Please stop posting comments regarding my comments on obesity in the section on episode 8. I have responded several times to several comments about the subject and I'm tired of repeating myself. Unless you have a new point to share, I don't want to see any more comments about it. Just talk about the rest of my video, please. Additional edit: I feel obligated to apologize for my anger in the video. I'm poorly tempered and unfortunately this show gets under my skin easily. If you don't want anger, probably watch someone else.
I know we’re ignoring season 2 material for now, but a glaring issue I have with Truth Seekers is the vital stuff that Moxxie and Blitzo don’t see in their hallucinations that should’ve been there. These two were being faced with their biggest traumas and insecurities. So why doesn’t Blitzo see his mom or sister. Moxxie sees nothing about his mom or dad, which makes me think that his backstory was just made up for season 2 episode 3.
@@thesmallscout9810 they could’ve had them as small silhouettes cameos in the background. At the very least, so it probably foreshadows them. In universe it makes no sense.
@@cordyceps7531 They probably could’ve done that. But I still think the scene works regardless. With Moxxie, it was just him, Blitz, and their relationship. So it makes some amount of sense that didn’t hallucinate anyone else. Although that could’ve been an interesting idea, for Moxxie in his hallucination to use Crimson as a note of comparison. For Blitz, he’s mainly displaying the recent characters he’s run in. As those would be on his mind the most.
@@thesmallscout9810 I thought that whole haluzination think was to show what they currently have to deal with (blitz with stolas and moxxie with blitz) and not past trauma?
They were having hallucinations not facing their biggest trauma. Blitz saw his romantic failings and moxie hashed it out with his boss in song. Moxxies's biggest trauma is musicals? Moxie, had a good trip, blitzo had a bad one. Probably because moxie is in a better place mentally. (Auto correct hates moxxie on my phone)
That wiki part at the beginning is so true. Like shows shouldn't hand-feed the viewer information but information shouldn't be so obscure that you have to go digging for it on the internet when it should be told in the story
Kinda like what happened with RWBY, helluva boss has an issue with lacking information about the world they live in and RWBY is the opposite, they give a lot of information but so much that it gets all tangle up and lacking some in many parts RWBY had to create a separate segment dedicated to giving information that's too late to introduce now on the show Is lacking but at least I hope helluva boss introduces more information before being too deep to back up as RWBY has suffered
@@Haphu15 RWBY and HB have a lot of overlap (I'll throw in HH too since that has pratically the same writing style) it's all about spectacle over substance. Maybe it would be fine if it was all just flashy stuff, but the shows go out of their way to do some deep emotional dramatic scenes (ala HB) or world-building that just comes out of nowhere (ala RWBY). With like zero build up, no lead in, no foreshadowing, just dumped on you for no reason then barely elaborated on. It's almost like a jump-scare in a sense, except instead of startling you it's trying to explain something or give some unearned character moment. I think the shows have far too much fanfare and hype, given what you get when you watch it. It really feels like "Ohh flashy colors or designs" and people are too distracted by the jingling keys. I don't expect Helluva Boss to be perfect, but it really feels like it's being written on the fly and like they're not even trying. As if story and character come last and all that's important is the jokes, action and showing off concepts. I think that's why so many folks see it as fanfic-y, it's indulgent only to it's creator. Those episodes come off amazing to her because she already knows everything about the characters and story. Like we're not privvy to the show's plot and we are only getting breadcrumbs from her about the inner workings. But also it's just written badly. Which is sad that all the animators had to work so hard for such a lackluster piece of media.
Yeah, you probably don't care, but the person playing Beezlebub is Kesha, who you might know for songs such as Tik Tok, Love is my Drug, and Timber. She's pretty much the reason (nothing has been confirmed, but it's pretty obvious) the episode has been delayed for nearly two years, because she was embroiled in a lawsuit with Dr. Luke that got finished the month the episode finally released (June 2023). What irks me the most about her is after all that effort, they do not have her sing the song. Let me repeat that: they had the episode in limbo for nearly two years for this person well known for her singing, only to not have her sing the song (although she did write it). The only reason Viv wanted Kesha for this I reckon was fanservice for one of her old videos, an animation featuring Kesha's song 'Die Young' and a blue dog named Jayjay (which btw you can no longer find on Viv's channel because of this, which kinda renders the whole fanservice point moot as no new fan is going to get this). Seriously, all this trouble could had been avoided if they had just went with Rochelle Diamante (the actual singer of the song) for both VA and singing and we would had the episode release on time and not leave people waiting 3/4 of a year for a episode that would go on to be very bad for the series.
When you get to Season 2, talk about how Blitz and his IMP business are barely the focus anymore. The two latest episodes have the main characters being Fizz and Ozzie.
honestly true, ngl the plot of them and their business is what made me wanna watch it cause i thought it was interesting, but now i just completely lost interest because theyre not sticking with the plot anymore, so now i just don’t care for the show lol
@@thesmallscout9810 agreed, i have Mixed Feelings with Shows Like Jujutsu Kaisen, Helluva Boss, Hazbin Hotel, Demon Slayer and my Hero Academia, Not because they're "Bad", but because they Had so much Potential when it came to certain Storylines or Characters that could've Been written so much better which Makes me angry at Times. Good Point👍
I actually agree with you on Beelzebub, she should be a little overweight in my opinion. As someone who's a bit chubby myself, I don't think you were being fat phobic or anything by stating that, in fact, I think it's great that you pointed this out as I feel there should be more representation for overweight characters in media. Great video by the way! Love the editing.
