If I had 1 bullet to shoot instead of the 6.5CM would be the .270 for sure! The .270 is a great round100% but the most important thing is to have a gun that you’re comfortable with and accurate! All of them will work!!!
I have been using the .270 Winchester on smaller sized game and the .300 Win Mag for larger sized game for over 40 years now. They have ALWAYS worked as needed. No need for me to change things up now.
I think 30-06 is still an awesome cartridge. 30-06 can do nearly anything many more modern cartridges can. The BC and trajectory of the 30-06 leaves a bit to be desired in some situations, but it’s an all around great round that has been doing heavy lifting for a long long time.
There are a multitude of excellent cartridges from 6mm/.243 to .338/8/9mm range that have averaged to ‘exceptional’ paper ballistic numbers. The 6mm Remington was birthed before the .243 and never really took off in the same popularity; however, even in the 1950’s era of green/yellow box off the shelf core lokt ammo it has way better ballistics than the .243 or the 6CrdMr. It has a cult following and you pretty much have to reload for it, but it’s out there. I grew up on a pre-64 M70 ‘06, so I am very partial to it, the range of bullet sizes and uses for it is remarkable and yes, you can pretty much find it anywhere in the world. The Hornady 165gr SST load is hands down precise accurate and drops deer where they stand. It wouldn’t be my first choice to intentionally go after dangerous game, but if it was what I had in my hand at the moment, I know it is adequate. I was kind of surprised he didn’t include the 6.5x55 Swede, which worldwide has probably taken more game than the ‘06 or the ubiquitous .30-30. .257 Roberts, though I have no personal experience with it, is legendary on deer sized game, but good luck finding it on the shelf these days. 7x57 is also a great deer cartridge, but again, you need to reload for it to get the best performance out of it. That’s just my .02 cents worth on it.
@@teammosin9999 if all you want is deer at 100 yds, I'd favor a 30-30..... a LOT lighter to carry my model 94 trapper than a "real" hunting rifle. And if a bear charges, I'll get 3 or 4 rounds into him before he eats me!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@stinkbean1but what about 300wm, but what about 300prc. It’s always so hard to hear these debates without any tactical considerations. Why was 308 so popular for so long and still popular? Tactical considerations, same with the rise of 6.5c. 30-06 belongs in a bolt or a mounted machine gun, not in a lightweight semiautomatic.
Here in Romania there is one caliber and is iconic, the old friend 30-06. It is so versatile if you choose wisely. We have big game like large stags and big bears. Not to mention that you can borrow anytime a couple of rounds from any fellow hunter in your group. A good scope and you can hunt almost eveything. For the dense forest I trust my Winchester lever action chambered in 30-30.
30-06 can be a zippy relatively low recoil cartridge. Or it can throw a large sizzling hunk of hate downrange with a different load. There's so much ammo available, and if you reload the options are nearly endless.
I have a 356 Winchester lever for the dense timber. Hard to find the ammo. Can't beat a 30-06 with a 180 gr Nosler Partition. These two will be around long after the others have faded away.
I recently chose the 308 for my dedicated hunting rifle, and I've not had a smidgen of regret. I've got no interest in hunting past 400 yards. I can hunt any non dangerous game in north america with the 308 for less money. I appreciate you including this old beauty as I know you hunt in open country and probably almost never use it for hunting.
Mines for sale now, just to consolidate calibers, but I used it on 4 deer and an antelope hunt here in WY. Great, lightweight, handy little rifle with a 18" barrel. 400 is right at the end but still satisfactory for deer and antelope, potentially elk with the right bullet and conditions. And it's undeniable in terms of ammo availability in my area over the last few years
Hello from Canada, .308!does it all up here Elk,Moose, Deer, Bear,!Bison all for pennies for what the 6.5CM rounds cost. And 6.5 extremely uncommon to find in Canada, .308 everywhere
I did also. Have a 300 norma for. Super long range. But 308 for hunting. Main reasons. Ammo availability and can run subsonic ammo. Saves getting a 300 blackout as well. It's a good proven cartridge
I did the same this year. Savage ultralite in 308. Ammo availability and ammo prices were a huge factor for me. I own several other rifles in various cartridges but the 308 does almost everything well.
.270 and 7mm-08 are my favorites. 7-08 should hold much more shelf space than it does and it’s unfortunately the only reason I don’t currently own one. IMO 7mm-08 is the best short action non magnum for medium to large game. If only ammo manufacturers would have their marketing department read the internet. Tons and tons of people begging for more 7-08 ammunition and appropriate pricing to match with the 243/308 cartridges.
you r right! benchmark barrels did a test a few years ago and found the 7 08 gave the best bang for the buck. esp in short barrels, ie 20 inches or less. in short barrels even the magnums don't do do better.
The 7mm-08 does really do much better than .308 in hunting. Which is why it’s not that popular. It’s popular most in comp. and even then it’s really only used in silhouette.
I recently chose 270 for my wife’s new rifle. She handles the recoil very well and took her first elk this year with it. @ 170 yards, killed it clean. Very impressive results with a 150 grain partition.
Everyone has different priorties when choosing a cartridge, and so everyone will have different favorites, but I'm solid with you on the .270. I think it has the perfect sweet spot if hunting is in your list of priorities. For a fun gun instead of hunting, I'll take 6.5CR or even 5.56
@@davidjones8942 I grabbed a howa mini action in 7.62x39 for my "fun gun", 22inch barrel, howa guarantees sub-moa accuracy (With hornady black), I've got some bulk serbian brass cased stuff that was 40cent/rnd and has shot 1.5moa consistently, its ballistically similar to a 30-30, the list just goes on. 270 win is my go for deer but that little howa is great fun and great on coyotes
@Mike Rayle I was shocked how close the ballistics between 7mm mag & .270 are (139gr for the 7mm & 129gr for .270 both Barnes LRX bullets). While 7mm mag is a great round, I just can't justify the extra cost, recoil, and barrel wear for such a tiny ballistic advantage.
In 1985 I bought a .270 Win for hunting deer and elk. In the 38 years since then, I have yet to hear a compelling reason why I "need" to buy something else. The same could be said for a host of other cartridges that are based on the .30-06 or .308 case. The one new cartridge that I find interesting is the 6.8 Fury because it's the military's nod back toward battle rounds that perform pretty much like the 120 year old .270. The more we change, the more we stay the same.
I bought my model 70 Winchester in 270 in the early 1980s. It is hard to beat I had a shoulder replacement a few years ago. I still shoot my 270 without any problems. It is still fun to shoot and kills game. Without killing me.😂
@@billyboy861 I dunno who, but some survey put the 7mm rem at the top. They are all fun to play with. Many good tools will do the job in practiced hands.
.30-06. Reasons: Depending on bullet selection and how it is loaded, it will have the same trajectory as the 6.5 creedmoor. If you don't believe me, check out the 140 nosler bt for 6.5 and the 180 nosler bt for the 308 cal. Secondly, your versatility does go higher for size of game shot in the vitals. Temporary wound cavity will be bigger, regardless of bullet, for the -06 over the 6.5 cm. 3rd, from a hand loader's perspective, the -06 has more room for performance "upgrades" and response than the 6.5 cm. Looking at load data, the cm seems to us sit nicely in a max velocity and doesn't like moving too much. Barrel length seem to bee the biggest factor to dig up more performance. The 30-06 can be loaded with 180's and a 26" barrel and be going 2900 fps which is close to a mid 300 Win mag loading. The cm with a 140, 26" barrel, hottest powder will only get around 2800 fps. 4th: This is being nit picky: but bullet selection is in a broader range with the .308 cal compared to the 6.5 cal. 5th: This is anecdotal: -06 has aided in the winning of two world wars. And who doesn't want an M1 Garand?
America has most always been a .30 caliber Nation. For good reason. Variety is nice, is spice, but it can sometimes be distracting. .30-06 is a formula developed a long time ago that hit most all the right features.
I worked in an ammo loading facility as an ammo loader for a few years and we have a custom load we made up for someone for 6.5 creedmoor with a 140 grain Berger vld at 2900fps and 2613.83 ft pounds that intrigued me so I snagged a few boxes That I still have with the specs on. We pressure tested them in a test barrel and the pressures were on the real high end of max saami specs but still we’re safe and checked the primers for signs of over pressuring and we never found any signs and fired them out of multiple guns with no issues. So it’s doable to be slightly higher with a creedmoor but that’s probably the max I would ever see someone push it. I’m not positive on the powder we used for it but I wanna say possibly h4350 but the round was for a bolt action that we had the magazine specs for so we were able to load the case with close to max powder capacity and seat the projectile enough to make sure it would still feed and fire safely. But I believe sierras game changer load is 2950 fps in a 130 grain which my buddy has taken a few black bear with. I believe the rounds more versatile than people think but it’s definitely not gonna have the high energy like a win mag for big game. People still use em for coyotes, deer, black bear, occasionally I’ve seen em used on elk but that’s probably the only things I’d use one for but I typically deer hunt. Still find myself using my 270 or 30/06 for em though, only picked up a creedmoor because it’s what we loaded the most of and I got good discounts on on the ammo that was scratched and scuffed up that qc didn’t pass😂
7mm08 is my go too. Took my first Elk a month ago. Dropped inside of 30 yards. Deer fall in their tracks with a high shoulder shot. 1 MOA at 200 yards with 150gr Barnes TTSX that I reload. Been hunting 5 years ago and glad I heard about the 7mm08.
257 Roberts is another very effective and mild shooting cartridge that is often overlooked. Like the 6.5 Swede, it just gets the job done at normal hunting ranges.
Love my 25-06 and glad to see the quarter bore getting a little love; been using it for 20 years on deer and antelope, and in the last 10 have used it elk hunting, granted, I haven't shot big bulls but it drops cows dependably
I love my 25-06 as well. Over the last 14 years of hunting with it I've taken deer, coyote, and prairie dogs with it. It's an extremely versatile cartridge that packs a punch.
I went with a 6.5 Swede CZ 557...had an old M96 Carl Gustaf Mauser that shot really well with only iron sights n surplus ammo. That inspired me to try the CZ...140 gr Sierra MKs over IMR4350 got me 1/3 MOA groups at 100 yards n even better at 200. They seemed to settle down more at distance. Fantastic caliber!
I absolutely love my Gustav m96. Luvo arms in Czech Republic makes an AR platform 6.5x55. I want one sooo bad. I'd take a ljungman m42 pretty quick too. There's just something special about the round. Kinda tricky finding ammo sometimes and a little pricy for good ammo. I really like the Hornaday sst.
I have a 6.5 Swede myself, built it on a FN Mauser action, in a Walnut Thumb hole stock. barrel is a Krieger target profile with 5R rifling. also have an M38 Husqvarna, and an M94 carbine. Hard to beat a Swede.
Yep. My go to deer rifle for the past 45 years has been a 1917 Carl Gustav 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser! Got it from my dad. He restocked it with a roll-over cheekpiece Wooden Stock in the 60's. Still has an old 4x Weaver Scope. Thinking about getting me a 6.5 Creedmoor so I can replace the Mauser. If I ever need anything bigger, I figure a .338 Lapua will do the job! 😁
Everyone wants the new 'cool kids' cartridge... 6.5 is the cool number now, whether it is the C or the PRC. 7mm-08 is equivalent to the C and 270 Win in equivalent to the PRC. The older cartridges will kill anything the new ones will. It's 99% MARKETING... a pitch to make people think they need to buy new guns to replace/augment what they already have. lol
When I look at the ballistics of 6.5 Creedmoor and of the 6,5x55 Swedish the ballistics are similar and the 6.5x55 Swedish originated in the 1890s. In the Scandanavian countries the 6.5x55 is commonly used on European moose.
Yep. Karamojo Bell used the 7X57 Mauser to kill elephants. He would shoot one and when it went down he would run and jump up on it to gain higher ground to shoot another one. He killed way more elephants than one man should ever be aloud to.
@@life_of_riley88 I'm working on some 6.5x55 brass with this video in the background. The creedmoor might be good but it is so in vogue to have one that there's no way I would.
@@pigtailbbq1982 You sound a lot like me. My wife always says: "You just can't have something that everyone else has, can you? It's always gotta be unique!" She's right, and I could probably not own a 6.5 creedmoor unless it falls outta favor.
I went with 7mm08 years ago when I was actually looking for a 270. Never regretted my choice. Recoil is very acceptable and game wise very versatile. I don't have the budget to have a gun safe the size of most bedrooms, let alone the number of guns to fill it.
I was feeling the need for the creed. But after listening to you I’m happy. I think I have the best of both worlds. I own a .243 and .270, so I’m good to go!
@@bertbirge3617 Depends on the use. If you want to shoot up to 1,000 yards, sure, go with the Creedmoor. But the .270 outperforms the 6.5 at hunting ranges (and the .308 and many others, as well).
That's what I use for whitetail. 130 gr Swift Scirocco II at 2,860 fps muzzle in a shorter-weight Savage M11 rifle & Leupold VX5-HD 3-15x scope with a CDS turret for that load. Sweet. Just a fantastic whitetail cartridge. Grim death on varmints as well. Bad news in NY, however. We cannot buy "mail order" ammo any longer. So the .260 Rem is dead unless you are a reloader (happily, I am).
I know it sounds like cap cause I’m saying it on the internet but I got an elk at 500 yards with the cartridge it went through the shoulder and didn’t make it through the other side of the rib cage but certainly did the job
I believe the 7mm08 Is one of the most overlooked cartridges. Available. All around. You can get 100gr up to 190gr Therefore you can cover a wide variety of game From coyotes all the way to elk I would even say moose. Don't get me wrong I love my 25-06 and 270 Just my opinion take it for what it is. Enjoy your content keep up the good work
Big fan of both the 7mm-08 and 270 win. They both work really well for whitetail hunting. I took my first deer with a 270 so it holds some sentimental value. I've been using the 7mm-08 more lately and it just flat out performs really well.
Yup I’ve been loading 7 mm 08 a while very effective even the 110 for yotes out the vls wind and drop is manageable and 120/130 s for whitetail 43.0 varget one hole it’s only 125 fps behind the .270 my first elk was w a 140 in .270 but at 64 I like the 7 mm08 very efficient and effective drops deer like now drt
If you like both of those chamberings, you should also like the .284 Winchester cartridge which has ballistics like the .270 Winchester in a short action like the 7mm-08 Remington !! !!
