No, Tang Soo Do is Korean, can't just slap karate on it for it to be karate a japanese word and art...also we know COBRA KAI do TSD, Miyagi do is Japanese/Okinawa Karate. Gojo ryu most likely. No victory there.
@@petermcnallt12pm the sense of victory was because the discussion about Cobra Kai practicing TSD was "officially" over. It had nothing to do with TSD vs Karate, and it was just a joke.
Mr. Miyagi was also a war veteran. He's seen and lived through enough death and violence. It shaped his view of life and thus Martial Arts he practiced and taught to his hot-headed student. That's what I got from the franchise and its spin-off.
When I saw they mentioned "Tang Soo Do" I said "Ha! I watched a video about it. So it WAS true." Did you consider that the writers actually watch YT videos about Karate Kid and it shapes their writing? Maybe they saw your video, and decided to add that to the show.
I do have to wonder. They definitely referenced "Daniel is the Real Bully" RUclips video in the first episode of season 3, so I do wonder (and hope) they watch :)
I thought about that too! But I think production of season 3 was actually done before the Tang So Do-theories hit YT. Maybe they added more scenes after Netflix got involved though!
@@shattereddnb3268 Nope, I posted that analysis in 2018 right after Season 1 and I repeated it again later that same year and I've mentioned it a few times since, well before Season 3 went into production. I also mentioned that Chojun Miyagi was their Grandmaster back in 2018 right after Season 1 and suddenly his picture starts popping up in Season 2 and 3. Hmmmm.... :D
My favorite part of the 3rd season were the interactions with Chozen and how much he evolved. His dialogue I thought was so vital showing how much he had grown and learned as a person and karate student. Not to mention the nose grab was a nice little touch between them in the show
I liked it too, though I wish they had devoted more than an episode or two to his arc. I used to think Chozen was completely irredeemable. Love knowing that Sato, himself seeing the light, was there for his nephew. Would love to see more of his story fleshed out in later seasons.
@@Bastion83 That's a good point, and I would love to see more of him. However, I think Chozen will be like Ali and have one episode for their respective characters. The way I see the show is learning and redemption from past mistakes, tying up loose ends, growing as people, and just becoming more complete. Karate Kid began with Daniel and Johnny. I believe it should end with them, and have them both come full circle. The rest of the characters just help them to achieve this. With Chozen and Ali, and Kumiko, don't be sad they're gone, be happy with what we had.
Tae Kwon do, Wing Chun, Jeet Kune Do and other arts all have changes or are taught depending on the teacher and what they prefer to teach or not to teach.
I like where Chozen shows Daniel the “Jutsu” of karate-do. In my experience that to often the Dō and sport side of karate is thought or some of the bare basics of karate-jutsu.
I literally jumped up in excitement when I heard Tang Soo Do and that was my first martial arts I left as a brown belt but had to move to Arizona, but I’m hoping to go back sooner or later to get my first degree right now I’m in Taekwondo working towards my 1st degree as well.
Always thought the look on Sato's face in that bar was quite telling. He knew exactly what he was looking at, he also most likely knew he was about to lose that bet.
Whether a martial art is hard or soft, it depends on the personality of the practitioner. Most of the time, a teacher will pass down techniques that are suited for his students, whether in physique or mindset. Sometimes, the art becomes softer due to life experience. If you are still hard-headed pass a certain age, you will some difficulties getting along and dealing with others in daily life.
I love the way the series has evolved... at the begining, we all thought that it was going to be about Daniel vs Johnny but then, with the introduction of Kreese, we know now that the real battle will be between good karate and bad karate (and I am not talking about in skills, but in value).
I think one of the reasons why Mr. Miyagi chose the softer side of the art is because of his military service. He was a WW2 veteran, a MOH recipient, and even said in the first movie when he was drunk that Miyagi kill many Germans. After all that, I am sure he didn’t want live a life of aggressiveness. Even more so the fact that he lost his wife and son while he was at war.
You should research where Miyagi began. In Karate Kid 2 and Cobra Kai, they both state that the original Miyagi fell asleep while fishing and woke up on the coast of China and returned ten years later with Miyagi Karate. Their Kata and even the Crane Kick and Drum Technique is very similar to what I learned in Northern Shaolin Kung Fu...
Reminds me of the philosophical differences in the way Ryu looks at fighting with Ansatsuken vs the way Akuma does in Street Fighter lore. Both trained in the same style and focused on different aspects of what they want in martial arts
True, but I also think that almost had more to do with Goken, Ryu's teacher. He saw what happened to Akuma and what his obsession turned him into and didn't want that for his students, so like Mr. Miyagi, he chose to be very careful and restrictive about what he taught.
Great video! I personally have taken taekwondo from two different masters that share the same grandmaster and it is a 180 degree difference in how things are taught
I felt so happy when I saw the trailer of S3 because when Daniel was in okinawa and was sparring with Chozen, I was already thinking Chozen was the one to teach daniel kobudo and complete the Miyagi-do style by learning more offensive techniques. Like Chozen said “defense can take many form” and Daniel had to learn the “hard” side to unite it with his “soft” side. I’m glad you agree with that thought
Sensei, after your videos I started to read more about Kyokushin. Including the infamous Kyokushin vs Muay Thai. While reading and watching videos I came across a karate style called Ashihara (hope I spelt it right) Karate. I wanted to bring your notice to it.
Miyagi was most likley a buddist(the next karate kid) who fought in WW2, he saw or did stuff that effected him to be More passive. They did get the history right about Okinawa having to be brutal Vs invading forces. Love your break down!!
There was clashes In my karate dojo group (there were 4 schools) because of division between the instructors. Some wanted to include Tae Kwon Do techniques into our Tang So Do training. Learn the different kicks and high kicks. Different Katas. Two instructors always got into arguments about it. Sometimes joking, sometimes not. Once said Tae Kwon Do was a sport not an art like Tang So Do. Said it was soft and not practical. The students would be worse fighters because of learning it. One school would make fun of the other school. Told them to change dojo name to Tae Kwon Do. Big waste of time all the in fighting and politics.
In many ways, I have learned a lot from the Karate Kid movies. It makes perfect sense that Daniel was taught the softer elements of Miyagi Do/Goju Ryu because he was hot headed. My early training in Tae Kwon Do was focused on the harder elements of training. Now in my early 50's, I have been embracing the softer elements of the arts. Cobra Kai is a very well thought out series.
This is a great video to describe how martial arts styles change from generation to generation. I've practiced goju ryu for years, but my style has its differences with the goju ryu practiced in okinawa.
I loved this video :D I think everyone could feel what is it about. Just walk into a different dojo from the same style you learn :D It happened to me when I went to university and wanted to continue my Shotokan training so I looked up for one and had a class in that town... Gosh it was like a different art!
A new episode was coming, that's for sure...I just didn't know what the topic was going to be yet until I watched season 3 and this lesson just popped out to me.
@@barrettokarate you are absolutely right of which, I believe that he went with the word 'Do' (道) in Japanese meaning the way, as Karate is usually identified in most cases especially in mainland Japan and in the West with the 'Do' rather than that word 'Ryu' (流) which in this context with such a kanji means style. So to call it Miyagi-Ryu Karate would not have sounded so marketable, as does Miyagi-Do Karate. Karate can also be called Karate Jutsu (空手術) literally meaning empty hand skill however again it would not have sounded as marketable, instead reserved for other martial arts styles such Jujutsu, Ninjutsu, Bojutsu and so forth. Even Judo (柔道) which stems from Japanese Jujutsu (柔術) decided to change the last word to 'Do' instead of Jutsu thus instead becoming the 'Gentle Way' Judo, as opposed to its original parent art of Jujutsu meaning 'Gentle Art'. So in the end martial arts styles in Japan would either choose to be either a 'Do' meaning Way, a 'Ryu' meaning style or a 'Jutsu' meaning art based on their creators' personal, philosophical outview to martial arts and so forth.
