I'm a Pistons fan, so obviously I'm going to listen when Rasheed talks a little bit more than most people. But having said that, I REALLY like this podcast a lot. It's not just "hot takes" for the sake of clicks, they actually breakdown their opinions very well. I gained a ton of respect for Bonzie from the podcast as well.
In Jordan’s era, There was no carrying Or moving/picking up of the pivot foot like Luka does every single possession. There was no taking 3-4 steps for a layup, or picking up the ball just to take 2 steps back THEN shooting a 3. The fundamental rules of the game were strictly enforced. Back in the day it took actual skill to create space to shoot. Nowadays it’s easier than EVER to make it to the league bc it’s a free for all, anything goes. Every games final score is 100+points on both sides bc no REAL defense is being played. Heck Ive even seen the score keepers shaving points nowadays. Back in the day the nba was REAL, now it seems like the wwe and it’s frustrating to watch. Worst thing to happen to the league was the legalization of sports betting, now we know for a fact every game is manipulated in some form or fashion. Smdh. We went from watching shaq literally shatter backboards, to now 7 footers making weak lay ups then flexing & screaming as if they did something 🤣🤦🏾♂️
Correct, However MJbis a bad example; he was the only person back then that was allowed to carry and travel, and then got soft fouls always called mid-career because the NBA hitched their $$$ and viewership on him.
@@jamessanders6788 It was in reference to the title of the video bro, meaning the era Jordan played… but you are correct mj would catch the ball, take a step or 2 THEN dribble… but it’s air Jordan tho 🤷🏾♂️ 🤣🤣🤣🤣 He was up all night drinking and gambling, pull up to the game in a ferrari smoking a cigar. Get in the arena & start pitching quarters/gambling with security and event staff… and still go drop 43 points on REAL defenders. Mj gets a pass 🤣 he earned it
@gamebres-gannicus2060 I don’t recall European players dominating the NBA in the ‘90’s,but I will say that #3 with the New Jersey Nets was money even though he struggled in the beginning at Portland.👀🤣
Bonzi Wells was skilled too, back then 2 guards not only shoot 3s but they post up, shoot the mid range and drive to the basket. New era thinks they are more skilled because they play free, but watch some tape you'll see Bonzi scoring from everywhere and had variety not just shooting standing 3s.
@@younglove3362 you think edwards is more skilled than tmac or kobe? I'll bet my house on a Paul Pierce step back game winner than Tatum's 😂 have you seen Prime Brandon Roy and ask yourself if Devin Booker is better? Aside from the elites like luka, jokic, embiid, giannis, this era has Bam Adebayo as an all star big, while the 2000s had Kg, dirk, Cwebb, Jermaine Oneal, TD. In reality the elites can compete with any era as far as skills but they are making it sound like all of them are more skilled including 2nd and 3rd tier all stars 😂
Take away the allowed traveling carrying double dribbling and pushing off on the Defender bring back hand checking take away defensive 3 an then let's see how skilled this generation really is🤷
@@JayMade_ you say that as if I wasn't calling him an kobe out for carrying with that crossover they started doing that actually got banned, try again goofy theses players have league wide patented violations that you think is skill.
But that’s the thing… his adding but he didn’t actually see any of them play shows he was just messing around. He’s always got that half smile and makes comments like that for fun. “I’m the number 1 on Team USA…. according to me.” He’s not serious.
And before that Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell. Don't make excuse for Edwards. He's foolish. Today's players shoot three's and miss free throws. Also the league is soft and boring.
This generation's definition of skill is getting cute with dribbles and shooting threes, though. That's not skill. That's soft and lazy basketball. Also, I was there when Kobe was young. Nobody went "whoa." We've all seen what he brought from MJ, Penny, Grant Hill, Dominique, Drexler, etc. Edwards could be good one day but he needs to STFU cause he hasn't done anything yet.
@@peterb4428 he also struggled when Shaq left. He scored cause he took 40 shots a game. Things only got better when Phil came back and Gasol was acquired. Matter of fact, the biggest reasons for his 2 rings without Shaq was the Gasol-Bynum-Odom big 3.
So that’s the problem they don’t iso like that. Everything is pick and roll. Nobody can score in an isolation unless it’s against the slower defender. These guys are not more skilled I don’t care what anybody says and I don’t wanna hear that. I’m an old head either I’m a younger guy. People simply just don’t watch basketball like that. I’m a junkie. I watch it all day long. It’s all I study. I’m a pro myself. People are delusional if they think today’s guys are better. The only thing that they are better at is they’re just more three-point shooters and today’s game than there was back then. But today’s guys can’t even hit a shot from the free-throw line or a Bank shot for goodness sake and there is zero footwork let alone any ability to beat a guy off the dribble without a screen Unless he’s slow and tall, like Rudy Gobert or an inferior defender. then were just special. We didn’t know how good we had it back then. Nowadays, a lot of these guys really don’t care about creativity are being the best. They just want the status.
