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Professor Schwarzenegger on Gerrymandering
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- Опубликовано: 9 дек 2019
- Professor Schwarzenegger visits Professor Christian Grose's Political Reform class at USC to show the students how politicians use gerrymandering to rig elections.
I can actually respect a Republican who wants to stop gerrymandering _and_ climate change.
Surprised he's even still Republican lol
eri Hes a moderate republican. Fiscally he’s very conservative while socially liberal.
You're right, such a means of bypassing democracy does not exist.
@K Korona yeah, Big brain over here. Bush and Trump surely are the smart ones among the presidents and Palin is just an anomaly.
@K Korona You mean the slavery the united states had to fight a civil war to get rid of and republicans still are salty about it? 1984 is about Police States were everybody is beeing watched over Big Brother style - does this sound familiar to you. Patriot Act for example? Also if you were really open minded about that stuff, you should study how european democracies work. I would like to remember your own history of the US. US is a country of immigrants and if their is any group it belongs to, its native americans - NOT White people. Or you can explain to me, how white people suddenly popped up in the US without immigration.
He is not all talk. Arnie is a real action hero. I respect him more and more the older we get.
Lung Ming He has become a great man you are right.
:)
Got the housekeeper pregnant, hid the kid
@@iron-farmer Supported them both financially.
@@iron-farmer Not relevant to what he's doing here, though, is it? Two different topics, two different outcomes. That bit of Arnie history that you're referring to had some negative effects, which is the only reasonable conclusion, but that doesn't take away from other things he's doing right.
Australia fixed this by not letting politicians set the boundaries. ..
Who sets them?
@@whisperingsage89 Probably some independent commission which is out of reach from politicians.
whisperingsage I don’t know how Australia does it specifically, but there are 4 classic methods: (1) an independently appointed commission where the members are either required to be non-partisan or an equal number of each of the major parties draws the boundaries (2) develop an algorithm that takes in the census data and automatically determines how to create the districts by a strict set of rules, most commonly some variant on the “shortest splitline” method, where the algorithm tries to find the shortest total length of all the borders, or (3) pay the same type of scoundrels who know how to gerrymander a district to favor one party, and put them on the payroll OF a non-partisan commission to gerrymander the districts so they proportionately *match* the region-wide popular vote (no one actually does this, but it has been proposed because it’s the only way to guarantee proportional representation and small, local districts at the same time) or (4) hold elections by a more proportional system, like STV which is hard to gerrymander and keeps some local representatives or PR which is impossible to gerrymander, but requires making political parties an official part of the election process and means you have no local rep, just pan-regional reps for the entire region.
@@whisperingsage89 the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) organises the boundaries based on constitutional requirements and also runs the elections. We can do postal voting a month or so in advance and they put a voting booth in pretty much every school. This makes it very convenient to vote, which is key to getting people at the gate. Short lines and the schools do a democracy sausage sizzle (BBQ) as fund raising. Seeing as people are usually going to the school there kids go or went to it becomes a community thing.
and we get around this fix but getting the mainstream media that is 100% owned by one person to manipulate Australians into voting for the Australian 'Liberal' party. so draw your boundaries anyway you like WAHHAHAHHAHAH
Gerrymandering; how to claim you're a democracy but really just another form of authoritarianism. Good on you sir for helping kids understand
@TrueDepth
And you sir are either not smart or a bot
TrueDepth I hope you are trolling
The U.S. is a republic who vote for representatives who vote on laws on there constituents...true democracy is everyone votes on everything... However like in Spain and Greece recently mob rule tend takes over democracy and the public drive the country off the cliff by voting themselves raises and luxury benefits and pensions; however in a Republic the representatives local, state and federal vote for higher pay benefits and pensions for themselves and don't give a crap about the public ; o
the fact that people have been tricked into thinking the u.s is a democracy is sad and explains a whole lot as to why things are so fd up. mass ignorance has run amok
The United States is absolutely not a democracy - no one who understands US government would say that (the US is a constitutional republic). The congressional districts are decided by state legislatures which are both partisan bodies and elected by citizen voters. Voters are plenty free to vote in gerrymander-free Gubernatorial and Presidential races - whose winners choose the judicial nominees who will go on to decide if specific examples of gerrymandering are unconstitutional (see NC). Voters are also fully free to vote in gerrymander-free Senate races, etc. The idea that some King in a dark room decides the districts is ridiculous - those district lines are decided by majority bodies represented by political parties by which the US People's (i.e. you and me) values are represented.
