MAPPA And The Dire State Of The ANIME Industry
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- There's a lot going on in the anime world, specifically with MAPPA, and there's been a flood of criticism their way, on Jujutsu Kaisen, on Attack on Titan.. you name it. But this isn't just a Mappa Problem, this is an industry wide issue, this is The Anime Problem - Artists are overworked and underpaid, and it only seems to be getting worse. Let's talk about it.
Edited by ThisisaComputer @Thisisacomputah
Also Edited by Mauricio Velazco
CHAPTERS:
Do You Watch Jujutsu Kaisen? [0:00]
Animation Is Duh, Hard [4:22]
Manabu Ootsuka [9:04]
More Ways Than One [14:39]
I Just Want Working Conditions To Improve [21:09]
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Yk the ironic yet sad thing is that Mappa was founded from animators that were very overworked from Madhouse & now they are doing it all over again. Truly sad news
Stated in the video! Yep, wild 😖
Now overworked Mappa animators will found another studio again
I don't understand why they don't give them a break. Wouldn't you get more quality if you people refreshed themselves and had the chance to complete it. The mahoraga fight was amazing and the animators really said this is only 30% of my true power
@@azaangeorge9552 Simple answer : They can't, system sucks.
Long answer:
It's just not the animators the suffer. It's most of the system. Good Forking luck trying to release episodes weekly where error or break will cost huge amount of money and time. Not to mention Voice acting, 3D, middle management and other department. If something goes wrong in one of them the entire thing gets delayed and now everyone has to work twice as much. And you know who has to work most of it off? Animators. So breaks are ABSOLUTELY OUT OF QUESTION.
It's like relay race but the track is impossibly long and they have impossibly short time limit and and top of that there are constant delays so most of the members have to run not twice but thrice as fast.
Because this is how the animation industry in Japan is like, that's how bad it's become, it's all more for profit than actual art, there's a reason why Miyazaki said that "anime was a mistake." Because greed and money destroyed the art.
The animators themselves from mappa seriously needs a major break because these animators should be treated like human beings not be treated like garbage in my opinion.
Anime industry needs better working conditions ASAP
I have to disagree with you on that
It's a full time job. What is it with artists and wanting to work like 10 hours a week for a full salary? You're expected to work the full hours at a full time job and meet deadlines. You think a factory is going to just stop production to give all the workers a month long break? This narrative of "Omg! They JUST finished working on X anime, and now started work on Y anime!" Yeah. That's how work works. You finish a project, and start a new one, because projects are how you get paid. You want to do less projects, while also getting paid? How does that work? Where does the money come from? Mappa are one of the highest paid animators in the industry. Most of the narrative over MAPPA in the west is total hyperbole and exaggerated google translated posts from twitter that lose the context of the post. You don't see coal miners whining on twitter about their 18 hour shift in the mines, or oil rig workers hitting their 20th hour on the shift and borderline about to pass out.
The alternative is you get junk like Invincible which takes literally 2 years to release only 4 episodes. What a colossal joke. American art is dead and unions kill it. God forbid Japan unionizes because anime will be a dead genre if those viper organizers start sucking up half the "increased wages" and damage studios even more. You think anime studios swim in money? They don't. The publisher of the series does. Unions would only compound the budget and make the work significantly worse.
@@Browntable i agree with that one hundred percent.
@@Julianjulesr1361that’s not the part i disagree on
its horrible how some dumb executives at the top are basically exploiting passionate animators love for their craft
And not even giving thought about their work environments.
Imagine a re-animation and a creative take on the classic Dragon Ball by Ufotable ♥
@@disneyfox5726ufotable arstyle is not suitable for dragon ball
@@RdhBLLdoes ufotable even have an artstyle because when I think of original dragon ball getting revamped I think “ghibli movie but the action goes hard” and ubw and demon slayer have different artstyles the only real similarities is that they both use rotoscoped shots
I don’t understand why is this scaring me dude, my heart dropped right to my stomach hearing a man worked 600 hours straight.
same. But that part hits me the most is the guy getting three days off in a tens month work. Bruh. They humans not machine
@@sameersharma763I once worked three weeks straight without a break day and I felt like a absolute shit 10 days in. If I had to guess, I probably lost 5 kilos in these three weeks because I was too stressed to eat
I have no idea how someone can put someone else through 600 hours of straight work. That's just slavery
@@juannaym8488were you under a strict deadline? If so I completely understand how you felt during that. I work 80 hour weeks for 3 weeks straight then get a week off but I enjoy it. Fortunately it’s the type of work you can get away with using earphones so I just listen to podcasts all day plus I get paid really well.