What’s easier chucking up 3s or actually penetrating and scoring on people guarding you inside or the midrange. Anyone can shoot 3s you don’t need to worry about any defense
These guys today have 3 steps "continuation" in the opposite direction of their momentum from when they pick up their dribble. That's not continuation, that's traveling. Imagine trying to be "skillful' without traveling? Imagine going to the basket without getting a whistle blown every time?
From all the leagues out there, the NBA from this era is the most disrespectful when talking about past players. MLB, NFL, NHL, NASCAR, PGA, Tennis, FIFA... heck even boxing (an individual sport that by default you need to think you are the #1) people do not throw 💩 to their past piers. All the contrary they in most of interviews tend to praise and acknowledge past players.
And old basketball players are the only guys that disrespect todays players by saying they couldnt play back then,that they would be scared or that they are soft. Charles Oakley said that Giannis would be a bench player in the 90s.
@@bluedot6926 I’m 37 brodie and I remember 90’s hoops real well and on up🤙🏿James harden and Lebron are the leaders of soft hoops with all there flopping crying and complaining other than that these boys ball but 2 of the main stars and faces of the league with a lot of influence are suckas.this years playoffs was tough physical exciting basketball reminiscent of old school ball
@@Dipset415 They are on their way out of the league. Harden probably isnt even a top 30 player anymore. Now they have Shai to replace Hardens flopping and Luka to replace LeBrons complaining 😂.
It's hard for me to watch the NBA now, especially since I started watching in the mid to late 70s; I agree with Bonzi watching Tim Hardaway or Isaiah Thomas cross someone with 3 or fewer dribbles is better than watching Kyrie try to cross someone with 10 to 15 dribbles; Kyrie can score better then them, but damn he dribbles too much sometimes....
Exactly. Small guards like Isiah Thomas, Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson were serious threats to score and playmake without the benefits of spacing, carrying. They drove the lane knowing they would get hit hard. They would destroy today's defenders with these rules.
Kyrie doesn’t need that many dribbles to create space. Hes actually incredible at how he can create space at his size plus he’s good off the ball. It’s harden and luka who dribble the air out of the ball.
Kyrie was a terrible example. You couldve said Harden, Paul George, or any other guard. But just chose the one thats famous for dribbling to make a point. Maybe the Mavs are your team or something, but you lost me on that one
Mugsy Bogues, Van Exel, Michael Adam’s, Mark Price, Fat Lever , Petrovic, Payton, Isiah Thomas… the list goes on and on.. for being small they must have had some skill
THATS that tough era of basketball everyone was talking about 😂, 5'6 Mugsey bogues played as a starter in the league and you guys wanna act like it was tougher league 😂
@@HeathOverledger a 5'6 guy would never get drafted let alone get minutes in this league 😂 Imagine Mugsey tryna guard 6'9 LeBron, he'd get hunted on defense every second
What's Ant been smokin these days, no skills? Hakeem, Penny Hardaway, Shaq, Barkley, Drexler, Reggie Miller, D. Wilkins, Sprewell, Grant Hill, Payton, Kemp, Rodman, Malone, Stockton and we can go further than that Bird, Magic, Kareem, Dr. J, Moses Malone. What an ignorant thing to say.
Excellent channel !I guess that as a kid Rasheed Wallace was already a student of the game ,he still did it during his excellent NBA career .And it's the case now.One of my favorite players versatile and great skillset
Rebounding is skill Rodman , Barkley , Wallace and more. . Assist is skill Stockton , Isiah , Kidd and more. . Blocking is skill Mutombo , Mourning, Olajuwon Defense is skill Pippen, Payton Russell I don't know what AntMan is Using But it's a hell of a a Drug 😂😂
Wouldn’t it be refreshing if Ant came out and said. “My bad. That was ignorant of me to say. I apologize. We stand on the shoulders of all greats that came before us.”
If the young dudes are so skilled why did they crash out in the Fiba worlds, and then USA basketball had to go get the 3 oldest dudes in the league for the Olympics?
🤣it’s like the Marines…saw a newer guy talking about the Swim Tank, they go in wearing boots and utes but in our days we went in wearing boots and utes, Alice packs, cartridge belts and rifle🤣🤣🤣and helmets
Might be the best comment here. I'm not a Marine at all but from what I gather especially hearing personal testimonies and watching several in depth documentaries, Marines was 50x more gladiatic than the era now because it's more soften
Your the reason people hate old people😂you want things to be harder cause your sorry ass had to deal with it, just like you gotta deal with dying soon cause you’ve not done shit with your life, i’d only you died deployed we wouldn’t have to listen to you cry about everything
The 90’s is when athleticism and skill combined to create the perfect game of bball, what you have now is all athleticism it’s about how high you can jump and dunk
I don't think Ant's comment was meant to be taken literally. I think there was a bigger message he was trying to convey, it just didn't come out right. MJ was considered an anomaly in his era. Even though there were clearly other players with skill, MJ stood out amongst the rest. I think Ant's comment was meant to highlight the evolution of todays game compared to MJ's era. On a side note I think it's hilarious that past players are agitated by this comment, because they constantly call this era soft. I think it's an even trade-off. This era is more skilled but less physical, and the past era was more physical but less skilled.
