HVAC Is Going To Get Even More Expensive in 2025…
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
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Thank you much for recommended the web site. I earned the universal certificate. I invested about $2000 on HVAC tools. some are cheap some are expensive depend on its function. I recently success to replaced the evaporator coils, service shut off valve, heat exchangers, blower motors, pilot assembly and other small items for my 2 systems are over 30 years old. It's now still working as it should be. I think $2000 tools already paid off for itself.
If you bought name brand, used equipment, you can probably recoup a good part of that 2k. Fieldpiece, Appion, etc- unless you need a refrigerant recovery machine sitting in your garage….ll
how close are you to wisconsin come here and install my system i will help and will pay you then i do not need to buy tools lol
I installed 4 mini-splits and it was still 1/2 the price of a whole house unit AND I did the installation and maintenance myself...it is not complicated folks...knowledge of basic wiring and mechanical aspects is all you need...it ain't rocket science...we also bought a large canister of 410a so we are ready for whatever comes our way
You do know 410 YOU HAVE TO CHARGE IN LIQUID ONLY
@@paulcerny3805 So flip the bottle upside-down?
Good luck when you want to fix them after failure. I hear it's really complicated and hard to get parts.
With the reliability of full split systems I’m not sure it matters anyway. I’d just replace the mini split if it breaks. Still going to come out ahead. Heat pumps are so much more efficient in the right climate like mine.
If you have a leak on a mini split system you can't just add refrigerant the refrigerant needs to be weighed in you can't just check your pressure and add refrigerant
It will be cheaper for me to go to an HVAC TECHNICAL school then to have someone install it
good luck with that
Lol
@@jakewharton-dh5cx the technical school in my local area is $15,000 for HVAC/R to install a furnace is about $8000 after the second furnace I should’ve just went to school
@@bluejay713I got my 608 universal for just that reason.
@@jakewharton-dh5cx in my local area to be an HVAC/R school $10,000-$15,000 that includes the books and the equipment my local HVAC charges $8000 just for a furnace that is not include the air conditioner. It would be better for me to go to school then to hier an HVAC technician.
My system is 23 years old. R22. Gave it a charge boost last week. Still working! Going to try this fall to replace the system. With this GREAT information I get here...😁
I’m in the same boat as you. Our system is 25 years old R-22. It’s a comfort maker unit. I of course over the 25 years have replaced the condenser motor, capacitor, contactor, etc. But it still runs extremely well. But hearing this news makes me seriously think of upgrading the entire HVAC system before 2025
I recommend, that if you have old HVAC equipment that you repair it and never replace it! All new HVAC equipment is garbage!!!!
@@jonclark9920 Thank you for that. You are not the first person to mention that to me. That’s what I have heard from several different people. They all tell me the new equipment available just doesn’t hold up like stuff from 15-20 years ago. One guy told me that in his opinion the reason why the R22 equipment keeps on kicking is the system operation pressure. He said R410 refrigerant is much higher than R22. He told me they see a lot of leaks at the evaporator coils with R410.
Ive got two Armstrong air units from '89. Still going strong. Gotta love R22 and a piston. No circuit boards, low pressure, and a couple of capacitors.
@@customdetailer0078Problem is they stopped making R22. I used to be able to buy it on eBay. The service companies still have a supply but they charge a fortune to add a little to your system.
Consider mini splits. Specifically the hybrid units that run directly from solar panels. You can't beat free heat and air. Pretty inexpensive. $1,299 for a 12,000btu unit, and $1899. for a 24,000btu unit. Fairly easy DIY project if you are handy at all
Thanks for the info. I just went window units and turned the central up to 84/80 deg. It hasn't been on since last Tuesday and it has been over 90 deg everyday 100+ with humidity.
Replaced 4 ton this week that was 18 years old and took dump. New systems were $11,600 - $24,000 in north georgia. Got it done for 11k by paying cash.
Word to all…an entire system doesn’t all go out at once unless there is a fire. You simply repair or replace the needed parts and pieces…i.e. fan motor, capacitor, coil, board etc… I have had the same unit for almost 20 years. But some may want a new unit to have piece of mind and limited down time and I totally get that.
Keep the old stuff going...less headaches, cheaper, have a few quality spare parts on hand and they will likely last longer than any HVAC person tells you.
I watch these videos to keep my copper coils alive as long as possible my neighbors two year old aluminum is a leaker.
I make bank replacing copper coils so that's not a good plan. It's a matter of luck and environment. I had a personal evap last 26 years. But I am replacing younger coils of both types.
There is no one base metal that is superior, with regard to leaks it depends on what alloys and coatings are used, and the thickness of the coils. The infamous Lennox class action suit was for their copper coils and they have switched to an aluminum alloy. Copper is the best conductor of heat/cold (other than pure silver), but copper is very expensive and pure copper can develop leaks, so it has to be properly coated or mixed with some alloy. Copper is so expensive that some people have their outside coils vandalized by thieves who sell them as scrap copper.
Mine is leaking at 3yrs. Warranty does not cover labor or refrigerant. Spending 2k every 3 yr. to keep this junk going is B.S. I am going to window units. Install is also a rip off they are making 7k to 10k labor for 1 day of work.
@@venvnco6259 As an HVAC tech, I agree with multiple smaller, less expensive units. They can be closely tailored to each individual area of a building.
@@venvnco6259 It has to be related to the quality of install too. That profit is out of control, my friend was quoted 20k for 2ton, 60k furnace and new coil. I bought the equivalent parts for 4600. Not daikin but jeez that stuff is gold priced.
The general "rule of thumb" for residential HVAC pricing where I live in the northern mid west is material x 2 + 15% = total job price. This can vary depending on many factors though such as ease of job, complexity of job, distance away, work environment, size of company (overhead costs) etc. but it is a good, general starting point. I've been installing since the mid 80's, this is why I know this.
As for the new flammable refrigerant, here are some bullet points from a class that was recently given where I live concerning it-
New AC coils will come with a "mitigation" sensor installed and a control board that must be wired into the t-stat, outdoor unit and furnace that will turn the system off it senses flammable vapor and then run the fan continuously but will always allow "heating mode" to function normally
(This makes no sense if there are flammable vapors nearby).
New AC equipment cannot be installed in the same area with a water heater that does not have a flammable vapor sensor and one will need to replace the water heater also if it doesn't have vapor sensor.
Must weigh in charge and place a label on condenser.
Required to check every fitting/connection with an electronic leak detector.
Required to pressure test at 600 psi with nitrogen for one hour and check each fitting with soapy solution.
New refrigerant (454B) canister will have left handed threads (adapter required).
Soft solder is no longer allowed in case house burns and solder melts and then causes refrigerant to escape.
