The ULTIMATE Improvement Tierlist Ft.
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- MLA Link: wtl.lol/shok
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Discord: / discord
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0:00 What this tier list is for
0:28 Mid Lane Academy
0:52 Malzahar
3:08 Ahri
6:45 Annie
10:15 Anivia
12:40 Kassadin
15:08 Corki
17:20 Azir
18:59 Akshan
21:55 Galio
23:35 Cassiopeia
26:10 Fizz
29:30 Yasuo
31:30 Akali
34:30 Ekko
35:05 Naafiri
37:07 Diana
39:30 Aurelion Sol
42:00 Hwei
43:30 Neeko
45:40 Rumble
47:10 LeBlanc
48:40 Lissandra
54:24 Katarina
54:54 Orianna
56:50 Irelia
58:00 Syndra
1:02:18 Talon
1:03:30 Veigar
1:06:15 Ryze
1:07:44 Vladimir
1:09:10 Qiyana
1:10:40 Brand
1:11:55 Viktor
1:13:25 Tristana
1:17:12 Xerath
1:18:24 Ziggs
1:19:20 Lux
1:22:20 Twisted Fate
1:24:50 Taliyah
1:27:00 Zed
1:29:25 Kayle
1:30:27 Sylas
1:31:55 Yone
1:37:12 Zoe
1:37:55 Tryndamere
1:39:00 Vex
1:40:42 Swain
1:42:25 Vel'Koz
1:43:35 Zilean
1:45:35 Pantheon
1:47:35 Jayce
1:49:55 Finished Tier List
1:51:10 Final Thoughts
#shok #lol #leagueoflegends 
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Awesome to finally collab! Looking forward to working with you inside the MLA :)
The Collab we all needed :)
Yes!!! The entire midlaner community needed it!! Thanks to both of you!
Woow this is every midlaner dream
i dont think malza is good for people that are new to the game, i think it can damage their progress in fact if they stick with that champion
Notice how shok credited you very visibly in his video.
Omg the crossover we all waited for
The stars are aligning and midlane will never be the same.
I never dared hope for this, I can't believe it's happening.
Shaq and Kobe
two S-tier midlane content creators right here
The most insane collab ever let's gooo
Coach Curtis saved me from a gang of intruders in my home in 2018, that unit pentakilled solo. I will always be in debt to the goat Curtis.
Woah when is he gonna save me
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS INSANE COLLAB LETS GO
This is like when Goku and Vegeta team up, great duo ❤
Walk with E!
Then recall spend your money
Real recognize real
curtis who repaired my mental, husum who taught me gaming approach and having fun on the general, shok whose details got me mastas. Now thats an avengers assembly
Next you should do a mid lane skill ceiling tier list with the highest skill ceiling champs to be at the top. I love those discussions and coach curtis tends to have really interesting opinions on this that differ from general community opinions.
+1
Finally the most precise tier list for League. Amazing stuff and I have to say that your hard work payed off!
Great collab, great video, would love to see more ideas of collaboration!
This is probably one of the best videos and collabs ever done, two excellent coaches with a lot in common but also opinionated due to servers maybe or personal reasons, yet the objective debate and in the end always finding the middle ground and giving people two or more things to think about that may apply to one more than the other. Fantastic.
I came back from a 5 year break and used to be diamond and now I'm barely covering gold, so this video at first seemed not that needed for me but because of how quickly and crazy fast the game developed and the flow, the skill, going over all of this again from the two best coaches I know is essentially a jackpot.
I have such a wide range of heroes I play and my pool is rather bigger, I feel often intuitive and have amazing days on assassins like ekko and akali, and then on other days I whip out anivia, viktor, brand. So going over all this again really helped me pinpoint my specific issues and the fact that I love assassins as much as mages depending on the day can be a crutch because you have to mentally shift on how you play every time you swap to a different hero identity which for me created issues.
So this video made really think of: oh hey I am still pretty bad in csing, I should probably focus on mages for a bit, or choose a day where I focus on asssassins and then another day on mages so the shift doesn't hit as extremely. Obviously if there are hardcounter options with heroes you're comfortable with you should do it. But this video besides all of Curtis and Shoks content really brought it all together and will make me rewatch your videos to pinpoint specific issues.