@@juannaym8488 that kinda sad to hear. Hope you are doing well by now.
Videos like these are desperately needed as MAPPA keeps picking up more and more projects. In all honesty I hope JJK don’t come back for a few years cause the way they are being treated is disgusting. Thank you for bringing this problem to more people’s eyes
Tweaking
They need to stop picking up more projects and and just finish what they have
We'll probably not be seeing JJK for a while after this season (unless they do another movie) But at least we got OPM S3 coming up let's gooo!
@@yourbasicninjabro one punch man is not going to get a season 3
@@RdhBLLthe dude who's making the opm manga just opened up his own anime studio so maybe he'll pick it up instead of Mappa
MAPPA will never be like KyoAni if they keep continuing the path they are going. KyoAni actually treats their workers like human beings. They pay their staff liveable wages and they actually educate beginner animators on anime creation. They also take their time on each project to ensure its the highest quality (hence why they only release less than MAPPA per year). KyoAni needs to be appreciated much more because of this honestly bc MAPPA makes them look like saints when its just the bare minimum.
Edit: Found out the animation studio was set on fire a couple of years ago and many staff have died bc of it, so please support KyoAni!!
Its insane to me that Vincent Chansard, probably one of the top 10 most talented animators in the industry...said that he never wants to work for mappa again....that is mindblowing.
I knew the schedules were bad, really bad. But once i saw that tweet from him i was like..holy shit...this schedule is beyond atrocious, illegally horrible
I had the same thought. That man is an insane worker and if he of all people says that he ain't working for Mappa, you know the situation is BAD bad.
It's so frustrating that this season of Jujutsu Kaisen is up there as one of my favorite seasons of anime of all time. Because every episode that comes out I have to say "Damn, what an amazing episode.......I really hope the animators got to see their families this week". It fucking sucks. And I don't think it's a coincidence that Mappa's twitter page disabled replies to their posts.
MAPPA twitter page had always been disabled to comments since AOT S4 if I remember correctly and not since JJK S2 due to the hate towards the staff that final season got.
@@lazyworkingsloth Ah, I didn't realize S4 got so much hate. I just fell off of it, because the plot got incredibly convoluted and hard to follow with the large break between seasons.
@@Cranson92now that it's finished completely you can watch it through and see the full story
It's not that hard to follow actually and plot isn't convoluted but complex in nature
Its funny how people kept complaining about the breaks in AOTs final season, when those same people are the ones criticizing MAPPA for rushing. With AOT they were super rushed originally, and had more time for the later parts which is why the further in you go the better MAPPAs AOT seasons look. Those long breaks are good for the abimators.@Cranson92
@@Cameron-qe7il I mean, the pacing of releases for AOT was always a problem for me, and one of the things i disliked about the show the most. 4 years between seasons 1 and 2. Season 3 took a 6 month break in the middle. I didn't even know season 4 was a different studio when I dropped it because it was business as usual with bad release schedule.
That being said, I think part of why MAPPA specifically got so much criticism was the naming scheme. Why would you call something "The Final Season" to get everyone hyped up and then take a 10 month break, then an 11 month break, then an 8 month break? 2 seasons and 2 movies. THAT'S what they produced. Not a single "final season".
Anime Fan : Mappa so good
Animator : 💀💀💀
Correction: Chainsaw Man actually sold pretty well. The myth that Chainsaw Man didn't sell well because of the Blu-ray sells is honestly pretty wrong.
Oricon did report that Chainsaw Man had a low turnout in its first 3 days, however, it did not account the sales data for Mappa's online stores (about 10,000 copies were sold).
So while having large numbers for Blu-ray sales is a good thing, it's not the only way for an anime to be financially successful.
That said, I hate how the animators are being overworked and underpaid, especially at Mappa. It's ironic, considering that Frieren has a much healthier production schedule in Madhouse, and it looks amazing. It's gotten to the point where I'm cheering for the animators whenever they decide to take a break, because at least they're being careful of their health. Too many shows are being made, but Manabu Otsuka does not care. He just wants to produce as many high profiled shows as possible, which sucks! At the end of the day, I hope that there can be more ways to support animators.
Frieren doesn't have action scenes for 85% of the series.
@@Sammysapphira Sure, I guess, but when it does, it looks incredible. I mean, it has 2D dragons, background animation mixing with foreground characters. And that's just all in one episode.
