In my openion, we must learn walking before running. In a country where slight increment in platform ticket, results into public anger, I think vande bharat will be high standard even after 20 years. Dont forget we are still using old coaches predominantly.
Not all coaches are old. The LHB coaches are new reason why shatabdi train is fastest because it got first LHB coaches imported from Germany later we got tech transfer and And VB trains connect Indian tier 2 and tier 3 cities, business people can travel up and down in single day. Also it will capture volvo segment with more speed.
After 20 years India will be a high income economy by per capita income So how can You Guess that after 20 year vande Bharat still Will be expensive you are so dumb
10+ years in future, how about exporting the older Vande Bharat trains to lesser developed countries? This way, newer versions of modern trains can be inducted by that time
@@leyvithanTech yes this vande Bharat express is a not main vande Bharat main vande Bharat express is fourth generation he capable of 230+ speed current train are first stage of smart train
Very rarely do we get positive critical videos of our infrastructure. While many RUclipsrs simply keep gushing over the Indian infrastructure story, nobody does a critical analysis pointing out the pros and cons. Good job 👍
Other countries have far more expensive tickets than India. You will also have to pay a lot more if you want the same services as them Vande Bharat is a good value for money train. This is a badly researched video
@@andyistphdhpc2726 A London to Paris train via Eurostar costs 60Euros. And if you look at the speed and convenience it really isn’t that expensive. And the cost of running those kind of trains here is cheaper due to lower labor and land costs. He’s referring to what could be done better. Railways being the largest employer in the world has a lot more room to do better..
@@andyistphdhpc2726 You need to consider that the labor, land and operating costs in Europe are much higher than India. Add to the fact that they are private enterprises..
For once I think you have completely missed the mark here, every European country is still procuring 160 Km/h trains and even japan does that for standard service railway. Converting every rail line to highspeed isn't economically feasible in any county and standard speed rail will always be viable. So don't worry about VB getting obsolete as there will thousands of KMs of routes available in India for these trains to run outside of the golden quadrilateral.
Exactly. I don't understand why people automatically assume that Europe and Japan = all trains running at 300 km/h. That is simply not the case. And America is laughable in terms of passenger rail. It is much worse than IR.
@@Boiled_potato_69 Mumbai - Ahmedabad proper high speed corridor is being build on standard gauge as a separate line as is the international norm. Those trains wont be VB .
@@Boiled_potato_69 bro running high speed trains where not needed will be also inefficient and very expensive for many people. Yeah there should be one or two higher speed trains on every route but not every train needs to be super high speed train. What would be much much better will be that that all trains run on time.
@@om8414 my argument is not about High speed trains or only trains my argument is about contrast of every kind of infrastructure like dont make high speed train and run them through the slums make a above average train and developed the slums a good livable place.
jahan pe tracks ban sakte hain wahan kahin jaga bana rahe hain, mere sheher ke aaspaas dekh ke bata raha hoon. bahut jaga me possible nahi hai. wahan pe bottleneck reh hi jayega.
The biggest blunder of VB is that it costs 3x the cost of normal AC Chair Car while providing same speed There is no reason for me to use VB over existing trains
I disagree. Vande Bharat will be Perfect for India. In next 25 years, if India grows at 6-7% annually, our per capita GDP will be $12000 per Annum, which puts us at Middle Income Country at that time. Say if we upgrade our tracks and Vande Bharat will have newer versions doing 200 Km/h, which isn’t slow. The cost of running these trains would be much lower compared to the European TGV or Japanese Shinkansen. Hence the ticket prices would be much more affordable, half of the prices of a bullet train. Good for a middle income economy. Besides that, India would have access to Bullet trains on the main routes and urban centres, where most of the richer people live anyway. Bullet trains will cater to people who want speed for a price. And then of course we have Flights for longer journeys. Hyperloop already seems to be a failed concept. Japan still hasn’t improved much of their speeds in the last 20 years. I don’t see anyone making much progress in this area. Maglevs are still very limited and are as expensive as flights. The max improvement they will bring is 500 km/h. We can work on that front later. The current upgrades are perfect for our country imo. When we will become developed, then we can think about these things.
construction of bullet train is also very expensive. Our govt. is spending 1.67 lakh crore for 508 km of bullet train corridor. At this cost it will be extremely expensive to upgrade all indian tracks to be capable of high speeds(250km+). India has a total of 50,000km+ operational railway route and around 1.25 lakh kilometers of total track length. It will cost billions or probably trillions to convert them to high speed rail. It is impossible for our economy to achieve this in a short or medium term. China operates the world's largest high speed rail network of 40,000+km of total route length. It cost them 400 billion dollars to construct. But still this has lot issues mainly the large operating costs. The Chinese HSR is now in 900 Billion dollars of debt. Such project will be an economic disaster for India. We also have to keep in mind that all bullet trains run on standard gauges and normal railway is of broad gauge. We either have to upgrade all our tracks to standard gauge which will cost even more money and all our trains that are currently operational must be decommissioned (including VBs) as they are designed to run on broad gauge rail. Any sane person with understand that this will be an extremely stupid idea. Now the other way is to develop a high speed train that is capable of running on broad gauge rail. This will also require significant money and resources not only for the research and development of rolling stock but also for the upgradation of tracks, over head electric wires and their tensioning system. Practically speaking Vande bharat trains will be operational for a long time (without going obsolete) . So does the conventional non EMU trains. Because each train has a role to serve. Correct me if iam wrong.
you are absolutely right. China is definitely regretting sinking a trillion dollars into HSR to Tibet and Other places, which is hardly useful! China isn’t a successful economic model which we should blindly follow. We should adjust according to our needs and preferences, while taking good things from other models from different countries. Many people ignore the understandings and importance of Gauge in a Rail or Metro system. What we get is content like this which is just blind criticism without a feasible solution. In my opinion Bullet trains should be Built In a Golden Quadrilateral Way similar to National Highways were built before this with 4 main centres : Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore-Chennai and Kolkata. We can create a Quadrilateral Route (current Ahmedabad Mumbai train will be a part of Delhi Mumbai stretch) and then also create diagonal routes from Mumbai to Kolkata and From Delhi to Bangalore (cities like Indore, Nagpur, Hyderabad, Bhopal,etc. will be covered under this) North south line can be extended from Amritsar to Thiruvananthapuram and East west Line can be extended till Guwahati
Hear me out, having a lot of VB trains isn't a bad decision. Vande Bharat trains are supposed to run at 200 km/h max because they are conventional non high speed trains. Even in Europe countries, Japan and China, most lines are non high speed conventional lines with maximum speed limits ranging from 160 to 200 km/h. In the US, where only one corridor (Nort East Corridor) is suitable for high speeds (230 km/h), other lines have a max speed limit between 110 km/h to 130 km/h. In China, non HSR ljnes are between 130 - 200 km/h and in Japan, non HSR is capped between 130 km/h (narrow/metre gauge) to 160 km/h (standard gauge). Our trains are already running at the speeds of standard conventional trains around the developed world. Let that sink in. We cannot have HSR Corridors everywhere. They are most suitable for routes that have a high density usage and I don't just mean railway usage (like Mumbai - Ahmedabad - Delhi, Delhi - Kolkata, Mumbai - Bangalore, Mumbai - Hyderabad, Trivandrum - Bangalore, etc.). VB trains will act like complementary services to the HSR corridors as well as connect the country as a whole. (VB will act like how national highways connect with expressways (HSR)). Most of the country cannot have HSR but they can certainly have Vande Bharat trains.
To be honest, the ticket prices for bullet trains are very expensive and not suitable for the current India. The most important thing the government should do is to renovate old lines to achieve a standard speed of 160.
exactly the point, most people while comparing forget, than even in china and japan all trains are NOT high speed trains or ultra high speed ones like maglev etc. there are different types of technical trains and speed and comfort classes everywhere
@@keyaowang2202 Bullet trains are going to compete with domestic air travel and to be honest, they can certainly do that very well. So, their price will not be an issue. They will be slightly more expensive than Shatabdis and VBs. A bullet train can stop at 5 to 10 stations in between Mumbai to Ahmedabad and still cover that distance in just 2 and a half hours. Airlines cannot even dream of doing that. Bullet trains are just far more convenient than air travel can ever be, especially for door - to - door travel. So yeah, on some major routes, Bullet trains are going to be a massive success. Of course, they cannot be implemented everywhere.
@@jaguarunleashed4935 Thanks for understanding. IR is on the right path with Vande Bharat trains. We also need proper, high frequency, comfortable, fast and economically suitable regional trains in between many cities. That will eliminate the need for long distance trains to have stops everywhere and having unreserved coaches. Those 2 things eat up a lot of time for those long distance express trains. A robust regional train network is much more preferable to that. Don't know when IR will also have Inter Regio trains like that of Switzerland.
Ticket prices will be higher. First we need to grow our people’s incomes. Vande Bharat is perfect for the next 25 years. Newer versions of Vande Bharat will be taken which will be capable of 200 km/h. Tracks upgrade should be done till then. And iske saath Japanese bullet Trains with 320 km/h toh a hi rhi hai.
@@tvsittare7126 who says? This country direct tax payers have suffered enough to facilitate free lifestyle of POOR. Why should the taxpayers not get facilities when the idiots are being subsidized by govt for everything. They can travel in their desired bogeys or trains, development cant be halted to punish the hardworking taxpayers sho deseve good facilities. If people find services expensive, they can travel in normal trains, not like those are not operated anymore
The demographics, purchasing power, etc of our country is very different. I'm not sure if such ultra modern trains will be feasible here even in the coming 5-6 years. But I do agree with your point, Vande Bharat trains are average according to western standards.
IR has 68k length of tracks. With a speed of 9.5 kms per day, we are covering around 3500 kms per year. So it will take 20 years to upgrade the entire track. The speed is too low IR has 17 zones, if each zone can do 2 - 5 kms per day we would complete the task atleast 5 times faster ie. in 4-5 years ..
@@BuddyReiner You don't really need viaducts, but they are ideal in order to ensure obstruction clearance and straighter routes. Some poorer or more sparsely populated countries like Uzbekistan don't bother because they cannot entirely afford to. Uzbekistan's Talgo Afrosiyob trains hit 250, but travel on the ground. They even have level crossings (albeit crazy ones with concrete bollards and barriers which block cars at a fair distance from the tracks).
In my opinion, Indian railways should focus on converting non-AC coaches to AC coaches rather than financing an expensive project which only a handful will travel on.
