I know, I forgot about the scene where Goku was about to wipe Supreme Kai at the arena. I hadn't thought about that scene before I made this video, cause I thought it was funny how Buu nearly killed Beerus before they met and hated each other afterwards.
Quick question. Do you think Beerus would die if Shin died? Or do you think Elder Kai in the Z sword and now out of the Z sword plus Buu with Dai-Kai-O in him would prevent that? I’ve had this question ever since this rule was introduced. I know Shin is the OFFICIAL Supreme Kai, but there’s multiple of them. So how do they tie in?
@@Kaempfdog I think Beerus' urgency to protect the "Supreme Kai" was pointed towards Shin, despite Elder Kai being the one familiar with Beerus. Shin officially took over as Supreme Kai, for whatever that means as a Kai. Even Elder Kai, due to the way he treats Shin, would see that Shin IS the Supreme Kai
Dead soul to beerus: hey how did you die? Beerus: I died peacefully in my sleep. Dead soul: that's a nice way to go. Beerus: unlike the untold number who were killed by a giant piece of gum man baby
@@somedudewatchintv5297it's to make balance, creation and destruction. If god of destruction is evil enough to kill supreme kai without consequences. Then it's create as weakness when god of destroyer goes berserk and no one can stop it. They just make supreme kai die
I like how Goku took more issue that killing Supreme Kai would be "cheating". He gave no fucks about straight up murdering the guy who is essentially the god of their universe.
@@obsidianfrost9514That’s good. I was wondering why he would mention wanting a better challenge and not the fact that he wouldn’t murder both his friends (Beerus and Supreme Kai)
@@lmaouwild Yup. In all honesty EN DUB probably cut down how many words he said to try to better match mouth movement. Tho they end up cutting some important info sometimes.
Beerus obviously didn’t exist canonically back then but it would have been cool if Beerus mentioned that he was having nightmares that his life was in danger while he was asleep during the Buu saga.
he is kinda mentioned when Elder Kai told Shin that there's a powerful "Evil" (maybe because of his destructive acts as a destroyer) being sealed him in the Z Sword and it turns out Beerus is the one who sealed him. But since Beerus doesn't exists the time when Dragon Ball Z was airing, yeah he's not canon at all (if you're going to lead the story towards Dragon Ball GT) but i think even in GT, Beerus exists but only he didn't fought Goku.
remember that time in the buu saga where goku basically held shin at gunpoint so majin vegeta could fight him so close to killing beerus way before he was introduced lel
@@naus_edits And also in Babidi's spaceship, before Vegeta got possessed, Vegeta held the Supreme Kai at gunpoint too, not only that Supreme Kai was also told to shut up.
@@thelastmlg2699 That’s because he kept getting in the way of the stars of the show having a fight. Goku and Vegeta were like… “Shut up you gay extra! We’re the stars! We can do whatever the hell we want! Why don’t you go home and cry to your mommy?!”
Buu is one of those threats that Beerus was supposed to deal with especially since he was after Supreme Kai I know he wasn't in the series yet but still lol
@@kindalllowder3595 I mean, his job is mostly just breaking shit. I suppose he thought that letting Buu do his thing just made that job easier and was unlucky enough to be asleep when Buu "fought" the Supreme Kai.
I've always wondered why Beerus is only life linked with only shin. It could be that he's life linked with all of the supreme kai's, and if all of them die then beerus dies, but you'd think he'll be life linked with only the grand supreme kai. However, then again grand supreme Kai didn't get killed he just got absorbed.
@@theintelligentmilkjug944 Thats part of it, From what I heard when the grand supreme kai got absorbed, he was delinked and relinked with the next kai in line. Which would be Shin. Not sure if that's the canon explanation, but its what I think.
The funny thing is is that Shin is actually like really strong but everyone around him is just so much ridiculously stronger so he's practically made out of glass.
In other words, he's the Yamcha of the gods. Not even knocking on Yamcha. It's incredible just how strong he is. It's just that the people he hangs out with are so absurdly strong it beggars belief.
@@Mikazuchireborn there are other gods weaker than shin, such as king kai or thr other kais from the other galaxies. But unlike king kai, we saw Shin get bodied.
@bongcloudopening5404 I wonder where Mr. Popo is on the scale. The Earth Kami position seems to be a station for chosen mortals, while Popo seems to outlive them all.
it’s such a funny/great dynamic because we’re constantly reminded that beerus could just wipe out the planet whenever he wants yet characters like bulma, buu, goku, and whis all push him close to his limit
Fun fact: in the manga (and probably the anime too) this is the reason why trunks's timeline got so fucked up, there was no one to stop zamasu since shin did die in that timeline while trying to stop buu's revival which also happened years later because there was no one strong enough to have that much energy absorbed from them
The worst part about that arc is that it could have been completely subverted by Trunks asking one simple question before going back to the future. That question being "...so where is New Namek?" Trunks finds the location of New Namek, Bulma builds a ship to get to it after the androids are dealt with, goes to New Namek, and wishes on their dragon balls for the earth to be restored to before the androids attacked, and for everyone killed by the androids to be revived. Now Earth is back to normal, all the Z fighters except Goku (and maybe Vegeta) get revived, and Earth's dragon balls are restored, since Kami and Piccolo never fused. Trunks is still strong enough to kill Buu, same as in the original story, and if Shin dies, then the dragon balls could be used to revive him - and by extension, Beerus. (This might also lead to Beerus taking his job a bit more seriously since he just died, and potentially training Trunks to become a Super Saiyan God.) And since Beerus is alive, Zamasu's plan never sees fruition.
@@cyberginc9831 You misunderstand; I'm saying he asks during Z, just before going back to the future at the end of the Android saga. Not after Goku Black starts his ultra-genocide during Super. The whole reason for Goku Black choosing to start in Trunks' future specifically is because Beerus is dead in his timeline. And he's dead because Shin died during the fight with Buu. If Trunks found out where Namek was during the Android saga, he could've restored the earth using their Dragon Balls and revived everyone who died - and if that didn't revive Kami and Piccolo (since they didn't fuse), then he can bring Dende back to become Earth's guardian. Either way, Earth gets a new set of Dragon Balls, so even if Future Shin dies, he can be brought back - thus Future Beerus would still still be alive and the Zero Mortals Plan is stopped before it even starts.