Every episode is so consistent with its quality, especially the most recent one, which had a full on dance sequence that reminded me of Beauty and the Beast. Just because a series doesn't have action, doesn't mean it can't look amazing.
@@Sammysapphira It doesn't have to be an action scene to be hard to animate.
Like, look at how actually consistent the animation quality is throughout the series so far, even the most mundane movements and actions look incredibly natural and just are at the summit of what i've ever seen in japanese animation, the whole thing looks somehow even better than chainsaw man for example, which already looked absolutely crazy for a weekly series despite the working conditions
@@SammysapphiraBlud thinks only Action Animation is a necessity 😂 bruh Frieren art is very detailed and MadHouse said fuck CG unlike Mappa who used CG in Chainsaw Man, Frieren has enough detail on each and every frame that only Ufotable, Kyoto Animation and maybe if A1 Pictures saved up money and hired best talents available only then would have been able to recreate this level of quality, recently A1 Pictures are learning from their past mistakes unfortuantely Aniplex is pushing more and more work on them so they want to have more time but Aniplex is not letting them have more time also their sibling company CloverWorks is popping off cuz of the many consecutive hits they have produced last year in short everyone working on Frieren is goated
@@Aman_Mondal absence of CGI isnt synonymous with great animation.
Chances are you just dont notice the CG present in frieren btw, i saw a ton of people unable to distinguish between what was CG and what wasnt in chainsaw man (which looked great btw, just stop hating on CG and start hating on the purgatory of an industry that forces animators to pump out stuff, CG or drawn, that looks mid most of the time because of very avoidable restraints)
This entire video alone was not only very informative, but it really describes the issues and the destructive peaces of nature taking place in Japan right now. We really have to appreciate the people taking their time and effort to create these mindblowing pieces of artwork, while also appreciating the people trying to help make their presence known.
*Check the salary animators make*
*Check the salary I do as a part time customer service employee*
"WHAT THE FUCK?"
One thing I find frustrating is that people act like it’s a MAPPA problem and not an industry problem
Some studios like UFOTable and Kyoto Animation are known for treating their animators right. But you're right, MAPPA is just the most immediate and well known offender of this sort.
The production team behind Toei's One Piece rarely crunch and animators, even part timers praise their management. Dorian Coulon said that he was given a month for layouts when he 3-4 days for that.
@@pockystick8557 Toei is an exception like Kyoto Animation
Well at least other studio's CEO try to hide this, Manabu Otsuka in an interview laughed while jokingly telling the interviewer that some of his animators only ate candy bars during the production of AOT
He's an insufferable shitbag
@@thomasffrench3639 Yes currently they are. But no 7 years DragonBall Super they weren't
The thing about AI is that you KNOW for Studios it'll just be a way to save money. Like, instead of giving it as a tool for their animators to save time to improve their working conditions which would totally benefit them (not as much as also getting payed better tho), they would just seek to replace them entirely.
I am never complaining about my work life ever again... Jesus
this is just straight up soft-slavery.
It's such a tough dilemma because watching and supporting MAPPA and otyer studios basically tells them that what they're doing works and wont change their ways but not watching those shows also means that those poor animators worked their asses off, slaving away for nothing, it's a lose-lose situation for them.
P.S. Editor was great, would love to see more of her on future videos!
Another interesting topic would be the manga industry, a horrible work environment with some awful tradgedies like what happened to togashi of HxH, and now Kohei Horikoshi (mha) my favorite series. It’s really sad
Luckily, Horikoshi should be able to finally rest in 6 months or less, depending on how long MHA's final fight will be
I'd rather get less anime or have more small studios than having people overworking and underpaid. It's amazing most of them pull through.
i grew up admiring animators, going to school to take part in productions. BUT ALSO GROWING UP, AND REALIZING WHAT THE FUCK GOES ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, nope. never. not gonna apply there. not just japan western animation studios also does shit to their staff. id rather stay in a local studio that at least let their staff sleep
Invincible animators making 2 minutes worth of animation and then getting a 2 yr long vacation 🗿🍷
Mappa animators literally working their a@s of and getting no vacation 💀
Also no offence im a big fan of both this js just a joke
Damn I can tell that opening was hell to edit
The thing I hate the most about the work conditions in the anime industry, is that I can't do shit about it. I'm on the other side of the world, simply writing and posting shit online won't change anything, I can write all I want about how their work conditions should change but all these execs would do if they ever read it is laugh. This is a change that has to come from inside Japan itself and the main obstacle is how normal it has become for them culturally, it feels like barely anyone speaks up or tries something about it cuz they think it's fine or that they should work harder, it's so weird. I fucking hate it, I feel powerless and pessimistic about it.
