The Best Backcountry Hunting Cartridges (By caliber)
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01:58 243 Caliber / 6mm Options
04:17 257 Caliber / 6.2mm Options
06:51 264 Caliber / 6.5mm Options
08:40 277 Caliber / 6.8mm Options
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maybe everyone is jusy buying 3006 during these trying times because they know its good
@@silaspierre1377 I was going to say you can't look at what's in stock but what's selling.
Some of the New Mexico elk hunting guides have started calling the 6.5 Creedmoor the 6.5 Needmoor, just a little under powered for elk.
a wildcat that takes literaly 15 seconds to neck down- a 7mm-33 nosler with a 190 grn .838BC bullet from a carbon fiber bbl and titanium action! the case has a longer neck than a 28 nosler which promotes longer barrel life! alows bullet seating out of the powder of the case at the case shoulder neck junction, while still fitting into a Long action detacable magazine with a 3.760'' inside length! etc/etc,
Terrible recommendations. Everything on his list is a modern hype caliber. Do yourself a favor, ignore this guys advice and buy a .264 Win Mag. It's better than everything on his list in every measurable way.
I am a 30-06 fan, you can pick up shells in your local gas station, and it will work on virtually all game on the continent.
Same with my. 308 gas station wise. Lol
Good choice
Everything on all continents tbh.
@@nicodabastard Yup. Roosevelt took Elephant with the 30-06 and Hemingway took Rhino with it.
There is a reason why a cartridge that is over 100 years old, served in 2 world wars, and countless other conflicts is still around. It just simply works. And if you hand load, modern powders and bullet designs have really given it a new life.
One thing the ammunition shortage has taught me is to have a caliber you can find everywhere. 243, 308, 3006 and 270 were still available most places.
Ive started hunting 2 years ago, niw Im looking for my first big game rifle and have the same conclusion. Yes id like better perforfance... but can I truly take advantage of that as a rookie shooter ? Heck no! Im going for affordable!
If you only hunt deer, wild pigs and smaller creatures the .243 is great . If anything larger say bears, elk, or moose could happen …. Take any of the other three and you are fine.
Picked up an AR-10 exactly for that reason
@@simongloutnez589 the 308 is a good choice. Great performance and available everywhere. No high powered rifle rounds are cheap and the difference between a 243 and a 300 isn't much. I'd go with a 7mm mag if it was me because it's a little more per box but the best performance unless you go up to the super high powered expensive stuff like the 338 Lapua or bigger. And there's actually very little difference between the 7mm mag and the 338 Lapua.
It taught me the exact opposite. 9mm and 5.56 were no existent while 10mm was everywhere, at least near me
Yeah I’ll keep hunting with my 30-06. Gun and ammo manufacturers are trying to sell people shit, kinda hard to do that if your out there telling them what they have works perfectly fine. Nope you need the latest and greatest, it will make you taller, look better , shoot better and have super models kicking down your door.
I have a mauser m18 chambered in 30-06 and have used it to take elk, moose, and deer everywhere up to 400m. The thing I like most is that I can get dope on 150g for deer, 165g for elk and 180g for moose and hunt all 3 in a day just by having different loads and dope. I know it's an old cartridge but I personally love it.
You can hunt 7 continents with this round….effectively
not only that if u loaded with 180gr at 2950 fps will beat that PRC IN ENERGY.
@@robertagusti3712 i hand load my 30.06 in 175 gn hollow points and ive dropped elk at 600 deer at 4 and 500 and a moose at 350 all about shot placement
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That's cool and all but with the prc you don't have to worry about blowing your gun up because of the high pressure. I went through all my load data plus several references the best 180gr load I can work up is 56gr imr in a Remington 700 with a 24in barrel and a 1-10 twist and I get right at 2850fps. The prc will give high velocity without pressure issues. PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL. I say this because even my Hornady manual shows a max loading around 2700fps. I loaded the imr 4831 with 56.5gr and the manual specs the max at 56.3gr. I went over the max in my load by .2gr and got pressure signs around the primer. If you got 2900+fps with a 180gr pill I'd like to get your load data and see if I can get those velocities.
@@NotBOB-81 I have RUGER #1-B 26 IN RL 17 57 GR I THINK IS THE ACTION AND THE 26 IN BARREL WHAT S MADE THE DIFFERENT.
For me personally the 270 winchester is and always be my go to rifle. That would be my pick of the litter.
Mine too! I couldn’t agree more
Same here. Insanely good ballistics for such an "old" cartridge, extremely manageable recoil/comfortable to shoot, CHEAP AND PLENTIFUL AMMO, aaaaaaand it's the rifle I've got ;)
Same. I have a Model 70 Extreme Weather in .270 and it is my go to hunting rifle. It isn't the most accurate, most powerful, flatest shooting, or cheapest to shoot rifle I have but it's always the one I grab when I'm heading out.