LOL well....January 1 my wife woke me up and said "Happy Cobra Kai Day!". My Mom and Sister were staying with us that weekend and my Wife told them that this is "Second Christmas" for me. I don't deny it. I got so into it and it was a total roller coaster for me, especially when the Okinawa callbacks started. So yes...it is a holiday for me :D
No matter what style we begin our training in, we each evolve into our own martial artist. We usually don't become just like our instructor, instead we focus on certain aspects of their teachings more than others, and along the way we pick up techniques that they were never exposed to. We might attend seminars with other instructors, or train at other schools or in other styles, so over time we differentiate. One area where this is very noticeable is in the form Bassai (Bassai Dae). Many styles and schools teach this form, each in their own way, but ultimately it is considered a "personal expression" form, where each student performs it a little differently, and that's okay. That shows the martial artist they are developing into.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on how the martial arts evolve through each individual practitioner. Even within the same style, my own dojo, I have observed from experience how different teachers have their own particular set of values from the art which they tend to focus on or favor when instructing a class. I feel like this is how it should be when we become experienced in the art and begin to make it a part of who we are, it's only natural. I'm still hyped about Cobra Kai, and re-watching it again, because I learn so much from the lessons, and the show itself is really inspiring! But it extends beyond just being a great martial arts show, being entertaining enough for any casual viewer to enjoy and gain something from. I can't tell you how many non martial artists I've gotten to watch the show, and they all love it!! So being a karate ka, I feel a special connection with the show. Anyway, it's awesome you made another video related to the Cobra Kai series! I love your Miyagi Do shirt btw! Gonna have to get me one!
Great breakdown tying in real life examples, such as Gichin Funakoshi and his son emphasizing aspects of Shotokahn that matches their individual preference.
It makes you wonder if Miyagi didn’t teach Daniel the other side of the art because he didn’t know what he was capable of with that knowledge, like Chozen said “maybe he didn’t think you were ready”. It also puts Robbie’s no mercy incident into context now in that it’s not the art to blame but what the person chooses to do with the art.
Very possible. I also wonder if Miyagi himself ever learned it. He left when he was 18 and came to America...would his Father have taught him the lethal stuff before 18? Chozen hadn't learned it yet in Karate Kid 2 so Sato clearly showed him later when he felt Chozen was mature enough. I think it's entirely possible Miyagi didn't learn the brutal stuff. Or maybe he did and chose not to teach it after serving in World War II.
I was thinking as I was watching this video that the art should fit the individual, not the other way around. And what is interesting from what I have experienced is that even in your own style, there are different methods of teaching. Very cool! Thanks for sharing the video. Really enjoyed it!
I loved the moment when Daniel realized that Mr. Miyagi didn't teach some of the stuff he learned because a highschool in Southern California is not the same as a midieval warzone. There's a context to everything. My first teacher taught a combination of Shaolin Long Fist with a few Praying Mantis path forms. There was none of the philosophy of Mantis, just a couple of the forms, but I was fascinated. Then when I went to college I met a guy that knew Northern Seven Star Praying Mantis. The forms were a little different, but the philosophy was very different. We got together three times a week for about six months and would spar and/or talk and run drills. Every drill he taught had two versions: one where it was continuous, so one of us would start and then the other would counter and reply, and then we're on the other side doing the same thing except the other is attacking. Then there was the version where you "really did it," in which case he always made clear that the targets were sensitive points: elbows, eyes, temples, knees, throat... There was never just a "and then you hit them," it was always, "and then you try to break the knee." So finally I asked, "So what if you didn't want to disable or seriously injure your opponent?" His reply was classic. He got a very confused look on his face and asked, "Why wouldn't you want to seriously injure your opponent?" That's when I realized that this style wasn't really for me.
@G G I think that that particular person's teaching style wasn't for me. I picked up a lot from him that I used in teaching exactly because it was effective. But I never taught my students to start a fight with the idea that bones needed breaking.
What you said about passing down and division in Karate can be seen in other other style's of martial arts and in outside the realm of martials. This includes Science and Technology to Cooking! I think you did a great job.
Mmmm very good mr dan-son!!! Next video start early 6 o clock!!! It's amazing how the values of the martial arts are forgotten....the way of budo is very important as everyone takes a different path...but it gets all messed up like you said because of politics...I'm in Springfield Illinois and it is terrible here for the karate community
There was one time when Miyagi showed a more aggressive style. In Karate Kid 3 when he faced off with Barns, Silver, and Creese. With Barns and Silver he just used their momentum against them, but with Creese he actually showed some aggression, and I think it was because he was angry but still showed restraint. Also; he had the best entrance throwing Barns threw the front door.
@@ArtofOneDojo it’s funny cause I never noticed that when he first squared up with Silver he was in a fight stance, but when Creese stepped in Miyagi lowered his guard, which just shows he didn’t see Creese as a real threat, and the expression on his face was almost annoyed.
@@robertnguyen9493 Yeah I love the body language. Also, to support your point...Miyagi USUALLY deflects an attack and the stays on the defensive...but notice when he gets Kreese to the ground Miyagi goes for a power shot, offensively to finish it while Kreese is still laying there before he rolls out of the way. Very unlike Miyagi to go for a strike like that. He'd had enough!
@@ArtofOneDojo I noticed that he went for that finishing shot while Kreese was on the ground. Not quite as extreme as Chozen trying to double stomp Daniel into the ground Enter the Dragon style, but yeah he was fed up. Also kinda wanna see Chozen return in season 4 and face off with Kreese.
If you had a chance to spar with William Zabka sama, and Ralph Macchio sama, I am quite sure that you would win since you teach Kenpo on a regular basis.
You need to do two more cobra kai videos. One that really digs into the dichotomy of mindset that is expressed between Miagi do and Cobra kai. Miagi do having the mindset of martial arts for peace time and Cobra kai having the mindset of martial arts for war. Because if you strip out the the technique and skill all you are left with is mindset. The cool thing about this subject is they are both right and both wrong. Because if a man cant stand, can't breathe, or can't see they can't fight. And when you are fighting for your life against multiple opponents you don't have time to not be ruthless. But in peace time being ruthless and lethal are completely unnecessary and overkill. This mindset is prevalent between not only the dojos but also the dealerships and translates into the business tactics and even use of law. The other is the bad decision paradox. Where every bad decision seems to not only delay resolution, but also leads into more conflict later. And emphasize the most important battle is the one between your ears. You can even use enough and red belt as reference sources.
Thanks for commenting about the Shotokan differences between Gichin and Gigo Funakoshi. I often wonder if Gichin felt forced to change. Looking at old books of Shotokan there are big changes in what he originally taught and what the art became. I know a large part of the changes came from Gigo and students. But I feel that changes were made to possibly get more acceptance in Japan. It's interesting though that this didn't seem to occur in Shito Ryu, Goju Ryu, or Motobu Ryu. BTW if you can do a video on the fighting style of Choki Motobu. Some of his applications remind me of WW2 Combatives. Wanted to let you know that I know that people have criticized you in the past about your weight. It's unfortunate that they have made these comments. I wanted to let you know that you look like you have slimmed down and getting in great shape.
Some lovely points raised in the video. I would suggest - regarding Miyagi-Do Karate - that there are definitely elements of Shito Ryu portrayed in there as well as Goju Ryu but like you say, it's entertainment and there is always room for artistic licence. :0) It's definitely a shame that divisions between styles and arts are so easily developed. We should all come together and learn from each other.
That makes sense because a lot of the show is about the current generation being effected by the conflicts of the past generation. There is four generations if you count Miyagi's father and Kreese and Silver's commander.
Thanks! It's a tiny, tiny yard and we were also in the process of prepping it for new grass so it was all dirt at the time of filming, so this was quite literally the ONLY usable angle lol. We have grass in there now and it looks better and more future videos will take place outside...but it's still tiny. Can't fix that lol.
It was insightful of you to notice all these parallels between the show and the evolution of Karate , as they're very interesting and add further depth to the show. Thanks for making this video to discuss them in detail. 👍 If you're in touch with the show runners, it would be worth asking them if they agree with your analysis, to confirm that was indeed their intention, but in the unlikely even that they're accidental/coincidental, your observations are still valid and illuminating.
Another thing I love about Cobra Kai is how they address the martial arts and the issue of cultural appropriation. When Daniel got roasted for his commercial, he got called a racist! I've had this happen to me! I took Tang So Doo which is Korean. I had a Korean flag in my apartment. Had a flag on my Gi. SJW's would accuse me of "cultural appropriation." Told me I had no right to Korean marital arts because I was white! I was stealing their culture! SMH! Also when Chozen at first got angry when Daniel wanted to look at the scrolls. "You can't have that, you're a foreigner." This happens in real life also. Some Koreans visited my dojo and they were doing katas and sparing techniques I never saw before. Some were lower belts than me. I asked my instructor if we would be taught that. He said no, only the Koreans learned that. I was lucky to even watch them train! Let alone have them teach me their "secret" techniques."
Do you want to also remember that Chosen and Johnny and all those guys had more experience with the karate and Daniel didn't have as much but he did have quality not a lot of quantity like mr. Miyagi said !