And he’s Republican. Thats what integrity should look like.
LOLOLOL what?!
Bullshit. He sure as hell isn't Republican. He's a democrat, lying about being Republican. He is what a fraud looks like.
@@jimbendtsen8841 he believes in equal rights. He thinks that people are responsible for themselves. He believes and is the product of the American dream. How much Republican can he be?
@Rob He knows whats fair wouldnt advantage his party, yet he still supports it cause he knows that democracy is not bending the rules to favor one party over the other but to have votes accurately represent the population. THATS integrity.
@Jim Bendtsen yeah right, another damn Democrat infiltrating the Republicans right?! 🤣
Those kindergarten cop kids sure have grown up.
“We are going to play a game. Who is your daddy and what does he do?”
Its not! A TOMUR
He is the real life Forrest Gump. How many different things he has done in one life! ..He went to military..became body builder...became Mr. Universe...wrote books...became movie actor...became governor...now he is taking a class....I watched him giving motivational speeches too.. respect to his hard work, patience and talents
@Peter Breis we all make mistakes..
@@WrongDescription Just making sure the list of his achievements didn't miss out on all his highlights. ;)
You forgot marry into a presidential family
He was also a builder
@@thecloneguyz ...whilst hedging his bets with the housekeeper. :)
You sir, are an American hero.
You’ve gotta respect a republican who doesn’t run blindly with the pack.
the fact that we have any loyalty to something other than our Country is still a big problem. It shouldn't be respected not to run with the pack, it should be expected.
@@thecreepnextdoor7560 truth!
Gerrymandering is an insult to democracy and should be illegal (and is actualy but the law is not applied)
Racial gerrymandering is what is illegal but partisan gerrymandering is currently completely legal in most states. See Rucho v. Common Cause; it's up to the states and Congress to legislate against it.
Considering that voting is regulated by the States and not the Federal government, it is 100% legal on a Federal level. It is, however, illegal in some states (like California) because they passed legislation banning it. We'd need an entirely new Amendment to overturn Gerrymandering on a national level.
Arnold: excusee class I'm goin to the toilet
Arnold:I'll be BACK
"Any Questions?"
Can I go to the Bathroom?
"There is no bathroom!"
Lmao
Pooping is for the weak
IT’S NOT A TUMAAAAA
Who is your daddy and what does he do?
Bro he referenced Action Hero in his own classes that takes cajones.
It takes *drawers* to reference Action Hero‽ like maybe wooden drawers (cajones de madera)?
Oh, you meant cojones... I get it now!
I mean... this is Schwarzenegger we are talking about here, we really need to question the size of his cojones?
Last Action Hero was one of the best movies; Arnie appeared to have no qualms in joking about Hollywood writer's role in movies, his role in Hollywood, or that of Sylvester Stallone's :D
@@jpe1 Tbh I am completely guilty of mixing those up😂
Everyone could learn a thing or two from Schwarzenegger
He always come back :)
Yes. Like how to knowingly cheat on your wife with the house maid.
He taught me that it's not a tumor.
Especially how to cheat on your wife and fuck the maid.
@@ritwiknandakumar And a supper ugly one at that.
Good demonstration of gerrymandering, and how un-democratic it is.
The desperation of white baby boomer America. Holding onto a past that doesn't exist anymore.
@@fredsmith6401 Seems there is more than just one ethnic group/generation involved. This site has some really good data about party affiliation due to various factors. www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/
@@fredsmith6401 Wow. I thought you guys didn't like racism.
I really never appreciated him. I didn’t agree with him as a politician, but I like him as a person more and more. I really do believe he is honest. He’s a Republican that challenged Trump and racism. Mad respect for his integrity.👍🏻
I like how americans don't recognize that the real problem is their stupid "Winner takes it all" approach which is just deeply undemocratic.
