JF-17 Thunder Vs Su-30 Mki Flanker-H DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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Day33: F35 Vs SU57
we need a Su-57+ Su-27 VS F-22 + F-16
F-15STOL/MTD VS NGAD
Hey, you listened to me! Thanks for a Jeff video!
Honestly I know it was probably coincidence but still thanks!!
Make an inverted turn and you got 8° of lead in the gun.
😜
“I think it’s going for flares” *dies instantly*
Famous last words
It went for the flares, there was just a jet in the way😅
Of course it didn't go for the flares, his burner was lit.
@@nightshadefern162 😂
must be one of those hope-seeking missiles, we've definitely seen them on this channel before
When you said you had to avoid the Flanker's nose, I didn't know it meant he could hit you with it.
😂 underrated.
Lmao😂
@Little Victory Fab Co Great movie 🍿 Spaceballs!!!
Yup, that nose us underrated 😂😂
😂😂
I like the JF-17's soothing voice that gently informs you that a missile has gone pitbull on you. Sorta like how a nurse calmly talks to you as they prepare the big syringe.
JF-17>>>>>
with ecm pod it gives you precise missile location so you know when you are about to die
its a shit plane, deal with it.@@Chogose
Growling: I think its going for flares
Missile: *No*
this missile definitely knew where it was and where it was supposed to be.
The entire fight is just the JF-17 holding up a sign that's the "I'm in danger." meme.
@@Deathbomb9 hell na
pilot matters the most
Su-30: Gets nose broken off. Brushes it off, full afterburner
Jf-17: Danger Danger
tis but a scratch
Su-30: Oh no, anyway.
Jf-17: Oh no I'm so delicate, I'm falling out of the sky
@@ishaan863 Achmed style, "It's a flesh wound"
Relaty : tea was fantastic
PAF zindabad ❤❤❤
@@salmanraza8413
Sattu is fantastic 😂😂😂
The Jeff has better communication skills than a lot of people I’ve talked to
“Hey bro I just took a 30mm to the ass you are in danger my friend”
How kind...
Jeff's got that ASMR voice i can listen to all day
"You never win a fight with a headbutt"
"Watch me" - flanker.
The Su-30 MKI is probably my favorite fighter jet
No. No not mine
@@amirhameed9485 Yeah, but you're not me !
I like it too for its maneuverability
@@amirhameed9485Nobody cares about your opinion! Most of the people love Su-30 MKIs!
It's gonna get more advanced soon...
The JF-17 looks like an F16 and an F18 had a kid.
😅
Kind of manages to have a bit of the Mig21 as well. The main fuselage with that thick spine certainly hints at the idea that the underlying base it took form off of was the J7 / F7.
"It's called trouble, and we're in it.". Never get's old 😆
i cant be the only one who looks at a JF-17 and thinks its some sort of unholy mix of a Super Hornet and F-16
Me too 😂
😂😂 truly it is.
it's merge of f16 and mig21
JF17 is actually a MiG21 redesign with Lockheed's input.
US was seeking to provide China with a competitor against USSR.
when USSR collapse, the project was pointless, so China sold off the project to Pakistan.
14:25 Apparently the JF-17 canopy is stronger than the Su-30 nose cone 😂
I can see that. Nose cones are typically just REALLY THIN sheet metal that protects the radar dish from wind force.
@@TheReaperHunter isn't it mostly composites?
@@rickdubbink yes
Hey kid, don't be idiot, the nose cone of the aircraft is a thin metal sheet that makes the aircraft more aerodynamic to cut the air speed, also makes the aircraft more speed and vulnerable, even that it also protect the aircraft radar which is important, while the aircraft canopy is a protective glass which is made up of bullet or blast proof glass that can withstand the ammunitions rounds upto 9mm to 12.7mm, not more than that, while the 20mm to 30mm, can break or rip the canopy apart easily and definitely kill the pilot. Have a nice day. Also, the SU 30 wins the last round. The JF 17 cannot fly when it crashes towards the SU30 nose cone, and still, the SU30 is flying properly, but not little perfectly.
@@Max_Da_G I figured it was thin enough for the radar to punch through. I'm learning now it's some kinda composite. Learn something new everyday.