I love watching videos about things I've never heard about. I've watched like one anime in my entire life (I didn't finish it) and have no idea what MAPPA is
Idk if this is sarcastic or not lol but thank u!
@@Browntable No, not sarcastic. I found your video very interesting and informative. It sucks all the things artists have to go through, and it's good that you shed light on this stuff through this video
What I really want to see is people who consume these things to take the time to understand how these creators are making their individual animations. It really helps end ignorant discussions about why a show may look Good or "Bad".
Wit Studio is re-animating One Piece and I'm so happy to see the classic Luffy's journey with a new narrative just like Vinland Saga & Attack on Titan 💥, next what I want is a re-animation of the classic Dragon Ball by Ufotable ♥, because that will be ingenious in real, because the animation of Demon Slayer is the peak (only in terms of animation not in terms of storytelling) 🗿.
@@Julianjulesr1361Yeah. The "cutting edge technology"
Hopefully there'll be no AI in the show, guess we'll see! I do mention it in the video
Not when they might end up using AI to produce it...
@@Julianjulesr1361 they're using the cutting edge visual technology which means 3D animation not AI.
You shouldn't expect that much bud, and you should look for the staff and their credibility than just the studio, especially Wit ain't the same as it used to be nowadays
Animators need a union!
I like that Freiren meme where she tells Aura to work at MAPPA
😭😭😭😭
Just want to say The editing and delivery of this video are excellent. The effort you all put into this is seen and valued. Thank you for spreading awareness about the harsh conditions animators have to go through.
And yet, so many fans do not even realize it!
Thank you for making this video. It’s sad how ignorant and uniformed people can be, but stuff like this really helps shine a light on issues that affect the entire industry. Obviously no one wants this quality of animation to ever go away, but the animators absolutely MUST be compensated for their hard work. It’s a win-win for everyone. More people are willing to support the show, and the animators actually have motivation to show up to work every day and get things done, and in a healthy way. Anyway, this season has straight up been one of, if not the mostly consistently best animated show in probably forever. Every single episode has a stand-out moment
it's so so tough for me to learn about these things even with how aware i am of them. i've wanted to be an animator/artist in the movie world for years upon years now, but with every passing day, things just keep getting worse and worse. more overwork. less pay. worse working conditions. and then ai to top it all off stealing and chopping up my own hard work. i just wish i could help make things i love come to life, but i can't
The Chainsaw Man team under Mappa is actually said to be among the more flexible teams under Mappa. Key reason being Mappa self-funds Chainsaw Man which also means profit 100% goes to them (aside from the portion that goes to Shueisha, obviously), which means merch sales of the CSM anime actually goes to the studio and its staff. That also means Chainsaw Man has no production committee they need to answer to, which means no executives breathing down their necks with ridiculously unrealistic deadlines. The CSM project still has overtime and deadlines for submitting shots, but from what I've seen of comments from the animators, nothing as near as the ridiculousness that are JJK Season 2 deadlines. So I am inclined to believe that the Chainsaw Man team under Mappa might actually have better pay and better working conditions compared to the other teams. The thing is, that flexibility really only applies to the Chainsaw Man team, and ONLY them. Other shows under Mappa are under production committees and the executives in those committees are really abusing their power with the other IPs Mappa is handling.
If only lol, the CSM team is the same one working on JJK and is actually the most overworked team at MAPPA.
@grimtoki I guess employee benefits end immediately once they get rotated to other projects, lol. As Mauricio said in the video, entice young workers with the relatively solid benefits of the CSM production, then throw them to the wolves that is the JJK production 😂
That guy who commented " f**k mappa executives"😂😂😂
as a die hard yuri on ice fan since its release: thank you so much for adressing this anime and the issue with ice adolescence too! for me, the handling with ice ado is another perfect example of mappa's miscommunication (well, at least they've communicated in this year that yoi was their stairway to the fame while receiving the worst profit due to bad organization).
it's just so frustrating to know that other animes are getting season after season because their staff is overworked af.
nevertheless, great video!
(and of course, i'd love to see a video about yoi/ice ado
Fantastic video, loved your editors appearance. Really sad situation all around. Such a shame because its going to take such a large toll on so many amazing creatives. Guess the silver lining is all the lovely people like you who can manage smaller scale productions in far more humane ways.