Waddehaddeduddedaa Americans understand this, the legislature doesn’t care
I agree. Though I wonder how many seats should be allocated for each super district. If it's 2 then it will lead to 1 Republican 1 Democrats. I guess 3 seats should be enough.
Waddehaddeduddedaa Winner-takes-all isn’t the problem in congressional elections (though it is probably most of the problem in presidential elections). Americans and others validly like to have themselves local elections for federal offices, so a proportional system just won’t work. Therefore, we should instead fix how the borders are made and how people vote. If we just had a non-partisan council drawing the borders and ranked voting, stuff would work fine, even if we kept local elections and the winner-takes-all system.
@@imperatorcaesardivifiliusa2158 I disagree, because having winner-takes-all is inherently democratic. Neither Trump or Clinton won more than 50% of the popular vote, meaning the majority of Americans didn't want one or the other. If Hillary won, 51% of Americans would have a president they didn't vote for. The solution is an entirely new voting system.
That's why Canada's five party system is better (still not perfect). As long as it's not a majority, there's always someone to keep balance things.
If you have a system like in Germany, gerrymandering makes no sense at all: Yes, the winners of each district become members of the parliament, but then the seats are filled up in a way to represent the relation of votes. If one party wins 10 districts with 52.5% each, it sends the 10 candidates to parliament, but then the parliament will be "filled up" with 9 people from the other party (or parties), so that the ratio is preserved (because 10/19 is about 0.525). So in the end you gain nothing from gerrymandering.
That's a pretty cool solution against Gerrymandering.
They still have the 5% hurdle, which undemocratic bullshit. It's not even a relic of the past, they recently introduced the same thing for their EU elections just to try to prevent a certain party that got 2.4% last time from getting into EU parliament again next time.
Politicians over here aren't any better, Germany just happens to have a better constitution since they didn't really have a choice about updating it back then.
@@LA_Commander You don't need the German system, which was devised by mathmaticans, and remember Germany has for most of its history following the war had 1 party rule. You can solve gerrymandering under first past the post, which allows for strong governments with two parties competing for power as they do in the United States.
Scotland has similar hybrid system
@@majorfallacy5926 Joke's on you. Germany doesn't have a constitution.
Random internet things: Arnie explaining how the democracy is an illusion
Long live the Republic!
*how the american system is creating an illusion of democracy
Makes me proud of always having loved this living legend. Arnie could be our collective "world-leader", I'd be fine with dictatorship if it was him as the captain.
> Arnie explaining how the democracy is an illusion
More like Arnie explaining why single seat first-past-the-post is a bad election method. Not every election method is suspectible to Gerry mandering. Simplest fix to gerry mandering is to adopt a voting method, that can not be or is really really hard to gerry mander. FPTP is really really easy to gerry mander. It is a known flaw of the method. not a flaw of democracy overall. Nor is it unique to USA, it is a systemic issue of First-Past-The-Post. Not issue of USA having exceptionally bad political culture etc.
The classic trick of Gerry mandering is to make the opponent win with absolute land slide in few districts via stuffing them in couple districts like the last example. Then have your self win with as few votes as possible so that in the last example Blue needed 9 votes to get a single representative, but red needed only six. However if the district has say 3 seats available this doesn't work anymore. Stuffing the blue to one district just ensures they get 3 seats from that one district, when red only gets 2 from their district. Which ends up with well both blue and red needs about 3 votes to get a representative.
Or if one is winning as showed, trickle the losing side to remove all representation from them.
Gerry mandering works on wasting votes. If one diminishes wasting votes by giving more seats per district, well Gerry mandering becomes pointless. One can redraw the lines however one wants, but within a 33% margin the results will follow the democraphics. Want even more granularity have district have 5 seat and so on. If you have trickled 20% of the minority in each district, with 5 seats per district, they still get their one seat. Unlike in FPTP, where they get nothing.
Democracy is 51% of people holding 45% hostages.
put da district down, now!
When should we expect the sequel "Conan the intelectual" :D:D:D
Intellectual*
Put that cookie down now!!!!!!!!!