*R410a equipment and refrigerant will still be manufactured and available "for repairs" only and condensers and coils cannot be sold "together/designed to be installed as a system". *
I can't wait to retire....
I hope you're right but if a sensor or board fails and the house burns down, who will be responsible for the losses?
I'm glad I retired 15 years ago!
Thanks for the tips. I see what you did here and how to play the games if needed. That water heater trick is a joke. If you have a leak keep the heat on. RIGHT epa/building code dumb asses. Please retire and get on you tube educating instead.
What good is a sensor going to do, if you don't lock out the coil from the rest of the system.
Solenoid valves. What are they going to do, just let the refrigerant completely leak out.
@@poormiserablesinner4600 Yes, not to mention almost every water heater I've installed that has a flammable vapor sensor refuses to operate because it "senses" something and I've had to bypass the sensor with an appropriate resistor. This may also happen with the sensors they are requiring for the new systems, who knows...
After living through the AC world for the last 63 years it seems like starting around the 1980s a new, more expensive refrigerant was lobbied ( by manufactures) to be made mandatory by the government whenever the current refrigerants became to "affordable".
Cmon, you don’t believe manufacturers conspire against us…..cause I do.
They refrigerant manufacturers may have just screwed themselves, seing that r290 is simply propane that has had almost all the moisture removed., and r290 appears to be a very effective replacement refrigerant for many older refrigerants, and you only need about 40% r290 by weight when replacing older refrigerants. I wonder how much moisture is actully in common propane?
@@davegeorge9538 They cant do it unless your representative in Congress agree to it- Just say-in.
well there WAS that little "Gonna kill all life on earth if it gets bigger, and it is..." hole in the ozone. And that was getting a LOT better until Elon Musk started sending up so many rockets to make more money for himself...
Manufacturers engineer MUCH of their systems to comply with US governmental regulations. The Federal government costs you a HUGE amount of money, in little places here and there throughout the economy. HVAC is one of them. Major household appliances are another. Vehicles are a third. This isn't an internet rumor. This statement isn't right wing, leftwing, or chickenwing. These government mandates do not only cost you money, they FORCE companies to deliver inferior technologies. You're paying a lot more, for less and less, and the benefits of these government dictates, are nil.
Just had my a/c done finished install yesterday. From old r22 with a melted plastic drip pan to a new 410a system. Price was very reasonable and I'm a happy customer staying cool.(well, it is only 60 here now, but) Thank you for the updates
We were quoted to install new ac compressor and air handler plus new duct work for a 1586 sq ft ranch nothing special house, it was $29000 . When the rep showed me the quote , I asked if they would pay for a surgeon to medically remove the quote from a certain part of my body . He didnt even take me for dinner , it was just a wham bam thank you mam . He kept telling me that it was a great price, yep for him and his family so they could go to europe for a 8 week vacation. Mini splits are now coming out with 16 inch registers/ cassettes that fit between roof joists, so you dont have to have it parked on the wall . Hope this helps . Last but not least thank you for the informational video , all the best to one and all 👍
You should get a T&M quote. Duct work is expensive no matter how you choose to do it.
The air conditioning industry is so greedy and corrupt, it is horrible. Guys like Dave (the “DIY HVAV GUY”) will be the new honest standard. He is a great teacher too. I will only support and purchase equipment from guys like him. We all need to spend our money with this guy to change the industry.
It's not the HVAC industry, it's the government requiring the new refrigerant regulations, thus raising the price of everything.
If you have a problem you can trace it all back to the government.
@@scottchapman9931 the average person would think that way…but unfortunately you are wrong. Corporate LOBBYISTS think this crap up and get the corrupt politicians to act. FOLLOW THE MONEY…these HVAC corporations love this money-making changes. This is exactly the same as computer companies create “updated” equipment and make billions with every new Apple iPhone. They force your (perfectly functioning phones) equipment to become obsolete. Don’t let them fool you…the corporations IS the government.
@@scottchapman9931 hey Scott…in this time in history, the corporations are the government. Campaign financing has been out of control for decades now. Politicians are corporate puppets
We’re going to improve yourselves out of existence!
You got it!!!!!!!
Plumber here, we installed a customer supplied tankless water heater (it was he cheapest Bosch unit that they sell at Lowe’s) for a client. We warned them about how we can only warrantee our work and anything that goes wrong with the unit in the future will be on them. They said “go ahead, I’ve done my research.” Long story short, they had nothing but trouble with it, my boss was on the phone with tech support for almost 3 hours total! After they tried every way possible to try to blame our install, there was a faulty part in it. Any money they saved was just burned up on labor, and then some.
No surprise here - German manufactured products are generally crap. Unfortunately too many American made products are garbage as well!
I purchased a jug of R22 last Friday! Still available but expensive. There is a lot of commercial equipment out here still using it.
I hope most of the scam HVAC companies fold and go out of business. The industry needs a reset of quality fresh new blood. I have been scammed so many times that I decided to go Window AC on my rental properties and lower the rent a bit. Saved me nearly 6 figures so far in a few years of having to pay overprice pathetic installers.
And the new "U"shaped window units take up much less window space and are quieter.
Scams are going to get worse in all fields because our government is taking more.
People will do the same in response. If we more the chains from government then this will be far less but sadly I dont see that happening.. Send another 80 billion overseas!
I have a 27 year old system still cranking away but like me, its getting older and I don't know which day, month or year it will die. The prices like everything is going up and recently two bids for a 5 ton with gas furnace install is $12,500. As many others here have mentioned, I am looking at mini splits, the new U Shape window units and a window fan standing by just in case! Who knows what all this government spending and government debt will do for the consumer whose purchasing power is declining by the day. Yes, the richer seem to be getting richer but the ordinary 8 to 4 worker is hurting. I've even started looking at marketplace and craigslist for second hand R22 systems and 410a systems that guys have replaced and are selling. I'll stockpile a few, a few jugs of refrigerant, and hopefully it will last me until the Grim Reaper shows up.
@@rosewoodsteel6656 I just installed 2 more of the Midea units upstairs to go along with the 2 downstairs. Costco had the 12K BTU on sale for $279. I saw an immediate drop in electricity used since the central unit doesn't need to come on.
@@forcedair92gt94 Very cool! (Sorry about that..) Do you find them quieter than the old window shakers?
Pay 2 to 3 times more and get someone that does a subpar job. I can't believe how bad it is now.
It has become a total rip off.
Same with electricians, plumbers, or any other skilled trade, ever since the US government gave away trillions of dollars after COVID, and people had more money to spend on remodeling, and workers demand higher pay. I was quoted $3K by a person who repairs cracks in brick/mortar and he said it would take him one day and no additional bricks were needed. I have some luck with the installation service and discounts offered by big box and warehouse stores.