Started with the 25-06 in the Iate 80's. FortunateIy I was introduced to this cartridge by an avid reloader. One sweet shooting round that few are familiar with and fewer have actually used. It brings down deer effortIessIy, usually where they stand. ReIoads easily, minimaI recoil through average weight rifles, and it's accuracy gives away nothing to any but the most intricateIy tuned custom rifles.
Well, it looks like there is at least 13 of us 25-06 guys. 😂 I’ve been using mine since the early 90’s. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised with the numbers when compared to the 6.5 Creedmoor
I have a ruger #1 25-06 one of my favorite rifles I have made crazy shots on groundhogs and shot plenty of deer with it , it is a very accurate rifle and round .
I've been gearing up to do some reloading for my quarter 06. Been tough to find components, bullets, powder & especially of course large rifle primers. But a local store finally got some factory loaded superformance 117s in, forty bucks a box and they went fast!
@@USMC-1911I too have a Ruger No1 in 25-06. Shoots lights out and devastating on Whitetail. Hard to explain but every deer I’ve shot with my 25-06 drops where it stands
I think the .270 win fills the middle of the road niche very well. If you want something that will kill everything from pronghorn to elk it is a great option without over doing it. If you don't plan on going after elk I would use one of the 6mm-.243 options out there.
Yessir, the .270 is the only one I've considered replacing my 30-06 with when I finally shoot out the barrel, and I agree, except regarding ammo price & availability, the ol' 30-06 still rules in that dept. and makes it a tough choice between the two.
I can understand 7-08 not being as popular due to lack of commercially available ammo options, but as a hand-loader's cartridge, it's just the chef's kiss as far as it's versatility.
I’ve always been a fan of 308 only because my duty weapon was a M-21 in the Army and I’ve shot so many thousands of rounds and and very familiar with it. I’m old and don’t really know a lot about these newer cartridges. You are very informative about them all and I’m learning a lot watching your videos.
@@rodneyporter93 How many people are proactively hunting Moose and Kodiaks? I only say that because I said "most" on purpose. I'm not facing down a moose without something bringing God's wrath on earth. But that's just me. *locks and loads some .50BMG to take down a moose*
I love my 270 but think 6.5 PRC is the better option. They just don’t build many 270’s with a fast twist barrel to utilize the heavy bullets. I agree with a broke 7mag also. Muzzle brakes are the game changer. Get more thwack with less recoil. If we’re being honest they’re all splitting hairs really.
7×57 Mauser, I would put mine against any .270. Don't get me wrong I love the .270 also, I have beautifully engraved .270 with set triggers, push button drop plate magna ported you name it. But 7×57 with 139 grain Norma's I have taken the head off of Grouse at 100 yard's off hand. The Swarovski 4×12 doesn't hurt but, you get what I mean. It WAS a Mauser Action K98 framed 8mm.
My and my brother were around for the 7mm-08 craze back in the day and he got one and still has it but that being said I would say 308 to answer your question 1.) It's very cheap to shoot 2.) It's light enough recoiling that almost anyone in the family van easily handle it 3.) It's very flat shooting, ok not as flat as 6.5 Creedmoor but I just don't think $50 for 20 rds is justified for the small tradeoffs you get I had a 6.5 Creedmoor and sold it I loved it it was a beautiful ruger m77 Hawkeye I now have a 308 that I can almost shoot as cheap as 556 so hope that answers your question even know I'm very late to the party
One thing about the 708 is it's perfect for North America.. it's a rifle you can hand to anyone and send them out after deer, elk, moose. And not be afraid of the recoil hurting them. Yes it can be fun to see a grown man cry from the recoil of a 300 win. But not very nice
Our family shoots 270. I've been able to accumulate enough reloading stuff for the rest of my life. Great elk cartridge, cuz we don't shoot long distances cuz of the areas we hunt. Also a very big fan of the 243, I got 3. 243 is just fun to shoot and does a great job on antelope. I would never tell anyone else what to shoot, we all have our limes and dislikes and I hate being told what I should do, so I won't tell anyone else what to do...I just let them know I am more correct!! 😁
Few years ago, I bought my son a 6.5 Cr, and then about 2 years ago, I got a 308. We shoot the 308 hands down more. Ammo is Way more available locally, components for reloading are easy to find, and although not cheap, there is a Hige selection. You can find 18" and 20" barreled 308, where the shortest 6.5 Cr I see are 22, and a fair number of 24". If the recoil is a concern, you can still shoot 125gr SSTs, and have good bullet, good velocity, just giving up long range.
You can get the best of both by using the 7mm-08 Remington, which has better ballistics then either out to at least 500 yards while having less recoil than .308 Winchester !! !!
.308 is the better choice for most [IMO]...more availability/common ammo ,less expensive , time tested & proven results ! Like you I also own both calibers but my .308 see's FAR MORE use at the range and during hunting season than the 6.5 or my .300 blackout !
A 7mm-08 pushing the 145gr Barnes LRX bullet 2800-2850fps out of a 22” barrel… is bringin’ the smoke friends… This humdinger of a round can deliver 1500ftlbs retained energy to 425yds with 2160fps remaining velocity. It reaches 2000fps at 540yds with 1289ftlbs retained energy. It reaches 1800fps at 690yd with 1046ftlbs retained energy. The 7mm-08 in combination with the 145gr LRX is the most efficient and versatile low recoiling hunting round out there… good for deer to 600yds and moose/elk to 400yds. Ballistics calculated with applied ballistics cdm’s at 50F and 3500ft DA. Both the 6.5CM and the 308WIN can’t touch this. The nearest competition is the 270WIN with the 129gr LRX bullet at 3050fps. Which beats the 708 performance by about 5% and shoots flatter but requires 20% more propellant to do so.
I would vote for the 308 win. Lots of ammo choices, its available, and affordable as said in video. 6.5 creed is interesting to me, and has gained very fast popularity. And I see it on the shelves. It just doesn't make me want to go out and buy one, when I already have a 308 and 30-06 in my cabinet.
I have both and 6.5 Creedmoor is much better once you get out further. .308 has quite a bit of drop when you get into the 500m+. I love my SIG 716 DMR in .308 you can’t miss, but its just an expensive Vault Queen for now, just like my Daniel Defense MK18. I have a nice Savage TR10 LE in a Cadex Field Chassis in .308 that shoots nice. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor in a Magpul Chassis that shoots great. I think I might pick up a SIG Cross in 6.5 Creedmoor. It’s a nice Rifle. Then I have my accurate Sledgehammer, the Sako TRG42 in .338LM, but I’m only shooting that at 1000m+ because it’s $10/Round so that means going out on a special Trip. I have some very nice .22LR’s that are cheap to shoot and can be a blast trying to stretch them out at the Range.
Id really like to see you talk more about the 7mm08 I know there are so many new fancy calibers out there to talk about. To me the 7mm08 has gotten relegated to a youth rifle cartridge when mostly it beats the 308 in almost everything except for the heavier bullets. Again I know there are lots of new cartridges out there. When I talk about the 7mm08 to people the first thing they bring up is how does it do at 1000 yards. I just say I dont know because 1000 yards is out of the skill level of most hunters here in east TN. I really enjoy your videos and thank you for all the time you devote to the shooting sport.
I would take a 25-06 over a 6.5 any day I have killed deer over 400 yards with them and the 6,5 CM out at 250 yards and 150 yards I have had to shoot the deer 3 times with a 143 gr ELDX. Sad that they don't have a bullet that gets the job done yet, I am yet to find the right bullet for deer in the 6.5 CM . Does anyone know what bullet in the 6.5 will do a pass threw and leave a blood trail I am all ears. Thanks.
7MM-08, I use it on groundhogs and deer with a 145 gr bullet. Everyone in the family can handle it. The kids enjoy shooting it, they don't need to be shooting any thing bigger.
I am with Jesse, my favorites are 270 and 7mm08. Old fashion, but they just keep on a ticking. If I would re-barrel the 270, I would consider a bit faster twist than the std. 1 in 10. Great video! Enjoy your content.
I grew up on .270 Winchester and love the performance. Biggest thing handicapping .270 Win has always been the twist rate and 17˚30’ shoulder angle. The propellant column is unnecessarily-long as well. It would do better in a 7x57 size case with a 30˚ shoulder, and the body with less taper.
Jack liked the bullet weight options and load data for the .280 Remington better than the .270W after it had come out. He literally recommended it to those building a rifle in the 50’, 60’s and 70’s until his death in 1978. He was a gifted writer and my childhood was spent reading of his hunting adventures in Outdoor Life.
Love 270 win, and 308 win. I don’t think most people know the 308 has less recoil than the 270, which I’ve hunted with the 270 for years, and I love it first choice.
In the 1960s and '70s you could always tell who shot the .270 Win by their three eyebrows. Any brand rifle, plus a short eye relief 4x or 6x Weaver scope, and the recoil/rise of the .270 would cut an eyebrow. Therefore .270 shooters had a right, mid, and left eyebrow.
Here in New Zealand I have a .308 as a bush/medium range rifle and .280 remington as open/long range rifle. After many years of owning and using many different calibre's , hunting and shooting these are the calibre's I've settled for and suite me and my style of hunting. I also reload so I get great results from these
Same can be said for the 308. It's better than both for larger game. 6.5 creed does have slightly better trajectory but not enough to matter at hunting ranges.
Thanks as always! I think this comparison shows why the 6.5 Creedmoor is so popular. It is the benchmark to be compared to. You can do some things better, but it comes with a sacrifice for other things. I personally like to stick with the very popular and mass-produced items for the same reason southwest only flies the 737......cheaper and easer logistically.
Could even add some modern loadings for the 6.5 x 55 (Swede) to your list. They compare favourably to the .270, and loads of moose, etc (and target competitions) have been taken in Sweden, Norway, Finland and throughout Europe with it for over 100 years.
@@sauerkrautjr google is your friend. I have a 6.5x55. I run it mild, because barrel life and South Africa. But with slow propellant and 62 000psi it is magic
@@Adrian-zm2uh probably a good deal more available in South Africa than in the US. It's a pretty niche and expensive cartridge in the states, and for my needs the Creedmoor does just fine. If I need more oomph it's a lot easier for me go upgrade to .270 or .30-06 than 6.5 Swede. I'm sure it's great and I have nothing against it, but selection is really poor where I live
Doing cougar season this year with .243. I've had a heck of a time finding boxes locally. 6.5 Creedmore is everywhere. I haven't seen 6.5x55 here in a year and a half though, it's killing me.
@@Chris-ip8pz dude, I know! Finally for a shipment in at Scheels but that was quite the dry spell. As soon as I locate my range finder, I'm taking the rifle out in this -3 weather to make sure we're still zeroed. Good luck with the search!
250 and under 243 is perfect killed a hell of a lot of deer with them it’s a good starter round for kids too. Never had a deer go more than 25 yards after being shot.
Curious why you didn't mention the 260 Rem? The SOCOM people evaluated both the 260 and the 6.5 Creedmore and admitted it had slightly better performance but ended up choosing the Creed because of future bullet selections that may occur. The Creed allows seating bullets out of the powder column and the 260 will not with the longer bullets. But I, and my gunsmith, chose the 260 for it's applicability for hunting North American game (works for African light game too). The 260 case holds more powder than the 6.5 CM and for the bullet selection there is now for it, the performance on game is better. I know, the CM is the hot ticket now but the 260 has been used for years for deer, antelope, and sometimes elk and the premium bullets available from Federal, Nosler, and others will do the job on the game I plan to shoot with it. Not a boutique fan.
Now here is a subject that I have a lot of experience with. I've been hunting for almost 40 years, the calibers that I've used are 243, 25-06, 6.5 grendel, 6.5 CM, 308, 300 Hamr, and 7 RM. The most impressive cartridge I've experienced in the field on deer and hogs is the 25-06. It just kills above it's grade and I can't explain why. Even game double lung shot have never gone more than 10 feet and the majority are DRT! It performs like my 7 RM when I download it. I hunt with a guy that runs a 270 and there's just no distinguishable difference between the two. I was not impressed with the Grendel which is why I moved up to the 6.5CM and determined it was no 25-06. The downside to the 25-06 is that it requires a 24" barrel or longer. That means that the physical size of the gun is the same as just about any 7 RM. I found that my 7 downloaded is still a bit more effective than the 25-06 which is why I no longer own one. I've also discovered that the 308 with a max load 165 Speer not only has equal or better ballistics than the 6.5CM but it performs very much like the downloaded 7RM. As far as recoil, a decent muzzle makes it a non factor. I have a Harrel's turner brake on my 7 and the recoil is negligible at best. I've had 10 year olds shoot it with no problem! I always wear ear protection in the field no matter when I'm hunting with so muzzle blast is of no real consequence.
.270 Winchester really is my favorite cartridge. I like how you put the .243 for comparison on the first one, as honestly I think that is probably an extremely comparable/ alternative to the 6.5 Creedmoor.
I mean if you do the conversion from mm to inches or vice-versa they are close to the same dimensions. So yeah it is a pretty fare comparison. .243in = 6.17mm 6.5mm = .255in
Jack O’Conner I think he worked for Speer/ the bullet makers not sure I know he done studies for them with about every caliber made but anyway I have read tons of literature about him but he hade killed almost every thing on the North American continent besides like 3 animals I remember one was a Kodiak grizzly but I’m gonna have to read it again it’s in one of my old Speer reloading manuals I love the .270 I have 3 of them and the 6mm creed moor that’s all it is is a .243 But it doesn’t have no were close ballistics the only thing different in the 2 is the shoulders of the casings when I started hunting with my dad well when I got old enough to have my own rifle it was the first year that Remington released the model 7 featherlight that’s what daddy set me up with we all ready had a 700 BDL Remington with a 4-16x50 with the AO Leopold best scopes ever made my opinion and I had done shot a couple deer with the 700 and couldn’t find them the first one I shot I was around 5-7 years old had to put the rifle on shooting sticks daddy made for me and I know what I was doing now but back then I would get the hairs on it’s shoulder and pull the trigger and I was jerking it I guess bad but he gave me that model 7 and it had a 3-9 compact Leopold and the first year the bolts on the model 7s was slick wasn’t even checkered that’s how long ago it was it was a super nice first rifle for a kid back then But I didn’t want it and daddy told me that if I got any thing else that I was buying it so I got my pops to buy me I wanted a.300 Win. Mag or a .338 Win. Mag but he wouldn’t buy it for me said that I didn’t need anything that big so I got a.270 and loved it BUT same stuff after about 2-3 deer started happening and the .270 was a lot heavier than my .243 so I got to using it and done got old enough to understand take my time and squeeze the trigger like I didn’t know when it was going off and I started killing the heck out of some deer and long shots at that but for around here at home you don’t need anything bigger than a.243 I’m shooting a 90 gr. Nosler ballistic tip with 43 1/2 gr. Of 4350 IMR powder and it’s smoking fast and super flat shooting and I have even killed a 386 pound black bear with it I ha a lot newer model 7 LSS now with a 20” barrel brown lam. Stock but it’s what I grab every morning I go now and I have got a .17 fire ball up to the .457 2 Rim. Ultra mags a rifle for anything that I want to do I’m really blessed with both my hobbies hunting and fishing But I seen ya talking about 2 of my top favorite cal. Thought I would share that with ya Happy hunting
I've never had to apologize for showing up with my 300 savage. Eighty years of taking big game, this cartridge has fallen out of style but is still excellent. Still on most shelves too.