Thank you for videos like this. I think both you and the Canipa Effect have perfectly tackled this issue.
I love Canipa Effect videos.
So glad to see an anime video again! Especially on a topic like which needs so much more eyes on it
Thanks so much! Share it wherever possible!
Thanks for the video! Let editor know we enjoyed the interjections!
7:25 excellent video, I learned so much and I particularly love the editing! Ok fine, full disclosure, the editor is my daughter ❤
But I’m impressed nonetheless!
Thank you!! The editing came out amazing for sure 🤧
I wish the issue with MAPPA and the anime industry as a whole resolves in a peaceful way, but tbh I think a cultural, financial, and massive revolution/reckoning is needed. MAPPA is an outlier right now but this issue of overwork is a tale as old as time.
At least the more we’re aware of it the more resources can be created to fight back against it. Great video ❤
You're right, japanese culture with all these things are the worst stuff you can possibly live in.
thanks for the eye opening year before new year , recently got a break to say happy holidays and bless MAPPA animators
As a Manga Artist on Webtoon. I just got to say that I'm at a loss for words these types people in Mappa need to understand that animations takes time and the way that they are treating the animators that work day in and day out its just cruel and disgusting.
Thats good I'm trying to same thing with friend
Brilliant and informative video! The editing is *chef’s kiss* ❤
this video is so srumdiliyumyum purpur love the editing i actually learnt a lot from this thank you and well done to everyone involved
Always thankful when creators make these kinds of videos. The anime industry is in dire need of change
this is actually a good video, thank you for bringing light to this
Really enjoyed this despite knowing nothing about the topic beforehand. The editing was really snappy and I loved all your music choices. Stellar work!
Damn dude. Your video hit really hard for me. I really love anime and seeing this sh*t happen is just so sad to me.
Merry Christmas, Browntable!!
This was such a fantastic breakdown. Great job
This just reminds me of cuphead. 10 seconds of animation is fucking dozens of frame 💀💀
Animation is so underappreciated. Animators and voice actors are uniquely equipped to understand the other's suffering.
Thank you for making this video. It’s so important for the fans of anime to know how their favorite shows are being produced
Well made video and for the editor dont worry I loved your segments ❤
LOVE ALL YOUR VIDEOS
Thank you for this. We need more people to see this
I thought I've never seen an anime discussion video from you, cus of that bocchi one, this is surprising, thank you for covering this🙏✨
Forgot to write this in my first comment but the intermittent animated segments in this video were freaking amazing and I really hope you continue to do them! Love the artstyle you used for them as well
Fantastic video as always I shared it on some subreddits.
So, I saw an AMV of that Yuri on Ice movie and it sold me. I watched and fell in love with the anime thinking that scene would be in it.... And after all that, it doesn't even exist. I was devastated.
This video really opens a lot to me and i genuinely didn't expect that there were workers in worst case scenarios i found to relate wholeheartedly.
I recently worked in a 2d animated short film that i directed myself and during the 2 months production it was just as bad as you'd expect, i literally enslaved my own friends just to make the progress faster and better and it definitely took a toll, the A1 worker is like a reminder to myself "I just want the work conditions to improve" but sadly this issue is very universal even in most recent Hollywood productions, Japan is just one of the worst places being highlighted by the media, anyway this is an amazing educational video and i hope it reaches a lot of people, thanks Browntable.
Edited note : i think this is also crucial but i'm also the lead animator of my own short film so i'm speedrunning 90% of the animation
I've been recommended so much and that small zom 100 mention immediately made me want to watch it aaaand its on Netflix so thank you for that.
Yo I love you and your editor, top tier content quality and comedy 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
5:15 since you addressed it immediately I’ll let you slide this time around😂
This is a great video on a topic that cannot be talked about enough. I love that your editor is popping in to provide accurate info on the industry, and where people can learn more and help out. Any video outside of anitube mentioning figures like KViN and sites like Sakugablog are a W in my book.
There are a few things that I feel like could’ve been talked about with more consideration, especially since this video is probably going to introduce some people to a lot of important info.
TLDR
1) Production committees, though mitigating risk, is a flawed system and Chainsaw Man's production issues are more a management problem seen in all of their productions than an issue with their self funding decision.
2) Would've like to see more discussion on the specific teams/production lines behind MAPPA productions to help give more context on who is getting overworked and how.
3) Would've like to see shout outs to staff you guys enjoy from these productions to better encourage people to do the same.