So thank you, that was phenomenal.
They both play in OCE high challenger and often face each other in soloQ
@@andrew_240 Ohh, I had no idea for some reason I sworde Shok was on NA, I know many people from australia and new zealand but his accent really has multiple layers, maybe due to travels? Or I am completely oblivious if it comes to Shok, because just watching 5 second of a Curtis video I knew he was australian.
Thanks for that clarification!
You dont happen to be informed as them or close to about my other question about Gragas?
Either way, thank you!
Love both your content! Thanks for the great video!
As an OTP Diana I totaly agree about what it has been said about her. There is a lot of misconception about her role... sometimes I got flamed because I didn't dive in but they don't realize that I couldn't. All people might think it is go in > press R > win, but in reality especialy above Plat/Emeraude, that is not true at all.
Without escape, going in is a coinflip sometime and I'd rather wait and poke until it's good enough or disengage if it's lost and my contribution won't change the result.
Quite hard to see in a glance if it's worth diving in or not, it takes time. If you play an other assassin with escaping tools, that level of cautiousness can be a bad thing in my opinion.
Actually incredible video! Can't wait to see you around in the MLA soon, Shok!
I think its also good that if you play certain champs like xerath, hwei with lots of range and poke that can bump eachother up in the rank due to them playing very similarly and transferable skill. I think its a good tierlist for learning to get to gold though, champions dont require much more thinking than reading the abilities in a practice tool for 5 minutes and getting the feel for how they play, giving you more mental capacity for thinking about your opponent, enemy jungler etc... Love the videos and I always end up learning so much from you.
im hwei main myself
just when i needed this ! Thank you !
Super hyped to finally see my two favorite midlane content creators collab.
Phenomenal breakdown. Legendary collab.
Hell yeah can't believe two of my favorite mid lane improvement resources are finally working together.
u guys nailed it, im challenger and still learned quite a few things
Cant wait to see You in the MLA Shok!
How cool is that?! The collab of my wildest (safe for work) dreams!
I loved the video. I'm finally glad that you explained why Annie is not such a simple character, I suffered a lot with her and forced her on myself, and it was not a good decision. I had more success with Syndra than Annie. For me, she is the ultimate "fundamental" champion. Orianna is similar, yes, but unplayable for me when the midlane is full of assassin picks and the many pyke support nautilus leona etc. It's also overwhelming for Syndra if there are too many of them in a team tbh but it's still more manageable. And what's also a huge positive, and you didn't mention it, but syndra teaches one of the most important things in teamfights, target priority. With other champs, I've noticed that I tend to slow down in that regard and hit whoever I see and can still have a decent impact, but with syndra, it's key to hit the right person because of how her ult works. This is what Syndra helped me with the most.
I’d say Syndra is the best for lane bully mages
A feat with coach curtis and shok has to be an absolute banger
Damn I actually watched the whole thing, props to you guys
i'm in diamond, I like very simple champions that also have CC (which makes you helpful even if you fall behind), the more complicated your champion is, the less you're gonna be able to focus on other things, like paying attention to the minimap.
I agree, I played Ori and Hwei. When I dropped Hwei and instead picked up Ahri, I noticed how much more free my mental stack was. Even my Ori improved, I felt like everything was clicking much better.
a collab ive been waiting for so long
No idea what an improvement tier list is but I'll definitely be watching this throughout the week. The collab we've all been waiting for!
Oh im so hyped for this
as an ex irelia one trick, she taught me sooo many important things about the game and shaped how i play the game in terms of how i play waves and especially my camera positioning as irelia forces you to have good camera control and good csing/wave management once you get better at her
Great stuff gentlemen
I think an overlooked point in this video about playing tf, is how it teaches you map awareness extremely well, which is a transferable skill to any midlaner. I agree though that he isn't the best at teaching you mid lane.
Man ive never seen any content by Coachcurtis before this, but as a Lissandra main, every word he said about Lissandra just hit home. He knows his stuff.
I'm currently working with a 3 champion pool: Pantheon, Naafiri, Galio.