I replaced my whole setup. The previous install was very poor in some areas, some things done ok. but air sealing around things was a total hack job. Condensate drain was a joke. I'm looking forward to clean filtered air. It's very icy, condensate was pour out of the new coil.
You are not going to pay two or three times it will be the same nothing about these new laws affect you. If they do you are a victim of greed and shop around and get prices first.
@scoobtoober2975 If you see ice you need to call for help you have a problem.
Dave, this has traction for views. Keep it up. This topic is worth big money to pro's. Anyone watching this is dying to save. I just turned my system on today. 2 ton hyper heat, 60k furnace 2 stage variable fan, and indoor coil. It was a ton of work, virgin here with a 608, zero helping hands. Except my wife. Lots of moving parts, lots of things to learn and mistakes were made. Real world numbers a friend got to do the exact swap out. 20k. My equipment was 4,600. Extras/install stuff and tools another 2k. Total less than 7k. Vs that 20k. Very steep. My neighbors ac is now the noisy device between us. And it's not that old. 2 years or so.
When i turned this inverter on i thought it wasn't even on. Very very cool and slow. Some steps of the process took time to learn and i've watched hundreds of videos on this topic. Craig michlachio (wrong spelling for sure), quality hvac as he got a start as diy and turned pro. I may go pro if needed. I know it's tough to support a tech truck, insurance and workers. But man 14k working/labor/profit. 200% profit. Someone tell me the breakdown and your margins. I know you don't do change outs all the time. Stop doing shady maintenance and selling things that are not needed. You would be more busy. This concept of quality sells more is so true. It shows with how many are doing this DIY. Oh and do not buy a cheap core removal tool you will potentially blow your whole system down by the core getting stuck in limbo. I practiced on my old one and learned what not to do. You cold pump it all back into the condenser. I think that's what any experienced person would do. I wouldn't have thought of that at that time if it was my first time. Make sure the tool grabs the core on it's own with pinchers or o-ring device at the stem. Get bubble leak detector and use it often during pressure tests. Not vacuum ones. My cheap core tool also leaked at high pressure.
Keep on, keep on. Thanks for the tips
well, this 65yr gal doesn't have 20k. Bought a house I could afford last year. But 32yro a/c is leaking now, and furnace is 34yro. (HWH is 14..I do have an anode rod, just need an impact drill, if it's not too late).I knew these were old but w/ac now leaking, I'd best be ready. I can live w 80-85 temps in summer, and prefer 65 in winter. I'm thinking a mini split..a diy Mr Cool for ac for now (& backup heat if furnace fails this year) and sort heat next year. Or just dive into a Mitsubishi mini-split system. Those 20k central systems are too costly. Even 10k is impossible.
It's RARE to find ANY contractor (electrical, HVAC, plumber, auto, etc...) who will install ANYTHING that a homeowner buys on their own.
It depends on what it is.
Agree, why would they be happy doing your job at half their normal profit? Not many are hurting for work right now so you are more likely to get bottom barrel quality to agree. Install, vac, flow, braze your own and just call them for the commission service call as mentioned in other comments.
just have to look harder.. works for me
@@GreyRockOneworks for you? What works for you? If I would install your equipment, I'd make as much or more than I normally do and you'd be paying more overall because I can get a system for $500 to $800 less than you because I buy so much..
Most if not all reputable contractors are not going to install the equipment you purchased off the internet because:
1. They can’t guarantee their work
2. There is much less profit in it
my 1986 vintage 1200 sq ft home in Texas is cooled by a 10k and an 8k window unit and a couple of small floor level fans and one ceiling fan during the day. it works well. I turn both off at night, in the summer, and use a floor fan in the bed room. so cheap. when I leave for the day the 10k is turned off and the 8k alone keeps the house at a moderate temp.
Flammable refrigerant. Sounds like a real improvement. SMH
Help you buy new house faster or moving on for a better life 😉lol
Right up there with the new flammable brake cleaner!!!
R32 is not new or dangerous, its been used exclusively in Europe for 25 years now.
Everything is flammable.
The new kitchen appliances have flammable refrigerant in them too already. So when you have a house fire you Will have a House Fire.
About to...!? Bloody hell, it already is!
I asked 2 different HVAC companies in my small town (40,000) for an estimate on *new ductwork only* for one floor (700 sq. ft ) of an existing 15 year old Lennox Elite system
with everything else already fully gutted/remodel-exposed, & easily accessible...less than 60' of duct, 4 new "boots", & 8 angled joints...
$3,550.00!
Not to forget, they both tried hard to upsell me on $6,000 to $12,000 worth of (unneeded) electrical mini-split "upgrades"...
They must be getting some serious rebates/incentives offered from the manufacturers!
I've got a natural gas furnace, which can heat very effectively on propane with a nozzle adapter kit. And I can power the electronics easily w/my EMP-shielded tri-fuel backup generator.
That won't go "down" & leave my family's a$$e$ in the freezing cold like would happen with power-sucking mini-splits if the grid crashes.
I'm a general contractor but with experience "only" in roofing, framing, flooring, drywall, & plumbing...not HVAC & sheet metal.
So, screw them! If they can't give me an honest quote within reason, I'll do it my damn self!
At this point, it would be better and cheaper just to have a bunch of mini splits
Mini splits are where it's all going, I'm shopping for a solar powered one now. Central systems are just becoming unaffordable
That's what I did...4 mini-splits was still 1/2 the price of a whole house unit AND I did the installation and maintenance myself...it is not complicated folks
Installed 2 12ks to replace my central unit. 1200 sq feet. Cost was about $1300 with tools and a couple days to figure it out. That was a year ago. The house has been a constant 69 degrees with a high of 110 last July to a low of 15 for 4 days straight this last Feb. with much less power consumption. Minis are the way to go.
All the mini splits I’ve installed are all 410a I’m curious if those are going to change too
@@AdamG19891 When I bought a year ago, a number of brands had your choice. Looks like they are well into the transition.
Back in 2018 I replaced the AC and furnace units in my house before I sold it, my brother had an in with a HVAC contractor and got a 2.5 ton Ameristar and gas furnace total cost was just under $1600 with having to buy some sheet metal to fabricate the interface from the furnace to the duct work. My brother helped with the install and already had all the tools because of his appliance repair business.
Theres going to be a rush by a LOT of shady/greedy companies telling the customer that R410 is not available at the start of 2025 and they need a whole new system, this happened when R22 was phased out, A lot of contractors won't install or will not guaranty customer bought equipment. Good luck on getting a warranty claim accepted on customer bought equipment. I'm glad I've retired from the HVAC field with all the federal limits that cost a lot more to everybody.
