Why should British taxpayers pay for past injustices? These injustices were committed by a few thousand of the wealthiest individuals at the time, namely the elite landowners. Have their descendants pay up.
Your best mates, the Royal family were one of the biggest beneficiaries of the slave trade, get them scroungers to pay! I would whole heartedly support that.
The wealthy you mention include Banks (loans to buy slaves), Insurance Comps. (covering the loss of ships and "cargo"), The Royal Family (QE1 made money from her Pritvateers).
Slavery existed in Africa for years before Europeans arrived. The descendants of the people who captured and sold their fellow Africans should be held responsible for any reparations. Perhaps we should seek reparations from the Barbary Pirates for the over one million white slaves who were taken to the slave markets of N Africa and the Ottoman Empire.
Comparing the slave trade to the holocaust is ridiculous. The holocaust was genocide and was perceived an immoral practice. In the 18th century slavery wasn’t perceived immoral. It was practiced by nearly every country. Her argument is therefore anachronistic. Africa also participated in the slave trade so should they pay as well? I do agree that Britain could contribute in building infrastructure such as hospitals in the Caribbean, but only if Africa does it also.
@@colinblack3288 Did you know that the Mauis were thought to be responsible for a genocide of an islander nation long ago? How about all the Black rulers that actively hunted the weaker black neighbouring countries and sold its people into slavery to the Arabs long before we came along? On that note do you know why Arab countries don't have a high black population? Because that either castrated or killed slaves they didn't need any longer. The history of the world is full of wrongdoings and violence, how about we focus on the current ills plaguing humanity rather than using historic slavery as a cudgel to beat western nations over the head with to extract free money from them. On that note, where's that thank you from the rest of the world to Britain for stopping the trans Atlantic slave trade? How about some f"#@ng gratitude.
"Slavery in northern Africa dates back to ancient Egypt. The New Kingdom (1558-1080 BC) brought large numbers of slaves as prisoners of war up the Nile valley and used them for domestic and supervised labour. Ptolemaic Egypt (305 BC-30 BC) used both land and sea routes to bring in slaves." are Egypt also paying reparations ?
Forgot reparations. This country still owes india £45 trillion from stealing and profiting off its resources. Can you afford that? After all it’s what was taken! Still have a lot of priceless diamonds you show off at your museums but you don’t want to hand over stolen goods! How greedy can one country be.
Like what? Other justices? 😂 The government has been failing the country and its people to bleed them dry. Any major business that are British are being sold to foreign investors and the people in need are the ones paying for it. We can work in London all our lives but we can’t live here. Those with money are buying all the properties and splitting them up at extortionate rates not to mention the stupid bedroom tax! Injustice is exactly that. If others should be held accountable for their crimes then so should the government. Theft is theft and the money owed to a country from one to another remains.
If the government ever decided to do this i would genuinely leave the country as i pay alot of a tax and with never being involved in slavery id never want to be paying those who never suffered slavery
These countries are double dipping. I know fir a fact that in the Caribbean, former plantation lands were divided up and distributed to the population on independence. This smacks of a begging bowl.
I haven’t had a penny from Germany yet but my family are Jewish they had to run to survive leaving some family and possessions behind is that because I am English so I don’t count
I can understand why the African people of the Caribbean today could be upset. They are not and never will be indigenous to those islands. So the fair thing would be to facilitate their return to Africa.
Slavery to the black population was absolutely terrible, which was done mainly by the white population and the tribal chiefs selling their braves in mass to the white slave traders. BUT, what about the white slave trade, so do I get reparations for my family’s slavery and suffering? Slavery comes in many forms, i.e. forced to work hard labour all your life, in terrible conditions, with mass starvation and early death the only way out for millions. This happened throughout the world, especially during and before the queen victoria era in Britain. As an example, children worked in the coal mines from 8yrs old, but many would be young as five. These men and children, worked between 12 to 16 hours a day, with many having very short lives due to the coal dust and machine accidents, this was the same for the cotton mills and other industries. My own relatives, died in work houses, or simply starved to death if they couldn’t find work and some were even press-ganged off the streets, to be forced to sail ships, often dying of scurvy and malnutrition. Many were also forced to fight as soldiers in wars for the establishment, all over the world, or be shot for cowardice. So isn’t all this also slavery, slavery to a system, wherever it is done in the world!