I love my Savage 99 in.300 Savage, it's really hard to find ammo now though, and I haven't taken the time to learn to reload. My Dad always did that for me, but he passed away a few years ago.
@@wayneyoung6094 I would encourage you to look for a used press, single stage. You'd be surprised how fun reloading is. The reloading community is helpful and ready to share insights. I personally help anyone who shows interest. We must keep this skill alive!
Its marginal on elk. If you have the classic BROADSIDE lung shot yeah but quartering shots where you gotta drive through tough hide, bone and muscle to get to the vitals, HAND ME A 7 MAG OR 30/ 06.
@twolak1972 you'd be fine with a copper monolithic on a quartering elk with .270..... getting around 30 + inches of penetration on ballistics gel according to some videos
@@peterhrkal8165 Go ahead Ille stick to my 7 mag and 175 nosler partitions. BEST BULLET EVER MADE. ANYONE saying they're not has never hunted with NOSLERS.
One of my hunting buddies built a 25 Creedmoor, after getting two deer with it last year, I was REALLY impressed with the accuracy and appropriate damage to the deer.
Being a Rifle Builder I love the 6mm Creed. it's a barrel burner and I sell more barrels that way. Same with the 6.5 PRC it's about the same as the 6.5-284 both with last maybe about 800 rounds before the accuracy falls off both are over bore capacity. 7mm-08 is a great all around caliber with the 7mm bullet variety available. 25-05 another great caliber and if you build one and run a faster twist barrel you can run the new 131 gr. bullets. .280 ackley is an awesome caliber, close to 7mm rem mag performance and less recoil and less report as the magnums on a 30-06 length action with the capability of running 180 gr. bullets with a 1-9 twist barrel. .270 great caliber been around forever and if you're out in BFE and need ammo someone will have a box somewhere. 6.5-55 swede probably the best 6.5 ever made, in a modern rifle it can be pushed up to 2800 FPS and beyond easily with 140s if you hand load. I can run 2868 fps in my Swede with 140 hornadys with RL-22 in a 24" barrel on a Montana 1999 action and no signs of pressure. 6mm on deer is not my favorite caliber, it's totally capable but the meat damage can be extreme unless you can get a good neck shot.
I have a soft spot for the 25/06, my first deer rifle and first deer. Wish they made more bullets for it. 30/06 with a 24" barrel and premium bullets will bring down any NA game at hunting ranges. It is plentiful, versatile and virtually everyone makes a bolt action chambered in it.
I love my Winchester Model 70 in 270. I live in a relatively wooded area and 300 yards or so range is about my shooting/hunting limit. 6.5 Creedmore is straighter but 270 Winchester is flatter and harder. I'm not worried about wind deflection at that distance and a flatter shooting cartridge is easier to tune. 270 is very versatile and comes in various weights. More than sufficient wound cavities without destroying meat and pelts. Beaver, coyote, bobcat, pigs, whitetail, and much bigger (Jack O'Conner) are all well within its capabilities. All other/newer 6.8, 270, 274 cartridges were designed as improvements of the original 270 Winchester.
I like most of the cartridges you mentioned but I think the .30-06 is still the hostess with the mostest where it comes to ammo/rifle ubiquity, range of use on game animals, and shootability. There are cartridges that will beat it in individual events, but for the best all-around hunting cartridge, the .30-06 still brings the most to the table.
I have multiple 06's that the family has accumulated over the years. Rem 760, Rem 74, Sav 110, savage Axis, but I now have a ruger ammerican 22" barrel, it is hard to find a gun that I like better. great shooter at 180g!!! doesn't take your shoulder off after shooting 10 rounds like the 760 does
TRUTH! All these new 'cook kids' calibers are 99% marketing. The cool new calibers sell new guns. Nothing the new ones can do that the old ones can't. lol
I don't have one, buy my buddy does, and that thing is stupid accurate. He's dropped a lot of elk with that gun, and I've watched him hit a golf ball at 150 yds.
Everybody should be getting a 7-08 and the ammo needs to be everywhere.It is the absolute perfect deer cartridge and can also take larger game at moderate ranges as well. 7mm-08 kicks creedmoor ass in hunting versatility.It’s just a flat out better choice
I'm a fan of the 6.5 Grendel. I love the fact that it shoots from an ar15 platform. I'm in the process of building one at this time but ammo will be difficult to find in my area.
I've shot 270 winchester for many many years, it is honestly north America game king. But, closer apples to apples instead of the creedmoor, has to be the 7mm08. Same recoil, handloaded better ballistics in same weight bullet. I just rebarreled a bergara hmr from creedmoor to 7mm08, I'm loading a 140gr berger classic hunter with 49gr staball 6.5 powder getting 3019fps average
I started my rifle collection with World War 1 surplus rifles. I ended up buying mostly Mosin-Nagants, and Lee-Enfields. After some years, I began to think about what cartridge I would select if I only wanted one bolt-action rifle. I decided on .270 Winchester. I have a Swedish Mauser model 1896 in 6.5 Swedish Mauser, I love that gun, and I got a modern rifle in the same caliber so I could have a scoped rifle. I can't hunt with any of these guns where I live. Here, (southern Illinois) I need to hunt with a shotgun or a muzzle loader. If someone asked me what caliber hunting rifle to get, I would probably recommend .270 Winchester. There are lots of very nice rifles out there chambered for this round, and it used to be ubiquitous and inexpensive.
I really like the 25-06, been using one for 15 years now and it's put down everything I've pointed it at. That being said, I'm very pleased with the 6.5 grendel I built a few months back. Between the 2 I can't find a reason to justify a 6.5 creedmoor.
I have literally never had a deer take a single step after shooting them my old m77 25-06 and just plain ole core lokts.. I was shocked and the guy I got it from told me they did well in it and it didn't like most other stuff, but I just didn't believe him. I tried dang near every popular hunting bullet on the shelf at midway USA and then finally tried core lokts. Not expecting sub Moa , but not complaining either. Who would have thought 🤷🏻♂️
Imho if you could only have one round to hunt, defend yourself against imaginary invading army with body armor, nail targets dead center every time and shoot that deer relaxing 800 yards away.. its hard to imagine anything beating the grendel.
In my opinion, the 257 Robert's and 7-08 are the two cartridges that should be everywhere on the shelves. Unfortunately, both seem to be falling off the radar in recent years. Especially the 257.
7mm 08. Mild to shoot, good ballistics for medium game,Good performance on the range. Great to train a young/new shooter. But my heart wants a .284 Winchester. If only I could find one.
Well, when it comes to hunting, i have two cartridges I prefer. The .243 is my workhorse. That thing takes deer and smaller with ease, works great for punching paper or slapping steel out to 1,000 yards, and works great off the shelf oras a reloaders cartridge. The other is 7mm-08. Not super available but enough solid options are outthere for fans of factory loads. Plus this cartridge is a fan favorite in the reloading community.
When you get into varmint bullets, a 55 gr bullet out of a 243 is pushing 4000 fps. A very versatile cartridge, and recoiled is low enough you can shoot some extended sessions on range day.
Built a 6.5-06 A-Square.... love the ballistics. Made my brass from a huge supply of 270 brass. Great range rifle with 28" heavy barrel. A bit much to carry deer hunting in Pennsylvania mountains...
7mm-08 without a doubt. My dad gave me a Remington Model 7 in 7mm-08 for my 12th birthday and I've taken many whitetail with it since. Both of my older sons spent their first couple deer seasons with this rifle and when it's my 5yr old's turn in the woods this trusty Model 7 will be his first as well.
This is still my bucket list rifle. I think the Model 7 SS in 7mm-08 with a 20” barrel is just about the perfect rifle for eastern Whietail. I need to look for a good used one before they become impossible to get your hands on.
@@lucasstoudt4734 Glad to hear it! I've still got to figure out a new trigger for ours because we had a discharge when unloading the gun years ago and I've been a little weary of the rifle every time I've used it since, especially after discovering the big lawsuit/recall a few years ago. It's a great little rifle by all other standards!
I wouldn't have one. The 30-06 and .308 have almost the same elevation characteristics and better knock down. I used a .270 for years and wouldn't buy another one.
@@ChiquitaSpeaks That's why the.308 is one of the most popular cartridge if not the most popular in the world! The.270 is the most overrated cartridge in the world.
Yep. Seems like that to me. I took a moose from 320 yards, he dropped like a wet bag of cement. Then that night the darn porcupines were into the feed for the cattle, bagged it at 10 yds
I hunt whitetails in eastern NC and need a new rifle for those 200-300 yard shots. I'm in my 70s and have had a couple strokes that have left me unsteady with the 308 (and I've missed 3 out of the last 4 deer I've shot at). I was thinking about a 6.5 CM, but am now leaning towards a 243. Thoughts?
I used 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC and .308 and they all have their uses, I like you said have dating the .308 for so long that it is difficult to try other cartridges, however you are absolutely right there are other rounds that can do the job, whatever it is you have in mind. I just acquire a 338 Lapua and going to give a try.
The most underrated caliber is the 7mm-08 Rem. 1. perfect for deer 2. short action 3. can make the brass easily by simply necking down .308 win brass 4. 7mm bullet selection is HUGE and the round can be used on Elk or Moose with 150-170gr or 100 gr bullets for varmints. With the High BC long range match bullets it's very similar to 6.5 CM ballistics.
The 7mm-08 could be fine for the smaller Shiras Moose but not the Hugh Yukon moose of Norther BS and Alaska. You east coast people need to understand not all Moose are the same size or the same species.
I probably would have gone with 7mm-08 if I hadn't got hooked on the 7x57 Mauser decades ago. It's taken many deer and black bear for me, nearly all with one shot. I think the credit really goes to the Barnes bullets I shoot.
@@bradpotter6401 You are hunting smart shooting Barns copper expanding bullets. As an Alaskan hunting guide, I shoot only the Barns TSX or TTSX bullets that kill faster than any brand of lead core bullets. Weight retention means retained energy and driven bullets furth through game. When a lead core bullet passes under the skin of game the bullet is already losing lead and bullet weight so energy is being lost by bullet weight loss. When a hunter peals over the animals hide on the bullet entering side then sees lead fragments that indicates a total crappy bullet that started to expand on contact with the animal.
Great video. These are all great cartridges. I really like the 6 CM, the 25 CM and the 6.5 CM. My most used is the 25-06 because it shoots 75g to 134g bullets for small varmints to elk with SPEED. It makes shooting running game much more predictable. I shoot the 100g bullet at 3350 fps a lot for fox, coyote, antelope and deer. They always stop in their tracks. The 6 CM is my favorite for 1000 yard prairie dogs because of very light recoil and amazing precision. The 6.5 CM still amazes me though. You have to see the hard hitting deep penetration of the 6.5mm bullet to appreciate it for deer.
.270 WIN is one of the best "all around" / middle-of0the-road / compromise cartridges of all time. From 90gr varmint bullets to 150gr on elk, less recoil than a .30-06 in most cases and excellent ballistics. It's a classic for a reason! Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on how the 6 and 6.5CM compares to the similar rounds on AR platform, such as 6mm ARC and 6.5 Grendel.
You must not know too much about firearms and cartridges because the 6,5 Creedmoor is a 250 Savage cartridge necked up to 6.5 and those 6mm ARC and 6.5 Grendel and pretty small to the 6.5 Creedmoor.
@@lurebenson7722 I have the same question on 6mm ARC. From a "functional" perspective, 6mm ARC can take down deers n cayos the same? The trajectory and range seems to be similar (viewing other videos) and the recoil is less with 6mm ARC....
@@anonymous.369 I don't have any experience with the 6 mm ARC so I can't comment on that cartridge. I personally have used the 243 win and I own a Remington 722 and an AR 10 upper in 6mm-284 win that the comparable match to this cartridge is the 6mm-06. I own an AR 15 upper in 6mmx45 which is a 223-cartridge necked up to 6mm. The largest animal I have killed using the 6mm-284 win was a 1200-pound Yukon Cow Moose. Shooting that cow Moose was a learning moment to find the old Bronz - zinc alloy metal 6mm Nosler 100 grain partition traveled from the last rib lest side back then exited the moose in the right chest which I never recovered the bullet. The travel path of the bullets was also something of a mystery because the bullet went on an upward path then took out the spine and then traveled back down to exit the chest of the moose. One lung took a hit then was turned into blood clots and blasted to blue lung chunks. I have killed 2 more Yukon moose using the 6mm-284 with frontal brain shots with the bullet exiting the back of the head with a 3-inch hole in the back of the head.
If this was for me then I can't help you on advice for these new 6 mm cartridges because I haven't any experiences with them the same, I have to say about the 6 mm ARC & 6.5 Grandle, no experiences at all I have with them. The 6 mm I own is a Remington 722 I did in 6 mm - 284 and a AR 10 upper I did in 6mm - 284 win that is a 284 win or 6.5 -284 cartridges I neck down to 6 mm. I have a AR 15 with 20 inch barrel in 6 mm x45 I take 223 then neck to 6 mm. As for the 270 win it's not my kind of cartridge and for where I've hunted the 270 win isn't a cartridge a Hunter wants to use in the Pacific NW or in Alaska. If the 270 win is used in the Pacific NW the shooting is done at fairly close range. One of the most stupid Hunters I seen their video in Alaska hunting Yukon species of Moose shoots a large Yukon bull moose 19 times with a deer gun 270 win. Watching the video, I knew exactly the outcome of that fool shooting the moose with a 270 win because I have seen it repeatedly myself. I've even been the hunter using a 7 mm Rem mag on a Yukon Moose not far from Anchorage AK which that freaking moose took 6 7 mm bullets to the vitals to get it to fall over. I use now the 338 win mag or the 9.3x62 Mauser which works on these moose the best to 300 yards then the 338 win mag comes to play better than the 9.3x62 . And before you go spouting off, I am wrong you better have actual experience in Hunting Oregon or Washingtons large canyons or High country open savage brushed lands. To many ignorant east coast fools want to talk crap about Hunting which they only know about the East coast then never in their life have been here to Oregon or Washington and Alaska to see the difference here from the East coast. No one would go Marlin fishing with a trout rod and the same goes for types of hunting you use the proper cartridge for the type of hunting and type of game hunted.
