Harvey Weinstein Epitomizes Rape Culture | Feminist Fridays
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When people say " America doesn't have a rape culture go to country X and then you'll see a rape culture." It's like responding to me trying to put out a fire on my stove and saying "that's not a fire because there are houses that are more on fire"
I recommend this video for people who think worse problems somehow erase other problems.
Fallacy of Relative Privation - by Harry Ray: ruclips.net/video/ZwEgmPpS650/видео.html
someone lastname
Inaccurate comparison. A better one would be like you complaining that a house full of smoke alarms and sprinkler systems is a fire hazard, and people are telling you to go check out that huge pile of gasoline tanks, fireworks, and lit acetylene torches in the Middle East.
Joel Kotto
Ah, so the definition of rape culture has absolutely sod all to do with rape.
What an interesting hyperbole feminists are getting riled up about.
Axl Dave. Those instances, to some extent, are part of rape culture because you're *still violating* someone's body for your own *sexual* pleasure and interest *without their consent* and if you *get away* with it, because you're powerful enough, it's awful and inherently wrong. That's the way rape culture works. It's not that hard to understand!!!!
Joel Kotto
Oh okay, so every teenage boy that has a wet dream about a girl in his class is now a dirty, vile, abusive rapist who deserves to be castrated, tortured, and imprisoned for life.
Well, I'm so glad we're all keeping a rational head about these issues. Just so long as we have a way to demonise and subjugate men for having sexual desires.
Filthy perverts, trying to satisfy the most natural core drive in any living organism. Who do they think they are, eh?
I didn't see Gwynyth Paltrow's or Seth MacFarlane's or Courtney Love's jokes were coming from a humorous place. They all seemed like they were saying the truth about Weinstein out of a place of anger and/or warning to other women. What gets me is that people DID speak about this publicly, on the record, for decades, and nobody did anything but laugh and shrug it off.
weehawk Exactly! We shouldn't be giving those celebrities crap because they at least tried to speak out about it in the small ways that they could. I'm more annoyed with the celebrities coming out now and saying things like "I'm not surprised", when they were completely silent about it before.
Weird, i'm more angry at the guy that actually did the rapes than the victims who came forward.
Ireallyreally Hategoogle Who was saying that?
"I'm more annoyed with the celebrities coming out now"
You did.
Ireallyreally Hategoogle I said I was more annoyed at those celebrities coming out now than the ones who made comments about it previously. That was the comparison I made when i said "more annoyed". I'm still directing 99% of my anger towards the perpetrators of rape. It really doesn't help the situation to try and twist people's words and cause arguments, when that's clearly not what I meant.
Fukin amazing video. This is the industry I'm entering and it's disturbing that it can be so vile. I remember being warned by a director about Kevin Spacey when I was a teenager considering auditioning for a project of his; people knew about that too.
And it's not even like these people mention Saudi Arabia out of genuine concern; they mention it is a "gotcha", as with most other issues they bring up as counterarguments in other scenarios. They never want to talk about these issues in earnest; they just want feminists to shut up.
I mean... 1) the fact that you use the term "feminazis" makes me immediately disinclined to take you seriously and 2) the reason you just gave is still an attempt at a "gotcha" argument. You don't care about actually fighting on behalf of oppressed people, you care about shutting down feminists.
Because you aren't concerned about these issues but only want to paint white westerners as evil yet give 0 shits about women in the arab world. The hypocrite here is you
This is SUCH a good video! The most upsetting thing is that you here are so many people like him in the industry, and watch how no one is going to do anything about them.
It's sickening that when someone without power does something wrong they get punished at the first opportunity but when someone who does have power does something they get away with it for a long time. That's the kind of crap that happens in a culture that goes by the "will to power" rather than the golden rule, kindness etc.
It always saddens me when someone doesn't believe this is real just because they've been lucky enough to not have it happen to them.
4:35 yeah and when was the last time those people did anything to help women in Saudi Arabia instead of using them as a “gotcha” to silence other women? Oh wait...never.
Sunshine Honey
That's because they aren't the ones supposedly fighting for women's rights.
It's awfully easy to fight for rights when you already have more than men. I guess "stamping out the patriarchy" will just have to wait until the patriarchy makes it easier to do so, huh?