Pantheon because i already have a lot of mastery with, Naafiri is my new sweetheart, I'm loving playing with her. And Galio as an AP pick that I find easy.
All of them have high range ultimates and gap closing abilities that allow you to roam quickly.
i think diana comes down to knowing power spikes, due to the fact that once your in your in so your damage needs to be better than theirs
sick collab mr shok !
Thanks for the video! Going for a Qiyana climb after seeing this.
Let’s goooooo!!! The cross over event of the century!!!
We have all waited for that, feels like Ronaldo and Messi on the same team! Good vid as always!
2:15 malz, for me was the beginning champ. Draft league in the beginning. Getting to see what at least most mid champs do when on enemy team. Get used to controls (league is and was my first moba type game). Get used to timers and his ult learns you ups and downs of abilities and priority targets. Then you should broaden your horizon in draft to different champs/mages to get ready for ranked.
47:44 As someone who often says I am a LeBlanc at heart but decided to instead one-trick Ahri to learn the game, hearing Shok say this was both hilarious and great to hear
It happened. This is a historical moment
oh my god my two mid lane improvement resources are teaming up. Absolute W
Curtis saying that ahri isnt as easy as people usually think she is makes my heart melt, love this guy
Oh well, the three block can wait! This like a double dip of broken by concept this week :D
Edit: Wtf Shok in MLA?!?!
Wow! Coach Curtis being a swain enjoyer is very poggers. +1
3:40 I’ve mained and borderline one tricked ahri since season 5. I was gold when I started her and hit p1 before emerald existed. Now I’m just casually emerald and feel like I’m terrible at the game cause I spent so much time playing ahri instead of branching out more.
try to implement syndra/ori into your pool, both very good mage picks that are strong in pretty much any meta and also kinda do a better job at helping you learn wave management and other fundementals than ahri does.
i confirm, jungler rarely comes mid on lower ranks, if youre lissandra you might cry out of your mind, jungler doesnt care, i feel lissandra also lacks damage, i uderstand its on purpose because she has quite some CC so they decided to cut off her damage, sure you can say she does a lot of it, but its mostly when she has advantage, on equal foot she cannot 1v1 much at all, she cant even kill support 1v1 many times, depends who it is
Yeah plus the passive is basically useless in 1v1
The best of the best coaches
thanks for the vid
Holy shit, I've not watched league content in ages and it's my favourite 2 coaches
Guess now all 3 of my fav mid lane content creators are together. Love it!
3?
@@anniekujo Curtis, Shok and Mysterias in the Mid Lane Academy
@marco-kastrup Ahh ok, thought you were talking about the video.
Appreciate it man 100%
My 2 goats in one video, I own everything to you guys!
Quite a "must watch video" for everyone who's learning midlane, great job!!!!
Pd: it'would be nice to see Sera here, crying 4 that :')
i play mostly kata but i was a otp yone, about kata, you are 100% right, that champ is busted but also weak af, pretty different from any other assasin in the game unique like u said. So for yone i could say he is difficult to perform at its best, thats why i think he high skill ceiling, you have a lot of tricks also you need to have a lot of things in your mind and hands sync to carry a fight and stuff, like for example his mechanichal skill requirement is low but if you are more responsive and fast then you gonna get better results, its the same for kata i could say
also something i would like to add up about katarina is that , i could disagree with the statement that you cant transfer your skills to other assasins except kata , kata is one of the champs that her mechanical skill scales infinitely, like you could always be faster and faster with that champ cause in high elo you need to be pretty precise about pretty much everything, enemies cds, your cds , champion piorities etc, also if you are playing ap she is still considered an assasin , same glass cannon as zed,yone,draven and other champs like that so for example if you need to be careful about your hp with draven, you need to be with kat too so in general she teaches you a lot of things but you may not understand it directly but i personally can feel that my reflexes are sharper with other champs that i play even if i was an otp kat before like 1 year if you get my point, SO to sum it up, i think kata still teaches you assasin fundamentals
OMG I just literally signed up to MLA just before this video was posted - couldnt help Shok out with the referral link
welcome, mate!
