar between us and physicians. It takes a lot of confidence/experience to speak up to one of you think they're doing something wrong. However, the difference in our bottom line is 'what's safest/best for the patient', not 'who's right'. Perhaps if pilots thought about 'what's safest/best for our passengers', it might make the thought process a little different. I dunno. Not a pilot, just a nurse who wishes she was a pilot, lol 😂 🤔...
That's what CRM (Crew Resource Management) is all about.
Its roots can be traced back to the late 70s when an arrogant captain ran a DC-8 out of fuel because he wouldn't listen to the First Officer or the Flight Engineer while they had a possible landing gear issue.
In a nutshell, CRM is supposed to do pretty much as you suggested. Everyone work together as a team to ensure that maximum possible safety.
While Captains do indeed have the final say, they are supposed to carefully consider what the other crew members have to say and no one will be punished for speaking up.
I don't know about the airline in the video but the one I flew for had a policy of if either pilot called for a go-around, the go-around was initiated without question. In this case, had the non-flying pilot called for the go-around when he saw 4 red lights (meaning a dangerously low altitude), and the flying pilot initiated the go-around, almost certainly the next approach would have resulted in a safe landing.
@@rrknl5187 yes, absolutely. My husband used to be a medical helicopter flight dispatcher. There are 3 souls on each flight without a patient aboard (pilot, and 2 medical personnel). The saying (AND RULE), is 3 to say 'go', and 1 to say 'no'. If even 1 person says no, the flight is aborted. Really, in all industries it should be a partnership of trust, not about egos. Alas, we are human... And we can make the worst (or best) of decisions depending on what drives us 💞
@@rrknl5187 what happened to that DC-8 flight 😔?
@@16MedicRN It's United 173.
Basically, when they lowered the landing gear, instead of lowering normally, one of the main gears dropped down with a 'clunk' noise.
They circled around trying to figure out if the gear was down and locked or not.
The captain had a reputation of making life difficult for anyone who even so much as thought of challenging his decisions so the other 2 crew members kept quiet until it was obvious that fuel was dangerously low.
When the decision was made to continue with the landing, it was too late. Within a couple of minutes, all 4 engines failed due to running out of fuel and the plane crashed short of the runway.
Back then, I owned and flew a Piper Comanche and one of my trips was to Portland a few days after the crash. I could plainly see the wreckage on approach to the runway.
The general attitude back then was that the captain was completely and totally in control and the co-pilot (First officer these days) was simply an assistant.
Crew Resource Management came into being largely as result of this accident.
It was pretty obvious that the old system wasn't working very well and the solution was to have the crew be more like a team rather than a tyrant and slaves......lol.
And it worked!
@@rrknl5187 imagine that!! All perished I assume? I can't imagine what went thru your mind when you saw the wreckage... What a sad, sad lesson to learn 😔 My best friend, who is an OR nurse, once positioned her body over the patient on the table and told the surgeon, 'You've got your scalpel out, and you've not yet even stated which limb we're operating on, confirmed if we have consent, if a DNR was in place, or even checked the patient's name. We're doing this correctly, or not at all.' BALLSY!
Thank god no one was killed. Too bad about wrecking a perfectly fine aircraft because the captain is a know it all with a big ego. I wonder. Did he continue flying for another airline?
the commander was sentenced to one year and six months in prison and his license was withdrawn, but hey we are in Italy and everything is possible here
...three YT commercials is two too many!
YT?
@@Capecodham
...I meant just commercials on "YT" (You Tube). Thanks.
Ad Block Plus my dude
@@mouzerofficial I think the RUclips commercials pay Allec a fee to advertise during his Flight Channel videos. It helps support him in addition to all his Patreons.
RUclips premium 10 bucks a month
Hubris. Captain was too cocky to give more than lip service to CRM.