That reminded me of something Bruce Lee said. Something like "Don't fear the one who has practiced 10,000 different kicks one time. Fear the one who has practiced 1 kick 10,000 times."
When I used to teach I tried to treat my school as a semi-confederation. Your there cause you wanted to be there. We avoided politics and worked together. A win/win for all.
Good to see that your styles hypothesis, on which both Cobra Kai and Miyagi-Do Karate, are both based, proved to be decisively correct, by the Cobra Kai series show creators Sensei Dan! I wonder if in a future episode, you might do a review of the first 'No Retreat No Surrender ' film, then compare it to the first Karate Kid film as well. The reason why I mentioned it, is because No Retreat No Surrender, with Jean Claude Van Damme, Kurt McKinney and the legendary Karate and world kickboxing champion, Pete 'Sugarfoot' Cunningham, was pretty much an indirect remake of the Karate Kid film part one, however with a Hong Kong martial arts action crew, directed by Corey Yuen Kwai who was responsible for the action scenes of the Matrix films with Keanu Reeves. Though somewhat cheesy with supposedly Bruce Lee's ghost coming back to teach the film's main protagonist, against the film's main bullies, prior to him facing the true villain of the film at the end, martial arts wise, it embarrasses the Karate Kid films. My let down with the Karate Kid films and current Cobra Kai series, though I do enjoy them immensely from a dramatic, storyline perspective, the action sequences have never been to my satisfaction. So as is usually the case with Hollywood A grade action films, the so called action or martial arts sequences have always been atrocious, while Hong Kong, Japanese, Thai etc action films, along with Hollywood B grade action films the martial arts usually superb, while the acting just acceptable. For me personally the Karate Kid and Cobra Kai series, always lacked the perfect balance between dramatic dialogue, along with visually enthralling, superb martial arts choreographed sequences. Looking forward to your following Karate Kid films and Cobra Kai related videos, Osu!🇲🇽🇦🇺🙏🥋👍✌🤟😊
From one fan of Cobra Kai to another I agree with your assessment. Ali is right Johnny and Daniel are more alike than different. Yes they are learning to get along. Daniel going to Okinawa was important to recenter himself and to learn. There is only one Karate and there are many Karates. How can this be, one might ask. We all practice Karate in that all contain stances, blocks, strikes, etc. We might practice what is called a style such as Goju Ryu, Tang Soo Do, etc. But ultimately whatever type of style we train in we eventually have our own individual style that forms over time. This style will be your's and your's alone. This is a natural part of life. Think of how water continues to branch off into smaller and smaller sections. Think of how what you learned from your parents was a combination of what each parent learned from there two parents. If you marry and have a child then that child will learn knowledge, ways, and traditions from both you and your spouse. This will go on and on.
A buddy and I have been talking about starting up a new podcast to cover the Karate Kid and Cobra Kai from a more in-depth lore perspective, going into the history, background, and culture behind the series. We also plan to really cover the fighting and philosophies behind Miyagi-Do and Cobra Kai. If you're at all up for it, would you be interested in joining us for a future episode?
I have a different theory about Miyagi and Sato. Miyagi left Okinawa when he was 18, so it's possible he never finished his training. Also as far as the style, *spoiler* when Chozen is teaching Daniel the pressure points that seems a lot like kyusho jitsu. Kyusho jitsu is often called the secret side of karate, and is said to reveal the hidden techniques found in all kata.
Interesting...it's also possible that because Miyagi left....he may not have been around TO LEARN the more aggressive stuff. It's possible Mr. Miyagi didn't even learn them to begin with.
I still liked the theory that Sato taught Kreese and Silver. Ive taken Tang Soo Do for 10 years. Ive accepted that Cobra Kai is supposed to be Tang Soo Do, but it doesnt look anything like it. Also, Kreese refers to his school as a dojo instead of a dojang. Tang Soo Do practicioners dont refer to their school as a dojo. Tang Soo Do has very specific stances. None of them are seen in the Karate Kid movies or Cobra Kai. There are also specific hand techniques in TSD like neck attack, knife hand, and middle knuckle punch. None of the Cobra Kai practioners do any of those techniques. All I see is jabber punch.
Something to consider. Not sure if it’s been said but If you look on Johnny’s left leg in Karate Kid, he wears the fist patch that Chozen wears. There’s theory that Sato trained Kreese and Silver as well at some point.
I've heard the Sato training Kreese and Silver theory, but I'm not sure how much stock I put into it. Kreese seems extremely informal about the art, concentrating more on the business and combat aspect of it. The patches could literally be just for show. My first school had a counter full of a ton of patches that we could buy and put on on our uniform. I wore a Shotokan Tiger patch on my heart for 3 years without knowing it was from another art. Johnny doesn't give the indication that the culture and symbology mean much to him. So honestly I think Cobra Kai just let students wear flashy patches. It may also have been an easter egg nod of acknowledgement to screenwriter Robert Mark Kamen.
The goju-kai patch on some of their pant legs was likely just a nod to Robert Mark Kamen as Dan mentioned. An inside thing among the cast and crew or "Easter egg" for actual goju-ryu/kai stylists watching the movie. Lawrence also wore a shorin-ryu patch. Does that mean that shorin-ryu is another system that Kreese learned? He's also wearing a generic Korean style patch. The other Cobra Kai had other patches. Back in the 1980s and 90s, it was common for schools to award random patches to students for tournament wins and sew them on their pants. I wore the same shorin-ryu patch Lawrence had as well as the shotokan tiger (and I practice neither) and some random school's patch among others. People are going a bit crazy with some of these conspiracy theories. I'm sure Kamen (and Avildsen if still alive) would probably get a chuckle.
I am not a movie director nor do I pretend to be. Those views on how Sato recognized Myagi's instruction to Daniel or Chozen's lack of recognition are enlightening. To think that the director of KK2 all the way back in 1986 designed those reactions, not scripted lines, but reactions from those actors, even as they were in the background of a scene, is astounding. I have a whole new respect for what directors or writers have to sort out on these projects. Its not like they knew there would be a Cobra Kai series thirty some years later, and that their content would have to be continuous. Just some really good attention to detail that I wouldn't think to incorporate.
I love watching background stuff, so much detail to pick up on if the filmmakers are good. The director of Karate Kid directed all 3 Films so there is good continuity between them. But for background stuff, I love watching the background of the Daniel vs Johnny fight of the tournament, you can see Mrs. Larusso having a fit because Miyagi allowed Daniel back out to fight. Watch that scene again, when they announce "Daniel Larusso is going to fight!" You see her chewing Miyagi out, and the entire fight she's jumping and flinching. Every time Daniel gets hit, she leans over and taps Miyagi and grills him again. I love watching background things like that.
@@ArtofOneDojo wow. I never saw that either. I'm not the most observant though. Still, its an impressive amount of care pertaining to "wallpaper". I'm sure all good movies have this going on. I just have to watch movies over and over to begin to peel those layers. Thanks for responding, by the way.
@@markbrowning4334 Here is when they announce he's going to fight...it's quick but look in the background you see Daniel's Mom giving Miyagi grief: ruclips.net/video/XRGnp6zzR4g/видео.html And here you can see her squirming in the background and when Johnny kneels and chops Daniel you see her lean over and tap Miyagi again. You can just HEAR the "I told you so!" ruclips.net/video/XRGnp6zzR4g/видео.html
@@ArtofOneDojo that's some blink and you'll miss it stuff, but her acting really sells that she could actually be his mom. She earned her pay for her efforts.
Interesting question...it would depend on if the name "Cobra Kai" was trademarked under the class of Karate Dojo. It's trademarked for movies and TV, but it would also have to be registered in the field of martial arts as well. That being said, there actually IS a Karate school out there using the name and logo so that makes me wonder if THEY grabbed the trademark for martial arts or if they are paying a licensing fee.
I agree with the whole chozen and daniel are the actual foils as opposed to johnny thing They study an even more closely related (perhaps even the same) style yet were opposites in how they approached it Although i will say that both kreese AND sato could be foils to miyagi (at least before sato and miyagi made up)
Miyagi's father would be the Soke, head of family/ryuha, not the grandmaster. The split between Chozen and Daniel is that of Jutsu and Do, the art and the way. Jutsu is concerned with warfare, martial application, whereas Do is more about character, self improvement, and self defense. The goal is different, the tools are similar. Having studied, and taught, both Do and Jutsu of the same art, I must say that they are functionally similar but produce drastically different martial artists. This is in regards to the outlook and performance of the practitioner. Contempararily both versions are generally firm in their curriculum and style, hesitant to take techniques from others even if they are effective. Though in practice is is the students of Jutsu who readily learn from other styles to achieve their goals. This goes back to the mindset and end goals, self improvement and defense versus lethal efficiency.