@@bvk4520wrong information for dense population bullet train is the way to go, Japan has a revenue of 4billion each year from Bullet train. Bullet train will significantly be cheaper for the air travelling commutators as it will not just save time for someone travelling between Sabarmati and BKC, example if the stop is in Vapi he will need to buy a ticket to Mumbai airport then travel by car back to Vapi rather he can just take the Bullet train.
Totally agreed BUT a big problem is the per capita income of India is too low people cants afford ac sections we live in good cities with avg/middle class income so we can do that but a large majority of Indians are too poor to afford the AC or vande Bharat so first the income should be increased then facilities
I think the railway will commission all the 500 vande bharat and will also work on the side project of upgrade once the last delivery happens they will start upgrading the old Vande bharat which are being launched today to new standards which at that time will be enough according to our standard and will name time Vande Bharat Mk1 or something so in the long run I see it working.
The biggest issue I encountered while travelling in Vande Bharat was the fit and finish issues. We must aim for perfection in design and build quality to compete at a global level and for achieving global standards.
One only gets the fit and finish that one pays for. Are we paying for tickets in £ or € or ¥ or $? Those currencies have a lot of buying power? At least right now. We can always produce an export quality version of VB that they'll pay for in foreign currencies. For better quality pinne can always travel in Indian bullet train with high ticket prices.
@@TheGuruNetOn kya bakchodi kar rahe ho 😡 vande bharat to khud he imported hai, uski poori technology, motors, control systems, VFDs sab Siemens, ABB, GE, hitachi, toshiba, wagera se liya gaya hai ya license fee dekar india me copycat manufactured hai...
trains r meant for fast, safe, cheap & efficient mass commuting through large distances...not for fashion shows, insta reels, tea parties & mujhra shows....railways must focus on important things and not on sadakchaap bakarchodees... railways is distracted from its real duties, making luxurious stations, converting stations into malls, providing 5* food r all secondary things....plus the final results of all these exercises will be too poor to be bragged about...this is typical desi chapri style....how to ruin & disfigure good things
Instead of separate trains, railways should have launched them to replace existing ones like Shatabdi express. This could have made more positive impact. We already have too much rail traffic and running this as a new train just adds to the traffic. One day or the other we had to move to Trainsets and this is a good first step though.
Actually we will have additional capacity when the DFCs will be completed so the number of trains is not a big problem as most cargo trains will have separate lines. Yes in some sections where there are no DFCs will have this problem
@@abirnigam8816 Not really. They will replace Shatabdi with a different variant of Vande Bharat one by one depending on the route. If the track is upgraded then Vande Bharat can easily beat Shatabdi anyday.
0) One of the biggest benefits will also be in tourism where tourists will be more comfortable and economy will benefit from their spending here. 1) We're too much used to using outdated stuff at home and admiring great infra when doing tourism outside. Time we came out of colonised mindset and started expecting better infra at home. 2) As tracks get upgraded over the years we'll see the benefits in speed dept also. Let us enjoy the comforts and smaller benefits in speed right now. Let's not get into parties like, "which came first chicken or egg". We have to start somewhere in upgrading, so let's start with trains. 3) Since it's Made in India we'll also see upgrades in quality to world standards as we can always improve the technology that we created without paying through the nose for every upgrade.
I think making large of train will give enough expertise... What we can do later, when new technology arrives, is pass these vande bharat to t3 cities or replace them with local trains(which are in very bad situation in Kolkata and Mumbai) and replace these vande bharat trains with some recent technology
Bhai mai Finland mai rehta hu aur yaha max speed 200kmph hai par majority trains 160kmph se zyada nai jaati. Par yaha local train bhi 120kmph jaati hai kyu ki stations dur dur hai aur frequency kam hai (every 5-10 mins). Mumbai jaise sheharon mai nai kar sakte ye. Europe mai har train 300kmph nai chalti. There is still room to grow for 160kmph trains. Better tracks so that trains can achieve their top speed more often will improve the average speed overall. One thing which we badly need is tilted boogies so that turns can be done at higher speeds. Average speeds are much more important than top speed. Even if the train only runs at 120kmph, if it can maintain this speed for longer time, it will significantly reduce the duration. For now, Indian trains run on average below 70-80 kmph. There is not much difference in journey duration compared to a bus. Abhi ke liye Vande Bharat acha hai. Tracks improve karna zyada zaroori hai. In theory Vande Bharat can run at 180kmph but the tracks are really bad and old on most routes.
Metros have to run between all cities in a state, particularly number to increase within a state, where commercial (merchants & Kissans) & educational (students of graduate & above, jobs oriented) activities. Each state's have to connected to Delhi, with minimum stops, high speed Vande Bharat trains. " TIME & ENERGY IS MONEY & VICE VERSA." While travelling, people must have multiple facilities for carrying out multi tasks to earn or knowledge or information.
Sabse pehle 250 km handle karne wale track ko mission mode mai construction karna hoga train to aati rahegi ab vande 2.0 3.0 etc etc but Sabse important railway tracks hai jo update karne ki jarurat china walo ki speed jese
I travelled recently. The inside work of the train is patchy and the floor was dirty. A lot of work needs to be done. There's a lot of hype around this train but honestly it is average.
Even the poorest asian countries like Laos and Thailand have bullet trains. Why is such a big deal about this train? It's not even considered high speed...
arey yaar we don't need to match global standards everywhere. Vande bharat all around till 2030 would still be amazing. We have 1.4 billion people, even having just 15k dollar per capita would make us top economy in world, while 15k per capita isn't that impressive by GLOBAL Standards. Services should be decent, and mass distributable. Not best. Some places should have world standard stuff, but not in a lot of places in india, at the expense of something cheaper, which masses can enjoy.
I should also consider that semi-high-speed trains in Japan and China have a lower ground clearance to lower the center of mass of the train. However, due to the Indian standard of platform height, Vande Bharat Express trains are more upright compared to international standards. If in the future all Indian railway stations update their platforms according to future trains, claiming on the current Vande Bharat Express could become difficult.
260 to nahi but next generation will have 220km/h speed which is more than enough for a convental train with tilting technology newer design with more aerodynamics & aluminum body. Pata nahi ye kyun nahi bola video me
Yeah and there are multiple iterations of Vande Bharat. The 3rd iteration of Vande Bharat will have most of the things mentioned in this video like Wifi, sleeper coaches, etc. We don't know whether by the time these trains come it will be world class or not but certainly those will be better than the current trains like Rajdhani & Satabdi.
Sir, its not possible mostly. There are no trains across the world which can run above 220 kmph in conventional tracks. In reality crossing 200 kmph is very difficult. Its easier and simpler to simply have bullet train tracks across india than upgrade the whole train network for 260 kmph.
Arey bhai 1-2 sal mai Europe bn jyega kya? 1) Vande Bharat ka main maqsad hai Comfort dena with reasonable speed. phle k gande coaches se chutkara dena hai iska main maqsad. - STATIONS KO AIRPORT JAISA BNA RHE WO B COMFORT KE LIYE.. 2) Vande Metro chote distance yani 250 km tak wale logo ko seperate kregi jisse coach mai bheed kam hogi.. 3) RRTS - Metro se jyada distance ki cities ko jodegi.. Ab bhai sal do sal mai Modi Ji India ko Europe bna denge kya? Comfort k sath 300km/hr ki sped ki expectation tb krte jb last ke 10-20 sal Congress ne kuch kiya hota. Bullet Train aa rhi hai..............6 Routes pr wo b chalegi............10-20 sal to lgega transform hone mai..
Are all the new orders given to private companies are Vande bharat 2 or some of the are vande bharat 3 ? coz VB3 and VB4 will have some new technologies....
vande bharat trains are constantly evolving and the latest versions of the trains have better speeds and aminities than that older one's. it is also notable that the future versions of these trains will keep on evolving both in terms of comfort and speed.
Non AC coaches band kar do. Yeh waise bi faida nahi deti. Locomotive based train abhi bi chalti hai. Railjet iska best example hai. Services aachi ho, train aachi ho, toh bhaut kuch badal sakte hai. Baat yeh hai ki janta yeh sab nahi janti. First, non AC coaches ko ban karo and deko improvement. Yeh baat mai iss bhaut baar khe chuka hoon
The Indian government is doing well, and it would be beneficial to increase the number of Vande Bharat trains. This would enhance the passenger experience and contribute to progress. If we don't introduce Vande Bharat trains, it may delay modernization efforts. Adding Vande Bharat trains is within our budget and it is a feasible option. By 2028, with an estimated Indian economy of 6-7 trillion USD, we can invest in more advanced trains, replacing the current express trains with Vande Bharat trains.
ट्रैक्स और सिग्नलिंग सिस्टम पर सबसे ज्यादा और प्रायोरिटी से काम होना चाहिए, आलरेडी बहुत ट्रेंस हैं और हमारी नार्मल एलएचबी ट्रेन भी 150km की स्पीड पर चल सकती है अगर ट्रैक और सिग्नलिंग को मॉडर्न स्टैंडर्ड पर बना दिया जाए और उस ट्रैक पर वंदे भारत आसानी से 220 की रफ्तार छू सकती है। रेलवे को वंदे भारत प्रोडक्शन रोक के सबसे पहले अपने इंफ्रास्ट्रक्चर को ठीक करना चाहिए।
Honestly Vande Bharat trains are pretty decent trains. VB are not high speed they are what regional trains are here in Germany. With average speeds of 90-100 kmph. We have chosen to build a dedicated High-Speed train network like Japan and unlike European Countries. For trains running under 160 kmph conventional signaling is used.
India ek aisi country hai jha long distance train me more than 40% log non ac coaches me travel krte hai. Hum non ac coaches bnana bnd nhi kr skte nhi to ticket price bd jaegi aur common people pr bhoj bn jaega.. Railway ko apni data shi se analyze krke aise routes nikalna hai jha non ac coaches ki demand zyada hai to Antodaya jaisi trains chlae aur jha AC coaches ki demand zyada hai wha VB jaise trains chlae... Aur modern infra ke liye NHSRCL aur NCRTC kaam kr rhi hai jo IR se boht alg hai
#AskPT Can you please give us an update regarding India's new parliament building? Can you give us a rough timeline for the entire Central Vista project and when we can expect it to be concluded?
Fun fact. All trains in Japan are not Bullet trains. Vande Bharat is part of larger solution. It is not comparable to TGV, ICE etc. We will need both. I think Railways is doing the right thing. I hope they execute it swiftly.
I see your point. You want the railways to leapfrog and skip the Semi-HSR to HSR just to be future proof. But the govt wants to build a strong domestic industrial base along with encouraging domestic Design IP. This can only be made viable by making big orders. Making AC trains w/ wifi standard should be the goal of next 15 years in my opinion.
