@@snip105 as someone with zero knowledge about 40k, nice picture^^ f'kin decent! thanks for sharing, so this dude can make this videos and bring in new fans^^
The tragedy of the Iron Warriors lies in two main factors. The first is the character of Perturabo who has become more and more introverted because for years he has seen the Eye of Terror. The one time he talked about it, he discovered that on his adopted planet, he was the only one who saw it. From then on, he closed in on himself, becoming more and more bitter. The second is that Perturabo and his Legion were manipulated by Horus who, in the years before the Heresy was declared, sent the Iron Warriors on murderous campaigns. Horus stretched the legion's front line as much as possible, knowing full well that the introverted 18:05 forgave. This is why the Iron Warriors are indomitable and become petty. Loyalist Iron Warrior Dantioch embodies what this Legion could have been.
The Praeter probably had his orders, to take down Horus at any cost, even though he was the last soldier. Rogal Dorns homeworld, is one of my favorites, also that the space marines that stand in armor are truly brave. 5:25 The chaplain that guy gives the troops spiritual encouragement 11:10
Much love for your work, I can always sense the want to just nerd out on why you love certain factions, shows that level of enjoyment for the universe we all share
God I miss watching these videos. Would you consider doing a breakdown of “The Story of Rogal Dorn” by Warrior Tier? He gives a complete background of Dorns story. On another note, I think the Imperial Fists were the body guards to EM for a while before being replaced by the Custodes. Awesome vid man.
I really hate when they make Dorne look way older than the other primarchs. Most if them are drawn between the ages of thirty to fifty. Dorne ia often given this elderly appearance which makes him less intimidating.
...in another fan made movie about warhammer, they depicted the Apothecary Marine as an old man of about 90 years!!! But if you stop a moment and think about the lore of the game, it is often correct and normal to see and depict Space Marines older than 200 or 300 years!!! And also the Primarchs are older than 10000 years!!! Or am I wrong?
What does he say at 2:00 ? " So let it be war ? " I had the captions on another video with the same footage and it said " So let it be more " but to me So let it be WAR sounds just to much cooler. Love watching the titians spin up there cannons that would sound so sic. You could feel the sound in your chest if your brave enuff to fight with one or agaist it lol
Have you look up *warrior tier* videos I think you’d enjoy them has several custodies, iron warriors, imperial fist, death korps of Krieg, Jean stealers, etc
I think the Irom Cage isn't the embarrassing defeat for the firsts that people deem it as it is. The Warriors had the jump on the fists SO many times and yet they still failed to wipe them out to the point where if the Blueberries had not intervened, there would be no one to tell the tale of the Iron Cage. The battle HEAVILY favored the Warriors but the Fists *just wouldn't fuckin die.* I firmly believe that the Fists and the Warriors would have annihilated each other out the map if the Blueberries had not intervened. And I'll still give the W to the Fists because even if the enemy had the advantage-they fell into their trap-they still bled the Warriors dry.
If I remember correctly one of the reasons the Iron Warriors went traitor was they weren't given the respect they felt they had earned. They took on some of the most grueling battles and performed some of the most thankless and unwanted work. and all it got them was more work. They never really got thanks, they never really got glory, and they never really got honored for any of it, but if they failed oh boy were they made to know it. There's a story where the iron warriors, before perturabo ever meets them, are participating in a brutal war, they're given the order to retreat, and they refuse that order, instead pushing on and suffering massive casualties, but they do it, they win the battle, and what do they get for this triumph? scolded and yelled at for not following orders, despite other legions having done the same and being lauded for it. Perturabo didn't help but the problems existed long before he showed up, the iron warriors were basically tasked with the things the other legions just didn't want to do, because they would get it done. When he turned traitor he didn't even have half his legion in attendance because they were off doing guard duty on conquered imperial worlds, because again, no other legion wanted to do it, because there was no honor or glory in being a security guard, so it was handed off to the iron warriors. He and his legion still got no respect when they turned traitor, they probably got less, because Horus, despite Pertuabo being the reason they even got as far as they did, chose to hand over command to a far more incompetent person, and ordered perturabo to send his legion out as an assault team in what would have essentially been a suicide mission, so he gave Horus the finger and left him behind too, before leaving, sending orders to the legions to make them do stupid stuff and suffer massive casualties for it. The Iron Warriors are my favorite traitor legion, mostly because they probably have one of the best and most understandable reasons for turning traitor.