I am glad that you have taught both the Art and the Way of your style. In the school I belong to we have spent to many years on the way and not covering the Art, our master and Soke is old and not in very good health, and fell that we may lose the Art. Their are some of us that are trying to piece the Art back together from old students and schools my school came from.
@@clarencesheets3163 It can be difficult learning jutsu from sensei who either don't know it well themselves, or disagree with the mindset. I struggled, and still do, with keeping my do calm and stylized, too much concern for nage waza and aggressive ki . If you and your fellow students have managed to recapture the old ways, I congratulate you. That is no easy task.
This is an interesting perspective and I agree with you completely. I'm in a little bit of a self journey on this. I mentioned in another video that I was exploring the Kenpo "Freestyle" techniques because they are more of an offensive set of combinations instead of defensive. I've always felt my offense and advancing techniques were lacking compared to my defense so I'm experimenting with it and trying to practice more aggressive concepts.
I agree, chozen n daniel are very traditionalist, so their karate would be almost identical. Only their teaching would differ. Spolier alert Their fight scene was good, and the way chozen grabbed daniels nose and hinked was a nice nostalgic moment from KKpart2.
Great analysis and is 100 true i am a started I always knew it was more Kenpo that my master teach me and when I find out something that I know I call it tradicional. Now when I teach I tech everything they teach me from my 2 arts but I did tell me students I like it more this way because .... but this is the complete picture that I know but it can be even more so be aware and be open mind
I still believe the origin of karate is white crane boxing its splintered from shaolin kung fu like many other styles as it traveled different directions it took on different methods and shapes different masters performed different techniques which they become famous for so naturally the style was named after them
I'm in Wing Chun, and yes, the politics and variation are crazy. Lots of "we have the real art, those guys are mislead " And also, I friggin Love the show. It real represents martal arts well.
Great show and lots of info, I wonder do you ever consider visit Dojos in the U.S.A and make interviews and see their teaching ways and their thoughts. Of course after all this Pandemic is gone. Just brain storming , Continue your great job....Oss
Yes! This was actually something we were getting ready to do last March...right as the pandemic hit and we had to put the idea on hold, but yes, it is something we want to do for sure.
Great analysis! I really think that the writers and showrunners of "Cobra Kai" really put a lot of work into the story development, which is why it's such a great show. BTW, I love your new opening splash -- it has a bit of Marvel feel to it! And I have that exact same Wavemaster bag that I got when they first came out in 1995. (I haven't emptied the water since I first filled it up -- it's probably an environmental hazard now!)
Those wavemasters are awesome, I also believe I got this one around 95 or 96. Mine however, does NOT have the original water. It split a long time ago around 98-99. The stem cracked up the seam so when you kick it it sprays water. We tried fixing it and sealing it and it just never held. But it still functions for what it's meant for, so for the past 20 years it gushes when you hit it. I just pretend it's bleeding lol. Too dark? :D
So since we both like production there is a little technical error that bothers me. Spoiler just in case you didn't finish season 3... When Kreese and Daniel go through the window, the glass shatters like it's tempered glass (which is kinda strange for a storefront window). Kreese then grabs a shard (and there seems to be a few of them together). Tempered glass doesn't break in a way that you can have a shard like that. If he grabbed a clump it would have crumbled in his hand. And the shard totally looked like plastic or resin. Plus in the wide shot you can clearly see there are no large pieces, only little glass beads that tempered glass breaks into. Tiny detail but it bothered me.
Hiya, been a big fan of your channel (but only just subscribed) Question for you, do you think that you can learn martial arts online? I'm due to test for a coloured belt soon but my country is in another lockdown so all our training is now online. Doesn't feel right. I am considering taking a step back from the belt test and do it properly in the dojo, when we are allowed back. I would appreciate your opinion on this. BTW 'Hiya' is a way we say hello in Scotland. It's not a poor attempt at making a hollywood-esque karate chop noise :D
3 questions posed for a future video: 1. [SPOILERS] At the end of s3, Johnny and Daniel agree to train a combined group of students together. However, two sensais, two different arts. How do you train students with TWO arts? I have a Father in Law who told me it is possible to learn multiple arts at the same time, it’s up to the student what they want to use in the moment, but my head spins at just how overwhelming this is to ME let alone young students. Kicks, stances, punches, blocking techniques, all must have their own (for lack of a better word) finesse to them. How do you think Daniel and Johnny can find a middle ground in what they teach? 2. Did any of the items in Chozen’s dojo have any basis in reality (even historical) or were they just props and Easter eggs? 3. Do you think the creators watched your earlier videos on the subject because damn I sure do. [bonus question] where did those nerve strikes come from?
I can consider if these can be done in a video, but I have early opinions. 1) I think we're going to see a LOT of conflict between them...Johnny is going to be brash and rude and it's going to rub Daniel the wrong way, but in the end it's similar to him and Chozen...Johnny brings the offense, Daniel has the defense. Their students will be confused, but they'll benefit. 2) I wanted to go back and look more, but I noticed another photo of Chojun Miyagi and also a vase that looks a lot like an urn. If it's an urn...is it Sato? Or is it Miyagi's Father? (He said Sato gave him all of Miyagi artifacts so it could be either one). OR....maybe it's Chozen's Father? Sato was his Uncle, which means Sato had a brother or a sister and we have zero information on Chozen's family. 3) I sure hope so and it FEELS like they are :) Bonus) I think they are some form of Dim Mak techniques.
When I heard Tang Soo Do in third season, I instantly thought of this channel and smiled with a sense of victory!
Agreed. I just wish they had named Goju outright for Miyagi Do.
Me too. I immediately went on this channel and commented about the revelation soon as I saw it
Me too! This is an awesome channel!
No, Tang Soo Do is Korean, can't just slap karate on it for it to be karate a japanese word and art...also we know COBRA KAI do TSD, Miyagi do is Japanese/Okinawa Karate. Gojo ryu most likely. No victory there.
@@petermcnallt12pm the sense of victory was because the discussion about Cobra Kai practicing TSD was "officially" over. It had nothing to do with TSD vs Karate, and it was just a joke.
Mr. Miyagi was also a war veteran. He's seen and lived through enough death and violence. It shaped his view of life and thus Martial Arts he practiced and taught to his hot-headed student. That's what I got from the franchise and its spin-off.
When I saw they mentioned "Tang Soo Do" I said "Ha! I watched a video about it. So it WAS true." Did you consider that the writers actually watch YT videos about Karate Kid and it shapes their writing? Maybe they saw your video, and decided to add that to the show.
I do have to wonder. They definitely referenced "Daniel is the Real Bully" RUclips video in the first episode of season 3, so I do wonder (and hope) they watch :)
It's hard not to get that impression.
I thought about that too! But I think production of season 3 was actually done before the Tang So Do-theories hit YT. Maybe they added more scenes after Netflix got involved though!
@@shattereddnb3268 Nope, I posted that analysis in 2018 right after Season 1 and I repeated it again later that same year and I've mentioned it a few times since, well before Season 3 went into production. I also mentioned that Chojun Miyagi was their Grandmaster back in 2018 right after Season 1 and suddenly his picture starts popping up in Season 2 and 3. Hmmmm.... :D
@@ArtofOneDojo Oh, I stand corrected! It would be kinda awesome if AoOD actually did influence Cobra Kai!
I also like how Daniel makes the remark " I wish all rivalries can end this way"
Definitely! The world would be a better place if we could honk each other's noses.
My favorite part of the 3rd season were the interactions with Chozen and how much he evolved. His dialogue I thought was so vital showing how much he had grown and learned as a person and karate student. Not to mention the nose grab was a nice little touch between them in the show
I liked it too, though I wish they had devoted more than an episode or two to his arc. I used to think Chozen was completely irredeemable. Love knowing that Sato, himself seeing the light, was there for his nephew. Would love to see more of his story fleshed out in later seasons.
@@Bastion83 That's a good point, and I would love to see more of him. However, I think Chozen will be like Ali and have one episode for their respective characters. The way I see the show is learning and redemption from past mistakes, tying up loose ends, growing as people, and just becoming more complete. Karate Kid began with Daniel and Johnny. I believe it should end with them, and have them both come full circle. The rest of the characters just help them to achieve this. With Chozen and Ali, and Kumiko, don't be sad they're gone, be happy with what we had.
