Why the UK Election Results are the Worst in History.
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No need to worry about elections over in Russia
The elections are done so well that the results are already in before people arrive to vote
@@toomanycharacter no
Congratulations to Putin for winning the 2036 election!
@@toomanycharacter Stalin is better
@@BeeBeau That's like saying Mussolini or Mao were better than Hitler.
@@atronite yes
The worst thing about this is that the misrepresentation error has to be fixed by those in power... aka the ones who benefit the most from said error
There are people in Parliament who have an incentive to fix it; their parties got screwed by FPTP, and if they fix it they'll have more power in the future. Unfortunately, by definition, they have less power than the parties who benefit from FPTP...
@@pulli23 Just like Gandhi did when he had King George beheaded.
"Change nothing" versus "full French Revolution" is a false dichotomy if I ever saw one.
@@timothymclean that's basically what OP said
@@timothymclean only the realy small parties, you need to be exceptionally far behind to want it to change (and mean it ) most likely what would have happened if the other large party won they would not complain about it being un fair. We saw this in canada only a few years ago
@@tristenbezayiff571 It's not like the top dogs change *that* much from election to election. There's a pretty consistent tier system, and maybe I'm just projecting Yankee expectations into the wrong political climate for them, but it seems like the lower-tier parties would consistently have motivation to change FPTP.
For Reference:
Blue: Conservative.
Red: Labour.
Yellow: SNP (Scottish National Party).
Orange: Liberal Democrats.
Brown: DUP (Democratic Unionist Party).
Dark Green: Sinn Féin (N. Ireland).
Green: Plaid Cymru (Wales).
Light Green: Social Democratic & Labour Party.
Light Blue: Ulster Unionist Party (N. Ireland).
Purple: UKIP (British Independence Party).
Very Light Green: Green Party.
UKIP is UK Independence party and DUP is also N.Ireland but apart from that 👍👍
Thanks so much
How did I know the party that benefited the most was the conservatives before reading this comment? :D
@@seeibe Lol
Back when UKIP was relevant lol
this is why I like the German two-prong system - one vote for the local M.P., one vote for the party in your state, calculated together with (hideously complicated calculation rules I'm not geoing to get into) to get as close to representation of the votes as possible, while letting local politicans that might be really popular in their area win seats, without disenfranchising smaller parties
That sounds an awful lot like MMP - one of the voting systems Grey mentions at the end. My country (Canada) has been trying to implement that for a while, but the party in power never wants it.
@@hoodiesticks See that's kind of the depressing thing about Canadian politics. The only party that stands to benefit from it's removal is the NDP because the Bloc Quebecois skyrockets their representation error and heading into the September elections, the party in power is a minority government because they won more seats via FPTP despite the second most vote totals.
@@hoodiesticks It is MMP
However, in Poland we have utterly system in contrast to British one, there are many people who want to ....change it like the British. What;s more, there's party having one-mandate region system as the main political objective.
@@ManOfTheWeek596 it’s not exactly mmp. With mmp you give half the seats to the local representatives and give the other half to the parties according to the result of the second vote. In Germany the second vote alone decides how many seats a party gets and then the local representatives fill up those spots together with the candidates on the list if there are spots left. It’s only a difference in technicality though
I thought parties were meant to be fun...
...wait, how?
I thought they are meant to be so dull that you DON'T pay attention to their schemes.
Lol
Harry Robins Monster Raving Loony is
erejnion r/whooosh
😂
Meanwhile in the US, we still want more than two real parties
+Joe Mattock Well, Sanders is what the Democrats used to be before money and corporations spoiled that party too
We have more than two parties, Just two popular ones.
Phvro Yeah, I like the Greens
***** I know the Libertarians exist, I just don't particularly like them, never knew there was a socialist party.
Aren't you just adorable!? With all that desire and illusion of personal relevance like everything you were taught to have faith in like Santa or Jesus or Justice was not just a road paved in lies leading you specifically to no where at all in the journey toward death that privileged livestock such as ourselves are afforded such amenities as climate control and gossip mags. How truly divine!
The map of the U.K. in american movies: 0:56
they dont teach us shit about the UK in the USA. most people don't know the difference between the UK, Great Britain, and England is here.
Kevin Ndayishimiye Had to rack my brain a lil bit but correct me if I’m wrong. UK is what it is today (England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland). Great Britain is all of the British Isles ( the whole island of Ireland and England Scotland and Wales.) England is just one part of the U.K.
Sam the Sheeopoll I swear in America all you get taught is fucking patriotism
Sam the Sheeopoll no the uk is the country but Great Britain is the nation but yes uk is made of Northern Ireland England Scotland and Wales to form the nation and country
Northern Ireland*
We get a lot of tactical voting as well in the UK, so sometimes we aren’t even picking the party we want to run the country we are just voting against the one we don’t. We have great fun complaining about politics in this country.
Isn’t complaining about politics fun for every country in existence?
@@feister2869 it’s fun and sad at the same time
Borsalino Kizaru yea… especially when talking about usa that laughing stock and I kinda feel bad for those lads
The US in a nutshell!
@@RM-jq5vi a 2 party system is the result of this strategic voting and happens under both fptp and electoral college
I have to talk to my teacher: You should round up 37% to 51% and that's equals/technical 100%. Sounds good.
yes
Yeah
Majorative vote( most people in the class vote for it no one can contend)
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@@thelocalnecromancer1224 road to 999
2:53 This isn't election results, it's a traffic light.
Lol
If traffic lights had smiling politicians on the side during elections then maybe there would be fewer road accidents.
(Just a quick joke)
Underrated
what kind of traffic lights you looking at
it's a joke redditors
I CAN'T UNSEE IT!
“Government isn’t a sport where a singular winner must be determined”
US: well yes but actually no
The us wasn’t intended to be two party in fact the founders despised it.
