@@WalterA-b3d Joe failed to mention that there is only like 4 EVs in the US market that would allow bi-directional, and you have to use their proprietary equipment. Please don't buy the Enphase level two charger that offers bi-directional unless you know your car will work with it, and as of right now I don't believe any will. I seriously doubt any of the major car manufacturers are going to allow for that, and instead, you will have to buy their proprietary technology. Joe did a big disservice here by not explaining that in this video.
Joe, the main problem today with this is that very few manufacturers are supporting bidirectional charging. Nissan was first with the leaf based on CHAdeMO, Ford supports this with add-ons to the F150 Lightning and several others have announced support but generally with their proprietary systems. VW has announced this but doesn't have a solution today. Several firms support VTL - Vehicle to Load but at fairly low amperage. Tesla speaks about this but has no solution for the vast majority of their vehicles.
Agree! There is NO off the market third party bi-directional device that will work with any US-based EV today. Ford Lighting, Chevy Silverado, the Cybertruck are the only EVs on the market that allow home back up, but you have to use their proprietary equipment.
Totally agree 💯. I’m still waiting for Rivian to open up this feature and see how much the inverter is going to cost. Hopefully, it’s comparable to Ford’s pro charging system at about $1300.
@@scottgruber589 Very good question which Joe failed to stay here. There is only several EVs in the US market that offer bi-directional charging, and you have to use their proprietary equipment for to work.
A year ago you mentioned in a video that Solaredge was coming out with a bi-directional charger. It's a year later and still no bi-directional charger. What's happening? Do you plan to update this story? Thanks.
Any idea when we'll start seeing the first of these systems? I feel like there's a fair deal of standardization to be done before this is in a smooth state. Anyhow, can't wait to start offering these systems
Good feedback and you are correct. Standards are still being worked out before any of these will be ready for mass market release in the US. As an encouragement, Australia has there first units.
Wondering if you can take the 9.6 kW 240v NEMA 14-50 output of the Cybertruck bed (or other BEVs) and hook it up to the 'generator' input of the Anker Solix X1 system? Seems like it would work just like a generator with a L1, L2, NEU, & GRND coming from the BEV vehicle. Supposedly the Anker Solix X1 will also charge the battery from the 'generator'. This would be great to fill the battery during the day and use it overnight (to keep neighborhood quiet) as well as if the 'generator' is a BEV truck that you can run errands in or 'fill up' at a charging site (Tesla Supercharger, etc).
I was wondering a similar thing. I have solaredge system and was looking to buy a BYD in Australia. BYD had a V2L of 3.3kwh and a battery of 82kwh. Only problem is the solaredge battery won't work when a generator is hooked up.
@@Shmaybe Anker SolIx X1 support indicates their 'generator' input to charge the batteries is in progress for Q4 2024. Benjamin Sahlstrom covered this in one of this videos at a tradeshow / expo.
Yes Cybertruck vtl works great for this. Using a Bluetti/Cybertruck setup for camping and love it. Everything is manual so it wont tell the truck when it needs power…truck will output for 12hrs at a time.
The trouble with the Tesla Cybertruck PowerShare tech is it only works with the Gateway 3V (vehicle) and their UWC (latest Universal Wall Connector). It is does not work with any other Gateway V2 (or V3) of theirs. It also is not currently compatible or known to be compatible with the Tesla Powerwall V3. ** - Supposedly 4Q 2024 with software updates it will allow: UWC|WC + any Powerwall system (Powerwall battery & gateway [island/site controller])
PSA - Please note that Joe failed to mention that there is really only 4 US vehicles that can do bi-directional home backup. The Ford Lightning, Chevy Silverado, Nissan Leaf, and the Tesla Cybertruck. All of those you have to use their proprietary equipment, except for the Leaf, I believe. In summary, do your research; do not buy a third party level two charger that claims to be able to provide bi-directional and assume it will work with your EV.
@@SnerdlesWow! I had no idea. Nissan finally started to offer this feature in the US, though it took them over 20 years. Thank you for this update. I also didn't know about the Mitsubishi Outlander.
@@accountability2000 Started? Bidirectional charging is built in to the ChaDeMo standard. No one used it and used the vastly inferior CCS glued on J1772 mess just to be difficult. Now we have to wait for everyone to ditch that obviously trash connector and switch to NACS and then wait for them to figure out that when people buy huge batteries they may want to use them.
@@Snerdles My understanding, in the US market, Nissan never offered the original feature of chadamo to provide bi-directional charging, and based on my quick search online after reviewing your comment this feature only came out within the past year.