Tae Kwon do, Wing Chun, Jeet Kune Do and other arts all have changes or are taught depending on the teacher and what they prefer to teach or not to teach.
I like where Chozen shows Daniel the “Jutsu” of karate-do. In my experience that to often the Dō and sport side of karate is thought or some of the bare basics of karate-jutsu.
That's a very good way of describing it 😁
I literally jumped up in excitement when I heard Tang Soo Do and that was my first martial arts I left as a brown belt but had to move to Arizona, but I’m hoping to go back sooner or later to get my first degree right now I’m in Taekwondo working towards my 1st degree as well.
Conclusion is that these movies and series are extremely well written!
Indeed!
Always thought the look on Sato's face in that bar was quite telling. He knew exactly what he was looking at, he also most likely knew he was about to lose that bet.
Agreed!
Especially the way he honored the bet when Chozen didn't want to.
Whether a martial art is hard or soft, it depends on the personality of the practitioner. Most of the time, a teacher will pass down techniques that are suited for his students, whether in physique or mindset.
Sometimes, the art becomes softer due to life experience. If you are still hard-headed pass a certain age, you will some difficulties getting along and dealing with others in daily life.
I love the way the series has evolved... at the begining, we all thought that it was going to be about Daniel vs Johnny but then, with the introduction of Kreese, we know now that the real battle will be between good karate and bad karate (and I am not talking about in skills, but in value).
I think the final battle will be between a group of warring karate schools wrecking the neighbourhood and the police. ;-)
I think one of the reasons why Mr. Miyagi chose the softer side of the art is because of his military service. He was a WW2 veteran, a MOH recipient, and even said in the first movie when he was drunk that Miyagi kill many Germans. After all that, I am sure he didn’t want live a life of aggressiveness. Even more so the fact that he lost his wife and son while he was at war.
War changes you
You should research where Miyagi began. In Karate Kid 2 and Cobra Kai, they both state that the original Miyagi fell asleep while fishing and woke up on the coast of China and returned ten years later with Miyagi Karate.
Their Kata and even the Crane Kick and Drum Technique is very similar to what I learned in Northern Shaolin Kung Fu...
Reminds me of the philosophical differences in the way Ryu looks at fighting with Ansatsuken vs the way Akuma does in Street Fighter lore. Both trained in the same style and focused on different aspects of what they want in martial arts
True, but I also think that almost had more to do with Goken, Ryu's teacher. He saw what happened to Akuma and what his obsession turned him into and didn't want that for his students, so like Mr. Miyagi, he chose to be very careful and restrictive about what he taught.
Oh my god that nod Sato gave, you’re right he KNEW that move!
Great video! I personally have taken taekwondo from two different masters that share the same grandmaster and it is a 180 degree difference in how things are taught
I felt so happy when I saw the trailer of S3 because when Daniel was in okinawa and was sparring with Chozen, I was already thinking Chozen was the one to teach daniel kobudo and complete the Miyagi-do style by learning more offensive techniques. Like Chozen said “defense can take many form” and Daniel had to learn the “hard” side to unite it with his “soft” side. I’m glad you agree with that thought
Looks like u were right about Cobra Kai being tang soo do
“Someday you do own way”. Loved the video, that quote came to mind as soon as you mentioned teachers changing their art and taking what works for them
This video is awesome. They way you analize the split inside the karate that Mr. Miyagi, it is something I never realized
Sensei, after your videos I started to read more about Kyokushin. Including the infamous Kyokushin vs Muay Thai. While reading and watching videos I came across a karate style called Ashihara (hope I spelt it right) Karate. I wanted to bring your notice to it.
Miyagi was most likley a buddist(the next karate kid) who fought in WW2, he saw or did stuff that effected him to be More passive. They did get the history right about Okinawa having to be brutal Vs invading forces. Love your break down!!
There was clashes In my karate dojo group (there were 4 schools) because of division between the instructors. Some wanted to include Tae Kwon Do techniques into our Tang So Do training. Learn the different kicks and high kicks. Different Katas. Two instructors always got into arguments about it. Sometimes joking, sometimes not. Once said Tae Kwon Do was a sport not an art like Tang So Do. Said it was soft and not practical. The students would be worse fighters because of learning it. One school would make fun of the other school. Told them to change dojo name to Tae Kwon Do. Big waste of time all the in fighting and politics.
In many ways, I have learned a lot from the Karate Kid movies. It makes perfect sense that Daniel was taught the softer elements of Miyagi Do/Goju Ryu because he was hot headed. My early training in Tae Kwon Do was focused on the harder elements of training. Now in my early 50's, I have been embracing the softer elements of the arts. Cobra Kai is a very well thought out series.
This is a great video to describe how martial arts styles change from generation to generation. I've practiced goju ryu for years, but my style has its differences with the goju ryu practiced in okinawa.
I loved this video :D I think everyone could feel what is it about. Just walk into a different dojo from the same style you learn :D
It happened to me when I went to university and wanted to continue my Shotokan training so I looked up for one and had a class in that town... Gosh it was like a different art!
Man, awesome breakdown as always. Totally seeing how some of the arts has split over the generations.
I’ve been waiting for this
When I saw that moment in the show, I knew this video was coming. Thanks for the good talk! Take care, and stay safe!
A new episode was coming, that's for sure...I just didn't know what the topic was going to be yet until I watched season 3 and this lesson just popped out to me.
It still bugs me that they call it Miyagi do. It should really be “Miyagi Ryu Karate-Do.”
I've said that for years, but Robert Mark Kamen (goju-ryu stylist) called it "do" instead of "ryu" for some reason.
Becuase it is the Miyagi way. Not the Miyagi Style Karate way. Miyagi do teaches all aspects of life, not just karate
Miyagi-ha Goju-ryu Karate-Do
@@barrettokarate you are absolutely right of which, I believe that he went with the word 'Do' (道) in Japanese meaning the way, as Karate is usually identified in most cases especially in mainland Japan and in the West with the 'Do' rather than that word 'Ryu' (流) which in this context with such a kanji means style. So to call it Miyagi-Ryu Karate would not have sounded so marketable, as does Miyagi-Do Karate.
Karate can also be called Karate Jutsu (空手術) literally meaning empty hand skill however again it would not have sounded as marketable, instead reserved for other martial arts styles such Jujutsu, Ninjutsu, Bojutsu and so forth. Even Judo (柔道) which stems from Japanese Jujutsu (柔術) decided to change the last word to 'Do' instead of Jutsu thus instead becoming the 'Gentle Way' Judo, as opposed to its original parent art of Jujutsu meaning 'Gentle Art'.
So in the end martial arts styles in Japan would either choose to be either a 'Do' meaning Way, a 'Ryu' meaning style or a 'Jutsu' meaning art based on their creators' personal, philosophical outview to martial arts and so forth.
What about Miyagi-kan? Or Miyagi-kai? Definitely agree that Miyagi-do is a misnomer.
Sensei Dan, every time a new season and episode of the show premiers, you must be like a kid on Christmas morning
LOL well....January 1 my wife woke me up and said "Happy Cobra Kai Day!". My Mom and Sister were staying with us that weekend and my Wife told them that this is "Second Christmas" for me.
I don't deny it. I got so into it and it was a total roller coaster for me, especially when the Okinawa callbacks started.
So yes...it is a holiday for me :D
No matter what style we begin our training in, we each evolve into our own martial artist. We usually don't become just like our instructor, instead we focus on certain aspects of their teachings more than others, and along the way we pick up techniques that they were never exposed to. We might attend seminars with other instructors, or train at other schools or in other styles, so over time we differentiate. One area where this is very noticeable is in the form Bassai (Bassai Dae). Many styles and schools teach this form, each in their own way, but ultimately it is considered a "personal expression" form, where each student performs it a little differently, and that's okay. That shows the martial artist they are developing into.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on how the martial arts evolve through each individual practitioner. Even within the same style, my own dojo, I have observed from experience how different teachers have their own particular set of values from the art which they tend to focus on or favor when instructing a class. I feel like this is how it should be when we become experienced in the art and begin to make it a part of who we are, it's only natural.
I'm still hyped about Cobra Kai, and re-watching it again, because I learn so much from the lessons, and the show itself is really inspiring! But it extends beyond just being a great martial arts show, being entertaining enough for any casual viewer to enjoy and gain something from. I can't tell you how many non martial artists I've gotten to watch the show, and they all love it!! So being a karate ka, I feel a special connection with the show.