Actually this is the agile way of development. If you spend too much time and resources in developing the world class technology you'd most likely not meet the budget and time requirements and by that time the latest technology would be far ahead. Instead they are developing what can be fast adopted by our existing track framework. Once it sets the pace of Indian trains they should upgrade tracks which can handle 300km/hr. Then release newer and better VB trains that can touch 250-300. Something similar happens in Germany, they have ice 1,2,3,4 and ice 3 neo and slow trains still exist on lower priority routes. India can also move VB trains to regional trains and release faster trains on long routes. Like imagine Delhi to Bhopal train running every 2 hours. Small trains at high frequency help a lot since the bridges and infrastructure required can also be built of lesser capacity and faster and cheaper. Combine all these facts the vision of VB trains is amazing and if everything goes well we'll be at a much better place in next 10 years. It's very important to grow at the pace which nation can sustain. Ticket price can be another such factor. Why roll out a technology which can't be afforded. It'll remain unused. See the bullet train already coming as a pilot program. Cities of high economic growth will be connected via those on a completely different track so that this old existing track won't need much upgrade. I feel the vision and execution is really amazing. The word here is agile development and pragmatic thinking.
1:45 ye point mujhe samajh nahi aaya. Jab Vande Bharat officially Semi-High Speed train hai, then why are we comparing it with the "lowest standards of actual high speed trains"? and not with other semi high speed trains?
those who have been to European countries and asian countries like china , Japan can relate how backward Vande Bharat trains are...china is making 1000km/hr train . 450 km/hr plus trains are operating in china named maglev
I disagree with you... Government is doing the right thing. Let me explain India has 64,000 km of rail network. We cannot have complete network of high speed rails.its not economically feasible, what we need is bullet trains on main city routes and remaining network with well maintained trains and decent average speeds. Even european and american countries also use 160 kmph trains, they will be the major trains for common people. Consider the time frame of 10-15 Years ahead -Railways started replacing old icf with lhb coaches phase wise. by 2030 LHB trains will be major fleet in IR, they are the back bone and will be used as normal daily trains which will be affordable for major people. - by that time we will have our DFC's fully operational, so traffic of goods trains will be shifted on to DFC which reduces load and traffic on the network and allows daily passenger trains to travel at high average speed hopefully at 160 top speed. - Now coming back to Vande Bharat, these trains will replace services like Rajadhani and Shatabdhi by 2030/2035. and these will in general be premium trains.railways also working on upgrading tracks in major routes, allowing LHB and VB run at more speeds. Vande bharat may run at its max speed at 180 kmph. - We will have indegenous high speed trains of 3rd or 4th gen vande bharat with 230 kmph max speed on elevated corridors on some important routes. - We cannot build high speed bullet trains on every route and it will not be economically feasible. Only important golden quadrilateral routes like Delhi - Mumbai - banglore- Chennai - Kolkata - Delhi and North South(delhi- Nagpur - Hyderabad- Chennai) and East-West corridor ( Kolkata -Nagpur-Pune-Mumbai) should be sufficient for High speed rail corridors and covers all major cities. This way we will have High speed rail network of bullet train along with semi high speed VB and regular LHB trains with decent average speeds.
Your point is very valid. Building world class railway from scratch is very expensive and can be done only by compromising whatever existing facility railway is now providing. Vande Bharat is targeted at the luxury bus passengers. And only a miniscule percentage of railway passengers are using it. The speed provided by it is comparable to the regular Volvo services, using the existing infrastructure In a 700 km radius at the most. The new sleeper Vande Bharat can extend this to 1200 kms Upgradation of track is expensive and can be done only in the routes which are economically viable in a step by step manner. Available bullet train technology uses standard gauge which require replacement of all rail lines existing in India or build new lines like Ahmedabad Bombay bullet train. The alternative is to develop a bullet train technology that is viable on broad gauge in a step by step manner. Even countries like Japan took decades to jump from 80 km trains to the present generation bullet trains. China which already had standard gauge lines is the only exception, where they borrowed heavily to build extensive bullet lines which are highly subsidized and underutilized. Creating massive losses for the Chinese economy. Regarding tilting Talgo trains existing platforms cannot accommodate them and will require a separate platform specially made for its specifications. The only viable solution in India is to progress from 80 to 130 to 180 km then to 260 km and later on to bullet trains on the existing broad gauge lines which can be upgraded progressively looking at the economic viability and requirements of such projects on a case to case basis. One positive aspect of the Vande Bharat project is that it is handled by private sector and we can expect better and faster technology adoption than the bureaucratic Indian railways where nobody is willing to take any risk adopting new technologies
Vande bharat is successful and will be successful due to its cheaper rates compared to bullet train. I highly doubt that people will be willing to pay 3000+ Rs for a 400km journey. For longer journeys bullet will be very less favourable as journey time will also increase compared to airplanes. So VB will be cheaper option for middle and lower middle class people.
It feels so good to hear someone who publicly agrees with me. Most Indians need to learn how to identify and criticize flawed decisions. I don't know why Indian railways is ordering garbagey 70 year old tech rail cars, that not only make India look backwards and unmodern (give India a bad image globally) are extremely uncomfortable and unsafe as well.
Aap ne jo ek ek baat ki hai wo kasam mai yahi socha karta tha mujhe laga mai akela hu Aur ye baat kahunga to log fir desh gaddar bolenge 😢 thank you power train ❤
In the developed nations have had 200km plus trains for over four decades. Therefore you are right about Vance Bharat not being even average in terms of its speed when compared with the global peers. However, the reason for slow speed in India is out dated tracks rather the design limitation of Vande Bharat. There is need to invest in the rolling stock.
Also vb should not run on political demand such as ajmer delhi vb. The train was extended to ajmer for political reasons but is not able to completely fill its quota from ajmer further having delhi cantt as o/t station and having time clashing with janshatabdi and double decker is also not able to fill the pax. Though the train is fairly successful from jaipur it should have run on a longer rouge.
India me hamesha garib logo ke baare me hi soch ke infrastructure bana rahe the, ab aage badhne ki jaroorat. Jitna contribute Middle class and upper class kr rahi and jo main driving force hai unke baare me sochna chaiye. from 70 years we kept supporting poors but still not getting results that means something is wrong.
Bullet trains are for the people like you bro who can afford that I know it feels wrong that you have to pay so much money in tax but get nothing in return but the sad reality is that most people can't afford high prices as our per capita income is very low
@@IgneousAsh Bro thats the missing part, why compare just GDP per capita, why not based on purchase parity. See petrol prices gone significantly up in last few years had its consumption reduced?, do income increased yes. Income have increased but many prices kept unchanged like of railways, buses etc. middle class share is increasing so does infra for them.
Make a video : there was a time where China and India are in the same stage in the term of train technology. But in recent years so how we are gonna catch up them and how they've become technological advance
@@noideasforanyhandlesorry990 We became idealistic socialists and remained like that till the early 2000s. While Chinese politicians played smart & ditched economic communism. We were forced by the IMF to liberalise our market while China did that on its own by strategically opening its market to America. I really hate China for many things but man our politicians did a big blunder following socialism too seriously. But then again America itself was quite hostile towards us at that time & our relationship with Europe wasn't so good (because of colonial exploitation which was kinda capitalistic as well). So I guess the reluctance of people & politicians towards free-market capitalism or any kind of capitalism was expected. Welfare Capitalism is the only way India can progress today while slowly & steadily removing the socialist hangover that our population possesses. The socialist hangover of our people is the reason they protest against factories, infrastructure projects & progressive policies like farm bills, labour reforms, land reforms, etc. Like in my state people protested against a factory which would have provided thousands of jobs influenced by some politicians for 10 years. And then that factory went away to another state. Now the same people are protesting against the government to provide them jobs. Isn't it dumb? They themselves wanted to do "Pan leaves farming" and now they demand the government to provide them a job? Our people need to understand it's not the job of the government to provide jobs but to provide infrastructure & policies for people to make jobs for themselves. It is the people's duty to provide jobs to others.
@@surajnag3650 You are right about many things- especially the part of us taking socialism seriously (that hangover is still there) however, I would like to correct some things. Colonialist economy comes under the categories of mercantilism and extraction, not free market capitalism. Mercantilism acted as a transition into free market capitalism for some countries. Plus, its dishonest to say that only European countries engaged in colonialism when many empires before them (and some, after them) have engaged in it. The European powers were more successful at it because of better technology and strategy.
रेलवे पैसा खर्च कर रहा है लेकिन मालगाड़ी दौड़ाने पर। वर्तमान में 60% यात्री ट्रेन 04 से 05 घंटे लेट चल रही हैं । और ये हाल पिछले दो साल से लगातार बना हुआ है।
Akhir govt bina matlab ka logo ko khana jabardasti kyu deti hai. Usse acha ticket ka price kam kar dena chahiye. Ya fir option dena chahiye ki train me khana chahiye ya nahi
Yes well said bro Japan and Germany maintained their quality from the day one, even after 100 years we will be in the same condition because of our Indian mindset I don't understand why we are not quality conscious, 75 years down since independence we don't have a single global product from India
The most important factor that should be kept in mind which you have missed(you might be coming from a privileged family, take this positively), is the global warming. All AC coaches will lead to a very bad future for our generations to come. I personally agree to most of things you said. And one factor which is a bit of lesser importance that previous one is the pocket of consumer. Today 80% of train coaches are sleeper or sitting. And they provide a lot of revenue to the railways. Railway will lose a huge percentage of people in India, if all coaches and trains are made high speed as US or European standards.
Yeah you are right bro but problem is people do not want to hear this they think if someone point out these things they are either anti government or do not know about these things at all. Like every time I see military equipment i am happy but at the same it looks lame, vintage and when I say about it people’s often reply is anti india, Pakistani, western mindset etc etc because to most of us Indians every equipment is like if it works that is ok. Modern looking or if it will work in the future are not problems. Like our soldiers gear often look loose size little big for them be it helmet or jacket, and how they wear now this is not criticizing our army this is a point how our soldiers should look so they look intimidating and cool. How can we say what we want so I give examples, like now US company working on Abraham X new tank for American military see how futuristic it looks and powerful, west combine looks and power. We only focus on power how it looks our design teams do not work on that and people also say “ahh it doesn’t matter” But it does matter. If your weapons or equipment is effective, powerful, cool, pleasing to the eyes why not make that, after all whole world do that. focus on how their products look
what's need to be realised is- --slow train network with ballast and rock formed tracks are economical for big countries. --high speed train network with ballastless tracks are economical for small countries. because trains chillar chutta hay; tracks loot mar ta hay. look how much money china is loosing on high speed trains.