He almost demoted the entire divinity of the 7th Universe... He killed all kais but shin, kibito w'd die, he probably w'd attempt to use the Z-sword ans w'd die with elder kai too. This means all kais w'd be dead. with that beerus also passes away, with that Whis is deactivaded from his role. The grand kai, and the regular kais aren't enough to do anything tho, and the planetary gds as kami w'd be no problem. buu w'd wipe out even afterlife... Myabe only when grand priest noticed, then 2 things w'dve happened: 1 - The order in the universe w'd be restored witha kai beying promoted to supreme kai, and a new destroyer apointed, restoring the divinity from the top to bellow and the mortal power 2 -Zeno w'd just destroy the verse.
@@kukukukukuku7244 You guys underestemating shin, the dude was almost as strong as Namek saga Full power frieza, so when beerus sleeps, frieza was he only known mortal that has peak power in universe 7 before buu.
@@GeoedQueen The Kaios are also all relatively weak in all of the Universes. Imo its a terrible flaw considering how many people could just eradicate them with ease and also get rid of the god of destruction that way.
@@GeoedQueen it's still a massive flaw considering how little the Kais are protected. Not just in universe 7s case. Plus Kais are very limited in Number. Buu already came close to killing Beerus as a result (and beerus stupidity with elder Kai also cut him off as a replacement should have shin also died). And sure a Kai can be replaced. A god of destruction not so much. A Kai is just being born every X amount of years aprox but a God is tricky. You have to find a proper candidate who is capable of wielding the power of destruction, has the correct mindset and then also has to be trained and the proper potential. Like in U7 the only option right now would be potentially vegeta. Freezer doesn't have the mindset and Goku does not want to be a destroyer.
Honestly I was expecting the scene from the World Martial Arts tournament; when Goku threatened to dome the kai, when he started getting in-between him and Vegeta! While Buu bouncing on Shin was probably close to killing him. I'm pretty sure he was closer to peeing his pants with SSJ Goku feet away charging that blast.
Buu wasnt killing them after absorbing. He was feeding himself with their energy, so destroyers should live without problem. This same with Perfect Cell. Cell only killed people for their blood to get stronger, but after he got someone stronger he wanted to merge with them.
@@littlemoth4956 it's his own dna and he has both namekian cells for regeneration as saiyan cells to become stronger from being injured so he could get an infinite smoothy hax by drinking himself, giving himself endless energy and biomass
@@youtubestudiosucks978 Cell's goal of absorbing 17 and 18 was rooted in the fact that Dr Gero couldn't install the Infinite Energy Reactors into Cell himself. For Cell to become complete, he needed to integrate 17 and 18 because they each had the reactors built within them. Two infinite energy reactors were required for the process.
@@malikplayman3520By this point Frieza could one-shot his Namek self in his first form so not the biggest accomplishment nowadays, especially with what happened with Frieza in the manga.
@@malikplayman3520Current frieza is the strongest(except beerus and whis, ofc) with his black form. He one shot UI goku and UE vegeta and I am sure he can thrash the Z-fighters too so, yeah. Beerus is in trouble if frieza ever finds out.
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I know the video is about Supreme Kai almost dying to Buu, and it's a really good point, but it's overshadowed by the sheer delight of the clip of Buu licking all the pudding to spite Beerus. God, I love Buu so much.
I wonder, even if Shin died during the Buu saga and they revived him later with the dragonballs, would Beerus come back to life as well? That could be a good 'what-if' path for a dragon ball GT story if Beerus stayed dead.
i don't think so their deaths may be tied together but that doesn't mean their births are, the kais are a single race whose only purpose to to be a kai, the gods of destruction are chosen from already existing mortal races in each universe as we know so far.
I don't think Shin was connected to Beerus here. I think it was old Kia in the Z-sword that was life linked to Beerus. Beerus got pissed off at him for some reason and decided that sealing him away was the best way to protect himself and get his kicks or whatever. The disappearance of the Supreme Kai caused an imbalance, and the tree that bears Kais to life started trying to fill in a perceived empty Supreme Kai position. But since Beerus was still connected to old Kai, the tree was confused and kept spitting out supreme Kai's to fill it and each one failed to link to Beerus which caused the loop to continue. This is why I think the universe had so many Supreme Kais, all of which had little education on what they are actually supposed to be doing. Beerus didn't care about them because they weren't linked to him, and no one was there to teach them otherwise. When old Kai passed his life force to Goku, is when the link passed from old Kai to Shin, and Beerus was properly linked to the new Supreme Kai.
0:48 Ahhh damn it, you should have put the scene where Goku threatens to blast Shin instead. That would have been funnier, I think, even if out of context. But still W
I'd like to imagine Beerus woke up with a back ache and knew what happened when he woke up. But didn't want to tell anyone that he almost died in his sleep like a grandpa so he kept it on the downlow. Whis would probably have been watching but thought it too amusing to intervene
The only consistency is toriyamas hate of vegeta as he makes vegeta lose every main battle even when it's clearly going to be his win especially the vegeta vs golden frieza and vegeta vs Moro toriyama really showed his I hate vegeta crap by giving frieza and Moro instant plot Armour at the end of there fights against vegeta.
But, the current Supreme Kai was one of 4 Kais, North, South, East, and West. And then there was Dai-Kaio above them (the fat guy Buu absorbed). This doesn't quite make sense...
Beerus would most likely be linked to the leader of the supreme Kai's Dai-Kaio But when Buu absorbed him, the link was severed, as him being now a part of Buu. And the link thus transferred to the last remaining supreme Kai, Shin.\ No death happened, so Beerus didn't die.