This video has a minor mistake about non precision approaches. That term means there is no vertical guidance, just target altitudes at certain distances from the runway. So, unlike a precision approach that has glide slope guidance and a decision altitude at which the pilot must see the runway or go around, these have a Minimum Descent Altitude. The proper procedure is to hold that altitude until either seeing the runway or reaching the Missed Approach Point (usually over the runway threshold), at which point they must start the Missed Approach Procedure ( go around.). The video is incorrect that upon reaching MDA the crew must go around.
No, that’s not correct.
2D approaches don’t have vertical guidance. Non precision approaches can be either 3D (wiht vertical guidance) or 2D. Either way, it is much safer to fly a continuous descent to arrive at the MDA (or MDA +50, depending on the regulator) and execute a missap if no visual. Flying level at MDA seriously degrades safety and most good airlines won’t do it.
I know I probably gonna sound like a crazed fan but "Allec you da best !💙
Wow! Everyone on board survived. Miracle.
If no pilot names age given at the start of the video, then there are no deaths in the accident.
Thank you for doing these videos.😄
Always a bother to see a plane wasted like that.
Most likely another preventable accident. I can really appreciate how difficult the ATC job is, not only are they trying to keep an eye on weather conditions, but they are also dealing with pilots with different personalities. They do an incredible job, especially when the skies are so crowded nowadays.
I like these nite time videos very well done..
Awesome Job Allec👍👍
Thanks Allec
Watching a lot of airplane crash videos I'm noticing something that is very disturbing and that is just how many times it turns out to be the fault of the very experienced Captain. Too much ego, too much arrogance, way too much complacency and not taking your responsibilities seriously and that's just a few of his apparent problems. Thank God he didn't kill anyone, he just destroyed an airplane.
1. Another non-precision approach in bad weather. Why? Just why? Use an ILS and call it a day.
2. Why don’t the same crews of pilots of pilots always fly together? Chemistry is so important in that cockpit.
1.Was there an ILS available? Probably not as the we’re using an NPA. We don’t use em for fun.
2. No. This allows crews to get complacent and develop their own ways of working rather than sticking to SOPs.
@@peteconrad2077 According to Chartfox (chartfox.org/), runway 07 only has visual approaches.
Because Palermo doesn’t have an ILS for Rwy 07. It’s either a VOR or RNP and the RNP approach may not have existed back then
Always informative and educational.
Yay! KEEP GOING ALLEC!! :D
I shouldn't be watching these videos. I'm going to fly on a plane tomorrow! My first regional jet ride.
Good luck. Hope your flight will not be featured by Alec
Fingers crossed for you that this captain is nowhere near your flight!
Did you make it? Please respond.
FO: I see 4 red! Captain fails to react.
FO should have taken over regardless of what the captain says.
I had identical situation as F/O with captain additionally losing speed - night approach on marginal island strip - 10 metre cliff at threshold, under 1,000 m - touch down zone must be precise.
My action was to elbow in him sharply in the nose, forcing his hands from controls - no time to waste in argument.
Fortunately, by my third airspeed/height profile call, he took sufficient remedial action to eastblish a useful flight path and sufficient speed (landing config in this machine meant a loss of even five knots was serious: we were already five under and losing more at an unchecked rate).
I reported him and he had to undergo a proficiency check. He was the most senior check & training captain in the country. He marginally passed, well knowing why he was being checked. ..he stayed properly alert.
@@christopherbatty3837 Very cool! Not only that you conveyed this most excellent story but that you took responsibility over a senior officer. I'm sure there are many who wouldn't.
This is what I like about this channel. We have people like you who actually are in similar circumstances sharing your related stories.
@@BillGreenAZ very difficult to nudge the cpt (more senior) in the nose and take the controls. Possible? Yes. Easy? No.
@@prancer1803 😂...no different from the sign in your local shop "please do not ask for credit, as a punch in the face usually offends."
😂...