Critics of contemporary basketball have adopted the term 'plumbers' to disparage current players, drawing parallels with the way individuals in the 1990s ridiculed the 1960s, implying that future generations will similarly mock today's players with analogous labels.
I would like to see these young play the old way just for the summer a few games just so they can get an idea of how easy the game is now for offensive plays.
I believe some of this era’s players are so insecure that they think the only way to build up their current era is to tear down those who came before them. There are current players who have respect for the past eras and their players.
Skilled players from the 90's Jordan, Olajuwon, David Robinson, Barkley, Mark Price, Kevin Johnson, Duncan, Isiah Thomas, John Stockton, Dominique Wilkins, Garnett, Grant Hill, Drexler, Iverson, Rasheed Wallace, Pippen. And those are all-stars.
really by skilled you mean by dribbles and MOVES THAT ARE VIOLATIONS IN ACTUAL BASKETBALL??? IF THATS THE CASE WHY WASN'T SKIP TO MY LOU AN ALLSTAR EVERY YEAR HE PLAYED????
Of course guys like Antman, Tatum and a few others can play in any era, but at the same time they wouldn’t have the same effect back in the 90s. A lot of Allstars today will be role players and a good chunk of these players today would be fringe NBA players.
Lifelong Celtics fan, I love Tatum, watched him get drafted, supported his whole career. But Charles Barkley would steamroll him in the post. And he’d be barkin and intimidate Tatum so his jumpers he relies on would not be falling the same. The constant physicality and trash talk would definitely affect Tatum more than tatums game affecting Barkley or the outcome of the game. Oh yeah and round mound is grabbing 20 boards.
@@ehunt I’d like to think he could too just not as consistently. I’ve seen him jack up shots and go scoreless for quarters and I’d imagine it’d be worse with someone like Scottie pippen guarding him.
The Olympics proved how our players did against rules allowed the defense to guard a lot more physically. They struggled at times. That being said I think USA did get called differently too. They called fouls many times when they were just playing with the physicality and a lot of no calls when they would get hammered. It did show that our players were not used to that physical defense although I think this years playoffs were the most physical I've seen in many years. Will this be what we can expect this year and going forward? I hope so, because I think the NBA was too focused on offense for too many years. Last year was a return to strong physical defenses. Sadly I think that what helped Minnesota beat Denver, I love Denver but them having a short bench really hurt them this past year. They were too wore down by Minnesota s physical defense. I was hoping they would make more moves in the off-season. I can't see Denver winning a championship again until they upgrade their bench or these young players develop a lot quicker. Jokic is my favorite player so I hope they figure it out. MPJ needs to finally step up into his potential. He could be an all-star or potentially all NBA if he played upto his potential. With his salary he has to or Denver will have to move him eventually.
Yall bringing up a lot of people that came after Jordan 💯💯😂he grown as hell we can’t have our own opinion nomore without grown men getting in they feelings
This face of the league thing which is being pushed is garbage, he isn't the face of the league ,he won't be for a long time ,morant coming back ,jokic ,luka,tatum,the Greek freak,Steph still playing ,durant still playing and there are others ,pump the break on that
The ONLY thing that this era is more skilled in is shooting percentage from 17 feet and beyond but the absolute green light EVERY player now has to shoot those shots easily contributes half of those percentage points because they have no consequences for missing shots that previous eras considered very low percentage shots
I don't see any big man now with the moves of kareem,mchale, akeem . Now they jack 3s, jog back on d, don't crash boards ,travel . ....u really had to play as a team to win in 60s,70s,80s
I think Ant was misunderstood about NBA Basketball back in the 80s and 90s. He mentioned that MJ is the standout from the other players. Every single one of them. Michael had a smooth midrange jumper, excellent layups, incredible finger rolls, outstanding putbacks, amazing fadeaways, unstoppable athleticism and acrobatic plays with vicious dunks. He's the GOAT, of course he is going to stick out from the rest. Ant knows the rest of the NBA are high quality players that are the best in the world. But he's comparing MJ to the them.
Honestly, Antman reminds me of Derrick Anderson back in the day, solid Guard, full of potential and has Superstar material.. but never won, never an all star back in the day
Tot disagree with the Ant Man.The Guts today are more Athletic, but less fundamental offensively and Defensively Too many to name besides Michael Jordan:Isiah Thomas, Majic Johnson, Larry Bird,Sidney Moncrief, Hakeem Olajuwon, skilled, no lead Management, 30 three pointers a game!The game was too physicall in the 80's and 90's!
They are just jumping...... apart from the step back 3, what move was developed in this era?.....who has a signature move in this era?.......Dreamshake, skyhook, smithy, fadeaway jumper,......just to mention a few......🙄
The truth is today's players are more skilled than 90's players and that is a fact. BUT more skilled player doesn't necessarily mean better player. If I'm gonna make up an nba team, I would pick Giannis over Embid any day of the week even though Embid is more skilled than Giannis.
If Luka can dominate in today's game...imagine how much Larry Bird would dominate today! Bird was faster, an even more skilled shooter and passer than Luka...plus Bird's defense was underrated. Plus, Bird's trash talking would mentally devastate today's players.