My go to is a 25-06. I love this caliber. It has essentially shelved my 300 win mag. Cheaper ammo less recoil and kills deer just as good. Getting ready to buy a 2nd one for my son who is currently shooting a 250 savage. Which is even harder to find ammunition for. Soo I've got a thing for guns you have to hunt harder for ammo than the game you're using it for! Lol regardless the 25-06 is my all time favorite whitetail round
The one to walk in and purchase off of the shelf caliber would be the 25-06 ( I own a Rem 700 BDL chambered in 25-06). I've shot everything from prairie dogs to deer with it. Use to reload, now it is hard to find bullets for reloading. Need more folks to show it some love!
I have a thing for the old classic cartridges that have been around for over 100 years. The 6.5x55 has done it all. Every bit as good as the Creedmoor, and talk about a history!
yup, the 6.5x55 Swede. Is essentially the same thing ballistically as the super cool 6.5CM, it just figured it out 100 years ago. In a strong 💪🏽 modern action and good handloads it’s way faster than the CM and right up there with the 6.5PRC
This was one of the cartridges that I thought I'd see in the video but after a short research it turns out, it never made it's way to US in that scale as we see it in Europe.
@@Alhu90 just wait and see.....soon the 6.5x55 will conquer the US too. I'm a massive fan of 7.92x57 and the .338 Lapua Magnum. BUT....if I was to spend a whole day on the range with targets from 100-500 meters (109-546 yards for those stuck in the middle ages ;) ) my pick will always be 6.5x55.
270 is awesome. The only reason I don't have one is my dad already does. If I want to shoot a 270 I'll just borrow his. 2nd choice from the list here I would go with 7mm-08 hands down. Creedmoor ballistics and 308 power. Also one you didn't mention is the 6.5 swedish. Slightly anemic in factory loads but in a good modern rifle it can be handloaded to come barking at the heels of the PRC
.270 for sure. Historically limited factory options as far as weight goes, it’s long been a favorite of hunters and reloaders. This was the first cartridge I shot at 1000 yds. Took it as a challenge to do so and I enjoyed the challenge. It lead me down the path that I’m still on today. That Tikka still has a special place in my safe. I’m considering rebarreling my 6.5 CM LR rig to a fast twist .270…@Backfire, I’m in UT…lets meet up for some LR range time!
My long time favorite round is 6.5x55mm Swede or SKAN or whatever. In 1997, Remington arms announced the .260 Remington. The Remington offering was a standardization of a long known wildcat formed by necking a .308 Winchester cartridge case to .264" or 6.5mm and using appropriately sized bullets. It is "better" than the 6.5 Swede in that the .260 Rem is of the same size - head measurements - as the .30-06, .308 Win, and a bunch of other derivatives thereof. So already in production bolts are already the right size; no need for alterations. It is "better" in that rifle actions are the stronger type and can be loaded up to 60,000 psi chamber pressure loadings. Slower powders - developed since the time of the Swede allow 'stronger' loads at the same pressures as the "weaker" actions used in the manufacture of the venerable Swede. So, the .260 Remington could have essentially the modern upgrade of the Swede. (The 'old loads' in the 'old rifles' are still used to kill moose and elk in Europe.) But the bankrupt Remington (now owned by Marlin) was always it's own worst enemy when advertising and promoting, What does all this have to do with the 6.5 Creedmore? Essentially, not much. The Creedmore is also (in design) another 6.5 - .308 cartridge. Essentially a gussied up .260 Remington. The should angles are a bit different to justify naming it as a different cartridge. The SAMMI maximum pressure is about three thousand pounds per square inch higher and I cannot understand that, as the two cartridges have about the same internal volume and use the same rifle actions. The biggest difference is the Creedmore uses a faster rifling twist. Which should give superior accuracy results with heavier bullets. I have no doubt there are several - six for instance - better cartridges than the 6.5 Creedmore. The narrator makes an astonishing and profound statement in the first few minutes of the video. He doesn't say it exactly as I do, but cartridges do 'well' depending on the use. What is the goal? For a long range target rifle the Creedmore probably is as good as any. As a hunting rifle, I find it to be much ado about nothing.
The 25-06 can really cook the rounds out of the barrel. Which I never sold mine. Interarms Mark X from the early '70s. Gorgeous rifle and extremely accurate.
In the 80's I started looking for a new deer rifle. I was hunting with a Rem 742 in 30-06 and even as a young man I wanted something lighter. So it would be a bolt action. In my job I was lucky enough to try many rifles in various caliber. I realized pretty quickly that light bolt rifle without a scope recoil quite a bit depending on caliber. So it was going to be something less than 30-06. It wouldn't be a 243 because our deer can get pretty big and in the thick stuff I hunted I wouldn't get a perfect broadside shot. My first choice was the 270 Win. But honestly the felt recoil was pretty close to the 30-06. I also noticed that the bolt would almost touch my eyeglasses when operating the bolt. So next I tried the 308Win. Well my glasses were safe. It was powerful enough but I still thought in a lite rifle it could be a little too much recoil for days at the range. Then I read about a fairly new caliber and from all I could find it would probably be just the ticket. Yeah it was the 7mm-08. I never looked back. It was easy to reload for hunting loads. Its the pragmatic choice for the hunter. Sure I'd like to think I could nail a critter at 500 yards but I honestly never had to. I even reloaded some old style 160 grain Grand Slams I still had on hand for moose load a few years ago. Had my load chosen in 9 shots and killed two moose with it. The second was quartering to me at over 200 yards and it was one shot DRT. I was impressed. With all the new hunting bullets on the market you can certainly find one that will do the job in a 7mm-08 though I wish the factories supported it more. Lets be honest. With the right bullet in can do anything a 308 or 270 does (under my 400 yard limit) and just does it more efficiently with less recoil. At lest for an Easterner.
I just bought the Ruger American Hunter in 6.5 Creedmore. I used to be a 308 fanboy until the recoil became more then my 73 yo shoulder could handle. I found that the recoil on the 6.5 was a pleasure to shoot. Shot both 140gr and 129gr without a noticeable recoil difference. I was shooting groups with both cartridges that I covered with a quarter. Can't say enough about the Ruger American Hunter with the Magpul stock.
I own 6.5 CM , .308 WIN , 35 Whelen and I use to have a .270 WIN ..... If I were to choose after all my experiences I would definitely go for the .270 WIN
I've got about every caliber you mentioned except for any of the Creedmoors, I'm just glad we don't have to worry about having to pick just 1 that everybody has to shoot, so enjoy whichever one you like and want.
My one and only big game rifle for 37 years is a 308. I'm a deer hunter, but if I get interested in elk or bear, I'm set. At the range, recoil can be a problem, especially with my lightweight rifle. But I found a 125 grain managed recoil factory load that my daughter was OK to start with. And by year two she wanted to use the full power 150 grain load when we sat in the deer stand. Talk about cheap ammo, the NATO ball 147 grain is really good to practice with and I don't notice any ballistic difference at 100 yards. In the woods of the Pacific Northwest, bullet drop at 400 yards is irrelevant, especially for a former bow and muzzleloader who likes to get close. Thank you for the comparison with the 6.5 Creedmore.
If I had 1 bullet to shoot instead of the 6.5CM would be the .270 for sure! The .270 is a great round100% but the most important thing is to have a gun that you’re comfortable with and accurate! All of them will work!!!
I have been using the .270 Winchester on smaller sized game and the .300 Win Mag for larger sized game for over 40 years now. They have ALWAYS worked as needed. No need for me to change things up now.
Same here and I have no reason to change.
I'm similar, 30-06 / 300 WM, love my 300, aThumper!
I think 30-06 is still an awesome cartridge. 30-06 can do nearly anything many more modern cartridges can. The BC and trajectory of the 30-06 leaves a bit to be desired in some situations, but it’s an all around great round that has been doing heavy lifting for a long long time.
With the more modern projectiles the bcs are getting better for it but at the end of the day it isn't bcs that kill the deer it's energy upon impact
I'm a 270 Win guy, but it's really hard to argue with the aught 6. I mean, you can sometimes find ammo for it in a freaking gas station!
There are a multitude of excellent cartridges from 6mm/.243 to .338/8/9mm range that have averaged to ‘exceptional’ paper ballistic numbers. The 6mm Remington was birthed before the .243 and never really took off in the same popularity; however, even in the 1950’s era of green/yellow box off the shelf core lokt ammo it has way better ballistics than the .243 or the 6CrdMr. It has a cult following and you pretty much have to reload for it, but it’s out there.
I grew up on a pre-64 M70 ‘06, so I am very partial to it, the range of bullet sizes and uses for it is remarkable and yes, you can pretty much find it anywhere in the world. The Hornady 165gr SST load is hands down precise accurate and drops deer where they stand. It wouldn’t be my first choice to intentionally go after dangerous game, but if it was what I had in my hand at the moment, I know it is adequate. I was kind of surprised he didn’t include the 6.5x55 Swede, which worldwide has probably taken more game than the ‘06 or the ubiquitous .30-30. .257 Roberts, though I have no personal experience with it, is legendary on deer sized game, but good luck finding it on the shelf these days. 7x57 is also a great deer cartridge, but again, you need to reload for it to get the best performance out of it. That’s just my .02 cents worth on it.
Right on! Especially if you just hunt deer at normal hunting distances. .30-06 really cannot be beat if that's the case!
@@teammosin9999 if all you want is deer at 100 yds, I'd favor a 30-30..... a LOT lighter to carry my model 94 trapper than a "real" hunting rifle. And if a bear charges, I'll get 3 or 4 rounds into him before he eats me!! 🤣🤣🤣
I did a lot of research and picked a .308. it is a do it all cartridge. Affordable, plentiful and gets the job done.
Yep. The 308 is a great round. The .30-06 is slightly better, but I haven’t found a reasonably priced AR .30-06 platform.
@@stinkbean1but what about 300wm, but what about 300prc. It’s always so hard to hear these debates without any tactical considerations. Why was 308 so popular for so long and still popular? Tactical considerations, same with the rise of 6.5c.
30-06 belongs in a bolt or a mounted machine gun, not in a lightweight semiautomatic.
.270 .308 6.5 are all very close. Wouldn't know the difference if they weren't labeled
@@stinkbean1bear creek arsenal hunt master
@@BS-tm6xq when your vision was still good you could tell at least which one was the .308
Here in Romania there is one caliber and is iconic, the old friend 30-06.
It is so versatile if you choose wisely.
We have big game like large stags and big bears.
Not to mention that you can borrow anytime a couple of rounds from any fellow hunter in your group.
A good scope and you can hunt almost eveything.
For the dense forest I trust my Winchester lever action chambered in 30-30.
30-06 can be a zippy relatively low recoil cartridge. Or it can throw a large sizzling hunk of hate downrange with a different load. There's so much ammo available, and if you reload the options are nearly endless.
Horia
30-30 and 30/06?
In the USA that would have been
The same two favorites until about 1970.
@@SlavicCelery
Yes, and very versatile indeed.
In relatively dense forests 30-30 is the king I think.
I have a 356 Winchester lever for the dense timber. Hard to find the ammo. Can't beat a 30-06 with a 180 gr Nosler Partition. These two will be around long after the others have faded away.
I don't even have a hunting 06 (unless you count my Garand or 1903 Springfield) and I agree with you! I use a .308 to hunt with.
I recently chose the 308 for my dedicated hunting rifle, and I've not had a smidgen of regret. I've got no interest in hunting past 400 yards. I can hunt any non dangerous game in north america with the 308 for less money. I appreciate you including this old beauty as I know you hunt in open country and probably almost never use it for hunting.
The 308 is a great cartridge for Africa as well. I took a wildebeest, impala, blesbok, kudu, and zebra with a 308 and had zero problems.
Mines for sale now, just to consolidate calibers, but I used it on 4 deer and an antelope hunt here in WY. Great, lightweight, handy little rifle with a 18" barrel. 400 is right at the end but still satisfactory for deer and antelope, potentially elk with the right bullet and conditions. And it's undeniable in terms of ammo availability in my area over the last few years
Hello from Canada, .308!does it all up here Elk,Moose, Deer, Bear,!Bison all for pennies for what the 6.5CM rounds cost. And 6.5 extremely uncommon to find in Canada, .308 everywhere
I did also. Have a 300 norma for. Super long range.
But 308 for hunting. Main reasons. Ammo availability and can run subsonic ammo. Saves getting a 300 blackout as well. It's a good proven cartridge
I did the same this year. Savage ultralite in 308. Ammo availability and ammo prices were a huge factor for me. I own several other rifles in various cartridges but the 308 does almost everything well.
.270 and 7mm-08 are my favorites. 7-08 should hold much more shelf space than it does and it’s unfortunately the only reason I don’t currently own one. IMO 7mm-08 is the best short action non magnum for medium to large game. If only ammo manufacturers would have their marketing department read the internet. Tons and tons of people begging for more 7-08 ammunition and appropriate pricing to match with the 243/308 cartridges.
you r right! benchmark barrels did a test a few years ago and found the 7 08 gave the best bang for the buck. esp in short barrels, ie 20 inches or less. in short barrels even the magnums don't do do better.
The 7mm-08 does really do much better than .308 in hunting. Which is why it’s not that popular. It’s popular most in comp. and even then it’s really only used in silhouette.
Have one wish It was more popular
Perplexed as well that the 7mm-08 doesn't get the factory ammo love it should?#@! Low recoil, good stopping power for Elk sized game. A no brainer!
The 7mm08 was the 6.5 Creedmoor before the 6.5 Creedmoor was…itself. If you know what I mean.
The reason i love these convos is because everyone wants the best or newest. Thank you for keeping .308 so cheap 😁
I recently chose 270 for my wife’s new rifle. She handles the recoil very well and took her first elk this year with it. @ 170 yards, killed it clean. Very impressive results with a 150 grain partition.