I love all the modern cartridges and certainly appreciate their superiority on paper, esp for longer distances and if you are leaning towards a match grade setup but I've shot so much 270 an 7mm Rem Mag... they are just my two 'do everything I need to do' chamberings. When I was a bit more of an active shooter, for rifles, if you ignore 22LR and 5.56, I think I literally shot as much 270 as I did everything else combined. Had a lighter rifle set up for hunting and a heavier rifle for precision work. Had a buddy that worked up a load for the heavy rifle. Awesome cartridge.
30-06 all the way. It's versatile, available, cost effective, and it works.
I have a 300 wsm, 7/08, 270, and a 6.5 creedmoor. At 72 my backcountry hunting days are over so I just reach in the safe with eyes closed and whatever I pull out is what I'm hunting with. Kinda fun really.
All I carry now is a 6.8 western. I hunt elk,deer,wolves, and mountain lion with it, and I can definitely say it's by far my favorite round.
Agreed. 6.8 Western and a 25-06 are my two favorites. I feel like I'll get a 45-70 and that'll cover everything on the planet
Same. It’s amazing.
Same
I reckon you could even hunt moose with it !
Same
I recently picked up a Model 70 Featherweight in 30.06. I also have a .243 Model 70 Supergrade. I think I’m covered for northern Ontario. Plenty of ammo. Not too many longer shots to be had here. Deer and moose. Love all the info here though.
Glad you included the 300wsm. It's a great cartridge. I have a tikka t3 in it. Added a muzzle break on that pencil barrel. Tamed the recoil a little but it made it a track driver.
3/8 inch at 100 yards.
too much for most game except big ones., too much recoil to be fun, and ammo twenty bucks a box more expensive , a buck a shot. if you already have a 243 or 270 or similar hard to beat really.
@@keithprinn720 they both are great cartridges
But the 3wsm with 155 or 165 gr works on deer and black bear.
I reload so the price isn't near that.
270 simple does everything -- Wyoming guy
I love Wyoming.
yep 270 my favorite
Texas panhandle guy also agrees 👍🏻
@@ronlowney4700 and it still out shoots the 6.5 creed and that pisses some folks off to no end 😂
And you can usually find ammo anywhere
If you are going to have a .25 caliber it should be the .257weatherby. It kicks lighter than my .270 or at the most the same. And just flat out is a beast of a rifle without all the huge recoiling energy of a .300winmag or a normal magnum cartridge.
I’d take 270 over 257 weatherby. Better access to more animation and just a tried and true round
The .243 Winchester appeals to just about everyone of all ages; young hunters, women and men. You also have to consider the availability of the ammo. Can you find 6mm on the shelves and what does it cost? A lot of people don't reload so they depend on factory ammo. There is a reason the .243 has been around and popular for 67 years!
Have fired few thousand rounds of .243 from groundhogs to deer and was what I used in groundhog matches. I'd do it all over again
243 with 62 grains varmin bullet velocity 3700
totally agree for most not wanting more grunt either, easy to shoot get ammo or custom load with obtainable components, flat shooting . Yes there are better , newer options but they dont offer anything easily obtainable or affordable. classic old model 243 sounds brilliant to me I like that look with timber stock can be forty years old with not shot out barrel anf well maintained and stored.
Always love your videos. My 6.8 western has been amazing. I have ran across the brass issue you speak of… I just resize them and they are perfect ongoing. This gun is THE gun for western hunting and reloads. Lower recoil then the bigger rounds. More power then the smaller. That sweet spot for all animals.
After watching tons of your videos and researching I ended up going with a 300 wsm for my Alaskan caribou hunt this fall. Short Action, less weight, and a short barrel for a suppressor. Lots of advantages to other 30 cals.
I bought 6.5 creed for Elk hunting in Colorado, but where we hunt our max shot is no more than 300 yards because its heavily forested. Good content as always!
I always used a 7 rem mag because that is what I have and it has met my needs.
Very informative as always, but I will keep my 7mm-08. I just love that cartridge :)
Does the 7mm08 have a lot of recoil???
@@Gokywildcats11 negative
@@Gokywildcats11no it’s very mild, I shoot a 120 ttsx out of it and it’s not a very noticeable increase in recoil compared to a 243. That being said you can get factory ammo from 120-150 and 160+ is u handload and the heavier bullets do kick more. That 120 ttsx dropped a nice ten point after a ten yard stumble this year with no problem.
@@Mountain-Man27 Agreed. I believe it’s the absolute best projectile for that caliber.
@@wasachevyguy yeah I’d have no problem taking it elk hunting, I weighed it and it retained over 99% of its weight with a full pass through. I simply don’t see any reason to go to a heavier bullet unless I want a higher BC. That being said there’s no need where I currently hunt or even if I go out west since it’s pretty flat out to 300 yards. If I can’t get within 300 than I’m much more of a problem than my bullet is lol
Thanks for keeping it real at 21:26: "Use whatever you have." I love the videos, don't get me wrong, but basically you show "everything" (kinda) from 6 to about 8 mm that shoots flat enough, isn't unobtainium and not too expensive...so that sentence put it aaaall in perspective. Awesome video!