This tierlist feels a bit weird... As it went on, I felt like the characteristics of what made a character good to improve on were more and more muddled. I'm not sure if that's due to 2 people giving their thoughts but I'm kinda left feeling like there are 2 tiers "champs that you say are good to improve" and "champs you said are bad to improve" but idk why they were necessarily placed there. I'm not sure if it makes sense but I feel like having some sort of obvious explained grading system would have made this easier to grasp. Also, you said you dont recommend Annie but she's in A tier, is A tier bad? In any case, love your content.
They are a bit vague cause its a 15 minute video but what you can infer from annie is why it puts her a grade below malz. To simplify an answer to your question the difference between the tiers are not explained that well but I think its more just overall simplicity, if 2 champs are good to improve with and 1 is in S while the other is A, its most likely due to the S just being easier and more viable than the A tier. Using Annie-Malzahar as an example and also simplifying what they said; Annie has a; Long AA range that you most likely wont utilize to its full potential; 2nd is Bad waveclear that you have to focus on. Malz really just plops his abilities down and he clears the wave and his AA range is less "useable" due to the windup and (Im pretty sure is shorter than annies but im not 100% sure".
It feels like Curtis values really simple champions that new players can find success on while Shok expects players to have a little bit more skill floor and likes champions that challenge your fundamentals and really tests that you understand them.
they explained the reasoning you guys need to listen more carefully
I sorta get what you mean, I think the important thing is that the champ isn't too difficult to play and will test your fundamentals without punishing you so hard for messing up those fundamentals that you end up abandoning the champion. If you take a champion like Azir, he tests the fundamentals just as well as a champion like Orianna does, but any mistakes are going to be far more costly/frustrating and the champion itself is going to detract a lot from learning the game (because it's so difficult). If you have any specific champions on the list you are unsure why they are placed there let me know!
@@ShokLeague Yeah, sorry I only wanted to leave a constructive comment... I don't want it to sound like I got nothing from the video ^^'
I think a part that left me a bit conflicted was when champions were put A tier but it almost sounded like they weren't being recommended at all which in my mind was what the lowest tier should be. That was why my original comment mentioned Annie as an example.
Another example of things that confused me was when a champ has tools that allow it to survive disadvantageous situations... does that make it a bad improvement champ because you don't benefit from an obvious negative consequence when making a mistake or a good one because you won't get as harshly punished for making a mistake? It felt like that point was used on both sides of the argument a few times which confused me when trying to understand the characteristics to look for...
I think it's just a different way of understanding the game that I'm not getting. Or maybe I'm just trying to understand something that's not actually useful to understand(the intention of the tiers)...That might all be part of why I'm bad though.
Hope this comment can help in some way, otherwise I might be way off base and confused for no reason.
the coach multiverse
everything related to coaching eventually leads to curits ^^
okay so i played viktor to get out of iron in euw, and it went well-ish but i found myself having to space melee matchups and then getting run over by bruisers along with the rest of my team. Whatever I built we would get run over by mundo, garen etc. I'm playing cassio a lot more now and getting more success into it, because Im playing it into melee lanes and then viktor into ranged lanes. What do you think of this?
wow this is like goku and vegeta finally teaming up
I hope you and MLA work out!
I think that soring champs on fundamental mechanics would be better. for example how well does this champ prepeare you to farming and with other champions on scale 1-10 than sum it up and u have the answer. now its more about your experiences and we don t know what each champ teaches us (it s not that clear)
As a bronze azir I don’t think is the mechanical demand but the team comp like it feels really hard to play without a front to back
That makes it difficult too yeah
The S in his new MLS program stands for Shok. It's the Mid Lane Shok program.
On that Ahri discussion: I think it's easy to miss this in modern league, but Ahri is in fact designed as a catch assassin. Her kit has the same decision making heavy design that other assassins have, even if she doesn't have the same damage threat and very often just plays front to back in modern league. It is entirely easy to throw a fight by screwing up your charm and causing your team to lose. How many lower ELO Ahri players have you seen just press R E Q and miss both of their skill shots? Even if Ahri gets back out with her R, that can easily get your teammates killed.
I think you can argue something similar for most champions without point and click abilities. A syndra that misses E doesn't do much unless they R someone squishy, Orianna misses Q, W and R what do you even do?
