Church Boiler Fix: Pro Tips For Heavenly Heat!
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2024
- This is the second part of this problem. See video 1 here: • Boiler Service Nightma...
Safety Problems at the Church. A cold church for Christmas. Unfortunately I had to turn the boilers off in a church over Christmas. In the first part you see my frustrations as I'm sent to service the boilers and one of them does not work. The type of flue system requires me to test it with both boilers working.
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It's extremely rare to get the opportunity to see vids on these boilers. Keep up the good work
Thanks.:-)
I feel your pain, Ive worked on hundreds of these and never had that but I had ONE where the burner pressure was so low it wouldnt heat a warehouse, spent hours on in only to find the injectors part blocked by condense running over them from the low NOX duct, caused by being constantly cooled by the freezing warehouse where the boiler was located, never seen it since, you live and learn.
Wow, I bet the burner pressure was ok but the gas rate would have been off. Things like that are a nightmare :-)
Great video, we have all been there, keeping your cool is key to success
Yeah, can be hard though. ;-)
there is always one job that leads you up the garden path , but you got there great content keep it coming
I will the next one is 3 or 4 jobs in one.. If I can get it edited in time....
Well done Ollie it was good to see you used your cool approach to solve the problem. Never let it beat you.❤
I was frustrated with Ideal tbh. But got it done in the end.
Respect for showing this vid. Keep the vids coming fella....
I will.Thanks :-)
Great video mate! Real world fault finding, the good and the bad! keeping it real! Look forward to the next one!! 👍
Thanks 👍I appreciate people taking the time to comment. Thanks :-)
great video of what we really go through some times, and im glad its not just me who can get carried away and sometimes over think and miss the obvious things 👍
we all do it. :-)
Good on you for not giving up on it! Great video, was so happy when I saw those flames! 😊 Another nice vid!
SO was I. Proper painful one.
Great video Ollie your still brilliant in my book very interesting video👍
Glad you enjoyed it! I will try and post every week :-)
Even though you missed the bleeding obvious (I personally have never done that, ever! Honest guv 🤣), it makes that sweet smell of success even sweeter!
I even felt it myself 👍🏻
Yes it does. ;-)
Well done you fixed it great content iv been there so many times, as a new engineer on my own you've been very helpful
Glad to help. Thanks for commenting I appreciate it. On your own is difficult, but it makes you learn quickly.
Well done for sticking with it.
It's nearly always simpler than you think it is!
Regarding the shorting problem we always used to sleeve the leads.
Some boilers already have sleeving on the leads.
I know. I did have some Worcester silicone sleeving but I couldn't find it. How crap is the insulation though?
I absolutely love your work ethic and your honesty and your videos are brilliant. What a frustrating experience for you though, especially as you were actually right on the problem earlier when you said at one point in the video something along the lines of ‘Maybe when the main gas valve opens its dropping the pilot pressure’ and then when you were advised to swap the gas valves you discovered all the debris in the main line. Hindsight is a great diagnostic tool.😉 Well done and thank you for sharing your experience.😀👍
No problem. It did frustrate me tbh. I was trying to just get it done and not taking a minute to think. When I used to smoke the fag break would usually enlighten me. (and kill me a bit)
Another great video. To be honest watching your thought process is the best thing about these videos. We all miss the obvious sometimes. But if you had gone straight to the pilot tube I wouldn't have learnt as much as I did from this. Thank you
Thats why I leave it all in. Someone setting up a fault to fix is BS and does happen. I just film what I do and try to be as honest as I can about stuff.
Well done for sticking with it . We have all been there mind blowing sometimes
Yeah, and Ideal were no help at all!!
Some 16 year old reading from a hymn sheet @@HeatingGeek
I was going to name and shame but thought better of it. :-)
Best Gas vids on RUclips
No nonsense just Honest learnt loads of the channel telling others to tune in
Thanks, I appreciate it. I have some good ones coming. Not related to Charlie are you? ;-)
Lol No I wish thou normally I get are you the sports commentator 😂😂😂
@@nickmullins1569 Your a secret minter. :-) Couple of rollers in the garage. And a sports commentator. You got it all.
Do you have any sponsors yet? Hopefully uni lite or someone contacts you cos i think youbwould like the uni lites.. i watched the podcast you did with the 2 lads on there channel (i forget what it was called) but enjoyed it and hopefully your back on again sometime.. keep up the good work oli, love the channel, 100% one of the best on youtube by far!.
No sponsors :-) Maybe one day!! Until then I can say how crap stuff is and give honest opinion. :-)
Great job!
Thank you! Cheers!
We’ve all been there …lol. 10/10 for telling it as it is ..lol 🙏. Love the vids
Thanks 👍 Just real life isn't it...
When you asked what it could be at the start I paused it and had a think, I said to myself that main burner could be starving the pilot when it opens up then obviously rectification drops out and closes gas valve couldn’t quite think why I thought shale in the gas valve reminds us to always check the basics 😅
I was frustrated at the time. I never work well when I'm rushing. Also when I edited part 1 of this video it has a brilliant pilot. I can believe it didn't work with it. It must have been the main burner dropping out the pilot the whole time.