Back in high school coaches would not let u dribble more than 5 times B4 yo ass either shooting or passing. Refs were blowing the whistle on a jump stop. They are allowing more in the game.
They don't enforce any dribbling or traveling rules today. Sure, they shoot the three better today, but the inside game was lightyears better back then. Additionally, you could hand check, grab, knock people down, etc... It's soooo soft today. f these guys today played back then they would get called for palming traveling every play. They would get destroyed defensively and physically.
Anthony Edwards fail to realise mj played in a era when NBA was part basketball part WWE wrestling just to get to the basket without a injury was a skill all by itself
People got to understand (and remember) kids will say dumb things. Kids will say a lot of dumb things. Everybody said and did dumb things in their early 20s. Give kids some slack and don't take them so seriously (until they win something).
if a modern soldier brings his weapons and time travels to a war in the 18th century, of course he would dominate....things/skillset evolve just like the game...a 99th percentile player would be 99th percentile in any era.
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I'm a Pistons fan, so obviously I'm going to listen when Rasheed talks a little bit more than most people. But having said that, I REALLY like this podcast a lot. It's not just "hot takes" for the sake of clicks, they actually breakdown their opinions very well. I gained a ton of respect for Bonzie from the podcast as well.
In Jordan’s era, There was no carrying Or moving/picking up of the pivot foot like Luka does every single possession. There was no taking 3-4 steps for a layup, or picking up the ball just to take 2 steps back THEN shooting a 3. The fundamental rules of the game were strictly enforced. Back in the day it took actual skill to create space to shoot. Nowadays it’s easier than EVER to make it to the league bc it’s a free for all, anything goes. Every games final score is 100+points on both sides bc no REAL defense is being played. Heck Ive even seen the score keepers shaving points nowadays. Back in the day the nba was REAL, now it seems like the wwe and it’s frustrating to watch. Worst thing to happen to the league was the legalization of sports betting, now we know for a fact every game is manipulated in some form or fashion. Smdh. We went from watching shaq literally shatter backboards, to now 7 footers making weak lay ups then flexing & screaming as if they did something 🤣🤦🏾♂️
Correct, However MJbis a bad example; he was the only person back then that was allowed to carry and travel, and then got soft fouls always called mid-career because the NBA hitched their $$$ and viewership on him.
@@jamessanders6788 It was in reference to the title of the video bro, meaning the era Jordan played… but you are correct mj would catch the ball, take a step or 2 THEN dribble… but it’s air Jordan tho 🤷🏾♂️ 🤣🤣🤣🤣 He was up all night drinking and gambling, pull up to the game in a ferrari smoking a cigar. Get in the arena & start pitching quarters/gambling with security and event staff… and still go drop 43 points on REAL defenders. Mj gets a pass 🤣 he earned it
Even Luka said it is easier to score in the NBA than in Europe 😂
SMH
😂😂 But these young kids won’t admit the rules are catered to offense.
@@aaronlampkin284that's they way it was since michael jordan came did you know rules were changed so that michael can dominate??
@gamebres-gannicus2060 I don’t recall European players dominating the NBA in the ‘90’s,but I will say that #3 with the New Jersey Nets was money even though he struggled in the beginning at Portland.👀🤣
but luka has a point cause of the rules. but antman's comment is purely idiotic
Read the first sentence of the quote!! Antman started by proclaiming that he never watched old school basketball! He admits he has no idea.
who wants to watch no skill ball😂
Bonzi Wells was skilled too, back then 2 guards not only shoot 3s but they post up, shoot the mid range and drive to the basket. New era thinks they are more skilled because they play free, but watch some tape you'll see Bonzi scoring from everywhere and had variety not just shooting standing 3s.
Stop, they are definitely more skilled today.
@younglove3362 I disagree the fundamentals are lost
Hes a plumber
He was a fireman
@@younglove3362 you think edwards is more skilled than tmac or kobe? I'll bet my house on a Paul Pierce step back game winner than Tatum's 😂 have you seen Prime Brandon Roy and ask yourself if Devin Booker is better? Aside from the elites like luka, jokic, embiid, giannis, this era has Bam Adebayo as an all star big, while the 2000s had Kg, dirk, Cwebb, Jermaine Oneal, TD. In reality the elites can compete with any era as far as skills but they are making it sound like all of them are more skilled including 2nd and 3rd tier all stars 😂
Take away the allowed traveling carrying double dribbling and pushing off on the Defender bring back hand checking take away defensive 3 an then let's see how skilled this generation really is🤷
Most players will be dropping like flies 😂😂😂
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you mean travel like ai used to do every dribble?
@@JayMade_ you say that as if I wasn't calling him an kobe out for carrying with that crossover they started doing that actually got banned, try again goofy theses players have league wide patented violations that you think is skill.
That's why Ant and Ja will never win anything, they're already too full of themselves and they haven't done anything yet.
And you sound like a triggered person stuck in Nostalgia.
agree.
@@Cdub177 triggered much snow flake ❄️
Lmao how did Ja get thrown in this??? Get that hate out your heart.
@@younglove3362 mad sissy?