@@strategygaming5830 it wasn't intended for the federal government to have so much power over the states.
Thats the same in Canada where Trudeau did not even get most votes.
@@happyfase also true.
@@strategygaming5830 not true, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson actually supported it.
So I have voted at every opportunity since 1979, I have never had an MP, County Councillor, District Councillor, Town or Parish Councillor that reflected my politics. I have had MEP (members of the European parliament) who represented me because they were elected proportionately.
I like Single Transferable Vote (STV) which is used for elections to the Northern Ireland Assembly - very few wasted votes, works out close to exactly proportional, and gives you a choice even within the party you support. You can access the results online - you can see each round as the votes get redistributed - very interesting. The reason they have it was to try and accurately reflect opinion in a very divided community.
Appreciate someone recognises out absolute skill to have a government that doesn't fall apart...mostly
Very true aswell if we didn't get proper representation the troubles would happen again if any side thought the other side was getting an unfair advantage
So in the U.K. 37% rounds up to 100% pretty much?
Some how
Once again, British numbers confuse Americans.
@@hella_cool1312 I believe it is the same in many American states.
No. Not like you think.
Just like it does in the US. The founding fathers forgot to fix that when they were changing the shit they inherited from the UK.
That's right world, all of our parties are named after a colour!
Rambi Ninethousand I vote greenish purple
come on folks, vote GP! -PG-
Bram06 Purplish green is far superior to greenish purple you fool!
Lock Ray I must say, I do like their idea of reestablishing slavery...
Rambi Ninethousand At least by using colors, it's easy for someone who's not British to understand the video easily, and the people who actually know about British politics can easily attach names to the colors.
Rambi Ninethousand color*
If the UK election results are crazy, just check up the results of Indian election which is way crazier. The ruling party got 55.8% seats when their vote share was 37.3%.
Yup we are the country that needs to abolish this the most
Japan be like:
Watching this in the US, in 2020, to remind myself that other countries have terrible electoral systems too.
The British system works pretty well most of the time. We vote, at 10pm the exit poll tells us who won, we go to bed, and when we wake up the next morning the result is confirmed. Counting is all finished in less than 24 hours. Following the US Presidential Election, that system seems like a big messy farce.
It would look like this in the US if people actually bothered to vote 3rd party
True democracy is just as evil as a dictatorship. Go read up on why we have electoral systems. Think about it, Russia is a democracy and Hitler was voted in as well. I reckon that the people who designed the governmental process put more thought into it that every single person that's wants a popular vote. Ironically its the exact same reason why we are republics. Voters are stupid. Period.
@@Kinnectxfollower Hitler was voted in, then he abolished democracy. Democracy is more about being able to vote someone out.
@basjqnatsks Russia was never an actual democracy, there have been election fraud since day one, and Hitler's takeover would've been impossible in most modern democracies because they have contingency laws precisely to avoid a tyrant from abolishing democracy (requiring more than simple majority to pass constitutional reforms, free and nonpartisan court system etc).
Democracy isn't perfect but it's the only system that makes the leaders of the country accountable for their actions, forcing them to obey the will of the people in at least some way. All other systems will see the ruler use all of their power to benefit themselves and not the people. Benevolent dictators (or oligarchs) do not exist
"voting needs to be fairer and representative"
"thank god ukip got no representation"
- a lefty
I agree the voting system needs a massive overhaul. But then again fuck ukip.
Jack Penman yeah fuck controlled immigration and fuck putting this country and its people first, yeah!
Patriotism is weird.
FUCK YEAH THIS LITTLE BIT OF DIRT AND MY COLOURED PIECE OF CLOTH ARE WAY BETTER THAN YOURS. NO YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COME TO MY PIECE OF DIRT
Because I'm not a nationalist am i
Jack Penman in an idealistic world there would be no such things as countries and we'd all get along happily ever after but sadly that isn't reality, if you go to another country, guess what, you're going to be treated like a foreigner and other countries put their citizens first.
Good thing I live in America. wait
Eh could be worse
Lol
America is bad as well. U know if in America it wasn’t points but votes Donald trump would of lost
Haha! Loser! Wait, fuck I live there too.
@@mxn4719 he said it as a joke
Whenever I bring up the nightmare that is FPTP to my dad, one of the things he'll counter with it "So you'd want to give UKIP power in parliament?" to which my answer is YES
You can't support a system just because it screws over the people you don't like, because that very same system can screw you over just as easily, but only then will you cry foul and demand change.
Well, fight UKIP with the Lib Dems I guess. There could be some very interesting fights.
Yeah even if UKIP is discusting, aka facism, almost nazism, they still got a voice innit.
As someone from the UK, I knew this all already, but it was a really well done video that would be very informative to people from outside the UK! Well done!
I did the math(s).
2019's error was 34%.
So not as bad as 2015, but much worse than 2017.
what was 2017's
@@fatherfountain1906 About 21%.
time to go back to math class then. lib dem does not equal SNP and neither equal Labour and thus the idea that somehow Labour or LibDem got screwed or that Tories received an outsized majority must assume that voters Lib Dem, SNP, and other minor party voters did not know exactly what they were doing. Those who vote for minor parties are fully aware that it may give and advantage to one of the 2 major parties whom we might align with had our preferred party not been available and we are ok with that both labour and Libdems got what they deserved this round as they dismissed the people they claim to represent and treated them as serfs who are not smart enough to understand politics and thus should simply play along.
Tories consolidated the vote with a large net cast. Lib Dems and Labour divided their own constituencies and each-others and lost it all.
in 2019 however tories did actually recieve a majority vote, so their majority representation is proportionate. no party really matters if they have less that 50% of seats, which is why the 2016 government was useless (no party had a majority)
Damn crazy how the Tories lost their majority in the election that most accurately represented what people actually want
If we can take one positive from this, its the lack of UKIP seats.
xisumavoid Amen!
xisumavoid heyy did not expect to see you here. loved your cities: skylines series. any change you'll start a new one?
xisumavoid I'm not from the UK, but I agree because you said it!