Not agree with you this time: in tecnology we take one or two step ahead...we cant jump to 7 8 steps. We cant compare ourself with US ans EUROPE. we just started modernization it will take time. For now vande bharat is good can be better would be the best.
Sir, its not possible to make much faster train than vande bharats current top speed. Maximum it can reach 210 to 220 kmph.There are no trains across the world which can run above 220 kmph in conventional tracks. In reality crossing 200 kmph is very difficult. Its easier and simpler to simply have bullet train tracks across india than upgrade the whole train network for 260 kmph.
well maybe by vande bharat they mean vande bharat class which with time will include upgraded models like vande bharat mark 3 or vande bharat mark 5 which will be much modern and faster Anyways having all very high speed train may sound good but we also have to keep income of general people in mind, those trains will be too expensive for majority of people to ride.
Just run Vande Bharat at its maximum speed which is around 180KM. A distance of 500KM can be covered in 3-4 hours which is really good. Such as Delhi to Lucknow. Keep doing reseach and do trails on Bullet train in big economic hubs.
#Askpt why the local streets of our cities doesn't have proper lining from white markings of lane to yellow markings for footpath. Why road marking is limited to national highways and main roads.
only in India 30, 50 years old technology can be sold as some sort of revolutionary technology. Even china hasn't advertised their maglev as much as we do on Vande Bharat train. It's nothing compared trains running in Europe, china, east Asia. But there is no denying that we have come long way in railways post 2014 . Still miles to Go In terms of railways technology.
How can they advertise maglev when it's just a prototype of whole different & unrelated technology with no guarantee of being feasible while vb is just a modernized version of convention train which is operational not prototype. Trains running in Europe are not convental trains they are hsr With very low passenger ridership indian railway gets billions of ridership evry year can't compare aren't we also building shinkansen?.
They should do the advertisement as they have the right to do so as our previous leaders were sleeping when these types of trains were being built why didn't they focus on trains at that time it's not like they didn't have data on what should be developed or not railways lost most of their cargo shipment share to roadways we could have developed this type of tech in 90s or 2000s but there has to be a will to changing and developing something
It was a good presentation. However, the title music in the initial part of the video is too loud and irritating. Please reduce the volume to a comfortable level. People are interested in the content rather than the title music.
Vande Bharat serves many issues for bharat. 1. It's a initiative for make in India, on technology trials and self reliance. 2. A step towards further advancement. 3. A experiment to test real running and how different divisions maintain the systems. In future, we may design maintenance proof systems, or simplify systems. 4. Whatever, it's our experience and not something thrown at us as inferiors by outsiders. Your presentation represents a anti Modi stance, but he is doing his best for us.
The comment section proves the fact that people with surface level knowledge will not be able to comprehend what you talked about. You are absolutely correct powertrain bhai
This video doesn't make sense, India has diversity in income level lot more than European or North American countries. We have people who travel in private planes to people who cannot even afford bullock carts now. So, Indian Railways takes care of lot of people in lower economic base but it will go to loss even more the passenger section if it doesn't cater to people who can afford to go through their car but travel in train for comfort by paying for reserved seats. India is now trying to get more of the people who travel through car and may not ride Indian railways to get on the train by showing vande-bharat and also asking for higher price for the ticket. India shouldn't change all trains to vande-bharat or better even if we can afford to do so. The price of ticket in vande bharat is unaffordable to lot of Indians, in future their income level will increase definitely but so will the ticket price with better speed and amenities in the train. India will have use the strategy of maybe 30-50 years time depending on Indian growth to actually pull people above poverty lines. India maybe will subsidize the ticket price for poor once it reaches this time but won't happen in 10 year horizon that is considered in this video. Not possible at all with India bureaucracy, we are not china. We have to ask everyone and make most of the people agree with us before moving forward in Indian government.
That is one point but another point is there are many people booking it and there are no seats available. I have faced this too. And that bad finishing is also a problem. Hope they do something. I like everything perfect and these things bugs my brain.
What if railway’s start an vandebharat from chuchgate-Dadar-andheri-virar with just 4 stops and i think journey time will be 20 to 25 minutes some mumbaikars would love it and even this train will be fully crowded in rush hours
Vande bharat toh naam ko indian railway ka plan bullet train par zyada focus karta. I am jot much concerned about vande bharat hut about bullet train project. Because that is future not vande bharat.
How could you expect global standard trains( More speed, high fare, passengers with high std. Of living, and much more ) from India who has lots of poor people, need lots of connectivity compared to other nations, poor standard of living, and huge population for current GDP. Bhai bullet train to India bhi bana sakta hai pr passengers to aane chahiye utne. 2-3 route pe bullet train operate karne ka kya fayda.
I politely disagree with your point. Even if current VB trains are outdated after a decade (provided we upgrade certain sections of tracks to 200kmph) they can still be used in other parts of the country. Do not forget that Bharat has a huge landmass unlike small European nations. May be we would induct a new, upgraded high speed (200+ kmph) VB version for our major cities, it still gives us room to run current VB train for tier 2 & 3 cities with cheaper fares. I do agree that we should stop the production of all non AC coaches, and rather upgrade the existing non-AC trains simultaneously with VB development.
biggest problem is no one want to use such expensive train,goverment is forcing the public to use it as they are very less tickets(most of them get booked 1 month before the journey ) available for other trains and in order to get confirm ticket public is opting for vande bharat and not for comfort or need
well as we know first vande bharat are only capable of 160 KMPH but new one are capable of over 180 KMPH i think slowly slowly in newer version Govt will also Upgrade Speed and Designs of Vande bharat
The current Vande Bharat trainsets that are running are just version 1 and 2. And obviously not all of the upcoming 400+ trainsets are going to be of the same version. As per reports, the 475 trains that the govt has promised include Aluminum body trainsets, sleeper trainsets, tilting enabled bogies, higher top speed,etc. So definitely, future trains me technology to upgrade hone hi waali hai.
I think even the Indian govt. considering upgrading rail tracks is a win-win situation for me. Let's suppose we manufactured 500 Vande express for the upcoming 7 years there is still plenty of room exist to export semi-high-speed trains from abroad with better design. Observe their technology and efficiency, then finally start manufacturing that design.
Vande Bharat will generate more income and while talking about Bullet trains, we are not only getting bullet trains but we are getting technology to use for further expansion.
Until now, we have had the worst trains in the world... When something good is happening towards transformation, then it should be welcomed. Yes, we are growing and will be the best that, too, Made in India... This is just a beginning !
India is developing according to the average mass of people. Many things to be managed before Bullet train.... Like tracks and people who through stones on trains.
How are the other bullet train projects (beaides Mumbai-Ahmedabad) coming along when it comes to environmental approvals and property acquisitions? Why do we hear nothing about those? Have they been cancelled or put on hold?
The thing we lack is long term planning and standardization, we should learn from China not some european country. Again i am not saying government ain't doing anything, if we compare current condition to 2014 i think we are in a much better condition (still remember those shitty blue coloured icf coaches). We must learn from China they have streamlined manufacturing high speed rail and its infrastructure like some another assembly line, we have similar population,country size and we also are going through same transformation which China did 15 years ago, i am not saying we should give all the contracts to chinese companies, No hell no, what we should copy is their plan, how they actually achieved it.
Very bad opinion tbh, train tracks getting modernized and trains actually reaching 200kmph should be the current goal of indian railways, we should start with basics like improving delay average from 40 minutes to a few atmost, increasing our average speed from 56 kmph to atleast 100 kmph. Such improvements will be revolutionary from Indian railways standards which runs trains at the same technical base of countries in Africa. Your analysis is sub-par as the services of Indian railways although I love trains and IR but my love is tough love.
In my openion, we must learn walking before running. In a country where slight increment in platform ticket, results into public anger, I think vande bharat will be high standard even after 20 years. Dont forget we are still using old coaches predominantly.
Not all coaches are old. The LHB coaches are new reason why shatabdi train is fastest because it got first LHB coaches imported from Germany later we got tech transfer and
And VB trains connect Indian tier 2 and tier 3 cities, business people can travel up and down in single day. Also it will capture volvo segment with more speed.
@@idzkk LHB are new, I was talking about ICF one!
@@jaysiddhapura even lhb came decades ago!!
After 20 years India will be a high income economy by per capita income So how can You Guess that after 20 year vande Bharat still Will be expensive you are so dumb
@@jaysiddhapura IR is about to replace all with LHB for safety reasons. Yes it will take time until the last one is replaced.
10+ years in future, how about exporting the older Vande Bharat trains to lesser developed countries? This way, newer versions of modern trains can be inducted by that time
Maybe current vande bharat will become like some express train and new train will be like bullet train
@@leyvithanTech yes this vande Bharat express is a not main vande Bharat main vande Bharat express is fourth generation he capable of 230+ speed current train are first stage of smart train
@@icfak27704 I agree
China is already supporting less developed countries and their trains are much better than Vande Bharat.
Bro I am telling you nothing going to be changed in 10 years even 20 years.
Very rarely do we get positive critical videos of our infrastructure. While many RUclipsrs simply keep gushing over the Indian infrastructure story, nobody does a critical analysis pointing out the pros and cons.
Good job 👍
Other countries have far more expensive tickets than India. You will also have to pay a lot more if you want the same services as them
Vande Bharat is a good value for money train. This is a badly researched video
@@andyistphdhpc2726 A London to Paris train via Eurostar costs 60Euros. And if you look at the speed and convenience it really isn’t that expensive. And the cost of running those kind of trains here is cheaper due to lower labor and land costs.
He’s referring to what could be done better. Railways being the largest employer in the world has a lot more room to do better..
@@andyistphdhpc2726 usne kab bola ticket ka kuchh bhi
@@srikanth85in Compared to India it is more expensive
@@andyistphdhpc2726 You need to consider that the labor, land and operating costs in Europe are much higher than India. Add to the fact that they are private enterprises..
For once I think you have completely missed the mark here, every European country is still procuring 160 Km/h trains and even japan does that for standard service railway. Converting every rail line to highspeed isn't economically feasible in any county and standard speed rail will always be viable. So don't worry about VB getting obsolete as there will thousands of KMs of routes available in India for these trains to run outside of the golden quadrilateral.
Exactly. I don't understand why people automatically assume that Europe and Japan = all trains running at 300 km/h. That is simply not the case.
And America is laughable in terms of passenger rail. It is much worse than IR.