7mm08 it's just a nice balance of recoil and performance
Agreed.
Anything else is just like taking a supercharged V8 to the shops.
I'm a huge fan of the 270 WIN . Always available, shoots flat, plenty of power, and overall fun to shoot.
Everyone has different priorties when choosing a cartridge, and so everyone will have different favorites, but I'm solid with you on the .270. I think it has the perfect sweet spot if hunting is in your list of priorities. For a fun gun instead of hunting, I'll take 6.5CR or even 5.56
@@davidjones8942 I grabbed a howa mini action in 7.62x39 for my "fun gun", 22inch barrel, howa guarantees sub-moa accuracy (With hornady black), I've got some bulk serbian brass cased stuff that was 40cent/rnd and has shot 1.5moa consistently, its ballistically similar to a 30-30, the list just goes on. 270 win is my go for deer but that little howa is great fun and great on coyotes
.270 for the win 🏆 tried and true. Also 7mm rem mag although a tiny bit newer round and a little more recoil both are good choices.
@Mike Rayle I was shocked how close the ballistics between 7mm mag & .270 are (139gr for the 7mm & 129gr for .270 both Barnes LRX bullets). While 7mm mag is a great round, I just can't justify the extra cost, recoil, and barrel wear for such a tiny ballistic advantage.
270 Win completely outclasses the 6.5 Creedmore when hunting. No comparison.
In 1985 I bought a .270 Win for hunting deer and elk. In the 38 years since then, I have yet to hear a compelling reason why I "need" to buy something else. The same could be said for a host of other cartridges that are based on the .30-06 or .308 case. The one new cartridge that I find interesting is the 6.8 Fury because it's the military's nod back toward battle rounds that perform pretty much like the 120 year old .270. The more we change, the more we stay the same.
I bought my model 70 Winchester in 270 in the early 1980s. It is hard to beat I had a shoulder replacement a few years ago. I still shoot my 270 without any problems. It is still fun to shoot and kills game. Without killing me.😂
still no rifles in fury let alone at budget prices compared to the SIG when out eventually.
7mm Rem Mag. Huge fan of 7mm caliber, reasonable recoil and trajectory, plenty of bullet weights to choose from.
Sooo prefer my 7mm over a .300 win mag! WAY less recoil, much nicer to shoot in a "standard" rifle.
I second this great hunting or Target rifle lots of ammo available priced Right 7mm rem mag all day long
@@billyboy861 I dunno who, but some survey put the 7mm rem at the top.
They are all fun to play with. Many good tools will do the job in practiced hands.
.30-06. Reasons: Depending on bullet selection and how it is loaded, it will have the same trajectory as the 6.5 creedmoor. If you don't believe me, check out the 140 nosler bt for 6.5 and the 180 nosler bt for the 308 cal. Secondly, your versatility does go higher for size of game shot in the vitals. Temporary wound cavity will be bigger, regardless of bullet, for the -06 over the 6.5 cm. 3rd, from a hand loader's perspective, the -06 has more room for performance "upgrades" and response than the 6.5 cm. Looking at load data, the cm seems to us sit nicely in a max velocity and doesn't like moving too much. Barrel length seem to bee the biggest factor to dig up more performance. The 30-06 can be loaded with 180's and a 26" barrel and be going 2900 fps which is close to a mid 300 Win mag loading. The cm with a 140, 26" barrel, hottest powder will only get around 2800 fps. 4th: This is being nit picky: but bullet selection is in a broader range with the .308 cal compared to the 6.5 cal. 5th: This is anecdotal: -06 has aided in the winning of two world wars. And who doesn't want an M1 Garand?
I've shot 3 Moose (2 cows, 1 Bull) and countless Elk, a few deer with my M1 Garand 30-06.
America has most always been a .30 caliber Nation. For good reason. Variety is nice, is spice, but it can sometimes be distracting. .30-06 is a formula developed a long time ago that hit most all the right features.
I worked in an ammo loading facility as an ammo loader for a few years and we have a custom load we made up for someone for 6.5 creedmoor with a 140 grain Berger vld at 2900fps and 2613.83 ft pounds that intrigued me so I snagged a few boxes That I still have with the specs on. We pressure tested them in a test barrel and the pressures were on the real high end of max saami specs but still we’re safe and checked the primers for signs of over pressuring and we never found any signs and fired them out of multiple guns with no issues. So it’s doable to be slightly higher with a creedmoor but that’s probably the max I would ever see someone push it. I’m not positive on the powder we used for it but I wanna say possibly h4350 but the round was for a bolt action that we had the magazine specs for so we were able to load the case with close to max powder capacity and seat the projectile enough to make sure it would still feed and fire safely. But I believe sierras game changer load is 2950 fps in a 130 grain which my buddy has taken a few black bear with. I believe the rounds more versatile than people think but it’s definitely not gonna have the high energy like a win mag for big game. People still use em for coyotes, deer, black bear, occasionally I’ve seen em used on elk but that’s probably the only things I’d use one for but I typically deer hunt. Still find myself using my 270 or 30/06 for em though, only picked up a creedmoor because it’s what we loaded the most of and I got good discounts on on the ammo that was scratched and scuffed up that qc didn’t pass😂
@@ajkubik3588 that’s a good load. Any idea on the grains in that? My brother in law and I are getting some 6.5’s
7mm08 is my go too. Took my first Elk a month ago. Dropped inside of 30 yards. Deer fall in their tracks with a high shoulder shot. 1 MOA at 200 yards with 150gr Barnes TTSX that I reload. Been hunting 5 years ago and glad I heard about the 7mm08.
hard to beat the 7 08. barnes ttsx combo!
Have 7mm08 savage hunt woodchucks with 110 grain hollow points, deer with 140grain. I find it a very versatile cartridge
257 Roberts is another very effective and mild shooting cartridge that is often overlooked. Like the 6.5 Swede, it just gets the job done at normal hunting ranges.
I'm happy that 6.5 is popular and easy to get. That being said, .308 seems to be an appropriate caliber for most things and people.
I love my .308. Glad I went with it over other rounds I was considering.
It's really good for most people, that's why it's the NATO round. 😉
And you barrel will last a whole lot longer as well
If I could only one, it would have to be a 308, for all the obvious reasons.
Love my 25-06 and glad to see the quarter bore getting a little love; been using it for 20 years on deer and antelope, and in the last 10 have used it elk hunting, granted, I haven't shot big bulls but it drops cows dependably
I love my 25-06 as well. Over the last 14 years of hunting with it I've taken deer, coyote, and prairie dogs with it.
It's an extremely versatile cartridge that packs a punch.
Placement is everything, I've cleanly taken many moose/elk with mine purchased in 1983, I think.
2506 was my choice when looking for a cartridge in this category love how flat shooting it is and it hammers eight tails
Just can't go wrong with the 270. It's been my favorite high powered rifle caliber for the past 30 years
Ditto. It's just a shame the ammo options don't get the attention that .308 and 6.5 get.
He deff has marriage issues
I went with a 6.5 Swede CZ 557...had an old M96 Carl Gustaf Mauser that shot really well with only iron sights n surplus ammo. That inspired me to try the CZ...140 gr Sierra MKs over IMR4350 got me 1/3 MOA groups at 100 yards n even better at 200. They seemed to settle down more at distance. Fantastic caliber!
Yes, 6.5x55 been used to kill elk, deer and germans in Norway. Everything dies when u hit it with 6.5x55
@@deltanovember9621 Paper ballistics aren't all that great, but real world hunting ballistics are pretty darn impressive. And over generations.
I absolutely love my Gustav m96. Luvo arms in Czech Republic makes an AR platform 6.5x55. I want one sooo bad. I'd take a ljungman m42 pretty quick too. There's just something special about the round. Kinda tricky finding ammo sometimes and a little pricy for good ammo. I really like the Hornaday sst.
I have a 6.5 Swede myself, built it on a FN Mauser action, in a Walnut Thumb hole stock. barrel is a Krieger target profile with 5R rifling. also have an M38 Husqvarna, and an M94 carbine. Hard to beat a Swede.
Yep. My go to deer rifle for the past 45 years has been a 1917 Carl Gustav 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser!
Got it from my dad. He restocked it with a roll-over cheekpiece Wooden Stock in the 60's. Still has an old 4x Weaver Scope.
Thinking about getting me a 6.5 Creedmoor so I can replace the Mauser.
If I ever need anything bigger, I figure a .338 Lapua will do the job! 😁
7mm-08 one of the most underrated cartridges out there
I agree
My most-used cartridge. Love it.
Everyone wants the new 'cool kids' cartridge... 6.5 is the cool number now, whether it is the C or the PRC. 7mm-08 is equivalent to the C and 270 Win in equivalent to the PRC. The older cartridges will kill anything the new ones will. It's 99% MARKETING... a pitch to make people think they need to buy new guns to replace/augment what they already have. lol
tbh its overrated its basically just a 308 but way faster way too fast at that
Have a 6.5 Creedmoor and a 7mm-08. Like them both. Don’t shoot my 7mm-08 much anymore because the ammo is hard to find and when I can it’s expensive.
My .270 hand loaded 140 grain Accubond worked just fine on a great antelope this past August at 350 yards!
When I look at the ballistics of 6.5 Creedmoor and of the 6,5x55 Swedish the ballistics are similar and the 6.5x55 Swedish originated in the 1890s. In the Scandanavian countries the 6.5x55 is commonly used on European moose.
Yes, it's also lower pressure, so throats and barrel bores last longer. 6.5 swede is a beauty.
The Swedes knew what they were doing back then when they settled on the 6.5 caliber. They were way ahead of their time.
Yep. Karamojo Bell used the 7X57 Mauser to kill elephants. He would shoot one and when it went down he would run and jump up on it to gain higher ground to shoot another one. He killed way more elephants than one man should ever be aloud to.
@@life_of_riley88 I'm working on some 6.5x55 brass with this video in the background. The creedmoor might be good but it is so in vogue to have one that there's no way I would.
@@pigtailbbq1982 You sound a lot like me. My wife always says: "You just can't have something that everyone else has, can you? It's always gotta be unique!" She's right, and I could probably not own a 6.5 creedmoor unless it falls outta favor.
I went with 7mm08 years ago when I was actually looking for a 270. Never regretted my choice. Recoil is very acceptable and game wise very versatile. I don't have the budget to have a gun safe the size of most bedrooms, let alone the number of guns to fill it.
I was feeling the need for the creed. But after listening to you I’m happy. I think I have the best of both worlds. I own a .243 and .270, so I’m good to go!
Your listening to one person's point of view... I have all the rifles this man is talking about.. love my ceedmoor the most!
Why yes you are. =)
@@bertbirge3617 Depends on the use. If you want to shoot up to 1,000 yards, sure, go with the Creedmoor. But the .270 outperforms the 6.5 at hunting ranges (and the .308 and many others, as well).
Two great cartridges for sure 👍
Why stop at 2? I have 15 and still feel like there's a bunch of gaps to fill 😂
260 rem. Very underrated cartridge. Never took off back in the 1990's.
That's what I use for whitetail. 130 gr Swift Scirocco II at 2,860 fps muzzle in a shorter-weight Savage M11 rifle & Leupold VX5-HD 3-15x scope with a CDS turret for that load. Sweet. Just a fantastic whitetail cartridge. Grim death on varmints as well. Bad news in NY, however. We cannot buy "mail order" ammo any longer. So the .260 Rem is dead unless you are a reloader (happily, I am).
I also prefer the 260rem over 6.5 Creedmoor
love it! in south africa it has a huge following!
@@allanbaker659 I hope platforms like these give more info and coverage on the 260rem as it is such a good cartridge
260 REM a great cartridge. Too bad it was ahead of it’s time and didn’t know it.
7mm-08. Huge fan of the cartridge. Super versatile, low on recoil, accurate, it's just awesome.
I know it sounds like cap cause I’m saying it on the internet but I got an elk at 500 yards with the cartridge it went through the shoulder and didn’t make it through the other side of the rib cage but certainly did the job
@@42N8_1 I have, though I am a reloader, so I don't really care as long as I have components.
Lol, but no ammo!
@@bulldogsofeastvan5647 I have plenty of ammo for mine. 🤷♂
You just described the 6.5 creedmoor! lol 😂
I believe the 7mm08 Is one of the most overlooked cartridges. Available. All around. You can get 100gr up to 190gr Therefore you can cover a wide variety of game From coyotes all the way to elk I would even say moose. Don't get me wrong I love my 25-06 and 270 Just my opinion take it for what it is. Enjoy your content keep up the good work
Big fan of both the 7mm-08 and 270 win. They both work really well for whitetail hunting. I took my first deer with a 270 so it holds some sentimental value. I've been using the 7mm-08 more lately and it just flat out performs really well.
Love my 7mm08 but thinking maybe it's hard to beat 280AI in terms of combining external and terminal ballistics with reasonble recoil.
I always liked the .270. Do I need another rifle of another caliber? And now I need to buy another caliber bullet,? No, but I still want one..lol.
Yup I’ve been loading 7 mm 08 a while very effective even the 110 for yotes out the vls wind and drop is manageable and 120/130 s for whitetail 43.0 varget one hole it’s only 125 fps behind the .270 my first elk was w a 140 in .270 but at 64 I like the 7 mm08 very efficient and effective drops deer like now drt
If you like both of those chamberings, you should also like the .284 Winchester cartridge which has ballistics like the .270 Winchester in a short action like the 7mm-08 Remington !! !!
@@kurtwpg 280AI is a 7mm Mag. Identical performance.
Started with the 25-06 in the Iate 80's. FortunateIy I was introduced to this cartridge by an avid reloader. One sweet shooting round that few are familiar with and fewer have actually used. It brings down deer effortIessIy, usually where they stand. ReIoads easily, minimaI recoil through average weight rifles, and it's accuracy gives away nothing to any but the most intricateIy tuned custom rifles.
Well, it looks like there is at least 13 of us 25-06 guys. 😂 I’ve been using mine since the early 90’s. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised with the numbers when compared to the 6.5 Creedmoor
I have a ruger #1 25-06 one of my favorite rifles I have made crazy shots on groundhogs and shot plenty of deer with it , it is a very accurate rifle and round .
I've been gearing up to do some reloading for my quarter 06. Been tough to find components, bullets, powder & especially of course large rifle primers. But a local store finally got some factory loaded superformance 117s in, forty bucks a box and they went fast!