These cartridge videos are so interesting. Well presented and easy to watch.
The old 6.5swede is my absolute favorite but the 30-06 is the American get everything done cartridge and it works exactly as prescribed
Great video
Funny you discuss the relative scarcity of rifles chambered in 30-06, as I’ve noticed that myself. Easy to understand, of course, since it’s over 100 years old and lacks relative “sex appeal” compared to never offerings. To be honest, if I was starting out today, I probably wouldn’t consider it either. But, since I have a sako with a 24” barrel chambered in 30-06, I also have no objective reasons to switch; it’s killed several elk and deer (and even a javelina) at ranges from 100 to 400 yards, with bullets anywhere from 150 to 180 grains. Not flashy, but at the same time very reliable and relatively efficient and economical.
In my neck of the woods it’s the same, but the guys behind the counter at my local shops say it’s because they’re being bought as fast as they get them in. I’ve noticed this a couple times. I’ve seen Vanguards and X-Bolts in 30-06 on the shelf one day and gone the next.
Same in my area. Although I have been seeing a few more at sportsman’s that couple times I’ve gone in.
As commented, its because it's because it's still IN favor, not falling OUT of favor. Still is a major seller every year, especially with new powders and bullets even in factory ammo.
I agree with everything you said about the 7-08 for elk, but for deer (look at your chart) it beats the 308 and 6creed! the two kings of long range short action cartridges. I'm not shooting elk or game larger with anything less than a 7mm Rem mag, or 300H&H. That 7-08 still strikes me as the best balanced short action round in the 308 case family. You really need to step up to a magnum bolt face to do any better.
And it's true the new generation just does not seem to want a 30-06? They just think of as an "old man's" cartridge. That's a shame because it has proven itself over and over as a North American do it all cartridge since the first world war!
My wife's grandmother has been killing elk for 50 years with a 30-30 doesn't matter if you use a howitzer if your a bad shot, know your limitations, as well as the limitations of your equipment and you will do fine, I also know a lot of kids that have harvested elk with a .243, so once again it's all about shot placement, effective range, and bullet selection.
I'm only 37 and growing up in western Pennsylvania the 30-06,308,30-30 and 303British was the only rounds talked about mainly the 30-06 and 30-30 was the top two and the 30-06 is my favorite round when I was 12 and started hunting deer my uncle had a 7mm rem mag and is was like something totally new to me my dad was a 30-06 guy guess thats why I love it
@@warrengreen3217 shout out from beaver county and a lifelong .30-06 recently converted to .308
I’m a younger guy and I’m going all in 30-06. Economy of scale is nice thing to have on your side.
I agree. The 7mm-08 does everything the 308 can do but it shoots flatter, drifts less and recoils less with comparable bullets. The only knock against the 7mm-08 is factory varieties of bullets. If you want to go up to 160 grains for say moose its pretty much a reloading option. My rifle shoots most factory loads around MOA but I've only tried 140 grain and one 150 grain load. When I got a chance to hunt moose, I quickly worked up a 160 grain load with the decision I would only take perfect broadside shots past 200 and nothing over 300. Well I got two moose with one shot each and the second one was quartering to me at over 200 measured yards. One shot and it fell where it stood. I didn't want to chance it wood turn back and I would have had no shot. No its probably not a western cartridge, but for this easterner it sure does the trick. The first moose was a quick close shot that wasn't great but it smashed a rib going in and broke a rib on the off side. It only went about 50 yards.
Love these comparisons. Thanks for the hard work. Great information.
Good ole 243 is my absolute go to for whitetail. Was my first deer rifle as a kid, and still to this day hasn’t let me down. Heavier game than that I’ll stick with my 300wsm or 7mm. Solid choices, and awesome info!
Great video as always! You help me become a fun of 7 PRC as I just got a new rifle and plan on going hunting in WY with it, will certainly let you know of my experience after I use it. Up until now I have used .308 for large game just different bullet weight.
I have been a 7mm rem mag shooter my whole adult life (I’m 38 now) but I recently acquired a pre 64 Winchester model 70 chambered in 30/06. It is now my favorite. Living in northern Idaho now you don’t need a big magnum cartridge as most shots are less than 200yds.
Many you tubers and gun writers always love calibers that just don’t sell. It’s just the way it is. Like the 257 Bob. They are all very good, but that isn’t enough. Nothing is going to replace the 7mm, or the 300 Win Mag. The 6.5CM is just a standout as it beat the odds to the extreme. I still enjoyed the video. Thanks
PS: and now that the 6.5CM is so popular, none of them really like it anymore.
Man I’m happy to hear you say that!!! Just bought a gunwerks magnus in 7prc and sure am excited to shoot next week!!!! Great vid as always!!!!
Great upload! I love videos like this from you, your a very knowledgeable person and it really puts the rounds in perspective anyone can understand and answers a lot of common ?s beginners have. Thank you. I hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas 🎄
Thanks for such a kind comment, Joey. Merry Christmas!