The Ottomans enslaved the Balkans, the Aztecs enslaved Yucatan peninsula, the Arabs enslaved Africa, the Mongols and Mughal empires enslaved Asia, Japan enslaved the Koreans, Chinese, Burmese, Thai, Philippines etc, everywhere had slavery.
Jewish comparison isn't valid, one is living history the other is dead history. Once the history is dead you can't just keep attaching yourself and reliving the grief of people you never knew or you'll never move on.
Is this the British version of the Treaty of Versailles? When Germany was forced into making reparations it couldn't possibly afford? The rest is history ................
No. How far back would you then take it. Would you ask italy for repsrations for the roman empire,.norway for the vikings,germany for more reparations.asking people to apologise for something other long dead people done in the past is wrong.
We paid £20m back in the day which was equivalent to 40% of GDP to end slavery, and we engaged in combat with those who refused to end it. Also more of a trivial point but people of Caribbean / African descent in the UK should not receive anything - if they were in their countries of original ethnic origin they would have much lower living standards now.
Considering we were invaded by William the Conqueror, can we just pass the tab on to France? Joking aside, this talk of reparations does about as much damage to race relations as the likes of Nigel Farage and Tommy Ten Names. Why can't we all just be nice to each other?
Lin killed this debate!!! If you’re seeing this I’m proud of you. I actually think your position is a bit soft and our ppl deserve way more than tax breaks, but with that being said I think you’re on the right path!
Can we NOT have a list of the families and entities that were paid by the tax payers for loosing their slaves....??? If Jews sent you the reparation bill, it would have already been paid by now....
Germany was due to stop paying reparations in Dec this year as most of the survivors have now been given the one time payment or have died but has agreed to carry on until 2027. Don’t know where she got the decades to come from
Yes put an end to the issue. Give the all the money in the world and they will still want more. The is pure embezzlement by people who have no realistic claims
Didn’t the UK recently finish paying reparations to the slave owners and their descendants? If you can pay the slave owners, I would think the people who descended from the slaves should get something. 🤷🏽♀
Well no, you should only get reparations if something has happened to you in living memory(otherwise it just gets ridiculous). Also bear in mind, that releasing the slaves back 200 years(as well as carrying out anti-slavery initiatives) is a form of reparations.
@@GleamyGleamyGlamGlam umm no…. It was a bank loan that was finally paid back in 2015, the slave owners were paid a lump sum at the time of abolition and the slaves got their freedom.
Yes but not from all UK tax payers. These need to come from slave traders and their ancestors who now pay no tax for their inheritance as part of estate funds etc. UK now has a lot of immigrants who are paying regular taxes, it's not fair for them to contribute more tax to pay for this.
On the basis that every other beggar from around the world is ahead of indigenous British people in the eyes of the government, then yeah, pay them all off. Infact, take it out of everyone's wages to pay someone on the other side of the world they've never met.
If reparations are payed & all is settled then all people of Afro descent will be obliged to return to the land of their origins... ...also other countries who participated in the slave trade will need to be included...not just the UK...; Spain, Portugal, Holland, various African & Arabic nations... ...And those in the 'new world'...
I’m half Irish, the U.K. government left my ancestors to die in the famine/genocide. Do I get reparations too? The Irish that did come here were also treated terribly too.
But taking to the next level there were Irish regiments during the British Empire and conscription wasn't really an official thing - so maybe we should be asking the Republic of Ireland to cough up to.
In an ideal world it would be nice but practically even if there was the money (and you know it would be poorer taxpayers being the most greatly affected) not on your life. It would set back race relations decades and in a damn dangerous way. As much as she stated about the Jews getting compensation after world war 2, we also have the example of France demanding reparations from Germany after WW1. The blow back once the German economy tanked is a factor on why a certain Austrian got where he did. We had riots in this country during the summer, where racism was a factor so how do you think it is going to go if people get it into their heads that as their public services are run down even more, coincidently the black family down the street and every black family got a pay out for something that happened hundreds of years ago.