Shok made a perfect comparison for Ahri tbh. Both Ahri and LeBlanc are mage and assassin hybrids that shares the most similarities between each other out of all champions. The difference is that LeBlanc could be classified as assassin primary and mage secondary where Ahri is the reverse of that which is also even amplified by their laning pre 6 (as LeBlanc is very agressive during that time where Ahri is more on a passive side cause if she is carelessly overaggressive she just get dunked on in lane) which is A MASSIVE importance of midlane or any lane really, but especially when learning. I'd argue that Ahri is much more of a mobility mage that in certain angles can be played as an assassin (usually when snowballing hard) where LeBlanc is more of a ranged assassin that can be played a bit like mobility poke mage into certain team comps that shut down assassin playstyle hard.
@@gagers78 You quite literally can't miss a Syndra R, and Ahri's abilities have double the cooldown of Orianna's. I get your point, but it's not a fair comparison. Ori's Q is a fucking 3 second cooldown at rank 5 man. You literally get to miss it for free and recast it before triggering your W or R just to be sure you hit it lmfao. You can also jut press E on a melee champion and let them carry the ball into the middle of the enemy team, at which point you are no longer skill shot reliant in any sense. The level of decision making required to play either of those champions is not even remotely close to playing Ahri.
The LeBlanc comparison is a lot more realistic.
Also if you're passive on Ahri, you're probably just a bad player....which was probably his entire point. It's very easy to default to playing passively on Ahri when you shouldn't be and you don't learn what you should as a result.
Mid lane tier list:
S+ : Shok, CoachCurtis
finally my boy ekko getting the rating he deserves
pigeon 4-man insec highlight onto dying go brr brr
Veigar unfortunately fell off a cliff for 1v1s when Everfrost was removed, I would expect it switching places with Syndra
2 best MID Lane coaches 1 vid is it possible???
cant wait to see why lissandra has the longest chapter
Super awesome!
Nice one. The List seems reasonable for Silver and lower.
But I disagree, for your main audience, Silver-Emerald. e.g. think there is no champ that forces you to think about wave management as much as Fizz. It rewards good management and punishes bad very effectively.
I also think Champs that need to punish cd/ last hits and require spacing like ori and cassio are great for forcing to learn exactly that. It's hard to learn, but it's what you need to learn.
Tbh I disagree with Fizz, I think in a higher level it's true you would get punished hard for bad wave control but in lower elos I have a feeling he is just going to abandon his wave and run around and get kills. Definitely agree on the punishing last hits, but there are lots of mids that can do this.
Honestly surprised with malzahar being so high on the list considering that, as you said, it plays the game for you. Always felt like he was one of the *worst* mids for improvement bc of how badly being able to win on malz translates to being able to win as a mid laner.
For bottom low elo that they are catering to, you want to translate the basics of how to "flow through" the game and simplify the little tiny macro elements. Look at korea for example, most EU streamers know korea for having the worst macro out of any of the servers and most of the high playrate champs are very mechanic heavy champs. If they say started playing mages and learned macro first, they could perhaps translate the large macro elements into the game while changing up their playstyle. Thats why Malz who skips a lot of the micromanaging elements such as wave clearing, last hitting etc is good for improvement, mostly just cause in league largescale macro is more important than other aspects. (Just my opinion tho u can interpret it how u want)
The higher elo you go the worse Malzahar will be for learning, I think for players plat and below (what this tierlist is aimed at) it gives you a decent platform to start learning some of the fundamentals like prio usage, teamfighting as an immobile mage etc
Rn my mid lane champ pool is vex, brand, galio
First and best type of tier list ✨️
Would you recommend the program for someone a little higher? (Like mid dimond?)
They have an above plat program called the MLA plus, but it has a waitlist right now i believe.
You'd be better off asking Curtis, for now I'm just working with the plat and below program.
Is there any way you can do a teirlist on improvement for Dai +?
Might do in future yeah
Great coment on Ahri. Poeple think shes very easy, but she is actually hard to master. She is not as good as Leblanc in terms of assasinating people and shes not as good as diana that goes in oneshots 2 ppl and stays alive.
Top lane in iron is such a funny experience.