I've picked up many customers this way wanting a second opinion from me since I only do repair work only. Most companies around here are all about selling new equipment installations
I'm thinking about retiring because my loyal customers think I'm ripping them off anymore with the prices of equipment, copper and freon. It breaks my heart they think I would do them like that, meanwhile I'm living almost in poverty. Then inconsiderate people make videos telling others that HVAC companies are ripping them off. This guy is helping cause the collapse of small HVAC companies by making people think we are thieves. I'm about done with it, I'll go drive for UPS and let you diy people have at it and make much more money.
@@Bryan-Hensley I hear you and agree
I’m deeply sorry if you feel attacked in any way. My intent is to help homeowners and DIYers. That is all. If you want to argue that you can’t run your hvac business because people don’t want to pay your prices, I can counter that with the fact that millions of people have to make payments on their hvac system because they can’t afford to pay for it outright. That’s messed up. You are probably the thousandth person to leave this comment and this is the thousandth time I’ve replied the same.
Many apologies.
Dave
Yea , recently I had to get new system it was 16,900$ which was double from our last one that was 7,000.
In the house I grew up in, we had two window units for the summer. When we sold the house, we STILL were using the same two window units TWENTY FIVE YEARS LATER.
HVAC is a racket.
Its a Racket till your equipment Breaks down in the middle of the night in the winter and you demand someone be there ASAP.
I feel ya bro but then again, I am spoiled and sometimes I have to turn on a heater for my feet because the super COLD AC is blowing under my desk. Plus I can look out and see my trees all day and night. And I don't have a noisy smelly window unit with that moldy coil that blows its bad breath into my house along with the cold air that dissipates into hot air after just 20 feet. You are roughing it, bro. No offense. But once you have central air, yeah....
Those 25-year-old units are not made anymore. The ones you get today will maybe last 7 years or so if you are lucky. Window units, cartridge units, whole house heat pumps, nothing is made to be as inefficient and long lasting as the ancient stuff. Mine lasted 20 to 25 years and the new equipment is junk and dies an early death. Even the installers and dealers will tell you that up front.
Of course when I was a kid we didn't have AC. We didn't get our first AC unit until I was in 9th grade. The house my parents built the next year - 1965 - had central AC.
@@recipientsaward4489 That's the point! The crap always breaks down because it's generally installed by total idiots who have no idea how any of it actually works! They don't want to take the time to select the right equipment for the home, they want to sell and install the on their dealer is trying to offload. They want to charge stupid money for tests you only need because they themselves did such a poor install (leak tests, top ups, etc)
@@recipientsaward4489 If you guys don't start bringing homeowners reasonable prices, They're just gonna do it on their own, simple is that.
Everybody thinks hvac guys are the only ones with a brain
Even senior citizens are gonna learn to fix it themselves.
You guys are through the roof with everything these days, Automotive, h vac, Plumbing, We just learned to do it ourselves that's all.
Clint Eastwood had a quote from back in the 1970s......
Don't be part of the system
" You buy a house you buy that house in cash" Erase your family ethically and reasonably, Man was born with hands to fix anything and everything himself for his family.
Problem is today the younger generation will just throw the credit card out there
My 3 and 4 ton units are 19 years old and use R-22. I was paying about $700 each Spring to replace the refrigerant that leaked out. I bought some Yellow Jacket gauges, two packets of Easy Seal, and injected them right in. I also bought a leak detector and verified before and after that many of the leaks in the evaporator coil were gone. However, the BEST solution I found was to pump down my units during the winter and release the R-22 back into the system as soon as it’s hot enough to turn the ac back on. I didn’t lose ANY refrigerant during the winter. Does anyone else pump their units down during the winter?
Never would have even though of that, be sure to tag the system that was done, or you might forget, and no body else would realize that was done!
@@pablopicaro7649 It’s just my own home units, so I won’t forget!
No we don't, if you are a homeowner you don't want to invest $600 into a recovery machine and a tank. Also, if you system can't hold R22, then it will full of moisture the spring comes and you have to evacuate. If it is a small leak and you lose 3/4 lbs of R22 during winter - it is what it is, just get some R22 at $40/lb. Frankly speaking, I'm puzzled by your post. If you know how to pump out/evacuate, then you shouldn't be paying $700 an every spring. And if you don't, and pay for evacuation, then it will cost you more than R22
@@AK-oz4ew I’m equally puzzled by your post. Before I learned how to pump down the units (not evacuating) so the refrigerant is locked in the condensers, I was losing R-22 every winter and needed about 7 pounds in the Spring to charge it adequately. The company I used charged $100/pound. If there’s leaks in the coil and refrigerant leaks out during the winter, why let it leak out when you can store it in the condensers?
@@gelguitarist Are you telling us that you hire a pro to pump down your system in October then the pro comes back and charges it up in May? And if you don't do that then in May you will lose 7 lbs of R22, which the total charge for many 4 tons units? And you are asking us why we don't do that if we have a leak? I will tell you why. Pro will charge $350 minimum where I live to pump down your system to store your R22, and 99% of the time will take it with him. Then will charge $400 minimum to evacuate moisture in May, put your own R22 back and verify the charge (if he didn't retire). And if you lose your whole charge during winter than I guarantee you that you will lose it during summer when it runs at full pressure 220+ PSI vs 80 PSI winter. So why don't we pay someone to store our R22 during winter for $750 then have them to come back and add R22 in July? Hmm... because it makes no sense...
Thank you for what you do!
My question is can you reuse your good existing 35 year old copper coolant lines to the compressor, if so, can it be done using R410A or R32?
I just got a 3 ton Bosch installed a few days ago with the air handler in the basement. Replaced my old broken unit. $6k
I used R290 for 15yr. Never had any issue with the refrigerant. Finally lightning took out the compressor capacitor and I had the old system replaced with heat pump.
Why didn't you replace $10 compressor capacitor?
a HVAC company wanted $10,000 for a new central AC. I spent $1200 total on 3 portable AC's and LOVE THEM!. Im done with HVAC companies!.
Whew portables are incredibly inefficient. Reason being the condenser air is sourced from the interior. Putting negative pressure on the room, pulling more heat in.
Yes but look how many years it takes to justify paying hvac dealers not to mention breakdowns by the time you reac h the breakeven point
@@capps2015not exactly. I have 3 new window 12,000 Midea U units. They are phenomenal! Extremely efficient and Ice cold! WiFi enabled. Also I compared this years electric to last years….Ive absolutely used less electric about 2kw less…. So def not always true.