.243 Winchester & 6.5 Creedmoor were the most intriguing to me. Light recoil, efficiency, and availability/price rule the roost.
Second rifle I bought was 6.5 CM. (Initially tried for a .243 for my kids, but none in stock during sale, so grabbed the CM as pretty similiar recoil etc. (I have hunted with it now a couple years as a really good accurate rifle/rd.
Sir I don’t get tired watching and listening to your videos, I always enjoy listening and learning getting more ideas for knowledge that you are sharing with us viewers
Yeah I'm a 308 guy and I've been warming up to the 6.5 creedmoor. So many wildcat rounds are insane! The 6.8 looks and feels great. Maybe soon we could get some Lapua brass for it
One thing really driven home by the ammo shortage was the usefulness of cartridges that can be formed from others. 25/06, 30/06, 35 Whelen or 308, 243, 7mm08 and so on. Great channel. The only thing I will quibble on with your picks is availability and recoil. Once you get towards 20lb recoil you start to get flinching from most people. 30lbs in a light hunting rifle will beat you up.
6.8 Western brass: Lapua makes it I think and no one will say Lapua does not make good brass.
I have a 25-06 and a 257 Weatherby. The -06 is about perfect for east coast whitetail hunting, especially with a premium bullet. But for western hunting, 100 grain TTSX out of my 257 Roy is an amazing round. Hoping to do some antelope & mule deer hunting in Wy next year with it.
Really good video. I have a lot of the calibers you went through. I would take my 7mm rem mag given the chance to go out west on a big game hunt. It is very accurate with 160 gr gamekings suppressed. I would like to shoot a 7 prc sometime and feel the recoil difference.
When I bought a gun for my wife and daughters to use deer hunting, I went with the 6mm Remington. Better ballistics than the .243. And what a tack driver. She clover leafed the first 3 shots. Some of these old cartridges didn't get a fair shake because of odd factory issues. Wrong barrel twist, wrong cartridge loads, ammunition not available, etc.. I hope your 6.8 Western dies not become the next .257 Roberts. Another great cartridge that was killed because a couple arms makers made substandard rifles, so the ammunition makers would not load to what the cartridge could be. They made it to what the substandard rifles could handle. You should do a video on some of these lesser known calibers, like 6mm rem, .264 win mag, .257 roberts, etc.
Great vid, can't wait for next week's backcountry rifle video!
This is one of the most useful and interesting gun/cartridge video Ive seen. Very good job
30-06 is still the GOAT it’s been around over a 100 years,killed pretty much every game, cheap ammo, not the hardest recoil, and every new cartridge is compared to it when talking ballistics.
Ok, sure if I was going into mid century battle I’d take a .308. But hunting? .30-06 WITHOUT A DOUBT!
If you want to get technical the military never went to the .308 they went to the 7.62X51 MM as a standard NATO round and a shorter cartridge saves on weight. The .30-06 is still a superb cartridge it wasn’t replaced because the .308 is ballistically superior it was based on a logistical standpoint
@@Chemically_InducedWow. Your user name fits you very well.
@@Chemically_Induced Actually, you are wrong.
@@Chemically_Induced If you only shoot factory ammo then sure, just stick to .308. But if you reload then the 30-06 wins easily and the whole short action vs long action makes absolutely no difference in a bolt action hunting rifle.
I would take 300 PRC over 300 WSM. Like you, I like Hornady's PRC lineup. Looking forward to trying the 7 PRC.
Backcountry rifle in my opinion needs to be light and short. Short action is lighter and performs better out of shorter barrel. Minimum 6.8 or 7mm since Grizzly live in the backcountry and not fun if a grizzly finds your elk before you do. I would prefer 30 cal short action making 300 wsm perfect. 30-06 still excellent and has the advantage of mag capacity ammo availability. Give me a 300 wsm or 30-06 in a x bolt mountain pro. 6.8 or 7mm if recoil shy and never around grizzly.
I’d go 22-250, 6mm creedmoor, 25-06, 6.5 creedmoor, 6.8 western, 7mm, rem mag, then 308 or 300 win mag depending on what I’m hunting and projectile
@Backfire is one my favorite channels and I watch all the episodes. I agree on a lot of topics
I'm going to get my dad a "one and done" rifle for his retirement in a couple years. I've been a huge 270 WSM guy for a long time, so you can imagine my excitement for the 6.8 w. I agree that it is tough to beat for the things mentioned. My only problem is, as you said, availability. It is the perfect cartridge for him on paper and my #1 choice, but I will have to go a different route if things stay the way are. I personally in fact just bought a 6.5 PRC in a nice lightweight gun for deer / antelope / etc. that I was planning on being a 6.8, but just couldn't bring myself to do it with things the way they are right now. There's a ton of cartridges that would make a great one and done 500 yard hunting cartridge, but the 6.8 just checks every box you can't check with others. Hope it takes off soon.