So what happens when the Supreme Kai role gets passed onto someone else? Does Beerus just lose his job? What about when Supreme Kai fuses? Is Beerus just... Like... Shoved into the nearest being with the ability to fuse and forcefully mixed with their body?
both questions were answered in the anime. >the title used to belong to the Old Kai that was trapped inside the sword, but Shin took over and it's mentioned in the anime that he and Beerus are now linked instead of Beerus and Old Kai >the fusion thing is irrelevant; they only share a life link. if Shin fuses with someone, then he is linked to that fusion, since it has Shin in it
than Zeno have to destroy the universe. because by the time he check it out. there's hardly any life in it anymore. and all he can see is a crazy child breaking everything in it's way.
@@rickydiscord7671 i was thinking more along the lines of supreme kai being the universe's life support and if he dies it just poofs into nothing on its own.
Biggest plot hole they created for the series 😂 Even if Beerus was asleep the entire time, you'd think Whis would wake him him and deal with the threat
the fact that Goku even pointed out that he just has to beat the kaioshin to beat Beerus sounds like foreshadowing ... sometimes I get the impression that Goku is just playing the idiot in super all the time because there are so many threats around and he needs their guidance first. the weirdest interaction was when Goku wanted to press the zeno button, and Beerus threatened him and saying your naivity might be a bigger threat than lord zeno himself suddenly Goku's face and voice became serious like his old DBZ self for a moment while even the music switched to a serious tone.
if Frieza knew that, he probably would've went after the supreme kai before his training and then die, because the supreme kai is stronger than him. Frieza's father never warned him about the supreme Kai. that or he tries after his training, in which case, he could go to the realm of the kais. what's frieza gonna do then?
As much as I enjoy Dragon Ball, this is a prime example as to why writing is not Toriyama's strong suit. I'd even go so far as to call it bad at times. In DBZ, there were multiple supreme kai's, most of which were either killed or absorbed by Buu. It's the reason fat Buu exists and why fat Buu is gentle when compared to the other iterations of Buu, because of the gentleness of the fat Supreme Kai that he absorbed. The point is, it's clear that the original idea was there were several Supreme Kai (4 I believe, one for each cardinal direction) to watch over the universe. In DBS however, it's clear this is no longer the case. Every universe has one Supreme Kai with a Destroyer linked to them. This would imply that Buu not only killed several Kais, but their associated Destroyers. Given what we know of Destroyers and the fact there are angels overseeing them, it's unlikely Buu would have been allowed to run rampant killing Kais without at least one Destroyer intervening. And what about the Destroyers linked to absorbed Kais? Are they still around? The answer is obviously no because those Kais and their never-have-existed Destroyers have been effectively retconned out of the story. Retconned is a bizarre word to describe it though, however accurate, because it's clear that Toriyama simply forgot they existed and it's not the only example of him forgetting details of his own work. I mean, what about when Toppo became a Destroyer in the ToP? Did a Supreme Kai pop into existence in that moment? It's sloppy. Now I'll admit that the existence of other Supreme Kais in DBZ was a relatively small, albeit incredibly important detail, only being explained in a few minutes within the context of (I believe) a single episode. Their implication however was extremely important to the story and the fact that their existence has been wiped from history due to poor lore management is the very definition of bad writing.
Goku ALMOST did "kill" Beerus back in Z, when he was about to obliterate Shin as SS1, going to fight Majin Vegeta. And, let's not forget Majin Buu, who was even closer at accomplishing that.
These scenes are a good reminder of how terrifying Goku is given the situation - Current Vegeta would side with Beerus about Whis casually revealing an opponent's weakness and also killing an innocent person that was not being a bother, especially with the guilt he experienced after the Majin Vegeta arc. Goku on the other hand, doesn't give a damn about the person who is literally the superseding god of their galaxy, who is part of the reason that Gohan got stronger, and who helped them defeat Buu to a small extent. Back when he was going to wipe out Supreme Kai for trying to prevent him from fighting Majin Vegeta, one could rationalize it as Goku being desperate to reach out to Vegeta whilst protecting innocent people, or failing that, at least giving Vegeta a warrior's death, which is why he refused to let anyone stand in his way... but even in a casual context he has zero sympathy for whether Supreme kai lives or dies
Given how so many of his opponents have usually boasted about themselves "being" supreme beings above others (like Freeza or Cell), he probably just decides that he doesn't care about their wellbeing the moment they declare themselves as "supreme" in ANY capacity as such, regardless of whether it's a title or whatever.
Honestly it doesn't make sense, do they get "soul bonded" when the Destroyer takes up the position? What happens to the previous destroyer when a new one takes the office? Unless the candidate has to fight them to the death, but that also begs to question if killing the Destroyer kills the Supreme Kai
No concrete answers but the destroyers all seem to have been mortals a long time ago, I'd guess that there divinity is linked to the kai of there universe. The clown destroyer was training a replacement so I think they can retire and allow themselves to return to mortality
Yes killing beerus will kill shin it works both ways future zamasu killed future shin that why there's no beerus in future trunks timeline shin would also die if goku or frieza got strong enough to kill beerus.
@@robertharrison1058 I'm not sure about that I don't recall any mention of it working both ways, tho I'm pretty sure if it does work like that shin and the others aren't really worried about there respected destroyers getting killed since if they do get murdered the Kai would follow soon in either scenario
as shown by Old Kai and Shin, yes, when someone else takes up the role of Supreme Kai, the soul link also changes. Beerus sealed Old Kai in the Z-Sword, but when Shin took over, Beerus and Shin became linked - as evidenced by Future Trunks' timeline, where Beerus is dead because Goku Black killed Shin.
Whis: "If the Supreme Kai of a universe dies then the Destroyer of that universe dies with him." Goku: [Thinks back to the Buu Saga when he threatened the Supreme Kai]
I know, I forgot about the scene where Goku was about to wipe Supreme Kai at the arena. I hadn't thought about that scene before I made this video, cause I thought it was funny how Buu nearly killed Beerus before they met and hated each other afterwards.