I agree with you. It is not the techs…5”follow the money”. It is the greedy corporate lobbyists promoting this crap. They want the average citizen to think it is government, but corporate greed is the government. They all are in bed together.
They think people will keep paying, lol I’m with you done with them!
I just wanted to say, you are one FINE man! So refreshing to find an HVAC expert that tells it like it is! I have watched all your videos..yes all! I can't thank you enough for teaching us how to; learn how systems work but showing us how to fix common simple issues before being scammed !! Yes, I ordered my spare capacitor this week! Thank you sir and keep teaching us!
JR in South Carolina
I was quoted $25000 to convert from oil heat to a heat pump two years ago....love my oil furnace!
That is ridiculous
@@markme4IKR. I paid $26.00. Woo-hoo!
I was quoted $30,000. I told him I might as well just buy a different house.
You should have gotten other quotes. That is 3 to 5 times what it should be.
Thing is heat pumps don't work everywhere ! know alot of unhappy people !!!
I've bought 2 new systems. One for my current hurricane remodel, and I have another for backup/ if I decide to build another house. Also picked up 2 tanks of 410a. I do auto restorations so already had gauges and all I did was pickup a bigger vac pump. I saved almost 5k with buying 2 systems with handlers and the refrigerant vs the lowest quote I received in Florida. Absolutely bonkers.
More sensors just means more parts to fail. Reminds me of cars
But, but, but ... the _planet!_ 🤣🤣🤣
EXACTLY! I just got out of the auto industry, thanks to the infuriating engineering, expensive service info / tools / scan tool updates, rust, endless supply chain issues, bad NEW parts right out of the box that'll have you chasing your tail, etc..
@@LV4EVR in reality, nobody actually cares about our planet, its all about money
and those new sensors and wiring are made in third world countries. They're almost guaranteed to fail.
@@SmittySmithsonite yep !
I remember when R22 expired and I had to spend $600 to recharge my home system. I found a flammable fridgerent replacement, R22a, and it worked great for the rest of it's life; had a pesky micro leak. Question: I am a fan of the mini-splits. I installed a Mr. Cool which runs on 410a and will be installing another soon. I pre-purchased a bottle of 410a for future incase I need to recharge. If I had to purchase another mini-split would you go with the R32 system or stick with 410a and get another bottle?
Thank you for your honesty and exposure of the overpriced HVAC industry!
Overpriced, have you been to a dentist lately?
@@Bryan-Hensley when someone charges $500+ to change a capacitor, that is ROBBERY!! NO EXCUSES for those RIP-OFF prices!!!
Yeah, just do it yourself. It’s easy.
@@BigBuckGetter And we'll be by to unfuck it when they screw it up.🎉
Bidenomics,everything is more expensive in the US just wait ,four more years of this crap.
What about the line set? Is it bigger or smaller than previous, or the same sizes? I've got line sets installed in the walls of my house for my mini splits (I wouldn't do it again, but it's there now) and I'd like to not have to run new line sets later when I have to replace.
Thanks for the heads up.... Now to find some R410A to put in my storage for when I need it. I have 3 Mini Splits running on R410A
Abilityrefrigerants.com
@@diyhvacguy Thanks for the reply and Link... Unfortunately they don't ship to Canada
40 year hvac contractor. I believe it would be very difficult to find someone to install your equipment in my state. And you would have no warranty - I hope whomever you hire is good and honest, as they will blame your equipment for everything [even their mistakes].
Question- if the new refrigerant is flammable that would imply it is hydrocarbon based, if so how will the greenie meanies react to that? Or is this change pressure because of more climate idiocy? Loved your advice BTW!
What is wrong with R290 (Propane) in the first place? The greenhouse potential is low, so what is the issue?
@@lowstaar I couldn''t agree with you more, olefins must be cheaper to produce and I like propane, butene and others. But why change the existing technology world wide? What happens to the old equipment and refrigerant. There's more to this story!
*Greenwashing effectively again used as cover for expired chemical patents and corporate profit. This began with DuPont lobbying for R-12 ban. The "Ozone Hole" bull$hit originated from research papers sponsored/financed by DuPont directly through grants to universities and through cut-outs to favoured academics. Works every time.*
Seriously. An hvac company wanted to charge me 800 to replace a condensate pan. I gave them a 1 star review on google.
Yea that is the Way it should be
I replaced the evaporator on My 11 F150. Removing the dash I believe is harder than any residential install, especially one man doing it.. Has to be vacuumed and charged with a manifold.
We just need to form tribes with a couple hvac specialists a dentist a doctor a few gardeners and carpenters and teachers etc. No income No expense No taxes .... we just drink and dance the polka on Saturday night.... oh I guess we need a brewer and DJ as well
Just Had a 32 year old Lennox that was noisy but still running replaced this week partially for this reason and that I did a megommeter test and compressor was just below bad.
The changing out of refrigerants is all POLITICS
Absolutely, there was nothing wrong with R 22
@@markme4 I bought a pallet of R22 two decades ago and still serve my loyal, long time customers with R22 at a reasonable price. Probably should buy a pallet of 410a soon
Thank the Executive Branch and the Terrorist Organization called the EPA.
Really the root is greedy corporations.
Absolutely!!!! That’s how they play the stock market!!! So I guarantee the politicians all have their money invested in the new companies that are making the new equipment and refrigerant!!!
DIY...
1 So if you get a new R32 or R454b won't you have to get a new furnace(sensors/lineset/A-Coil) as well? So that "30%" is even much more expensive. No/Yes?
I don't use central air any more. It was averaging $1000 per year to keep going. The new window heat pumps keep my house cool and only cost about $80 per year. They also have lower electrical consumption *and* can easily run them off a small generator during disasters. Plus the new units are quiet.
What's the brand of heat pump where do you get it
@@tedbell4416 I'm using a media 8000 w split unit. It cost about $350. which is a lot more expensive than the classic window units that cost $160.
But it's so much quieter than they were and I I didn't have to run other air conditioners until the temperature got to a low 83 at night and 101 during the day. At that point I did have to turn on an additional unit in the back bedroom. It draws 437 Watts when the compressor is running but so far it's only on 70% thermostat. The house is 74° right now.
However I just checked and they're out of stock everywhere right now. Might be hard to find one until fall.
First video that made me feel good about my purchase of an R410 system this year.
Thank you 😊
I think we are doing people a pretty big disservice by failing to mention several things in these videos.
1. R32 is more efficient than R410a, meaning, the newer units will be more efficient than the existing R410a's. I have seen numbers of around 10% floated around.
2. R32 is considered BARELY flammable, so it is only noted as flammable as an extreme caution. In reality, it is nearly impossible to light it on fire. R410a is a 50% blend of R32 and R125, so, R32 alone is just barely more flammable than R410a, as in it is theoretically flammable, but just barely.