Comunizm! It is good
POOT that cOOkie doWn NOWWW!!!
James Bonnet Marry Christmas to you sir
@@Beshanaya_Astma Yes please. Communism will bring us light!
Kappa
Those are my cookies!!!!
I wish Arnold Schwarzenegger would casually walk into my classroom.
More than a star , or a public figure. The man has become a an idea & a legend
Nice pic
Thank you 😊
Dr. Mohammed Thair
“Hoooooo!”
Bring back the original! Not that toddler’s doodle crap!
No. Just a public figure.
Such a great and honest man with years of wisdom
aye!
Great and honest man.. he fucked his maid... in his family home... in his wife's house... their bed. No no no...
@@jeffreyrivers1983 Oh L@@K who is back talking smack...(
BoBo-Jb He is my number 1# favorite bodybuilder Champion and he is one of my favorite action hero Hollywood superstar and all but he is a Backstabbing son of a bitch
@@jeffreyrivers1983 Doesn't change any good or great things he has done.
I occasionally try to explain this to other Europeans (I'm Dutch). As soon as they understand it, they respond baffled with words like: "I thought the USA was a democracy"
Technically, we're a Constitutional Republic.
Or a representative republic. Democracy as originally made was where every person in the city-state would vote for each law. The district/electoral college was made in a time where 4 of the states had almost 40% of the population. To let the full 13 states have a voice, districts were made. The issue we have now is that party controlled borders. Districts should follow county borders, and then balancing voting per districts.
I personally think that the Dutch system of voting for a party instead of individual persons is an abomination.
Even simpler: don't have districts. Count the votes in all the state and assign seats proportionally to the votes.
Well - you want representation to be founded locally or the distance to politicians become even larger.
In my country we have what we call additional mandates. Most politicians are elected with local votes, but just a few of the once that did best, but didn't get elected, are elected with votes from outside there constituency. That's how we achieve proportionality, and there is almost no incentive to tamper with constituencies. You need surprisingly few additional mandates to counter gerrymandering.
Jerry Mandering and the other 91 members of the Mandering family downvoted this video!
hahaha
You have to respect this guy. He’s done all the things, exceptionally well.
Ich finde es echt super, wie aktiv du dich in der Öffentlichkeit einsetzt. Du bist ein echt ganz großes Vorbild für mich.😃
Ich bin geschwindigkeit
That was the best explanation of Gerrymandering i've seen! Very important this gets seen by people. Thanks for sharing.
We know we are screwed when the "pump you up" muscle men from SNL are telling us what's wrong with our society and how to fix it, and everyone else is too stupid to listen.
Wow, he's 72 years old and still going strong. His legacy will never die, but hope Arnold will live physically to be 100.
“Thanks Mr. Schwarzenegger for supporting the Arnold Schwarzenegger institute.”
Arnold: I don’t know what they do but I love the name.
Or just stop voting like this. Do not use districts, use percentage of vote and scale it to the number of seats. That is how fair vote count looks like.
@M D Well, since it would take a Constitutional Amendment to change it I don't think they're too worried.
@M D Or the democrates for that matter. PR will entice new parties to see light. No one will get a majority anymore. There will need to be actual co-oporation.
@M D Proportional Representation. You get seats based on your share of the vote. You might have Democrats, Republicans, libertarians a Green party. So you get to chose something that fits your ideas better. And with no party probably getting over 50%, the biggest party would have to seek partners to form a government.
Arnie is amazing,love from Scotland🙏🙏🙏
Arnold's talk about having a vision is always inspiring.
The first half of this video is a motivational speech and is more important than everything else.
I would raise my hand and ask this question: "Will you be back?" :)
"I'll be Back"
No way, the Terminator is teaching the same stuff I'm learning about in school!
I’m going to make an organization supporting young children who want to be the pilot of the helicopter Arnold is yelling about
SNAK3 V3N0M help them get to it I suppose? 😂
"We're going to play a wonderful game called, who is your daddy? And what does he do?"
There IS no bathroom!!
I'm glad you're making movies again sir. I grew up watching you
This is probably the most comprehensive explanation of gerrymandering that I've seen.
This guy is amazing...