@@USMC-1911I too have a Ruger No1 in 25-06. Shoots lights out and devastating on Whitetail. Hard to explain but every deer I’ve shot with my 25-06 drops where it stands
25-06 is a Fantastic round!!
I think the .270 win fills the middle of the road niche very well. If you want something that will kill everything from pronghorn to elk it is a great option without over doing it. If you don't plan on going after elk I would use one of the 6mm-.243 options out there.
I've been hunting deer with a .270 since I started hunting, its made some outstanding kills for me and I couldn't be happier with how it performs
@happyhankjr I’ve killed 3 elk with a 6.5 Creedmoore. They didn’t complain one bit it wasn’t a Mauser. 🤷♂️. Who knew? 🤷♂️
Yessir, the .270 is the only one I've considered replacing my 30-06 with when I finally shoot out the barrel, and I agree, except regarding ammo price & availability, the ol' 30-06 still rules in that dept. and makes it a tough choice between the two.
I can understand 7-08 not being as popular due to lack of commercially available ammo options, but as a hand-loader's cartridge, it's just the chef's kiss as far as it's versatility.
I’ve always been a fan of 308 only because my duty weapon was a M-21 in the Army and I’ve shot so many thousands of rounds and and very familiar with it. I’m old and don’t really know a lot about these newer cartridges. You are very informative about them all and I’m learning a lot watching your videos.
Honestly in the ranges, and animal types, most people hunt; 308 will get it done.
I picture a .308 with cheerleaders and fans around you. You jumping up and down with glee waving a .308 flag yelling "Go .308 go .308"
@@Physics072 what you shooting??
@@SlavicCelery 308 is one out of 3 different cal. Is a just about do it all round besides moose and Kodiak grizzly
@@rodneyporter93 How many people are proactively hunting Moose and Kodiaks? I only say that because I said "most" on purpose.
I'm not facing down a moose without something bringing God's wrath on earth. But that's just me.
*locks and loads some .50BMG to take down a moose*
270 and 7mm-08 are my favorites; 243 is close behind for deer. They’re great in light rifles when spot and stalking or in the mountains.
270 win for the win
And I don’t need to buy a new rifle to match the cartridge! 270 Win wins!
No long, high BC projectiles for you and your 270 without a custom chamber.
I love my 270 but think 6.5 PRC is the better option. They just don’t build many 270’s with a fast twist barrel to utilize the heavy bullets. I agree with a broke 7mag also. Muzzle brakes are the game changer. Get more thwack with less recoil. If we’re being honest they’re all splitting hairs really.
270 is the one to rile them all, especially for hunting. If it happens to be a Model 70, bonus.
7×57 Mauser, I would put mine against any .270. Don't get me wrong I love the .270 also, I have beautifully engraved .270 with set triggers, push button drop plate magna ported you name it. But 7×57 with 139 grain Norma's I have taken the head off of Grouse at 100 yard's off hand. The Swarovski 4×12 doesn't hurt but, you get what I mean. It WAS a Mauser Action K98 framed 8mm.
My and my brother were around for the 7mm-08 craze back in the day and he got one and still has it but that being said I would say 308 to answer your question 1.) It's very cheap to shoot 2.) It's light enough recoiling that almost anyone in the family van easily handle it 3.) It's very flat shooting, ok not as flat as 6.5 Creedmoor but I just don't think $50 for 20 rds is justified for the small tradeoffs you get I had a 6.5 Creedmoor and sold it I loved it it was a beautiful ruger m77 Hawkeye I now have a 308 that I can almost shoot as cheap as 556 so hope that answers your question even know I'm very late to the party
7mm-08, if it was on more shelves and more variety of guns, this cartridge should rock a lot more than it does!
One thing about the 708 is it's perfect for North America.. it's a rifle you can hand to anyone and send them out after deer, elk, moose. And not be afraid of the recoil hurting them. Yes it can be fun to see a grown man cry from the recoil of a 300 win. But not very nice
Agree.
@@markgalyen38 couldn’t have said it better!
Our family shoots 270. I've been able to accumulate enough reloading stuff for the rest of my life. Great elk cartridge, cuz we don't shoot long distances cuz of the areas we hunt.
Also a very big fan of the 243, I got 3. 243 is just fun to shoot and does a great job on antelope.
I would never tell anyone else what to shoot, we all have our limes and dislikes and I hate being told what I should do, so I won't tell anyone else what to do...I just let them know I am more correct!! 😁
Few years ago, I bought my son a 6.5 Cr, and then about 2 years ago, I got a 308. We shoot the 308 hands down more. Ammo is Way more available locally, components for reloading are easy to find, and although not cheap, there is a Hige selection. You can find 18" and 20" barreled 308, where the shortest 6.5 Cr I see are 22, and a fair number of 24". If the recoil is a concern, you can still shoot 125gr SSTs, and have good bullet, good velocity, just giving up long range.
You can get the best of both by using the 7mm-08 Remington, which has better ballistics then either out to at least 500 yards while having less recoil than .308 Winchester !! !!
.308 is the better choice for most [IMO]...more availability/common ammo ,less expensive , time tested & proven results !
Like you I also own both calibers but my .308 see's FAR MORE use at the range and during hunting season than the 6.5 or my .300 blackout !
A 7mm-08 pushing the 145gr Barnes LRX bullet 2800-2850fps out of a 22” barrel… is bringin’ the smoke friends…
This humdinger of a round can deliver 1500ftlbs retained energy to 425yds with 2160fps remaining velocity.
It reaches 2000fps at 540yds with 1289ftlbs retained energy.
It reaches 1800fps at 690yd with 1046ftlbs retained energy.
The 7mm-08 in combination with the 145gr LRX is the most efficient and versatile low recoiling hunting round out there… good for deer to 600yds and moose/elk to 400yds.
Ballistics calculated with applied ballistics cdm’s at 50F and 3500ft DA.
Both the 6.5CM and the 308WIN can’t touch this. The nearest competition is the 270WIN with the 129gr LRX bullet at 3050fps. Which beats the 708 performance by about 5% and shoots flatter but requires 20% more propellant to do so.
I would vote for the 308 win. Lots of ammo choices, its available, and affordable as said in video. 6.5 creed is interesting to me, and has gained very fast popularity. And I see it on the shelves. It just doesn't make me want to go out and buy one, when I already have a 308 and 30-06 in my cabinet.
I've reloaded and shot hundreds upon hundreds of .308 over the years. The Hornady 165 sst is a firm favorite for hunting these days.
I have both and 6.5 Creedmoor is much better once you get out further. .308 has quite a bit of drop when you get into the 500m+. I love my SIG 716 DMR in .308 you can’t miss, but its just an expensive Vault Queen for now, just like my Daniel Defense MK18. I have a nice Savage TR10 LE in a Cadex Field Chassis in .308 that shoots nice. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor in a Magpul Chassis that shoots great. I think I might pick up a SIG Cross in 6.5 Creedmoor. It’s a nice Rifle. Then I have my accurate Sledgehammer, the Sako TRG42 in .338LM, but I’m only shooting that at 1000m+ because it’s $10/Round so that means going out on a special Trip. I have some very nice .22LR’s that are cheap to shoot and can be a blast trying to stretch them out at the Range.
@@Len_M. What a hero you are.
@@Len_M.litterally nobody asked you or cares what type of guns you have or what chassis they are on. 😂
Id really like to see you talk more about the 7mm08 I know there are so many new fancy calibers out there to talk about. To me the 7mm08 has gotten relegated to a youth rifle cartridge when mostly it beats the 308 in almost everything except for the heavier bullets. Again I know there are lots of new cartridges out there. When I talk about the 7mm08 to people the first thing they bring up is how does it do at 1000 yards. I just say I dont know because 1000 yards is out of the skill level of most hunters here in east TN. I really enjoy your videos and thank you for all the time you devote to the shooting sport.
I think the 25.06 is a very underrated caliber
Meh, after 20 years I sold mine. Now I just shoot the 6.5, it does everything the long action 25-06 can do……just better.
25.06 is by far my favorite coyote round
@@danhouser8472 i coyote hunt a lot with the 204 ruger with 32 grainers and it smokes em
I would take a 25-06 over a 6.5 any day I have killed deer over 400 yards with them and the 6,5 CM out at 250 yards and 150 yards I have had to shoot the deer 3 times with a 143 gr ELDX. Sad that they don't have a bullet that gets the job done yet, I am yet to find the right bullet for deer in the 6.5 CM . Does anyone know what bullet in the 6.5 will do a pass threw and leave a blood trail I am all ears. Thanks.
Pretty much use .25 caliber rifles for anything under 400 pounds. 250 Savage for East Texas whitetails and 25-06 for West Texas mule deer.
7MM-08, I use it on groundhogs and deer with a 145 gr bullet. Everyone in the family can handle it. The kids enjoy shooting it, they don't need to be shooting any thing bigger.
I am with Jesse, my favorites are 270 and 7mm08. Old fashion, but they just keep on a ticking. If I would re-barrel the 270, I would consider a bit faster twist than the std. 1 in 10. Great video! Enjoy your content.
I grew up on .270 Winchester and love the performance. Biggest thing handicapping .270 Win has always been the twist rate and 17˚30’ shoulder angle. The propellant column is unnecessarily-long as well. It would do better in a 7x57 size case with a 30˚ shoulder, and the body with less taper.
@@LRRPFco52 Take a look at the .284 Winchester, you get the ballistics of the .270 Winchester in a short action nearly straight walled case👍🤠‼️‼️
@@texastomsshavingtips6359 .284 Winchester-the first Winchester short magnum.
I absolutely love my .270!! Fantastic hunting rifle. Great BC nice recoil…. Definitely recommend
I am a big fan of the plain old 280 Remington. I am also very fond of Jack O'Connor's 270 Winchester.
I often wonder what O'Connor would've thought of the .270 WSM.
Jack liked the bullet weight options and load data for the .280 Remington better than the .270W after it had come out. He literally recommended it to those building a rifle in the 50’, 60’s and 70’s until his death in 1978. He was a gifted writer and my childhood was spent reading of his hunting adventures in Outdoor Life.
Lmbo!!! Sounds like you’re speaking from experience with the twin sister! Let’s get together bro! Loving your content!!!
Love 270 win, and 308 win. I don’t think most people know the 308 has less recoil than the 270, which I’ve hunted with the 270 for years, and I love it first choice.
In the 1960s and '70s you could always tell who shot the .270 Win by their three eyebrows. Any brand rifle, plus a short eye relief 4x or 6x Weaver scope, and the recoil/rise of the .270 would cut an eyebrow. Therefore .270 shooters had a right, mid, and left eyebrow.
Here in New Zealand I have a .308 as a bush/medium range rifle and .280 remington as open/long range rifle. After many years of owning and using many different calibre's , hunting and shooting these are the calibre's I've settled for and suite me and my style of hunting. I also reload so I get great results from these
The 7mm08 basically does everything the 6.5CM does but better and would be more viable for larger game too.
Same can be said for the 308. It's better than both for larger game. 6.5 creed does have slightly better trajectory but not enough to matter at hunting ranges.
6.5cm is better for long range shooting. Better as in a minor margin. 7mm 08 is superior in a shorter barrel.
7mm-08 is my cartridge of choice love love love it !!!
Thanks as always! I think this comparison shows why the 6.5 Creedmoor is so popular. It is the benchmark to be compared to. You can do some things better, but it comes with a sacrifice for other things. I personally like to stick with the very popular and mass-produced items for the same reason southwest only flies the 737......cheaper and easer logistically.
The fact is, it is the Jack of all trades. For me, the only option in tactical rifles is 308. His rant was related to hunting use, which….who cares.
Could even add some modern loadings for the 6.5 x 55 (Swede) to your list. They compare favourably to the .270, and loads of moose, etc (and target competitions) have been taken in Sweden, Norway, Finland and throughout Europe with it for over 100 years.
Only problem is finding a rifle to shoot it and a modern loading available off the shelf
@@sauerkrautjr google is your friend. I have a 6.5x55. I run it mild, because barrel life and South Africa. But with slow propellant and 62 000psi it is magic
@@Adrian-zm2uh probably a good deal more available in South Africa than in the US. It's a pretty niche and expensive cartridge in the states, and for my needs the Creedmoor does just fine. If I need more oomph it's a lot easier for me go upgrade to .270 or .30-06 than 6.5 Swede. I'm sure it's great and I have nothing against it, but selection is really poor where I live
@@sauerkrautjr to be honest, my 30-06 does all the hard work. Kudu, eland, black wildebeest
6.5 swede has taken elephants.
243 Winchester. I put two deer to sleep with it this rifle season. Light recoil, flat trajectory, and the rifles are everywhere. Great rifle
Aside from having more recoil which shouldn't be a problem. I think the 243 is a better round and for the price you can't beat them
Doing cougar season this year with .243. I've had a heck of a time finding boxes locally. 6.5 Creedmore is everywhere. I haven't seen 6.5x55 here in a year and a half though, it's killing me.
@@leviwarren6222I found one box of 243 rounds last year and haven’t seen a box since.
@@Chris-ip8pz dude, I know! Finally for a shipment in at Scheels but that was quite the dry spell. As soon as I locate my range finder, I'm taking the rifle out in this -3 weather to make sure we're still zeroed. Good luck with the search!
250 and under 243 is perfect killed a hell of a lot of deer with them it’s a good starter round for kids too. Never had a deer go more than 25 yards after being shot.
Curious why you didn't mention the 260 Rem? The SOCOM people evaluated both the 260 and the 6.5 Creedmore and admitted it had slightly better performance but ended up choosing the Creed because of future bullet selections that may occur. The Creed allows seating bullets out of the powder column and the 260 will not with the longer bullets. But I, and my gunsmith, chose the 260 for it's applicability for hunting North American game (works for African light game too). The 260 case holds more powder than the 6.5 CM and for the bullet selection there is now for it, the performance on game is better. I know, the CM is the hot ticket now but the 260 has been used for years for deer, antelope, and sometimes elk and the premium bullets available from Federal, Nosler, and others will do the job on the game I plan to shoot with it. Not a boutique fan.