The fact that every industry has a problem like this is insidious. I am a woman, who had the goal to one day work in the movie industry, writing industry and some others, but seeing this makes me afraid to even think of it. Also, the people who bring up ''women in Saudi Arabia'' and ''children in Africa'' are liars, because they don't actually care about any of those people, they are using them as an argument to silence speaking on topics they are not comfortable with. Worth a mention, is this post on Tumblr, that goes along the lines of ''I can care about two things at the same time.' Meanwhile the problem in Saudi Arabia needs to be dealt with, that does not mean we cannot speak on American issues. Another post worth mentioning was, something about a woman who does live in one of these countries and being told ''well at least you were not forced into marriage,'' and another woman she knows being told ''be glad your husband does not pour acid in your face.'' This is an abusive tactic used to guilt trip and shame victims.
You totally nailed it With this one! It's not about those other places at all, it's just a Way to say "shut up, you shouldn't be talking about this problem". Just because the problem is bigger somewhere else, it doesn't make it not be a problem here too. Plus, it really annoys me that these people think we're supposed to set the bar really low.
-littlepinkskeleton My problem is the word to too strong and it doesn't leave any room for situations that are worse. By its definition, YES i believe we live in a rape culture. Then I ask myself. If we live in a rape culture what do you call the culture in the middle east? You can't call it rape culture. What do you call it? If you can't solve a problem if it doesn't have a name. What name is given to the situation of women in the middle east.
I think if they move the definition of rape culture to sexual assault culture it would be more widely accepted. Then we can call the middle east a rape culture.
Our planet has multiple rape cultures. There's no "escape clause" for the USA. Consider the role of deniers, whether or not it's clearly their intention. Denial has very few practical outcomes: to support ignorance on the subject and to maintain the conditions or status quo. At the same time, it probably is useful to use language around certain people that's harder to misconstrue. But that can become impractical. You see, when we use smaller or different words, we have to use more of them. If it's not rape culture, then it's a culture that allows rape and protects rapists. "Damn, that's true! ...Wait, that sounds like a... rapist culture. Rapism? Oh, rape culture. Oops that thing I didn't like the name of a minute ago."
Just explain the misunderstandings until a light goes on. The term "rape culture" does not mean that our entire culture is about rape, but denying the factual reality of rape culture gives that notion much more credence.
If some of these ppl were honest, they would tell you something like, "C'mon, I'm not sexist, it's just that women don't always use sound reason or judgment. They invent or see things that don't exist."
It's gaslighting. Oppression couldn't persist without getting the oppressed to do some of the work. That's not victim blaming, by the way. It's simply manipulation. We all get manipulated. Rule one of manipulation: cover your tracks. Rule two: lower their guard, constantly. It's part con game. Notice how we don't know how dangerous a predator is until it's too late, or even far far after it was too late? It's how all these systems screw us over. Power trips, objectification, sadism, gaslighting: it all fits together, and all of us are caught in a system that's usually very hard to see. When you say, "That sounds like wacko conspiracy theory stuff", that's a complete misunderstanding of what conspiracies usually are. The most successful conspiracies aren't planned in meetings or even via email. Those in power are already playing the game. No verbal or even conscious collusion is required, much less advisable. The most damaging conspiracies are silent and they're probably all connected. It's exactly like the Matrix. For now, the system is better evolved than the humans operating it and the humans caught in it. If you truly disbelieve that there is a system, then don't begin with the postulate of ignorance: "There's no such thing as X." That's a dead end and puts you straight out of contention, and it robs you of power. Instead, begin analytical debate. Say, "If X does exist, then why/how/what/who/when/where...?" Saying that a given item doesn't exist is either ignorance or an attempt to cover or deflect. This is on the level of logic. An actual refutation must begin, can only begin with postulating its existence and then disproving the possibility or interpretation of evidence.