Edit: Also, what's the UKIP?
xisumavoid I want to agree but I'm not convinced it's going to turn out to be a good thing in the long run. UKIP voters feel frustrated this result (quite rightly too) and are only going to become more vocal as a result, potentially gaining enough seats to make a real difference at the next election. Brits love an underdog, especially one that claims to be on the side of normal people, fighting a corrupt system of government.
Bill Smith A bunch of populist right-wing jackals.
"Why the UK Election Results are the Worst in History"
This has aged like fine wine. The 2015 election was the crack in the septic tank that burst wide open.
What happened In 2015?
@@aprofessionalgamer5355 The Conservative Party ran on a manifesto of offering a referendum on UK membership of the EU, despite the leader David Cameron having no intention of seeing such a process to the end, and then won a majority of seats.
@@Ivytheherbert just gonna pretend I understand all that thanks.
@@aprofessionalgamer5355 Maybe, but we mustn't forget, that the beggar who is sitting in the market place, he is completely deaf, in so much as far as listening to the song that is coming from the mockingbird, is concerned.
@@Ivytheherbert are the conservatives like the UK version of Republicans? I don't follow brit politics so idk
Belfast South's MP got
East Ham sounds like a delicious place to live.
I live there, ironically it's majority Muslim (me being one of them)
You will find alot of curry shops though.
*****
It then logically follows that the non-Muslims have all the ham they could ever dream of eating, and then some.
+JustOneAsbesto ham in curry does taste good
mvpmickey1
But it's not halal.
Key (for non-brits):
Blue: Conservative
Red: Labour (This is England, so it has a U)
Orange: Liberal Democrat
Yellow: Scottish National Party
Purple: United Kingdom Independence Party
Green: ...Green.
The rest don't matter.
Comments disabled because flame war.
GlitchyShadow13
Green in Wales: Plaid Cymru
Light blue: Ulster Unionists
Dark green: Sinn Fein
Light green: SDLP, a nationalist party in NI
Red in NI: Democratic Unionist Party
GlitchyShadow13 You could have stoped at red and blue.
GlitchyShadow13 That makes it look like the Irish nationalist constituencies are where the green party won haha...
GlitchyShadow13 correction, Purple: Racists
GlitchyShadow13 a better key for americans
Blue = Republicans Red = Democrats Orange = Liberal Democrats + Liberal Republicans Purple = Tea Party
The core problem is the "winner take all" outcome. You can use the best voting system possible to make outcomes less unrepresented (which is yes/no for each candidate) but you will ultimately not represent everyone, just whichever group is largest.
"Government isn't a sport where a singular "winner" must be determined. It's a system to make rules that everyone follows..."
Hey man, I just wanted to highlight this sentence. Watched this video when I was new to politics, and this comment really changed my perspective on right vs left and other people.
Everyone's voice is equal. Even if you disagree with someone, you gotta recognize their opinion is equal to yours in value, and that's important because we're all affected by the system. It would be wrong if one "team" always won, because that's just a dictatorship where one side doesn't get a voice.
Tell it to the Democrat Party. They haven't accepted an election loss in more than 20 years and this time they've decided they don't need to abide by them anymore when it's trivially easy to cheat and no one on the other side has the guts to stop you.
@@RedSiegfried you seem like the kind of guy who thinks hand counting is safer than a machine. Hint: only one of those has bias.
@@Maxatal Watch Tom Scott's video(s) about electronic voting. A voting machine can be hacked by one lucky individual. Hand counting has bias, but it doesn't scale well. Hand counting _is_ safer than a machine, on a large scale.
@@Woodside235 I’m sure cash is safer than our entire credit system too. How about you never use electronic money again?
In a dictatorship it's not a case of one side doesn't get a voice, it's a case of the majority doesn't get a voice.
Coming from an American where there are two choices, shit or shitter.
That's only until the primaries are over; once those end, it's one or the other mostly.
Are you brother of Andy Murray?
Atleast you have Sanders, although wall street tries to put him down.
No, we have the _illusion_ of Sanders. It's going to be either Clinton or Trump.
Jerkwad152 Where's your resistance then? I wonder what happens when Sanders finally loses. Will American people just sit down and do nothing? I'm really curious.
This video is terrible if you're colorblind
So are pie charts in general.
The video is terrible full stop. A load of leftist loser shite!
Mick.T. Shaft pardon?
@@argumengenichyperloquaciou4115 Oi! Florence Nightingale first used them to prove that British soldiers needed better medical treatment.
Only the British or the Japanese or the Japanobritainican Roaring Lion of the Rising sun say "oi!"
Weird Americans, too, but they usually just catch British when they visit the UK. The dialects are like a plague.
This was an amazing video while I like the use of the animal kingdom analogy to avoid pointing your finger or supporting anyone's side, a real world example like this helps put things in a perspective. And you still avoided making any particular side besides the voting system itself look bad which I hugely respect
I like to think this started the whole... situation the UK is in now
probably, I live in the Uk and it's going like the inside of spongebob's mind in that one episode
@@dr.snailracer1912 yeah same
CGP Grey 2015: "Why the UK Election Results are the Worst in History"
Theresa May 2017: Hold my tea
gold
My tea lol
coffee is my tea
I love how you said Hold my tea instead of beer
Um actually, using the 'misrepresentation error' method in the video it was one of the 'best'. Conservative (blue) and Labour (red) got 82.4% of the vote and 89.1% of the seats. The misrepresentation error was only 17.4%, the lowest in over 50 years.
Would you mind updating this?