I absolutely love my 6.8 even with the low amount of ammo choices. But I reload…. So the good brass I keep and the rare chance I come to one that doesn’t chamber. I resize it In my die set and it will be perfect the next time. If you reload there really is not one better then the 6.8… like he said though that 7 PRC is amazing. But has more kick and is not a short action cartridge…
@@thatredlimited4809 Exactly. My dad will never reload so I really want something he can walk in and buy and shoot quite a bit. 280 ack might be good, but that also isn't exactly everywhere right now. He isn't retiring for a few years so I'm hoping by then it will be more common.
@@BadoreksDailys yeah 280AI also isn't good for shooting regularly if budget matters at all. Great round, but even Hornady ammo is absolutely punishing on the wallet. Better off with a 28 Nosler than a 280 AI, it's just not taking all the way off like everyone hoped. 7mm rem isn't much cheaper but the availability is great. I have a 7 saum so I have no use for a 277 of any type but 270/6.8 really does fit the bill.
@@jcarry5214 Agreed. He's more of the guy who buys a couple boxes throughout the year as he finds them, takes a couple range trips before each hunt, shoots at 100-300 yards most of the time, etc. Shoot a -06 would work great for him, I just mainly want him to have something that he can comfortably shoot at the range without a break as he gets older and will work for anything he wants to hunt with one factory ammo. I also just like 270 wsm so 6.8 seemed cool LOL. 280 AI has always been on the list for me but never needed one having a 300 wm, 7 stw, 270 wsm, etc. I just always thought it would be good for the guy like my dad who wants to have one gun that will work across the board from not blowing up antelope and not being undergunned for elk inside 400- maybe 500 yards. Hope that makes sense.
@@BadoreksDailys It definitely does. '06 would be pretty rough for that type of use, it's amazing how much smoother the 7mm is, even with the same powder and same weight bullet. I bet the 270 class is really pleasant. I hope winchester lets more people make western ammo or brass, it really does modernize the caliber in a huge way. I would absolutely need one if I didn't have a saum.
Yay for 6.5 PRC and 300 WSM - my 2 "goto" guns for western big game hunting. My 2 6.5 PRCs are semi-custom (Gunwerks and MOA). My 2 300 WSMs are Browning A-bolt II.
The last 5 animals (3 mule deer, 2 antelope) my family has shot were with the MOA 6.5 PRC, although I prefer my Gunwerks 6.5 PRC. Inside of 400 yards I love the setup and handling and decent accuracy (< 1 moa) of my 2 300 WSMs.
I also have 2 270 WSMs a 300 RUM and a 30 year old 30-06, which is responsible for more kills than all of my other hunting rifles combined.
I would be interested in the 7 PRC, but I'm too old to get started on yet another cartridge - I already have too many guns.
Great info sir, a great and thorough presentation as always. While I would love to go buy the latest and greatest, that option is not avaiable for me. My newest rifle, a 6.5 CM in a Ruger American, with my homebuilt (Form 1) can on it =no freakin' recoil , it puts all three rounds in a dime sized hole at 100 yards. My other sweetheart is a CZ Model 98 mauser in 7X57, it is a dream to shoot and with my reloads I would have no concern with taking elk sized game out to about 300 yards, if the chance ever arose. But then again here in the South, not any real distance shooting. Your knowledge and experience allow me to live vicariously through you. I very much appreciate all you do to make this a viewing pleasure, keep up the great work!
I think the value in 7mm-08 is in the 308 brass laying around for reloaders. One more round that as you say is near the same as 6.5 in factory load with brass you can find all over and probably already have.
I eastern hunt with shotgun slugs and will probably get a 350 legend eventually. These rounds are close range but do well going through brush. If I ever western hunt would probably go with a 30-06 or a 308, just seems appealing to be able to get ammo anywhere!
As always, great informative video!
Out of 30-40 trip in 3 year to Cabila and Bass pro ammo section :
Always saw 308, 6.5 cm, 30-06, 300 Win mag , 6.8 western , 243 on shelves .
90% time saw 270 on shelves.
Approx 60% saw 7mm-08 on shelves.
Approx 30% time saw 7mm rem mag on shelves
Only 10% time saw 6.5 PRC , 280 AI on shelves .
Never saw 7mm prc , 280 rem mag on shelves.
For Brass - 308, 25-06, 270, 6.5 cm , 243 always available, also do saw 280AI, 7mm rem mag noslar expensive brass.
All other brass never saw.
As realoder i will go with 6.8 western , 6.5 cm .
Will stay far from 6.5 prc, 7 mm prc at all if current time.
Everything else inbetween.
300 PRC is my pick. It will take anything I want, pretty versatile with projectiles, I have plenty of components for decades of hunting. It shoots great, and will absolutely devastate an mature bull elk with the right bullet and shot 😅
I'm in Northern Idaho. Up and down the mountains. My favorite round...9.3x62
Watch out for a resurgence in .25 cal! At least with reloaders. With Bergers 135 LRHT and Hornady now with a 134 ELDM, both with crazy high BC's, you're going to see more people necking up or down to the .25's. I shoot 25x47 Lapua in NRL Hunter and love it! I also know guys shooting 25 Creedmoor and 25 SAUM.