Now here is a subject that I have a lot of experience with. I've been hunting for almost 40 years, the calibers that I've used are 243, 25-06, 6.5 grendel, 6.5 CM, 308, 300 Hamr, and 7 RM. The most impressive cartridge I've experienced in the field on deer and hogs is the 25-06. It just kills above it's grade and I can't explain why. Even game double lung shot have never gone more than 10 feet and the majority are DRT! It performs like my 7 RM when I download it. I hunt with a guy that runs a 270 and there's just no distinguishable difference between the two. I was not impressed with the Grendel which is why I moved up to the 6.5CM and determined it was no 25-06. The downside to the 25-06 is that it requires a 24" barrel or longer. That means that the physical size of the gun is the same as just about any 7 RM. I found that my 7 downloaded is still a bit more effective than the 25-06 which is why I no longer own one. I've also discovered that the 308 with a max load 165 Speer not only has equal or better ballistics than the 6.5CM but it performs very much like the downloaded 7RM. As far as recoil, a decent muzzle makes it a non factor. I have a Harrel's turner brake on my 7 and the recoil is negligible at best. I've had 10 year olds shoot it with no problem! I always wear ear protection in the field no matter when I'm hunting with so muzzle blast is of no real consequence.
Sounds like the downloaded 7RM is your fave. Id like to recommend the 280 Remington or perhaps the 280 AI.
@@ronlowney4700 True, but you can run more weight with the 7.
My dad swears by his 25-06 I’ve seen him make some amazing shots
@@ronlowney4700 there isn’t a 212gr .277 bullet on earth, or a barrel that could stabilize it. And I’d be surprised if you could hit 2000fps.
@@ronlowney4700 I don’t see a single 0.277 projectile on Buffalo bore’s website. Mind sharing the link?
.270 Winchester really is my favorite cartridge. I like how you put the .243 for comparison on the first one, as honestly I think that is probably an extremely comparable/ alternative to the 6.5 Creedmoor.
I mean if you do the conversion from mm to inches or vice-versa they are close to the same dimensions. So yeah it is a pretty fare comparison.
.243in = 6.17mm
6.5mm = .255in
.270 all the way!
Jack O’Conner I think he worked for Speer/ the bullet makers not sure I know he done studies for them with about every caliber made but anyway I have read tons of literature about him but he hade killed almost every thing on the North American continent besides like 3 animals I remember one was a Kodiak grizzly but I’m gonna have to read it again it’s in one of my old Speer reloading manuals I love the .270 I have 3 of them and the 6mm creed moor that’s all it is is a .243 But it doesn’t have no were close ballistics the only thing different in the 2 is the shoulders of the casings when I started hunting with my dad well when I got old enough to have my own rifle it was the first year that Remington released the model 7 featherlight that’s what daddy set me up with we all ready had a 700 BDL Remington with a 4-16x50 with the AO Leopold best scopes ever made my opinion and I had done shot a couple deer with the 700 and couldn’t find them the first one I shot I was around 5-7 years old had to put the rifle on shooting sticks daddy made for me and I know what I was doing now but back then I would get the hairs on it’s shoulder and pull the trigger and I was jerking it I guess bad but he gave me that model 7 and it had a 3-9 compact Leopold and the first year the bolts on the model 7s was slick wasn’t even checkered that’s how long ago it was it was a super nice first rifle for a kid back then
But I didn’t want it and daddy told me that if I got any thing else that I was buying it so I got my pops to buy me I wanted a.300 Win. Mag or a .338 Win. Mag but he wouldn’t buy it for me said that I didn’t need anything that big so I got a.270 and loved it BUT same stuff after about 2-3 deer started happening and the .270 was a lot heavier than my .243 so I got to using it and done got old enough to understand take my time and squeeze the trigger like I didn’t know when it was going off and I started killing the heck out of some deer and long shots at that but for around here at home you don’t need anything bigger than a.243 I’m shooting a 90 gr. Nosler ballistic tip with 43 1/2 gr. Of 4350 IMR powder and it’s smoking fast and super flat shooting and I have even killed a 386 pound black bear with it I ha a lot newer model 7 LSS now with a 20” barrel brown lam. Stock but it’s what I grab every morning I go now and I have got a .17 fire ball up to the .457 2 Rim. Ultra mags a rifle for anything that I want to do I’m really blessed with both my hobbies hunting and fishing
But I seen ya talking about 2 of my top favorite cal. Thought I would share that with ya
Happy hunting
I use a .270 rifle and I love it but man it feels like it breaks my shoulder every shot!
@@GungHoSourdough I guess I have shot .300 enough to appreciate the softer kick of the .270 haha
I've never had to apologize for showing up with my 300 savage. Eighty years of taking big game, this cartridge has fallen out of style but is still excellent. Still on most shelves too.
Gunblue490 loves his!
I love my 760 pump..300 savage hasn't let me down
I have a Remington 722 in 300 savage it will out shoot any rifle on the shelf good for any size game
I love my Savage 99 in.300 Savage, it's really hard to find ammo now though, and I haven't taken the time to learn to reload. My Dad always did that for me, but he passed away a few years ago.
@@wayneyoung6094 I would encourage you to look for a used press, single stage. You'd be surprised how fun reloading is. The reloading community is helpful and ready to share insights. I personally help anyone who shows interest. We must keep this skill alive!
I have never seen a man happier and more excited talking about ammo calibers than this guy
I think the 270 is the best all around,I use it for woodchucks right on up to bear. Excellent caliber
Its marginal on elk. If you have the classic BROADSIDE lung shot yeah but quartering shots where you gotta drive through tough hide, bone and muscle to get to the vitals, HAND ME A 7 MAG OR 30/ 06.
@twolak1972 you'd be fine with a copper monolithic on a quartering elk with .270..... getting around 30 + inches of penetration on ballistics gel according to some videos
@@peterhrkal8165 Oh boy that's asking a lot from a 270
@twolak1972 not really.... Hornady Cx 130gr in .270 moves at 3100 fps + and penetrates super deep. I wouldn't hesitate to hunt elk or moose with that.
@@peterhrkal8165 Go ahead
Ille stick to my 7 mag and 175 nosler partitions. BEST BULLET EVER MADE. ANYONE saying they're not has never hunted with NOSLERS.
One of my hunting buddies built a 25 Creedmoor, after getting two deer with it last year, I was REALLY impressed with the accuracy and appropriate damage to the deer.
Being a Rifle Builder I love the 6mm Creed. it's a barrel burner and I sell more barrels that way. Same with the 6.5 PRC it's about the same as the 6.5-284 both with last maybe about 800 rounds before the accuracy falls off both are over bore capacity. 7mm-08 is a great all around caliber with the 7mm bullet variety available. 25-05 another great caliber and if you build one and run a faster twist barrel you can run the new 131 gr. bullets. .280 ackley is an awesome caliber, close to 7mm rem mag performance and less recoil and less report as the magnums on a 30-06 length action with the capability of running 180 gr. bullets with a 1-9 twist barrel. .270 great caliber been around forever and if you're out in BFE and need ammo someone will have a box somewhere. 6.5-55 swede probably the best 6.5 ever made, in a modern rifle it can be pushed up to 2800 FPS and beyond easily with 140s if you hand load. I can run 2868 fps in my Swede with 140 hornadys with RL-22 in a 24" barrel on a Montana 1999 action and no signs of pressure. 6mm on deer is not my favorite caliber, it's totally capable but the meat damage can be extreme unless you can get a good neck shot.
I have a soft spot for the 25/06, my first deer rifle and first deer. Wish they made more bullets for it. 30/06 with a 24" barrel and premium bullets will bring down any NA game at hunting ranges. It is plentiful, versatile and virtually everyone makes a bolt action chambered in it.
I love my Winchester Model 70 in 270. I live in a relatively wooded area and 300 yards or so range is about my shooting/hunting limit. 6.5 Creedmore is straighter but 270 Winchester is flatter and harder. I'm not worried about wind deflection at that distance and a flatter shooting cartridge is easier to tune. 270 is very versatile and comes in various weights. More than sufficient wound cavities without destroying meat and pelts. Beaver, coyote, bobcat, pigs, whitetail, and much bigger (Jack O'Conner) are all well within its capabilities. All other/newer 6.8, 270, 274 cartridges were designed as improvements of the original 270 Winchester.
I like most of the cartridges you mentioned but I think the .30-06 is still the hostess with the mostest where it comes to ammo/rifle ubiquity, range of use on game animals, and shootability. There are cartridges that will beat it in individual events, but for the best all-around hunting cartridge, the .30-06 still brings the most to the table.
I have multiple 06's that the family has accumulated over the years. Rem 760, Rem 74, Sav 110, savage Axis, but I now have a ruger ammerican 22" barrel, it is hard to find a gun that I like better. great shooter at 180g!!! doesn't take your shoulder off after shooting 10 rounds like the 760 does
The 30-06 is actually really flat shooting and has a lot of potential when you hand load
30-06 reloading will cover it all
TRUTH! All these new 'cook kids' calibers are 99% marketing. The cool new calibers sell new guns. Nothing the new ones can do that the old ones can't. lol
I don't have one, buy my buddy does, and that thing is stupid accurate. He's dropped a lot of elk with that gun, and I've watched him hit a golf ball at 150 yds.
Everybody should be getting a 7-08 and the ammo needs to be everywhere.It is the absolute perfect deer cartridge and can also take larger game at moderate ranges as well.
7mm-08 kicks creedmoor ass in hunting versatility.It’s just a flat out better choice
100% true and correct👍😀🤠‼‼
the 270 Win surpasses the 7mm-08 in terms of ballistic performance at all ranges when comparing similar bullet weights.
I'm a fan of the 6.5 Grendel. I love the fact that it shoots from an ar15 platform. I'm in the process of building one at this time but ammo will be difficult to find in my area.
Why not .224 Valkyrie then?
I've shot 270 winchester for many many years, it is honestly north America game king. But, closer apples to apples instead of the creedmoor, has to be the 7mm08. Same recoil, handloaded better ballistics in same weight bullet. I just rebarreled a bergara hmr from creedmoor to 7mm08, I'm loading a 140gr berger classic hunter with 49gr staball 6.5 powder getting 3019fps average
6xc for all the smaller animals, a 270win with a 1.8 barrel for the middle, and a 9.3x62 for the heavy stuff.
I started my rifle collection with World War 1 surplus rifles. I ended up buying mostly Mosin-Nagants, and Lee-Enfields. After some years, I began to think about what cartridge I would select if I only wanted one bolt-action rifle. I decided on .270 Winchester. I have a Swedish Mauser model 1896 in 6.5 Swedish Mauser, I love that gun, and I got a modern rifle in the same caliber so I could have a scoped rifle. I can't hunt with any of these guns where I live. Here, (southern Illinois) I need to hunt with a shotgun or a muzzle loader. If someone asked me what caliber hunting rifle to get, I would probably recommend .270 Winchester. There are lots of very nice rifles out there chambered for this round, and it used to be ubiquitous and inexpensive.
all time favorite ,versatile round ,55gr up to 220 gr, Springfield 30-06.
I really like the 25-06, been using one for 15 years now and it's put down everything I've pointed it at. That being said, I'm very pleased with the 6.5 grendel I built a few months back.
Between the 2 I can't find a reason to justify a 6.5 creedmoor.
I have literally never had a deer take a single step after shooting them my old m77 25-06 and just plain ole core lokts.. I was shocked and the guy I got it from told me they did well in it and it didn't like most other stuff, but I just didn't believe him. I tried dang near every popular hunting bullet on the shelf at midway USA and then finally tried core lokts. Not expecting sub Moa , but not complaining either. Who would have thought 🤷🏻♂️
Imho if you could only have one round to hunt, defend yourself against imaginary invading army with body armor, nail targets dead center every time and shoot that deer relaxing 800 yards away.. its hard to imagine anything beating the grendel.
In my opinion, the 257 Robert's and 7-08 are the two cartridges that should be everywhere on the shelves. Unfortunately, both seem to be falling off the radar in recent years. Especially the 257.
Couldn't agree more. I own both of those cartridges the 257 Roberts is my favorite.
agree
I love the 257 Roberts!
7mm 08. Mild to shoot, good ballistics for medium game,Good performance on the range. Great to train a young/new shooter. But my heart wants a .284 Winchester. If only I could find one.
Well, when it comes to hunting, i have two cartridges I prefer. The .243 is my workhorse. That thing takes deer and smaller with ease, works great for punching paper or slapping steel out to 1,000 yards, and works great off the shelf oras a reloaders cartridge.
The other is 7mm-08. Not super available but enough solid options are outthere for fans of factory loads. Plus this cartridge is a fan favorite in the reloading community.
When you get into varmint bullets, a 55 gr bullet out of a 243 is pushing 4000 fps. A very versatile cartridge, and recoiled is low enough you can shoot some extended sessions on range day.
Built a 6.5-06 A-Square.... love the ballistics. Made my brass from a huge supply of 270 brass. Great range rifle with 28" heavy barrel. A bit much to carry deer hunting in Pennsylvania mountains...
7mm-08 without a doubt. My dad gave me a Remington Model 7 in 7mm-08 for my 12th birthday and I've taken many whitetail with it since. Both of my older sons spent their first couple deer seasons with this rifle and when it's my 5yr old's turn in the woods this trusty Model 7 will be his first as well.
Lucas, have you had any issues with the trigger on that model seven or had it replaced yet?
@@panzerkiller13 no issues yet thankfully
This is still my bucket list rifle. I think the Model 7 SS in 7mm-08 with a 20” barrel is just about the perfect rifle for eastern Whietail. I need to look for a good used one before they become impossible to get your hands on.
@@lucasstoudt4734 Glad to hear it! I've still got to figure out a new trigger for ours because we had a discharge when unloading the gun years ago and I've been a little weary of the rifle every time I've used it since, especially after discovering the big lawsuit/recall a few years ago. It's a great little rifle by all other standards!
In my opinion, the .270 is the do it all cartridge--whitetail, hogs, elks, etc.
yup
I wouldn't have one. The 30-06 and .308 have almost the same elevation characteristics and better knock down. I used a .270 for years and wouldn't buy another one.
@@dallasbeus2117 the .270 smacks on .308 n with that statement you’ve lost all credibility
@@ChiquitaSpeaks That's why the.308 is one of the most popular cartridge if not the most popular in the world! The.270 is the most overrated cartridge in the world.
Yep. Seems like that to me. I took a moose from 320 yards, he dropped like a wet bag of cement. Then that night the darn porcupines were into the feed for the cattle, bagged it at 10 yds
I hunt whitetails in eastern NC and need a new rifle for those 200-300 yard shots. I'm in my 70s and have had a couple strokes that have left me unsteady with the 308 (and I've missed 3 out of the last 4 deer I've shot at). I was thinking about a 6.5 CM, but am now leaning towards a 243. Thoughts?