Comes to this country .barley could speak. Then becomes a superstar a Gov. And is teaching Americans about their system
So.. endorse bernie??
Everything he talked about, bernie is fighting for
Or you could be like me and vote for ANDREW YANG. One of his proposals is SPV or rank-choice voting and an end to gerrymandering. This would allow winners to not take all.
@@oremfrien yeah but he doesnt believe in M4A. You know the thing that would fix 30K-45K people dying each year. 500K people going bankrupt from medical debt each year. He is also not for eliminating all student debt or medical debt. Bernie is the best choice, and unlike yang, he's got a strong chance of winning, has the largest grassroots support, and the most loyal fanbase.
@@Skeptic_Tank But Yang does believe in Medicare for All. Yang's public option is for everyone. His system just allows people to continue to choose private insurance if you prefer it.
Socialist countries don't have gerrymandering that's for sure XD
@@oremfrien rofl. If you defend public option, you are extremely misinformed. An ex-private healthcare worker went on twitter and revealed the lies behind this talking point. There is only 1 medicare 4 all. And it is single payer. No private healthcare companies can exist.
I'm jealous these kids can see a legend speak
A great reminder of why everyone needs to be involved in our democratic process!
TLDW: Redrawing election districs or “Gerrymandering” is a practice intended to establish a political advantage for a particular party by manipulating district boundaries. It reduces the fairness of elections.
Notice the premise of gerrymandering is that we all should be divided between red and blue. What if each one of those boxes was a little American Flag?
wouldn't work. democrats too busy burning them.
Now this is what they should teach at schools
I blame our government. Dumb down our educational system so kids won't learn how fucked up our country really is. Thank goodness for guys like Arnold for taking the time to teach kids important things like this.
Kaizer Prime I blame people who say “thank goodness” when they see a celebrity doing this, instead of being relieved for seeing anything of significance
They do teach this at schools.
@@armpitpuncher Probably not all of them. Every time I am on the comment section I see people comment something like this or spout something basic that they SHOULD'VE learned in school.
I have taught this to some students.
Low-key the most important part of this presentation is the second sheet. If all the boxes are covered to start out with, both the first and second sheets seem equally fair - the districts are evenly grouped with no panhandles or obvious holes, but the second is still gerrymandered.
The thing to learn is what Gov. Schwarzenegger stresses at the end - proportional representation is the real end goal. Sometimes when redistricting it's important to consider demographic lines so that small voting blocs aren't split and disenfranchised. If a group makes up 10%, or 20% of the voting population they should get 20% of the representation, not split neatly down the middle into two blocs that never qualify and never become able to defend themselves.
While he's technically correct to say "that's how you fix districts", "fix" can easily sound like a good thing. I prefer "rig".
I'm pretty sure he was sarcastic in his uses of "fix".
Respect for Arnold Schwarzenegger 👏👏👏
This is NOT Rehearsal ... Make the Most of Each Day and Wake up with a New Vision.
Doesn't California still have that policy where only the two most popular candidates get on the ballot regardless of party resulting, effectively, in a one party system for the entire state?
Redistricting should be done by an independent body done by science and data. Thus we can have a fair representative body
The way I see it: districts should be equal in population (more or less), but the vote count should go directly to state party number. Once the state numbers are up, then split the party percentages into number of representatives from each party. Say you have 17 districts with 60% R vote and 40% D vote, then you have 10 R and 7 D representatives. The top 10 red districts gets the R rep voted in the district and the top blue districts get the D rep voted in the district. Easy peasy. This system would work with a 3 or more party system.
@@razvanzamfir1545 The problem is not so simple the way it is set up in US politics. Let's invent a state. This state has a more heavily populated string of sites along its northern section, and is much more rural and less populated elsewhere. The city dwellers in the Northwest are dealing with frequent flooding, the city in the NE has a rampant property crime problem, the farmers in the SW are struggling to get their goods to market on bad roads and the orchards in the SE are doing well with access to a quality cargo rail terminal and a superhighway to the cities in the north but no access to the internet. - The four quarters of the state have different concerns and different priorities for national help needed to fix them. - - - How do you divide this state's population with numerical parity while also providing representation to each area's concerns?