When the Flanker and Growling collided, the scale of the Flanker becomes apparent. Holy crap that thing is enormous, but flies like it isn't affected by gravity
This is what I was so surprised about when I first saw the IAFs MKI for real as a kid. I thought that I would be able to climb on the wings, but they were almost a storey high for me back then. Its as big as the f111 which had the pilots sitting side by side. Its a god damn Attack Titan with its size and agilty.
That's the feature of flankers, they're designed to be nimble. India loves agile planes.
@@someonejustsomeone1469yeah cause India's enemy are really close. Like Pakistan and China. So they can use their maneuverablity compared to US where their borders are long so they can easily get beyond visual range kills
I still remember seeing that picture taken from the top of a Tejas standing next to a Su-30MKI at Aero India. First time I realized how large the Su-30MKI really was.
@@death_parade I mean the Tejas is at the opposite end, it's extremely small. Much like the Folland Gnats.
“I think it’s going for flares” famous last words
1:56 "i think it's going for flares"
*"Famous last words"*
I would love to see a hypothetical fight between F-22 and a YF-23. ❤
agree
He did that one already. If not it was the 35
I assume the word you're looking for is "hypothetical" 💀💀
Hypocritical or hypothetical?
In a hypocritical fight between those two, who’s the bigger hypocrite? 🤔
Flanker became Voldemort for few mins 😂
😂😂😂😂 Avada Kadavara
Man, I'd love to see you flying the Su-30. With your skill and that thing's agillity, I'm sure we can get some crazy dogfights.
Growling on Su-30 vs multiple JF-17s :)
@@AKumar-co7oe Multiple Su-30s in a rate fight with a JF17 Ez win for the Jeff
@@vitaminbcomplex3391 you can't rate fight multiple enemies at the same time, one will fly off for a while turn back and kill you
When he rammed you with his nose, that is when I completely lost it LMAO. Great flying from the both of you btw!
Happy to see the Jeff make another appearance on the channel. A super underrated DCS module
Love me my Jeff.
Its good in rate fights
@@tacticaltanny27 it's also just a comfy jet to do things in.
Thanks for switching it up. I love your content and the variety makes it so much better.
That flanker sure is a good looking aircraft...!
The Indian Air Force has an interesting inventory of fighter aircrafts.
Russia - west -usa perfectly balanced
@@its999wrld4
The Indian Air force don't have any u.s fighter and with the new mig , sukhoi and dassault purchases they don't have in a near future
Nope
@@ignacio3890 We have apaches and mi24s. chinooks and mi 8,17,35. c130s aswell as an32. il76,78 as well as c17. Except for any american fighters we have western mirage 2000, rafales and Jaguars
@@ignacio3890 we have French -british -russian fighters with isreali and mostly western tech on our Russian fighters. The American planes we operate are c130 Hercules, C-17 globemaster, chinnoks, Apaches yeah and p-8i Poseidon. We also ordered some Blackhawks for navy
@Growling Sidewinder There is a bug when you use the uncaged seeker of the PL-5E on a target locked by radar. The PL-5 may never lock in this case. Unfortunately uncaging is the only way to slave the IR seeker to the radar. So yes, the PL-5Es are currently quite useless in a dogfight.
nice so this is a bug ? any word on a fix ?
I had a issue last night where after a rearm I just could not get the sneakers to uncage! They would get tone and track but couldn't uncage.
No pl 5 JF 17 is armed with PL 15E most dangerous and longest range AA ever produced..
@@beingCS7 the pl15 upgrade is planned not in service its also supposed to get the pl10 but again these arent in service on the jf17 the best ir guided weapon the jf17 has is the PL-9 and the best radar guided weapon on the jf17 is the PL-12 (SD-10)
14:25 If you go frame-by-frame on the collision, you'll see that the Flanker's nose impacted the Jeff's canopy. GS could have reached out and touched it.
The Jeff is such a good looking plane, too. It's somewhere between an F-5 and an F-16.
Between a mig21 and a f18
@@ignacio3890 no, F16 has influence in it. Its project manager had told. JF17A, basically a F20 tigershark with F16A's lighter wings and Gripen's vertical tail. Only thing mig21 abt it is its 23 mm gun. Its based on Sabr II project NOT on Super 7.