Quick question. Do you think Beerus would die if Shin died? Or do you think Elder Kai in the Z sword and now out of the Z sword plus Buu with Dai-Kai-O in him would prevent that? I’ve had this question ever since this rule was introduced.
I know Shin is the OFFICIAL Supreme Kai, but there’s multiple of them. So how do they tie in?
@@Kaempfdog I think Beerus' urgency to protect the "Supreme Kai" was pointed towards Shin, despite Elder Kai being the one familiar with Beerus. Shin officially took over as Supreme Kai, for whatever that means as a Kai. Even Elder Kai, due to the way he treats Shin, would see that Shin IS the Supreme Kai
Didn’t elder Kai say beerus trapped him in the z sword ain’t that a plot hole I could be wrong
@@randommate3778 he did, in fact, in the original Z anime/manga, the Elder Kai simply said a powerful being sealed him in the sword
@@naus_edits So beerus Life its link ti,two kais? Maybe nine? 🤔
"You're being a rude guest"
Tough talk for someone who almost died in their sleep because of buu
Dead soul to beerus: hey how did you die?
Beerus: I died peacefully in my sleep.
Dead soul: that's a nice way to go.
Beerus: unlike the untold number who were killed by a giant piece of gum man baby
And because of Vegeta and Goku, they both threatened to kill Kaiyoshin if he didn't get out of their way.
Only because he was attached to a much weaker being.
@@somedudewatchintv5297and? He IS attached. There is no alternative.
@@somedudewatchintv5297it's to make balance, creation and destruction. If god of destruction is evil enough to kill supreme kai without consequences. Then it's create as weakness when god of destroyer goes berserk and no one can stop it. They just make supreme kai die
Buu really was starting all of the smoke
He wasn’t starting all the smoke he is the smoke
The REAL God of Destruction
@@ronin7561 honestly I can believe that
@@HumbleBC998 very accurate yes
@@mr.valeyard8810 lol always was always is
I like how Goku took more issue that killing Supreme Kai would be "cheating". He gave no fucks about straight up murdering the guy who is essentially the god of their universe.
In the JP dub he also mentions shin is his friend idk why they didn't add that for the eng dub
The stupid localization teams make baffling choices that make it worse for us.
@@obsidianfrost9514That’s good. I was wondering why he would mention wanting a better challenge and not the fact that he wouldn’t murder both his friends (Beerus and Supreme Kai)
i mean hey remember the buu arc, he did hold supreme kai at ki blast point
@@lmaouwild Yup. In all honesty EN DUB probably cut down how many words he said to try to better match mouth movement. Tho they end up cutting some important info sometimes.
Beerus obviously didn’t exist canonically back then but it would have been cool if Beerus mentioned that he was having nightmares that his life was in danger while he was asleep during the Buu saga.
he is kinda mentioned when Elder Kai told Shin that there's a powerful "Evil" (maybe because of his destructive acts as a destroyer) being sealed him in the Z Sword and it turns out Beerus is the one who sealed him. But since Beerus doesn't exists the time when Dragon Ball Z was airing, yeah he's not canon at all (if you're going to lead the story towards Dragon Ball GT) but i think even in GT, Beerus exists but only he didn't fought Goku.
@@lancetraje2882I feel like if beerus was canon in GT then he would be destined to meet goku, if not then he would just be asleep for the entire show
@@Guy_dripif that's the case then maybe that's where Goku went after leaving with shenron
@@lancetraje2882 Thinking back on it, it's kind of crazy how Toriyama left that plot hole open for like 20 years lol
No he did exist,it’s just no one at the time mentioned him.
remember that time in the buu saga where goku basically held shin at gunpoint so majin vegeta could fight him
so close to killing beerus way before he was introduced lel
Now that you say that I should have put that clip as well 🤣
@@naus_edits And also in Babidi's spaceship, before Vegeta got possessed, Vegeta held the Supreme Kai at gunpoint too, not only that Supreme Kai was also told to shut up.
imagine somehow beerus saw a video of that on the internet
@@douglashtang damn supreme kai got a tendency of being held at kipoint
@@thelastmlg2699 That’s because he kept getting in the way of the stars of the show having a fight.
Goku and Vegeta were like…
“Shut up you gay extra! We’re the stars! We can do whatever the hell we want! Why don’t you go home and cry to your mommy?!”
Buu is one of those threats that Beerus was supposed to deal with especially since he was after Supreme Kai I know he wasn't in the series yet but still lol
Bro was shleep
See, this is why Beerus is terrible at his job.
@@kindalllowder3595 I mean, his job is mostly just breaking shit. I suppose he thought that letting Buu do his thing just made that job easier and was unlucky enough to be asleep when Buu "fought" the Supreme Kai.
It's a testament to how shitty Universe 7 is.
@Jahrusalem he didnt even know who buu was, he just lazy af and it nearly killed him
Kid Buu: *Absorbs Grand Supreme Kai, and murders all the supreme Kai's but Shin.*
Beerus: "I Sleep"
I've always wondered why Beerus is only life linked with only shin. It could be that he's life linked with all of the supreme kai's, and if all of them die then beerus dies, but you'd think he'll be life linked with only the grand supreme kai. However, then again grand supreme Kai didn't get killed he just got absorbed.
@@theintelligentmilkjug944 Thats part of it, From what I heard when the grand supreme kai got absorbed, he was delinked and relinked with the next kai in line. Which would be Shin. Not sure if that's the canon explanation, but its what I think.
@@somerandomguy2263 it's also funny that there's no grand supreme kai or other supreme kai's in the other universes.
*Gets a random dream* Real shit?
He was afraid of buu
The funny thing is is that Shin is actually like really strong but everyone around him is just so much ridiculously stronger so he's practically made out of glass.
In other words, he's the Yamcha of the gods.
Not even knocking on Yamcha. It's incredible just how strong he is. It's just that the people he hangs out with are so absurdly strong it beggars belief.
@@Mikazuchirebornwould not he surprised if yamcha beat shin too
@@Mikazuchireborn there are other gods weaker than shin, such as king kai or thr other kais from the other galaxies.
But unlike king kai, we saw Shin get bodied.