If there were a rape culture, then rape would go unreported and unprosecuted, regardless of who the victims are, including men. So, if someone is going to cast women as delusional, they should look at statistics from men about men being raped. Rape of men is also underreported and underprosecuted. Note that nobody said that men were in complete control of rape culture, ever. Majority control? That does seem to be the case, but also very significant sufferers of it, particularly considering rape in prisons. Rape is the result of both individual and cultural pathologies. Parts of our culture excuse, hide, and deny the existence and prevalence of rape. Rape at the hands of men and women of men and women, rape of children by adults, and sadly the rape of children by children. Adolescents do rape adolescents. Consent cannot be given to something which is not understood, something that has no intelligibility or moral coherence.
Also, the phrase "rape culture" isn't used to categorize our entire culture. Every country and every community has multiple cultures, subcultures, etc. It's more like an infection, like a bacterial culture.
It's worth noting that there are subcultural contexts in the U.S. where rape and date rape are so prevalent that the term "rape culture" is so appropriate as to be unavoidable and factually neither debatable nor controversial. Unfortunately, one such subculture is that of college fraternities and sororities. If you look up any recent prevailing statistics, the situation is clear: lots more rape. If I had joined a fraternity in college, I would have been three times more likely to be a rapist, ok statistically, not in actuality. And still, we should ask, "Does the culture within fraternities encourage rape, or do rapists tend to join fraternities?" What if it's both? It clearly seems to be a cycle of perpetuation, that is, a culture. In any case, a non rapist in most fraternities would not only be friends with multiple rapists, but likely be well aware of some of them. Dormitory living alone, devoid of Greek life, supports date rapists. A friend of a friend of mine turned out to be a rapist. He raped a friend of mine while she was passed out drunk. Oh yeah, "He couldn't know any better, and she should have known better." I guarantee that is the first thought of some.
Rape is so badly embedded in college life (and the lives of others in their teens and twenties) that we have no choice but to encourage young adults to avoid rape scenarios. And even that we don't do enough. Hey, young guys, if you don't get into a scenario where you can be accused of rape, then...
And being an ignorant douchebag who doesn't like to read too many words at once doesn't make you anything except pretty lame. :P
This video is so important and so well done
I was under the impression that rape culture meant "a society were rape is considered a societal norm, especially if she dresses 'slutty' ", I came to that conclusion not because of what anyone told me, but because of the words used in the term. if that is the case, then this incident goes by a different name- abuse; abuse of power and of people and no one in the US-including hollywood-will ever say that it what happened was OK. This is why I don't like the use of the term. To make it clear I have no doubt that this happens, but I do doubt the fact that this does happen in every industry, nor do I question the need to crack down on it; however I do doubt the need to give it a new name when it has the name of abuse. Can someone explain why this needs the new moniker of rape culture, rather than abuse? I just struggle to actually understand.
There have been plenty of explanations in the comments on this video and it also takes a few minutes on google to find hundreds of different people giving detailed explanations about the term.
This is a really important video, and it disgusts me to see so many people still denying that it's a problem. What do you think about men participating in the #metoo movement? I think it's really crappy that guys who have been sexually assaulted and are coming out with their stories are being told to be quiet. I read a story about a guy who couldn't post his #metoo story without being yelled at by his female friends for trying to make it about him, while his abuser was able to post #metoo and get all this sympathy. That really sucks! While I get that it's an issue that predominantly impacts women more, we should still support male victims.
Eager Turtle Yes, we should, but the #metoo is woman-centered.
I think it’s also important for men to speak up about their abuse. They are also victims, so I don’t see how anyone else can justify telling a guy to shut up.
I was under the impression that metoo was for the victims. Not for their gender. Its brave for men to come out about sexual abuse and assault. Men are a smaller percentage yes but the victims are no less harnded By the violence done to them cause of power imbalances and misuse of power.
That said I know there are a lot of women who say otherwise. I don't speak for them. Just for myself.
"being yelled at by his female friends"
Those aren't friends, they are horrible people that need to learn decency.
IMO this should be an inclusive movement, and ALL victims should be given space within it.
The only men I want to exclude are those who tried to use it hijack it to whine about "sexual harassment", by claiming it's """"harassment"""" to not be given sex on demand. THOSE men can fuck off into the sun.
Marina! I like it when you delve into one issue at a time in your videos (like this one) because it seems like you do a good job of presenting the whole story with facts.