Plan on necking Down the 7mm wsm to .25. Also found cases for the 24 and 25 wssm.
I believe that we will see 140g in the meet future.
To bad black jack is defunct now.
@@eddieb4227 Nice! Yes, the Black Jacks were a great option.
@@DRHODES1979 dues the 47 cartridge have more space than the wssm?
@@eddieb4227 No, it doesn't. It has less than a Creedmoor. I run about 39.0 grains of H4350. Creedmoor is more around 41 or more.
Yup quarter bore making a splash. Very versatile. I never hear anyone complain about 2506 for elk and know an old timer that has shot many elk with a 250 savage ai 87 grains . No problem. The 25 creed is going to be the best of the creeds.
I wouldn’t have even put the Creedmor in there. You have the 6.5-300, 26 Nosler 6.5-06, 264 win mag, 6.5-284 and the 6.5x55 that all shoot faster and flatter. If you are looking for longer range shots in the Midwest, you picked one of the slowest of the 6.5 cartridges.
Merry Christmas. Happy to hear my 270 is a good all rounder. Still like my marlin 30-30 for deer in the South.
30-06... Do all, do everywhere and anytime. One round to rule them all.
Binge watching the channel. Glad I found it. Fantastic content
Like you, I have them all. Not crazy about the 6.5CM. Have to shoot more than one time on center-shoulder with 6.5CM. Never shot a deer with a 25-06, so can't say what it will do on deer. However, the 30-06 with 150gr or 180gr I've never lost a deer or hog. So, out of all the catridges I've taken deer with, hands down the 30-06 has never failed me.
I agree with you on your choice of the 7mm PRC, but as an older guy that has store bought shoulders, I have settled on the 280 AI. I am a handloader and i get 7mm Rem Mag velocities in my 280 AI. I have a muzzle brake and a recoil pad. Combined, they reduce recoil to a 243 or 6mm Rem. I also have a 300 Rem SAUM which has served me well for 20 years. My handloads equal the 300 Win Mag or close to it. Never had an elk get away from me with either my 300 Saum or 280 Ai. Always love your videos. Keep up the good work!
I like a AR so the 6mm ARC would do. But, in a long action bolt action, the 270/30-06 combo is all you need. In short action, I would get a 6.8 western. I love mine. It is a custom built Remington 700.
I love the 30/06 and have one that did 8" @ 1000 yds early one morning with zero wind. But that 6.8 with a 165 you can't beat if you handload. The coefficient is really high, and flat.
I actually have two of those top 6 choices in the 270 Win and 300 WSM.
I have wanted a 257 Weatherby Death Ray for a long time. If I were to pick a Creedmoor it would be the 6, but there are so many available rifles of various price points in the 6.5.
If I were to get a 6.5 it would be either the PRC or the 6.5x284 Norma.
I want a 7 to put in between my 270 and 300 WSM so I might wait until there’s more availability of rifles and ammunition or at least brass to get the 7 PRC.
My youngest brother bought a Browning X Bolt HC Speed Long Range in 6.8 Western. He has similar findings. The factory ammo from Winchester shoots 1.5-2 in groups and sometimes worse. Those being the Winchester 170 grain Power Point and 162 grain Copper Impact. But he loaded some 145 ELDX in front of some IMR 4350 and got multiple 1/2 to maybe 1 in groups depending upon the load charge weight.
Exactly the video I needed to see
Having only one ammunition provider seems to be the death knell for the 6.8 Western. I’ve been using my .270 win since 1982 and it has proved effective on elk, deer, antelope and exotic game. Before I realized I could only afford one rifle, I wanted 2 rifles a .243 and a 7mm REM Mag. Now I’m thinking of a 6mm Creedmoor and a 7mm PRC. But I’m 68 and my last elk took me 3 days to pack out all the meat. So my solo elk hunting days are getting limited, so I want a caliber that is suitable for most lower 48 states game so I’m choosing the 6.5 PRC. Maybe it’s time to try a guided elk hunt, a horse can pack out more meat than I can even with a pack frame!
Seems like the 7mm-08 is a good option vs either of your .243 options.
My first hunting rifle was a .243 Win. When my daughter wanted to hunt, 7mm-08 just seemed a better choice.
...of course, we weren't out West back then, so max range and a few inches difference in drop at 400 yds was immaterial.
I personally shoot 7mm-08 and have taken 4 elk, 2 deer, 1 oryx, and 4 antelope with it. I do agree that It doesn't really bring anything extra to the table but it is a capable round. We put a muzzle break and nice scope on it. The recoil with the break is unreal. I do get that it is a little light on powder though.
Your gun room is slick! I love the pattern on the walls.
One of my hobbies has been collecting different rifles and calibers through 55 years of shooting and big game hunting. What remains in my safe, are Winchester Model 70s in 3006 and 308 calibers. All the others are gone…..including the 243 Win, 270 Win, 257 Wby Mag 270 Wby Mag 300 Wby Mag, 300 Win Mag, 338 Win Mag, 7 mm Wby Mag, and 7 mm Rem Mag.
