Officers Detain Citizen For Jogging At Night
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Hey sir, a police officer may not be required to directly articulate the CRIME they reasonably suspect TO the detainee, but they ARE required to suspect a specific crime or set of crimes, period.
A detainment is NOT lawful if they don't suspect a specific crime(s), and officer Price admitted to Cory that no crime was suspected... THEREFORE, the detainment just for the purpose of collecting data is NOT lawful.
NO, he does NOT have reasonable suspicion that Cory has committed a crime, because he ADMITTED no crime was suspected, THEREFORE, there is ZERO reasonable suspicion to demand ID. Alabama's stop & ID statute no longer applies in this circumstance.
@@negrolocksmith4867 ... a Terry stop requires reasonable suspicion that a crime is afoot... that implies a specific crime or crimes, and the ability to articulate them.
Also, notice that the officer admitted that no crime is suspected when Cory asked what crime he was suspected of??? The cop was hoping to find a warrant, that was the purpose of the Terry stop. A Terry stop is invalidated if an officer doesn't have reasonable suspicion of a SPECIFIC crime or crime(s) to articulate. A Terry stop is not valid based on subjective suspicious activity ALONE... there has to be suspicion of SOMETHING. Suspicion alone is subjective... suspicion of a crime(s) isn't. Even a Terry stop requires that A CRIME be suspected... the case of Terry V Ohio is these standard.
@@codycampbell3723 ... the source is in the video, and others that Audit The Auditor have made, dude.
@@codycampbell3723 ... an officer cannot lawfully detain someone for "suspicious activity" unless there is suspicion of a crime... that's why it's referred to as "reasonable articulable suspicion". If you cannot articulate a suspected crime, or admit that no crime is suspected, then there is no suspicion of a crime... DUH.
Prove me wrong.
The only crime this citizen committed was recording in portrait mode.
Capital punishment approved.
U definitely should not ever record like that. Misdemeanor approved
That's two years in movie camp Sir!
He talking to cops, that alone is a crime
@Jeff G. I feel you!
I was detained and harassed for nearly an hour by Talladega police for leaving the airport late at night. I'm a pilot and the cops just couldn't believe I had flown a plane in and landed at 2 am. They said I "didn't look like a pilot". God they were jerks.
Thank you for all that you do… sorry that happened to you!
lol I’d say you don’t look like a cop.
Sounds like fascist pigs.
They're not cops, they're SS soldiers of the American Gestapo
How does a person look like a pilot?
I used to run really late at night (like midnight or 1 in the morning) when I was in the Army because I worked the night shift at the time, and I was always so worried I would get pulled over and harassed like this just for running. Not everybody works a 9-5 and some of us have to squeeze in workouts when we can. It's so annoying that being out at a certain time of night can in itself be considered suspicious. Adults don't have a curfew, so that alone allows us to be out at night.
I've run about 10 marathons thus far and can say the same. When my OCD kicked in one year due to lack of preparation for a race, I once start running at midnight and wasn't done until 4am in order to get was about 20 miles- the distance generally accepted that you are ready to run the 26.2. Maybe this guy was in jeans and steel-toed boots and that's why they didn't believe him, but even then some of us are just doing are thing how and when we can, no matter how crazy it might look to someone else.
On paper you don't.
But your rights aren't worth shit if you can't use them without coming under suspicion and being buggered by the police just for doing so.
If you're practicing for a marathon too some people start super early (like midnight to 2-4am). Some prefer running before the sun comes up and it gets hot.
A majority of burglaries happen during the day
@@AfricanLionBat True. Easier to find an empty house when most people are at work.
The way he realizes that he's about to be harassed is sickening. Sickening because of how widespread that cancer is.
It's a virus
Man: *jogging*
Officer: Do you know how fast you were going black there?
Right!
I see what you did there! LoL
Damn 😂 I’m sorry for laughing so hard
Lol
😂
Cop: What are you running from?
Jogger: Heart attacks and obesity.
@Nick M Comments like You should try it some could be considered escalating the situation and its better to refrain from doing so as much as possible.
@Nick M Fair enough and while i can appreciate the humor of the response. I hope anybody reading these comments is not foolish enough to actually try it.
@Nick M I don't mind the sharing, although i would usually discourage it because public forum. Apparently their is at least one voice in your head that is worth listening to and i am glad you did so instead of running the risk of becoming another rallying point for the Black Lives Matter movement.
I think your right about your father being both happy and proud of your response.
@@dragen3 It's sad that we have to be cautious of smartass remarks for risk of death from public officials
So judges will now deem running at midnight in a high crime area, which they label, warrant for detainment and id. We continue to get closer to Nazi Germany
‘I was concerned about him’ 😂 They are never concerned about you. All they are concerned with is trying to find something to write you up or arrest you for and to destroy your life as thoroughly as they can.
This is why I live in the country. It is hard for a Sheriff's Deputy to claim it is a high crime area when there are only 13 houses in a square mile.
Nice. Also, even if you needed the cops to come out there, they'd probably take an hour.
@@nckhed In all fairness it can take an hour in the city too. Waiting 3 hours isnt unheard of
@@SylvanasWindrunnerResurrected That’s what people complain about here in Austin, yeah. I don’t foresee myself calling the police any circumstance that in 9.5/10 times wouldnt be over well before the the police could respond anyway. And even if I do, I feel like I’d be murdered by the people who respond, as happened to Rajan Moonesinghe
That’d probably still find a way
And the criminals are dead way before county sheriffs roll out of bed.
"Well, looks like I'm about to get harassed." The level of resignation in his voice is just so depressing.
He's a black male, in America talking to a police officer at night.