Anyway, it's awesome you made another video related to the Cobra Kai series! I love your Miyagi Do shirt btw! Gonna have to get me one!
Great breakdown tying in real life examples, such as Gichin Funakoshi and his son emphasizing aspects of Shotokahn that matches their individual preference.
It makes you wonder if Miyagi didn’t teach Daniel the other side of the art because he didn’t know what he was capable of with that knowledge, like Chozen said “maybe he didn’t think you were ready”. It also puts Robbie’s no mercy incident into context now in that it’s not the art to blame but what the person chooses to do with the art.
Very possible. I also wonder if Miyagi himself ever learned it. He left when he was 18 and came to America...would his Father have taught him the lethal stuff before 18? Chozen hadn't learned it yet in Karate Kid 2 so Sato clearly showed him later when he felt Chozen was mature enough. I think it's entirely possible Miyagi didn't learn the brutal stuff. Or maybe he did and chose not to teach it after serving in World War II.
I was thinking as I was watching this video that the art should fit the individual, not the other way around. And what is interesting from what I have experienced is that even in your own style, there are different methods of teaching. Very cool! Thanks for sharing the video. Really enjoyed it!
Great message to pass along for sure! every martial arts have their recipes but its the chefs that makes it their own dish :D
The message at the end is gold
I loved the moment when Daniel realized that Mr. Miyagi didn't teach some of the stuff he learned because a highschool in Southern California is not the same as a midieval warzone. There's a context to everything.
My first teacher taught a combination of Shaolin Long Fist with a few Praying Mantis path forms. There was none of the philosophy of Mantis, just a couple of the forms, but I was fascinated. Then when I went to college I met a guy that knew Northern Seven Star Praying Mantis. The forms were a little different, but the philosophy was very different. We got together three times a week for about six months and would spar and/or talk and run drills. Every drill he taught had two versions: one where it was continuous, so one of us would start and then the other would counter and reply, and then we're on the other side doing the same thing except the other is attacking. Then there was the version where you "really did it," in which case he always made clear that the targets were sensitive points: elbows, eyes, temples, knees, throat... There was never just a "and then you hit them," it was always, "and then you try to break the knee." So finally I asked, "So what if you didn't want to disable or seriously injure your opponent?" His reply was classic. He got a very confused look on his face and asked, "Why wouldn't you want to seriously injure your opponent?" That's when I realized that this style wasn't really for me.
@G G I think that that particular person's teaching style wasn't for me. I picked up a lot from him that I used in teaching exactly because it was effective. But I never taught my students to start a fight with the idea that bones needed breaking.
What you said about passing down and division in Karate can be seen in other other style's of martial arts and in outside the realm of martials. This includes Science and Technology to Cooking! I think you did a great job.
Mmmm very good mr dan-son!!! Next video start early 6 o clock!!!
It's amazing how the values of the martial arts are forgotten....the way of budo is very important as everyone takes a different path...but it gets all messed up like you said because of politics...I'm in Springfield Illinois and it is terrible here for the karate community
There was one time when Miyagi showed a more aggressive style. In Karate Kid 3 when he faced off with Barns, Silver, and Creese. With Barns and Silver he just used their momentum against them, but with Creese he actually showed some aggression, and I think it was because he was angry but still showed restraint.
Also; he had the best entrance throwing Barns threw the front door.
Oh yeah, those knees and elbows into Kreese were definitely an anger release...he'd had enough of that guy's nonsense.
@@ArtofOneDojo it’s funny cause I never noticed that when he first squared up with Silver he was in a fight stance, but when Creese stepped in Miyagi lowered his guard, which just shows he didn’t see Creese as a real threat, and the expression on his face was almost annoyed.
@@robertnguyen9493 Yeah I love the body language. Also, to support your point...Miyagi USUALLY deflects an attack and the stays on the defensive...but notice when he gets Kreese to the ground Miyagi goes for a power shot, offensively to finish it while Kreese is still laying there before he rolls out of the way. Very unlike Miyagi to go for a strike like that. He'd had enough!
@@ArtofOneDojo I noticed that he went for that finishing shot while Kreese was on the ground. Not quite as extreme as Chozen trying to double stomp Daniel into the ground Enter the Dragon style, but yeah he was fed up. Also kinda wanna see Chozen return in season 4 and face off with Kreese.
Maybe Bert being thrown through the window in episode 3 is a call back to when Barnes was thrown back into Kreese's dojo in KK3?
If you had a chance to spar with William Zabka sama, and Ralph Macchio sama, I am quite sure that you would win since you teach Kenpo on a regular basis.
The Kick where Johnny kicked Daniel in the face on Halloween in KK1 actually did connect.
Yup! Nearly knocked him out. They misjudged their distance.
@@ArtofOneDojo yes so very true.
Real life skill that the division of martial arts styles and schools teaches. Politics.
OUTSTANDING VIDEO! I love how you were able to break down the various dynamics within the series .. Great Job!
You need to do two more cobra kai videos.
One that really digs into the dichotomy of mindset that is expressed between Miagi do and Cobra kai. Miagi do having the mindset of martial arts for peace time and Cobra kai having the mindset of martial arts for war. Because if you strip out the the technique and skill all you are left with is mindset. The cool thing about this subject is they are both right and both wrong. Because if a man cant stand, can't breathe, or can't see they can't fight. And when you are fighting for your life against multiple opponents you don't have time to not be ruthless. But in peace time being ruthless and lethal are completely unnecessary and overkill. This mindset is prevalent between not only the dojos but also the dealerships and translates into the business tactics and even use of law.
The other is the bad decision paradox. Where every bad decision seems to not only delay resolution, but also leads into more conflict later. And emphasize the most important battle is the one between your ears. You can even use enough and red belt as reference sources.
Awesome job man! Particularly, about the soft and hard sides of karate with Miyagi and Sato
Thanks for commenting about the Shotokan differences between Gichin and Gigo Funakoshi. I often wonder if Gichin felt forced to change. Looking at old books of Shotokan there are big changes in what he originally taught and what the art became. I know a large part of the changes came from Gigo and students. But I feel that changes were made to possibly get more acceptance in Japan. It's interesting though that this didn't seem to occur in Shito Ryu, Goju Ryu, or Motobu Ryu. BTW if you can do a video on the fighting style of Choki Motobu. Some of his applications remind me of WW2 Combatives. Wanted to let you know that I know that people have criticized you in the past about your weight. It's unfortunate that they have made these comments. I wanted to let you know that you look like you have slimmed down and getting in great shape.
Some lovely points raised in the video. I would suggest - regarding Miyagi-Do Karate - that there are definitely elements of Shito Ryu portrayed in there as well as Goju Ryu but like you say, it's entertainment and there is always room for artistic licence. :0) It's definitely a shame that divisions between styles and arts are so easily developed. We should all come together and learn from each other.
That makes sense because a lot of the show is about the current generation being effected by the conflicts of the past generation. There is four generations if you count Miyagi's father and Kreese and Silver's commander.
Great perspective, Mr. Dan. Also, love the backdrop setting.. Mr. Miyagi would approve of the fence and foliage!
Thanks! It's a tiny, tiny yard and we were also in the process of prepping it for new grass so it was all dirt at the time of filming, so this was quite literally the ONLY usable angle lol. We have grass in there now and it looks better and more future videos will take place outside...but it's still tiny. Can't fix that lol.
Very inciteful! Very observant! Ty for showing me what I didn't see in the movies.
Really love your videos! Thanks!
It was insightful of you to notice all these parallels between the show and the evolution of Karate , as they're very interesting and add further depth to the show. Thanks for making this video to discuss them in detail. 👍
If you're in touch with the show runners, it would be worth asking them if they agree with your analysis, to confirm that was indeed their intention, but in the unlikely even that they're accidental/coincidental, your observations are still valid and illuminating.
Another thing I love about Cobra Kai is how they address the martial arts and the issue of cultural appropriation. When Daniel got roasted for his commercial, he got called a racist! I've had this happen to me! I took Tang So Doo which is Korean. I had a Korean flag in my apartment. Had a flag on my Gi. SJW's would accuse me of "cultural appropriation." Told me I had no right to Korean marital arts because I was white! I was stealing their culture! SMH! Also when Chozen at first got angry when Daniel wanted to look at the scrolls. "You can't have that, you're a foreigner." This happens in real life also. Some Koreans visited my dojo and they were doing katas and sparing techniques I never saw before. Some were lower belts than me. I asked my instructor if we would be taught that. He said no, only the Koreans learned that. I was lucky to even watch them train! Let alone have them teach me their "secret" techniques."