I have the Ruger American in 243, Winchester XPR in 308, and then Ruger M77 (tang safety) in 338 win mag. For elk 338 all day every day. Anything else my 308 because I can change grain weight and I can buy ammo everywhere.
I know he was comparing specific cartridges in each respective caliber but the fact that he couldn't say that the 7mm08 is an "under 400 big game/elk" round after giving the 308 its due is leading people away from a terrific round of his "favorite caliber". The .284 bullet.
Honestly, the best advice still comes from the Newbergs/Spooners about good western cartridges. Rounds similar to 7mm08/308 are the sweet spot for not just pros but anyone attempting to put down an elk at "hunting ranges". Bullet construction and shoot ability are the only factors.
Recommendations of backcountry rifles chambered in magnum-type cartridges lead to too many disappointing and sometimes inhumane(wounded animals) hunts.
I just purchased a bergara HMR in 7mm PRC last week. I cannot wait to get it to the range this weekend. I was able to obtain plenty of seven MMPRC ammunition in Hornady 175ELDX at a reasonable $45/ box. I bought six boxes to get started and I just can't wait!
Here’s a great way to look at this as a new hunter. Whenever you are looking at purchasing a rifle, always choose something you can find quality ammo for that has a high rate of availability. .308, 30-06, .270, 7 rem mag, 300 win mag, and admittedly now 6.5 Creedmoor and in some areas 6.5 prc. Unless you are coming into hunting as a shooter and reloader, then pick something that produces enough energy to take the game you want to hunt with quality factory ammunition for your first rifle. Then branch out as you adapt and evolve your preferences, the types of shooting you do, and the types of hunts you want to go on.
Pertaining to the 6mms: The minute performance gained by the 6mm creedmoor is not worth less rifle/ammo selection/availability. No one should be shooting medium to big game animals at 400+ yards anyway with a 6mm rifle.
I can appreciate that perspective.
@@backfire 6 creed is bitchin’ though…
I would love a flatter shooting cartridge, but availability and price is why I stick with .308. At the end of the day, those two considerations are fairly big ones. Especially in today's economy. Longer range shot's while hunting aren't it's strong suit, but up to 500ish yards, it'll definitely do the job. Given the ballistic drop, I think a 300 yard zero is essential.
Love the design of the 7mm PRC. Waiting for Bergara to start chambering for it, then I will probably pick up two.
Check out the numbers and compare it to the 7mm wsm only thing going for the prc is ability to shoot bigger than 175gr other than that they are carbon copies of each other. Been shooting the wizzum for 20 yrs with the positives prc guys are just figuring out
@Nick B 7mm WSM is good. It's just nearly impossible to find brass or even factory ammo. 7mm PRC will be more available once it gets going. Plus, I want to shoot the heavier bullets, so the 7mm WSM is out. I already have a custom chambered 7 SAUM, but I want something more standard for my boys to have when they grow up.
When you think they’re going to make it happen?..I want one so badly
@@enrique7240 I'm not sure. I'm hoping they will announce it for their 2023 catalog. 🤞
Talking about the 30-06 not being chambered on shelves I have noticed that as well. I feel like the market has been so muddied with a ton of different cartridges that have such minimal differences the average joe, like myself, will never even need or notice. I love the 06 because of availability. You can get damn good loads anywhere really.
I totally agree with the comment on the 6.8 Wester. That it is the best designed cartridge for backcountry western shooting. I have been reloading rounds for the 6.8 westers that we own. We have a few and going to be getting a few more. I live and hunt in Alaska with 4 kids that go out hunting with me. We always have other calibers when we are out hunting.
I understand the brass comments and ammo off the shelf limited selection.
Any chance you've hit a swamp donkey with it yet? I'm curious how it would do. Reasonable expected range you are shooting it out here?
.30-06 is hard to beat, for an all around.
Great video per usual Jim! I am really hoping to see the Springfield waypoint in 7 PRC soon, that will be my dream rifle.
Thank you! Waypoint in 7 PRC would be awesome.
Christianson arms is the ticket
@@fpvflightairborne2168 I almost bought a ridgeline but I am glad I didn't. I have heard way too many bad things from Christensen owners to buy one.
@@Nic-ho1rq I got the mpr and just luckily picked up 100 rounds of eldx 7 prc. We will see. I should knock out a review on it. It seems like a good gun. Put together well, lightweight, and handy. We will see if my hard earned dollars were put to use.
@@fpvflightairborne2168 very cool. That MPR is a sexy looking rifle! Look forward to watching your review video of it.
I think using 280 Ackley's precision hunter data is kinda making it look worse than it is because it's not loaded very hot at all. However if you used the Terminal Ascent that you have on the table, that's only 7 grains lighter but going 100fps faster and it's sleek as heck
I agree, my data on my hand loaded 280ai with a 168vldh is right there with his data for the prc in 175
Lot of good info here. A few comments: I would have gone with the 257 Weatherby over the 25-06. If I want to load my ammo to minimum pressures I can get my 257 Weatherby to shoot at 25-06 velocities, and still have the flexibility of shooting 250-300 fps faster if I load to max.