@@stevenbrock528 And we are back to the human factor: Who decides? - Because no matter who decides or under what set of rules, SOMEBODY will always be unhappy with the process and the outcome.
@@MonkeyJedi99 Smaller districts. Sure, that would inflate the state's parliament, but it would provide representation for all regions.
Why have districts in the first place (other than maybe for organizational and logistic purposes)? Just count the votes, get the percentages, and assign seats accordingly.
"Bringing people together and bringing people to the center", is an interesting thought.
South Africas system fixes this problem nicely. If there are 100 disctrics in a council, there will be 200 seats. The 1st 100 seats are voted for in the district and the party that wins the district wins the seat and that candidate is on the council. So Gerrymandering is a huge risk.
However we then use the remaining 100 seats to fix it. Let's say party A won 75 districts and B won 25 districts, but the actual overall vote was 60% to 40%, then of those last 100 seats A will only get 45 of them and B will get 55 so that the overall representation in the council is A has 120 seats (75 districts + 45 assigned = 60%) and B has 80 seats (25 districts and 55 assigned = 40%) which is then the actual democratic representation. It makes Gerrymandering far less impactful overall
Same in germany
Where are parties mentioned in the Constitution? Since when are parties entitled to representation?
@@IskurBlast s19(1) - 3 times... and s46(1)(d) says the National Assembly should result in "proportional representation". Honestly man the constitution is available on the internet to read 🤦🏻♂️
@@shaungordon5104
I'm talking about the US Constitution. Political parties are not entitled to representation in the US.
@@IskurBlast 🤦🏻♂️
Opening address. “Good morning, how are you? First I would just like to get to know you. Who’s your daddy and waddus he do?”
Gerrymandering should be illegal and all political districts bounderies are the tax district they are elected to represent and are not to be changed.
If this guy weren’t born in Austria, he would have definitely been elected president by now
I love Arnold but I don't think he would be a good president.
@@JustinL614 i didn't say he would necessarily be a good president (although I think anyone would be better than the current guy). I just think based on his name and popularity he would probably be elected
@@politicalmemes1296 ya ummmmm no on so many levels!! useful idiots= man hes a great actor he should be president XD
He was in the right place and right time to become CA governor considering that state has been a third world oligarchy mess since Gray Davis failed. I don't think he would be able to win most of the states in a presidential primary.
BY WHO?
He isn't too popular amongst progressives and he is very unpopular on the right. Who would vote him in?
This just makes me feel so proud of our electoral system in Australia. Districts are drawn on geographic boundaries only by an independent body who manage our elections. There's no party interference at all
Yes, and that's the way it is done in California and several other states.
@Bobby Brady How is that, even if true, relevant to this discussion?
This makes democracy in America a joke.
Both parties represent the same corporate interests. It's just 1 party.
Tbh Arnold is just the most genuine Man out there. I have so much respect for this man. He's still my Idol to this day.
the walking American dream. Much respect.
Simple / clear explanation. Thank you Arnold. We want to keep seeing you in the public, and much respect for the motivational energy you give to the world. (and thanks for choosing the United States to become your home)
Love and respect from India. Namaskar(Hi) to Arnold and wish him great health.
This is why we here in up-side-down land have an independent electoral commission as part of the civil service.
We also have a single, uniform, nation wide, voting system as mandated by the electoral commission.
Boundaries are reallocated (generally AFTER elections) based on population distribution. Political intervention in this process is a form of corruption and therefor criminal.
Many elections swing on margins of 5% or less in many marginal seats. If the ballot is won by less than (I think the number is 5000 votes) a recount is automatically triggered to make sure everything was done correctly.
It might be a bit more expensive than the alternative but we have very few disputes during out elections.
Side note, Australia led the way in the voting rights of women!
@@stevenbrock528 I am particularly disgusted with the new mode of the two-year (or longer!) Presidential running process. Two fracking YEARS? - - And another thing, this BS about Iowa and Vermont always going first really irks me. By the time my state gets to vote in primaries, the pool of possible candidates has been whittled down by votes in other states that do not have the same concerns as I, or the majority in my state, have for choosing a Presidential candidate.