@@Blackbirdz2000
Lol... You don't knows Who talking about. The BASIS OF THE PROJECT IT'S THE F7M SABRE 2 VERSIÓN OF THE MIG21 . THE FC17 BODY AND WINGS ARE DERIVATE OF THE MIG 21 ONES
What beautiful flying by Scope in Round 1.
Like watching an aerial ballet performance...respect dude !!
Su 30mki vs F 15 , they are currently competing each other in cope india air exercises 2023 .
😂
The Canard Flankers are the most beautiful aircraft ever made. I can watch them in action all day long....
They seem like a flying scorpion with six wings instead of legs.
They really need to make a vocal assistant with the JF17 voice.
LOL last kill though, with a nose cone 😂
The computer voice of the FJ-17 🥵🥵
you have THE hardest outro music it works so well with the intro music love your channel man
In reality 27 feb 2019 we f**** si 30 mki
Even with a disadvantage you seem to find a way. You got serious skill bro. And tons of knowledge on your enemy is key to how you approach a fight. 🤟🏾
In all the 3 dogfights of Jf 17 vs Su30 MKI we have seen GS in Jf 17 can we see him in the Su30 MKI for the same scenario
It's not easy to go against Flanker with the Fighter like Jff. He is not going to do easy work for win.
That's actually a very interesting theory about the use of the 30mm cannons for one-circle fighters of which I never actually thought about...
The Mirage and the Rafale use 30mm cannons as well 🤔
I think its just the preference of the plane manufacturer. Dassault likes the 30mm. US manufacturers like the 20, they put the M61 vulcan on everything. Including the F 18, which is definitely one circle fighter.
@@electric_boogaloo496 it's certainly not the sole explanation for choice of gun caliber, but I'd be willing to bet that it does factor into the selection philosophy much of the time. Russia did switch from 23mm to 30mm guns when they introduced the MiG-29 and Su-27 series to start replacing the earlier, generally less agile MiGs and Sukhois.
I think it's mostly Americans still using smaller callibre, in ww2 everyone had 20mm or even 30mm at the end but USA had 12,7mm, then in Korea they switched to 20mm but other countries were using 30mm or even 37mm, afterwards 30mm was standard on all not American fighters
Scope is like that meme where the penguin crosses his arms with an angry look on his face after being a gentleman and transitioning into the rate fight but getting Fox 3’d in the process.
How about a fight between light-weight fighters: JF17 vs JAS39.
You look at the two corrections that missile had to make at 6:08...I wonder how many Gs those turns were
The first ones maybe up to 10g and the last one could have been around 15g , it didn't get fast enough to do more.
It looks like an F-16 with F-18 wing-root leading-edge extensions
I love how they went for melee in the tie-breaker 🤣
I wanted to see a slow mo of that near collision.
"I would imagine at least SOME of those [panels] were pretty important..." 😆😆😆
That has to be the spiciest dig fighting in I've seen in a long time
What a beast the Cy-30 is
Love to see you do some air to ground in JF-17
Tuff fight but great flying in the outmatched J14...l love ❤ watching you fly and it's nice to see you out and about a bit in these other planes every now and again...awesome video ⛳
What a pleasant voice with you in the cockpit
It's like a panther going against a Tiger, oh well at least we hope PAF pilots fly as good as GS 😄👍
They will fly definitely better good thing is all Of them will be upgraded to block 3. Better avionics and missiles.
@@munnumkhalid and get shot by Indian jets quickly ...cowards
@@Python489 1. What have Pakistan people done to you ? I mean, why there is so much conflict ? 2. Nobody showed ever real proof that there was a JF-17 downed by India. Greetings from Germany.
@@Python489 The only thing shot by an Indian jet is another Indian jet while cowards shot your mig-21, su-30 and served fantastic tea to your humiliated pilot.
@@GrimScorrupt-hx5ef Humiliated pilot who was released immediately fearing Indian retaliation? How would the pilot who shot down an f16 with his 3rd gen fighter, land in Pak... get served tea before being sent back to receive a heroic welcome back at home....ever feel Humiliated??? There is no win for PAk here.... and US can only hide and deny about f16.
ROUND 5 - When blocking a punch with your nose actually defeats your opponent.