Satisfy yourself with the less 😐
@@Boiled_potato_69 Mumbai - Ahmedabad proper high speed corridor is being build on standard gauge as a separate line as is the international norm. Those trains wont be VB .
@@Boiled_potato_69 bro running high speed trains where not needed will be also inefficient and very expensive for many people. Yeah there should be one or two higher speed trains on every route but not every train needs to be super high speed train. What would be much much better will be that that all trains run on time.
@@om8414 my argument is not about High speed trains or only trains my argument is about contrast of every kind of infrastructure like dont make high speed train and run them through the slums make a above average train and developed the slums a good livable place.
I think for Upcoming years we need to focus on
1. Developing more tracks for trains on congested routes
2. Advanced signalling systems
BHAI TRACK DEVLOP KRKE VOTE NHI MILEGA TRAINS K NAME PR JITNA MILENGE
jahan pe tracks ban sakte hain wahan kahin jaga bana rahe hain, mere sheher ke aaspaas dekh ke bata raha hoon. bahut jaga me possible nahi hai. wahan pe bottleneck reh hi jayega.
The biggest blunder of VB is that it costs 3x the cost of normal AC Chair Car while providing same speed
There is no reason for me to use VB over existing trains
I disagree. Vande Bharat will be Perfect for India. In next 25 years, if India grows at 6-7% annually, our per capita GDP will be $12000 per Annum, which puts us at Middle Income Country at that time. Say if we upgrade our tracks and Vande Bharat will have newer versions doing 200 Km/h, which isn’t slow.
The cost of running these trains would be much lower compared to the European TGV or Japanese Shinkansen. Hence the ticket prices would be much more affordable, half of the prices of a bullet train. Good for a middle income economy.
Besides that, India would have access to Bullet trains on the main routes and urban centres, where most of the richer people live anyway. Bullet trains will cater to people who want speed for a price. And then of course we have Flights for longer journeys. Hyperloop already seems to be a failed concept.
Japan still hasn’t improved much of their speeds in the last 20 years. I don’t see anyone making much progress in this area. Maglevs are still very limited and are as expensive as flights. The max improvement they will bring is 500 km/h. We can work on that front later.
The current upgrades are perfect for our country imo. When we will become developed, then we can think about these things.
construction of bullet train is also very expensive. Our govt. is spending 1.67 lakh crore for 508 km of bullet train corridor. At this cost it will be extremely expensive to upgrade all indian tracks to be capable of high speeds(250km+).
India has a total of 50,000km+ operational railway route and around 1.25 lakh kilometers of total track length. It will cost billions or probably trillions to convert them to high speed rail.
It is impossible for our economy to achieve this in a short or medium term.
China operates the world's largest high speed rail network of 40,000+km of total route length. It cost them 400 billion dollars to construct. But still this has lot issues mainly the large operating costs. The Chinese HSR is now in 900 Billion dollars of debt. Such project will be an economic disaster for India.
We also have to keep in mind that all bullet trains run on standard gauges and normal railway is of broad gauge. We either have to upgrade all our tracks to standard gauge which will cost even more money and all our trains that are currently operational must be decommissioned (including VBs) as they are designed to run on broad gauge rail. Any sane person with understand that this will be an extremely stupid idea.
Now the other way is to develop a high speed train that is capable of running on broad gauge rail. This will also require significant money and resources not only for the research and development of rolling stock but also for the upgradation of tracks, over head electric wires and their tensioning system.
Practically speaking Vande bharat trains will be operational for a long time (without going obsolete) . So does the conventional non EMU trains. Because each train has a role to serve.
Correct me if iam wrong.
you are absolutely right. China is definitely regretting sinking a trillion dollars into HSR to Tibet and Other places, which is hardly useful!
China isn’t a successful economic model which we should blindly follow. We should adjust according to our needs and preferences, while taking good things from other models from different countries.
Many people ignore the understandings and importance of Gauge in a Rail or Metro system. What we get is content like this which is just blind criticism without a feasible solution.
In my opinion Bullet trains should be Built In a Golden Quadrilateral Way similar to National Highways were built before this with 4 main centres : Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore-Chennai and Kolkata. We can create a Quadrilateral Route (current Ahmedabad Mumbai train will be a part of Delhi Mumbai stretch) and then also create diagonal routes from Mumbai to Kolkata and From Delhi to Bangalore (cities like Indore, Nagpur, Hyderabad, Bhopal,etc. will be covered under this) North south line can be extended from Amritsar to Thiruvananthapuram and East west Line can be extended till Guwahati
@@LplusRatioLol aplogo ke pas itni knowledge kaha se aati hai
@@saptarsi7868 is that a rhetorical question?
@@LplusRatioLol no seriously
Are yoh guys connected with railway sector
Hear me out, having a lot of VB trains isn't a bad decision. Vande Bharat trains are supposed to run at 200 km/h max because they are conventional non high speed trains. Even in Europe countries, Japan and China, most lines are non high speed conventional lines with maximum speed limits ranging from 160 to 200 km/h. In the US, where only one corridor (Nort East Corridor) is suitable for high speeds (230 km/h), other lines have a max speed limit between 110 km/h to 130 km/h. In China, non HSR ljnes are between 130 - 200 km/h and in Japan, non HSR is capped between 130 km/h (narrow/metre gauge) to 160 km/h (standard gauge).
Our trains are already running at the speeds of standard conventional trains around the developed world. Let that sink in.
We cannot have HSR Corridors everywhere. They are most suitable for routes that have a high density usage and I don't just mean railway usage (like Mumbai - Ahmedabad - Delhi, Delhi - Kolkata, Mumbai - Bangalore, Mumbai - Hyderabad, Trivandrum - Bangalore, etc.). VB trains will act like complementary services to the HSR corridors as well as connect the country as a whole. (VB will act like how national highways connect with expressways (HSR)).
Most of the country cannot have HSR but they can certainly have Vande Bharat trains.
To be honest, the ticket prices for bullet trains are very expensive and not suitable for the current India. The most important thing the government should do is to renovate old lines to achieve a standard speed of 160.
@@keyaowang2202 that is already a work in progress. upgrading exisiting lines and working parallely on other projects.
exactly the point, most people while comparing forget, than even in china and japan all trains are NOT high speed trains or ultra high speed ones like maglev etc. there are different types of technical trains and speed and comfort classes everywhere
@@keyaowang2202
Bullet trains are going to compete with domestic air travel and to be honest, they can certainly do that very well. So, their price will not be an issue. They will be slightly more expensive than Shatabdis and VBs. A bullet train can stop at 5 to 10 stations in between Mumbai to Ahmedabad and still cover that distance in just 2 and a half hours. Airlines cannot even dream of doing that. Bullet trains are just far more convenient than air travel can ever be, especially for door - to - door travel. So yeah, on some major routes, Bullet trains are going to be a massive success. Of course, they cannot be implemented everywhere.
@@jaguarunleashed4935
Thanks for understanding. IR is on the right path with Vande Bharat trains. We also need proper, high frequency, comfortable, fast and economically suitable regional trains in between many cities. That will eliminate the need for long distance trains to have stops everywhere and having unreserved coaches. Those 2 things eat up a lot of time for those long distance express trains. A robust regional train network is much more preferable to that. Don't know when IR will also have Inter Regio trains like that of Switzerland.
ये मैं भी सोच रहा था 🙂 की बुलेट ट्रेन के जमाने में हम वंदे भारत ही बना रहे है हमे बुलेट ट्रेन को ही ध्यान में रखकर काम करना चाहिए अब ❤
Fir ticket ko leke randi rone kar lena aur bailgaadi chalwa lene uss track p ki mehenga kar diya h
@@hiteshadhikariand I think that is a concern because mainly poor travel by train
Ticket prices will be higher. First we need to grow our people’s incomes. Vande Bharat is perfect for the next 25 years. Newer versions of Vande Bharat will be taken which will be capable of 200 km/h. Tracks upgrade should be done till then. And iske saath Japanese bullet Trains with 320 km/h toh a hi rhi hai.
@@tvsittare7126 who says? This country direct tax payers have suffered enough to facilitate free lifestyle of POOR. Why should the taxpayers not get facilities when the idiots are being subsidized by govt for everything.
They can travel in their desired bogeys or trains, development cant be halted to punish the hardworking taxpayers sho deseve good facilities.
If people find services expensive, they can travel in normal trains, not like those are not operated anymore
@@hiteshadhikari jada paisa ho gya h toh plane se travel kr le...garibon ki kiu maar rha
The demographics, purchasing power, etc of our country is very different. I'm not sure if such ultra modern trains will be feasible here even in the coming 5-6 years. But I do agree with your point, Vande Bharat trains are average according to western standards.
I think we Indians want to do everything quickly ,Processes like modernization of such large railway network takes time ,hope Govt gives its 100%
Tracks are being upgraded on a very fast manner that is 9.5 km per day.
Ohh 😳
For 130 kmph lol. For 250+ you need elevated HSR viaducts.
IR has 68k length of tracks. With a speed of 9.5 kms per day, we are covering around 3500 kms per year. So it will take 20 years to upgrade the entire track. The speed is too low
IR has 17 zones, if each zone can do 2 - 5 kms per day we would complete the task atleast 5 times faster ie. in 4-5 years ..
@@BuddyReiner You don't really need viaducts, but they are ideal in order to ensure obstruction clearance and straighter routes. Some poorer or more sparsely populated countries like Uzbekistan don't bother because they cannot entirely afford to. Uzbekistan's Talgo Afrosiyob trains hit 250, but travel on the ground. They even have level crossings (albeit crazy ones with concrete bollards and barriers which block cars at a fair distance from the tracks).
@@birajde3649 😍😍😍❤️
The government should focus on bullet trains for long distance journeys and vandey Bharat metro for short distance journeys.
Atleast for next 30 yrs Bullet train in India not affordable for poor and lower middle class
not economical, even china is facing huge losses due to bullet train. which could have been avoided if they used semi-high speed trains.
In my opinion, Indian railways should focus on converting non-AC coaches to AC coaches rather than financing an expensive project which only a handful will travel on.
@@bvk4520wrong information for dense population bullet train is the way to go, Japan has a revenue of 4billion each year from Bullet train. Bullet train will significantly be cheaper for the air travelling commutators as it will not just save time for someone travelling between Sabarmati and BKC, example if the stop is in Vapi he will need to buy a ticket to Mumbai airport then travel by car back to Vapi rather he can just take the Bullet train.
