What Makes a 6k Offlane Player? (An In-Depth Analysis)
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What Makes a 6k Offlane Player? (An In-Depth Analysis) 
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I've played this game for over 6 years. At first i was just having fun but over time, being better than i was before was my new definition of fun.
I watch famous dota teachers like bowie, purge, gameleap, and Jenkins. I still love jenkins since he is my most watched teacher but man, BSJ is on a whole lot different kind of level.
This literally made me change my mindset on how dota works. Before i thought it's the big plays like last hits, kills, and item builds that matters but no, BSJ thought me its all the little things that were applied from minute 0 up to the end of the game is what determines which team will win and if im getting better than before. Thanks BSJ! I truly appreciate your hardwork. If i had enough money to pay you for your premium tutorials, I would, just need to save little more money from my work.
ive only just started watching videos. i've played since 2007 original dota (almost 13 years) on and off with years of breaks in between. Probably 3-4k worth of hours on dota2 and im still 2k trash lol. Watching BSJ feels like the "missing pieces" to why i suck, such as mindset, decision making and most importantly QUESTIONING everything I do or should do. I'm hoping to hit 3k this year :)
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@@mrguy7582 13 years and you are 2k. I would just quit if I was you. You just don’t got it and never will if you can’t learn to be a good player in 13 years lmaooo. Like what. You should easily be 8k+
@@phashin who hurt you bro? I only play for fun lol
“Do you have the map awareness of a potato, yes”
“Do you have the map awareness of a potato, absolutely"
“Do you have the map awareness of a potato?”
I would love to respond, but I am a potato, therefore I don’t possess the bodily structures necessary for speech.
Hi, Im a potato
@@biggusdickus9652 yukon gold or russett?
Best moment hahahaha
"You are not an individual on this team, you are a part of a group of 5." I think that problem isnt limited to NA i think its pretty common on all servers. I mean i play on SEA and this looked like a pretty good team to me. I've also played on European server a few times and got teammates who play as if their team doesn't exist.
I think NA is the only server that has that trash mentality even in the very high brackets, I'm fairly certain past 4 maybe 5k mmr it disappears in other servers normally.
I have played in SEA for a while and then moved to Europe. In EU people play a lot more as a team and overall are more oriented towards playing as a team rather than solo carrying. Exceptions are everywhere though.
i think he's implying this to overall mentally , I've went from 3k to 6,5k in EU and overall people play more as a team than solo gameplay. A chinese friend of mine who studied at oxford england told me that in chinese players are more prone to playing like a unit/team but EU players are vastly more skilled
@@o.m.9752 no it doesnt disappear in SEA lmfao, it gets worse.
@@lalalala-cs3tn Im a 3k player and i can assure you there are some people who play for the team.
Been getting into offlane a lot more. Nice timing w the video
Offlane sucks lol
@rico john firmanes Offlane is all about how to trade in a 2v1 scenario coz ur sups usually just roams. Its fun if ur against a jugg ogre or drow undying etc
*Not fun
Pick up Bara, build pipe and blademail, instant win.
@@Reilly13445 timber would eat up a jugg ogre lane for breakfast. Just need the levels, which can be achieved with good lane equilibrium and having a good pos4 who can contest pulls.
Very Cool Guide!
As myself a 4k offlaner, these tidbits details about what the offlaner needs to do are absolutely helpful and eye-opening.
25:21 BSJ even made me feel guilty for Underlord's teammates too....cmon man,get your boiz greaves next time
and pipe!
Amazing use of silence
Love the vids BSJ, always something to learn from every video.
Love this daily dose of dota ! Thanks a lot BSJ (commenting for the algorithm)
Great video. I feel like games like this can be deceiving without such an in depth analysis. He ended up winning despite his mistakes, but in a harder game it could be game losing
"You absolute knucklehead"
-Me in 2k
Glad this video came up. I often have points in Underlord games where our team feels giga weak and now I know why. I'm not looking at my team and going "how can I patch this up, what items help the boys out here?"
super informative bsj, im just 4k and never really vary the builds I use too much
BSJ coming off like a disappointed dad. "COME ON MAN"
I love this replay commentary, great bsj
I'm concentrating at playing Underlord correctly and this video is a SAVIOR! Thank you BSJ, all your comments on how this hero works align perfrectly with what I see in the game as this hero! I hope I get +1000 MMR after watching this :)
Don't forget to buy auras of course for the youtube algorithm
i feel a MASSIVE gap in "thinking", ATTEMPTING to transition from support to offlane. This HELPED!!!!!!! Keep bringing out more more more more. Danke!
Indepth Analysis AKA: THE ATOS?!
what about atos?
Thank you so much for this video. Changed a lot of my view about an offlane approach. Really appreciate this video. TY.
part of why i like to play support, i get to pick first knowing my job is to enable, because when i'm giving last pick as a carry, i can't quickly identify what my team needs
For the algorithm thank you for being a great coach BSJ
BSJ, you often talk about the job any given hero should fulfill in the game. Could you make a video explaining these jobs and which ones we should have in a team to win? Thanks for the great videos! Peace.
great video! i am guilty of going into games as 3 with the carry mindset >.