@jujutrini8412 firstly it's been 200 years how do you know their descendents are still rich toffs and secondly how do you know that all of them together have a spare 290 billion?? Even if they do what happens of they all go off to live abroad and renounce UK citizenship? Are they going to pay if they all become citizens of say Qatar?
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Why should British taxpayers pay for past injustices? These injustices were committed by a few thousand of the wealthiest individuals at the time, namely the elite landowners. Have their descendants pay up.
Are you still not benefiting from slavery?
I'm assuming you only read the first line of my comment; otherwise, you wouldn't have asked that question.
It’s already a phenomenon that exists. They paid the slave owners. Were you stating this when we were paying them?
Your best mates, the Royal family were one of the biggest beneficiaries of the slave trade, get them scroungers to pay! I would whole heartedly support that.
The wealthy you mention include Banks (loans to buy slaves), Insurance Comps. (covering the loss of ships and "cargo"), The Royal Family (QE1 made money from her Pritvateers).
Slavery existed in Africa for years before Europeans arrived. The descendants of the people who captured and sold their fellow Africans should be held responsible for any reparations. Perhaps we should seek reparations from the Barbary Pirates for the over one million white slaves who were taken to the slave markets of N Africa and the Ottoman Empire.
No
You are still benefiting from slavery
The more this is pushed the more racism evolves
Nonsense. Racism was thriving quite nicely in this country when reparations was barely ever discussed at all.
Comparing the slave trade to the holocaust is ridiculous. The holocaust was genocide and was perceived an immoral practice. In the 18th century slavery wasn’t perceived immoral. It was practiced by nearly every country. Her argument is therefore anachronistic.
Africa also participated in the slave trade so should they pay as well?
I do agree that Britain could contribute in building infrastructure such as hospitals in the Caribbean, but only if Africa does it also.
Absolutely not
If this happens there could be a very ugly civil uprising.
Labour is already struggling to get public approval for their current policies.
This is probably why Kier said no, he know he will be finished and he is not at all popular!!!
If that’s the price so be it ..stop ignoring your ancestors wrong doings
@@colinblack3288 Did you know that the Mauis were thought to be responsible for a genocide of an islander nation long ago? How about all the Black rulers that actively hunted the weaker black neighbouring countries and sold its people into slavery to the Arabs long before we came along? On that note do you know why Arab countries don't have a high black population? Because that either castrated or killed slaves they didn't need any longer.
The history of the world is full of wrongdoings and violence, how about we focus on the current ills plaguing humanity rather than using historic slavery as a cudgel to beat western nations over the head with to extract free money from them.
On that note, where's that thank you from the rest of the world to Britain for stopping the trans Atlantic slave trade? How about some f"#@ng gratitude.
"Slavery in northern Africa dates back to ancient Egypt. The New Kingdom (1558-1080 BC) brought large numbers of slaves as prisoners of war up the Nile valley and used them for domestic and supervised labour. Ptolemaic Egypt (305 BC-30 BC) used both land and sea routes to bring in slaves." are Egypt also paying reparations ?
Forgot reparations. This country still owes india £45 trillion from stealing and profiting off its resources. Can you afford that?
After all it’s what was taken!
Still have a lot of priceless diamonds you show off at your museums but you don’t want to hand over stolen goods! How greedy can one country be.
NO NOT AT ALL....!!! There are much BIGGER Things this Government should to worry about..!!!
Like what? Other justices? 😂
The government has been failing the country and its people to bleed them dry.
Any major business that are British are being sold to foreign investors and the people in need are the ones paying for it.
We can work in London all our lives but we can’t live here. Those with money are buying all the properties and splitting them up at extortionate rates not to mention the stupid bedroom tax!
Injustice is exactly that. If others should be held accountable for their crimes then so should the government. Theft is theft and the money owed to a country from one to another remains.
If the government ever decided to do this i would genuinely leave the country as i pay alot of a tax and with never being involved in slavery id never want to be paying those who never suffered slavery
Your taxes pay back debt that you never personally accrued so maybe you should leave
You paid the slave owners yet you’re still here. Interesting
You have benefited from slavery
These countries are double dipping. I know fir a fact that in the Caribbean, former plantation lands were divided up and distributed to the population on independence. This smacks of a begging bowl.