I'd be accepting my death and wondering whether or not I was happy with my will at that point.
yep...I'm old and white, been around a while but I've never heard of 'jogging while black.' Cops will do anything to mess with people, especially at night.
sad and true indeed
except he didn't get harassed in any way - he was stopped for good reason according to Terry stop rules and was uncooperative, if he cooperated he could have been on his way in a couple minutes
@@southernbreeze3278 or beaten to death or...or ...or...as for that according to Terry stop rules....what reasonable suspicion and involved in what criminal activity? There were no reports of burglary in the area at the time, no calls of a "suspicious" man jogging in the neighborhood. So so, not "good reason accordding to Terry stop"
"(sigh) Well, looks like I'm about to get harassed."
When he said that, I felt my heart drop for a second. This poor guy was so prepared to be harassed, and just accepted that it was gonna happen.
Hope he's doing well now.
Brian Toal Hunnti, the majority of black males, go thru this All the time. From kid age to senior citizen age.
People of color always do, I've been harrassed by cops before. It happens alot to Mexican folk nowadays because of the general bias against illegals (which in our public mind are brown). It sucks when there is cops that harass you and force you to show documentation just cus you are brown.
XD I came to the comments just to find this one
Seriously. so rough to see/hear/realize.
The worst thing about this, besides the obvious, is that the officer called for backup and the officer that responded had ALREADY OBSERVED THIS JOGGER AND HAD NO REASON TO STOP OR DETAIN THE MAN AND, YET HE SUPPORT HIS A...WHOLE FELLOW OFFICER ON A BS STOP.
i was detained for "jaywalking" on roller blades at midnight, jammed up for about an hour and illegally searched and manhandled. i literally dont go out at night any more. i wish there was justice in this world i just dont know what to do
You need a police force to protect and serve you..............oh wait!
You couldn't get away on roller bades?
@@ItachiUchiha-lr3yr cops were on electric skateboards so I had no chance
Nothing on earth is catching me on roller blades not to mention you can take corners, use alleyways, stairs etc
@@ItachiUchiha-lr3yr there was no alleyway or stairs or corners where i was. it was wide open road. and what, I run from a cop and he thinks I've got warrants so he shoots me cuz he likes to see things in hands that arent there? you dont live in america do you? you dont F with LA cops... P.S. I was kidding about the electric skateboards... he was in SUV...
I was detained once walking to the store after 11pm in 2004. I remember the time because I was walking to Walmart to buy Disney's "Aladdin" (1992) on DVD at midnight. About three miles from my house; it was cooler at night so I went then. I was 26 or 27 at the time, it should be noted I'm 6'4" and weigh 220 lbs. (then, as well.)
So, I was walking on the sidewalk going down a hill connecting to the main road, across the street was a lake (this detail is very important.) So, the cop (he was white and bald, about my age) stopped me, he stayed in his car pointed up the hill, rolled down his window to talk to me and said, "So, what are doing?" I said, "Disney's Aladdin comes out at midnight and I'm walking to Walmart to buy it." He didn't believe me. He then said, "You boosting cars?" I replied, "With what?" He said, "What do you mean, 'With what?'?" I said, "Well, wouldn't I have tools or at least a flashlight so I can see what I'm doing?" (Yes, I was being a smart ass to a cop and enjoying it.) He then said, "What did you say your name was?" I replied, "I didn't." He said, "Can I see your Driver's License?" I said, "I don't have it on me." He said, "Why not?" I said, "Because I didn't know I had to have a Driver's License to walk." (said in a very smart ass tone.) But, I then said, "I do know my DL by heart. You want it?" And he said, "Why would you know it by heart." I forget what I said to him, I probably explained how I learned it by heart (whole other funny true story.) Anyway, I gave it to him, he checked me out and found nothing and then another police car pulled up (pointed down the hill.) The other police officer came over and talked with him while I stood back a bit but still in view of both and then the bald cop got out of his car and they started walking over to the other officer's car when I said, "Um..." and before I could say something the bald cop said, "Shut up and just stand there." and I replied, "Okay..." Bald cop was really frustrated with me most likely because of my smartass answers.
So, they were at the other officer's car when the police officer with hair said, "[Cop's name here] Your car is rolling down the hill!" (Bald cop forgot to put it in park.) And he runs pass me and says, "Why didn't you say something?!?!?!" I replied laughing, "I tried but you told me to shut up and I [sarcastically speaking] do what the officer of the law tells me."
Yes, the car went into the lake. It was hilarious, the other police officer laughed alongside me and he told me I could go. On my way home I saw the bald officer driving by (don't know what car he was in but it was a police car) and he looked at me with hatred in his eyes as I showed him the Aladdin DVD.
Good times.
If i saw a 6'4 man walking at 11pm to buy Aladdin i would suspect you too 🤔🤔🤔 (jk bro that shit just sounds hilarious) "what's in the bag!?
"Aladdin"
"Is that what they're calling that Afghani kush?"
I believed to story until you said that his car rolled into a lake. Sounds like a bit of embellishing. Still hilarious story
@@feelingcheetah1 Didn't embellish. It did happen. The entire car didn't go into the lake, only part of it did, the car he was driving was in fact his car that went (partially) into the lake. I tried to tell him but he told me to shut up. Also, no one liked him. He was always serious, never laughed at anything. I found this out when I dated a female police officer at the same station. Nobody liked him.
this deserves wayy more likes XD
@@davidarnold7147 awesome story
Officer: "Everyone lies."
Suspect: "So you admit to being a liar?"
Then why ask him any questions since everyone lies. Let me ask an honest question since all cops seem to want id. Does an id have a hidden feature that tells the police you have committed a burglary, car jacking, theft, or some other crime. They all seem to want id while they are "investigating" a potential crime. Just wondering.
@@RH-cv1rg I think they run the name through the police database to check for a past criminal history. If they find a match, a reasonable suspicion might get elevated to a probable cause.