Totally agreed BUT a big problem is the per capita income of India is too low people cants afford ac sections we live in good cities with avg/middle class income so we can do that but a large majority of Indians are too poor to afford the AC or vande Bharat so first the income should be increased then facilities
i agree that income is low. but both things, that is increasing the income and new modern world class facilities should go hand in hand together.
I think the railway will commission all the 500 vande bharat and will also work on the side project of upgrade once the last delivery happens they will start upgrading the old Vande bharat which are being launched today to new standards which at that time will be enough according to our standard and will name time Vande Bharat Mk1 or something so in the long run I see it working.
The biggest issue I encountered while travelling in Vande Bharat was the fit and finish issues. We must aim for perfection in design and build quality to compete at a global level and for achieving global standards.
This is not your car fool. Fit and finish my foot. There are other big problems.
One only gets the fit and finish that one pays for. Are we paying for tickets in £ or € or ¥ or $? Those currencies have a lot of buying power? At least right now.
We can always produce an export quality version of VB that they'll pay for in foreign currencies. For better quality pinne can always travel in Indian bullet train with high ticket prices.
@@TheGuruNetOn
kya bakchodi kar rahe ho 😡
vande bharat to khud he imported hai, uski poori technology, motors, control systems, VFDs sab Siemens, ABB, GE, hitachi, toshiba, wagera se liya gaya hai ya license fee dekar india me copycat manufactured hai...
trains r meant for fast, safe, cheap & efficient mass commuting through large distances...not for fashion shows, insta reels, tea parties & mujhra shows....railways must focus on important things and not on sadakchaap bakarchodees...
railways is distracted from its real duties, making luxurious stations, converting stations into malls, providing 5* food r all secondary things....plus the final results of all these exercises will be too poor to be bragged about...this is typical desi chapri style....how to ruin & disfigure good things
More money means more quality. First concentrate on economic developement then focus on these small things
Instead of separate trains, railways should have launched them to replace existing ones like Shatabdi express. This could have made more positive impact. We already have too much rail traffic and running this as a new train just adds to the traffic. One day or the other we had to move to Trainsets and this is a good first step though.
do you know that shatabdi has a higher avg speed then vande bharat. so replacing shatabdi with vande bharat is a downgrade...
@@abirnigam8816no bro
Actually we will have additional capacity when the DFCs will be completed so the number of trains is not a big problem as most cargo trains will have separate lines. Yes in some sections where there are no DFCs will have this problem
@@abirnigam8816 Not really. They will replace Shatabdi with a different variant of Vande Bharat one by one depending on the route. If the track is upgraded then Vande Bharat can easily beat Shatabdi anyday.
@@surajnag3650
Yours is opinion.
Mine is fact.
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0) One of the biggest benefits will also be in tourism where tourists will be more comfortable and economy will benefit from their spending here.
1) We're too much used to using outdated stuff at home and admiring great infra when doing tourism outside. Time we came out of colonised mindset and started expecting better infra at home.
2) As tracks get upgraded over the years we'll see the benefits in speed dept also. Let us enjoy the comforts and smaller benefits in speed right now. Let's not get into parties like, "which came first chicken or egg". We have to start somewhere in upgrading, so let's start with trains.
3) Since it's Made in India we'll also see upgrades in quality to world standards as we can always improve the technology that we created without paying through the nose for every upgrade.
I think making large of train will give enough expertise... What we can do later, when new technology arrives, is pass these vande bharat to t3 cities or replace them with local trains(which are in very bad situation in Kolkata and Mumbai) and replace these vande bharat trains with some recent technology
Mumbai local is way better than Kolkata Local infact Mumbai local is Suburban train system in World
Bhai mai Finland mai rehta hu aur yaha max speed 200kmph hai par majority trains 160kmph se zyada nai jaati. Par yaha local train bhi 120kmph jaati hai kyu ki stations dur dur hai aur frequency kam hai (every 5-10 mins). Mumbai jaise sheharon mai nai kar sakte ye. Europe mai har train 300kmph nai chalti. There is still room to grow for 160kmph trains. Better tracks so that trains can achieve their top speed more often will improve the average speed overall. One thing which we badly need is tilted boogies so that turns can be done at higher speeds. Average speeds are much more important than top speed. Even if the train only runs at 120kmph, if it can maintain this speed for longer time, it will significantly reduce the duration. For now, Indian trains run on average below 70-80 kmph. There is not much difference in journey duration compared to a bus. Abhi ke liye Vande Bharat acha hai. Tracks improve karna zyada zaroori hai. In theory Vande Bharat can run at 180kmph but the tracks are really bad and old on most routes.
Metros have to run between all cities in a state, particularly number to increase within a state, where commercial (merchants & Kissans) & educational (students of graduate & above, jobs oriented) activities. Each state's have to connected to Delhi, with minimum stops, high speed Vande Bharat trains. " TIME & ENERGY IS MONEY & VICE VERSA." While travelling, people must have multiple facilities for carrying out multi tasks to earn or knowledge or information.
Sabse pehle 250 km handle karne wale track ko mission mode mai construction karna hoga train to aati rahegi ab vande 2.0 3.0 etc etc but
Sabse important railway tracks hai jo update karne ki jarurat china walo ki speed jese
Ekdum correct
Perfectly said. Making 180-200 kmph trains is waste of money when your track itself runs at 100-130 kmph max speed. 😅
I travelled recently. The inside work of the train is patchy and the floor was dirty. A lot of work needs to be done. There's a lot of hype around this train but honestly it is average.
Even the poorest asian countries like Laos and Thailand have bullet trains. Why is such a big deal about this train? It's not even considered high speed...
Sir i have one question. Can't we built high speed railway line by replacing conventional tracks ?
arey yaar we don't need to match global standards everywhere. Vande bharat all around till 2030 would still be amazing.
We have 1.4 billion people, even having just 15k dollar per capita would make us top economy in world, while 15k per capita isn't that impressive by GLOBAL Standards.
Services should be decent, and mass distributable. Not best.
Some places should have world standard stuff, but not in a lot of places in india, at the expense of something cheaper, which masses can enjoy.
We need more small distance trains up to 750-1000 km if we achieve this distance in 6-7 hrs it will be game-changing.
I should also consider that semi-high-speed trains in Japan and China have a lower ground clearance to lower the center of mass of the train. However, due to the Indian standard of platform height, Vande Bharat Express trains are more upright compared to international standards. If in the future all Indian railway stations update their platforms according to future trains, claiming on the current Vande Bharat Express could become difficult.
Isn't railways developing vande 3 and vande 4 with top speeds of 220km/h and 260km/h respectively?
260 to nahi but next generation will have 220km/h speed which is more than enough for a convental train with tilting technology newer design with more aerodynamics & aluminum body. Pata nahi ye kyun nahi bola video me
Yeah and there are multiple iterations of Vande Bharat. The 3rd iteration of Vande Bharat will have most of the things mentioned in this video like Wifi, sleeper coaches, etc. We don't know whether by the time these trains come it will be world class or not but certainly those will be better than the current trains like Rajdhani & Satabdi.
Sir, its not possible mostly. There are no trains across the world which can run above 220 kmph in conventional tracks. In reality crossing 200 kmph is very difficult. Its easier and simpler to simply have bullet train tracks across india than upgrade the whole train network for 260 kmph.
Not possible because tracks are not capable
@@tukaidas1272 did u even watch the video?
I travelled inNjp to hwh in VB express..very bad experience..no reclining chairs ..giving pain to back...food quality worst
Arey bhai 1-2 sal mai Europe bn jyega kya?
1) Vande Bharat ka main maqsad hai Comfort dena with reasonable speed.
phle k gande coaches se chutkara dena hai iska main maqsad.
- STATIONS KO AIRPORT JAISA BNA RHE WO B COMFORT KE LIYE..
2) Vande Metro chote distance yani 250 km tak wale logo ko seperate kregi jisse coach mai bheed kam hogi..
3) RRTS - Metro se jyada distance ki cities ko jodegi..
Ab bhai sal do sal mai Modi Ji India ko Europe bna denge kya?
Comfort k sath 300km/hr ki sped ki expectation tb krte jb last ke 10-20 sal Congress ne kuch kiya hota.
Bullet Train aa rhi hai..............6 Routes pr wo b chalegi............10-20 sal to lgega transform hone mai..
Are all the new orders given to private companies are Vande bharat 2 or some of the are vande bharat 3 ? coz VB3 and VB4 will have some new technologies....
vande bharat trains are constantly evolving and the latest versions of the trains have better speeds and aminities than that older one's. it is also notable that the future versions of these trains will keep on evolving both in terms of comfort and speed.
Non AC coaches band kar do. Yeh waise bi faida nahi deti.
Locomotive based train abhi bi chalti hai. Railjet iska best example hai. Services aachi ho, train aachi ho, toh bhaut kuch badal sakte hai. Baat yeh hai ki janta yeh sab nahi janti. First, non AC coaches ko ban karo and deko improvement. Yeh baat mai iss bhaut baar khe chuka hoon
The Indian government is doing well, and it would be beneficial to increase the number of Vande Bharat trains. This would enhance the passenger experience and contribute to progress. If we don't introduce Vande Bharat trains, it may delay modernization efforts. Adding Vande Bharat trains is within our budget and it is a feasible option. By 2028, with an estimated Indian economy of 6-7 trillion USD, we can invest in more advanced trains, replacing the current express trains with Vande Bharat trains.
I think they are building for replacing today's trains and govt is also working for high speed train as Bullet trains.😊
Dont worry, considering the number of travelers, all that money will be recovered with 15-20 years.
ट्रैक्स और सिग्नलिंग सिस्टम पर सबसे ज्यादा और प्रायोरिटी से काम होना चाहिए, आलरेडी बहुत ट्रेंस हैं और हमारी नार्मल एलएचबी ट्रेन भी 150km की स्पीड पर चल सकती है अगर ट्रैक और सिग्नलिंग को मॉडर्न स्टैंडर्ड पर बना दिया जाए और उस ट्रैक पर वंदे भारत आसानी से 220 की रफ्तार छू सकती है। रेलवे को वंदे भारत प्रोडक्शन रोक के सबसे पहले अपने इंफ्रास्ट्रक्चर को ठीक करना चाहिए।
Honestly Vande Bharat trains are pretty decent trains. VB are not high speed they are what regional trains are here in Germany. With average speeds of 90-100 kmph. We have chosen to build a dedicated High-Speed train network like Japan and unlike European Countries. For trains running under 160 kmph conventional signaling is used.