Ok Hear me out Video Series where Shok plays Taliyah to Diamond with only Q and E
Lowkey wanna try this
@@ShokLeague if u can do that there is no excuse for me to be hardstuck emerald anymore please do it that series would go hard
Cassiopeia needs a lot of clicking , baiting using Q movement speed, going when to all in, when to fight to the death, etc. By the way I am pretty sure that because you input so much movement and click so much, you match with smurfs a lot more , and this happens also when I play something like vayne or kog mow. At least to my experience the game knows you input a lot of movement commands and a lot of clicking + a lot of dmg so the game can tell you are a smurf. It is too noticeable so I thought I comment on it.
i realy love this video can u make a tier for ema plus to Improvement .
can you make video how to get out emrald like what think ineed to know and what should my pool look like and if you was emarld who u would play. give me stright pool i will play what ever you say.
and sry for my bad eng xD
Yessir will try make some content like this
nice video indeed
What if you are already pretty good at Akshan? Should I swap to learn a different champion?
Depends what your goals are I think, you can definitely climb with Akshan, but for learning the rest of mid (if you intend to expand your pool) you probably want to play something else. If you just wanna be an Akshan one trick though I'd say stick with it
This is Shaq and Kobe level collab XDD
Could one of you give a quick statement to Gragas?
Ive been playing him mid in season 2-4 and loved him eversince, now he is mainly seen in korea in mid thatswhy it works out well for me because a lot of people on my elo are like: huh gragas mid?
I would love a quick input on him because I really love his skill ceiling, skirmishing, endless cc, have to pay attention to positioning but ure also mobile, but missing certain abilities in key situations can throw an entire fight. I was really hoping to hear some about Gragas
I think he's probably pretty solid, but I think his skills probably extend to other top laners a bit more than other mids
@@ShokLeague Oh how times have changed, I remember in season 2-4 where he was super popular mid and then just vanished, but thinking about it you are right. If you would give him a mid identity it would be a form of assassin if you get a lead, otherwise you go bruiser like galio which to an extent make them abit alike the only difference is galio is not really a toplaner. Thanks for the input and great video, genuinely, would love to see more collabs with you two about specific meta shifts or even something hybrid for people that have a somewhat decent understanding and making like 2 more tierlists for beginners like the one now, one for people like me that left and came back to league but used to be decent but feel stuck now and one for higher players. Though the community would be smaller to tune in, I feel like hearing the thought processes more deeply on certain heroes and their job depending on elo could really help some people find their style even more. But that's just an idea. I do feel like though I'm not the only one with a wider pool than normal.
How come many champions get thrown down to C tier bc they cant manage wave properly and have to push (Yasuo E, Rumble Q) but Galio has literal AoE autoattacks and is S tier?
idk bc playing irelia forced me to learn wave management and cs punishment more than any other champ
Of course, but there's going to be a lot of investment before you can even work on those things simply to play Irelia, and also it's going to be more difficult to learn some of the other skills that Irelia might cheapen for you. For example, Irelia doesn't really have to worry about cooldowns or resource management as much as other champions. Not saying you can't improve with Irelia, you definitely can, but it wouldn't be what I recommend to people in platinum and below.
Playing malz. Still have little attention spam and cant watch minimap. Even my teammates see ibreact slowly to what happens. I can just watch enemy laner and creeps.
i don't agree wth ekko, the number of ekko's i face in silver who don't interact with poke lanes (viktor) and just q the wave from miles away is astonishing
I thought this was a tier list about champion ultimates 😭 oops
Heimerdinger mains now-😢😢
Gragas was missed 😭
I wanted to listen to this like a podcast but the ridiculous number of ads made it impossible :(
Not sure if that's under your control or not
tbh I don't know if that's in my control or not, I just set monetization on and let YT handle the rest
Yeeeeah finally
heck yeah
I just got to plat, I wonder if I should try the coaching
imo use all the free content first, but if you get stuck then try coaching
@@ShokLeague alright thanks!
I hate, that you guys put all of the "phun" champs in c tier...
Become a Swain otp, i am one, and it carried me from gold 2 to diamond 3 in 3 months
He teaches alot of fundamentals and you will improve quickly.