Bro got so fed up of his weapons that he just decided to headbutt the flanker instead.
that shot at 11:53 must have hit some seriously critical avionics component too, the rest of the airframe looks relatively undamaged other than that horizontal stab. crazy, dcs damage models at work right there
We did in reality 🥱
Great gun shots from the Flanker pilot. Probably not worth lobbing those low Pk IR shots. The last fox 2 is worth 3 times as much as the first, because as long as they have HOBBS missiles it effects how you are able to fly.
Just an minute ago I was browsing through looking if you uploaded another Jeff vid and voila, you didn't disappoint
Content is King, and you are killing it!
Jf-17 has such an attractive flight computer i see.
Ahh yes, gotta love a Growling Sidewinder video to start the morning off lol they’re always great!👌🏼
That 360 thunder turn 🔥
Much appreciated!!!!
Great video as always!!!
14:17 JF 17 is basically new kamikadze meta
it failed even at that :D
@@AKAtheA cuz its made in china💀
@@AKAtheA you failed at making sense
@@jasinski2137 yeah that's why it was bought by two countries while three more countries are yet to confirm it's deals you brainless specie
@@AKAtheA You [India] will never be able to surprise us...
We will surprise you - PAF 🇵🇰💪
The only way to get a gun kill with the jeff is to either outrate a target who gets really slow or, the better strat, get in a one circle trying to slow the enemy down and then abuse the jeffs AOA to get them to cross your nose
Flanker : “ Splash one .. kill confirmed”
Ground control: “ missile or gun? “
Flanker : “ Nose Cone”
Well, you DO like challenging dogfights! Good one!
God the way he just slided in to your 6 was epic. Flankers are extremely elegant to watch.
I'd be interested to see how an f22 would do when it's loaded down as much as possible in a dogfight
"Today we're in the JF-17 Thunder. We're going to fight this Flanker and try our best to avoid his nose...." 14:19
Awesome dogfight super enjoyed it!
Being able to score at least one while being so severely handicapped is sure something!
As stated to watch I thought for sure you were going to end up with the human guided full size drone kill in this one ;) Great flying just to be able to end his fun the 2 times you did!
Use Block 3 if you have it in DCS. It has HOBS with PL-10
Sukhoi has python 5 360° kill radius
@@tanmaysingh267 It will even things out. That's what I'm saying. PL-10 is a crazy hobs missile too.
@@alinawaz1730 pl 10 has never been tested in combat at best pl 10 is equivalent of python 4 and asraam
Python 5 can do 360° maneuvers and kill the target
@@tanmaysingh267 when ha su-30 (mki) seen combat? It has only seen BVR vs Pakistan and it fell short. Both missiles are untested. Nobody knows for sure how they'll perform in combat. Hopefully, they don't shoot down their own fighter or accidentally fire a missile
@@alinawaz1730 dont worry bro. Even when our missile misfires it lands into pakistan😁
Just hope and pray that next time it misfires it is not with any warhead. 🙂🙂
Next : *J-20 V/s Rafale BVR Intercept*
He pulled a Reaper maneuver on you at the end there.
How would you @Growling Sidewinder feel about putting the a-t-g capabilities to the test with the a-10 vs the fj-17? And then maybe set up a scenario where afterwards they dogfight? So, not only do they sead/dead, but also dogfight after they potentially defeat the opponent’s sams
If you do happen to see this and respond. I don’t wanna seem entitled or anything, but it would be super cool if I could get a mention under the name ‘SrA Bankert’ if and only if I’m the first one to suggest this and you actually go through with the video. Again, I’m sorry if I sound demanding. It just would make my week or even month man. You’re one of my favorite channels
Hey , Love your videos . I have a suggestion in case you need it . Just use the title " Indian Su-30 Mki Vs Pakistani JF-17 Thunder " and see the magic ;)
nooo, he shouldn't indian keyboard warriors will invade the comment section.
@@Chogose it will be humiliation for pakistanis
@@Chogose yeah it would be too much for paxtani keyboard warriors who're already in here to handle and cópé
The only difference is that su-30 is not really Indian. But f-17 is
to some extent Pakistani.
@@harixav The su-30 is as much Russian as J-17 is Chinese. IF you say Pak had actual inputs into their jf17s, atleast ask them to completely assemble the craft in pak. Su Mkis are actually built from scratch in India... other than the engines ofcourse.