@bongcloudopening5404 I wonder where Mr. Popo is on the scale. The Earth Kami position seems to be a station for chosen mortals, while Popo seems to outlive them all.
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Buu fighting Beerus over pudding is probably one of the funniest most memorable moments for me in dbs
Especially when Vegeta goes "Can't relax for one second!"
it’s such a funny/great dynamic because we’re constantly reminded that beerus could just wipe out the planet whenever he wants yet characters like bulma, buu, goku, and whis all push him close to his limit
"Come on, I can't sit down for one second?!"
-Vegeta
Thank you, I couldn't understand what he said
more like Dadgeta at that point!
I like how Goku basically phrased sportsmanship in a purely selfish way.
That’s cus he’s a Saiyan.
Fighting is the only thing that matters to them.
It’s their life.
@@DamontheDemon7 not all. besides, there's also eating.
@ghostface4404 well of course; fighting burns calories, not to mention all those transformations and the screaming.
@@ghostface4404 I heard that Goku being a Saiyan was a recon
ya but knowing his mouth he's gonna blurt it out to every living being in every universe
i like to imagine in the Buu saga, Beerus just randomly starts screaming in the middle of the night as Whis wonders if he's possessed or smth
If TFS did the Buu saga, that would have definitely been included.
@@waves2378well now you may get your wish.
20 years before beerus was though of
Fun fact: in the manga (and probably the anime too) this is the reason why trunks's timeline got so fucked up, there was no one to stop zamasu since shin did die in that timeline while trying to stop buu's revival which also happened years later because there was no one strong enough to have that much energy absorbed from them
The worst part about that arc is that it could have been completely subverted by Trunks asking one simple question before going back to the future. That question being "...so where is New Namek?"
Trunks finds the location of New Namek, Bulma builds a ship to get to it after the androids are dealt with, goes to New Namek, and wishes on their dragon balls for the earth to be restored to before the androids attacked, and for everyone killed by the androids to be revived.
Now Earth is back to normal, all the Z fighters except Goku (and maybe Vegeta) get revived, and Earth's dragon balls are restored, since Kami and Piccolo never fused. Trunks is still strong enough to kill Buu, same as in the original story, and if Shin dies, then the dragon balls could be used to revive him - and by extension, Beerus. (This might also lead to Beerus taking his job a bit more seriously since he just died, and potentially training Trunks to become a Super Saiyan God.) And since Beerus is alive, Zamasu's plan never sees fruition.
@@ShadeDergon97 Goku Black genocides every other race in the universe before Trunks go back in time
@@cyberginc9831 You misunderstand; I'm saying he asks during Z, just before going back to the future at the end of the Android saga. Not after Goku Black starts his ultra-genocide during Super.
The whole reason for Goku Black choosing to start in Trunks' future specifically is because Beerus is dead in his timeline. And he's dead because Shin died during the fight with Buu. If Trunks found out where Namek was during the Android saga, he could've restored the earth using their Dragon Balls and revived everyone who died - and if that didn't revive Kami and Piccolo (since they didn't fuse), then he can bring Dende back to become Earth's guardian. Either way, Earth gets a new set of Dragon Balls, so even if Future Shin dies, he can be brought back - thus Future Beerus would still still be alive and the Zero Mortals Plan is stopped before it even starts.
Buu really THAT close to kill a god
Man's was squaring up twice against Beerus. Just didn't know it the firs time
By the beginning of the story Buu is already an amalgamation of dead gods.
Well buu did kill gods, kais are Gods, just not strong anymore
He almost demoted the entire divinity of the 7th Universe...
He killed all kais but shin, kibito w'd die, he probably w'd attempt to use the Z-sword ans w'd die with elder kai too. This means all kais w'd be dead. with that beerus also passes away, with that Whis is deactivaded from his role.
The grand kai, and the regular kais aren't enough to do anything tho, and the planetary gds as kami w'd be no problem. buu w'd wipe out even afterlife... Myabe only when grand priest noticed, then 2 things w'dve happened:
1 - The order in the universe w'd be restored witha kai beying promoted to supreme kai, and a new destroyer apointed, restoring the divinity from the top to bellow and the mortal power
2 -Zeno w'd just destroy the verse.
Kid Buu killed 2 supreme kai's and absorbed 2 others... XD
Damn 😂 “all I have to do is GET RID of Supreme Kai” 🤣🤣
Don't ever tell frieza that.
@@robertharrison1058 oh shit you’re right, frieza would DEFINITELY jump at that opportunity
@@robertharrison1058"BEERUS LOOK, IT'S SUCH A TRAGEDY. IT'S THE SUPREME KAI - HE WAS KILLED BY A STRAY ENERGY BLAST"
@@robertharrison1058now I'm imagining the supreme Kai exploding like Krillin when Goku first used the super Saiyan form
@@endoskel9262 kidnap, hostage, threaten, poor shin and beerus 😂
Vegeta at the end had me dying
You know a guy's OP when his one weakness is something that's completely out of his control
kidnap him, imprison, forcefeed?
@@kukukukukuku7244force feed????
@@kukukukukuku7244 You guys underestemating shin, the dude was almost as strong as Namek saga Full power frieza, so when beerus sleeps, frieza was he only known mortal that has peak power in universe 7 before buu.
@@monviewonvie4259shin can 1 shot frieza bro, shin is super saiyan 1.5 level. So does the other supreme kais or they can be stronger a little bit.
Yeah supermans kryptonyte
Imagine if Beerus finds out that Goku and Vegeta at one point literally threaten the Supreme Kai…
Not to mention Buu nearly killed him. Perhaps Beerus beating up Buu wasn’t entirely because of the pudding.
Whis rewinds time and Beerus can kill ‘em
It’s crazy seeing how close Buu was close to ending the universe.
Thats why he’s called a universal majin threat
A rare drawn together profile pic, love that episode. lol
Buu really said, "Fuck cats, that's why I got a pup at home."
Buu: Buu is dog person👶
Beerus: *I don't like you* =_=
I mean I like to think this was Bibidi's reason for going after the Kais in the first place.