YES I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO!!!!!!
Do you want to also remember that Chosen and Johnny and all those guys had more experience with the karate and Daniel didn't have as much but he did have quality not a lot of quantity like mr. Miyagi said !
That reminded me of something Bruce Lee said. Something like "Don't fear the one who has practiced 10,000 different kicks one time. Fear the one who has practiced 1 kick 10,000 times."
Yo this video was posted on my birthday, also a very great analysis video. Subbed
Awesome both you and karate nerd made awesome on the point explanation of the show.
That’s true at my last dojo my sensi mixed some kung fu styles with his variant of karate
I really believe that this is why there is no grappling in some styles and no striking in some styles division
I clicked this faster than Danny’s crane kick 🏗 🦵
Love the video also nice new intro
When I used to teach I tried to treat my school as a semi-confederation. Your there cause you wanted to be there. We avoided politics and worked together. A win/win for all.
Wow thanks for the like Art of One Dojo!!!!!
May I just say, your explanation, knowledge, and humility are so very refreshing... I offer you my full respect sir... OSU, Jeff Kyokushin 🥋
Thank you Sir!
I loved the first video so much about the styles, I wondered while watching Cobra Kai wether or not they were influenced by it.
Wow!! This was an amazing and mindblowing video!!!
Good to see that your styles hypothesis, on which both Cobra Kai and Miyagi-Do Karate, are both based, proved to be decisively correct, by the Cobra Kai series show creators Sensei Dan!
I wonder if in a future episode, you might do a review of the first 'No Retreat No Surrender ' film, then compare it to the first Karate Kid film as well. The reason why I mentioned it, is because No Retreat No Surrender, with Jean Claude Van Damme, Kurt McKinney and the legendary Karate and world kickboxing champion, Pete 'Sugarfoot' Cunningham, was pretty much an indirect remake of the Karate Kid film part one, however with a Hong Kong martial arts action crew, directed by Corey Yuen Kwai who was responsible for the action scenes of the Matrix films with Keanu Reeves.
Though somewhat cheesy with supposedly Bruce Lee's ghost coming back to teach the film's main protagonist, against the film's main bullies, prior to him facing the true villain of the film at the end, martial arts wise, it embarrasses the Karate Kid films. My let down with the Karate Kid films and current Cobra Kai series, though I do enjoy them immensely from a dramatic, storyline perspective, the action sequences have never been to my satisfaction. So as is usually the case with Hollywood A grade action films, the so called action or martial arts sequences have always been atrocious, while Hong Kong, Japanese, Thai etc action films, along with Hollywood B grade action films the martial arts usually superb, while the acting just acceptable. For me personally the Karate Kid and Cobra Kai series, always lacked the perfect balance between dramatic dialogue, along with visually enthralling, superb martial arts choreographed sequences. Looking forward to your following Karate Kid films and Cobra Kai related videos, Osu!🇲🇽🇦🇺🙏🥋👍✌🤟😊
You make good points. I've learned a lot about my own style by cross-training.
From one fan of Cobra Kai to another I agree with your assessment. Ali is right Johnny and Daniel are more alike than different. Yes they are learning to get along. Daniel going to Okinawa was important to recenter himself and to learn. There is only one Karate and there are many Karates. How can this be, one might ask. We all practice Karate in that all contain stances, blocks, strikes, etc. We might practice what is called a style such as Goju Ryu, Tang Soo Do, etc. But ultimately whatever type of style we train in we eventually have our own individual style that forms over time. This style will be your's and your's alone. This is a natural part of life. Think of how water continues to branch off into smaller and smaller sections. Think of how what you learned from your parents was a combination of what each parent learned from there two parents. If you marry and have a child then that child will learn knowledge, ways, and traditions from both you and your spouse. This will go on and on.
A buddy and I have been talking about starting up a new podcast to cover the Karate Kid and Cobra Kai from a more in-depth lore perspective, going into the history, background, and culture behind the series. We also plan to really cover the fighting and philosophies behind Miyagi-Do and Cobra Kai. If you're at all up for it, would you be interested in joining us for a future episode?
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I have a different theory about Miyagi and Sato. Miyagi left Okinawa when he was 18, so it's possible he never finished his training. Also as far as the style, *spoiler* when Chozen is teaching Daniel the pressure points that seems a lot like kyusho jitsu. Kyusho jitsu is often called the secret side of karate, and is said to reveal the hidden techniques found in all kata.
Interesting...it's also possible that because Miyagi left....he may not have been around TO LEARN the more aggressive stuff. It's possible Mr. Miyagi didn't even learn them to begin with.
@@ArtofOneDojo Yeah, that was exactly my point. Maybe he did teach Daniel everything he learned, but Sato learned the complete art.
Thank you for your video. Best regards from France.
i used to train kyokushinkai and later taekwondo i find when mixing them it's baaad ass
it also helped out one of my kids
I still liked the theory that Sato taught Kreese and Silver. Ive taken Tang Soo Do for 10 years. Ive accepted that Cobra Kai is supposed to be Tang Soo Do, but it doesnt look anything like it.
Also, Kreese refers to his school as a dojo instead of a dojang. Tang Soo Do practicioners dont refer to their school as a dojo.
Tang Soo Do has very specific stances. None of them are seen in the Karate Kid movies or Cobra Kai. There are also specific hand techniques in TSD like neck attack, knife hand, and middle knuckle punch. None of the Cobra Kai practioners do any of those techniques. All I see is jabber punch.
It’s a Hollywood version
True. Just annoying that whenever i watch fights (real or fake) the practicioners seldom do anything that resembles their art.
It does look a LITTLE bit like it sometimes. I did a side by side in one of the episodes. ruclips.net/video/Ct9DqIrpAqk/видео.html
It's not traditional Tang Soo Do. It's American Tang Soo Do. It came out of the Chuck Norris schools in California.
I have a buddy, we both train together under the same teacher, but we both fight very different
There is no one size fits all for any martial artist. Everyone is going to take to different aspects.
your videos are brilliant. well done
:D If I am allowed to talk about Cobra Kai or the Karate Kid...I'm a happy camper!
Great video!
Something to consider. Not sure if it’s been said but If you look on Johnny’s left leg in Karate Kid, he wears the fist patch that Chozen wears. There’s theory that Sato trained Kreese and Silver as well at some point.
I've heard the Sato training Kreese and Silver theory, but I'm not sure how much stock I put into it. Kreese seems extremely informal about the art, concentrating more on the business and combat aspect of it. The patches could literally be just for show. My first school had a counter full of a ton of patches that we could buy and put on on our uniform. I wore a Shotokan Tiger patch on my heart for 3 years without knowing it was from another art. Johnny doesn't give the indication that the culture and symbology mean much to him. So honestly I think Cobra Kai just let students wear flashy patches. It may also have been an easter egg nod of acknowledgement to screenwriter Robert Mark Kamen.
The goju-kai patch on some of their pant legs was likely just a nod to Robert Mark Kamen as Dan mentioned. An inside thing among the cast and crew or "Easter egg" for actual goju-ryu/kai stylists watching the movie. Lawrence also wore a shorin-ryu patch. Does that mean that shorin-ryu is another system that Kreese learned? He's also wearing a generic Korean style patch. The other Cobra Kai had other patches. Back in the 1980s and 90s, it was common for schools to award random patches to students for tournament wins and sew them on their pants. I wore the same shorin-ryu patch Lawrence had as well as the shotokan tiger (and I practice neither) and some random school's patch among others. People are going a bit crazy with some of these conspiracy theories. I'm sure Kamen (and Avildsen if still alive) would probably get a chuckle.
Good observations and Annalis...
I am not a movie director nor do I pretend to be. Those views on how Sato recognized Myagi's instruction to Daniel or Chozen's lack of recognition are enlightening. To think that the director of KK2 all the way back in 1986 designed those reactions, not scripted lines, but reactions from those actors, even as they were in the background of a scene, is astounding. I have a whole new respect for what directors or writers have to sort out on these projects. Its not like they knew there would be a Cobra Kai series thirty some years later, and that their content would have to be continuous. Just some really good attention to detail that I wouldn't think to incorporate.
I love watching background stuff, so much detail to pick up on if the filmmakers are good. The director of Karate Kid directed all 3 Films so there is good continuity between them. But for background stuff, I love watching the background of the Daniel vs Johnny fight of the tournament, you can see Mrs. Larusso having a fit because Miyagi allowed Daniel back out to fight.