Steve Smith, Hersey Hawkins, Rex Chapman, Latrell Sprewell
Ant couldn't guard Allan Houston. He's delusional...
I think it's safe to say that Anthony isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
Gota give the whole quote. He also said he never watched which disqualifes him from commenting 😂😂 #HesWrong
Yeah. He gave a hot take. He'll learn. He should have just said: "I didn't watch a lot of games from the past, so I can't speak on it."
@@Davivd2 exactly 💯
@@Davivd2Exactly, but he had diarrhea at the mouth and kept going. Hopefully he learned.
exactly
But that’s the thing… his adding but he didn’t actually see any of them play shows he was just messing around. He’s always got that half smile and makes comments like that for fun. “I’m the number 1 on Team USA…. according to me.” He’s not serious.
during the 70s and 80 you had guys averaging over 30 points a game without shooting many 3s, how many players today can make that claim.
There no Sheed,Duncan,Dave Robinson ,Hakeem, Shaq,Ewing
In the lane that's why they think there no skills
To easy to score
Underrated comment
True
Right I been saying this, they have a defensive 3 seconds. It water down the talent 💯💯💯
And before that Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell. Don't make excuse for Edwards. He's foolish. Today's players shoot three's and miss free throws. Also the league is soft and boring.
@@rogerwilliams5382fr they should fight mid game you old dumb fuck
This generation's definition of skill is getting cute with dribbles and shooting threes, though. That's not skill. That's soft and lazy basketball. Also, I was there when Kobe was young. Nobody went "whoa." We've all seen what he brought from MJ, Penny, Grant Hill, Dominique, Drexler, etc. Edwards could be good one day but he needs to STFU cause he hasn't done anything yet.
He is not very talented
Not one thing.
Good comment. You’re right, Kobe struggled when he first got to the league. And who did he learn from?
@@peterb4428 he also struggled when Shaq left. He scored cause he took 40 shots a game. Things only got better when Phil came back and Gasol was acquired. Matter of fact, the biggest reasons for his 2 rings without Shaq was the Gasol-Bynum-Odom big 3.
so if you cant stop a player you foul them and hit them call it "defense"🤣🤣🤣🤣 and yall call it "skilled"🤣🤣🤣🤣
G-hill,penny hardaway,a.i, t-mac, tinsley,rod Strickland
And the list goes on
Magic
Bird
Barkley
Hakeem
Clyde
Stockton
Thomas
Worthy
Vince
Allen
Richmond
Weber
Etc
Shawn Kemp was doing what Edward’s doing 30 years ago.
Rod Strickland is overlooked so often.
@@occam5375 Woudl get cooked today😂
They can keep telling me these guys are better at basketball but I don’t see it. How is waiting to iso or shoot a 3 more skilled basketball?
Being able to ISO with a 3 step backwards "continuation" lol. It's literally traveling and they think it's skill.
All they did was iso back in the day all the way up till the 2010s
Yall are blind.
So that’s the problem they don’t iso like that. Everything is pick and roll. Nobody can score in an isolation unless it’s against the slower defender. These guys are not more skilled I don’t care what anybody says and I don’t wanna hear that. I’m an old head either I’m a younger guy. People simply just don’t watch basketball like that. I’m a junkie. I watch it all day long. It’s all I study. I’m a pro myself. People are delusional if they think today’s guys are better. The only thing that they are better at is they’re just more three-point shooters and today’s game than there was back then. But today’s guys can’t even hit a shot from the free-throw line or a Bank shot for goodness sake and there is zero footwork let alone any ability to beat a guy off the dribble without a screen Unless he’s slow and tall, like Rudy Gobert or an inferior defender. then were just special. We didn’t know how good we had it back then. Nowadays, a lot of these guys really don’t care about creativity are being the best. They just want the status.
@@jdizzy5044Lies
WELLS SAID EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS. And no I’m not an old head so save it playa
What’s easier chucking up 3s or actually penetrating and scoring on people guarding you inside or the midrange. Anyone can shoot 3s you don’t need to worry about any defense
These guys today have 3 steps "continuation" in the opposite direction of their momentum from when they pick up their dribble. That's not continuation, that's traveling. Imagine trying to be "skillful' without traveling? Imagine going to the basket without getting a whistle blown every time?
Precisely!
The NBA BEEN A JOKE.
It takes MORE skill to succeed in an era with physical defense, hand-checking, and refs that actually call travelling and dribbling violations.
Sit down, Ant. Sorry they don't replay this shit on TikTok for you 😅😅
😂😅
sit down old ass😂Jordan would be jaylen brown if he was in the league today
I dont take a generation serious that wears skinny jeans and doesnt know what a women is!!
It's disgusting when you talk bad about your own kind. He's an embarrassment.
If you’re regarding race it has nothing to do with that he just gave a ignorant opinion that’s false that’s all
that is ridiculous. Antman talked bad about TWO DECADES of players first. his kind AND not his kind..
@@soramirez5473more like thirty plus but the point still stands.
@@HeathOverledger even more to my point and yea he shytted on the 80s-2000s.. 30 years of skill less ball..