Beerus must’ve had some bad sleep during the buu saga
I can just imagine Beerus waking up from a bad dream (Shin getting whupped) and having a craving for sweets
Bro was wallowing in his sleep
“I’d just have to get rid of Supreme Kai, and that’s it?”
Damn, goku made it sound so easy- 😂
Well it is
@@hutao3548 I’m aware, considering he almost killed him before
@@GeoedQueen The Kaios are also all relatively weak in all of the Universes. Imo its a terrible flaw considering how many people could just eradicate them with ease and also get rid of the god of destruction that way.
@@Surtr174 Yeah, but then a new Kai would just step up.
But it makes sense. To have a character be so strong and then have a huge weakness
@@GeoedQueen it's still a massive flaw considering how little the Kais are protected. Not just in universe 7s case. Plus Kais are very limited in Number. Buu already came close to killing Beerus as a result (and beerus stupidity with elder Kai also cut him off as a replacement should have shin also died).
And sure a Kai can be replaced. A god of destruction not so much. A Kai is just being born every X amount of years aprox but a God is tricky. You have to find a proper candidate who is capable of wielding the power of destruction, has the correct mindset and then also has to be trained and the proper potential.
Like in U7 the only option right now would be potentially vegeta. Freezer doesn't have the mindset and Goku does not want to be a destroyer.
Honestly i really like this. They give Beerus, the strongest force in the DB universe, a believable weakness that even ties back to an older character
Honestly I was expecting the scene from the World Martial Arts tournament; when Goku threatened to dome the kai, when he started getting in-between him and Vegeta! While Buu bouncing on Shin was probably close to killing him. I'm pretty sure he was closer to peeing his pants with SSJ Goku feet away charging that blast.
Yeah, I wish I had thought about that scene when I made the video 😅. I was just bored 😆
@@naus_edits it's cool. Just reminiscing epic moments, that's all
@@jo-hansebasitinnamehiddenb5680 If it weren't getting views rn I'd update the video 🤣. Ah well...
Leave it to Buu to start problems.
Buu wasnt killing them after absorbing. He was feeding himself with their energy, so destroyers should live without problem. This same with Perfect Cell. Cell only killed people for their blood to get stronger, but after he got someone stronger he wanted to merge with them.
i think you have Cell a tiny bit off. only 17 and 18 would be absorbed, it was part of his programming. anyone else, consumed for biomass and energy.
@@pulsefel9210 yeah but what if cell goes back in time to fuse with himself?
@@youtubestudiosucks978 I think you should reread their comment
@@littlemoth4956 it's his own dna and he has both namekian cells for regeneration as saiyan cells to become stronger from being injured so he could get an infinite smoothy hax by drinking himself, giving himself endless energy and biomass
@@youtubestudiosucks978 Cell's goal of absorbing 17 and 18 was rooted in the fact that Dr Gero couldn't install the Infinite Energy Reactors into Cell himself. For Cell to become complete, he needed to integrate 17 and 18 because they each had the reactors built within them.
Two infinite energy reactors were required for the process.
The time when Frieza finds out about this fact, the real smoke will start
🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐
This only proves that buu was even MORE of a menance then the internet originally gave him credit for
Bro is part of the menace leader council and easily the elder
Imagine nearly dying in your sleep because you’re too lazy to do your literal life’s purpose.
Relatable.
why imagine?
I wonder what Buu would become if he managed to eat Beerus
Wonder if it's even possible... I forget if Buu has a power limit or not to what he can absorb
Buurus?
We will never know because Beerus is a menace.
Only if he was sleeping lmao
Considering the jawbreaker incident, I'm not even sure if that's possible.
Imagine if beerus found out what buu did 💀💀
If Freiza ever finds out about that it would be a big problem for Beerus
Man if Frieza ever found out
supreme kai said he could defeat easily freeza, at the time of buu of course
@@malikplayman3520By this point Frieza could one-shot his Namek self in his first form so not the biggest accomplishment nowadays, especially with what happened with Frieza in the manga.
@@malikplayman3520Current frieza is the strongest(except beerus and whis, ofc) with his black form. He one shot UI goku and UE vegeta and I am sure he can thrash the Z-fighters too so, yeah.
Beerus is in trouble if frieza ever finds out.
If Akira Toriyama dies, we so too, became saddened. Unfortunately, it's time, he died at the age of 68. Rest in Peace legend, the whole world will remember you ✌🏻
So that is why supreme Kai didn't die in Buu saga😂
I know the video is about Supreme Kai almost dying to Buu, and it's a really good point, but it's overshadowed by the sheer delight of the clip of Buu licking all the pudding to spite Beerus. God, I love Buu so much.
Makes me wonder when or if literally anyone will ever tell Beerus just how close he came to dying due to his naps.
Vegeta had major dad energy at the end. "These damn kids!"
I like to imagine Beerus just had heart attacks every time the Supreme Kai was getting his ass kicked by Buu.
What a bad time for Beerus to sleep through everything that happened with Supreme Kai.
Beerus had the same issue as any new superhero in the MCU now. Its always "where the FUCK were you when we all almost got wiped out by Thanos/Buu?!"
Knowing Goku as well as we do, there's nothing to worry about.
Yeah, except he might let it slip to, say, Vegeta.
my god the noise Buu makes at 1:04 fucking killed me
It's funny how beerus was asleep through all of that imagine if he was awake through the buu sage maybe he would of gotten his pudding then
Very funny and accurate 😂
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I like how that scene of Buu attacking the supreme was edited in here that was probably running through Goku's head during this conversation.
But we all know Beerus had a backup Kaioshin whom he sealed in Z-sword. xD
Exactly my thought.
Nah, doesn't work like that. Shin is the Supreme Kai. If he dies, Beerus dies with him immediately.