where are all these videos from, I know some of them from games and animated movies, but some of them I can't find and have no idea where they're from like this one and the death of hope unseen parts in another video which I hadnt seen before, I would love a reference list! thanks for the content
7:54 That is an Emperor class battleship, they serve as command centers and dedicated invasion/support vessels by using its strike/landing craft to support invading troops that it carries. With it's powerful sensors, computer system and communication arrays they can coordinate troops and other ships into a coherent force.
hell nooooo, to the no, no, no. helllll to the no. that ship aint 25 miles long homie. thats a strike cruiser at best. did u see how big the thunder hawks and drop pods looked as soon as they left the ship. that things about 2 milesi-sh long at best. emporer class BS's were either the 1st or 2nd largest ship of the line, 1st or 2nd to the gloriana class BS.
@@danielcampbell9457 do you know how hard it's to model scale when even the official sources disagree on dimensions, along with most of these models being cannibalised from other projects because its animated in SFM?
A set of Horus heresy movies would be amazing you would need a minimum of 2 but we all know HollyWood loves doing these things in 3s when needed or not but I wouldn’t mind if they did
Your channel gives me goosebumps lmao 🤣 when I see a notification I go straight to it I haven't been like this since game of thrones came out and house of dragons I'm steady Waiting for more series my boii 💯 for the great waaaaaaaghhh 😬
Conor would you break down the Echoes Of eternity Samguinious speech epic voice acting? It's really something else. The Angel addressing the defenders near Eternity gate during the last days of the Siege of Terra, is it ok to post a link from a different Channel here? Am not sure so I won't do it😂🦜 its 8 minutes long.
I hear ya, I also hate how they make him ( and his legion ) seem like everything is their fault. As shown, with the Imperial Fist. Connor, love you channel! I like the Imperial Fist, they always stayed true and his legoin was pure of heart and mind. The Imperial Fist , shouldn't be the scapegoat for all the other loyal legion. You agree, but will never will never say it. My # 1 Chapter is actually Black Templars.
I love these videos but my only issue/question is in the beginning shouldn't we hear chant/ candance songs and the Space Marine Chaplain(?) yelling prayers for the emperor, not only for his marines but for all to hear? I understand the argument for in-helmet communications, but that's in the field not here. I would be shocked if they didn't have a speaker setting for their comms.
I love the Iron Warriors. What was anyone expecting them to ultimately do after the sht show they were constantly thrust into. Like no sht man... Such great charectors or what.
Nice breakdon. Great bag,tempting... I never get why the civil war started? Yes the 40k universe is great story , and needed some spicy neww conflict but whe split the force of humanity againts itself ? For couple of grown super kids jealousy over their fathers love and the question if their father is real god or not??!! Such great imerium needs "god" to keep the simple masses in check and unity and give them some hope to carry on....
Basically Horus has the choice to die and let the Imperium live on or to accept chaos and promise the galaxy as a prize. His ego was too big to die and the lies of the Emperor were enough justification for him to switch. That being said I think that’s cope, he just didn’t want to die.
@@CounterpointsEh not exactly. He was kinda tricked into thinking the Emperor was gonna replace and or kill off some of his sons and legions, which Horus probably had good reason to believe given the mystery around the 2nd and 11th legions.