@@BillGreenAZ thanx... I have MANY more 2-crew stories....imagine you are rolling toward V1...and the PNF (Captain) argues with you (PF) over the power setting 😨😨😨😨 ...I had to reset the power myself & shout at him to give me calls and shut the f*ck up....talk about "sterile cockpit proc" 😂😂😂😂😂✈✈✈✈
BTW: I'm from Oz - aircrew have a reputation for speaking out - one reason why they & ex-mil RAAF jocks are so welcomed by the international carriers in Asia-Pacific.
A captain should always be nice to the first officer. Its better to have an ally after dorking it in. Best action, of course, is don't crash.
Thank you for this video, I was on that fly.
Is it just me or is it when any of the cockpit or the sky is that menacing red I get scared and anxious for whats to come? Lol.
Your videos are amazing 👍 👏
9:36 - “...after passing the intersection of Runway 02 and Runway 20”. Uhhh, wouldn’t that be the same piece of tarmac? 🧐
Un saluto dall'Italia!
Greetings from Italy :)
Hey Allec! Your channel is awesome and it helped me to increase my interest in aircrafts alot and the science behind it. You do an incredible Job. I would love to ask you, if you could ever upload a video about an incident of the Ariana Afghan Airlines. Since 1955 they have been 24 crashes, most of it because of war or terrorist attacks. they have Airbusses, Boings, DC´s and some russian airplanes in their history, due to the sowjet invasion. Greetings and all the best
thank god everyone survived
If no pilot names age given at the start of the video, then there are no deaths in the accident.
@@B3Band uhh answer to Allec
Great job pilot
United we stand, divided we fall. Simple and true!
Were there and repercussions for the pilot and/or copilot? Or the pilot riding in the jump seat?
They weer forced to listen to an hour of a boring Joe Biden speech.
Haha !
No deaths, so their names were not published. Beyond that, it's none of our business, since you'll never know who they were.
@@B3Band I believe since this was a recent incident and all pilots (including the ride-along pilot) are still alive, their names aren't released due to privacy issues. On the older crashes, when all parties are killed in the crash, Allec usually names them.
@@chadhaire1711 Yuck yuck. We won't have to listen to any more of Trump's insanity after Jan 20, thank God.
As the saying goes, "There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but no old bold pilots." The guy took way too many chances.
When the weather is bad, visibility is poor and it's at night and you can't see the runway or what's going on, abandon the approach and divert to an alternate.
Your topics are real pop ups
Hello There! Brilliantly redone by you Allec it is as good as real. Could you tell me which joystick do you use for doing Flight Sim Videos? Thanks. Looking forward to your next Air Disaster Video. Also to mention your Video titles are quite catchy and interesting, I really like them :D!
Which part of "non-precision approach" do you not understand?
Good job. Always inprudence
With the way the weather was rendered, I kept picturing the airliner flying through Hyperspace from Babylon 5...
wassup with the 1980s 386 graphic ?
Evil triumphs when good people do nothing......
Am I nuts or did the Captain want lower approach speed to increase passenger comfort and, at the same time, mock the FO for wanting speed to avoid turbulence? That's all you need to know right there, isn't it?
Check yourself before you wreck yourself.....
No. The captain wanted lower speed and mocked the FO for keeping speed up at 250 knots.
I couldn't be an airline pilot because I'd refuse to fly at night and, even if the rain were just a sprinkle, I'd ask to be routed to another airport. Maybe I've just watched too many of these videos.
Good video
All the Windjet aircraft pictured were Irish or French. I don't know where the company was registered, but it seems their aircraft were wet leased. Wh. indicates profit above safety. Also, nearly all of these incidents point to zero CRM. Even after Tenerife, cockpit crew still get it wrong.
Was anyone fired? I always wonder what the follow up is. But personnel issues are confidential.
You NEVER go under Mins when at the MAP , unless you have the runway or runway environment in sight. How does FO get a job with that little time.
I believe the First Officers on the two 737 Max crashes had very low time as well....if I remember correctly.
F/O TIME ....5 HOURS ON TYPE. 3 takeoff/landings. That's all.