Watch that scene again, when they announce "Daniel Larusso is going to fight!" You see her chewing Miyagi out, and the entire fight she's jumping and flinching. Every time Daniel gets hit, she leans over and taps Miyagi and grills him again. I love watching background things like that.
@@ArtofOneDojo wow. I never saw that either. I'm not the most observant though. Still, its an impressive amount of care pertaining to "wallpaper". I'm sure all good movies have this going on. I just have to watch movies over and over to begin to peel those layers. Thanks for responding, by the way.
@@markbrowning4334 Here is when they announce he's going to fight...it's quick but look in the background you see Daniel's Mom giving Miyagi grief: ruclips.net/video/XRGnp6zzR4g/видео.html
And here you can see her squirming in the background and when Johnny kneels and chops Daniel you see her lean over and tap Miyagi again. You can just HEAR the "I told you so!" ruclips.net/video/XRGnp6zzR4g/видео.html
@@ArtofOneDojo that's some blink and you'll miss it stuff, but her acting really sells that she could actually be his mom. She earned her pay for her efforts.
Hypothetically speaking, if I opened up a dojo called cobra kai, could I be copyrighted
Interesting question...it would depend on if the name "Cobra Kai" was trademarked under the class of Karate Dojo. It's trademarked for movies and TV, but it would also have to be registered in the field of martial arts as well. That being said, there actually IS a Karate school out there using the name and logo so that makes me wonder if THEY grabbed the trademark for martial arts or if they are paying a licensing fee.
Thank you sir for your explanation 🙏🏼🙇🏼♂️🥋
I agree with the whole chozen and daniel are the actual foils as opposed to johnny thing
They study an even more closely related (perhaps even the same) style yet were opposites in how they approached it
Although i will say that both kreese AND sato could be foils to miyagi (at least before sato and miyagi made up)
Miyagi's father would be the Soke, head of family/ryuha, not the grandmaster.
The split between Chozen and Daniel is that of Jutsu and Do, the art and the way. Jutsu is concerned with warfare, martial application, whereas Do is more about character, self improvement, and self defense. The goal is different, the tools are similar.
Having studied, and taught, both Do and Jutsu of the same art, I must say that they are functionally similar but produce drastically different martial artists. This is in regards to the outlook and performance of the practitioner.
Contempararily both versions are generally firm in their curriculum and style, hesitant to take techniques from others even if they are effective. Though in practice is is the students of Jutsu who readily learn from other styles to achieve their goals. This goes back to the mindset and end goals, self improvement and defense versus lethal efficiency.
I am glad that you have taught both the Art and the Way of your style. In the school I belong to we have spent to many years on the way and not covering the Art, our master and Soke is old and not in very good health, and fell that we may lose the Art. Their are some of us that are trying to piece the Art back together from old students and schools my school came from.
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It can be difficult learning jutsu from sensei who either don't know it well themselves, or disagree with the mindset. I struggled, and still do, with keeping my do calm and stylized, too much concern for nage waza and aggressive ki . If you and your fellow students have managed to recapture the old ways, I congratulate you. That is no easy task.
This is an interesting perspective and I agree with you completely. I'm in a little bit of a self journey on this. I mentioned in another video that I was exploring the Kenpo "Freestyle" techniques because they are more of an offensive set of combinations instead of defensive.
I've always felt my offense and advancing techniques were lacking compared to my defense so I'm experimenting with it and trying to practice more aggressive concepts.
Watch Karate Kid 2. When the hurricane comes and Chozen refuses to help Daniel save the girl.. Chozen is actually wearing the Goju Ryu patch.
Goju Ree-U please 🥺 good call on those calls. I loved your previous theory videos ! Please keep 'em coming 😃
I agree, chozen n daniel are very traditionalist, so their karate would be almost identical. Only their teaching would differ.
Spolier alert
Their fight scene was good, and the way chozen grabbed daniels nose and hinked was a nice nostalgic moment from KKpart2.
Great analysis and is 100 true i am a started I always knew it was more Kenpo that my master teach me and when I find out something that I know I call it tradicional. Now when I teach I tech everything they teach me from my 2 arts but I did tell me students I like it more this way because .... but this is the complete picture that I know but it can be even more so be aware and be open mind
I still believe the origin of karate is white crane boxing its splintered from shaolin kung fu like many other styles as it traveled different directions it took on different methods and shapes different masters performed different techniques which they become famous for so naturally the style was named after them
FANTASTIC video 👏
I'm in Wing Chun, and yes, the politics and variation are crazy. Lots of "we have the real art, those guys are mislead "
And also, I friggin Love the show. It real represents martal arts well.
Now you have to cover Eagle Fang!
Bro I just finished this show!
It was great
Great show and lots of info, I wonder do you ever consider visit Dojos in the U.S.A and make interviews and see their teaching ways and their thoughts. Of course after all this Pandemic is gone. Just brain storming , Continue your great job....Oss
Yes! This was actually something we were getting ready to do last March...right as the pandemic hit and we had to put the idea on hold, but yes, it is something we want to do for sure.
Great analysis! I really think that the writers and showrunners of "Cobra Kai" really put a lot of work into the story development, which is why it's such a great show. BTW, I love your new opening splash -- it has a bit of Marvel feel to it! And I have that exact same Wavemaster bag that I got when they first came out in 1995. (I haven't emptied the water since I first filled it up -- it's probably an environmental hazard now!)
Those wavemasters are awesome, I also believe I got this one around 95 or 96. Mine however, does NOT have the original water. It split a long time ago around 98-99. The stem cracked up the seam so when you kick it it sprays water. We tried fixing it and sealing it and it just never held. But it still functions for what it's meant for, so for the past 20 years it gushes when you hit it. I just pretend it's bleeding lol. Too dark? :D
@@ArtofOneDojo LOL - that's perfect!
So since we both like production there is a little technical error that bothers me. Spoiler just in case you didn't finish season 3...
When Kreese and Daniel go through the window, the glass shatters like it's tempered glass (which is kinda strange for a storefront window).
Kreese then grabs a shard (and there seems to be a few of them together).
Tempered glass doesn't break in a way that you can have a shard like that. If he grabbed a clump it would have crumbled in his hand. And the shard totally looked like plastic or resin.
Plus in the wide shot you can clearly see there are no large pieces, only little glass beads that tempered glass breaks into.
Tiny detail but it bothered me.
@@ArtofOneDojo Yeah, it's like my Dad used to always say about movies with stuff like that - "it's in the script".
Hiya, been a big fan of your channel (but only just subscribed)
Question for you, do you think that you can learn martial arts online? I'm due to test for a coloured belt soon but my country is in another lockdown so all our training is now online.
Doesn't feel right. I am considering taking a step back from the belt test and do it properly in the dojo, when we are allowed back. I would appreciate your opinion on this.
BTW 'Hiya' is a way we say hello in Scotland. It's not a poor attempt at making a hollywood-esque karate chop noise :D
3 questions posed for a future video:
1. [SPOILERS] At the end of s3, Johnny and Daniel agree to train a combined group of students together. However, two sensais, two different arts. How do you train students with TWO arts? I have a Father in Law who told me it is possible to learn multiple arts at the same time, it’s up to the student what they want to use in the moment, but my head spins at just how overwhelming this is to ME let alone young students. Kicks, stances, punches, blocking techniques, all must have their own (for lack of a better word) finesse to them. How do you think Daniel and Johnny can find a middle ground in what they teach?
2. Did any of the items in Chozen’s dojo have any basis in reality (even historical) or were they just props and Easter eggs?
3. Do you think the creators watched your earlier videos on the subject because damn I sure do.
[bonus question] where did those nerve strikes come from?
I can consider if these can be done in a video, but I have early opinions.
1) I think we're going to see a LOT of conflict between them...Johnny is going to be brash and rude and it's going to rub Daniel the wrong way, but in the end it's similar to him and Chozen...Johnny brings the offense, Daniel has the defense. Their students will be confused, but they'll benefit.
2) I wanted to go back and look more, but I noticed another photo of Chojun Miyagi and also a vase that looks a lot like an urn. If it's an urn...is it Sato? Or is it Miyagi's Father? (He said Sato gave him all of Miyagi artifacts so it could be either one). OR....maybe it's Chozen's Father? Sato was his Uncle, which means Sato had a brother or a sister and we have zero information on Chozen's family.
3) I sure hope so and it FEELS like they are :)
Bonus) I think they are some form of Dim Mak techniques.
@@ArtofOneDojo yayyy you answered yayyy that made my day thank you!