1) 22:38 Even if it was risky, it isn’t inherently bad to forgo a production committee for an anime. Plenty of anime productions don’t have the studios on the production committee, leading to the studios getting less control of the production and less profit from royalties, instead only getting the production costs. Those production costs are low since there is a cap on how much production committees can provide for an anime production, meaning that if the studio isn’t on the committee, they get paid like shit. Ufotable is on the production committees for their shows, KyoAni is heavily involved in the committees for their projects. The added risk and higher production values lead to them just producing less shows than other studios, but they are amazing and make money. There’s more risk, or reward, and more control the more a studio funds their project, often meaning we get the best work from animators, and in cases like MADHOUSE and BONE’s passion projects, better schedules than usual.
It would’ve been better for MAPPA to give Chainsaw Man a better schedule to actually complete it while not overworking animators and staff, but that is a problem with management overall instead of an issue with their full funding decision. The show wasn’t even a failure, it made back its budget, particularly with help from its streaming distribution pay, but it was just disappointing compared to how much they anticipated, especially compared to JJK, which was a blowout megahit.
There is a pretty good video by HitReg currently called “This Anime exposed a $28,000,000,000 Slave Operation” (It was named something else before) about this topic, and even the Animator Dormitory Project RUclips channel made a short video discussing the issue with production committees. The system is good for diminishing risk, but it is far from perfect, and any step for a studio to be a part of this funding process is a step forward.
2) Maybe it would’ve been outside the scope of this video, but it would’ve been nice to teach people about the different production teams at MAPPA. I am not the most read up on this myself, but I am aware of the two most well known production teams, the team led by Yuichiro Hayashi, the director behind Garo the Vanishing Line, Kakegurui, Dorohedoro, and AOT: The Final Season, and the team centered around animation producer Keisuke Seshimo, who has this role for JJK and CSM. There is some overlap, but understanding these production lines can give further context as to how animators are being overworked and the ridiculous standards to which Otsuka and MAPPA higher ups are holding them to. Saying “MAPPA animators” is so much better than just crediting the company, but there are certain teams working for certain productions that should be given credit when they can. It's already terrible knowing that the JJK anime was allegedly only in production for 4 months, but it is equally as terrible knowing that it is the same production line working on CSM with only around a year of production time around the same time, and having only around 7 months of lead time to work on JJK. It's terrible knowing that AOT staff were rawdogged by the production committee insisting that the series was released alongside the manga finale, but it is also sad that it's the reason that Dorohedoro has no known date of release, since Hayashi and his team can’t work on it because of the sudden priority of AOT.
There are some people who want these production lines to be combined, but another solution could be, like with every other problem in the industry, is to give better schedules and pay animators. Maybe make less anime while you’re at it too?
3) Would’ve in general love to see you shout out directors and staff of the shows you enjoy and thank them while encouraging people to do the same. Happy you provided credits to the cuts you show in the video which is really cool.
Thank you series director Shoto “Gosso” Goshozono for JJK S2.
Thank you Souta Yamazaki and Sayaka Koiso for making corrections when you can that make these characters look the best they’ve ever looked.
Thank you episode directors Itsuki “Miso” Tsuchigami, Atsushi Nakagawa, and Kazuto Arai/ Sunakohara for making the best episodes of the year.
And f**k you Manabu Otsuka.
i’m interested in this now
Thank you guys so much for this video! JJK helped me through a terrible time so its heart rending to hear how bad it actually is at Mappa. I appreciate the resources to be able to help and the fact that people inside the industry itself are being fed up. Solidarity forever. Thank you again
kinda reminds me when odin exploited the dwarvs for their craft, so much so that the dwarves lost their passion for the craft, horrible to see
I love anime but am saddened how fhe animators are treated and could be replaced with AI, it worries me where that could us.
Why is the editor character so kawai wtf I love it so much 🥹
And for some reason I'm kind of digging the interruptions by the lady animation in the video. It's kind of funny 🤣😂😂
Thank you!
(2:52) I appreciate that sentiment so much! :)
ice ado rip 😢 we were so robbed
good vid!!!