India ek aisi country hai jha long distance train me more than 40% log non ac coaches me travel krte hai. Hum non ac coaches bnana bnd nhi kr skte nhi to ticket price bd jaegi aur common people pr bhoj bn jaega.. Railway ko apni data shi se analyze krke aise routes nikalna hai jha non ac coaches ki demand zyada hai to Antodaya jaisi trains chlae aur jha AC coaches ki demand zyada hai wha VB jaise trains chlae... Aur modern infra ke liye NHSRCL aur NCRTC kaam kr rhi hai jo IR se boht alg hai
#AskPT Can you please give us an update regarding India's new parliament building? Can you give us a rough timeline for the entire Central Vista project and when we can expect it to be concluded?
yup, that will be great.
गहन शोध , स्पष्ट अवलोकन , प्रज्ञावान विश्लेषण , सुंदर चित्रांकन और छायांकन कुलमिलाकर बहुत सुन्दर विषय की समीक्षा और प्रस्तुति।
Fun fact. All trains in Japan are not Bullet trains. Vande Bharat is part of larger solution. It is not comparable to TGV, ICE etc. We will need both. I think Railways is doing the right thing. I hope they execute it swiftly.
I see your point. You want the railways to leapfrog and skip the Semi-HSR to HSR just to be future proof.
But the govt wants to build a strong domestic industrial base along with encouraging domestic Design IP. This can only be made viable by making big orders.
Making AC trains w/ wifi standard should be the goal of next 15 years in my opinion.
Actually this is the agile way of development.
If you spend too much time and resources in developing the world class technology you'd most likely not meet the budget and time requirements and by that time the latest technology would be far ahead.
Instead they are developing what can be fast adopted by our existing track framework.
Once it sets the pace of Indian trains they should upgrade tracks which can handle 300km/hr. Then release newer and better VB trains that can touch 250-300.
Something similar happens in Germany, they have ice 1,2,3,4 and ice 3 neo and slow trains still exist on lower priority routes. India can also move VB trains to regional trains and release faster trains on long routes. Like imagine Delhi to Bhopal train running every 2 hours.
Small trains at high frequency help a lot since the bridges and infrastructure required can also be built of lesser capacity and faster and cheaper.
Combine all these facts the vision of VB trains is amazing and if everything goes well we'll be at a much better place in next 10 years. It's very important to grow at the pace which nation can sustain. Ticket price can be another such factor. Why roll out a technology which can't be afforded. It'll remain unused.
See the bullet train already coming as a pilot program. Cities of high economic growth will be connected via those on a completely different track so that this old existing track won't need much upgrade. I feel the vision and execution is really amazing.
The word here is agile development and pragmatic thinking.
1:45 ye point mujhe samajh nahi aaya. Jab Vande Bharat officially Semi-High Speed train hai, then why are we comparing it with the "lowest standards of actual high speed trains"? and not with other semi high speed trains?
those who have been to European countries and asian countries like china , Japan can relate how backward Vande Bharat trains are...china is making 1000km/hr train . 450 km/hr plus trains are operating in china named maglev
I disagree with you... Government is doing the right thing.
Let me explain
India has 64,000 km of rail network. We cannot have complete network of high speed rails.its not economically feasible, what we need is bullet trains on main city routes and remaining network with well maintained trains and decent average speeds. Even european and american countries also use 160 kmph trains, they will be the major trains for common people.
Consider the time frame of 10-15 Years ahead
-Railways started replacing old icf with lhb coaches phase wise. by 2030 LHB trains will be major fleet in IR, they are the back bone and will be used as normal daily trains which will be affordable for major people.
- by that time we will have our DFC's fully operational, so traffic of goods trains will be shifted on to DFC which reduces load and traffic on the network and allows daily passenger trains to travel at high average speed hopefully at 160 top speed.
- Now coming back to Vande Bharat, these trains will replace services like Rajadhani and Shatabdhi by 2030/2035. and these will in general be premium trains.railways also working on upgrading tracks in major routes, allowing LHB and VB run at more speeds. Vande bharat may run at its max speed at 180 kmph.
- We will have indegenous high speed trains of 3rd or 4th gen vande bharat with 230 kmph max speed on elevated corridors on some important routes.
- We cannot build high speed bullet trains on every route and it will not be economically feasible. Only important golden quadrilateral routes like Delhi - Mumbai - banglore- Chennai - Kolkata - Delhi and North South(delhi- Nagpur - Hyderabad- Chennai) and East-West corridor ( Kolkata -Nagpur-Pune-Mumbai) should be sufficient for High speed rail corridors and covers all major cities.
This way we will have High speed rail network of bullet train along with semi high speed VB and regular LHB trains with decent average speeds.
Your point is very valid.
Building world class railway from scratch is very expensive and can be done only by compromising whatever existing facility railway is now providing.
Vande Bharat is targeted at the luxury bus passengers. And only a miniscule percentage of railway passengers are using it. The speed provided by it is comparable to the regular Volvo services, using the existing infrastructure In a 700 km radius at the most.
The new sleeper Vande Bharat can extend this to 1200 kms
Upgradation of track is expensive and can be done only in the routes which are economically viable in a step by step manner.
Available bullet train technology uses standard gauge which require replacement of all rail lines existing in India or build new lines like Ahmedabad Bombay bullet train.
The alternative is to develop a bullet train technology that is viable on broad gauge in a step by step manner. Even countries like Japan took decades to jump from 80 km trains to the present generation bullet trains.
China which already had standard gauge lines is the only exception, where they borrowed heavily to build extensive bullet lines which are highly subsidized and underutilized. Creating massive losses for the Chinese economy.
Regarding tilting Talgo trains existing platforms cannot accommodate them and will require a separate platform specially made for its specifications.
The only viable solution in India is to progress from 80 to 130 to 180 km then to 260 km and later on to bullet trains on the existing broad gauge lines which can be upgraded progressively looking at the economic viability and requirements of such projects on a case to case basis.
One positive aspect of the Vande Bharat project is that it is handled by private sector and we can expect better and faster technology adoption than the bureaucratic Indian railways where nobody is willing to take any risk adopting new technologies
This is one of the most well-researched opnionated video I've seen on Indian infrastructure, Kudos.
Vande bharat is successful and will be successful due to its cheaper rates compared to bullet train. I highly doubt that people will be willing to pay 3000+ Rs for a 400km journey. For longer journeys bullet will be very less favourable as journey time will also increase compared to airplanes. So VB will be cheaper option for middle and lower middle class people.
Well in my opinion Indian railways should also focus on strengthening the tracks to 220 and should also produce vande Bharat simultaneously.
It feels so good to hear someone who publicly agrees with me.
Most Indians need to learn how to identify and criticize flawed decisions.
I don't know why Indian railways is ordering garbagey 70 year old tech rail cars, that not only make India look backwards and unmodern (give India a bad image globally) are extremely uncomfortable and unsafe as well.
The rail cars that Canada had to 70 and 80 years ago are much better than many of the real cars that India is ordering today🙁
Canada🇨🇦 was running 220 kph train sets more than 50 years ago....
Aap ne jo ek ek baat ki hai wo kasam mai yahi socha karta tha mujhe laga mai akela hu
Aur ye baat kahunga to log fir desh gaddar bolenge 😢 thank you power train ❤
Vande Bharat can be upgradable for speed..
Share more & let's make this video more popular, till major railway officials gets to know about this issue
In the developed nations have had 200km plus trains for over four decades. Therefore you are right about Vance Bharat not being even average in terms of its speed when compared with the global peers. However, the reason for slow speed in India is out dated tracks rather the design limitation of Vande Bharat. There is need to invest in the rolling stock.
Yah i totally agree with you. What is lower average for developed countries its ultra modern for india. It's reality 😢
Also vb should not run on political demand such as ajmer delhi vb. The train was extended to ajmer for political reasons but is not able to completely fill its quota from ajmer further having delhi cantt as o/t station and having time clashing with janshatabdi and double decker is also not able to fill the pax. Though the train is fairly successful from jaipur it should have run on a longer rouge.
India me hamesha garib logo ke baare me hi soch ke infrastructure bana rahe the, ab aage badhne ki jaroorat. Jitna contribute Middle class and upper class kr rahi and jo main driving force hai unke baare me sochna chaiye. from 70 years we kept supporting poors but still not getting results that means something is wrong.
Bullet trains are for the people like you bro who can afford that I know it feels wrong that you have to pay so much money in tax but get nothing in return but the sad reality is that most people can't afford high prices as our per capita income is very low
@@IgneousAsh Bro thats the missing part, why compare just GDP per capita, why not based on purchase parity. See petrol prices gone significantly up in last few years had its consumption reduced?, do income increased yes. Income have increased but many prices kept unchanged like of railways, buses etc. middle class share is increasing so does infra for them.
#AskPT is the railway in profit?🤔
Which type of train makes profit or loss
Make a video : there was a time where China and India are in the same stage in the term of train technology. But in recent years so how we are gonna catch up them and how they've become technological advance
India's GDP per capita was more than China's till the mid 90s.
@@noideasforanyhandlesorry990 our politician ka contribution to our economy
@@noideasforanyhandlesorry990 We became idealistic socialists and remained like that till the early 2000s. While Chinese politicians played smart & ditched economic communism. We were forced by the IMF to liberalise our market while China did that on its own by strategically opening its market to America. I really hate China for many things but man our politicians did a big blunder following socialism too seriously. But then again America itself was quite hostile towards us at that time & our relationship with Europe wasn't so good (because of colonial exploitation which was kinda capitalistic as well). So I guess the reluctance of people & politicians towards free-market capitalism or any kind of capitalism was expected. Welfare Capitalism is the only way India can progress today while slowly & steadily removing the socialist hangover that our population possesses. The socialist hangover of our people is the reason they protest against factories, infrastructure projects & progressive policies like farm bills, labour reforms, land reforms, etc. Like in my state people protested against a factory which would have provided thousands of jobs influenced by some politicians for 10 years. And then that factory went away to another state. Now the same people are protesting against the government to provide them jobs. Isn't it dumb? They themselves wanted to do "Pan leaves farming" and now they demand the government to provide them a job? Our people need to understand it's not the job of the government to provide jobs but to provide infrastructure & policies for people to make jobs for themselves. It is the people's duty to provide jobs to others.
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You are right about many things- especially the part of us taking socialism seriously (that hangover is still there) however, I would like to correct some things. Colonialist economy comes under the categories of mercantilism and extraction, not free market capitalism. Mercantilism acted as a transition into free market capitalism for some countries. Plus, its dishonest to say that only European countries engaged in colonialism when many empires before them (and some, after them) have engaged in it. The European powers were more successful at it because of better technology and strategy.