I lost all respect for Ant after these foolish comments smh
From all the leagues out there, the NBA from this era is the most disrespectful when talking about past players.
MLB, NFL, NHL, NASCAR, PGA, Tennis, FIFA... heck even boxing (an individual sport that by default you need to think you are the #1) people do not throw 💩 to their past piers. All the contrary they in most of interviews tend to praise and acknowledge past players.
Undisciplined young ninjas that’s why
@@Dipset415 And maleducated
And old basketball players are the only guys that disrespect todays players by saying they couldnt play back then,that they would be scared or that they are soft. Charles Oakley said that Giannis would be a bench player in the 90s.
@@bluedot6926 I’m 37 brodie and I remember 90’s hoops real well and on up🤙🏿James harden and Lebron are the leaders of soft hoops with all there flopping crying and complaining other than that these boys ball but 2 of the main stars and faces of the league with a lot of influence are suckas.this years playoffs was tough physical exciting basketball reminiscent of old school ball
@@Dipset415 They are on their way out of the league. Harden probably isnt even a top 30 player anymore. Now they have Shai to replace Hardens flopping and Luka to replace LeBrons complaining 😂.
It's hard for me to watch the NBA now, especially since I started watching in the mid to late 70s; I agree with Bonzi watching Tim Hardaway or Isaiah Thomas cross someone with 3 or fewer dribbles is better than watching Kyrie try to cross someone with 10 to 15 dribbles; Kyrie can score better then them, but damn he dribbles too much sometimes....
Exactly. Small guards like Isiah Thomas, Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson were serious threats to score and playmake without the benefits of spacing, carrying. They drove the lane knowing they would get hit hard. They would destroy today's defenders with these rules.
Kyrie harden Paul George 😒bra 3 dribbles or pass the rock
Kyrie doesn’t need that many dribbles to create space. Hes actually incredible at how he can create space at his size plus he’s good off the ball. It’s harden and luka who dribble the air out of the ball.
Kyrie was a terrible example. You couldve said Harden, Paul George, or any other guard. But just chose the one thats famous for dribbling to make a point. Maybe the Mavs are your team or something, but you lost me on that one
I always knew Anthony Edwards was gonna get annoying AF
Mugsy Bogues, Van Exel, Michael Adam’s, Mark Price, Fat Lever , Petrovic, Payton, Isiah Thomas… the list goes on and on.. for being small they must have had some skill
THATS that tough era of basketball everyone was talking about 😂, 5'6 Mugsey bogues played as a starter in the league and you guys wanna act like it was tougher league 😂
@@sazidsheik9419You don’t know enough about the sport young blood. You should sit this one out and educate yourself more.
@@HeathOverledger a 5'6 guy would never get drafted let alone get minutes in this league 😂
Imagine Mugsey tryna guard 6'9 LeBron, he'd get hunted on defense every second
@@sazidsheik9419 5'3 actually
@@theinktician ain't no way bruh
HE WAS 5'3!?
How he play 14 seasons in the NBA?
What's Ant been smokin these days, no skills? Hakeem, Penny Hardaway, Shaq, Barkley, Drexler, Reggie Miller, D. Wilkins, Sprewell, Grant Hill, Payton, Kemp, Rodman, Malone, Stockton and we can go further than that Bird, Magic, Kareem, Dr. J, Moses Malone. What an ignorant thing to say.
Glad to see Bonzie
I loved when Portland sported the Trinidad uniforms🇹🇹😍
Finally... Bonzi got it...
Excellent channel !I guess that as a kid Rasheed Wallace was already a student of the game ,he still did it during his excellent NBA career .And it's the case now.One of my favorite players versatile and great skillset
Rebounding is skill
Rodman , Barkley , Wallace and more. .
Assist is skill
Stockton , Isiah , Kidd and more. .
Blocking is skill
Mutombo , Mourning, Olajuwon
Defense is skill
Pippen, Payton Russell
I don't know what AntMan is Using
But it's a hell of a a Drug 😂😂
Ant is a fool.
Wouldn’t it be refreshing if Ant came out and said.
“My bad. That was ignorant of me to say. I apologize. We stand on the shoulders of all greats that came before us.”
@@occam5375Why would he? 60-90s fucking suck and Ant is 10x better than them already
If the young dudes are so skilled why did they crash out in the Fiba worlds, and then USA basketball had to go get the 3 oldest dudes in the league for the Olympics?
I don’t know why your podcast has little viewers while you guys are truer than most of the podcasts nowadays
Soft touch foul defense of today is the reason why players are MORE SKILLED. 😂. This is a cotton soft era compared to 80 90s
Soft as baby sh.t.
Soft and boring 🚮
You want to foul niggas cause your not good enough to play defense is crazy😂
How many years has it been since a ref called carrying? Traveling on a 5 step stepback? Rules have changed to allow 'skill'
🤣it’s like the Marines…saw a newer guy talking about the Swim Tank, they go in wearing boots and utes but in our days we went in wearing boots and utes, Alice packs, cartridge belts and rifle🤣🤣🤣and helmets
Might be the best comment here. I'm not a Marine at all but from what I gather especially hearing personal testimonies and watching several in depth documentaries, Marines was 50x more gladiatic than the era now because it's more soften
Your the reason people hate old people😂you want things to be harder cause your sorry ass had to deal with it, just like you gotta deal with dying soon cause you’ve not done shit with your life, i’d only you died deployed we wouldn’t have to listen to you cry about everything
Hey its Bonzi Wells!