The 2019 result was better
@@fatherfountain1906 no it wasnt, it was even worse
@@succhiatoredelcazzo4689 no it wasn't the misrepresentation error was 32%
@@fatherfountain1906 mk, still horrible however
@@succhiatoredelcazzo4689 yea its horrible im really disappointed labour didnt get pwned harder
"The Wrekin" is pronounced "Reek-in".
The British phrase "Going about the Wrekin" means to talk without getting to the point as "The Wrekin" is a large hill in Shropshire, UK.
I made a similar spreadsheet for the 2018 Mexican general elections. Mexico does not have a first past the post system for the legislature, but a plurinominal representation system. In 2018, nine parties spread out in three alliances participated. Even though around 1% of the population voted for independents, no independent got seats in either chamber of congress.
Plurinominal representation means that an specific number of legislative seats are given to political parties to fill at their whim based on the proportion of votes they got in each plurinominal district in the country.
Mexico has five plurinominal districts, they range from having 62 constituencies to 54. Each plurinominal district has 40 legislative seats in the lower house. In the upper house, there's only a national list of 32 legislative seats.
After the election, the amount of votes each party got is tallied, parties who got less than 3% of the vote are removed, and the 200 lower house and 32 upper house seats are distributed between the rest of the parties.
For instance, in 2018 PRI got 17.3% of the popular vote, but only 2.33% of the FPTP legislative seats, then they were awarded 19% of plurinominal seats, so their share of legislators in the lower house grew to 9%.
Another example, PES got 18.7% of FPTP legislative seats but only 2.51% of the popular vote, they were no plurinominal seats assigned to them, and as a consequence their share of legislative seats decreased to 11.2%
In the case of all parties and political alliances, the plurinominal system reduced the amount of misrepresentation.
The misrepresentation error for the lower house of congress was: 35.2% net, and after parliamentary alliances were considered, it went down to 32.5%. Had a FPTP system been used, it would've gone up to 64.9%.
The misrepresentation error for the upper house of congress was: 21% net, and after parliamentary alliances were considered, it went down to 19% Had a FPTP system been used, it would've gone up to 67.9%.
In the lower house, 300 seats are given out based on FPTP, while 200 are given out through PRS
In the upper house, 64 seats are given out based on FPTP, 32 seats are given out to the second place party in each state, and 32 other seats are given through PRS.
These videos are like crack. Just one more hit before bed...
I don't think that's how crack works, not a lot of sleeping after a hit :P
that's the point, I guess
Ehh, I'll play for 5 mins...
[2 hours later]
2 hours have passed already?
I ended up learning a lot about Queen Lion
no he is a false Omnissiah
"The Wrekin" is pronounced reeking as in "you reek"
P.s yes, I do live there.
wrekin boys
I live in Spelthorne, which is just below Wrekin in terms of accurate representation.
So you reckon, "Wrekin," should be reckoned as, "reekin'." Got it.
@@bug5654 If you don't reckon it that way, you're wreckin' the Wrekin.
boris win with super majority
Oh CGP Grey, my sweet summer child, this video was the time before Brexit was voted. This parliament fragmentation was nothing compared to the real shitshow that began one year later. And well, then 2020 with Covid-19 and a failing Brexit. History is weird but fascinating, isn't it?
The election he's referring to actually had less misrepresentation than Brexit
0:56 This map is a lot more accurate than it should be
But why did the UK reject the alternative vote referendum in 2011?
I can't think of a single valid reason why first post the post would be preferable.
it was because of media fear mongering on the subject
Slightly Salted Tacos Well apparently you are completely right about that.
When opponents come with things like this:
"The Alternative Vote is a complicated, expensive and unfair system that gives some people more votes than others. It might sound like a small change but the danger is in the detail -- it's a politicians' fix.
Governments would be selected through backroom deals and people would have no control over where their vote goes. It should be voters that decide who the best candidate is, not the voting system. Defend one person, one vote. Vote NO to AV on 5 May."
Than you know how people vote has nothing to do with actual reality.
AV is neither complicated, expensive or unfair. It does nothing to cause more backroom deals and IT GIVES EVERY PERSON ONE VOTE.
PROPAGANDA.
I tell you what after the alternative vote referendum and the recent brexit referendum I truly believe most of my countrymen are incapable of thinking for themselves. People don't realize that its not the medias jib to tell the truth and so they believe it all without looking it up. I had to explain to my own grandparents that a referendum isn't a vote its just a large scale poll and they didn't believe me.
Proportional representation was framed (by the ruling party) as producing weak coalition governments that were ineffectual, despite the fact that the coalition government at the time (admittedly, the first one to last a full term) was working reasonably well.
"Democracy."
Good thing Sweden is using a system where each party gets the number of seats proportional to the votes they got. 20% of the votes = 20% of the power.
still happy with my democracy in swizerland
and hi there my neutral friend
Sweden is also using a system where ISIS members who return to sweden get driver's licenses and housing opportunities, so, you know, take that with a grain of salt.
Ærik Bjørnsson Not relevant to democracy. Your opinion is not relevant.
Erik Holgersson
sort of is though, because when Sverige is under Sharia Law in 50 years, there won't be any democracy
In Malta, we use the Single Transferable Vote system - divided into 13 districts each electing 5 seats for Parliament. Hence for a district majority, a party needs at least 3 seats.
@Suppertimepuss2 Over an Ancient tooth which by law shouldn't have been taken like that. And actually, everyone including me laughed over it cause it's ridiculous.
Yeah my constituency's MP lived at the top of my street and I didn't know until they moved out
For people saying the 2019 got it even worse: You're wrong!
2015:
Tories' 37% of votes were boosted to 51% of seats (13.9% misrepresentation)
Labour had 5.2% misrepresentation, UKIP 12.5%, LD 6.7%, SNP 3.9%, Greens 3.6% and others about 2% combined, making it 47.6% in total.