As someone who struggled with weight in the past, I agree with this take. It’s not fatphobic at all, and I agree there should be more unique body types, but then again Twitter would probably be alllllllll over Viv if she was chubby. Also the video was really good at establishing writing flaws
Also I think Beelzebub also represent other things in Gluttony beside food, it could be for emotions since the princess can sense other emotion. So she could also be affect by others feelings, if she want to feel or feed on that good feeling she have to make sure everyone around her is happy. But that what I got from the episode
Gluttony is overindulgence to me that was shown without her being bigger that’s such a cop out and kinda makes me sad how many people think just because she isn’t heavy set , that she isn’t still gluttonous she was making food and drinks bigger then they needed , she had everyone overindulged on her music and cotton candy
I know this is old, but I just wanted to add something. Her torso looks to be made of a fire-like substance, causing anything she eats or drinks to just be... burned completely. Personally, I think this is actually a good choice, since it shows that she has no consequences for her overindulgence and gluttony. Imo, it makes here feel more like a sin, having nothing that stops her from acting out the bad behavior. And then that idea was completely thrown out the window when Beelzebub was CONCERNED for Blitz at the party. Way to ruin the concept of a sin as a character, Viv. This is actually a problem that I have with Asmodeus, too. Why the hell should the Sin of Lust be in a relationship and care about consent? That's ridiculous! It makes him seem more like a morally good character than... the SIN OF LUST. Honestly, Valentino is a better sin of lust than Asmodeus, and that's kinda sad. This also makes Mammon my favorite out of all of them. He's actually sinful, and has no repercussions for his actions. He actually feels like the sin of greed, which is what we need more of. Anyway, I'm not trying to say that you're wrong, I just personally think that Beelzebub having nothing happen to her body a good design choice, showing that she can just eat and indulge in whatever he wants. Idk, just a thought, you don't have to agree if you don't want to.
I personally haven’t watched Helluva boss 1 bit. My friends keep talking about it to me and spoiling the episodes! One friend in particular shared this video with me and I think it’s severely underrated! I have a big presentation tomorrow and I had a lot of stress but watching this made me feel oddly less stressed and more comforted.
I think the critique of the writing comedy-wise can be pinpointed back to the other writer on HB, Brandon Rogers. A lot of his skits are overtly meant for curse words and gross topics placed in slapstick and watching some of his skits or series can really show that, although a lot of his actual writing that doesn't base it on swears is actually pretty unique and sort of mellows out the need for profanities in each scene. I think its this point on why helluva boss is so odd with its writing, the comedy and serious storytelling are on two levels and it mixes and mashes in a weird way whenever you see the show on screen. at one point you have to laugh at a demon shouting the buck with an f word but then you need to clear cut shift to a serious moment about love and the scary villains and how they nearly killed the protagonists etc.
This is such a good analysis. I enjoyed your discussion of all the writing flaws. This show isn’t what I hoped it would be. Though I plan to keep watching, you’ve put all of my disappointments with the series into words.
The pilot isn't canon, which Vivzie should have made clear way before 2 years into the show's run. The fact that the imps showed on live TV (and later in a church) in the pilot while they were a secret to humans in the show was confusing. I liked the pilot alot even though it has sloppy pacing (a flashback within a flashback?) but i'm the kind who enjoys vulgar humor
Everything has its flaws but the one thing I start to see from everything I like is if the flaws keep showing up. You know the person that's making does not changing if the flaws are changing. They're starting to be aware what they're doing
42:00 Gluttony isnt about food or "overweight people" as you stated It's about overindulgence, and you can overindulge in absolutely anything The food part was when food was sparse and not plentiful, like in the west. It's about cultural contexts, and the show is based in a really modern westernized context, so indulgence can be literally anything. Yes, I agree there should be more body rep, and the show backhanded itself when they said "but it would be fatphobic to rep gluttony as fat" but then made greed fat, when both sins are heavily intertwined. (also note: you said bee didnt do drugs, but in the show she did say that she did.(also drug consumers can look any type of way, stereotyping those who are drug dependent can lead to many not seeking help)
I believe you're thinking more of the sin of Greed the sin of Gluttony (not the dictionary definition) is defined as overindulging in food please understand most of my Christianity knowledge comes from research, not personal experience, but I would somewhat hope the show explains it for people like me and if you're right about Bee mentioning doing drugs, that's my bad, but my point about her pristine appearance still stands if she "overindulges"
@@maniCARNY Greed and Gluttony have always been intertwined its greedy to keep food to yourself and its gluttonous to overindulge in unhealthy habits, even outside of consumption "Sins" are based off of human traits, and are far more complex then what christian research has to offer (especially since these themes and topics are seen in all cultures)
@@sweetdiscordia3404 fair enough, but Beelzebub is heavily treated like someone who overindulges in food and drugs, not necessarily "anything".. she certainly doesn't come off as greedy at all, so I simply interpreted her as being just that: a glutton my research is not very in-depth, and I somewhat regret making such a firm claim, but I honestly just thought the show presented each sin as described directly from the Bible (or some other scripts), not necessarily translated to/from other cultures, or representative of general negative human behavior
Except we see Bee getting worried about Blitzo overindulging at the party. Kind of the opposite of what she represents. Because we can't make Kesha-I mean Bee look bad.
You misunderstand she feeds off the good vibes of her party goers self destructiveness is bad vibes. She uses those vibes in making her mead Bealzebrew. Her concern is genuine though.