But why the thouusands upon thousands other space marines, primarchs and parts of their chapters split againts each other inside and kill brothers just because one egoist ais to scared and proud to die .....How in hell he would convice other Primarchs to join him?! Yes I know each has its own story and reason but its so sad and tragic and at the end chaos split in factions againts each other anyway ,human nature ..... So sad but I guess thats wwhy it is a good story.....
@@mikeszz5 The Word Bearers were already corrupt and spreading corruption to other legions at that point. 3 primarchs already hated the Emperor. The Emperor's children legion were falling to Slaanesh. The Iron Warriors harbored incredible resentment for how they had been treated. Horus was convinced the Emperor was planning to become a god, which ran counter to all that the crusade had been about, and gave him a means to turn the legions against the Emperor. All that said, the traitor legions still had to purge their members that stayed loyal.
@@mikeszz5 a lot of the primarchs actually disliked or hated the emperor in way or another. Hell most of the ones who stayed loyal only really did so because they saw the ruin a civil war would bring upon humanity. I think there were maybe…2 or 3 primarchs not counting Alpharius Omegon who actually made decisions out of loyalty towards the emperor.
I wish Horus didnt went Chaos but instead Abaddon betrayed him and the Imperium bringing All Sons of Horus with him while Horus left with few who is loyal to him to remake Luna Wolves Legion.
I just don’t like how small they look, it looks like there around 5’5 and the tallest is like 6’. It’s kinda sad seeing them look smaller then they really are :/
No entiendo como a este magnifico creador no lo contrata Gw ,la diferencia entre la herejia de horus y el asedio de los puños imperiales es abismal, Soda Z es un genio,si no lo fichan que le den licencia para trabajar pues realmente el capta la esencia del credo 40k, SOLO HAY GUERRA!!!
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Thanks for sharing my Garry’s mod picture ‘The Iron Cage’ 9:49 and ‘The Iron Cage (Update)’ 10:01.
Much appreciated to see you sharing them.
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@@CounterpointsI know it’s been a while but I’m been thinking I can join your discord and share my Garry’s mod pictures there if you’re ok with it
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@@snip105 as someone with zero knowledge about 40k, nice picture^^ f'kin decent!
thanks for sharing, so this dude can make this videos and bring in new fans^^
The tragedy of the Iron Warriors lies in two main factors. The first is the character of Perturabo who has become more and more introverted because for years he has seen the Eye of Terror. The one time he talked about it, he discovered that on his adopted planet, he was the only one who saw it. From then on, he closed in on himself, becoming more and more bitter. The second is that Perturabo and his Legion were manipulated by Horus who, in the years before the Heresy was declared, sent the Iron Warriors on murderous campaigns. Horus stretched the legion's front line as much as possible, knowing full well that the introverted 18:05 forgave. This is why the Iron Warriors are indomitable and become petty. Loyalist Iron Warrior Dantioch embodies what this Legion could have been.
Isolated not introverted.
random imperial fist seeing Horus wandering on a battlefield by himself
bet ima run his fade
The Praeter probably had his orders, to take down Horus at any cost, even though he was the last soldier.
Rogal Dorns homeworld, is one of my favorites, also that the space marines that stand in armor are truly brave. 5:25
The chaplain that guy gives the troops spiritual encouragement 11:10
I wish they created a AGE OF EMPIRES style game for Warhammer 40k. A RTS of this Universe would be insane
Dawn of War and Total War series are old but gold. Dawn of War is 40k. Total War is Fantasy.
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Much love for your work, I can always sense the want to just nerd out on why you love certain factions, shows that level of enjoyment for the universe we all share
God I miss watching these videos. Would you consider doing a breakdown of “The Story of Rogal Dorn” by Warrior Tier? He gives a complete background of Dorns story. On another note, I think the Imperial Fists were the body guards to EM for a while before being replaced by the Custodes. Awesome vid man.
Warriortiers Voice acting is on another level his gravitas is nerve rattling… he is my favorite loremaster next to amberking.
The Custodes were always there at the Emps side. Even at the reclamation of Terra.. his favorite creations.