In Spain it's happening something quite similar with one of the most famous youtubers in the country, DalasReview. He has abussed plenty of his ex girlfriends, and even though they have all acussed him for doing that he is still powerful and has millions of fans deffending him even though there are more than enough evidences that he did that and even worse
Marta
Sadly, false allegations of sexual assault are far more common than actual assaults themselves. So it's good to hear when simply pointing a finger at a successful man to try and bring him down doesn't work.
There have been plenty of times in the past where I think the term "rape culture" has been misapplied, but this is definitely not one of them. When there's a system where abuses occur, those abuses are widely known about, and nobody says anything or defends the victims of the abuse, it's hard to say that problem isn't on a cultural scale.
Wouldn’t it be great if those nitpicking the label of rape culture spent half as much energy working to fix the actual issue...
A E It sort of seems like you’re just looking to argue to death the inexistence of what we call rape culture. If that’s the case, I’m not wasting my time.
If, on the other had, you are genuinely curious, there’s more than enough information easily available to you through the magic of RUclips and the Internet at large, tons of women (and men, for that matter) who’ve already spoken up to call out and discuss these issues. You can start with this very video and go from there. It’s not every woman’s job to interrupt her day to explain sexism, misogyny, patriarchal societies, or rape culture to you. That information exists, and either you want to open your eyes and ears and heart, find it, and let it shift you (yep, it’ll probably feel really uncomfortable at first!), *or* you just want to focus on diverting from and invalidating the issue, essentially adding to the problem.
Amy McRae that’s because we don’t have a rape culture. 🙄 feminists need to pull their head out of their asses and realIze it’s not just men saying it doesn’t exist. There are women too because we don’t buy he leftist fear mongering ya’ll push.
Amy McRae
Uh... nitpicking the label of rape culture *is* fixing the actual issue.
Sorry, have you actually started to believe the chauvinist man-hating lies spread by feminists?
Amy McRae you can't fix something that doesn't exist.
The least surprising thing about it was Woody Allen's reaction to it.
Thank you! Absolutely spot on about the issue of power and abusers getting away with it because of their status - I feel this is what really connects all the different #MeToo experiences that people shared, from harassment to childhood sexual abuse, sexual assault & rape, etc. And it’s frustrating to see so many (usually) men argue about terms like rape culture when it’s literally in front of their eyes.
LittleActsOfRevolution
What's in front of our eyes? A few allegations of sexual assault? How does that equate to an entire culture of rape, exactly?
Exactly! When people deny rape culture, they literally see it as feminists and other people who talk about rape culture saying that it's society promoting and rewarding rapists. If they'd actual the console the definitions we use, then something could be fucking done about it.
Maybe the problem is the terminology? Saying to someone that we live in a "Rape Culture" (when taken word by word) leads them to the assumption that you are suggesting we live in a society that promotes or displays indifference to rape (a literal culture of rape), which is clearly not the case.
In other words, it is the messengers themselves who are the cause of the confusion - if the term "Rape Culture" isn't reaching or is clearly causing misunderstanding then perhaps find a new term to better get your point across.
NorrisFoxx what would you call it other than a culture that enables rapists by shaming victims and covering it up?
seriously we can't teach everyone who already speaks and reads english how to actually bother readIng before getting upset at something. lead a horse to water and all.
Exactly what Avrysatos said.
Also, people interpret the term to mean "a literal culture of rape" when it's more "the culture surrounding rape", i.e rape culture. Words just aren't good enough to convey concrete meaning in a lot of cases. And I highly disagree when you say that it's the messengers themselves who are the cause of the confusion if the term "rape culture" is causing people to misunderstand. In a lot of instances, people who speak out and "debunk" rape culture should have the sense to understand and comprehend what the term actually means. Same case for people who don't like "Gay Pride" because somehow it says that you should only be proud of your sexuality if you're gay or "Black Lives Matter" because somehow it says that only black lives matter.
Kay K those that challenge us to come up with better words I always suspect want us to stop using any words at all, at least temporarily, so they don't have to think about the things we speak of at all for just a bit longer.
"the problem is that you have taken 'rape culture' too far"
Please tell me how we've taken rape culture too far. I think it's appropriate to try and raise awareness about a problem that plagues 1/6 women in the US.
"If system rape does occur at Universities, why on earth would you send your daughters there?"