Going to the merge with a Flanker in that thing might be almost certain death, but at least the aircraft talks to you all the way in its silky smooth voice.
What a coincident, today I was watching your old su 30 mki videos
Finally after watching you for so long some Indian content love from India❤
😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😠🤬🤬🤬NNNOOOOOOOOOOoO I live in Pakistan PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!
@@amirhameed9485First may you learn grammar kid😂.
No one's talking about how calm and soothing the JF-17's caution & warning voice is haha
Raggin rita, bitching betty, and now Sweet Sarah
Calming Clara 😌
Great fights and flying, sir.
Gotta love the toughness of the Sukoi. Why use missiles or guns when the plane will do
The jeff is my baby in modern stuff. It makes me sad that its weapons fail the airframe as it can hang in the one circle with an F18 and is one of the better 2 circle fighters behind the f16. It SHOULD be good and they effed it up lol
I remember a while back you did a sd10vs 120c comparison. Do you think in 2023 you would be willing to do another after all the changes both have received. As well as target size setting on the sd10 changing range till active? Small target offering the shortest distance till active. I think this is a very underrated setting that's glossed over by allot of players.
The flanker is such a curious jet. Shoving its nose into other jets' matters.
That nose kill was awesome 😎😂
You forgot to put the JF-17 in 'combat' mode. It gives you a bit more thrust, you can get to 100% rpm instead of 99.3% which ends up being about 600lbs of thrust. It might not have made much of a difference, but it might have be enough.
How do you put the jeff in 'combat' mode?
@@peacefultyranny8981 near the throttle there's a switch that says cmbt and you flip it up. You'll see the "combat" light up on the eyebrow lights.
@@DerekWilsonProgrammerthx! Been flying this bird for a month now, but never realized I can squize a little more juice out of it. Hope I can do better in the multiplayers with this extra help
Since the Sukhois designed to hunt down drones by mid-air collisions, the JF-17 had no chance :D
JF-17 thunder shoot down SU-30
@@saimca14 not possible though! Russian fighter vs Chinese fighter, there is whole huge gap between these two countries in the quality of products.
@@verjeshnarzary9514 this gap is getting smaller or is already in chiniese favor, especialy as russians fail to deliver engines to their customers so jf17 switched from rusian to chienese engines in new versions
Great flying as always GS
More vids in the Jeff please! Been wanting vids like these for some timme!
Seeing these make me wonder why they didn't engineer the gun to sweep up and down in a different configuration for air to air and air to ground. The technology for that isn't that complicated
It's pretty complicated, it's not that simple without effecting something
@@subjectc7505 i mean, it's not something that could be thrown together in a garage haha... That said, we've seen planes like the Tomcat with variable swept wings. It's definitely possible to build a motor/mechanism to pivot a gun with a high degree of precision. On the software side, it's just a matter of changing the ballistics calculations for the radar gunsight in AA configuration. In all, it probably would've been one of the cheapest parts of designing the aircraft tbh
There are gunpods that can aim down, making internal gun tgat can aim up/down would be pointless waste of weight and space
@@sniper_elite3853 I'm not sure I'm following. The internal gun is what's angled down 8°... Are you saying to have the internal with no downward angle and a gunpod put on for air to ground missions?
I understand the logic there, it's just the choice between the mechanical complexity vs the extra weight
jf17 gun is below fuselage, to aim it up you would have to put it on top but then also move it to side to avoid canopy, to much trouble for super rare gunfights
Please, please more JF17 videos!🙏🙏🙏
"Look at this" *Crashes*
We need more Su-30MKI Videos.
Honestly, this was incredible skill on your part. This was a completely mismatched fight.
Thanks Growling Sidewinder! Videos like these help in keeping the morale up in Pakistan, especially given what the country in going through currently....
What aer you guys going through right now?
@@gregtheegg3576 Dont ask
@@gregtheegg3576 pakistan has gone bankrupt
@@gregtheegg3576 inflation, failing currency, and a lot of political problems.
The tea 🍵 is always fantastic 😅
I never like seeing a Flanker coming down from above. It's ominous to say the least.
I waited so long for this video!!! Amazing as always!!!
Man, this was BRAVE!!!