"I think her reaction is strange because she has been supposedly good her whole life", well over reactions like that happen all the time with people with little to no prior criminal history, and she could have been speaking with much bias
Probably should mention the pilot is 3rd level Canon, unless it takes a scene from it and adds it to the show then it's most likely not Canon. Oh and some the points you mentioned have been answered by ayylmao who's made some RUclips shorts explaining it, cartoon universe also mentioned some
You and I are pretty similar in the sense that we look for (objective) flaws in everything. I 100% agree with everything you said. I don't think the writing or the characters are done well and they should have just made a show that's not story-based because I think they'd be a lot better at it
honestly- helluva has a VERY big phasing problem, I feel like every episode would hit better if it had the "emotional character" moments in like end of a season so it would get better build up to it over the season, like if we got the classic episodes of IMP just going around killing and doing their buisness which would have hints and pit points that would then bleed into the last episode with the "emotional character" moment. Also I feel like every episode should have one villain to focus on that then gets defeated at the end of the season. I am not a writer just a suggestion.
That part was a little fatphobic despite you thinking it wasnt- you did a really bad research. "Obesity is a complex and chronic disease with many causes. It is not simply a result of overeating." "Obesity is not simply the result of excess calorie consumption. It is rather the direct consequence of a change in hormones that control body weight, energy metabolism and appetite." This is on google, you didn't bother to look that up. Plus, there are different body types and some have a slower metabolism, meaning easier to gain weight than to lose. Despite normal amount of eating and not excess. Everything else in this video? Yeah i agree. Helluva boss is mid
Okay? I know obesity isn't only caused by overeating. But there's the problem: "not simply". It can be caused by a number of issues, but it is very much in part a result of overeating, and is in fact one of THE most common causes, along with little physical activity (additionally, Beelzebub is often shown flying rather than walking). What's your source? I cited mine in the video. And yes, it's perfectly possible Beezlebub just has a very strong metabolism. But so do I, and I still gain substantial weight if I eat a lot. But she eats a LOT-- she is a glutton. The ULTIMATE glutton. She should at least have some visible fat. Also, call it ignorance, but how is my lack of research offensive? If I said "I think skinny characters suck and they should all be fat" THAT'S fatphobic. But I didn't say that. Anyway, regardless, I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
@@maniCARNY I don't think I remember her overeating? She seems to feed off energy than actual food from what I got She seems to feed off the overindulgence from people in her party. Also, for the source? I just got it from Google and from articles talking about researchers and scientists speaking about this kind of thing, don't remember the sites exactly unless I look up again, in the video yours also came from Google though so I don't think it matters if I show it or not.
@@maniCARNY also, there's a lot of fat people that aren't overeaters, they just have a hard time losing weight despite doing exercises, that's what I was talking about when mentioned low metabolism I have a relative who's plus sized and she's not an overeater, she eats normal amounts of food and often avoids sugar, but because for her body type is easier to gain weight than to lose ( pear shape/endomorph) she gains weight relatively easier despite not eating in excess. Sometimes it's neither disease or overeating, it's just the metabolism I guess.
@@maniCARNY coming back here to mention something. You said that it would have only been fatphobic if you said skinny characters suck and they should all be fat? how is that fatphobic-? Fatphobic would be saying the exact opposite of that (as in "fat characters suck, they should all be skinny"). THAT'S fatphobic. Not the other way around. Anyway, I hope some day that you will take responsibility and accountability for those words and actions, even if they are minor. It felt like a really bad generalization.
Unpopular opinion which is not specific to this video and is made with no aggression to anyone, personally I’d feel a little weird making the only fat character the sin of gluttony. Besides anything else about whatever just on a vibe basis I can see why they didn’t do it. The overall solution to that issue is definitely just to have more body types though not continue to avoid fat people. I see both sides of the argument but at of the day I see the vibe they were going for.
great video! i agree with the majority of your points and thoughts. you gave HB a solid criticism, which is, to be fair, quite rare to see unbiased reviews of it. can’t wait to hear your thoughts about season 2, because dear god is it something. stay safe from the rabid HB fans lmao
The thing you mention about people being fat as a result of overeating , as if it's a 100% fact is a bit... well... wrong. ^^; Some people are fat because of genetics or just because they gain weight faster, not because they spend a alot of time over eating. There's thin people that overeat/ eat lots of junk food (myself included!) and we aren't fat. So... idk, I think being like "it's science" is kinda messed up but otherwise your commentary is nice!
Genetics do play a part in gaining/maintaining weight, however they are not "a" cause. They are only a contributor. People can often overcome obesity despite their genetic background. You can also avoid it altogether if you maintain yourself well; exercise enough to burn off the calories you gain by eating (in other words: overeating). > www.webmd.com/obesity/features/are-you-fated-be-fat#:~:text=Family%20history%20alone,life%2C%E2%80%9D%20Li%20says. It's also been found genetics is not a primary cause because obesity is a universal condition. All groups of people can be affected by it, although genetics can make it more difficult for some. It's not a cause for obesity. > www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/why-people-become-overweight#:~:text=The%20prevalence%20of,overweight%20and%20obesity. Lastly, thin people can avoid obesity. This can be a number of factors, mainly relating to environmental factors. Personally, I have food trauma which for the longest time disallowed me to eat like a normal human. Other people may eat slower (allowing them to realize they're full before a faster eater, meaning they're less at risk for overeating), exercise more, and, back on point, have good genetics. Again, we go to the point of these being habits to avoid overeating. > www.cigna.com.hk/en/smarthealth/eat/4-reasons-why-some-people-eat-a-lot-but-never-get-fat There's a counterpoint; Beelzebub flies a lot and dances a lot. But I reiterate: she is the PRINCE OF GLUTTONY. She is also, as I eloquently put it, "skinny as a stick". Someone like her, who likely eats large amounts of food (prince of gluttony) would likely find it difficult to burn off all those calories. She also consumes drugs, according to the episode, so I'm surprised she can do so many physical stunts anyway. Basically, I can believe that Beelzebub manages to burn off all those calories, despite being THE GLUTTON of all time, without the show telling me, but I'm going to have to raise an eyebrow to it. I only gave this long-winded response because I am constantly being falsely corrected on the subject. I appreciate the added complement though. Also, if you eat a lot of junk food, you might be experiencing health problems regardless of your weight. Just a tip.