The FO of the Ethiopian Boeing Max crash had TOTAL TIME 150 hr - legal, but worse than operating single pilot ops.
This is THE FACE of modern contemporary air carriers.
I know: I was involved with international carrier training for two majors.
@@christopherbatty3837 not in the United States. Maybe in the developing/3rd world though.
@@prancer1803 Hi, yes I know the min 1,500 hr ..as it well should be - Am D-8 driver, so I know all about the USA crash that brought about the change.
Here in Oz, it is normal for an FO to have several thousand hours including ample SP IFR command decision making ✈
@@christopherbatty3837 how do you think you get hours on type without a job?
Pilot: Look Ma, no hands!
At least the passengers were able to get busses to the terminal.
Have you done Air France 447?
The Flight Channel also covered this accident. Aren't you guys doing double work?
That 'captain' blew it in several ways.
Nice Video
Love your videos 💗. Could you do FlyDubai 981?
Why is there a comment giving away the outcome directly below the clip before I watch it on every single one of these😠🤬
I'm sure from the info provided that Capt. Big Britches was showing off to the jump seat.
JUST MY OPINION BUT THESE PILOTS SHOULD BE "WRITTEN OFF" JUST AS THE AIRLINER THEY DESTROYED WAS...THANK GOD NO DEATHS! GREAT VIDEO.
I looked at the registration of the aircraft at 10:43...
I regret it.
And on that farm, he had a horse....e, I, e, I ???
lmao
I saw that, too. Ironic, since this landing was a bit premature! 😄
I have always said in my comments, that you can't and should never break the flight rules. They are there for good reason.
At least they made it safely to the airport
Plane totaled, everyone survives with only a couple injuries... that's my kind of plane!👍
Off with his head.
he just crashed a hundred million dollar machine. he didn't assume anyone's gender or anything. he's fine😂
"WindJet Flight 243 now arriving at gate 10 . . . gate 9 . . . gate 8 . . . gate . . . . . . . "
The jet had an EI reg on the side of it. I s, nt that the reg for ireland. Was the jet leased from an Irish company?
The same goes for Alitalia
www.pprune.org/spectators-balcony-spotters-corner/414016-italian-aircraft-irish-registered.html
Hello kuya Allec where you from po? Ibay din po ako 🤗
Many Problem's exist only because of the Captain's big Ego, hope it's better this days :/
See Airblue Flight 202 for a similar case of overly cocky/rude captain and overly submissive FO - but with a considerably less happy ending than this one.
'Look...no charts...'
An azshowel captain working for an azshowel company. Seems like the co-pilot was the only one who had it together, but he should have back-handed the captain.
Allec I love your vids ...but why are the skies in all your videos always blood red like there always flying in hell 🤣
Man, if only more CRM was on hand from the FO.. but at least everyone made it; this could have turned so much worse
can someone please help me find a crash where the pilot was pulling up and the other guy was pulling down and they couldnt work out why the planes wasn't flying properly?
Af 447
@@kingssuck06 yes thats the one thank you so much man
That is a very very sad situation. There have been simulations that re-enacted that.
Italian drivers, what can you say.
They usually go too fast. 😆
it's almost always a captain in his 50's with 15'000 hours or more that i see in these video's and a first officer that a large percentage of the time is correct and to scared to speak up.
Good video but a small error in the text. At 13.23 you state that visibility was 2 nautical miles. At 13.37 you state that .4 miles from the runway "it would have been impossible to see the runway." Not true if visibility were really 2 nautical miles. Conditions were not as reported, which is not uncommon in rapidly changing weather. As a pilot you have to deal with what is right in front of you, not what's reported. But your overall point is correct, that they should have gone missed and not attempted to continue the approach.
Go and read it again. It’s not as you claim.
Slow the wording a bit, you do such a great job
They shouldn't allow a 10,000 hour difference between pilot and copilot. The pilot never listens when that is the case.
No. You just need a reasonable CRM Training programme.