@@Ranzoirthat channel isn't a real fan lol. So much of his lore is wrong it's insane to me that people don't call him out on it.
Nah, the Custodes were there before the Thunder Warrior even. Or if you meant in like writing-wise which I don't know, I can see that.
Perturabo decided not to change his legion, He continued to make statistics out of them.
10:42 man that pic goes hard
I really hate when they make Dorne look way older than the other primarchs. Most if them are drawn between the ages of thirty to fifty. Dorne ia often given this elderly appearance which makes him less intimidating.
We stan a silver fox on Counterpoints40K
they did The Lion dirty LOL, he strait up geriatric now.
What could be more intimidating than an old man in a profession were most die young?
Older means more expert and sage...
...in another fan made movie about warhammer, they depicted the Apothecary Marine as an old man of about 90 years!!! But if you stop a moment and think about the lore of the game, it is often correct and normal to see and depict Space Marines older than 200 or 300 years!!! And also the Primarchs are older than 10000 years!!! Or am I wrong?
(gasp!) how dare you love a chaos legion!
but seriously, I miss Sodaz's stuff
10:12 the ak bolter is nasty work lmao
What does he say at 2:00 ? " So let it be war ? " I had the captions on another video with the same footage and it said " So let it be more " but to me So let it be WAR sounds just to much cooler. Love watching the titians spin up there cannons that would sound so sic. You could feel the sound in your chest if your brave enuff to fight with one or agaist it lol
Let it be war for sure
2:55
"Breast feeding videos are my go-to!!!"
-Google translate Horus Lupercal
Do they have a chaos bag?
Not that I saw but they def have chaos merch. Link is in the description.
Have you look up *warrior tier* videos I think you’d enjoy them has several custodies, iron warriors, imperial fist, death korps of Krieg, Jean stealers, etc
At least the fists got the last laugh
Learned alot lately, roleplaying a Rogue Trader :) This video and breakdown.. Words.. Not enough.. Thank You :)
Epic.
The Black Templars are chief among the the Sons of Dorn, I mostly orbit the XIXth. U just can't deny the appeal of the Fists.
Many thanx 👍👍
What is the initial intro clip from? Can't find it but looks so good!
Astartes 2 trailer
"It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it." Good to watch from time to time but we have wars of our own unfortunately...
Holy Terra! I wish I had one of those sling carry mailer bags!
6:44 saddest dreadnought sounds ... Sounds hollow
Very cool imperial fists
Iron within Iron Without
I think the Irom Cage isn't the embarrassing defeat for the firsts that people deem it as it is.
The Warriors had the jump on the fists SO many times and yet they still failed to wipe them out to the point where if the Blueberries had not intervened, there would be no one to tell the tale of the Iron Cage. The battle HEAVILY favored the Warriors but the Fists *just wouldn't fuckin die.*
I firmly believe that the Fists and the Warriors would have annihilated each other out the map if the Blueberries had not intervened. And I'll still give the W to the Fists because even if the enemy had the advantage-they fell into their trap-they still bled the Warriors dry.
Your awesome and awesome video be safe out there big fan of warhammer
The Sons of Dorn will not break like the weak sons of Sanguinius and the Lion
*Cough* Iron Cage *Cough*
And all of this is fanmade.
Gosh, I love the Warhammer fanbase
If I remember correctly one of the reasons the Iron Warriors went traitor was they weren't given the respect they felt they had earned.
They took on some of the most grueling battles and performed some of the most thankless and unwanted work. and all it got them was more work.
They never really got thanks, they never really got glory, and they never really got honored for any of it, but if they failed oh boy were they made to know it.
There's a story where the iron warriors, before perturabo ever meets them, are participating in a brutal war, they're given the order to retreat, and they refuse that order, instead pushing on and suffering massive casualties, but they do it, they win the battle, and what do they get for this triumph? scolded and yelled at for not following orders, despite other legions having done the same and being lauded for it.