@@maniCARNY I appreciate the stuff you sent I’m just making a point that it’s not ALWAYS that fat people are fat because they eat more. To say it’s always that and not because they just are fat, the same way some people just are skinny makes it seem as if we’re all born skinny and then have to maintain that. When that isn’t the case necessarily. Some people that are fat can go to the gym and work against being fat or burn it off sure but in their “normal” state they just are fat. I’ve seen fat athletes and fat body builders. They’re healthy/don’t over eat, even eat good! But just are bigger because that’s their body type.
Also, you mention I could have health problems even if I eat junk food. I never said I was HEALTHIER! Just that I’m skinny and eat junk food! I’m not arguing skinny = healthy! I’m just arguing that being fat isn’t always about overeating. At least not always! The same way being skinny isn’t something people always work towards or “earn” in a gym. I didn’t work to be thin. I just am. 🤷🏾♀️
Also to reiterate, I’m not saying that being fat can’t be a result of overeating. It can! I’m just saying that’s not ALWAYS the case. For every fat person on earth they aren’t fat because they over ate is what I’m saying. 😅
It's a really good analysis, but sometimes you sound waaaay too harsh with parts that are obviously just meant to be jokes (the young and old part on cherubs for example)
fair, but I was genuinely getting angry while reading my script just because of how many pseudo-jokes/mistakes there were in the episode if the old/young switch was a joke it wasn't very apparent, is what I mean
@@maniCARNY im not trying to be rude, but you do sound overly bitter about everything during the review. im not judging you for not enjoying the show all that much, i don't like it either, i just think you gave too much emphasis to things that weren't meant to be serious
I didn't say Beelzebub was necessarily a hellhound, just the implication that a bunch of Hellhounds hang out around her gives me the impression she's meant to be themed around them I stated it matter of factly (that she was a "Hellhound") to keep myself brief
To be honest i thing the probleme is You not the show to me it sound like the show is just not made for you and it's fine everone has there owe opinion and taste for exemple i don't like strawberry but thera are a lot of people who like it and it's fine it's just my personal taste and What im trying to say is that i love helluva boss it's character's and art style and i thing all the songs are GRETA and i love all épisodes of season1(yes even cherub) and i well just like the show so yeah(and before you say anything no i am not a "edgy Teen" Im 20 years old adultes can like the show too you know
I am fully aware the show can be liked by adults; they're the target audience. I certainly agree, the show is not really for me. I loved the concept introduced in the pilot, but when I realized I wasn't getting that I slowly lost interest. Still, I tried to sit through the episodes and give honest objective thoughts (plus some personal opinions, so that the video is unique). It's good you enjoy the show, I have no problem with that. And I'm glad you have no problem with me. I just hope my video isn't being invalidated just because the show might not appeal to me. There are flaws that I pointed out, and if you don't care for them then more power to you. Some people, like me, do care if a show is flawed. I hope I don't come off too aggressively in my comments..
You genuinely like calarts outlined crap that's basically done for beginners animation courses in both uni and community colleges? That...kind of displays how I can see it, from your perspective liking a show that has much lack in character development, multiple resets within that area, and most of it would be called out in real life by people. I.e. they have not changed in their behaviors. Which does show in both season 1 and 2. Keep in mind I'm 21 a year older then you, and am studying into Animation. The show, really would not be taken in seriousness by some companies.
@@ownerlesscat7523 So its not a perfect show right so you should not like it... For you're age you really don't understand that people can like stuff that is not perfect or has flaws?
Please stop posting comments regarding my comments on obesity in the section on episode 8. I have responded several times to several comments about the subject and I'm tired of repeating myself. Unless you have a new point to share, I don't want to see any more comments about it. Just talk about the rest of my video, please.
Additional edit: I feel obligated to apologize for my anger in the video. I'm poorly tempered and unfortunately this show gets under my skin easily. If you don't want anger, probably watch someone else.
I know we’re ignoring season 2 material for now, but a glaring issue I have with Truth Seekers is the vital stuff that Moxxie and Blitzo don’t see in their hallucinations that should’ve been there. These two were being faced with their biggest traumas and insecurities.
So why doesn’t Blitzo see his mom or sister. Moxxie sees nothing about his mom or dad, which makes me think that his backstory was just made up for season 2 episode 3.
Or they just didn’t want to spoil the surprise.
@@thesmallscout9810 they could’ve had them as small silhouettes cameos in the background. At the very least, so it probably foreshadows them. In universe it makes no sense.