Will there be more videos on this topic to go through how this can be implemented for a given home? And more broadly, if a home already have existing equipment, what would it take (including future developments) for me to say, plug in a Silverado EV into my Tesla solar/battery home system and let the Tesla hardware recognize the source of power I just plugged in and available to pull? What sort of interoperability would this require to accomplish? Is it all software based? Would love to explore more. TYIA 🙏
@@tonykelpie No. It will require a physical update from my understanding, and they will not be offered because Telsa can make more money by selling you a Tesla power pack. Only the cybertruck offers bi-directional.
I'm starting to have buyers remorse about my enphase solar install... no bi directional charger for sale... and enphase batteries haven't gone down in price Even though the cost to make the battery has become much cheaper....
@@smallmj2886 It's going to be a long time before solid state batteries make it to the market. More to your concern, today's EV battery packs have shown to last longer than scientists thought. Not to mention there is an 8 year or 100,000 mi warranty on all US sold EV battery packs. There are people driving around today with over 200,000 miles on their Tesla with only around 10-15% degradation. For a non-Telsa example, my neighbor bought a used 2017 Nissan Leaf, which has the worst battery pack on the market because there is no thermal management, and their son is able to get to work and back with no issues. The kid is saving thousands of dollars a year because there's no maintenance and no gas.
We've got a brand new Tesla PW3 / GW2 install. Plan is to get new Juniper MY next year once they announce bi-directional across all models, anticipated in 2025. Long Range Model Y = 5+ PW3s...
@@bobpoggi6220You first need to have a vehicle that can allow for bi-directional charging, and you will have to buy the car manufacturers proprietary technology for it to work. There are only like 4 EVs in the US market that offer this feature. Please double check to make sure your car can even offer bi-directional.
Keep an eye on Emporia Energy who may have one available next year and at very affordable cost: (older video) ruclips.net/video/qzJA3EoW4VU/видео.html and (newer video) ruclips.net/video/Psmvw2GNvB0/видео.html
I have been waiting for Enphase to market their Bi Directional EV Charger for over a year. Ready to buy if it ever becomes available.
@@WalterA-b3d Joe failed to mention that there is only like 4 EVs in the US market that would allow bi-directional, and you have to use their proprietary equipment. Please don't buy the Enphase level two charger that offers bi-directional unless you know your car will work with it, and as of right now I don't believe any will. I seriously doubt any of the major car manufacturers are going to allow for that, and instead, you will have to buy their proprietary technology. Joe did a big disservice here by not explaining that in this video.
Thanks, Joe! We just partnered with Qmerit as a certified installer for the greater Houston market and Bryan College Station area!
Excellent video on Bi directional EV charging. Thanks!
Joe, the main problem today with this is that very few manufacturers are supporting bidirectional charging. Nissan was first with the leaf based on CHAdeMO, Ford supports this with add-ons to the F150 Lightning and several others have announced support but generally with their proprietary systems. VW has announced this but doesn't have a solution today. Several firms support VTL - Vehicle to Load but at fairly low amperage. Tesla speaks about this but has no solution for the vast majority of their vehicles.
Agree! There is NO off the market third party bi-directional device that will work with any US-based EV today. Ford Lighting, Chevy Silverado, the Cybertruck are the only EVs on the market that allow home back up, but you have to use their proprietary equipment.
Totally agree 💯. I’m still waiting for Rivian to open up this feature and see how much the inverter is going to cost. Hopefully, it’s comparable to Ford’s pro charging system at about $1300.
What current EV cars are able to work with Bi Directional home back up ?
@@scottgruber589 Very good question which Joe failed to stay here. There is only several EVs in the US market that offer bi-directional charging, and you have to use their proprietary equipment for to work.
A year ago you mentioned in a video that Solaredge was coming out with a bi-directional charger. It's a year later and still no bi-directional charger. What's happening? Do you plan to update this story? Thanks.
Do both! You need a smaller whole home battery so you don't leave everyone in the dark if you need to drive away.
Any idea when we'll start seeing the first of these systems? I feel like there's a fair deal of standardization to be done before this is in a smooth state.
Anyhow, can't wait to start offering these systems
Good feedback and you are correct. Standards are still being worked out before any of these will be ready for mass market release in the US. As an encouragement, Australia has there first units.
Wondering if you can take the 9.6 kW 240v NEMA 14-50 output of the Cybertruck bed (or other BEVs) and hook it up to the 'generator' input of the Anker Solix X1 system? Seems like it would work just like a generator with a L1, L2, NEU, & GRND coming from the BEV vehicle. Supposedly the Anker Solix X1 will also charge the battery from the 'generator'. This would be great to fill the battery during the day and use it overnight (to keep neighborhood quiet) as well as if the 'generator' is a BEV truck that you can run errands in or 'fill up' at a charging site (Tesla Supercharger, etc).
I was wondering a similar thing. I have solaredge system and was looking to buy a BYD in Australia. BYD had a V2L of 3.3kwh and a battery of 82kwh.