@@gemfuzion That is a great reason NOT to provide any information to the police. Since they will run your name in order to arouse suspicion even when they don't have anything to be suspicious of currently. That is why talking to police never helps your case, it just gives them more reasons to arrest or detain.
@@gemfuzion 0
@Gemmy George you’re right, but sadly that sort of behavior is wrong. Because you could have a record of arrests and charges from incompetent cops, that all got thrown out in court, and the cops you’re currently getting harassed by will 100% disregard they were thrown out. It becomes a self-justifying system. A perfect example of once the system gets its claws in you it’s hard to get away from it.
They didn’t have any reports about a potential crime, not even a single call for a “suspicious person”. They had no reason to stop and harass this gentleman.
This cop just admitted he wants to ID you to see if you have any warrants AND to accuse you of any crimes that may happen in the future.
He really thought “and you can get that on recording” was THE comeback of the century.
Yooooooooo!!!!!!! This is my video lol and I love this channel how did I miss this for 3 months that's crazy
Corey Dickerson you did your thang man
You sound just like dave Chappelle
thanks for getting this out here man!
Wow they got the whole fam on RUclips. I’m waiting for the ex gf to check in.
Hey man, I’m up in Gadsden, hope you don’t think you’re the only one that’s got it bad lol cause you don’t know these Barney Fiffes up here 😂😂😂
This channel is *so* important to let people know their rights, cops' rights, and common misconceptions.
Thank you!
They're not cops, they're SS soldiers of the American Gestapo.
Its always frustrating to me how many cops get angry when you don't immediately capitulate to their every demand.
that first cop, as many times as he said "get that on camera" just boils my blood. hes one arrogant, small man.
my dad calls it Short Bloke Syndrome, the policeman that made contact is textbook example.
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Yea me too he was so clearly pissed that he was recording so that he couldn’t violate that man’s rights. This is why it is always important to record police every time
Yes little man complex with a dash of racism. Just a rural Small Town Southern night. 🤨🤷🏿
Show wasn't the same after, Barney Fife, left....
Yeah, I was glad that the other officer took over. He unnecessarily detained the man, too. But he was much less of a jerk about it.
“You can get that on video”. Dude obviously is angry he’s being filmed lol.
Lmao for real, somebody doesnt understand technology so much
"Shit, fool, I know I can get it on video, you see me recording, the damn camera doesn't need your explicit permission to record every statement, it does it automatically!"
Ya know for people who work shift work, LIKE COPS, you’d think they’d understand that the whole world doesn’t perform on the same schedule. I once had my car searched for the simple crime of being up and not at home at 2a- which was normal for my schedule at the time. I was playing a GPS game but was accused of having meth bc apparently I was about a mile and a half away from a meth dealers house 😂 I made the mistake of letting them search my car after I had been threatened. They tore my car apart and found… NOTHING. He was so upset and convinced that I was hiding something. Made me do a few sobriety tests and was pissed when I passed them (except he accused me of taking 90 seconds to count to 60 with my eyes closed and that that alone was enough to take me to jail 🤥). I used to believe that most cops were good until that interaction. Now I’ll never be convinced that but a few may be ok.
With me, it's been a series of minor harassments that has led me to distrust cops. I once made the mistake of giving stupid cops my ID and vehicle registration due to their suspicion. They detained me for an hour for no good reason and then went to my house to see if I really lived there. After educating ourselves, whatever happens to us next time isn't going to happen because we let badged thugs take advantage of us.
He just told him if a crime gets committed then we'll know where to start looking. Cause we will already know your name so we can just wrap it up quickly.
Land of the free, where you get stopped by police for jogging. What a joke.
"What have you been running from?"
Presumption of guilt there.
He should've said "I've been running from my Vietnam flashbacks."
My wife! She found out about Charlize!
That would have changed the tone..
@@peterinbrat Running from my wife! She found out about me and your wife! THAT would have changed the tone ;)
“What have you been running from?”
“Heart Disease?”
Lol he should have said diabetes.
i was thinking "Life"
Bodyfat... :)
Exactly. I said, "Cholesterol" out loud to answer when he asked that question.
And then also added "HD" ...
Good reasons to run preventatively.
And plenty of people exercise late at night.
I thought exactly the same thing. And lots of people like to exercise late at night.
It is not the responsibility of a citizen to prove themselves innocent or trustworthy. A person is innocent until proven guilty. Therefore, the onus is on law enforcement to provide evidence of guilt.
People need to watch this channel. Too many people are misinformed of their rights. The "what crime do you suspect me of?" is one of them.
How can you be reasonably suspicious if you are not suspicious of a crime? Suspicion that is not in reference to a crime is not reasonable. Any such law is bogus.
@@philosophyforum4668- I'm not sure what I meant by this back then. Maybe I meant that the cop didn't have to actually tell them what crime they were suspecting them of, or maybe I just didn't know the law well enough then. I know the narrator stated that auditors were misinformed when they asked, "What crime do you suspect me of?" But I have since read that you only have to identify yourself when there is reasonable, articulable, suspicion that you've committed a crime. Stop and identify states also usually require this.
There are exceptions to this, such as when you are driving, or you're arrested, or you're crossing the border.
I considered just deleting this, but I figured it was better to show how easy it is to make a mistake. I have a feeling I meant that the cop doesn't have to tell them what crime they're suspected of, but if that was the case, I did not articulate that clearly enough.
@@wvrjl There is some case law that says a cop doesn't have to be suspicious of a specific crime - and that all is needed is a set of circumstances that could cover any number of crimes. But imo that case law is destructive. Policing has been trending away from investigating crimes to investigating people - which means policing by suspicion. Terry v Ohio in the 60's was a major step in this direction. Law abiding citizens don't like crime, but mis-directed suspicion is not the answer. All it does is strain the relationship between cops and their community.