This is not just a problem with the anime industry, it's a problem with the animation industry worldwide, as well as the gaming industry and SFX industry. Japan's work culture makes these problems even worse, but these problems and others unfortunately happen everywhere. Until these industries get unionized, this won't change. Hopefully it will happen soon, but as far as I'm aware, there aren't any major moves being made toward that
Something I’ve also seen that’s absolutely crazy (and maybe this has happened in the past but idk) is that you have OP animations that aren’t even finished by the episode air date. Zom 100 is the obvious example but I noticed when watching Tokyo Revengers S3 (being one of the few people sticking with it lmao) the OP animation has slight changes every episode in the first few episodes. It’s just a shame that so much stuff is being pumped out so quickly that stuff will air unfinished
Hey I thought I’d comment just to clarify 3:09 sakkan is simply animation director no CAD , sou sakkan is CAD i had to clarify as a CAD/sou sakkan is a different role from a regular sakuga kantoku and is generally done by the strongest artist in the team!
I learnt about this right after editing it how did I even miss it 😭😭😭
I was about to comment that he was wrong about the ADs role. The editor stepped in.
Thank you Miss Editor!
Ps thanks for plugging Sakugablog lord know anime fans need to educate themselves.
The entertainment industry in Japan in general seems like a very parasitic place
Manga authors are worked to the bone and end up with health issues, or even worse, they end up dead
Now anime has the same problem where animators are not only overworked but they barely make a living out of it
Some shows in Japan treat guests as less than human, the most prominent case being the man who was stuck in a room for a year named Nasubi
Its a very harrowing state
A very necessary video
I’m ok with them taking on less projects and for a jujutsu kaisen episode every month at this quality. But its not just that its the pay and the amount of hours while keeping up their company.
Bro, i think the government should limit studios project, maybe for 1 studio limited to 2 projects a year?
That would definitely kill anime studios and animators(differently).
How do you have toilet paper on your work desk but not paper to write on? Kinda sus
And even still you know the big companies won’t care until something big happens.
Also right in the middle of this video I got a crunchyroll jjk ad and if that isn’t ironic idk what is
I made a video on this problem when it came to Zom 100 but your video is such more detailed and smarter about it, animators are getting the shaft... no pun intended
Still waiting on that Hulk Vs Video 👀👀
great video
Thanks!
As sad as this is, I love your vids about entertainment itself. Like analyzing hype with the mcu, anime, etc...
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Just my rough calculation but by the looks of it is the same as work in 12-14 hour per day.
So yeah as someone who study and like animation that like you wake up in morning and back in late night just to work alone.
7:07 I agree with your general point that anime fans get unreasonably upset about particular aspects of an anime's animation that they dislike, but I've seen that video that you brought up as an example of this and I disagree. That video is a genuine, well-put together critique of the One Piece anime overall as an adaptation of the manga in contrast to the quality of the anime adaptation of The Land of the Lustrous. It wasn’t unreasonably criticizing a few shots for not being perfect or something. I just wanted to bring that up, but this was a great video overall!
What really gets my blood boiling is people saying that Season 2's animation is worse and that this season is a filler season (as in MAPPA didn't invest a lot into it and the animation suffered, which it didn't)
Because the animation is fucking stellar and an improvement from Season 1, maybe some mean the art style, but even then. The animation greatly improved and that's because of the animators and directors, it's way more dynamic and fluid. It's genuinely the most amazing work, even with the shit working conditions, these animators really deserve all praise and compensation for Jujutsu Kaisen Season 2.
Very well made video over this issue compared to other videos where their research is surface level at best. However, there are a couple things I would like to clear up.
First and foremost, I wouldn't say the 100% funding of Chainsaw Man was a bad idea because it still earned a lot of money through streaming deals even if blu ray sales weren't the best. Also, more studios should fund more of their projects or not have a committee due to how shitty the production committee system is at causing studios to earn barely any money from their projects and then cause them to almost go bankrupt. Following this, it's probably the reason why Ice Adolescence movie haven't released yet as MAPPA was at the bottom of the committee of a large committee of 10 companies if I remember correctly meaning that they earned barely any profits off of doing so. The movie seems to be in a production limbo with Manabu probably focusing their teams on different projects that they would earn more which I can't exactly blame him for because they would earn drops of what that movie made.