How much money have these countries recieved in overseas aid over the last fifty years?
India for example was owed £45 trillion. That debt in aid is still nowhere near what is owed! Let it sink in.
And, when the uk left, they left harbours, quaysides warehouses, dry docks, roads, canals, schools.
How much do the Roman's owe us - and consider the interest!!??
BTW: Its the Brits who stopped slavery - at great expense to itself!
How much should Egypt, Greece, Persia and Italy etc. pay and to whom?
Absolutely NO reparations
No that would be STUPID, why should we pay for failures of the past
It’s called justice.
You have no problem digging up old crimes for justice.
Because you benefit from it
Pay them nothing 🤬
230 years ago we abolished it, do we go after norway and sweden for the viking raids and the Danegeld we paid, utter nonsense as usual
Nothing to do with me , i was not even born .
I haven’t had a penny from Germany yet but my family are Jewish they had to run to survive leaving some family and possessions behind is that because I am English so I don’t count
I doubt you haven’t been compensated because you are English.
I can understand why the African people of the Caribbean today could be upset. They are not and never will be indigenous to those islands. So the fair thing would be to facilitate their return to Africa.
Only if hell freeze over...
Bringing up the issue of reparations to the Jewish community is a false equivalence.
The UK was close to bankruptcy when we ended slavery
The world is obsessed with race why i dont understand
Distraction maybe
Let them claim of the people who sold them into slavery in the first place!
Slavery to the black population was absolutely terrible, which was done mainly by the white population and the tribal chiefs selling their braves in mass to the white slave traders. BUT, what about the white slave trade, so do I get reparations for my family’s slavery and suffering? Slavery comes in many forms, i.e. forced to work hard labour all your life, in terrible conditions, with mass starvation and early death the only way out for millions. This happened throughout the world, especially during and before the queen victoria era in Britain. As an example, children worked in the coal mines from 8yrs old, but many would be young as five. These men and children, worked between 12 to 16 hours a day, with many having very short lives due to the coal dust and machine accidents, this was the same for the cotton mills and other industries. My own relatives, died in work houses, or simply starved to death if they couldn’t find work and some were even press-ganged off the streets, to be forced to sail ships, often dying of scurvy and malnutrition. Many were also forced to fight as soldiers in wars for the establishment, all over the world, or be shot for cowardice. So isn’t all this also slavery, slavery to a system, wherever it is done in the world!
Oh and it didn't happen a thousand years in Arabia taken advantage of subharahn Africa...what about the castration of Africans
The Ottomans enslaved the Balkans, the Aztecs enslaved Yucatan peninsula, the Arabs enslaved Africa, the Mongols and Mughal empires enslaved Asia, Japan enslaved the Koreans, Chinese, Burmese, Thai, Philippines etc, everywhere had slavery.
Jewish comparison isn't valid, one is living history the other is dead history. Once the history is dead you can't just keep attaching yourself and reliving the grief of people you never knew or you'll never move on.
Join the queue. At present illegal migrants come first
Is this the British version of the Treaty of Versailles? When Germany was forced into making reparations it couldn't possibly afford? The rest is history ................
No. How far back would you then take it. Would you ask italy for repsrations for the roman empire,.norway for the vikings,germany for more reparations.asking people to apologise for something other long dead people done in the past is wrong.
We paid £20m back in the day which was equivalent to 40% of GDP to end slavery, and we engaged in combat with those who refused to end it. Also more of a trivial point but people of Caribbean / African descent in the UK should not receive anything - if they were in their countries of original ethnic origin they would have much lower living standards now.
Considering we were invaded by William the Conqueror, can we just pass the tab on to France? Joking aside, this talk of reparations does about as much damage to race relations as the likes of Nigel Farage and Tommy Ten Names. Why can't we all just be nice to each other?
Lin killed this debate!!! If you’re seeing this I’m proud of you. I actually think your position is a bit soft and our ppl deserve way more than tax breaks, but with that being said I think you’re on the right path!