@@cordyceps7531 They probably could’ve done that. But I still think the scene works regardless. With Moxxie, it was just him, Blitz, and their relationship. So it makes some amount of sense that didn’t hallucinate anyone else. Although that could’ve been an interesting idea, for Moxxie in his hallucination to use Crimson as a note of comparison.
For Blitz, he’s mainly displaying the recent characters he’s run in. As those would be on his mind the most.
@@thesmallscout9810 I thought that whole haluzination think was to show what they currently have to deal with (blitz with stolas and moxxie with blitz) and not past trauma?
They were having hallucinations not facing their biggest trauma. Blitz saw his romantic failings and moxie hashed it out with his boss in song.
Moxxies's biggest trauma is musicals?
Moxie, had a good trip, blitzo had a bad one.
Probably because moxie is in a better place mentally.
(Auto correct hates moxxie on my phone)
That wiki part at the beginning is so true. Like shows shouldn't hand-feed the viewer information but information shouldn't be so obscure that you have to go digging for it on the internet when it should be told in the story
Kinda like what happened with RWBY, helluva boss has an issue with lacking information about the world they live in and RWBY is the opposite, they give a lot of information but so much that it gets all tangle up and lacking some in many parts
RWBY had to create a separate segment dedicated to giving information that's too late to introduce now on the show
Is lacking but at least I hope helluva boss introduces more information before being too deep to back up as RWBY has suffered
@@Haphu15 RWBY and HB have a lot of overlap (I'll throw in HH too since that has pratically the same writing style) it's all about spectacle over substance. Maybe it would be fine if it was all just flashy stuff, but the shows go out of their way to do some deep emotional dramatic scenes (ala HB) or world-building that just comes out of nowhere (ala RWBY). With like zero build up, no lead in, no foreshadowing, just dumped on you for no reason then barely elaborated on. It's almost like a jump-scare in a sense, except instead of startling you it's trying to explain something or give some unearned character moment.
I think the shows have far too much fanfare and hype, given what you get when you watch it. It really feels like "Ohh flashy colors or designs" and people are too distracted by the jingling keys. I don't expect Helluva Boss to be perfect, but it really feels like it's being written on the fly and like they're not even trying. As if story and character come last and all that's important is the jokes, action and showing off concepts. I think that's why so many folks see it as fanfic-y, it's indulgent only to it's creator. Those episodes come off amazing to her because she already knows everything about the characters and story. Like we're not privvy to the show's plot and we are only getting breadcrumbs from her about the inner workings.
But also it's just written badly. Which is sad that all the animators had to work so hard for such a lackluster piece of media.
Yeah, you probably don't care, but the person playing Beezlebub is Kesha, who you might know for songs such as Tik Tok, Love is my Drug, and Timber.
She's pretty much the reason (nothing has been confirmed, but it's pretty obvious) the episode has been delayed for nearly two years, because she was embroiled in a lawsuit with Dr. Luke that got finished the month the episode finally released (June 2023).
What irks me the most about her is after all that effort, they do not have her sing the song. Let me repeat that: they had the episode in limbo for nearly two years for this person well known for her singing, only to not have her sing the song (although she did write it).
The only reason Viv wanted Kesha for this I reckon was fanservice for one of her old videos, an animation featuring Kesha's song 'Die Young' and a blue dog named Jayjay (which btw you can no longer find on Viv's channel because of this, which kinda renders the whole fanservice point moot as no new fan is going to get this).
Seriously, all this trouble could had been avoided if they had just went with Rochelle Diamante (the actual singer of the song) for both VA and singing and we would had the episode release on time and not leave people waiting 3/4 of a year for a episode that would go on to be very bad for the series.
Viv in general seems to focus more on what she WANTS the show to be, rather than what would make it better for anyone whose not HER.
When you get to Season 2, talk about how Blitz and his IMP business are barely the focus anymore. The two latest episodes have the main characters being Fizz and Ozzie.
honestly true, ngl the plot of them and their business is what made me wanna watch it cause i thought it was interesting, but now i just completely lost interest because theyre not sticking with the plot anymore, so now i just don’t care for the show lol
Bro Helluva Boss went from a mid show (season 1), to a trash show (season 2) and I couldn't be happier 💀
Why are you happy to see a show you don’t like get worse? Wouldn’t you want it to improve?
@@thesmallscout9810 agreed, i have Mixed Feelings with Shows Like Jujutsu Kaisen, Helluva Boss, Hazbin Hotel, Demon Slayer and my Hero Academia, Not because they're "Bad", but because they Had so much Potential when it came to certain Storylines or Characters that could've Been written so much better which Makes me angry at Times. Good Point👍
I actually agree with you on Beelzebub, she should be a little overweight in my opinion. As someone who's a bit chubby myself, I don't think you were being fat phobic or anything by stating that, in fact, I think it's great that you pointed this out as I feel there should be more representation for overweight characters in media.
Great video by the way! Love the editing.
As someone who struggled with weight in the past, I agree with this take. It’s not fatphobic at all, and I agree there should be more unique body types, but then again Twitter would probably be alllllllll over Viv if she was chubby. Also the video was really good at establishing writing flaws
Also I think Beelzebub also represent other things in Gluttony beside food, it could be for emotions since the princess can sense other emotion.
So she could also be affect by others feelings, if she want to feel or feed on that good feeling she have to make sure everyone around her is happy.