2019:
Tories' 44% of votes were boosted to 56% of seats (12.6% misrepresentation)
Labour had 1.1 misrepresentation, LD 9.9%, LD 3.5%, Greens 2.5% and others (I suppose) about 2% combined. That should be around 32% if I count correctly. That is around 15% better than 2015. Also note that each and every big party had a smaller representation error in 2019 than in 2015, only further confirming the numbers.
erni muja Not necessarily, many countries in Europe use proportional representation and have functioning governments, as the parties learn to compromise and cooperate to get things done. Many of the uk’s problems with hung parliaments happened because the largest party acted like they had a majority
@erni muja No because once parties realise they'll NEVER win a majority then they're forced to work together co-operatively; see most of europe
@erni muja France has a variety on FPTP, Italy mixes FPTP and proportional representation, and Germany is perfectly stable. There seems to be an inverse relation going on here.
tony blair need we say more who cry then no one on the left
@erni muja Spain is on the verge of a third vote in the same election cycle because the parties can't compromise and make pacts.
Government is not a sport! I keep saying that every time I get the chance. Thanks CGPGrey!
Common problem in elections when you have geographic representation - which can have its upside, but as the video points out, if electoral districts have historic or engineered electoral imbalances, such that nation-wide minorities eke out wins of majorities in enough low-population areas to overcome the wide margins of nationwide majorities in high population areas, then the minority stays in power. Ultimate solution: minorities have to turn out more to vote in those close seats - and this did not seem to happen in the UK's last election cycle.
+John Blossom Proportional representation with multi-member constituencies solves the problem: you have local representation and at the same time (almost) everyone who voted in any constituency gets fairly represented in the Parliament...
az929292 In a perfect world, perhaps, but good luck getting enough green benches! To me, turnout is the key - when people care about elections, then generally the right things happen, because the elected know that the voters are aware.
That rather depends on how big you want the constituencies to be. Having grown up in a full-on PR country I don't see the point of local representation at the national level at all, but even if you do want to have it, constituencies could be much larger than they currently are, as there is no way that the difference between one part of, say, Sheffield and another part of Sheffield have such vastly different local wants and needs that they need to vote separately.
+Robert Faber I am not saying that it's right for all nations, but this is where the U.S. concept of Federalism comes in handy. You can be big and small. In New England, many towns are still governed by direct representation, in addition to the Federal/State system. But it's all moot if corporation co-opt it all...
Trial by combat on a local election level. Winner progresses to next level. Winner becomes prime minister. Televise it.
I second this man's motion
The ayes have it.
My simple proposed solution for the UK: The election takes place in the same way as always, but the scoring takes place differently. After the election, all candidates of a party form a list per region, whereby the candidates are sorted in descending order with their election success in percent. Finally, according to the regional results, all parties move into parliament on a representative basis, with the candidates determined by the list. Through this, the best winners of the respective constituencies move into parliament.
Of course, one must then still possibly create a 3-percent-barrier clause. Otherwise, a party that won only 1% of the vote in Southeast-England would theoretically have to enter parliament with one candidate, which makes coalitions much more difficult and strengthens radical positions.
The problem with this, of course, is that it can happen that a constituency has no representation in parliament at all, because all parties there have performed worse than in other constituencies. Here, however, one could still introduce a compensation mechanism, so that the winner of this constituency takes the place of the worst winner of his party, which would still enter the parliament. This mechanism could theoretically trigger a chain reaction. If the worst winner of his party is also the only candidate in the constituency who enters parliament, this mechanism would continue to run. And once the top of the list is reached, the constituency that triggered this chain reaction would not receive any representation in parliament. However, this compensation mechanism would make many things unnecessarily complicated and make less educated voters appear undemocratic.
Homer talking to Bart: "Worst election...so far!"
Comic book guy
The whole analysis is idiotic it kinda pisses me off actually.
@@jaywogan168 why?
Ah, I remember watching this and thinking "Wow, Canadian elections could never be that bad"
Boy was I wrong
Canadian elections are fine
John Wayne They might be, but our Prime Minister isn’t
True have you seen his Gotie
True but you guys don't elect your senate :/ (I really shouldn't be talking tho, I'm from the US and our legislature and electoral college aren't exactly representative either...)
Eric Cholico Actually the US Senate is more representative then the Canadian Senate. You guys at least have the electoral college and various other mechanisms that allow for an at least somewhat representative Senate. However, in Canada the Governor-General (on behalf of Her Majesty the Queen) appoints all Senators on the advice of the Prime Minister. Yours are indirectly elected, while ours are appointed.
Watching during 2020 US election week and laughing nervously.
2:36 I'm from that area✊
We call it the "reekin" not the "reckin" tho😂✊
Me too! I bugged me too!
I’m not from the U.K, so I wouldn’t have got that either…
Funny how you call the Tories "team blue" and Labour "team red" 😂
Dottoman maybe the tories should be red too to represent the bloodshed they cause from police and NHS cuts
KenzoTenma _ no Corbyn has a rainbow coloured flag to represent all his dream ‘policies’ he will implement when he will become PM like getting rid of the royal family
@Dottoman lmao free healthcare and shit = CZOMMINUsm
@@poison9795 no John Mcdonald and Momentum self labelling themselves as Marxist =Communist
Ummm, I'm pretty sure it's always been like that- conservatives have been associated with the color blue for decades (at least) because of their association with aristocracy/royalty while Labour has always been in red because of it having more socialist/anti-monarchical leanings it's only in the US that it's flipped because red was used for Republicans and blue for Democrats in the 2000 election and the colors just stuck in everybody's heads because of how drawn out it was
Oh, I thought you were going to make a video on how the Tories are going to fuck everything up.
Itzzwan Everyone knows that already.