Well done. When you get the end of the job and realize you only had to do a quarter of the work, it's both satisfying and annoying in equal measure.
As for flue gas recirculation, the idea, I believe is to reduce to maximum flame temp to reduce NOx production, whereas adding more intake air would lead to reduced efficiency, and possibly higher CO due flame chilling before complete combustion. HTH
I think you are right. :-) Someone else agrees with us too. They posted a couple of days ago. I did waste a few hours chasing my tail. never mind. :-)
Great video & honesty mate 🤛 great boilers really 😉😂looking foward to the next video boss!
Glad you enjoyed. I will have one every week on Sunday at 8pm. Thanks for commenting it means a lot. :-)
@@HeatingGeek looking foward to it! No worries you’ve helped a lot on a few jobs early in my career 🤛👨🔧
Good thats what its all about
Love seeing you back posting vids mate you’re absolutely the best in the biz! Remember to call for any of your German burner needs 😉😁
Why does that ring a bell? Im slightly inebriated so my brain isn't really working too well.
@@HeatingGeek we spoke on insta mate 🤣
I have deleted insta so many times over the last few years. I do hate the way everyone is so brilliant and nothing ever goes wrong. I guess we were talking about the burner I gave away?
That no one wanted.
@@HeatingGeek yes your 100% right it all sunshine and rainbows on there but we all know in real life it’s nothing like it’s portrayed!
No mate I showed you my testing spider for pressures- I’m the one who works for weishaupt 😁
Well done... you got there in the end.
Yeah, took too long though :-)
@@HeatingGeek Don't beat yourself up about it, I fix kitchen appliances and some days i just miss the obvious as i am tired or been near the job to long and miss something out, as long as you got your process on how you fault find it all comes good in the end.
Yeah, I feel like this boiler just kicked my ass for a couple of days :-)
Brilliant video, your assumption on the products recirculation tubes is correct the purpose is to reduce Nox and Sox.
Nice one. I thought so. I guess your a commercial engineer?
@@HeatingGeek Electrical engineer by profession, commercial gas engineer by retraining, just about as much as any engineer can ever be retired by age.
@@marksenior1179 I have a video coming up in a couple of weeks that will need some input from someone whit your knowledge. Should be posted next week or the week after.
Right pain but you got there.
Good video
It's was a nightmare!! For something soo simple
Done well there 👏 annoying sometimes yes simple things we forget to check
yeah, it was a pain. Im annoyed that ideal said to replace the gas valve.... But everyone makes mistakes.
happens to the best of us!
Yeah, What a pain. It was a nightmare. :-)
Don't beat yourself up over this one we all miss the obvious from time to time but you got there in the end and that's all that matters👍
Yeah, it was an annoying one. I'm editing some interesting job at the moment.. I hop to have them up the week after next.:-)
Top engineer!
Thanks. :-)
The red back boots are a Aussie brand, remember having a pair when working over there.
Kept on thinking this seems like flame rectification. Amazing that had a pilot at any time?!
I remember one of my hardest fault finding,
System would not warm up seem like blocking in pipe work checking zone valves and pumps,
Tested boiler. Phoned manufacturer more testing, even had another engineer look over to see if I was missing anything.
After many hours I discovered that it had a new main board and whoever had fitted it they hadn’t married the temp knob correctly on to the pcb so even with the temperature turned to max wasn’t hardly turning temp up.
Right old head scratcher. But kiss.
Cheers Oly.
I have been there too. It's annoying me because I cant remember what boiler it was!!!!
Ariston microgenius mffi!!!!!! Someone fitted a new PCB and the knobs were not correctly fitted to it :-)
Had loads of these in havrigg prison. Changed so many burner bars on them I lost count.
Cracking? I have had it a few times before but these are ok. I guess the crap falling on it from above causes hot/cold spots and they crack. Maybe?
Nice vid. You are a legend and a true GAS man through and through. Learnt loads off you. So why not share some back.. The air recirculation on the boiler does not reduce the oxygen to reduce the flame temperature. There is still enough oxygen for it to not be a concern. It uses air recirculated into the combustion chamber to turn more CO into CO2. Remember incomplete combustion is the enemy: complete combustion is the aim.
Nox reburn
Clean injectors
Started my apprenticeship 37 yrs ago with these
Bullet proof until they started with electronics
Always sleeve the ignition and ionisation wires in fibre glass heat sleeving
NOx Is what I thought it was for. Reduce flame temperature and produce less NOx. But like I say, I am not sure. Thanks for commenting and I will look it up :-)
Amazing that Ideal don't though :-) So the introduction of POC is for NOx?
Great video👍🏻 That would be so frustrating. It's a good job I dont have the same technical prowess as you Ollie. I seem to breeze through life because I'm stupid in comparison 😂😂😂
I do enjoy difficult problems, but sometimes on reflection it wasn't..