The more he tells you to get that on camera that tells you how mad he is you have a camera
That just made me think he doesn’t understand how a camera works. If you’re being recorded, it’s all on camera! Did he think the guy was going to record the entire interact in 6 second Vines, and he had to keep telling him when to record? Did he think the guy was trying to record a conversation by taking pictures of his words? That’s just a dumbass who has no idea how a camera works. And you can get that on camera!
Yeah, totally, @@johnnyfines627!
Right! Usually when you hit record once... the camera typically keeps recording everything from that point on. As a result, there is no need to repeatedly announce what to record. 😁
@@johnnyfines627 🤣😂🤣😂 "...pictures of his words."
Or, more likely, he's having a good laugh about people thinking he should be scared of a camera.
So sad when he said “looks like I’m about to get harassed” with no surprise whatsoever. That should not be okay with people!
When people say “white privilege “ ,this is what we mean.its not that white people dont get harassed by police, anyone that’s not white gets harassed by cops multiple times more
@@HarryFromTheNorthSide ya right plenty officers do this it's just the specific officer is shit to everyone fuck them but I've met some overly nice cops
Harry Singh that’s a fucking horseshit attempt to validate the nonsensical fallacy of “whites privilege”. Cops are ego driven, power-tripping bigots. And they’re bigoted against anyone who’s not a cop. They don’t give a fuck what color you are.
And statistics have proven cops are more likely to escalate violence and harassment against white people.
@@ObservationofLimits Wrong. They DO give MANY fucks what color one is, and we know this from simple statistics. Stats ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS prove this, and cops stop blacks more, inspect vehicles more, handcuff more, etc. Stats.
Yes, but he said it funny as hell.
I love how the cops still think that they’re the good guys.
They should really spend some time watching these videos to learn what not to do. Once you’ve see enough of these, you can really see how common it is for them to all engage in almost exactly the same bad behavior. That means that it’s part of their training, and I would bet that if you find out whoever is making a living training police officers around the country, that’s the source of the problem that’s been continuing to spread those bad behaviors to all newly minted officers around the country. If there were some sort of standardized Federal training and testing requirements in place that all officers my complete, then all you would need to do is get rid of all the old instructors, hire new ones that only teach the proper methods (without all the shortcuts) and there’s a chance that we might actually get some positive changes brought about in this country.
I'm so confused. How would seeing his ID confirm whether or not he was jogging?
It’s a power grab
It won't. It's very simple. If there would be a burglary later that night, they would know he was there and suspect him. That's why you should never give your ID unless it's required by law. If he refuses to give his ID, they would suspect he's about to commit a crime. That's why you should always give your ID when it's asked.
This cop has a bad attitude. Definitely a power trip and has an issue with being challenged
Aaron Roberts Most cops do.
and he got that on video too
@@forrestl5597 Oh it's all going on video!
That's true for cops and security guards all around the world..
When you say this cup explained that I've never met a cop that was different from this have you while you're the best be a lucky one where do you live
"Burglaries in the area" is their favorite go-to phrase to harass us.
You know what I say, "how does you asking me where I'm going, coming from or any questions tell you if I committed a burglary last week or will commit one tonight?"
Yep. Apparently everywhere is “lot of burglaries been going on lately” is literally everywhere
I got pulled over and accused of being a drug user and dealer because I pulled out of a bad parking lot. They searched my car and everything. It was crazy
You’re right unfortunately Chandal Taylor. I’ve been helping a dear friend of mine fight his case for exactly this. We worked out together and went to do laps around two blocks from the gym we used. Cops stopped us. He (a young black male aged 29) was immediately grabbed by the police. They didn’t even ask me one question until I demanded them let him go. I showed them our gym cards and they thought it was suspicious because we weren’t doing laps inside the gym. At this time (before Covid) the gym was packed and we decided to jog outside. Apparently that was a mistake. It’s ridiculous and pathetic that I wouldn’t be suspicious but you would. How?! I could have a gun in my waistline and you could have a Bible! I don’t get these morons. Racist punks are everything that’s wrong with this country!
@@mook528 sadly this will make them suspicious. They will now think you may now commit a crime.. so will detain you.
Always say nothing, or ask for a lawyer if you are being detained.
"I don't consent to any searches, seizures, or questions. Either you have enough information to place me under arrest right now, or you have to let me go. So...either arrest me or release me."
Having watched many of these videos now, it seems that these officers seem to have been handed the same script - ''We have had a complaint" or "We have had a lot of crime in this area" or "We need to know your name to know who you are" or "You need to turn off your camera for my safety." Never stick around to talk to police officers if you don't have to, get away from them as fast as possible.
Officer needs back up, we got a black men who knows his rights and refuses to kiss the cop ring.
I gave a thumbs up. Don’t know about the black man but a man running with dreadlocks.
@@redspain349 Clearly a endangerment to society.
Officer needs back up. Black guy knows his rights and refuses to bend over and kiss my ass. :-D
"We got a black men?" Sat that again...........
@@TheJer1963 *"sat that again......"* Seriously? Gonna poke fun at someone's spelling error, with _your own spelling error??_ 🤤 Fuckers, like you, are hilarious! 🤣
Just imagine the shit that went down before everyone had a camera 🙄
It was called "the Third Degree," i.e. Nazi Germany shit.
ya there was alot of people getting away with crazy shit they shouldnt and the very opposite of that. my mother was a bartender for a decade when i was a kid and the shit ive seen/heard is crazy 9 times out of 10 the cops were fine but that 10th hooo boy hitting people who were peaceful letting drug addicts who stabbed someone go because they knew them personally. crazy shit. i remember when i was a kid we wouldnt let a kid play with us not rude or anything he just couldnt play and a cop threatend to break my teeth because i asked what the big deal was because he was the kids uncle. (i was a bout 10 and lived in a not great place) also didnt give attitude i just truly was confused why they were mad
Man.. scary
@@dillonoickle5841 ACAB
Ask Rodney King
Not to mention once you offer your name during this stop the Department could keep an incident report of this interaction. By doing this they could also assume if any further criminal activity occurs they can make you suspect number one and from there the harassment starts.
man y’all talking about “the second cop cool”. no he’s not. he’s playing nice to try to get some incriminating information on him. he was just being nice about it.