Holy Shit, Arnold actually LOOKS like Regan at this point when his makeup is minimal.
My problem with these kinds of comparisons is that they always miss the most important final step. Real election maps aren't clear-cut like that. There's less red and blue and a whole lot more purple. In classes like this they should have a final set where the red and blue are scrambled but with a couple of patches where several squares of the same color are together. Then they should use a computer to make two maps, one that distributes the districts in fairly strait lines, and one that creates the wonky districts to give the minority a majority.
Regan always looked old...
I love the looks on the student's faces. "The Terminator is teaching us about politics. WTF??"
Many of those kids probably have never seen The Last Action Hero. I've been a fan my whole life. Peace and love to you Arnie.
Such an American hero Arnold is. He has done so much for the US and the world.
The real question is: why do you still need that antiquated "winner takes it all" system in the first place? I understand it was somewhat practical in the old days of the united states (and maybe even fair as long as the district borders where not chosen to deliberately misrepresent the voters), but what's the benefit nowadays where you can accurately (ok, that's a whole different issue I wont go into here) count every single vote nationwide in a matter of hours? Just count every vote, get the percentages and assign seats accordingly - problem solved.
At the same time this would solve the problem of having only two parties with realistic chances and open up the field for a much more fine grained representation of the voters. Which is undoubtedly not only more democratic than the current two-party system but would in turn alleviate the problem of one party always trying to block everything the other party does on principle and creating deadlocks when the majority in senate is different from the majority in the house.
Personally, I prefer the American government to do as little as possible. The more time they waste fighting each other, the more time we have to allow "nature" to take it's course. The sad fact is that most government programs are disasters.
The reason Politicians give for not using a system like Single Transferable Vote or proportional representation is that Americans are too stupid to understand those systems. I am not making this up.
@@Lucklaran if you are going to make such an assertion you should support it. And please don't use the idea of something being natural. it says nothing and is just a made up idea.
@@nubgaming1013 Social Security and Medicare just to name 2 www.marketwatch.com/story/the-financial-hole-for-social-security-and-medicare-is-even-deeper-than-the-experts-say-2018-06-15
ncee.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/PerStudentSpending2018.jpg According to this, we spend more per student than other countries, but ncee.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/ReadingPISADistributions15.jpg we have the highest percent of students scoring below 2 in Reading, Math, and Science
Very inspirational, I really needed this.
Thank you Professor Schwarzenegger, Professor Gross and USC
Ok so that’s Gerrymandering attended to
Now Get To Da Choppa
OP Choppa Skill. All of Order complain that it is an OP Pull.
Simplest way to end gerrymandering: a direct voting system without districts.
Direct voting would be a disaster. Major cities would have overwhelming power vs Rural towns and counties. Its why there are districts in the first place, and also why the electoral college exists. That way major cities do not decide the vote, and everyone's voice can be heard equally.
@@LegohaidenThe current system is a disaster. Votes do not count equally. A minority holds the majority hostage. Why are rural people so special that their vote should be worth several urban votes? Other minorities like gays, African Americans, native Americans and green-eyed people do no get this privilege.
District voting also stimulates pork an barrel politics.
@@Legohaiden As opposed to the current system, where random rural districts in bumfuck swing states literally own elections and everyone elses' votes mean so little that most have stopped voting entirely. We know it works, because people like you (let's just say Florida) are very, very fucking happy with it.
@@ashleyneku5432 Well, you can always go for a Constitutional Amendment to change the system. Good luck!
@@ashleyneku5432 Why should people who literally jam themselves into egg cartons in a single city, in a single state, in ONE part of the country have more say then several rural states? think about that... that's what your advocating for. Each state should have equal representation.... regardless of population size. its the ONLY fair way
Great to see a European bring democracy to the US!
Every American should be sat down and watch this!!
thanks Arnold! I actually watched the whole thing through and I learned a lot! NOW GET TO DA CHAAAAPA 🚁 DO IT NOOoooW!!
Well if anyone can teach gerrymandering it's a Republican
Am I the only one that watched this before seeing the new terminator?
No
Arnold, You are very intelligent and smart. Greetings from Poland.