Maybe the fact that you can almost never succeed in this country and earn good money without a degree. Also, women shouldn't not go to University; we should take care of the criminal acts that maybe make them not want to go.
"Look at some of the "other" high profile cases where women screamed wolf and almost took down innocent men (Duke Lacrosse, Rolling Stone Fake report)."
Some women lie about rape, but that's a very small number of these cases. It's despicable you say rape culture is being taken too far because a very nominal amount of women lie about rape.
"When women are given power to press charges against a man for anything (please see original "Hugh Mungus" video) we are in trouble as a society."
That's just incorrect; getting rid of rape culture doesn't advocate for giving women power to press charges against a man for anything. Also, rape culture is specific for sexual assault and harassment: even if we entertained your ridiculous notion that somehow trying to get rid of rape culture gives women the power to press charges against a man for anything, I don't see the correlation between sexual assault/harassment and literally anything.
"#MeToo is valid for some, but for others it is just an excuse to hate on men."
You literally pulled the "hating on men" thing out of thin air. Talking about your experiences with sexual harassment/assault or supporting victims who've went through that is in no way, shape, or form "just an excuse to hate on men". This is some basic level shit but I guess we're there; men can be victims too, men aren't always the perpetrators of sexual assault or harassment, and fucking SUPPORTING victims or sharing your EXPERIENCES isn't HATING ON MEN.
Great video
So messed up. Can't believe they had the audacity to fucking joke about it when they knew women were getting raped by him. Also sad how the women couldn't even speak out... this just breaks my heart
Kay K yeah, for real. Makes you wonder... Bill Cosby... Bill Clinton... there is all kinds of stuff like this going on, and people know. They knew the whole time. Wonder if this is going to crack the lid open on something bigger? And why aren't more names getting dropped? Because you know there are more!
DeepRhine probably; apparently he was pretty powerful...
DeepRhine I'm no fan of Seth McFarlen but in an interview about the joke he talks about how a story a female friend told him about Weinstein was the reason he made the joke because it made him so angry.
I understand why but I disagree with the approach. I think joking about it and turning it into a spectacle to laugh at isn't effective as it took this much time for Hollywood to finally do something about it. I also feel like it makes the victims and the things they went through seem irrelevant or not anything serious if so many people were just able to make jokes of it and laugh it off.
Kay K That's fair. Even with the best of intentions, it's still a joke that's kind of impossible to extricate from all the horrible stuff around it.
It's terrifying that a individual could have so much power. I wonder how many people knew what was truly going and made the conscious decision to turn a blind eye. Sexual assault has been a problem in our society since the dawn of time so how the hell is it still prevalent to such an extent? People's silence in cases such as these show that we are not providing each other with the right tools to disclose these acts and take immediate actions against them and until we all honestly and completely address this problem I doubt any improvements will be made.
Well said Marina! you go girl!
Great video! Also, I love your lipstick 😊
It’s good to see you talking about this. I have been so fascinated/disturbed by all the stories about him coming out.
Also, there is a really interesting RUclips video I saw that examines his body language around women in interviews. It is definitely illuminating.
chipmunk warcry
Wow, so now even body language is being included in the ever more nebulous term of "rape culture".
What next, is breathing also going to be equated to rape?
Axl Dave I agree that would be extreme. His body language definitely isn’t proof of whether he did or did not harass those woman. But the video does show he acts differently around women versus men and women display body language that indicates they are uncomfortable around him.
If you are interested the video is by Bombard’s Body Language. :)
chipmunk warcry
Yes, heterosexual men acting differently around women is not a new thing. And women being uncomfortable in the presence of a powerful man stems from feminism telling them all men are rapists.
What actual evidence is there for any of these allegations? All I hear is that everyone is judging, condemning, and punishing Weinstein based on nothing more than allegations. If there's actual evidence, that changes things drastically.
I always use the phrase rape culture because that's what it is, saying anything else is a lie and perpetuates rape culture. Great vid Marina, keep up the good work
"why does it take this many people to take someone like harvey weinstein down?"