“Let me see you’re ID so it can confirm that you were jogging.” What type of sense does that make? I hate when they act like the ID will let them know what just happened.
They want his ID so that if any crime is committed in the area he'll be the first suspect, that's how it works.
@@DFPercush yeah, they even told him that's why they wanted it. And then they act like they don't understand why he doesn't want to give it to them. They can't be that fucking stupid.
@@josephherron7671 They're not, but the first tactic is to pretend to be your friend and hope things go smoothly. Wasn't this video in Alabama? That's a stop and identify state so he is actually required to at least tell them his name and address.
they ask for ID so they can look into their system to see if you have outstanding warrants, or have done past crimes. It became popular when Cops was able to arrest FBI most wanted in a random traffic stop so they keep doing it hoping to be that one Cop to catch a wanted criminal and become a hero.
What it is used now is a tool to determine whether or not they can come up with a excuse to arrest you, so if you were caught for possession once, then they can say it was a reasonable arrest. This is why education is important
They want to check him for warrants. Their #1 main focus when interacting with you is to check your name/ID for outstanding warrants. They can't think about anything else until they have checked your name/ID for warrants.
"I was concerned about him." "There have been break-ins." Those websites and police training do nothing more than give cops a script to use to justify a _Terry_ stop.
I think you are right just teaches them how to cover their @$$.
"Based on my training and experience," lol
They're not cops, they're SS soldiers of the American Gestapo
Dude handled things like you should, he was very professional. He was sceptical because he did nothing wrong but was still respectful and willing to communicate even when referencing bad experiences.
I like this guy. He is me, he is you. I’m glad he stood his ground.
That first cop would not be able to handle working in a large city where there are people on the streets at all hours of the day and night. LOL
He’d be like “ All these people are outside at night! AAAAAARGH! Overload!”
@@aduckofsomesort those damn criminals
Used to work shift in the middle of nowhere at a chemical plant. Considering I didn't have a car or licence, I was walking home at all times of the night 🤷♀️
Hell I only had my work id most times on me.
I couldn't help but notice that when cop #1 was briefing cop #2 when he arrived, he made sure to highlight "HE WANTS TO GET THIS ALL ON VIDEO".. He made his feelings clear about being held accountable via recording
He kept putting emphasis on it too before hand he obviously doesn’t want to be recorded
@@vipergameplay7613 agree 100%
@@vipergameplay7613 Sounds like guilty conscience to me, that officer has something to hide I can almost guarantee that
He also made sure to tell a lie by saying the gentleman refuses to identify himself.
Asking name and date of birth is a lot less dangerous and very different than handing over your ID.
Being overly generous (since this cop had a sh!tty attitude) it is actually a good idea for the cop to inform the next one of the guy's wish to have everything recorded. In an actually ethical policing situation that gives the new guy two important bits of information: that the guy is nervous and they need to keep the situation calm to gain trust, and that (as part of that trust gaining) they should try to stay within the view of the camera. But since they don't seem to have any interest in those things...
it's been 3 years since this video was posted but I still can't see a top comment about that top notch second officer. That eloquence and de-escalation capacity is exactly what most police officers should strive for, not only in the way he talked to the jogger, but also when he says how he goes about his patrols in the area. Good police work right there.
He was suspicious, too. He just seemed better at being deceitful.
A few years ago I lived in Osceola county and was stopped at 6 AM on my doorstep after jogging home from a waffle house 2000 feet from my home. The officer asked why I was running and I told him that aside from being good exercise its just faster than walking, and he asked many ridiculous questions multiple times like if I knew where I was and where I live to which I would just say "I'm on my street, I live in the house I was using my key to unlock the door to" and when I asked if there was someone they're looking for he didn't break eye contact and radioed my description to ask for back up, like some tired cliche. In the end they ran my ID and gave up trying to contradict my explanation, which was simply that I went to a breakfast diner at breakfast time. Back then I wasn't really aware of my rights and didn't know how to stand up for them, but channels like this definitely have given me more confidence in my rights and helped undo the feeling of powerlessness that came from not having it before. It sucks to see proof that similar experiences happen to people all the time, but it helps to know the protections in place to prevent them
Cop: You're not committing a crime sir
Corey: So, uh am i free to go?
Cop: No.
What the hell?
Pretty sure this is kidnapping lol
@@treroney4720 did you bother watching the video. The officer had RS that would likely hold up in court even if we both agree it is shaky. I.E. he is being detained until the officer can prove or rule out the RS.
@Cwavy_619 “Therefore, most courts would probably agree that the list of factors listed by officer price would amount to reasonable suspicion” -4:20
@Cwavy_619 People lose lives to cops because of their OWN stupidity. Majority of those killings couldve been avoided if the suspect just obeyed orders. Yes, if the orders are unlawful you have a right to not obey them. But you have to consider the alternative, youre surrounded by cops with guns. What are you gonna do really? Just obey, and seek justice from the court, not the misconducting police. That would literally save lives.
@Cwavy_619 Now youre bringing more stupidity into it. Youre likely going to get killed if you pull a gun on an officer. Fight the police in the court, not on the streets dumbass.
The police dont decide who is right or wrong, who has committed what crime. The court does. So take your fight for justice in the courtroom where it belongs.
That second officer has a good attitude. He explained everything well and was professional about it. We need more officers like him.
It's a tactic. He would've been more respectable if he ended this detainment as soon as he saw he was simply jogging, but he still justifies this harassment. Good cop, bad cop tactic.