Perturabo didn't help but the problems existed long before he showed up, the iron warriors were basically tasked with the things the other legions just didn't want to do, because they would get it done.
When he turned traitor he didn't even have half his legion in attendance because they were off doing guard duty on conquered imperial worlds, because again, no other legion wanted to do it, because there was no honor or glory in being a security guard, so it was handed off to the iron warriors.
He and his legion still got no respect when they turned traitor, they probably got less, because Horus, despite Pertuabo being the reason they even got as far as they did, chose to hand over command to a far more incompetent person, and ordered perturabo to send his legion out as an assault team in what would have essentially been a suicide mission, so he gave Horus the finger and left him behind too, before leaving, sending orders to the legions to make them do stupid stuff and suffer massive casualties for it.
The Iron Warriors are my favorite traitor legion, mostly because they probably have one of the best and most understandable reasons for turning traitor.
where are all these videos from, I know some of them from games and animated movies, but some of them I can't find and have no idea where they're from like this one and the death of hope unseen parts in another video which I hadnt seen before, I would love a reference list! thanks for the content
Horus heresy trailer, deploy by Sodaz, siege by Sodaz, iron within on Warhammer tv. Those are the ones I know otherwise I’d need time stamps.
That bag looks awesome damn but can't seem to find any link for the same
My bad store.starforged.com/Counterpoints-2023Nov-MailerBag (8% discount)
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7:54 That is an Emperor class battleship, they serve as command centers and dedicated invasion/support vessels by using its strike/landing craft to support invading troops that it carries. With it's powerful sensors, computer system and communication arrays they can coordinate troops and other ships into a coherent force.
hell nooooo, to the no, no, no. helllll to the no. that ship aint 25 miles long homie. thats a strike cruiser at best. did u see how big the thunder hawks and drop pods looked as soon as they left the ship. that things about 2 milesi-sh long at best. emporer class BS's were either the 1st or 2nd largest ship of the line, 1st or 2nd to the gloriana class BS.
@@danielcampbell9457 do you know how hard it's to model scale when even the official sources disagree on dimensions, along with most of these models being cannibalised from other projects because its animated in SFM?
@@danielcampbell9457 right?
What's the name of this series? Haven't been able to find it in warhammer tv.
To be honest, if Horus didn't go Chaos, I would've supported him.
One of the best characters ever
he was argonat dicc with syndome of small PP... Guiliman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kid horus
I think I red the "Bet" commentary on the Gamespot Version of the Trailer. Am I wrong?
A set of Horus heresy movies would be amazing you would need a minimum of 2 but we all know HollyWood loves doing these things in 3s when needed or not but I wouldn’t mind if they did
Your channel gives me goosebumps lmao 🤣 when I see a notification I go straight to it I haven't been like this since game of thrones came out and house of dragons I'm steady Waiting for more series my boii 💯 for the great waaaaaaaghhh 😬
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What is your intro video????
Anyone else want to Head Cannon that the book they are desperately trying to save is "The Lord of the Ring"?
Conor would you break down the Echoes Of eternity Samguinious speech epic voice acting? It's really something else. The Angel addressing the defenders near Eternity gate during the last days of the Siege of Terra, is it ok to post a link from a different Channel here? Am not sure so I won't do it😂🦜 its 8 minutes long.
What happened with Nexus pariah ?
3 episode series that’s it
Love the channel and your content, semper fidelis brother
Siege masters? - laughs in iron warrior
I'll hope you watch the others video's from SODAZ. Especially the operation Sunburst.
I hear ya, I also hate how they make him ( and his legion ) seem like everything is their fault. As shown, with the Imperial Fist. Connor, love you channel! I like the Imperial Fist, they always stayed true and his legoin was pure of heart and mind. The Imperial Fist , shouldn't be the scapegoat for all the other loyal legion. You agree, but will never will never say it.
My # 1 Chapter is actually Black Templars.
Hahahahaha if you keep tapping the right side of your phone at the beginning of these videos its fucking hilarious.