Because there is literally billions riding on a movie doing well eg. avatar $2.8bn star wars, force awakens $2.1bn titanic $2.2bn jurassic park $1.7bn etc. and 1000s of people (make up professionals, microphone holders, caterers etc.), and 10000's if you including family and friends, that are reliant on films.
After a month of near constant surprising yet unsurprising revelations, I've finally gotten round to seeing this. Thank you, +MarinaShutUp, you are doing good and valuable work here on your channel.
I remember seeing a Facebook meme saying "In Muslim countries they teach women to not get raped. Here in the west we teach men not to rape." OH REALLY?! Our recent teenage gang rape problems here in London, western politicians saying things like "rape is sex, and women like sex, that means it can't be that bad", uhmmm... need I go on, or does everyone get the picture?
This is such an important video. Thank you for making it! I just made a video about #metoo too, and I immediately started to get comments from men saying rape culture doesn't exist, that we're whining and so on. And my channel isn't even big, I just got started -- which shows there are guys put there searching specifically for feminist terms on RUclips because they get off on trolling and harassing women speaking about gender equality.
Thank you for this and thank you for being our voice.
I think the reason Harvey Weinstein was able to get away with this for so long was that 1. Most people may not have known the full extent of his action. they may have just thought he was a creepy sex addict, but not actually acting on it beyond "hitting" on women. 2. No one would have wanted to jeopardize their careers on behalf of someone else. As sad as it is, Harvey had so much power that if it was just one person who tried to take him down, that person would be slaughtered by his lawyers and the media. but the social climate is so much different than it was just 10 years ago. As much as I disagree with most of modern media's "write first, fact check later" way of doing things, In this situation, it helped orchestrate a swift take down by multiple prominent actresses all at the same time. Our societies growing intolerance for this predatory behavior combined with the fact that all of the people Harvey victimized are now extremely influential gave them a platform to take him down that was not present in previous years. I agree that something should have, and maybe could have, been done to expose his actions decades ago. However, I do not believe it would have been possible. He could have used his influence to portray the fist person to come out against him as a lair, which could have tainted future allegations.
Ali Ghodsi aided by Amy Reichanadter, Databricks.
4:33 because you are calling it rape culture and not corruption culture, and most people who lay beer pong dont like being called part of rape culture, because they are not. It's a rich guy making money for other rich people who got the system to defend him because money.
Firstly I like to add that i mostly agree with the points you mad throughout this video.
But if the name that has been chosen for a describe a system is misleading the dialogue about that system. That might be an indication of bad naming.
It quite obvious that most people when they hear the word rape don't think of rape through coercion (which might be a problem too).
I think it's more an indication of your last sentence, that people don't understand what rape actually is and automatically jump to the assumption that it must mean America supports strange men violently attacking women in back alleys, than one of bad naming. We do a horrible job of educating people as to what rape actually looks like... which, of course, is part of the culture to begin with.
Yes because saying there is a drug culture in america means every single american is a fucking coke addict lmao, complaining about the terminology is just another excuse for people who are in a place of privilege to defend the status quo.
btw, nothing is fixed, the people that got abused are still suffering, the people that didn't submit and got trampled are still destroyed and he's still free and rich.
There's no justice in the U.$., not unless you can pay for it.
I thought it was better in Canada, until i found an abuser and it took 2 years just to remove him from his position of power, yet he got no punishment and the victims got no help. The most shocking thing about the situation i was a witness to (and a little victim of), is that it happened in a community organization where vulnerable people are supposed to get help, not get abused. To be clear, there was no rape, "just" psychological abuse that did lead to one suicide.
I'm sorry that you were a party of something awful, that's... well I hope you can heal. :\
Yeeeah, it's pretty fucked here too. Canada has a few more laws against it, but they the enforcement is almost non-existent which means we are in effect practically the same. Makes me angry-sad. I mean look what happened with Jian Ghomeshi.
The times victims get justice are pretty much only if the perpetrator themself has no power.
While I don't know how to fix that, I think that we should be looking at coercive control laws that have now gone into effect in the UK and consider something like that here. (and hopefully the states would follow suit) because frankly I think acknowledging abuse gets a lot easier when you outright make it a criminal offence to victimize someone in that way.
RUclips is being weird. I got a notification for the video, then it appeared in my recommends, but it's still not in my subscription feed. What's the point of being subscribed, stupid RUclips.