B. SMILEY III maybe or maybe not. He could be like that every time so from what IVE seen he seems like a good officer.
@@Insertnamehereplz why does he feel the need to keep a man there and copsplain excuses for the other cop?
Tactic or not, should have let him be on his way or not, the second officer's attitude and de-escalation were good. Given the choice between this and dealing with the kind of complete power-tripping asshole we see in so many of these videos, I'll take this officer's approach seven days a week and twice on Tuesdays.
@@DaddyBeanDaddyBean why keep him there any longer, wasting the jogger's time and cops' time, after verifying he was doing nothing wrong?
BTW thank you for all you do, the research you do is not easy but no means, we the people, appreciate it very much so.
When will officers learn that we have no obligation to prove our innocence to them? It's their burden to prove guilt, not a citizen's to prove innocence.
I am 72 years old. I am a law-abiding citizen. But I do not trust police. I believe videos such as this one have influenced me. I now understand what "qualified immunity" means. I now know that it is not illegal for law enforcement to lie to citizens. I now understand the implications of "discretionary enforcement means. I now understand that a law enforcement officer can "ask a question" and make it appear that it is a legal order to respond.
How is it possible that one can "trust" a law enforcement officer when one has this kind of knowledge? Liked your video as well as your objective analysis. Thanks for posting.
America is the only nation on the planet that allows Police to lie...!!! It’s absolutely absurd yet, it’s a reality in America. If a cop is legally allowed to lie to a citizen or a suspect you don’t think he/she will lie on official reports and in court...???
Just remember, the supreme court ruled they're stupid. They don't need to know the laws.
Captain Ron send this message and some links to your favourite videos to your local police dept facebook page.
I cant see how Adam Schiff is allowed to trample on the rights of a citizen, but I'm stupid.
If you're influenced by videos alone then you're a pawn of the media and it's pretty pathetic that you're letting a favored style of videos affect your opinion of all police officers.
I wish cops would stop treating people guilty until proven innocent.
Exactly. Or allowing a random person that calls something in to 911 to somehow act as a judge that knows with 100% certainly that a crime has been committed but said person. It's ridiculous.
As soon as the second cop told the first cop that he had seen him jogging, that should have been the end of it. But it wasn’t, obviously, and the second cop still was making a case for ID.
Until proven so you meant. I don't know why I am correcting you as I hate when others do that to me. I guess I am being vengeful right now 😛🤪
The crazy thing is that the courts allow it. This was legal harassment. It's not just the cops that are the problem. It goes much deeper.
@@thenewtalkerguy496 yes sir it does.
I got stopped once for taking an early morning walk ( just before it got light).
What a sad country when you are considered a potential suspect in a crime for doing normal things
Bet 100 bucks no burglaries reported in that area that night....just driving around harrasment anyone who happens to not fall into their routine
Any cop will have no problem to cite "recent burglaries in the area" when there was one 3 years ago.
Cop bored. Fishing. Wants to check for warrants.
You're missing the whole point. The cop said the rationale for the contact was the unusual circumstances of Corey jogging at night. He never claimed a specific crime occurred, nor did he need to.
@@arimfshapiro7907 Correct ... Z
@@arimfshapiro7907 justifying stripping someone of their rights because they jog at night??...that's unusual circumstances...holy fuck paranioa... lmfao...RIDICLIOUS!!!...NO WONDER CANT CARCH REAL CRIMINALS...TOTAL RETARDS THINK LOTTERY STARAGEY IS PREVENTING CRIME..🤣🤣🤣
Cop: “There’s a lot of crime in this area”
Me: “can you tell me any neighborhood where there isn’t crime, because I’d like to live there.”
The neighborhood I grew up in, no crime at all never locked the door on my house for 25 years. It's mystic Connecticut fyi
Rural areas have hardly any crime cause youll get blasted
@@fanglethorpe hmmm, would that be the same place of “Mystic Pizza” fame?
@@Datsamoutful yup
@@Jonesyful10 my town isn't rural just had old people with money for neighbors. Cops know where their pay check came from.
"What are you running from?" That is a tip off RIGHT there.
The fact the cop keeps saying "and you can get that on video" as if hes giving his permission each time 😂😂
The second cop really helped de-escalate the situation.
I feel bad for him, I get that he's just trying to do his job, it's hard good cops should get a raise, bad cops should get fired.
He treated him like a person
They are not talking to you because they wanna get to know who you are. They are talking to you because they want ID because they want to run your name through their computer and see if anything pops up. Plain and simple.
Right
In my case, they wanted my ID so they could punish me by running my ID for 40 minutes, prolonging my detention, for initially refusing to surrender my ID because I was not driving. For a pet warning? I stopped talking to them and continued to mow my lawn while they searched.
Yup. Looking to extort or kidnapp someone for the slave trade
Yes siiirrrr. And not for the benefit of the public good. For the purpose of getting more money out of someone and inducing a pretextual stop. Well, that’s really what it is I guess, what you said. Stopping somebody, for the purpose of investigating into other aspects of the person’s possible criminal background.
In Finland police have secret register where they enter persons ID, time and place, and was their suspicions and what ever they like. The register is so secret that none other than police is allowed to see it. Then they use this register if they find some crime happening nearby. They find you've been seen there couple of nights before and that's when the troubles start. Next you find out you get stopped a lot when driving and so on. Plus in Finland you have to ID to police when ever they "investigate" anything.
So please, please stand up to your rights in US and elsewhere.
These officers are trying to tell this gentleman (who's lived in the neighborhood for 15 years) about his own neighborhood. He's holding up under pressure. I feel for him. I think he's guilty of RWB.
“We just gotta check you out to make sure you don’t have any warrants” sounds a lot like “We consider you guilty until proven innocent.”