But that what I got from the episode
Gluttony is overindulgence to me that was shown without her being bigger that’s such a cop out and kinda makes me sad how many people think just because she isn’t heavy set , that she isn’t still gluttonous she was making food and drinks bigger then they needed , she had everyone overindulged on her music and cotton candy
I know this is old, but I just wanted to add something. Her torso looks to be made of a fire-like substance, causing anything she eats or drinks to just be... burned completely. Personally, I think this is actually a good choice, since it shows that she has no consequences for her overindulgence and gluttony. Imo, it makes here feel more like a sin, having nothing that stops her from acting out the bad behavior.
And then that idea was completely thrown out the window when Beelzebub was CONCERNED for Blitz at the party. Way to ruin the concept of a sin as a character, Viv.
This is actually a problem that I have with Asmodeus, too. Why the hell should the Sin of Lust be in a relationship and care about consent? That's ridiculous! It makes him seem more like a morally good character than... the SIN OF LUST. Honestly, Valentino is a better sin of lust than Asmodeus, and that's kinda sad.
This also makes Mammon my favorite out of all of them. He's actually sinful, and has no repercussions for his actions. He actually feels like the sin of greed, which is what we need more of.
Anyway, I'm not trying to say that you're wrong, I just personally think that Beelzebub having nothing happen to her body a good design choice, showing that she can just eat and indulge in whatever he wants. Idk, just a thought, you don't have to agree if you don't want to.
I personally haven’t watched Helluva boss 1 bit. My friends keep talking about it to me and spoiling the episodes! One friend in particular shared this video with me and I think it’s severely underrated! I have a big presentation tomorrow and I had a lot of stress but watching this made me feel oddly less stressed and more comforted.
Bruh I love the little face in the corner so much- so expressive waaaa
Great job on this vid my dude
I think the critique of the writing comedy-wise can be pinpointed back to the other writer on HB, Brandon Rogers. A lot of his skits are overtly meant for curse words and gross topics placed in slapstick and watching some of his skits or series can really show that, although a lot of his actual writing that doesn't base it on swears is actually pretty unique and sort of mellows out the need for profanities in each scene.
I think its this point on why helluva boss is so odd with its writing, the comedy and serious storytelling are on two levels and it mixes and mashes in a weird way whenever you see the show on screen. at one point you have to laugh at a demon shouting the buck with an f word but then you need to clear cut shift to a serious moment about love and the scary villains and how they nearly killed the protagonists etc.
This is such a good analysis. I enjoyed your discussion of all the writing flaws.
This show isn’t what I hoped it would be.
Though I plan to keep watching, you’ve put all of my disappointments with the series into words.
Viv can't take a good criticism.
The 6th episode of season 2 actually shows how Ozzie was being a hipocrite
remember, I'm ignoring season 2 for this video
The pilot isn't canon, which Vivzie should have made clear way before 2 years into the show's run. The fact that the imps showed on live TV (and later in a church) in the pilot while they were a secret to humans in the show was confusing. I liked the pilot alot even though it has sloppy pacing (a flashback within a flashback?) but i'm the kind who enjoys vulgar humor
Everything has its flaws but the one thing I start to see from everything I like is if the flaws keep showing up. You know the person that's making does not changing if the flaws are changing. They're starting to be aware what they're doing
Really good criticism about the show that I don’t notice since I’m too busy admiring the animation and loving the characters.
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Gluttony isnt about food or "overweight people" as you stated
It's about overindulgence, and you can overindulge in absolutely anything
The food part was when food was sparse and not plentiful, like in the west. It's about cultural contexts, and the show is based in a really modern westernized context, so indulgence can be literally anything.
Yes, I agree there should be more body rep, and the show backhanded itself when they said "but it would be fatphobic to rep gluttony as fat" but then made greed fat, when both sins are heavily intertwined.
(also note: you said bee didnt do drugs, but in the show she did say that she did.(also drug consumers can look any type of way, stereotyping those who are drug dependent can lead to many not seeking help)
I believe you're thinking more of the sin of Greed
the sin of Gluttony (not the dictionary definition) is defined as overindulging in food
please understand most of my Christianity knowledge comes from research, not personal experience, but I would somewhat hope the show explains it for people like me
and if you're right about Bee mentioning doing drugs, that's my bad, but my point about her pristine appearance still stands if she "overindulges"
@@maniCARNY Greed and Gluttony have always been intertwined
its greedy to keep food to yourself and its gluttonous to overindulge in unhealthy habits, even outside of consumption
"Sins" are based off of human traits, and are far more complex then what christian research has to offer (especially since these themes and topics are seen in all cultures)
@@sweetdiscordia3404 fair enough, but Beelzebub is heavily treated like someone who overindulges in food and drugs, not necessarily "anything".. she certainly doesn't come off as greedy at all, so I simply interpreted her as being just that: a glutton
my research is not very in-depth, and I somewhat regret making such a firm claim, but I honestly just thought the show presented each sin as described directly from the Bible (or some other scripts), not necessarily translated to/from other cultures, or representative of general negative human behavior
Except we see Bee getting worried about Blitzo overindulging at the party.
Kind of the opposite of what she represents. Because we can't make Kesha-I mean Bee look bad.
You misunderstand she feeds off the good vibes of her party goers self destructiveness is bad vibes. She uses those vibes in making her mead Bealzebrew. Her concern is genuine though.