Ughhhh. So annoying.
yep, like most of RUclips these days.
I just watched the start of a video where a woman found a way to blame the victims of Weinstein for not coming forward sooner.
lol
It finally made it to my feed, but here's the link, note the time.
ruclips.net/video/EAE2sc74scQ/видео.html
I guess RUclips thinks that the best part is the ending. lol
If women treat all men as potential rapists we are called sexist and are hurting the feelings of good men. But if we let our guard down and in general trust men and that trust is broken through assault, instead we are called naive.
Personally I have many lovely friends in men and none of them has ever taken advantage of me because they are decent human beings. Being naive is not a crime, sexual assault is.
Yassssss. Def.
Hmm, I think there are certain words that are just very inflamatory because they imply more then they are actually used for. When I first heard the word rapeculture I understood it as desribing a culture where rape is just a normal day to day occurance where it is completely tolerated and maybe even promoted. But I guess that is probably not exactly what you mean when you use it, right?
It does mean other things too but I don't understand why you're trying to draw a line, those things you listed *are* things happening.
Daily people are being assaulted and having that dismissed. That's tolerating.
Daily, casual references to not respecting consent are mentioned and people debate if the person did something 'wrong' to "deserve" or "ask for it", as if that were possible. It's joked about. Those things are signals that those actions are 'okay', that is being permissive.
So while it does mean a whole lot of other things, if you think you're being hyperbolic with your examples, then I hate to tell you this (if only because I hate that the world is this way) but that is how bad the problem is. It is, it is that bad.
PurpleGhost
No, it isn't. If rape culture were a day to day thing, you wouldn't be referring to it as "rape culture" - it would simply be "culture".
Obviously the identification of rape culture precludes it from being an accepted societal norm. Try harder next time you want to fear/hatemonger.
Axl Dave - That doesn't match the reality of how culture works, you can examin and name trends.
Drinking large amounts every weekend with groups of acquaintances or strangers, is a normal thing for many people.
We call this 'party culture'.
It is not the only other example, just the most obvious.
Wow
its always saudia arabia ughh oh okay, ive seen you marching for international women's rights... sure...
A E The fact that you're quick to demonize refugees tells me that responding is probably a lost cause, but... well, here I am. And speaking as an American white girl, it feels vaguely imperialistic/white savior-y to try to swoop in and take over feminist causes in countries where women face oppression differently. Our voices aren't necessarily the ones needed in those conversations. It's a fine line to walk between lifting those women up and talking over them.
ramywiles the difference is that women in Saudi are actually oppressed. Not differently, just actually. Injustices happen to all sorts of people but in my country what Weinstein did was illegal. It's a big problem, and the law doesn't always work - but to compare us to countries that legally oppress their women? Fucked up.
Edindro whitehall Yes, to compare a culture like you in which a rape case gets reported every 6 minutes to saudi arabia where only 6 rapes occurred in a year is so fucked up!
A E Whereas you believe the rape and violence in your own country isn't real. You're wrong. What are you doing to protect Muslim women? Do you speak up for any reason but to attack Western feminism and defend your own prejudices?
Feminist in the west consider the hijab a symbol of woman's empowerment, meanwhile in Iran.....
Well problem isn't rape culture but that rich and powerfull are sometimes above the law.
But you need diffrent name for that.
Except it's not only in a vacuum within' the realm of the rich and powerful. It being a problem in Hollywood that is known about, but not fought against *is* rape culture. It's one aspect of the larger and interconnected issue that is rape culture.
Hollywood actors and directors are rich and powerfull at least popular are.
But those people can get away with violence or abuse and not just rape.
It is just how world works. It isn't right but...
It would rape culture and asking people if rape is ok and most would agree. But that isn't a case. People either think they can't do anything or they are too afraid of to do anything.
Also there are powerfull women who can rape and noone would call them out.
I think that disprove rape culture.
A E Start using the term virtue signaling properly and maybe I’ll consider educating you on something you could easily research for yourself.
and here the fucking main problem
I agree with most of what you're saying, but if people can agree that there's a problem then what does it matter whether people agree on the term 'rape culture'? It's just a signifier for the meat of an issue, not the meat of the issue itself. It's like how some people dislike the word feminism. To me that doesn't really matter, it's just a word. It's whether the person believes in gender equality or not.