A public defender friend of mine (Atlanta area) just won a case in which his client, who was leaving some nearby basketball courts (which had only just closed for the night minutes earlier) looked at a cop, started running, and the cop chased him, searched him, and found several roaches and some freshly rolled joints on him
My friend argued that a young black man wearing athletic attire near a public athletic facility that just closed, looking in the direction of a cop who happened by, and then a moment later deciding to start his evening run was not sufficient to justify a detainment and search, and that the evidence was therefore obtained in violation of the 4th Amendment. The judge agreed, and the case was subsequently dismissed since that was the only evidence the prosecution had.
Damn. Nice one lol.
Talk about petty, jeez
Also the drug war is a scam used to terrorise black people and it needs to end.
“You out here running?”
“Yes sir I am.”
“What are you running FROM?”
....umm, running FROM??That’s a hell of an insulation. Fire these cops.😡
Whats an "insulation"?
Bruce Allen Smith a typo for insinuation as I’m sure you figured out.
"Those fucking red balloons, man!"
Lol you don’t go from a point A to a point B?
@B. B.
"Insinuation."
I got stopped one time for jogging too. I guess it was my fault for exercising at night through a safe, wealthy neighborhood that I happened to live close to. The cop passed me and once I saw that he did a U-Turn, I thought the same thing, “Here we go, this cop is gonna harass me.” I didn’t stop jogging until he drove close and shouted me to stop. He asked me the same, “What are you doing?” “Jogging”. “Where do you live?” “Next city over” (I lived on the city border). “Why are you in this area?” “Because this is where I jog”. “What kind if pants are those?” Like wtf? I said, “FUBU”. “Ok buddy!” Then he left. To this day I wish I got his name & badge number. He messed up my rhythm.
Officer: What you runnin from?
Me: Obesity…
you gotta love how the second officer explains how he conducts himself properly while doing his job and then explains how the first officer polices 'differently' basically calling him a bad cop, without actually calling him a bad cop.
That’s what I liked too, makes it easier to at least talk to him.
@@anthonybragg3946 doesn't mean the "good cop" won't arrest/detain you.
This happened to me where I was detained and one cop seemed to be a citizen under the suit but didn't care or apologize when he saw me visibly shaken up by their random stop.
Don't be fooled that's the ol' good cop/bad cop razzle dazzle
@@mandy1810 Exactly. The "good" cop was able to extract lots of info from their conversation like his arrest 2 weeks prior from trespassing from his ex.
@dustybroom16 I'm older and bad at conveying sarcasm through text. I'm thinking a face palm emoji would convey that at the end of the sentence. lol
I love how their demeanor changes from “he’s a criminal” to “we’re concerned about you”
We are concerned about your safety, gonna thrown you in jail, to help you, bc we are concerned.
That right there, we’re concerned about it is scary af
Yeah he showed his true colors right off the bat, then backtracked and ran his bs Terry stop script. He saw a black dude with dreads and thought the worst. And hey, I hate bs racism accusations but you can see right through this cop. The difference between a good one and a bad one is night and day, and the creator is so right--it's police like this guy that are responsible for the relationship breakdown between law enforcement and community.
That's when you know it's on. When a cop says "we just want to make sure you're ok", you know they're about to do something stupid.
@@douglove5442 That's unfortunately pretty true from what I've seen in these (many) bodycam videos.
Wow … the immediate assumption “what are you running from?” Is so bizarre
"....and you can get that on video too."
After telling him this several times, it is starting to look like he's retaliating by mocking him for recording.
"well... looks like imma bout to get harassed."
damn
Officer: Do you trust everyone when they tell you something?
Corey: I don’t trust anyone!
Officer: Well neither do we.
Corey: But then why should I trust him when he tells me there’s been break ins in the area and that’s why he’s stopping me?
Officer: There have been break ins.
Corey: I didn’t hear about them.
Officer: Trust me.
Everyone: 😑🤦♂️
Like a dam SNL skit
Hahaha !! Thats the gotcha moments.
They talk in circles to confuse people.
@@kimberlyjeanne9456 They talk in circles because they’re morons.
@bdidbw I’m not saying he wasn’t. But when you use deceitful tactics, regardless of how nice you are, it’s still fucked up. It’s classic good cop bad cop, but either way, it’s still the same cop tactics designed to trip you up or get you trusting them when you shouldn’t.
The question alone "What are you running from" is a stereotype right from the start, assuming that he's a criminal!!!
So, even if I tell the truth, the police will think I'm lying? They watch too many tv shows and movies, and think everyone is a horrible criminal. They do also say "we've had a lot of burglaries in the area" just as an excuse to stop and detain people.
I love how you carefully break down misunderstandings about rights and certain laws. It's much more helpful and informative than just pointing out the fact that someone is wrong. Thank you for the obvious hard work you put into your videos.
Blue Claws also that he isn’t bias. He just tells the facts about the situation.
@@Linznicole6 No, he's biased. Everyone is biased. He just recognizes that and minimizes it wherever possible.
I wanna see this guy do an audit. Could you imagine....
Lindsey. You're right. If you're going to describe someone as unbiased though, he's a really good example.
I've never understood how obtaining a person's ID, in and of itself can aid an officer in their determination of whether there is enough probable cause to turn an custodial detention into an custodial arrest.
How many times did he reference being recorded.... that really upsets them so much
Who ya runnin from? Top notch investigation there Barney!
Me and a roommate years ago worked 2nd shift and we’d get off work at 11:30pm. We both had just gotten new mountain bikes and wanted to try them out after work. We went out riding around town around midnight and we were both wearing high-vis jackets.
We were just riding down a sidewalk and a city cop came out of nowhere and cut us off at the next intersection.
We explained we just got off work and wanted to ride bikes. He kept insinuating that we were “up to no good”. I said “you really think we’d be wearing the brightest color possible if we were up to no good???”
He finally let us go. Just another bored night shift cop looking for someone to harass.