EVERY SINGLE HUMAN here.... they only severed to give the Fists a split second more to make a tactical assessment.
If only the emperor chose to give join building to both Dorn the thick and Peter Turbo the heresy would be a non factor
I love these videos but my only issue/question is in the beginning shouldn't we hear chant/ candance songs and the Space Marine Chaplain(?) yelling prayers for the emperor, not only for his marines but for all to hear? I understand the argument for in-helmet communications, but that's in the field not here. I would be shocked if they didn't have a speaker setting for their comms.
Well what the shit, the beginning showed the compliment of fists had their own dreadnaught and the guardsman had a knight so where did those go?
I love the Iron Warriors. What was anyone expecting them to ultimately do after the sht show they were constantly thrust into. Like no sht man...
Such great charectors or what.
dude! you should watch this new animation! called "DEATHFIRE | Warhammer40k - Cinematic Short Film"
Iron Within Iron Without!
Give him a glass of water his voice is so raspy, damn.
Nice breakdon. Great bag,tempting... I never get why the civil war started? Yes the 40k universe is great story , and needed some spicy neww conflict but whe split the force of humanity againts itself ? For couple of grown super kids jealousy over their fathers love and the question if their father is real god or not??!! Such great imerium needs "god" to keep the simple masses in check and unity and give them some hope to carry on....
Basically Horus has the choice to die and let the Imperium live on or to accept chaos and promise the galaxy as a prize. His ego was too big to die and the lies of the Emperor were enough justification for him to switch. That being said I think that’s cope, he just didn’t want to die.
@@CounterpointsEh not exactly. He was kinda tricked into thinking the Emperor was gonna replace and or kill off some of his sons and legions, which Horus probably had good reason to believe given the mystery around the 2nd and 11th legions.
But why the thouusands upon thousands other space marines, primarchs and parts of their chapters split againts each other inside and kill brothers just because one egoist ais to scared and proud to die .....How in hell he would convice other Primarchs to join him?! Yes I know each has its own story and reason but its so sad and tragic and at the end chaos split in factions againts each other anyway ,human nature ..... So sad but I guess thats wwhy it is a good story.....
@@mikeszz5 The Word Bearers were already corrupt and spreading corruption to other legions at that point. 3 primarchs already hated the Emperor. The Emperor's children legion were falling to Slaanesh. The Iron Warriors harbored incredible resentment for how they had been treated. Horus was convinced the Emperor was planning to become a god, which ran counter to all that the crusade had been about, and gave him a means to turn the legions against the Emperor. All that said, the traitor legions still had to purge their members that stayed loyal.
@@mikeszz5 a lot of the primarchs actually disliked or hated the emperor in way or another. Hell most of the ones who stayed loyal only really did so because they saw the ruin a civil war would bring upon humanity. I think there were maybe…2 or 3 primarchs not counting Alpharius Omegon who actually made decisions out of loyalty towards the emperor.
So cool.
The FIsts are to me like the SAS x 1,000,000.00
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I wish Horus didnt went Chaos but instead Abaddon betrayed him and the Imperium bringing All Sons of Horus with him while Horus left with few who is loyal to him to remake Luna Wolves Legion.
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Iron Warriors are so fucking hard
I just don’t like how small they look, it looks like there around 5’5 and the tallest is like 6’. It’s kinda sad seeing them look smaller then they really are :/
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No entiendo como a este magnifico creador no lo contrata Gw ,la diferencia entre la herejia de horus y el asedio de los puños imperiales es abismal, Soda Z es un genio,si no lo fichan que le den licencia para trabajar pues realmente el capta la esencia del credo 40k, SOLO HAY GUERRA!!!
SodaZ si fue contactado, pero el fandom toxico lo trato de vendido, así que desistió de la posibilidad de trabajar con WG, por ende, tuvo que borrar todo su trabajo relacionado con WH de su canal de youtube.
Shameful