Imagine that was the plan that Babadi and his father had this entire time . Kill off the supreme kai so Beerus won’t pop up to oppose him
Buu licking all the pudding cups messes me up 🤣🤣🤣
I wonder, even if Shin died during the Buu saga and they revived him later with the dragonballs, would Beerus come back to life as well? That could be a good 'what-if' path for a dragon ball GT story if Beerus stayed dead.
It worked for picollo and kami so it should work for shin and beerus too
i don't think so their deaths may be tied together but that doesn't mean their births are, the kais are a single race whose only purpose to to be a kai, the gods of destruction are chosen from already existing mortal races in each universe as we know so far.
I think it would go "Revive supreme Kai" = Beerus stays dead.
But "Revive everyone killed by Buu" = Beerus returns.
“That’s crazy! I mean not that I ever would…”
Yeah not like you had a Ki blast pointed right at Shin’s face at one point or anything lol
So basically if you ever piss beerus off and want to save earth just hold Supreme Kai captive on earth
“I CANT SIT DOWN FOR ONE SECOND!?!?!?”
-Vegita
Goku: THERES NO FUN IN THAT
brother didn't even flinch that the option was off the table
I don't think Shin was connected to Beerus here. I think it was old Kia in the Z-sword that was life linked to Beerus. Beerus got pissed off at him for some reason and decided that sealing him away was the best way to protect himself and get his kicks or whatever. The disappearance of the Supreme Kai caused an imbalance, and the tree that bears Kais to life started trying to fill in a perceived empty Supreme Kai position. But since Beerus was still connected to old Kai, the tree was confused and kept spitting out supreme Kai's to fill it and each one failed to link to Beerus which caused the loop to continue. This is why I think the universe had so many Supreme Kais, all of which had little education on what they are actually supposed to be doing. Beerus didn't care about them because they weren't linked to him, and no one was there to teach them otherwise. When old Kai passed his life force to Goku, is when the link passed from old Kai to Shin, and Beerus was properly linked to the new Supreme Kai.
Goku says he wouldn't do it but if Supreme Kai didn't back down from him in the Buu Saga, he would have!
These types of retcon make me roll my eyes so hard.
0:48 Ahhh damn it, you should have put the scene where Goku threatens to blast Shin instead. That would have been funnier, I think, even if out of context. But still W
I'd like to imagine Beerus woke up with a back ache and knew what happened when he woke up.
But didn't want to tell anyone that he almost died in his sleep like a grandpa so he kept it on the downlow.
Whis would probably have been watching but thought it too amusing to intervene
Imagine being to lazy to even save your own life
Toriyama makes long term fanfic writing hard because he keeps making shit up and adding new rules and dates!
The only consistency is toriyamas hate of vegeta as he makes vegeta lose every main battle even when it's clearly going to be his win especially the vegeta vs golden frieza and vegeta vs Moro toriyama really showed his I hate vegeta crap by giving frieza and Moro instant plot Armour at the end of there fights against vegeta.
The amount of disrespect to lick every pudding cup was quite amusing
Calling it right now. Frieza will discover this bit of info and use it.
Buu is low key still the greatest threat in DB
Zeno>>
But, the current Supreme Kai was one of 4 Kais, North, South, East, and West. And then there was Dai-Kaio above them (the fat guy Buu absorbed). This doesn't quite make sense...
Beerus would most likely be linked to the leader of the supreme Kai's Dai-Kaio
But when Buu absorbed him, the link was severed, as him being now a part of Buu.
And the link thus transferred to the last remaining supreme Kai, Shin.\
No death happened, so Beerus didn't die.
Boo threatening to turn beerus to candy and eat him is gold 😂😂
Bro was feeling them backshot fr😂
So what happens when the Supreme Kai role gets passed onto someone else? Does Beerus just lose his job? What about when Supreme Kai fuses? Is Beerus just... Like... Shoved into the nearest being with the ability to fuse and forcefully mixed with their body?
Probably nothing if we go by Namekian logic where Piccolo fusing with Nail literally had zero affect on Kami back on Earth, so....
both questions were answered in the anime.
>the title used to belong to the Old Kai that was trapped inside the sword, but Shin took over and it's mentioned in the anime that he and Beerus are now linked instead of Beerus and Old Kai
>the fusion thing is irrelevant; they only share a life link. if Shin fuses with someone, then he is linked to that fusion, since it has Shin in it
Damn...Goku did almost get rid of Supreme Kai too. 😂
Beerus acting like a spoiled child when Buu refuse to give him pudding XD
Buu and beerus arguing was like siblings arguing over who gets the last 3 cookies 🤣
Just wait until Beerus finds out Goku almost killed Shin on purpose.
People don't seem to get that Beerus *chose* not to one shot Goku in their first fight.
incidentally the reason buu is so dangerous is because it's not just the destroyer god that dies with the kais.. it's the entire universe.
than Zeno have to destroy the universe. because by the time he check it out. there's hardly any life in it anymore. and all he can see is a crazy child breaking everything in it's way.
@@rickydiscord7671 i was thinking more along the lines of supreme kai being the universe's life support and if he dies it just poofs into nothing on its own.
@@kamerondonaldson5976 that's the point. no life so Zeno have to clear the universe off. what's the point of a universe when there's no life?
Can't believe Beerus his laziness almost became his undoing in the Buu saga
Damn he must've been having some restless nightmares that day lol
Wait, wouldn’t this explain why Beerus trapped the old Supreme Kai in the Z-Sword?
Basically he made his own horcrux
Biggest plot hole they created for the series 😂 Even if Beerus was asleep the entire time, you'd think Whis would wake him him and deal with the threat
Whis clearly doesn't give a fuck, though. if Beerus dies he'd simply go "Oh! Well I never!! Time to find a new destroyer, I guess..."
@@craque_victorhes been trying to fine a new destroyer lmao
the fact that Goku even pointed out that he just has to beat the kaioshin to beat Beerus sounds like foreshadowing ...
sometimes I get the impression that Goku is just playing the idiot in super all the time because there are so many threats around and he needs their guidance first.
the weirdest interaction was when Goku wanted to press the zeno button, and Beerus threatened him and saying your naivity might be a bigger threat than lord zeno himself suddenly Goku's face and voice became serious like his old DBZ self for a moment while even the music switched to a serious tone.