These cops in the south don’t seem to understand how to de-escalate situations. They’re all getting their feelings hurt and puff up like a exotic birds as a show of strength. It’s pathetic.
Dont say down south as if north east west cops are angels.
@@youngatwista Thank you!
Insomn3ak they know how to de escalate. They just don’t like certain people. They aren’t ignorant. They just don’t care.
Cops in the south think they own everything and everybody who lives here.its thier private plantation
If this is the racism ive been hearing about yall babies grow up
"It's not just you that we stop"
So the police just drive around all night and question anyone that they come across, with the assumption that they have committed a crime? And they are perfectly within the law to do so?
Sounds like a police state to me.
Yes they do. Ridiculous.
Right? That’s what I was thinking. That shouldn’t be okay. They should have to have some sort or REASONABLE suspicion, not this bullshit “up to their discretion”.
Yes. No one commits crimes at night. Lol idiots.
@@rickruler2783 people commit crimes at every time of day. Should the police stop and question everybody all the time?
@@joshme3659 no, but if someone sees a cop car then starts running at night, it does seem suspicious. This is a ridiculous lack of courtesy on the part of the officer. He could have stopped the guy, asked "hello there, whatchya doin?" Guy answers "I'm jogging"
"Alright then, have a nice day" and thats it.
Those who do not trust anyone, cannot be trusted themselves.
The sound of his voice when he said "Well I guess I am going to get the arrest" It sounded like he had every expectation to be treated as a criminal. I feel so bad for him. I can't imagine going through that kind of scrutiny my whole life. Very sad. Systemic racism does not exist in america. My ass!!!
He said “harrassed” but non the less I still agree with you.
Supreme court ruled: "Looking suspicious", is Not responsible suspicion.
Time of day location being out of breath all could contribute to looking suspicious. Id probably just have told him my name when he asked though and not played the game.
@@inprtandaciuntplsnobanlolj6108 still where is the suspicion of AN ACTUAL CRIME!?
@@inprtandaciuntplsnobanlolj6108 my bad i thought this was america?
The lardass cop calls this guy "Boy", "BOY!" as soon as he gets out of the car. That alone shows his attitude from the start.
Ricopolico it did sound like he said “boy” but i think he said “cory” (his name)
Sorry ass cops...I use to run 7 miles at night because I could not sleep. Is that a freaking crime? They always use a lame excuse such as " there has been a break in the area" which a person stopped can't say wheather or not that is plausible.
@@raymondhughley575 - More often, "the way the world is today." What in the hell does that mean?
@@vol.2653 I hear him saying boy
Serg0614 I dont rock 12 at all my g but cmon son you know he said Cory 😂😂 i replayed that bit like 6 times son he aint that bold g they try their best to disguise the racism now
This officer had an attitude straight out the gate.
This is sickening! He’s a great dad who can only exercise when his children are tucked in bed. Leave him alone!
Every time an auditor tells an officer that they’re being recorded, the officer 9/10 times will say “don’t worry, am recording too” like it will be easy to get their body cam videos
They delete most of em.
Then they take months to release body cam footage, or the footage is lost, or incomplete, or audio is damaged.
Any videos of a cop getting shot
…if they don’t “accidentally lose” the recording
Officer: Look at our job...
Public: We have looked closely recently, and determined you need strict outside oversight.
He keeps saying "and you can get that on video" like he hates being held accountable.
I usually go to the gym around 8pm and finish about 11pm and I walk because it's close to my house. I have to make sure I stay between those hours because of the shift change with police. Most of the officers on the 2nd shift know who I am, but if I go even a little later I get harassed by the 3rd shift. Our officers live out of city limits, sometimes 30 miles away.
It should be illegal to police areas that they don't live in
I believe I will remain silent while you conduct your investigation.. let me know when I'm free to go... I will not be able to help you build a case against me..
Very true
real good point !
Jeramie Childress sounds good.👍
@Jose Stickman Two words: Qualified Immunity. Two more words you're wrong.
@Jose Stickman Hint: who has the deep pockets? You are assuming that the legal system has nothing to do with money. Therefore your brilliant theory NEVER happens in real life. Nice try go back to your legal help for dummies book and try again.
Go figure, a cop is completely unfamiliar with the activity called exercise.
“You can get that on camera.” He actually started to make me laugh after the 10th time…
"Stop and Identify" sounds a lot like "Papers please"
The resignation in his voice when he says he's gonna get arrested even though he's done nothing wrong is just depressing.
If there really is significant burglary activity in that area, it’s because the burglars are free to conduct their business without any concerns while the police continue to do whatever this is.
I think that one of the big problems at the end of the day is that most officers have no kind of customer service training. A lot jump directly from HS to the academy/force and don’t understand what the bulk of the job is going to be so they develop this weird idea that doing their job is an inconvenience. This whole situation would’ve gone down differently if the officer had simply modulated his tone and checked his attitude. You are supposed to be conciliatory and understanding that you are taking time out of this person’s day while you are doing your job (it’s your job, you don’t get to huff and puff and be an asshole because you have to do part of your job). The immediate accusatory tone was a no; that’s not even close to how you begin. “How are you this evening?” Make polite, friendly banter to get a feeling of the person (you can get a life story out of someone with a smile), and then just give them a heads up that there have been some break-ins in the area and to be safe. Wish them a good night and move on. You made contact and can now assess whether or not it requires follow up.
I know this occurred quite some time ago but I saw it for the first time today 3 years after it was posted. You stated that Alabama is a "Stop and ID" state based on 2006-Alabama code, Section 15-5-30--Authority of peace officer to stop and question.
Second officer came by, had seen him jogging earlier, and actually dispels the reasonable suspicion while continuing to assist in pursuing an ID.
Yep. He's just as weird as the first cop.
He's not a cop, he's an SS soldier of the American Gestapo