Itzzwan enventhough they are fixing the mess that was left by Labour
Emperor Seals who were fixing the mess left by the Tories. It's all a matter of perspective.
luke nisbet there was no mess to fix when tony blair got in power
I wasn't alive then i'm just guessing
The MP you're voting for is listed on the ballot slip 🙄. I knew exactly who my MP was going to be.
Unless you write to your MP and attend their surgeries, chances are you don't know who your local MP is. I think that was the videos point. People don't go to ballots thinking "I'm voting for X my local MP" they go there to pick the party of the who they want to be prime minister.
I'm in the UK and most people don't understand how it all works and why it doesn't work. Your videos has been very helpful.
Germany has a great system: In the election for the parliament you have 2 votes: One for the local representative and one for a party. The local representatives are guaranteed a seat in the parliament, but the whole parliament has to be divided between the parties as close as possible to the results of the 2nd vote. The parties with too few seats just get more.
That way the parliament represents the whole country while people can still choose between local representatives.
Bibbedibob that's what I thought as well. At first it looked like the British one works like that as well, but somehow they messed up majorly somewhere along the lines
***** calling the CDU far left is absurd, for example: they oppose same sex marriage while other parties such as Linke or Grüne support it
Yeah, just forget about the christianity in the name of your party and let them die slowly in the mess you have supported, in the end its their fault to suffer, they could have chosen to be born in america!
That's called MMP, which is a good voting system.
Lol it seems the parties in Germany just like parties all around the world, don't give a fuck about ideologies anymore lol
We (I'm British) had a referendum to see weather we should change to a more 'fair' voting system in 2010/2012 and it got rejected.
whether*
@@thehiddenninja3428 Yes, we usually only see 'weather' and 'fair' in the same sentence when it's wrong.
The way you said the wrekin kills me inside man
Thanks so much. Please do a presentation on the governments of other countries
The UK did have a vote for people to decide on whether or not it should switch to AV.
Funnily enough, the two parties that are kept in power by FPTP campaigned against it to the extreme. Yay.
🤦♂
Yeah we need to pull a whigs on one of the parties, see how they will argue then
AV wasn't proportional representation. This is often used as a counter argument to PR but its not valid at all.
AV wouldn't change much in this case, maybe it could be good for a presidential election but it really doesn't solve the problem when electing seats to the parliment. MMP or STV is the way to go here.
Labour did not campaign against it
I voted! My vote made precisely zero percent difference to the outcome!
neildKoR Yeah, that argument for voting sucks.
Harry Strong No it doesn't...
neildKoR And? You don't always win do you?
Harry Strong Indeed, the only time this 'argument' if you can even call it that matters is if you live in a safe constituency where you're voting against the holders.
neildKoR It did make a difference: Every vote without representation is a prove for the broken election system. Your vote will have a long therm benefit for your country.
(I hope you have independent judges in the UK - in Switzerland, we have the issue that the government can choice the judges in the highest courts - kind of an issue when the voting system is the case to be decided...)
mfw 8 year long downward spiral
"Why 2015 election results are the worst in history"
2019: "hold my beer"
2015 was wayyy worse. 2019 was just a clear up of the last election.
2019 was only bad if you're one of the 4 people left who still like Corbyn lmao
it's more like hold my election
@@silverhost9782 Or one of the 130,000 people who died needlessly from Covid.
@@michaelcoward1902 That implies that they wouldn't have died if Labour had won... which is pretty funny man
Anyone here after the 2019 UK election?
Thanks RUclips algorithm
Sam Derbyshire seems like it’s in everyone’s recommended
Yup
Heyo! Hung Parliament is worthless, so representation doesn't help!
@@enayatchoudhury5431 because who loves it when less than 50% of the population gets the say and everyone else means nothing, brexit party and green party for around 2% each, 0 seats, while another got 0.7 and 7 seats, seems pretty democratic, i assume with this you are a tory
It appears this video was taken as a challenge...
In Québec, the last provincial election in 2018 gave the winning party (CAQ) 74 out of 125 seats with 37.4% of the popular vote. It's ridiculous. The party even promised electoral reform before the election but, seeing as they won because of the flaws in the system, they never brought it up again.
Well it is going to referendum at the same time as the next election.
am i the only one who just keeps hearing jason weiser bidding me welcome to his podcast? i mean that background music is just eternally connected to myths and legends because of that poscast
FPTP also reinforces regional divides in the UK. In Scotland, the SNP got ~50% if the vote but ~95% if the seats, meaning that Scottish unionists have almost no voice in parliament despite making up half of the population. People in the mostly rural Home Counties were seemingly all Conservative except for university towns like Oxford and Exeter, while most of Wales, London and the other major Northern cities (Manchester, Leeds etc.) were seemingly all Labour. This is, of course, misrepresentative of the populations of these areas as a whole.
At a time when the geographic divisions of the UK are stronger than ever, FPTP is making them even worse.
Purple was UKIP wasn't it?
kacper szyniec I believe it is
Yes.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MPs_elected_in_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010
Yep.
As one who understand UK political parties (mostly, here's my guess)-
Blue: Tories
Red: Labour
Yellow: SNP
Orange: Lib Dems
Purple: UKIP
Green: Greens
Light Brown: DUP
Dark Green: Plaid Cymru
Forest Green: Sinn Fein
Gray: Independents
Light Green: UUP
yep
finally. someone gets it. the uk election system's tactic is essentially to create enough voting to create the illusion of democracy but enough rues and roundabouts to schew the results in favour of the two major parties
i like the changes to all the old thumbnaisls
do you have any thoughts on the recent Australian federal election?
with approximately 11% of the national vote going to our Greens party, yet only receiving 1 of the 150 seat in the House of Representatives, and the whole mess with potential minority governments. Don't forget Australia does use a STV voting system, and has mandatory voting
The best way to think of STV is that it provides the solution that minimizes dissatisfaction, and the Greens are such a polarizing party that while 11% of people voted for them, most of the country voted for "anybody but them". At least, that's what I assume happened - I'm from inner Melbourne, so most people I know voted Green.