3. As of January 2025, manufacturers can't manufacture or sell any NEW R410a equipment, but they can sell all their existing inventory, and anything already out there can still be sold, supported and used. It is a manufacturing restriction only. So, lets not pretend for a second that R410a will not be available after January 1st. It will be available until existing inventory is depleted.
This is clearly shown here: "Self-contained HVAC systems using R-410A will no longer be manufactured or imported after January 1st, 2025, but there is a three-year sell-through period."
That is interesting, I was under the impression that you couldn’t install an R410 unit After Jan. 1, 2025. I understand they will be given 3 years to sell what’s already in their inventory but that they won’t be manufacturing or importing? My understanding was that by Jan. 1, 2025 the existing inventory had to be modified to run the new refrigerant because they would not be able to run R410
So, if you need a new a/c, replace it now, and you'll have a system that you won't be able to buy refrigerant for at some point in the future? What's the phase out schedule for the current refrigerant?
Watch the video.. he explains the questions you are asking. 😂
I am still running r22 no problems plenty of r22 and 410a for many more years.
Yes 410a will be around for a long long time to come
Brazing copper lines with flammable refrigerant sounds like a good time...
Good point! However, the lines are purged with low flow nitrogen during braze while the refrigerant remains captured in the outdoor unit. When braze is complete, those lines are put into vacuum before releasing the refrigerant.
R22 was discontinued in Wisconsin about 1999. We could not buy or install R-12 after 1995 unless the refrigerant was owned by the refrigerant was owned my the owner being repaired. So I would buy the refrigerator for a dollar I saw it back after it was serviced after it was serviced😅
Mr. Carroll that is very hard to read.
Disabled Vets & Seniors in SW FL., for $99.00 I will clean your outside condenser unit and test all the components. This includes the hermetic windings in your compressor to determine their condition.
Commercial units have already been discontinued called around looking for some today. Every single company I called said their manufacturers in the middle of a retooling process.
My HVAC in Florida near the ocean was 8 years old. It was already leaking refrigerant at the outside unit. But we couldn't get it replaced or repaired because the EPA had outlawed repair on a unit with that particular refrigerant. So at great expense it had to be replaced with a newer one with a new refrigerant that was not compatible with our inside unit as well. So full system replacement. It was 4 years old and hurricane Ian picked up the outside unit, flipped it upside down, dented it, and completely submerged it in seawater.
Frankly I was betting it would still work but no HVAC guy would take me up on it. I bet a new fan motor and it would have been fine. But the fan motor was ECM so it was at end of life at 2 years anyway. I hate those ECM motors. My original AC was 1965 and had been working just fine, salt air and all, until I wanted the outside unit moved in 2010 and got talked into replacing it. Bad decision.
I went on E Bay and bought a Goodman A/C heat pump cheap on E Bay it works great n saves me money !!!!!!
Filing a reputable hvac contractors here is impossible. They are all do subpar work for ridiculous prices. As a disable retired veteran I am at the mercy of these thieves.
There are always good old reliable window units
I'm fixing to close my business just because of attitudes like yours. I live pretty poor to get called a thief. It's the Democrats and their saving the planet is what's causing everything to be so expensive and I'm not taking the blame for those Nazis.
@@markme4 Agreed, especially the Midea units that are very efficient and look great. For the price of a new central unit (Here in FL) you can install a mini split or window unit in every room and still save money. But yeah window units are awesome.
I've done well for 25 years serving my customers repairs only, I do not promote buying new systems and tell folks to get three bids if they're wanting a new system
Our military veterans are the most important people in our country and just the thought of someone treating them poorly makes my heart break. If I owned an HVAC company I would install and repair all retired veteran's home items at cost. It would be nice if you stated your town so maybe a big HVAC company in your area could help you. I know here where I live there are a few HVAC military oriented owned companies and they do work with veteran's and provide them top service...however, I know that is offered in only a very few areas and many veteran's don't get the treatment they deserve. God Bless you and thank you so much for your sacrifices and for your service!
I have a Nest Learning thermostat and it works good with my old unit. Should I switch to an Ecobee or am I good to go.
they should have never got rid of R22! best refrigerant ever. never caused that many problems.
They don't care about efficiency. They _like_ suffering; gives them validation for "saving the planet." (meanwhile we fill the city dumps with tons of old equipment)
Except for having a global warming potential almost 2000 times higher than co2.
I thought r12 was dandy . Lower pressures .
@@Jafiveon _Except for having a global warming potential almost 2000 times higher than co2._
I didn't know CO2 was a refrigerant.
Problem with R22 is it messed up the ozone layer. Whole reason EPA started... However this is only an issue if you spray this stuff into the atmosphere at large amounts.
This is also not an issue for 410a. There is no reason to force a change of refrigerant. At least not an environmental or health one. The ozone is no longer an issue.
So the real question is why we forcing a change?
One would guess EPA wants to keep collecting taxes but there maybe a deeper reason. Maybe they dont want us having affordable house AC?
DIY, have you covered what A-coils are ok/good/best. It used to be a matched set: IE Trane A-C with a Trane A-coil. Rheem A/C with Rheem coil and so on. Also Copper vs Al A-coils???
Reason.. I am going to take you advice and replace my R22 system in the fall and to replace Compressor-Line Set-A Coil and might consider replacing furnace. Thx for all your advice!
Sounds like the fate of R12. Then R134a was bad also. Now they have another refrigerant.
So true, got quoted $25k for a 3 zone mini split system, i got a diy system for under $6k and even tho it took me 3 weeks to install it and triple check all my work, i got it done.
Mini-splits are the one place in the United States that HVACs have their pricing all wrong and I think it is mostly because here they are 'new' and they feel like if it is a whole house system they should charge like they would a central air multi-zone multi-speed.
So... if they make it really expensive, people will start moving out of FL. Seriously, the only reason that state has occupants is b/c of AC. Take that away, and it reverts back to the off-limits hot humid swampy location it always was... b/f AC. 7 months of the year it's just torture living here.
Moving out of florida toup north best decision I ever made. And I think it is more like 11.5 months……..
@@MrBo-sg6hu I'm making my plans. I've had enough.
You are right. We didn't have any AC until 1970, it was brutal. The sad thing is AC systems only last 12 -14 years unless you're lucky. I have seen some last 20 years.
Most southern states share similar conditions!
@@bobboscarato1313
.This is about freon required in 2025, not sure what you mean,
Would it be advisable to purchase a 410 system from a company like HVACdirect and store it until it is needed? As in my case I have a 20 year old package unit and although it runs great I am sure that in the next year or so it will probably bite the dust.