Like yeah, let's replace all terminology until nobody knows what the fuck anyone is talking about. Brilliant. The outed sex criminals of 2017 absolutely demonstrate the depth of rape culture, but more importantly has been the first step in dismantling it. No more hiding, no more whispering, no more tolerating creeper degenerates.
I suppose... we could call it a culture of rape denial and protection of rapists. We could call it a rapist protectorate. A culture of rape, a rape culture. Oops, right back where we started. Reinventing the wheel sure is tricky, and a thousand other surprises not worthy of the news. But hopefully rape doesn't exit the news cycle. We all have a vested interest in not ever tolerating rapey behavior of creeps anywhere. "Softening language" is akin to political correctness, and we see what a big help that's been.
But I feel like that the people who object to a term like "feminism", "toxic masculinity" or "rape culture" without even knowing what they mean are often the kind of people who will insist it's all just "bad apples".
Police brutality, sexual predators, sexists, racists - it's all just attributed to a few bad apples and any systemic societal causes are denied.
i have no problem with the term rape culture per se, but i find that too often people just use it as a buzz word without making clear what they actually mean
666th "like". This pleases me.
Kinda bother non-women are using the #metoo
Lorena La Reyna I'm only bothered if they're not actually victims of this sort of mess. Think about it. The whole toxic masculinity thing that tells that creep he is entitled to treat women like that tells male and transgender male victims they can not speak up or they're not manly. It's part of the curtain all the filth hides behind, and people need to know it's not about how sexy a woman is or how strong she is, some of the actors that came forward the other week are not weak men, and described being powerless. We need to work towards a culture where men and women and everything in between or neither can feel confident that they won't be assaulted by their boss or someone else above them and if they are, that it won't be ignored or laughed at. We can do that ignoring the tiny percentage of men too.
But that's why it doesn't bother me. I would like to know why it bothers you and your perspective on the issue.
Axl Dave masculinity isn't toxic. Toxic masculinity is a extreme and harmful mimicry of masculinity. Study the concept before flinging your hate at me. There is nothing sexist about hating a version of masculinty that for example tells a male rape victim that he had to have enjoyed it cause all men enjoy sex. Or that says men don't talk about their feelings or get depressed. This version is bullshit and no one with any sense wants it around. Do you truly think that those kind of thoughts are okay? Those kind of thoughts are what we are referring to. Not masculinity as a whole. Which you would know if you studied the fucking concept instead of screeching sexism at me like an asshole at a month old comment where I already explained it once. Read a damned book or shut up. I wont respond to you about this again, sir. I have no time to entertain idiots.
Avrysatos
Oh, I see - you have toxic masculinity confused with feminism.
Like I said, there is nothing toxic about masculinity, so nothing toxic can mimic or parody it. But a supremacist hate group like feminism is nothing but toxic. I see feminism has adopted Joseph Goebbles policy on accusing your enemies of exactly what you are doing to them.
It's okay, I get that being called out on bigotry when you are trying to take a moral high ground can be frustrating. But just learn to accept your mistakes and move on.
Well, if you want to see real rape culture, why don't you go to Sa...
Hmmm...
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Dammit, you win this round Marina... (waves fist in the air)
All joking aside, great video. Keep it up! :D
There's rapists but no rape culture. No one is encouraging this behavior.
Women and others who knew of Weinstein's behavior were encouraged to keep quiet by Harvey's power within the industry. That is kind of what rape culture is all about.
Whooole lotta people enabling it though. (And actually, yes, there are people who encourage it.)
I disagree. The Me Too hashtag proves otherwise.
If that's not happening now then no, now there is no rape culture.
dyodoublej
I think you misunderstand the term. There isn't just one single rape culture, there are spikes in different facets of society. We see these spikes in many hierarchical institutions, in prisons, churches, entertainment industry, these behaviours are also reflected in abusive families as well, it is very often a secret shame. These different facets end up shaping society at large as well, but it's more subtle than all men raping all women daily on the street or something, which seems to be the common misinterpretation of the term that I see people scoff at.