Does Australia use STV? We only have 1 member per electorate. We use preference voting. The senate does represent Australia as a whole better because greens have a similar number of senators to their amount of voters, however it isn't perfect because each states selects 12 instead of the whole country selecting 76.
Zanlo
preference voting IS stv... if number one doesnt get it, your Single Vote Transfers down your list to number 2......
Australia doesn't have STV, it has PV: Preferential Voting where candidates are ranked for a single electorate. This system solves half of the problems of FPP and one I think the UK would like best. There is still one MP for one electorate with no list MPs, but each MP is chosen by actual preferential consensus for each seat.
Greens still don't win seats simply because Liberal voters would still rather Labor get the seat than them.
Miles Anderson It's also because Greens are concentrated in Melbourne and surrounding areas so a large part of their vote is spread out around Melbourne.
True. I am 47 years old and have never ever been represented in parliament. When I was young I lived in a Tory stronghold and was told to vote Lib Dem because Labour had no chance of winning there. Now I am older I vote Green. There is only one Green MP in the whole UK despite many thousands voting Green consistently. We do not live in a democracy.
Still though, support bases for all parties are growing. The likelihood of another Labour win is steadily increasing.
Josie Fox we need to implement PR ASAP
My MP is Green
Thats why i need absolulte power again
Yo my town was in this vid. Big ups big man
The Scottish National Party in Scotland got nearly 100% of Scotland's 56 seats, yet gained only 50% of the popular vote. FPTP is a total national disgrace, we need change.
Grey: the UK elections are the worst in history
America: hold my beer
Crisperz I don't think you really understood the video if you think that. The u.s. election makes sense since States vote, because of the Electoral College and because we are a federal republic. there's is 31 Flavors more fucked up since they should have first past the goal. just because Trump won and he wasn't your guy doesn't make the u.s. presidential election worse than this so again I'm going to go back to you don't understand what this video really meant and I'm going to go out on a limb and say you probably don't understand us elections either that well
Jon Smith the someone only needs 13 states to become the president
Watery American beer at that.
K-state refs are rigged you’re a bonafide idiot.
K-state refs are rigged because the person with the most v otes not being elected is fair. For reference, i didnt like clinton much (though i like her a bit more than trump), i supported sanders
There's an entire paragraph in my politics textbook dedicated to this election.
I didn't realize the UK uses first-past-the-post.
His whole analysis is idiotic. In fact two party system might be better than multiparty. As those succumb to fascism easier it seems.
2019 election: hold my beer
smh it's political violence time
@@slaughterround643 ready the milkshakes
*mosin nagants
Technicly 2019s Misrepresentation Error is Lower than 2015s. mostly because of how terrible the Brexit Party did.
@@WanukeX More like how the Brexit party basically did not contest the Tory party.
I mean it's not the fault of the parties either, it's the fault of the people and the government for not implementing change to the voting system. Not enough people want it and government is too busy with everything else.
Yeah email club!
your channel is awesome!
Watching CTG Grey videos is like learning algebra. Now that you learnt it exists, you are in pain but learning about it is necessary (to some extent).
Not having algebra would be so much more painful. You'd waste so much time describing problems with paragraphs of words instead
Aaaaaaand guess what? In Canada, it's exactly the same thing...
+Mercure250
Obviously, nations like Canada and India modelled their systems around the British ones. Not real big news.
+Attila the Fun Australia and New Zealand managed to change theirs to something infinitely less terrible, Alternate vote/Instant runoff voting/preferential and Mixed Member proportional respectively.
Canada, your turn!
mugy7 I would like to. But you know. Conservatism.
+Mercure250 That's cos Britain invented Canada.
+Cycling in Edmonton from the Eyes of a Teen
Yes but at the same time, how the hell would any party actually rule? The answer? They wouldn't. Our parties disagree on almost all points, and if any party could not get a majority, we would be absolutely fucked, especially now that the right-wing is united. Nothing would get done and all the house would do would be argue, argue, argue.
Furthermore, the system Trudeau wants is corrupt as fuck. I believe it would result in the Liberals ALWAYS becoming the opposition. I think it is because you must make a first and second (and third?) choice on your ballots, and our PM knows Conservative voters will have to vote Lib as their second choice. Thanks but no thanks.
Also, bloc quebecois and green, do we REALLY want them getting more representation?
Makes me think of Trump being the Republican front runner.
Less than 30% of Republicans support him, yet he's in front.
+Equestrian Republican
38%. And a majority of Republicans will support him as the other candidates drop out, and as he does more rallies and debates.
I heard it's gone down from 30%, Ben Carson is the front now. In many polls at least.
It's all just polls, and elections are a year away. The time to panic has not yet been reached.
There's always time to panic.
+Equestrian Republican so now we have an idiot and a madman at the front of the GOP. Phenomenal.
Dictatorship Lite here is....also known as....an oligarchy? A very well put together video to explain clearly! Thank you ❤️💛🧡💚💜
This is the most hilarious video that at the same team is super educational aswell xd
I wouldn't be surprised if FPTP is correlated with low voter turnout.
It is - why bother voting if you don´t fit the Tory/Republican or Labour/Democrat mold?
I actually did an analysis on this and while it's not statistically proven, there is quite a correlation.
Mattias Sollerman Referendum had an over 70% turnout.
some body that would seem to imply that turnout increases when people are confident that their vote isn't wasted
rhysepoos yep.
i think this title needs a replacement at this point..
Abd Alrahim Fadila Let's say British history then
Not even, what about Brexit!
James Court what about it this is about the 2014 the brexit vote was far more representitive than this as it worked for FPTP voting unlike the election which does not as it has multiple paries running not just 2 options
Manchester United will die Eeaeaag...