More things to break and more service repairs
Exactly
Par for the 21st-century course! Just like automobiles. I recently got out of the industry! It's becoming an absolute nightmare to service modern junk. I'm done with it!
Funny story, back in the day long ago, my dad installed the central air in our house. Like most DIY'ers he didn't have all the answers and this was before the internet, so limited available resources to resolve questions. He did this without checking for a permit and so as to not raise eyebrows went to the next suburb over to ask the public works people there questions about code.
🤣
wish I knew this a year ago. My vacation home needs a new central air unit as it is 22 years old. I won't be there until November 2024 at the soonest. I have installed my own mini split would go for DIY install, but would rather hire someone. I do not want to be paying 5 figures just for AC.
I recommend, that if you have old HVAC equipment that you repair it and never replace it! All new HVAC equipment is garbage!!!!
@@jonclark9920
True but this applies to everything. We have the illusion of choice. All products are made to fail. The same companies that complain about the environment make products not repairable and make you have to buy new. Bunch of garbage.
A new unit is rated for around 10-15years for the main parts.
Old units built to last for easily double that. 15 years on an old unit would of been horrible in my time.
The new units coming out today (flammable ones. which is unneeded. We do not need to force a change in refrigerant) have so many unneeded senors and parts that will fail probably in a few years. These new units have much thinner fins around the coils that will 100% break down faster. They will need maintenance much more on these units.
All the unnecessary electronic switches and senors will be costly and break down often.
Its like reinventing the wheel. Why?
"Here is that new wheel.. Costs 3 times as much and breaks down 5 times faster. Here ya go"
@jonclark9920 I recently serviced two 30 year old r22 sanyo minisplit systems. They were both working great and a little overcharged. Not a fan of the newer fujitsu or mitsubishi minisplits; always something wrong with them
I have a 34 yr old Fraser-Johnston furnace without central a/c. It works but needs to be replaced. We've been using two 8K BTU LG window units that use R32 for years now. They work fantastic, but I hate lugging them into the windows every Spring. I really want Central Air, but cannot afford it. By the sounds of it in the comments, Central Air is also expensive to run. I thought about mini-splits but I don't really want a box hanging on the wall. Not sure what to do...
This has nothing to do with saving the environment and everything sticking it to the middle class. I agree with you 100%, stock up on R410A and maybe a new AC unit stored in the garage.
Imagine what it's like for the lower class
Not going to help us old people on Social Security that are just getting along !!
YEA
can the same copper be used when replacing the units (410 to new crap)? ive heard some AC guys say yes, most no.
So the EPA is so worried about greenhouse gases, but are ok with putting flammable gases in your home. You can't make this stuff up. 😂
Just like the electric cars that once they catch fire you can't put them out.
These are not deep thinkers.
You have natural gas in your home. That doesn't seem to bother you.
@@gregrobsn no I don't. try again without assumptions next time.
@@gregrobsn _You have natural gas in your home._
Well, we have it for now, until the D people take it away from us.
@@gregrobsn People aren't running gas/propane through a compressor and coils in their home though. How often do gas/propane systems leak in homes? How often do home HVAC systems leak? If HVAC systems didn't leak as often as they do, there would be no reason to change to a more "green" refrigerant.
I notice that you recommend HVACDirect quite a bit, would you consider taking an ACIQ brand compressor and evaporator and evaluating what the components look like? I've read that they are under the carrier brand, somewhere down the chain a bit, but rumors are just that. I would love to see a comparison of some of these lesser known and available for the general public to own. Thanks, Chris
Another thing to note. R454b will eventually be banned too. It is one of the PFAS banned refrigerants that contain forever chemicals. R32 is not on the list. Funny how most US manufacturers are choosing 454b as the new standard. Its all about profit margins. I think only the Daiken companies have chosen to use R32 in the US.
R32 is used all over the world already and not just by daikin
I have a Trane XE1000 Central AC unit that works fine, but the manufacture date is 04/1994. I am in the process of putting a Micro-Air soft start on it so I could run it off of solar. Should I replace this unit now since things are going to get expensive even though it is running fine?
I did my first system about 8 years ago and installed a 3 ton system for my upstairs. I didn't know what I was doing and it took me 3 days, but I got it done, and the licensed guy I hired to inspect it said I did a better job than most pros. I saved probably $3000 minimum for 3 days work and it's still running as we speak!
My first house was small and old. Code was very chill so long as it was looked at once complete.
A roofer gave me a $4000 quote! Did it myself with a friend for 1/4 the price in a day and a half. I learned a lot and it looked great. I knew it was done right and no scam foolery. 12 years later and it still has never leaked. My gutters are still straight and even.
The electrical was going to be another $4000. Hahaha, I knew from the roof job that effort and hard work are GREATLY repaid. It took me two 14 hour days and it was brutal in the attic and crawl space. Still, the panel, breakers, wire and everything else was just over $400. That was 1/10th the quote for rewiring.
I simply watched several (many) videos on the topic. Pros actually make videos showing your how to do their job. I figure they must want someone to follow this advice. I made time and prepared my mind for what was to come. Do your homework, suffer accordingly and SAVE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!!!!!
Don't get me started on how easy some car work is once you get a few tools. I'm 41 now and hate calling anyone as everything I have tried comes out perfect, on time and for much less cost.
DIY....things are ALREADY expensive in the A/C biz. So things will go back to pre 1970 when only rich folks had A/C.
It was not 90F+ non-stop starting June 1st back then...
or buy several window units at Costco or Sam's and put it on 3 credit cards - that'll work until the HOA says it won't ;-)
@@Scotty_in_Ohio What is a HOA? THAT is worse than the AC issue.
the Question is i have r410 A an i better off doing 1 Compressor and 2 coils i mean replacing them or going with Flammable Refrigerants, i have gas package unit and can take it to a shop its been a good unit
Fantastic. The powers that be want AC to be so expensive that we go back to the 1950s where houses didn't have AC. My family has bad seasonal allergies so opening windows is not an option.
True, but what they really want is far more nefarious. Remember the Georgia Guidestones? That wasn't just one twisted guy's wish...
Where I am it's life or death, you must have good AC.
Could you do a video on the tools you would need to have to perform an install of an A/C unit, condenser and coil. Due to the fit of the coil and furnace is it recommended to replace both at the same time?
Thanks for your content, it is most appreciated!
I doubt things are going to change much. R-32 has been used in Europe and other places for a long time. And they said the same thing when R-410a replaced R-22 and it didn't happen then. But there is a need to sell though R-410a equipment before you can't install it.
The US is ran by Insurance companies and lawyers. A house will burn. Insurance premiums will rise.