I’ve always felt like as long as you used either 30-30, .308 or 30-06 you could do anything you wanted in North America and find ammo anywhere.
6.5 is 4 ladies
Good find ammo anywhere until Joe Biden became president. I’d say lol but it ain’t funny.
Yes I stay with 7,62x51 NATO .for the same reason
Ammo......
You're not wrong
Add 270 Winchester to your list and I’ll agree with you.
I used 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC and .308 and they all have their uses, I like you said have dating the .308 for so long that it is difficult to try other cartridges, however you are absolutely right there are other rounds that can do the job, whatever it is you have in mind.
I just acquire a 338 Lapua and going to give a try.
The most underrated caliber is the 7mm-08 Rem. 1. perfect for deer 2. short action 3. can make the brass easily by simply necking down .308 win brass 4. 7mm bullet selection is HUGE and the round can be used on Elk or Moose with 150-170gr or 100 gr bullets for varmints. With the High BC long range match bullets it's very similar to 6.5 CM ballistics.
The 7mm-08 could be fine for the smaller Shiras Moose but not the Hugh Yukon moose of Norther BS and Alaska.
You east coast people need to understand not all Moose are the same size or the same species.
I probably would have gone with 7mm-08 if I hadn't got hooked on the 7x57 Mauser decades ago. It's taken many deer and black bear for me, nearly all with one shot. I think the credit really goes to the Barnes bullets I shoot.
@@bradpotter6401 You are hunting smart shooting Barns copper expanding bullets.
As an Alaskan hunting guide, I shoot only the Barns TSX or TTSX bullets that kill faster than any brand of lead core bullets.
Weight retention means retained energy and driven bullets furth through game.
When a lead core bullet passes under the skin of game the bullet is already losing lead and bullet weight so energy is being lost by bullet weight loss.
When a hunter peals over the animals hide on the bullet entering side then sees lead fragments that indicates a total crappy bullet that started to expand on contact with the animal.
Great video. These are all great cartridges. I really like the 6 CM, the 25 CM and the 6.5 CM. My most used is the 25-06 because it shoots 75g to 134g bullets for small varmints to elk with SPEED. It makes shooting running game much more predictable. I shoot the 100g bullet at 3350 fps a lot for fox, coyote, antelope and deer. They always stop in their tracks. The 6 CM is my favorite for 1000 yard prairie dogs because of very light recoil and amazing precision. The 6.5 CM still amazes me though. You have to see the hard hitting deep penetration of the 6.5mm bullet to appreciate it for deer.
.270 WIN is one of the best "all around" / middle-of0the-road / compromise cartridges of all time. From 90gr varmint bullets to 150gr on elk, less recoil than a .30-06 in most cases and excellent ballistics. It's a classic for a reason!
Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on how the 6 and 6.5CM compares to the similar rounds on AR platform, such as 6mm ARC and 6.5 Grendel.
You must not know too much about firearms and cartridges because the 6,5 Creedmoor is a 250 Savage cartridge necked up to 6.5 and those 6mm ARC and 6.5 Grendel and pretty small to the 6.5 Creedmoor.
@@lurebenson7722 I have the same question on 6mm ARC. From a "functional" perspective, 6mm ARC can take down deers n cayos the same? The trajectory and range seems to be similar (viewing other videos) and the recoil is less with 6mm ARC....
@@anonymous.369 I don't have any experience with the 6 mm ARC so I can't comment on that cartridge.
I personally have used the 243 win and I own a Remington 722 and an AR 10 upper in 6mm-284 win that the comparable match to this cartridge is the 6mm-06.
I own an AR 15 upper in 6mmx45 which is a 223-cartridge necked up to 6mm.
The largest animal I have killed using the 6mm-284 win was a 1200-pound Yukon Cow Moose.
Shooting that cow Moose was a learning moment to find the old Bronz - zinc alloy metal 6mm Nosler 100 grain partition traveled from the last rib lest side back then exited the moose in the right chest which I never recovered the bullet.
The travel path of the bullets was also something of a mystery because the bullet went on an upward path then took out the spine and then traveled back down to exit the chest of the moose.
One lung took a hit then was turned into blood clots and blasted to blue lung chunks.
I have killed 2 more Yukon moose using the 6mm-284 with frontal brain shots with the bullet exiting the back of the head with a 3-inch hole in the back of the head.
@@lurebenson7722 far as I know, the 6x45/6mm 223 is not the same as a 6mm-284 but I'm open to learn something.
If this was for me then I can't help you on advice for these new 6 mm cartridges because I haven't any experiences with them the same, I have to say about the 6 mm ARC & 6.5 Grandle, no experiences at all I have with them.
The 6 mm I own is a Remington 722 I did in 6 mm - 284 and a AR 10 upper I did in 6mm - 284 win that is a 284 win or 6.5 -284 cartridges I neck down to 6 mm.
I have a AR 15 with 20 inch barrel in 6 mm x45 I take 223 then neck to 6 mm.
As for the 270 win it's not my kind of cartridge and for where I've hunted the 270 win isn't a cartridge a Hunter wants to use in the Pacific NW or in Alaska.
If the 270 win is used in the Pacific NW the shooting is done at fairly close range.
One of the most stupid Hunters I seen their video in Alaska hunting Yukon species of Moose shoots a large Yukon bull moose 19 times with a deer gun 270 win.
Watching the video, I knew exactly the outcome of that fool shooting the moose with a 270 win because I have seen it repeatedly myself.
I've even been the hunter using a 7 mm Rem mag on a Yukon Moose not far from Anchorage AK which that freaking moose took 6 7 mm bullets to the vitals to get it to fall over.
I use now the 338 win mag or the 9.3x62 Mauser which works on these moose the best to 300 yards then the 338 win mag comes to play better than the 9.3x62 .
And before you go spouting off, I am wrong you better have actual experience in Hunting Oregon or Washingtons large canyons or High country open savage brushed lands.
To many ignorant east coast fools want to talk crap about Hunting which they only know about the East coast then never in their life have been here to Oregon or Washington and Alaska to see the difference here from the East coast.
No one would go Marlin fishing with a trout rod and the same goes for types of hunting you use the proper cartridge for the type of hunting and type of game hunted.
My go to is a 25-06. I love this caliber. It has essentially shelved my 300 win mag. Cheaper ammo less recoil and kills deer just as good. Getting ready to buy a 2nd one for my son who is currently shooting a 250 savage. Which is even harder to find ammunition for. Soo I've got a thing for guns you have to hunt harder for ammo than the game you're using it for! Lol regardless the 25-06 is my all time favorite whitetail round
You can always order a case of 200 25-06. No problem for me, and I live in Australia.
If you reload, you can punch the 250 savage out to the Ackley improved version and get fairly close to 3000fps with 100grn bullets.
Check out hendershots custom ammunition, they have lots of load choices for the .250 savage. I use alot of their ammo and absolutely love em
The one to walk in and purchase off of the shelf caliber would be the 25-06 ( I own a Rem 700 BDL chambered in 25-06). I've shot everything from prairie dogs to deer with it. Use to reload, now it is hard to find bullets for reloading. Need more folks to show it some love!
The more I research and learn about the 7mm-08 the more I want to get one for hunting. What do you think?
It is even better if you handload and dial your load to the rifle. I'll trade everything else before I'd let this one go!!
I have a thing for the old classic cartridges that have been around for over 100 years. The 6.5x55 has done it all. Every bit as good as the Creedmoor, and talk about a history!
yup, the 6.5x55 Swede. Is essentially the same thing ballistically as the super cool 6.5CM, it just figured it out 100 years ago.
In a strong 💪🏽 modern action and good handloads it’s way faster than the CM and right up there with the 6.5PRC
I completely agree, the WW2 Era Swedish Mauser had it right the first time.
This was one of the cartridges that I thought I'd see in the video but after a short research it turns out, it never made it's way to US in that scale as we see it in Europe.
Bang on. I have a Swede on a Tikka 695 and it's still a tack driver despite its age and the large number of rounds it has fired.
@@Alhu90 just wait and see.....soon the 6.5x55 will conquer the US too.
I'm a massive fan of 7.92x57 and the .338 Lapua Magnum. BUT....if I was to spend a whole day on the range with targets from 100-500 meters (109-546 yards for those stuck in the middle ages ;) ) my pick will always be 6.5x55.
270 is awesome. The only reason I don't have one is my dad already does. If I want to shoot a 270 I'll just borrow his. 2nd choice from the list here I would go with 7mm-08 hands down. Creedmoor ballistics and 308 power. Also one you didn't mention is the 6.5 swedish. Slightly anemic in factory loads but in a good modern rifle it can be handloaded to come barking at the heels of the PRC
.270 for sure. Historically limited factory options as far as weight goes, it’s long been a favorite of hunters and reloaders. This was the first cartridge I shot at 1000 yds. Took it as a challenge to do so and I enjoyed the challenge. It lead me down the path that I’m still on today. That Tikka still has a special place in my safe. I’m considering rebarreling my 6.5 CM LR rig to a fast twist .270…@Backfire, I’m in UT…lets meet up for some LR range time!
limited options on bullet weights but luckily it doesn't really matter because what is offered just works.
My long time favorite round is 6.5x55mm Swede or SKAN or whatever. In 1997, Remington arms announced the .260 Remington. The Remington offering was a standardization of a long known wildcat formed by necking a .308 Winchester cartridge case to .264" or 6.5mm and using appropriately sized bullets.
It is "better" than the 6.5 Swede in that the .260 Rem is of the same size - head measurements - as the .30-06, .308 Win, and a bunch of other derivatives thereof. So already in production bolts are already the right size; no need for alterations.
It is "better" in that rifle actions are the stronger type and can be loaded up to 60,000 psi chamber pressure loadings. Slower powders - developed since the time of the Swede allow 'stronger' loads at the same pressures as the "weaker" actions used in the manufacture of the venerable Swede. So, the .260 Remington could have essentially the modern upgrade of the Swede. (The 'old loads' in the 'old rifles' are still used to kill moose and elk in Europe.) But the bankrupt Remington (now owned by Marlin) was always it's own worst enemy when advertising and promoting,
What does all this have to do with the 6.5 Creedmore? Essentially, not much. The Creedmore is also (in design) another 6.5 - .308 cartridge. Essentially a gussied up .260 Remington. The should angles are a bit different to justify naming it as a different cartridge. The SAMMI maximum pressure is about three thousand pounds per square inch higher and I cannot understand that, as the two cartridges have about the same internal volume and use the same rifle actions. The biggest difference is the Creedmore uses a faster rifling twist. Which should give superior accuracy results with heavier bullets.
I have no doubt there are several - six for instance - better cartridges than the 6.5 Creedmore. The narrator makes an astonishing and profound statement in the first few minutes of the video. He doesn't say it exactly as I do, but cartridges do 'well' depending on the use. What is the goal? For a long range target rifle the Creedmore probably is as good as any. As a hunting rifle, I find it to be much ado about nothing.
Im glad the 25-06 made it on this list. I got a remington 700 in a 25-06 and absolutely love it
The 25-06 can really cook the rounds out of the barrel. Which I never sold mine. Interarms Mark X from the early '70s. Gorgeous rifle and extremely accurate.
My 1st big game rifle, sweet shooter.
In the 80's I started looking for a new deer rifle. I was hunting with a Rem 742 in 30-06 and even as a young man I wanted something lighter. So it would be a bolt action. In my job I was lucky enough to try many rifles in various caliber. I realized pretty quickly that light bolt rifle without a scope recoil quite a bit depending on caliber. So it was going to be something less than 30-06. It wouldn't be a 243 because our deer can get pretty big and in the thick stuff I hunted I wouldn't get a perfect broadside shot. My first choice was the 270 Win. But honestly the felt recoil was pretty close to the 30-06. I also noticed that the bolt would almost touch my eyeglasses when operating the bolt. So next I tried the 308Win. Well my glasses were safe. It was powerful enough but I still thought in a lite rifle it could be a little too much recoil for days at the range. Then I read about a fairly new caliber and from all I could find it would probably be just the ticket. Yeah it was the 7mm-08. I never looked back. It was easy to reload for hunting loads. Its the pragmatic choice for the hunter. Sure I'd like to think I could nail a critter at 500 yards but I honestly never had to. I even reloaded some old style 160 grain Grand Slams I still had on hand for moose load a few years ago. Had my load chosen in 9 shots and killed two moose with it. The second was quartering to me at over 200 yards and it was one shot DRT. I was impressed. With all the new hunting bullets on the market you can certainly find one that will do the job in a 7mm-08 though I wish the factories supported it more. Lets be honest. With the right bullet in can do anything a 308 or 270 does (under my 400 yard limit) and just does it more efficiently with less recoil. At lest for an Easterner.
I just bought the Ruger American Hunter in 6.5 Creedmore. I used to be a 308 fanboy until the recoil became more then my 73 yo shoulder could handle. I found that the recoil on the 6.5 was a pleasure to shoot. Shot both 140gr and 129gr without a noticeable recoil difference. I was shooting groups with both cartridges that I covered with a quarter. Can't say enough about the Ruger American Hunter with the Magpul stock.
That's a no brainer, the 7 mm - 08 Rem!
I own 6.5 CM , .308 WIN , 35 Whelen and I use to have a .270 WIN ..... If I were to choose after all my experiences I would definitely go for the .270 WIN
I hear that time and again. happy to stick with my 270 decision.
I've got about every caliber you mentioned except for any of the Creedmoors, I'm just glad we don't have to worry about having to pick just 1 that everybody has to shoot, so enjoy whichever one you like and want.
My one and only big game rifle for 37 years is a 308. I'm a deer hunter, but if I get interested in elk or bear, I'm set. At the range, recoil can be a problem, especially with my lightweight rifle. But I found a 125 grain managed recoil factory load that my daughter was OK to start with. And by year two she wanted to use the full power 150 grain load when we sat in the deer stand. Talk about cheap ammo, the NATO ball 147 grain is really good to practice with and I don't notice any ballistic difference at 100 yards. In the woods of the Pacific Northwest, bullet drop at 400 yards is irrelevant, especially for a former bow and muzzleloader who likes to get close. Thank you for the comparison with the 6.5 Creedmore.
7mm-08. Hammers deer and never lost a deer when hit well. And have dropped many where they stood.