The 90’s is when athleticism and skill combined to create the perfect game of bball, what you have now is all athleticism it’s about how high you can jump and dunk
BONZI WELLS was very skillful and can do anything on the court.
I don't think Ant's comment was meant to be taken literally. I think there was a bigger message he was trying to convey, it just didn't come out right. MJ was considered an anomaly in his era. Even though there were clearly other players with skill, MJ stood out amongst the rest. I think Ant's comment was meant to highlight the evolution of todays game compared to MJ's era. On a side note I think it's hilarious that past players are agitated by this comment, because they constantly call this era soft. I think it's an even trade-off. This era is more skilled but less physical, and the past era was more physical but less skilled.
@@queyoung6597 ur crazy.. how is the post more skilled and these bigs is staying on the perimeter shooting up bs
@@AlejandroRease You’re illiterate. When did I ever mention post play?
I'm 39 yrs old n I'm a fan of 80s n 90s NBA when it was a man's game when every team didn't score over 100 pts a game
it's like Antman saying Penny Hardaway wasn't skilled?
Ant had Jet lag when he said that lol
ya was not shooting step back 3s from logo please cut it out
Bonzi be speaking facts.........most of the time 😂
Bonzi speaking facts, while Sheed probably baked shaking his knees
Critics of contemporary basketball have adopted the term 'plumbers' to disparage current players, drawing parallels with the way individuals in the 1990s ridiculed the 1960s, implying that future generations will similarly mock today's players with analogous labels.
I would like to see these young play the old way just for the summer a few games just so they can get an idea of how easy the game is now for offensive plays.
I believe some of this era’s players are so insecure that they think the only way to build up their current era is to tear down those who came before them. There are current players who have respect for the past eras and their players.
Skilled players from the 90's Jordan, Olajuwon, David Robinson, Barkley, Mark Price, Kevin Johnson, Duncan, Isiah Thomas, John Stockton, Dominique Wilkins, Garnett, Grant Hill, Drexler, Iverson, Rasheed Wallace, Pippen. And those are all-stars.
These guys don't have more skills. The rules allow them to do things guys did on the streets back in the day
And 1 basketball began in our Era we had skilled player's.
really by skilled you mean by dribbles and MOVES THAT ARE VIOLATIONS IN ACTUAL BASKETBALL??? IF THATS THE CASE WHY WASN'T SKIP TO MY LOU AN ALLSTAR EVERY YEAR HE PLAYED????
Young lads should watch this
Players rather step back behind 3 point line then step forward for mid range jumper 😂 i cant it hurts my brain
Of course guys like Antman, Tatum and a few others can play in any era, but at the same time they wouldn’t have the same effect back in the 90s. A lot of Allstars today will be role players and a good chunk of these players today would be fringe NBA players.
They wouldn’t last in the 90s n 00s
Lifelong Celtics fan, I love Tatum, watched him get drafted, supported his whole career. But Charles Barkley would steamroll him in the post. And he’d be barkin and intimidate Tatum so his jumpers he relies on would not be falling the same. The constant physicality and trash talk would definitely affect Tatum more than tatums game affecting Barkley or the outcome of the game. Oh yeah and round mound is grabbing 20 boards.
@@xl8751 Yeah, it was a different era and a different game.
@@xl8751 jason tatum is putting up 40 on anybody you think about putting on him lol
@@ehunt I’d like to think he could too just not as consistently. I’ve seen him jack up shots and go scoreless for quarters and I’d imagine it’d be worse with someone like Scottie pippen guarding him.
The Olympics proved how our players did against rules allowed the defense to guard a lot more physically. They struggled at times. That being said I think USA did get called differently too. They called fouls many times when they were just playing with the physicality and a lot of no calls when they would get hammered. It did show that our players were not used to that physical defense although I think this years playoffs were the most physical I've seen in many years. Will this be what we can expect this year and going forward? I hope so, because I think the NBA was too focused on offense for too many years. Last year was a return to strong physical defenses. Sadly I think that what helped Minnesota beat Denver, I love Denver but them having a short bench really hurt them this past year. They were too wore down by Minnesota s physical defense. I was hoping they would make more moves in the off-season. I can't see Denver winning a championship again until they upgrade their bench or these young players develop a lot quicker. Jokic is my favorite player so I hope they figure it out. MPJ needs to finally step up into his potential. He could be an all-star or potentially all NBA if he played upto his potential. With his salary he has to or Denver will have to move him eventually.
Yall bringing up a lot of people that came after Jordan 💯💯😂he grown as hell we can’t have our own opinion nomore without grown men getting in they feelings
Nah yall just dumb as the fuq sometimes and you don't take well to someone telling you about it. Whatever helps you sleep at night though 😂
This face of the league thing which is being pushed is garbage, he isn't the face of the league ,he won't be for a long time ,morant coming back ,jokic ,luka,tatum,the Greek freak,Steph still playing ,durant still playing and there are others ,pump the break on that
Sheed is my guy, but he contributes to this as well. Saying Mike doesn’t play defense is an example.