One does not put pump gas in a dragster!!
Good idea, but having one or two more in the tank and using 20 grains less powder per shot have some considerable short and long term benefits. Never really compared numbers before though, that 200-300 fps adds a lot of flatness between 4 and 500y, wow. I'm honestly hoping we see a 25 PRC in a few years based off the 7mm case.
@@jcarry5214 I agree with pretty much all you said. Especially the idea of a 25 PRC. I love my 257 Weatherby. I got a GREAT deal on it and it has a fluted barrel with a cerakote finish and weighs 6 lbs 10oz, BUT, I purchased it before the 6.5 PRC came out. If I were choosing between the two today I would almost surely go with the 6.5 PRC over the 257 Weatherby and it breaks my heart to say that.
@@RT-gv6us really? That's funny because now that the 134 ELD is out i want my next build to be a 25-06 8 twist carbon barrel. I built a 7 saum instead of a 6.5 prc because of the pills available at the time now I'd never look back. You probably have good reasons but my gut reaction is WHAT?
Well, looking at the data I guess i can see it. The 6.5 is way more efficient. basically ties the weatherby with 120g and goes up to 150. I guess I can see that.
When I traveled regularly through SD and WY multiple gun shop owners told me a .270 is it. That was in the late 80’s. I have hunted with one ever since haven’t ever gotten out west but maybe will one day.
I was just thinking about the 300WSM. I could only find a rifle chambered in 7 mm Remington magnum. It’s a lot about what you can find & feed.
Love your videos. I don’t understand how it’s ok for your kids to shoot a lighter caliber for game but as an adult it’s not ok for you too. I wouldn’t shoot a 6.5 on big game but it is interesting to me that most gun writers say… I would let a kid shoot big game with it but it’s not enough for me. He can shoot an elk at 12yrs old with it even though I wouldn’t ever shoot an elk with it, even though I’ve been hunting longer than he or she has been alive.
Great information!
Dang! This was like a mini cartridge wars! 7mm PRM would have been interesting in cartridge wars vs. the 7mm Rem Mag - wonder which your audience would have gone with. Hoping to get a 7mm PRC sometime in the future
Yeah, I think Cartridge Wars would be a bit more boring now :-) Just 7 PRC and be done with it :-)
I'm looking at getting a new caliber either 6.8 western or .280 ai. Which would you suggest most accurate? Thanks for your help and keep the content coming.
I have virtually every common American-available center fire caliber. The 6.8 Western is a do-all. If I had to pick one for North America. And I head-shot a doe at 734 yds with Win factory ammo in a custom. So I’m a pretty big fan.
The 243 is super crazy when you load it with the same weight and bc bullets as 6 creed using a 105gr rdf bullet from nosler, and using the exact same powder you only gain about 25-30 fps in favor of the 6 creed. And if you go based on the fastest powder of each cartridge you have a max of 3043fps with the 6 creed and 3044fps with the 243. Pretty crazy stuff, no hate on the 6 creed it’s a super cool round just worth the mention that you can do the same stuff with a 243
i REALLY want a 170 grain federal fusion for 6.8 western for close range (50-200 yards) deer. its my favorite deer bullet, and they typically are not the hottest loads which makes them great for whitetail. i find that they are fairly accurate in anything i shoot them out of, more accurate than required for 200 yards,
I have the 300 win mag and happy with it. Ammo is easy to get. But reload supplies are hard to find.
bought a mauser m18 in 308 solely for ammo availability and "stable" pricing most of the time. plenty of boom boom for the hunting here in KY.
thanx for the great vids. question for you...
tikka t3x lite with stainless barrel 22 2/5 length with factory loads... 1 -10 or is 1-11 twist better?? oh
30.06
Man, I have packed around the model 70 in 7mm rem mag for a couple dozen years. If I ever had a grizzly hunt I would have to re gun, but I'd be hard pressed to find an actual need for a different rifle. Same could could be said for my brothers 300 wm
Awesome stuff! 👌
My favourite is a 300 win mag, but in a 180 grain, I've been shooting one my grandpa gave me and I love it.
Would be real cool if you did a version of this video but for AR15/AR10 Cartridges I know not everyone hunts with those platforms but I feel alot more comfortable knowing I have another round on tap without having to do anything if I see that animal not going down after the first shot
My first deer was with 20ga slug. Next few years was 12ga slugs. Then when rifle was legalized I went to .308 and I still use it.
Well, so much for hearing something positive about my 300 blackout ha ha as soon as you said, long range flat shooting I knew 😂
Im a fairly a new hunter, for all availability, range, and size of game , I go 6.5 Creedmoor, and 300 Win Mag. I am interested in the 7 PRC, 300 PRC, and forgot to mention the Nosler lineup. I like the 28 Nosler as well.