"I think her reaction is strange because she has been supposedly good her whole life", well over reactions like that happen all the time with people with little to no prior criminal history, and she could have been speaking with much bias
Probably should mention the pilot is 3rd level Canon, unless it takes a scene from it and adds it to the show then it's most likely not Canon. Oh and some the points you mentioned have been answered by ayylmao who's made some RUclips shorts explaining it, cartoon universe also mentioned some
sadly ayylmao is a paid shill so i wouldn’t buy it
You and I are pretty similar in the sense that we look for (objective) flaws in everything. I 100% agree with everything you said. I don't think the writing or the characters are done well and they should have just made a show that's not story-based because I think they'd be a lot better at it
Why so based?
honestly- helluva has a VERY big phasing problem, I feel like every episode would hit better if it had the "emotional character" moments in like end of a season so it would get better build up to it over the season, like if we got the classic episodes of IMP just going around killing and doing their buisness which would have hints and pit points that would then bleed into the last episode with the "emotional character" moment. Also I feel like every episode should have one villain to focus on that then gets defeated at the end of the season. I am not a writer just a suggestion.
That part was a little fatphobic despite you thinking it wasnt- you did a really bad research.
"Obesity is a complex and chronic disease with many causes. It is not simply a result of overeating."
"Obesity is not simply the result of excess calorie consumption. It is rather the direct consequence of a change in hormones that control body weight, energy metabolism and appetite."
This is on google, you didn't bother to look that up.
Plus, there are different body types and some have a slower metabolism, meaning easier to gain weight than to lose. Despite normal amount of eating and not excess.
Everything else in this video? Yeah i agree. Helluva boss is mid
Okay? I know obesity isn't only caused by overeating. But there's the problem: "not simply". It can be caused by a number of issues, but it is very much in part a result of overeating, and is in fact one of THE most common causes, along with little physical activity (additionally, Beelzebub is often shown flying rather than walking). What's your source? I cited mine in the video.
And yes, it's perfectly possible Beezlebub just has a very strong metabolism. But so do I, and I still gain substantial weight if I eat a lot. But she eats a LOT-- she is a glutton. The ULTIMATE glutton. She should at least have some visible fat.
Also, call it ignorance, but how is my lack of research offensive? If I said "I think skinny characters suck and they should all be fat" THAT'S fatphobic. But I didn't say that.
Anyway, regardless, I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
@@maniCARNY I don't think I remember her overeating? She seems to feed off energy than actual food from what I got
She seems to feed off the overindulgence from people in her party.
Also, for the source? I just got it from Google and from articles talking about researchers and scientists speaking about this kind of thing, don't remember the sites exactly unless I look up again, in the video yours also came from Google though so I don't think it matters if I show it or not.
@@maniCARNY also, there's a lot of fat people that aren't overeaters, they just have a hard time losing weight despite doing exercises, that's what I was talking about when mentioned low metabolism
I have a relative who's plus sized and she's not an overeater, she eats normal amounts of food and often avoids sugar, but because for her body type is easier to gain weight than to lose ( pear shape/endomorph) she gains weight relatively easier despite not eating in excess. Sometimes it's neither disease or overeating, it's just the metabolism I guess.
@@maniCARNY coming back here to mention something.
You said that it would have only been fatphobic if you said skinny characters suck and they should all be fat? how is that fatphobic-?
Fatphobic would be saying the exact opposite of that (as in "fat characters suck, they should all be skinny"). THAT'S fatphobic. Not the other way around.
Anyway, I hope some day that you will take responsibility and accountability for those words and actions, even if they are minor. It felt like a really bad generalization.
@maniCARNY yikes.
Unpopular opinion which is not specific to this video and is made with no aggression to anyone, personally I’d feel a little weird making the only fat character the sin of gluttony. Besides anything else about whatever just on a vibe basis I can see why they didn’t do it. The overall solution to that issue is definitely just to have more body types though not continue to avoid fat people. I see both sides of the argument but at of the day I see the vibe they were going for.
20:41 FATASI LIFE FISHING THEME !??????
Also Loona was raised to basically not have social skills because of where she grew up so she’s just scared that no one is gonna be friends with her
This was not explained until season 2, hence I ignore it for my season 1 review
great video! i agree with the majority of your points and thoughts. you gave HB a solid criticism, which is, to be fair, quite rare to see unbiased reviews of it. can’t wait to hear your thoughts about season 2, because dear god is it something. stay safe from the rabid HB fans lmao
The thing you mention about people being fat as a result of overeating , as if it's a 100% fact is a bit... well... wrong. ^^;
Some people are fat because of genetics or just because they gain weight faster, not because they spend a alot of time over eating. There's thin people that overeat/ eat lots of junk food (myself included!) and we aren't fat.
So... idk, I think being like "it's science" is kinda messed up but otherwise your commentary is nice!
Genetics do play a part in gaining/maintaining weight, however they are not "a" cause. They are only a contributor. People can often overcome obesity despite their genetic background. You can also avoid it altogether if you maintain yourself well; exercise enough to burn off the calories you gain by eating (in other words: overeating).
> www.webmd.com/obesity/features/are-you-fated-be-fat#:~:text=Family%20history%20alone,life%2C%E2%80%9D%20Li%20says.
It's also been found genetics is not a primary cause because obesity is a universal condition. All groups of people can be affected by it, although genetics can make it more difficult for some. It's not a cause for obesity.
> www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/why-people-become-overweight#:~:text=The%20prevalence%20of,overweight%20and%20obesity.
Lastly, thin people can avoid obesity. This can be a number of factors, mainly relating to environmental factors. Personally, I have food trauma which for the longest time disallowed me to eat like a normal human. Other people may eat slower (allowing them to realize they're full before a faster eater, meaning they're less at risk for overeating), exercise more, and, back on point, have good genetics. Again, we go to the point of these being habits to avoid overeating.