Only problem is the solaredge battery won't work when a generator is hooked up.
@@Shmaybe Anker SolIx X1 support indicates their 'generator' input to charge the batteries is in progress for Q4 2024. Benjamin Sahlstrom covered this in one of this videos at a tradeshow / expo.
Yes Cybertruck vtl works great for this. Using a Bluetti/Cybertruck setup for camping and love it. Everything is manual so it wont tell the truck when it needs power…truck will output for 12hrs at a time.
The trouble with the Tesla Cybertruck PowerShare tech is it only works with the Gateway 3V (vehicle) and their UWC (latest Universal Wall Connector). It is does not work with any other Gateway V2 (or V3) of theirs. It also is not currently compatible or known to be compatible with the Tesla Powerwall V3. ** - Supposedly 4Q 2024 with software updates it will allow: UWC|WC + any Powerwall system (Powerwall battery & gateway [island/site controller])
PSA - Please note that Joe failed to mention that there is really only 4 US vehicles that can do bi-directional home backup. The Ford Lightning, Chevy Silverado, Nissan Leaf, and the Tesla Cybertruck. All of those you have to use their proprietary equipment, except for the Leaf, I believe. In summary, do your research; do not buy a third party level two charger that claims to be able to provide bi-directional and assume it will work with your EV.
And the leaf and outlander
@@SnerdlesWow! I had no idea. Nissan finally started to offer this feature in the US, though it took them over 20 years. Thank you for this update. I also didn't know about the Mitsubishi Outlander.
@@accountability2000 Started? Bidirectional charging is built in to the ChaDeMo standard. No one used it and used the vastly inferior CCS glued on J1772 mess just to be difficult. Now we have to wait for everyone to ditch that obviously trash connector and switch to NACS and then wait for them to figure out that when people buy huge batteries they may want to use them.
@@Snerdles My understanding, in the US market, Nissan never offered the original feature of chadamo to provide bi-directional charging, and based on my quick search online after reviewing your comment this feature only came out within the past year.
Will there be more videos on this topic to go through how this can be implemented for a given home? And more broadly, if a home already have existing equipment, what would it take (including future developments) for me to say, plug in a Silverado EV into my Tesla solar/battery home system and let the Tesla hardware recognize the source of power I just plugged in and available to pull? What sort of interoperability would this require to accomplish? Is it all software based? Would love to explore more. TYIA 🙏
Can current Tesla models be upgraded to enable bidirectional charging?
@@tonykelpie No. It will require a physical update from my understanding, and they will not be offered because Telsa can make more money by selling you a Tesla power pack. Only the cybertruck offers bi-directional.
So with regards to home back-up, what difference would it make if the EV was powered by Lithium Ion or LFP batteries?
I'm starting to have buyers remorse about my enphase solar install... no bi directional charger for sale... and enphase batteries haven't gone down in price Even though the cost to make the battery has become much cheaper....
I worry about shortening an EV battery's lifespan. Maybe when solid state batteries are available it will be a better idea.
@@smallmj2886 It's going to be a long time before solid state batteries make it to the market. More to your concern, today's EV battery packs have shown to last longer than scientists thought. Not to mention there is an 8 year or 100,000 mi warranty on all US sold EV battery packs. There are people driving around today with over 200,000 miles on their Tesla with only around 10-15% degradation. For a non-Telsa example, my neighbor bought a used 2017 Nissan Leaf, which has the worst battery pack on the market because there is no thermal management, and their son is able to get to work and back with no issues. The kid is saving thousands of dollars a year because there's no maintenance and no gas.
We've got a brand new Tesla PW3 / GW2 install. Plan is to get new Juniper MY next year once they announce bi-directional across all models, anticipated in 2025. Long Range Model Y = 5+ PW3s...
WHAT IS THE ROUGH COST OF A BIDIRECTIONAL CHARGER?
Good question. Check out Qmerit. They are one of the few companies actually installing them now: qmerit.com/ev/solarsurge/
@@bobpoggi6220You first need to have a vehicle that can allow for bi-directional charging, and you will have to buy the car manufacturers proprietary technology for it to work. There are only like 4 EVs in the US market that offer this feature. Please double check to make sure your car can even offer bi-directional.
I have 160kWh’s of batteries in my garage with my 2 Tesla’s, and would love to have them be a battery back up.
Keep an eye on Emporia Energy who may have one available next year and at very affordable cost: (older video) ruclips.net/video/qzJA3EoW4VU/видео.html and (newer video) ruclips.net/video/Psmvw2GNvB0/видео.html
The Zaptec Go 2 way cheaper than tis option
Any vendors outside tesla doing this
Point Guard is I believe. DC coupled too. I think one of the challenges in US is a standard
Third party vendors I mean