Its just as profund in this context as saying Brexit is a victory against socialism.
Maybe you should think what you really want instead of resorting to platitudes.
Jon Fox they only got 3.9% more votes than remain when the leave campaign lied how is that democratic
There's one issue with the presumption that Parliament doesn't represent the population, which is operating on the assumption that everyone votes. If you live in a constituency where your party has 50% (or some amount more) of the support of the constituents, and is facing something like eight other candidates who are equally divided, then the margin of lazy voters has to be ENORMOUS for your candidate to fail, therefore most people who might support a popular party can safely not show up to vote, secure in the knowledge that their candidate will win anyway. Unless the total turnout is very high compared to the number of people who can vote, you can't truly determine if the final parliamentary numbers are actually representative or not.
The music is also used on the Myths & Legends podcast and that's almost all I could think about for the whole video.
Knew someone in comments would say this. I got so confused when I heard it!
Blue - Conservative
Red - Labour
Orange - Liberal Democrats
Yellow - Scottish National Party
Green - Either Plaid Cymru, Sinn Féin or Green Party (depending on the shade of green)
Purple - United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP)
Dark Red - DUP
Grey - Any lowstream independent party
English independent party
I was sent here by a man who drove a tank out of a cargo plane, landed it safely underwater, survived nearly drowning, then stole a nuns jet ski.
+Jack Campbell What has nerdcubed to do with this? Did he refer to this video?
(i'm probably one of few getting the reference but not aware of it)
Yes, it was his Mystery Vid
+Ramschat Twas one of his Mystery Videos.
***** Yes, and its official spokesperson, Dan
+Jack Campbell Nice reference to the Nerd Cubed!
Here's a thought I keep having and nobody ever seems to consider: why do representatives have to be based on geography? We are well and truly past the point where it's actually necessary, and the drawbacks are clear that large swaths of people don't get represented by their representative this way (and also that politicians wrangle reelection by trying to benefit a location instead of people). So what is wrong with just having a bank of potential representatives and then letting people choose to be part of their constituency?
Maybe it goes like this: someone wants to be a decision-maker, so they sign up to be one, and provide a list of qualifications, goals, and intents. Then "voters" go to a website, enter in the issues they care about, and to what degree, and then based on their input, the computer offers qualified suggestions for particularly representative representatives, and then the "voter" picks one, and that person's personal platform is added to their pile. The bigger the pile, the bigger the political influence the representative wields, but importantly, it only comes from people that representative actually represents, both by platform and by choice.
It might be very different from the power structures people are used to these days, but it's inherently self-balancing, and potential chaos can be mitigated by restricting how often people can change their constituency (once every six months, maybe?). As a bonus, it means that there would be political churn happening all the time, so there would never be a moment where election fever takes over and everyone gets crazy political.
This doesn't seem like how democracy was intended.
Dictatorship lite!
Democracy is just as evil as a dictatorship. Its why it isn't a democracy and happens to be a republic
@@Kinnectxfollower a republic is a system of government where the leader of the nation was born as a normal citizen, as opposed to monarchy where the leader was born to become the king. Democracy is a system where every citizen has an equal portion of the political power, as opposed to dictatorship where only a single person has political power. You can have a republican dictatorship and a republican democracy.
@@falquicao8331 ? what does that even mean. I'm not talking about the political party's lol. I'm talking about the actual meaning of the word. Republic. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch. wtf r u on about
@@Kinnectxfollower That's... exactly what I said. I was explaining that you can have democracy *and* a republic at the same time, which your first comment suggests is impossible
Better than only have 2 parties *cough* America *cough*
Well it at least percentages can be more fairly represented
+Purple Fox We basically have two parties, unless you're racist.
+G-Rex What are their racist policies? I am Canadian lol so I don't know shit about the UK. All I know is that UKIP wants to leave the EU.
Philippe Dionne-Gosselin I'm no expert either, but we have UKIP and the BNP (British national party). I don't follow it too closely because it's all bullshit, but those two are racist, along with their supporters. So many people in this country are racist it's unbelievable.
I think they want to kick out the immigrants or something. You might want to check out a better source than me, but every policy I've heard from them sounds like justified racism.
"Rebecca will be an ethnic minority in her British ancestral homeland when she grows up, unless you take action today."
^^^On their homepage, pretty much sums them up. www.bnp.org.uk/ If you're interested :)
Philippe Dionne-Gosselin Oh, and there's the Monster Raving Looney Party!
Same in India.
The present ruling party got just 31% of national votes.
In my country only about 50% of people went vote, and the ruling party got 35% (and formed coalition/ bribed lesser entities to join them to get over 50% in parliament). That means they rule with support of about 20% of the population.
Marginally better than monarchy, where only priests and nobles ruled (5%), but still bad... It's not what democracy should be.
Shut up idiot, they won most of the seats. It is one of the highest vote shrare in history. Don't use stupid statistics to deceive.
@@hollyholm4481 "don't use maths and logic, my feelings are importantier"
Well a few hundred years of colonial rule tends to do that to a country. Or if you will "the apple does not fall far from the tree"
Americans seeing more than 2 colors must be very confused
I’m not confused. I’ll admit I don’t have a lot of knowledge on politics in the U.K (in case you weren’t aware, schools don’t have the time to teach us everything about every other country on Earth).
It’s more overwhelming thinking about how hard it would be to be an independent with this many parties.
@@agent_sus3273 what do you mean by "an independent"
@@lietajucemaciatko383 In US politics, independent voters (not to be confused with the independent party) are generally defined as people who completely identify with any political party and/or vote exclusively for a party. Also known as unaffiliated or swing voters.
I suppose that might be a bit confusing to anyone who isn’t familiar with US politics, so sorry about the confusion.
The amount of time people i know say they want to not vote for a certain party on a national scale but have to on a local scale for their county is saddening