It doesn’t make sense to force everyone to use a flammable refrigerant because it is slightly better for the environment. It isn’t better when houses are burning down. I’m so glad I just replaced my A/C myself because of your videos. I went with a Mr. Cool 3 ton split system. I found the most time consuming part of the install was making transitions to adapt my ductwork, which is made from duct board, to the openings on the new air handler. I went with the Mr Cool system because of the pre-charged no vac lines. So far I’m happy with it, except I don’t like the way the lines look because they connect at the front of the condenser instead of the back.
It has the same flammability as olive oil.
A king valve replacement cost me over 2k a $35 part. R410A system. Said they didn't know which part of the blended R410A leaked out and they needed to replace it all and would not reuse the stuff they took out. $1000 just for R410A. I wasn't given credit for the used R410A where does it go? Going back to blocks of ice and a fan if it goes out again.
Damn dude , I bought a brand new jug 25 lb of 410 for 240 . I used only 4.5 lbs . I got 20 lbs left over for a rainy day . Need to get that EPA certification.
"Need to get that EPA certificate"...........
Yea your supposed to replace the whole charge if you have a leak and it's r410a. Seen it done on a 24 ton vrf at my company's expense. And yea the part is the cheapest part of the job. Your blower motor costs much more but would also be much less work. People spend 1000s of dollars on valves For VRF systems so they don't need to replace the entire charge and spend a lot of time recovering/evacuating and then charging a system.
That’s outrageous. I’ve been an hvac contractor for 35 yrs. I charge 650 for that job
@@rbrucejr1957I doubt it. It’s going for 335 unless you got it on Craigslist
In Washington’s dc area a 5,000 unit contractor price gives you overall charge 3c ie 15000
Scariest words in the English language. We are from the government and we are here to help you.
Bidenomics 🙄
@@pathunter7003 As much as I would like to blame Bidenomics, I think that it is even worse. Regulation by the unelected bureaucrat regulation class.
@@rogerhodges7656 how about the inflation reduction act? Another brainstorming idea/failure from Brandon . And he was supposedly elected
re: the sensor-shutdown capability, does this mean that a current system, instead of continuing to operate if there's a small leak, albeit at a reduced leve, a new system will shut down, period?
Good question. We will have to wait and see. I don’t know the answer to be quite honest but I’d say yes it will shut down if it detects any. What the level at which it detects is unknown.
Best,
Dave
here is how I see it, I don't want to add anything else flammable to my house, if anything I would like to reduce the possibility of fire, next is added safety features. I am in the automatic gate service industry, and every time someone doesn't use common sense and gets hurt playing around, or trying to beat a gate that is closing like playing chicken with a train, or flooring it when a light turns red, the government feels they need to add safety devices, this does nothing but create more service calls and creates an easier way for people to mess with the gates to keep them open. I don't want my AC shutting down because of some over sensitive safety feature. IDK, just my opinion. I have plans to replace my old 2004 unit and handler at the end of this summer so hopefully with help from your videos I can get a system done right to last me another 20 years. thanks for the update !!
Can you just click that you have certificate to order the refrigerants or is there a certificate # that has to be validated?
Just check a box is all!
Why isn't anybody talking about defunding the EPA?!
Yea
LOL how many Evap Coils I have changed because capillary tubes rubbed against each other and made a tiny leak. What if the sensor fails? I see a LOT of Evap Coil replacements coming.
I punched a split Mr. Cool is due in major part to the cost to purchase and having it installed a new mini split system. After contacting several contractors to purchase with installation of a mini split system and getting prices that were totally outrageous, one estimate coming in at over
$ 6700. My mind was made up. It was a no brainer. I purchase as Mr. Cool system. Installation was a bit more due in part to the fact I have brick on the outside of my home, but after some work, I was able to get the hole needed for the piping thru the wall. Installation wasn't as bad as I was originally thinking. Yes, it takes time, but I was able to complete the job in about a day and a half. The key is to take your time to prevent problems from occurring. The online videos are a big help in case someone has a question about something. I have done 2 others for friends and not one issue in any case. Working great at more than 60% savings...
My house is cinder block stucco. I ran the lineset through the soffit and across the attic to where I needed it. No hole in the house needed. The soffit is thin aluminum and easily replaced if I decide that Mini splits aren't what I want to do anymore. But $1899. for a 24,000btu Hybrid unit is a bargain. It runs on solar. It has a built in MPPT charge controller so all you have to do is plug in a few panels and you have free AC. Signature Solar sells them under the EG4 brand. They also have a 12,000btu hybrid for $1299. They also sell them with solar panels. But I buy used panels from Santan solar for cheap.
does your state require a license? I know you can install a unit in your own home.
@bobboscarato1313 : Texas does require licensing of HVAC people. However, most if not all are licensed plumbers, so they fall under the same umbrella. Depending on the city in Texas, some cities require other licensing for HVAC, which is an environmental license for handling of refrigerants.
are the mini splits affected too?
Thank Biden's EPA for this effort. I was given an estimate last year of +$17,000 to replace my unit with the new regulations. Add 30% to that for these newer systems and you go +$22,000.
Just stop.
You might want to lookup who was president in 2020 when this rule was put in place. 🤣
@@josegaspar813 It was enacted in 2021. Try again.
@@josegaspar813 It was Biden's EPA that put into place the higher restrictions in late 2021, based upon a bill passed in 2020. They are doing the same thing with natural gas-based appliances.
@@gplus1000 Stop what, telling the inconvenient truth.
I have been hearing that the new refrigerant does not get as cold as 401-10a True or false?
My unit is 17 years old and had to fix one leak already so time to get another before the change.
Is the new refrigerant more efficient or just supposedly more friendly to the environment?
Good comment… I was thinking the same thing.
More corporate profit friendly it is all about the money. Keep you buying and your wallet empty.
I read it is less efficient and puts more strain on the equipment, operating at higher pressures.
R-32 has lower global warming potential but is more flammable. R-410A is a mix of R-32 and R-125. R-125 is worse for the environment but reduces flammability.
R32 is slightly more efficient overall than R410A.
I have an R32 Minisplit and it runs just fine on 410A
It’s gonna get expensive I can’t wait to buy all these new hose fittings ext…..”slightly flammable “
As I understand this , one concern is manufactures of package units will not have already built units for customer demand . Another issue units built in Mexico . Are manufactures adhering to the industry upgrades ?
The government is here to HELP you …. absolutely ridiculous🤬. Propane. My camper has a propane refrigerator, it is 💩
spot on
I work on the new coolers with natural refrigerant and they are garbage.
Or ammonia, yikes ! I opened a door to one that I didn't realize was leaking . Damn !!!!