> www.cigna.com.hk/en/smarthealth/eat/4-reasons-why-some-people-eat-a-lot-but-never-get-fat
There's a counterpoint; Beelzebub flies a lot and dances a lot. But I reiterate: she is the PRINCE OF GLUTTONY. She is also, as I eloquently put it, "skinny as a stick". Someone like her, who likely eats large amounts of food (prince of gluttony) would likely find it difficult to burn off all those calories. She also consumes drugs, according to the episode, so I'm surprised she can do so many physical stunts anyway.
Basically, I can believe that Beelzebub manages to burn off all those calories, despite being THE GLUTTON of all time, without the show telling me, but I'm going to have to raise an eyebrow to it. I only gave this long-winded response because I am constantly being falsely corrected on the subject. I appreciate the added complement though.
Also, if you eat a lot of junk food, you might be experiencing health problems regardless of your weight. Just a tip.
@@maniCARNY I appreciate the stuff you sent I’m just making a point that it’s not ALWAYS that fat people are fat because they eat more.
To say it’s always that and not because they just are fat, the same way some people just are skinny makes it seem as if we’re all born skinny and then have to maintain that.
When that isn’t the case necessarily.
Some people that are fat can go to the gym and work against being fat or burn it off sure but in their “normal” state they just are fat.
I’ve seen fat athletes and fat body builders. They’re healthy/don’t over eat, even eat good!
But just are bigger because that’s their body type.
Also, you mention I could have health problems even if I eat junk food.
I never said I was HEALTHIER! Just that I’m skinny and eat junk food!
I’m not arguing skinny = healthy! I’m just arguing that being fat isn’t always about overeating.
At least not always! The same way being skinny isn’t something people always work towards or “earn” in a gym.
I didn’t work to be thin. I just am. 🤷🏾♀️
Also to reiterate, I’m not saying that being fat can’t be a result of overeating.
It can! I’m just saying that’s not ALWAYS the case.
For every fat person on earth they aren’t fat because they over ate is what I’m saying. 😅
Fair enough, I can accept your point then. I appreciate the courtesy ^^
It's a really good analysis, but sometimes you sound waaaay too harsh with parts that are obviously just meant to be jokes (the young and old part on cherubs for example)
fair, but I was genuinely getting angry while reading my script just because of how many pseudo-jokes/mistakes there were in the episode
if the old/young switch was a joke it wasn't very apparent, is what I mean
@@maniCARNY im not trying to be rude, but you do sound overly bitter about everything during the review. im not judging you for not enjoying the show all that much, i don't like it either, i just think you gave too much emphasis to things that weren't meant to be serious
perhaps. I'm a poorly tempered person. I can't help it sometimes.
I like Striker, but then you probably skipped his song so you probably don't like him as much
She's a fox not a hellhound
I didn't say Beelzebub was necessarily a hellhound, just the implication that a bunch of Hellhounds hang out around her gives me the impression she's meant to be themed around them
I stated it matter of factly (that she was a "Hellhound") to keep myself brief
She looks like a hellhound
why queen bee is thic and perfect body?when is about gluttony.sorry if it is fatphobic.
I am sorry, but are you okay? You sound like you're on the verge of crying all the time.
@@daniellevi4946 I appreciate you checking in. I was not doing great at the time. But it had nothing to do with the show.
Bee is a fox not a dog.
I've replied to someone else about this already.
This isn't really relevant to my review anyway, I don't see the burning desire to correct me on this.
This is like saying Tony the Tiger is a Tiger and not a cat
WHY DONT PEOPLE GET THAT BEE’S DESIGN IS A TRIBUTE TO VIV’S DIE YOUNG MUSIC VIDEO?!
Because this was supposed to be a design for a cardinal sin, not an furrie oc
To be honest i thing the probleme is You not the show to me it sound like the show is just not made for you and it's fine everone has there owe opinion and taste for exemple i don't like strawberry but thera are a lot of people who like it and it's fine it's just my personal taste and
What im trying to say is that i love helluva boss it's character's and art style and i thing all the songs are GRETA and i love all épisodes of season1(yes even cherub)
and i well just like the show so yeah(and before you say anything no i am not a
"edgy Teen" Im 20 years old adultes can like the show too you know
I am fully aware the show can be liked by adults; they're the target audience.
I certainly agree, the show is not really for me. I loved the concept introduced in the pilot, but when I realized I wasn't getting that I slowly lost interest. Still, I tried to sit through the episodes and give honest objective thoughts (plus some personal opinions, so that the video is unique).
It's good you enjoy the show, I have no problem with that. And I'm glad you have no problem with me. I just hope my video isn't being invalidated just because the show might not appeal to me. There are flaws that I pointed out, and if you don't care for them then more power to you. Some people, like me, do care if a show is flawed.
I hope I don't come off too aggressively in my comments..
Na, the show is pretty bad
@@DromusTH that's your opinion but know thera are people who like the show like me
You genuinely like calarts outlined crap that's basically done for beginners animation courses in both uni and community colleges? That...kind of displays how I can see it, from your perspective liking a show that has much lack in character development, multiple resets within that area, and most of it would be called out in real life by people. I.e. they have not changed in their behaviors. Which does show in both season 1 and 2. Keep in mind I'm 21 a year older then you, and am studying into Animation. The show, really would not be taken in seriousness by some companies.
@@ownerlesscat7523 So its not a perfect show right so you should not like it... For you're age you really don't understand that people can like stuff that is not perfect or has flaws?