Black Frieza: Ya don't say?
Beerus is so incredibly childish and I adore it
Imagine if frieza knew about this secret. He would already taken place of beerus 💀
if Frieza knew that, he probably would've went after the supreme kai before his training and then die, because the supreme kai is stronger than him.
Frieza's father never warned him about the supreme Kai.
that or he tries after his training, in which case, he could go to the realm of the kais.
what's frieza gonna do then?
@@WednesdayMan i am talking about frieza after obtaining golden form. Frieza in top arc is definetely stronger than supreme kai.
@@shounenking313 what about black frieza, he could kill supreme kai with one blow
@@jpgaming08 overkill bro💀 golden frieza or frieza from dbs would be enough for supreme Kai
Buu really just ate all of the puddings... while they were still in the glass cups. It's a good thing he can regenerate all those cuts
Lmao, that is incredibly funny. Poor Lord Beerus.
As much as I enjoy Dragon Ball, this is a prime example as to why writing is not Toriyama's strong suit. I'd even go so far as to call it bad at times.
In DBZ, there were multiple supreme kai's, most of which were either killed or absorbed by Buu. It's the reason fat Buu exists and why fat Buu is gentle when compared to the other iterations of Buu, because of the gentleness of the fat Supreme Kai that he absorbed. The point is, it's clear that the original idea was there were several Supreme Kai (4 I believe, one for each cardinal direction) to watch over the universe.
In DBS however, it's clear this is no longer the case. Every universe has one Supreme Kai with a Destroyer linked to them. This would imply that Buu not only killed several Kais, but their associated Destroyers. Given what we know of Destroyers and the fact there are angels overseeing them, it's unlikely Buu would have been allowed to run rampant killing Kais without at least one Destroyer intervening. And what about the Destroyers linked to absorbed Kais? Are they still around? The answer is obviously no because those Kais and their never-have-existed Destroyers have been effectively retconned out of the story. Retconned is a bizarre word to describe it though, however accurate, because it's clear that Toriyama simply forgot they existed and it's not the only example of him forgetting details of his own work. I mean, what about when Toppo became a Destroyer in the ToP? Did a Supreme Kai pop into existence in that moment? It's sloppy.
Now I'll admit that the existence of other Supreme Kais in DBZ was a relatively small, albeit incredibly important detail, only being explained in a few minutes within the context of (I believe) a single episode. Their implication however was extremely important to the story and the fact that their existence has been wiped from history due to poor lore management is the very definition of bad writing.
Goku ALMOST did "kill" Beerus back in Z, when he was about to obliterate Shin as SS1, going to fight Majin Vegeta.
And, let's not forget Majin Buu, who was even closer at accomplishing that.
A perfect match, the one diety who created planets and the other deity who destroys.
Supreme kai:hey beerus do whatever i want so or ill kill mysled
These scenes are a good reminder of how terrifying Goku is given the situation - Current Vegeta would side with Beerus about Whis casually revealing an opponent's weakness and also killing an innocent person that was not being a bother, especially with the guilt he experienced after the Majin Vegeta arc.
Goku on the other hand, doesn't give a damn about the person who is literally the superseding god of their galaxy, who is part of the reason that Gohan got stronger, and who helped them defeat Buu to a small extent.
Back when he was going to wipe out Supreme Kai for trying to prevent him from fighting Majin Vegeta, one could rationalize it as Goku being desperate to reach out to Vegeta whilst protecting innocent people, or failing that, at least giving Vegeta a warrior's death, which is why he refused to let anyone stand in his way... but even in a casual context he has zero sympathy for whether Supreme kai lives or dies
Given how so many of his opponents have usually boasted about themselves "being" supreme beings above others (like Freeza or Cell), he probably just decides that he doesn't care about their wellbeing the moment they declare themselves as "supreme" in ANY capacity as such, regardless of whether it's a title or whatever.
@@BioGoji-zm5ph hmm, I never considered that
Honestly it doesn't make sense, do they get "soul bonded" when the Destroyer takes up the position?
What happens to the previous destroyer when a new one takes the office? Unless the candidate has to fight them to the death, but that also begs to question if killing the Destroyer kills the Supreme Kai
No concrete answers but the destroyers all seem to have been mortals a long time ago, I'd guess that there divinity is linked to the kai of there universe. The clown destroyer was training a replacement so I think they can retire and allow themselves to return to mortality
Yes killing beerus will kill shin it works both ways future zamasu killed future shin that why there's no beerus in future trunks timeline shin would also die if goku or frieza got strong enough to kill beerus.
@@robertharrison1058 I'm not sure about that I don't recall any mention of it working both ways, tho I'm pretty sure if it does work like that shin and the others aren't really worried about there respected destroyers getting killed since if they do get murdered the Kai would follow soon in either scenario
as shown by Old Kai and Shin, yes, when someone else takes up the role of Supreme Kai, the soul link also changes.
Beerus sealed Old Kai in the Z-Sword, but when Shin took over, Beerus and Shin became linked - as evidenced by Future Trunks' timeline, where Beerus is dead because Goku Black killed Shin.
“That’s crazy, I mean not that I ever would…” -Goku
Kakarot:”He wouldn’t do it, but I will.”
Shin with the Ren and stimpy screams 😂
Goku almost killed Supreme Kai lol
😂
This lore is funny especially when I haven't even seen Beerus interact with the Supreme Kai.
I love how this life link gives Shin free reign to absolutely shit on Beerus throughout Super.
I just imagine Whis, watching Shin get demolished and then turning his head slowly to smirk at a sleeping Beerus.
Imagine if the link included feeling each others pain.
Imagine beerus screaming each time supreme Kai got hit while Buu thrashed Supreme Kai
Whis: "If the Supreme Kai of a universe dies then the Destroyer of that universe dies with him."
Goku: [Thinks back to the Buu Saga when he threatened the Supreme Kai]
What an adorable purple kitty.
Who wants a treat?