रेलवे पैसा खर्च कर रहा है लेकिन मालगाड़ी दौड़ाने पर। वर्तमान में 60% यात्री ट्रेन 04 से 05 घंटे लेट चल रही हैं । और ये हाल पिछले दो साल से लगातार बना हुआ है।
Akhir govt bina matlab ka logo ko khana jabardasti kyu deti hai.
Usse acha ticket ka price kam kar dena chahiye. Ya fir option dena chahiye ki train me khana chahiye ya nahi
Yes well said bro Japan and Germany maintained their quality from the day one, even after 100 years we will be in the same condition because of our Indian mindset I don't understand why we are not quality conscious, 75 years down since independence we don't have a single global product from India
Tickets price 📈📈😢
Koi itna ticket price bada nahi h, people ask for all amenities but dont wish to pay anything
Free me khane ke adat jate he nahi😂😂😂
The most important factor that should be kept in mind which you have missed(you might be coming from a privileged family, take this positively), is the global warming. All AC coaches will lead to a very bad future for our generations to come. I personally agree to most of things you said.
And one factor which is a bit of lesser importance that previous one is the pocket of consumer. Today 80% of train coaches are sleeper or sitting. And they provide a lot of revenue to the railways. Railway will lose a huge percentage of people in India, if all coaches and trains are made high speed as US or European standards.
Model of the story eagle kavi rat pe focus nahi karta uske age focus karta hai
Yeah you are right bro but problem is people do not want to hear this they think if someone point out these things they are either anti government or do not know about these things at all.
Like every time I see military equipment i am happy but at the same it looks lame, vintage and when I say about it people’s often reply is anti india, Pakistani, western mindset etc etc because to most of us Indians every equipment is like if it works that is ok.
Modern looking or if it will work in the future are not problems.
Like our soldiers gear often look loose size little big for them be it helmet or jacket, and how they wear now this is not criticizing our army this is a point how our soldiers should look so they look intimidating and cool. How can we say what we want so I give examples, like now US company working on Abraham X new tank for American military see how futuristic it looks and powerful, west combine looks and power. We only focus on power how it looks our design teams do not work on that and people also say “ahh it doesn’t matter”
But it does matter. If your weapons or equipment is effective, powerful, cool, pleasing to the eyes why not make that, after all whole world do that. focus on how their products look
We need vande Bharat version 2.O👍
Just get out brainless stupid
what's need to be realised is-
--slow train network with ballast and rock formed tracks are economical for big countries.
--high speed train network with ballastless tracks are economical for small countries.
because trains chillar chutta hay; tracks loot mar ta hay. look how much money china is loosing on high speed trains.
Not agree with you this time: in tecnology we take one or two step ahead...we cant jump to 7 8 steps. We cant compare ourself with US ans EUROPE. we just started modernization it will take time. For now vande bharat is good can be better would be the best.
Sir, its not possible to make much faster train than vande bharats current top speed. Maximum it can reach 210 to 220 kmph.There are no trains across the world which can run above 220 kmph in conventional tracks. In reality crossing 200 kmph is very difficult. Its easier and simpler to simply have bullet train tracks across india than upgrade the whole train network for 260 kmph.
well maybe by vande bharat they mean vande bharat class which with time will include upgraded models like vande bharat mark 3 or vande bharat mark 5 which will be much modern and faster
Anyways having all very high speed train may sound good but we also have to keep income of general people in mind, those trains will be too expensive for majority of people to ride.
Just run Vande Bharat at its maximum speed which is around 180KM. A distance of 500KM can be covered in 3-4 hours which is really good. Such as Delhi to Lucknow.
Keep doing reseach and do trails on Bullet train in big economic hubs.
#Askpt why the local streets of our cities doesn't have proper lining from white markings of lane to yellow markings for footpath. Why road marking is limited to national highways and main roads.
only in India 30, 50 years old technology can be sold as some sort of revolutionary technology. Even china hasn't advertised their maglev as much as we do on Vande Bharat train. It's nothing compared trains running in Europe, china, east Asia. But there is no denying that we have come long way in railways post 2014 . Still miles to Go In terms of railways technology.
How can they advertise maglev when it's just a prototype of whole different & unrelated technology with no guarantee of being feasible while vb is just a modernized version of convention train which is operational not prototype. Trains running in Europe are not convental trains they are hsr With very low passenger ridership indian railway gets billions of ridership evry year can't compare aren't we also building shinkansen?.
They should do the advertisement as they have the right to do so as our previous leaders were sleeping when these types of trains were being built why didn't they focus on trains at that time it's not like they didn't have data on what should be developed or not railways lost most of their cargo shipment share to roadways we could have developed this type of tech in 90s or 2000s but there has to be a will to changing and developing something
It was a good presentation. However, the title music in the initial part of the video is too loud and irritating. Please reduce the volume to a comfortable level. People are interested in the content rather than the title music.
Vande Bharat serves many issues for bharat.
1. It's a initiative for make in India, on technology trials and self reliance.
2. A step towards further advancement.
3. A experiment to test real running and how different divisions maintain the systems. In future, we may design maintenance proof systems, or simplify systems.
4. Whatever, it's our experience and not something thrown at us as inferiors by outsiders.
Your presentation represents a anti Modi stance, but he is doing his best for us.
The comment section proves the fact that people with surface level knowledge will not be able to comprehend what you talked about.
You are absolutely correct powertrain bhai
This video doesn't make sense, India has diversity in income level lot more than European or North American countries. We have people who travel in private planes to people who cannot even afford bullock carts now.
So, Indian Railways takes care of lot of people in lower economic base but it will go to loss even more the passenger section if it doesn't cater to people who can afford to go through their car but travel in train for comfort by paying for reserved seats.
India is now trying to get more of the people who travel through car and may not ride Indian railways to get on the train by showing vande-bharat and also asking for higher price for the ticket.
India shouldn't change all trains to vande-bharat or better even if we can afford to do so. The price of ticket in vande bharat is unaffordable to lot of Indians, in future their income level will increase definitely but so will the ticket price with better speed and amenities in the train.
India will have use the strategy of maybe 30-50 years time depending on Indian growth to actually pull people above poverty lines. India maybe will subsidize the ticket price for poor once it reaches this time but won't happen in 10 year horizon that is considered in this video. Not possible at all with India bureaucracy, we are not china. We have to ask everyone and make most of the people agree with us before moving forward in Indian government.
That is one point but another point is there are many people booking it and there are no seats available.
I have faced this too. And that bad finishing is also a problem. Hope they do something. I like everything perfect and these things bugs my brain.
What if railway’s start an vandebharat from chuchgate-Dadar-andheri-virar with just 4 stops and i think journey time will be 20 to 25 minutes some mumbaikars would love it and even this train will be fully crowded in rush hours
please dont forget central and harbour lines..
Vande bharat toh naam ko indian railway ka plan bullet train par zyada focus karta. I am jot much concerned about vande bharat hut about bullet train project. Because that is future not vande bharat.
How could you expect global standard trains( More speed, high fare, passengers with high std. Of living, and much more ) from India who has lots of poor people, need lots of connectivity compared to other nations, poor standard of living, and huge population for current GDP.
Bhai bullet train to India bhi bana sakta hai pr passengers to aane chahiye utne.
2-3 route pe bullet train operate karne ka kya fayda.
I traveled in Vonda bharat express is speed govt telling fake speed
Vande bharat ke chakkar me Bullet train kabhi nahi banayegi Government bahut tej hai government
I politely disagree with your point. Even if current VB trains are outdated after a decade (provided we upgrade certain sections of tracks to 200kmph) they can still be used in other parts of the country. Do not forget that Bharat has a huge landmass unlike small European nations.
May be we would induct a new, upgraded high speed (200+ kmph) VB version for our major cities, it still gives us room to run current VB train for tier 2 & 3 cities with cheaper fares.
I do agree that we should stop the production of all non AC coaches, and rather upgrade the existing non-AC trains simultaneously with VB development.
biggest problem is no one want to use such expensive train,goverment is forcing the public to use it as they are very less tickets(most of them get booked 1 month before the journey ) available for other trains and in order to get confirm ticket public is opting for vande bharat and not for comfort or need
well
as we know first vande bharat are only capable of 160 KMPH but new one are capable of over 180 KMPH i think slowly slowly in newer version Govt will also Upgrade Speed and Designs of Vande bharat
we are also building HSR on a completely different track system. So they can be the premium trains and vande bharat can be the basic low cost trains
The current Vande Bharat trainsets that are running are just version 1 and 2. And obviously not all of the upcoming 400+ trainsets are going to be of the same version. As per reports, the 475 trains that the govt has promised include Aluminum body trainsets, sleeper trainsets, tilting enabled bogies, higher top speed,etc. So definitely, future trains me technology to upgrade hone hi waali hai.
I think even the Indian govt. considering upgrading rail tracks is a win-win situation for me. Let's suppose we manufactured 500 Vande express for the upcoming 7 years there is still plenty of room exist to export semi-high-speed trains from abroad with better design. Observe their technology and efficiency, then finally start manufacturing that design.
Vande Bharat will generate more income and while talking about Bullet trains, we are not only getting bullet trains but we are getting technology to use for further expansion.
Until now, we have had the worst trains in the world... When something good is happening towards transformation, then it should be welcomed. Yes, we are growing and will be the best that, too, Made in India... This is just a beginning !
India is developing according to the average mass of people. Many things to be managed before Bullet train.... Like tracks and people who through stones on trains.
How are the other bullet train projects (beaides Mumbai-Ahmedabad) coming along when it comes to environmental approvals and property acquisitions?
Why do we hear nothing about those? Have they been cancelled or put on hold?
The thing we lack is long term planning and standardization, we should learn from China not some european country. Again i am not saying government ain't doing anything, if we compare current condition to 2014 i think we are in a much better condition (still remember those shitty blue coloured icf coaches).
We must learn from China they have streamlined manufacturing high speed rail and its infrastructure like some another assembly line, we have similar population,country size and we also are going through same transformation which China did 15 years ago, i am not saying we should give all the contracts to chinese companies, No hell no, what we should copy is their plan, how they actually achieved it.
Very bad opinion tbh, train tracks getting modernized and trains actually reaching 200kmph should be the current goal of indian railways, we should start with basics like improving delay average from 40 minutes to a few atmost, increasing our average speed from 56 kmph to atleast 100 kmph. Such improvements will be revolutionary from Indian railways standards which runs trains at the same technical base of countries in Africa.
Your analysis is sub-par as the services of Indian railways although I love trains and IR but my love is tough love.