We paid compensation as it was easier to do and avoided losing lives when going to war with slave ships at sea .. context ladies 😂
who sold them ?
NO simple as that.
No, or else I want reparation from the Romans and Vikings
Can we NOT have a list of the families and entities that were paid by the tax payers for loosing their slaves....???
If Jews sent you the reparation bill, it would have already been paid by now....
Yes give it then charge them for the land we’ve given them at twice what they want
How about starting with modern day slavery ?
Germany was due to stop paying reparations in Dec this year as most of the survivors have now been given the one time payment or have died but has agreed to carry on until 2027. Don’t know where she got the decades to come from
Of course!!!
Yes put an end to the issue. Give the all the money in the world and they will still want more. The is pure embezzlement by people who have no realistic claims
Didn’t the UK recently finish paying reparations to the slave owners and their descendants? If you can pay the slave owners, I would think the people who descended from the slaves should get something. 🤷🏽♀
Well no, you should only get reparations if something has happened to you in living memory(otherwise it just gets ridiculous). Also bear in mind, that releasing the slaves back 200 years(as well as carrying out anti-slavery initiatives) is a form of reparations.
@@JohnSmith-iu3ui Your argument falls apart since they paid reparations to the owners and the descendants. 🤷🏽♀
@@GleamyGleamyGlamGlam umm no…. It was a bank loan that was finally paid back in 2015, the slave owners were paid a lump sum at the time of abolition and the slaves got their freedom.
@@englishrose7342You are correct. They did pay a lump sum. My apologies. 😊
Yes but not from all UK tax payers. These need to come from slave traders and their ancestors who now pay no tax for their inheritance as part of estate funds etc. UK now has a lot of immigrants who are paying regular taxes, it's not fair for them to contribute more tax to pay for this.
You didn't have to buy slaves---you could have bought a goat instead....
Remigration
“I’m a victim, give me money because i’m black, waaaaaah”
On the basis that every other beggar from around the world is ahead of indigenous British people in the eyes of the government, then yeah, pay them all off. Infact, take it out of everyone's wages to pay someone on the other side of the world they've never met.
Meanwhile Israel
How dare this grifter compare the holocaust to the slave trade!
The victim culture by these grifters is pathetic
By just slavery? They still owe india about £45 trillion.
Not so 3rd world as you would like to believe when considering the damages now is it.
Lin mei please shut up 😂
This better be a joke ...
It was a long time ago...isn't the king getting paid from something that happernd in the medevil times
Universal basic income for all
If reparations are payed & all is settled then all people of Afro descent will be obliged to return to the land of their origins... ...also other countries who participated in the slave trade will need to be included...not just the UK...; Spain, Portugal, Holland, various African & Arabic nations... ...And those in the 'new world'...
I’m half Irish, the U.K. government left my ancestors to die in the famine/genocide. Do I get reparations too?
The Irish that did come here were also treated terribly too.
But taking to the next level there were Irish regiments during the British Empire and conscription wasn't really an official thing - so maybe we should be asking the Republic of Ireland to cough up to.
Good point.
And why should the British public have to pay for your countries past misery?
$REPARATIONS$
Vanessa feltz shilling away 😂
Absolutely outrageous situation
💯 there still making money of the back of slavery .and stop the excuses
I wouldn’t want slave owners money
In an ideal world it would be nice but practically even if there was the money (and you know it would be poorer taxpayers being the most greatly affected) not on your life. It would set back race relations decades and in a damn dangerous way. As much as she stated about the Jews getting compensation after world war 2, we also have the example of France demanding reparations from Germany after WW1. The blow back once the German economy tanked is a factor on why a certain Austrian got where he did. We had riots in this country during the summer, where racism was a factor so how do you think it is going to go if people get it into their heads that as their public services are run down even more, coincidently the black family down the street and every black family got a pay out for something that happened hundreds of years ago.
It should be the rich toffs who got paid the compensation who pay anything anyway.
@jujutrini8412 firstly it's been 200 years how do you know their descendents are still rich toffs and secondly how do you know that all of them together have a spare 290 billion?? Even if they do what happens of they all go off to live abroad and renounce UK citizenship? Are they going to pay if they all become citizens of say Qatar?
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