Well USA definitly needs a complete Revamp of their Voting System.
No kidding. The problem is that in order to change it, we need 38/50 states to approve a constitutional Amendment and then we need the majority of the Senate to as well, but they won't vote for a bill that takes away their power.
One of the last remaining ethical republicans.
God bless you, Arnold! First of all you are Great because of your personality and then...
It's called Proportional Representation, and there are a number of systems that could be used to make it work for the US, then there would be no point to Gerrymandering.
@Ben McKean What is? I never mentioned a specific system.
@Ben McKean No, Proportional Representation merely means that the resulting percentages of the representation are approximately the same as the percentage of votes for those parties cast by the voters. There are many different systems that can be applied to get that result. The Neatherlands uses Party List Proportional Representation (PLPR), whereas Germany, and Here in NZ, we use Mixed Member Proportional (MMP). There is also Single Transferable Vote (STV) and a number of other systems that have been proposed.
What Governor Schwarzenegger is talking about, is at both State Level and House of Representatives level, and this is where a Proportional System could greatly benefit the US. There would be no benefit in Senatorial or Presidential Races unless they were to look towards a system of runoffs where the winner is required to achieve of 50% of the vote.
Now okay, you seem to be a non-believer in people's right to rule themselves via democratic representation, rather instead relying on a fluke of genetics based on the family line of whoever had the biggest army at some point in distant history, however, most people seem to believe that the ability to have some say in their government is preferable, and the US system was designed to avoid it becoming a monarchy, if at all possible. Rather it was designed for parties to work together and pass laws that would benefit all of it's people, and the best way to do that is to have fair representation of those people rather than having some people over represented and others under represented.
The US system is probably one of the best designed for actually having multiple parties and working together to achieve law as that was how it was supposed to be, the two party system it has now is a failing of it's system, not a benefit.
Ehrenmaann
LG aus deiner Heimat.
The problem is that there are districts in the first place to gerrymander. Let anyone vote anyone regardless of district. Let the people choose. The seats will be distributed between parties according to total votes and the passing nominees according to their personal votes. One man one vote.
Adez0 problem is that that dis incentivizes politicians to run on local issues.
@@christianschwalbach7561 Citation?
@@Daedhart that doesnt need citations its just common sense. If the voters that vote for you are spread throughout the state instead of in local districts you only care about how to please the majority to get the vote instead of honing in on local issues for your district to win the local district.
@@Daedhart was gonna say...The reason there's any division at all districts, cities, counties, states, w/e, is because there's issues of different scales that need different people attending to them and different levels of attention. Schools districts, zoning, parking, parks, housing, rivers lakes, city ordinances, state laws. There's a lot going on lol
@@wilard95 Stavi I was hoping that comment would get people thinking about how such a claim could possibly be proven, and that was my point. It sounds logical when you just say it, but the truth is far more abstract than simple logic. I could pull out a plethora of logical counters that sound just as solid, but Ill leave you with this one: define "local". Government is too messy with too many gradients for such a concept to mean anything. As John Oliver once said, directing money somewhere is like pissing in the corner of a pool; its going everywhere whether you want it to or not.
Jesus, robots are ageing. This model was really good. How much is it? I want to buy it for my children.
This men keep inspiring all of youth. Love from Pakistani American Fans
Our country is actually 60% dem look it up
Oh murals, I was like wtf is he talking about mirrors
Highly recommend seeing if you and Beau of the Fifth Column can do an interview.
And corporations buy both sides.
He should be sitting in the white house now
If he was american born, he likely would be!
Istvan Bartha damn straight!
Coolest man alive and hopefully “Will Be Back” in another Terminator movie
Nah i'd rather not have Arnie's name tarnished but yet another bad try at a terminator movie honestly
King Conan!
How about True Lies 2! 😅
A better one
I don't care about his politics, he has always come over well & what he says here makes sense. Love you Arnie.
It's a good presentation, but he stopped short of what has ACTUALLY happened on the larger scale, where the 2 parties agree to the boundaries ensuring a safe seat for both parties in any given election cycle. This is what makes it so difficult to unseat an incumbent.