Second point is however that the fact that MAPPA isn't as doom and gloom as you're making it in your video. MAPPA isn't one giant team working on multiple projects simultaneously and has multiple teams with an anime producer overlooking each project at MAPPA and having their own separate team. And MAPPA has a whopping 8 anime producers with each of them being talented but the two most talented would be Masato Matsunaga and Keisuke Seshimo. Following this, this means that issues in one production line wouldn't really affect the others to a major extent for the most part. Most of the lines at MAPPA are actually really stable with some heathly schedule projects recently (2022- 2023). Anime producer Matsunaga is probably working on Lazarus which has a very healthy schedule with production starting in 2019 for a show airing in late 2024 which is to be expected of a show directed by Shinichiro Watanabe. Ogawa line is also stable but their projects are mainly low priority projects that have good schedule allowing them to create good looking shows like Tondemo Skill with little stress. Hayashi team that works on AOT got a "decent" schedule for the last two episodes partly in due to Hayashi managing to get a delay from the production committee. Taking lots of projects won't mean more stressful productions if there's an anime producer available and the schedule assigned is actually good which it usually is for non Seshimo projects. The only exception is for projects that have the same anime producer which is what happened with Hell's Paradise under Kawagoe line and JJK and CSM under Seshimo. For Hell's Paradise, Kawagoe prioritized talent on AOT over HP resulting in HP looking mediocre along with it's bad schedule while AOT got good treatment along with its decent schedule. With AOT over, this'll mean that HP team will get some more help from the AOT staff but schedule is still in the air. However, Seshimo line is the only real problem at MAPPA that consistently gets into mediocre to terrible/hell productions due to the fact that they have to juggle JJK and CSM with both of them cutting each other's schedule. That can only really be solved when there's another amazing producer like Seshimo is available to replace him which so far looks to be Matsunaga once he finishes Lazarus because currently right now Seshimo is probably the best anime producer only rivaled by Fukushi at Madhouse that can gather talented freelancers in the anime industry.
On to my next point, MAPPA is a very large studio of over 400 inhouse staff members not including the large amount of freelancers on their projects which every studio uses. Kyoani and Ufotable mainly only uses their inhouse staff to make projects with Kyoani being 99% in house and Ufotable mostly inhouse. This results in them making about 1-2 projects a year with their heathly schedules. MAPPA releases more due to the amount of teams and the staff they have and also due to their large talented inhouse staff. All in all, they can support this amount of large projects as long as it's not a highly ambitious show like JJK and CSM that needs a lot of talent and not kill their animators in the process.
Overall very good video, I just wanted to mention how not all of MAPPA is hell right now and that there is a little hope for the employees if they can somehow fix the issues at Seshimo line which probably won't happen considering they are their powerhouse team. Hopefully in the future MAPPA along with other studios can overall improve their conditions.
Casual reminder that for the past couple shows (Dragon Maid S2 being the first), Kyoto Animation have been sitting on finished shows for several months before they air. And with the upcoming Hibike Euphonium S3, the voice actors have been dubbing over the _completely finished show_ (2 years after writing was finished). They've brought their editing and sound production in-house, and had their own in-studio mental health confidant since last year (going by credits)
KyoAni is built different fr, incredible how they bounced back after the fire
This reminds me of an RDC World 1 skit about animation in Japan. And it’s kinda sad how true it is.
the blue ray edition of the mahoraga vs sukuna fight sealed it for me. that was one of the best fights in anime and that was not their final goal instead they released it before they could realize their goal and had to do it on blue ray
I"ve never delved into traditional animation before, but I've done a lot of stop motion so I know how hard animating is. The fact that these guys are creating animation that looks this insane in such little time without proper compensation is absolutely inhumane.
In a recent interview with Nishii Terumi (animation director for JJK0 and JJBA), there's also a problem of not enough training and mentorship for young animators due to the industry prioritizing quicker production so that they can churn out more contents and gain quicker profits. This prioritization on profit hits inbetweening the most. Companies starts paying less to inbetweener (which of course causes in less applicants), outsourcing it to cheaper overseas vendors (making it harder to supervise and check ups), or not hiring inbetweener altogether, instead choosing to use inbetweening software and AI as shortcuts.
Yeah, inbetweening is labour intensive, felt insignificant, and a huge time sink. But it's an integral part of learning animation and developing the sense to become better animator. Because of this now you have a lot of young animators or even directors that aren't actually qualified yet to be at that level but has to be one because there's a target sales to be achieved and commities to be pleased.
Basically, veteran animators are getting old (and dying), and they're unable to properly train the fresh blood because of the changes in pipeline and reliance on shortcuts from how the industry has become.
Finally 1 A video that mentioned "The anime dormitory channel." Other videos just talk about mappa, hop the situation gets better and that's it. Strive to support the dormitory they are really pushing for improvement for the industry.
I think what needs to happen is have multiple studios working on animation, or release drafts out to the public and have upcoming animators work on it.
1:14 wait what?! 💀I’m gonna go check that
This reminds me of teaching
I was hoping for that Darth Vader intro