The ONLY thing that this era is more skilled in is shooting percentage from 17 feet and beyond but the absolute green light EVERY player now has to shoot those shots easily contributes half of those percentage points because they have no consequences for missing shots that previous eras considered very low percentage shots
Love your stuff SHEED!!! I made an album called ball dont lie
You mean back when they weren’t constantly traveling and carrying the ball, chucking up 3’s every other possession? That “no skill”??
I don't see any big man now with the moves of kareem,mchale, akeem . Now they jack 3s, jog back on d, don't crash boards ,travel . ....u really had to play as a team to win in 60s,70s,80s
Imagine saying Penny Hardaway wasnt skilled 🤦♂️.
Bonzi Wells would have given today's players buckets. Facts. When you know you know.
They changed the rules to make it easier to score and its way less physical
I really liked Edwards too
Shawn Kemp was doing what Edward’s doing 30 years ago
That sectional is cold blooded
You cannot mention magic Johnson without Larry the legend goatus saurus rex...😅
I think Ant was misunderstood about NBA Basketball back in the 80s and 90s. He mentioned that MJ is the standout from the other players. Every single one of them. Michael had a smooth midrange jumper, excellent layups, incredible finger rolls, outstanding putbacks, amazing fadeaways, unstoppable athleticism and acrobatic plays with vicious dunks. He's the GOAT, of course he is going to stick out from the rest. Ant knows the rest of the NBA are high quality players that are the best in the world. But he's comparing MJ to the them.
MJ cried for fouls and Pippen to help him win anything
Derrick mckie who is that 😂😂😂
Prime Penny Hardaway would demolish antman in the post alone 😅
Honestly, Antman reminds me of Derrick Anderson back in the day, solid Guard, full of potential and has Superstar material.. but never won, never an all star back in the day
wild😭that bum is not close to ant
I was becoming a fan of ANT but now I hope he don't win shit ever
Tot disagree with the Ant Man.The Guts today are more Athletic, but less fundamental offensively and Defensively
Too many to name besides Michael Jordan:Isiah Thomas, Majic Johnson, Larry Bird,Sidney Moncrief, Hakeem Olajuwon, skilled, no lead Management, 30 three pointers a game!The game was too physicall in the 80's and 90's!
The only thing these players now do different is dribble the ball better nothing else
No skill? Sheed and Bonzi both had mad skills...heck, if they were drafted today, both of then would still thrive on today's NBA
And what exactly has he done in the NBA again
They are just jumping...... apart from the step back 3, what move was developed in this era?.....who has a signature move in this era?.......Dreamshake, skyhook, smithy, fadeaway jumper,......just to mention a few......🙄
The truth is today's players are more skilled than 90's players and that is a fact. BUT more skilled player doesn't necessarily mean better player. If I'm gonna make up an nba team, I would pick Giannis over Embid any day of the week even though Embid is more skilled than Giannis.
Prime Kobe, TMAC, AI and Vince would DESTROY Ant
No skills is crazy..
Crazy I agree with ant
If Luka can dominate in today's game...imagine how much Larry Bird would dominate today! Bird was faster, an even more skilled shooter and passer than Luka...plus Bird's defense was underrated. Plus, Bird's trash talking would mentally devastate today's players.
Back in high school coaches would not let u dribble more than 5 times B4 yo ass either shooting or passing. Refs were blowing the whistle on a jump stop. They are allowing more in the game.
They don't enforce any dribbling or traveling rules today. Sure, they shoot the three better today, but the inside game was lightyears better back then. Additionally, you could hand check, grab, knock people down, etc... It's soooo soft today. f these guys today played back then they would get called for palming traveling every play. They would get destroyed defensively and physically.
So wilt Chamberlain Kareem bird magic Barkley Iverson. No talent or skill
Jordan would embarrass Edwards, including even in physical and athletic prowess. What a foolish thing to say.
Anthony Edwards fail to realise mj played in a era when NBA was part basketball part WWE wrestling just to get to the basket without a injury was a skill all by itself
I knew it, Magic had no skills he was a 6'9" point guard way too tall😮
This guy just put himself a target on his own back for no reason. Hope they don’t hurt him out of the season
People got to understand (and remember) kids will say dumb things. Kids will say a lot of dumb things. Everybody said and did dumb things in their early 20s. Give kids some slack and don't take them so seriously (until they win something).
Crazy how a young kid hasn’t won, almost like Jordan before he cried for a superteam
A shooting guard like Allan Houston would tear him apart and I'd laugh my ass off...
That kid(ant mant) had somebody to tell him how to respect.
member reed vs alcindor with reed playing like it dont matter you twice as tall as me i am a wall and you aint getin around it!!!!!!
if a modern soldier brings his weapons and time travels to a war in the 18th century, of course he would dominate....things/skillset evolve just like the game...a 99th percentile player would be 99th percentile in any era.
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