Front tubes look like 'spillage tubes' to extinguish flame in event of flue spilling.
Brother, you didn't let the boiler beat ya, man, the satisfaction when it lights up, eh?
:-) you know it. :-)
The social community loves ya shit man , just do you man i have been looking to your approach to boilers, controls, wiring, and must say I'm 52 looking 30 and handsome as fuck
And learnt from you mate
So when you read the appreciation from subs take it has gospel we really like what you do
I now have a s-plan- y-plan board set up from your tutorials way back and still manage to get 1st time fix
So bless up breadbin I won't hoover ya backside again I wanted to say thanks
Thanks man. Yeah it's looking pretty clean back there now. :-)
Well done mate, I would have been stressing out with that one. Any advice for a domestic guy making the jump to commercial? I've been thinking about it for a while.
I would say you need to get your basic knowledge from someone who has been doing it a while. I took a job to get some experience under my belt. It worked out great and I would go back to the company in a hart beat if i needed to. Have you got it booked?
@@HeatingGeekYeah, totally agree. Nothing booked yet. I'm going to go to my ACS centre and buy the manuals and read the life out of them first.
Thats the perfect way to do it. :-)
Kiss. Love it. Can't blame you for missing it Ollie. How was that pilot even lighting in the first place.. 🤔
I have no idea. In the first video it lit well. I didnt realise until i was editing how good the pilot was on the first visit. I guess me tapping the pilot tube caused it to block more??
@@HeatingGeek seems very feasible.. you stuck at it tho. Sometimes you just have to double check the most obvious I guess
Exactly. Such a simple boiler to cause me such a headache. :-)
I’ve had the same issue with these boilers and it always ended up being a blockage in the pilot tube
It done my head in. ;-)
Hi Heat Geek, how do you go about charging when you end up going around the houses like this..? I am a fairly new Gas engineer (just in my second year) often the faults are not obvious and I feel bad charging for all my time if it was actually something simple. Just wondered what your thoughts were..?
I charge a pre agreed rate. 1 hour or 5 doesn't matter to the customer. Get some experience under your belt doing council or housing association work. People will help you and you will get to the point where you feel comfortable. :-)
@@HeatingGeek I’d love to but I’m self employed, how would I get onto council work..? I’m pretty rural also…
@@user-fk8dp8bd5w If you were a council tenant in your own area who would you call to fix your boiler. Look on the council website and it may (if they use another company) show who they are. Offer your services as a contractor. If you get in you get to work local and learn. Some people (like myself) don't like meeting customers at the Tesco checkout so I always worked 30min from my house. That way if you fall out with someone on a job you don't have to meet them at the supermarket. :-)
@@HeatingGeek Good thinking that mate, I am in a small village though and all my work is local. Thanks for the advise though, might look into subbying for a firm if they're doing council work. I think they'd expect me to work alone though wouldn't they..? I am getting there but experience is the only way forward. Thanks for your reply...
Gloves look decent what make are they?
Were they the black laytex ones? or grey ones? I can remember what I had on.
I feel for you but well done
Thanks. It was a frustrating one. What's your user name about?
Not sure how it works it's what RUclips gave me. I think it might be because my name was taken
@@user-tl6gq2vx5t Proper Weird. I thought you were a bot 🙂
You were right. Nox ducts.
Thanks, did you look it up?
@@HeatingGeek yes, Im not involved with commercial but I can't see the benefits of going to all that trouble as I'm not aware of any emission standards for small commercial boilers, maybe a way of cutting down on condensation within the flue run ????
@@HeatingGeek oops, wrong again ! Since 2018 there are nox emission standards....doh!
All boilers have NOx standards im sure?
I replied to your first comment then saw this one,. ;-)
Never did an efficiency test on these old Concord boilers. Daren't.
I'm sure they would be terrible
What area are you based and do you need commercial guys?
Hertfordshire and not at the moment. Were bringing up our own commercial guys.
did you charge for all those parts you didn't need?
Yes, And left them, on site. Was agreed by client. :-)
Copper gas pipes
Sulphidation
Been caught out also with this before
Yeah, only a little bit of copper though.
🤘😎🤘
Thanks Wayne
60k ohms is so high that it would barely pass any current and therefore have no force to open the valve. 500 sounds more plausible.
I know, but try telling Ideal that. :-)
Well done 👏🏻 what a twat of a job 😢
Yeah, it was a pain :-0 Done now though, thats all that matters.
Hope they are not to cross :)
:-)
Ollie, don’t beat yourself up mate. Your persistence & knowledge leads you to the fault.
Fantastic,insightful content & anyone can see why you’re one of Britain’s best Engineers.
We’ve all been there mate & most others, including me, would’ve replaced the Gas Valve & still not resolved the issue.
Perhaps you could go into a little more detail on that Live Test you touched upon? As with most of your videos; there’s always wee nuggets of gold tips, that are easily missed.
Thanks as always for sharing👍
Luv Dick Puller❤
I will do the live test on another video. Explain it better too.