Thanks BSJ, very cool!
Hello BSJ , I wanted to tell you something when I watch to your videos I really feel someone who really care about to have positive effects, I want to tell you thank you very much for your great videos you really make Dota 2 better game by creating better players , I am just a 3k player, nothing at all but I learn lots of things from yourvideos and they really work. thank you again 🙏🏻
BSJ's explanations of Dota's, often difficult to explain, conceptual knowledge is amazing. It's also interesting the people following cookie-cutter builds (eg. soul ring on offlaners even in unfavorable matchups) is something that happens even in higher mmrs
brilliant insight, thx !
These high MMR replay analysis are my fave playlist of this channel 💙💙
I feel like he decided his items before the draft even finished. Like his thoughts were "I'm gonna play underlord and buy hood + rod cuz strong"
Wow amazing content dude.
As an Underlord spammer (but at 4k MMR), it's very useful to see this kind of video and learn how to think and approach the game before to play it (like, "OK, what I really need to be more efficient and have a impact on the match"). Many thanks for the video !
@Skaar As a herald I am playing with NS and Underlord... Curious to know, whats the best scenary to pick this hero? Ty
You really deliver quality content BSJ. Unfortunately I do not play Dota anymore due to interest and time, but have seen your steam on twitch a few times in some weekends. Remember when you started where you only had 100-300 viewers and the pro players in genereal did not respect you. Now things have changed and you have over 4000 viewers on your steams and got the respect with your high skills and influence in the Dota community. You deserve it. Keep up the good work!
Good content thanks bsj
Awesome analisis
BJS please make a video about how to itemize against every hero in lane/gameplay
i love to hear your vision about what will happen in the game, that very make sense
Underlord, more like not Oracle.
now i understand why i cant win when i play offlaner. I always buy items based on enemy cuz i am usually play carry but it wont work on offlaners
I mean, it's prettty obvious! |You got Shaker and MK, one builds blink dagger, the other has a blink dagger type escape/initiation (MK tree dance) and you also have ursa that sometimes builds blink in order to jump the backline. OF COURSE you make a pipe, it absorbs magical damage that prevents blink dagger cancelation, it prevents blink going into 3 sec cooldown. You literallly enable at least 2 of your teammates with pipe active. Build it! Build pipe! Otherwise zeus will ruin your game! 100%
when I saw him pushing bot tier 1 with 4 heroes missing, I felt a relief that even 6k players do that. Im 2k btw
edit: For the ALGORITHM!
">space created"
Thx BSJ
The best "paradox" of dota is that the best possible play route to maximize your individual impact is actually playing for the team. 100% of the time. Thats why when carrys build damage items they are precisely playing for the team. Tl;dr get your auras man!
Thx good videeo, more videos like this so much good informations
Doing it for the algorithm. Btw love your content BSJ!
gracias bsj
I think this was super applicable to other positions too.
I'm also 6k and also an underworld player. Though I'm a pos5 player mostly. The moment I see the opponents line up, I would
think I need greeves pipe and lotus.
BSJ is like my friend who worked at a pizzeria and always said: „tell me your order and I tell you who you are“ only that BSJ does this in Dota. Loving it ❤
Good Video!
For me it looks like he wants to play carry. Every item helps him to get kills.
27:37 spot on, it's really frustrating. yea I'm not a great player but atleast I'm trying to cooperate and work together to win. this bleeds into many other multiplayer games too. it's the selfish individual I'M GONNA GET MINE attitude that ruins games
Liked, commenting, have subscribed
BSJ - everyone's last hope. Ever since I found BSJ I increased my mmr by a 1000
grats on being 1k
@@verycalmgamer4090 Sadge
So, you finally calibrated and got 1k?
0 here
Yeh hes the who help me get to ancient 3 from legend
BSJ, a question about what u said at min 23:50~ about pressuring top instead of bot cuz of ursa.
As an underlord, isn’t it better to pressure the tower bot to attract tps and ult away top for rosh? So the enemy team has no time to respond?
Cuz if under threatens the tower top, it will draw the enemy no?
I think he was referring to pressure top being more valuable. Radiant feels more pressure to defend the top t1 than the bot t2 as taking the top t1 enables a free rosh pretty much whereas pressuring the bot t2 is not even that important as underlord is unlikely to actually walk up and hit that tower. We saw in the game that it only took a spectre to counterpush underlord's bottom pressure, and making her rotate is not particularly important as she can haunt into the teamfight from anywhere. I personally think that the 4 man rotation on the underlord bottom as a response to his push was unneccessary and gave ursa a free rosh, killing underlord should not be the main objective at that point of the game as he was not creating a lot of pressure, but nonetheless they make that play and then lose a rosh fight and basically the game a while after. Compare this to if underlord pressures top. If underlord is top, he actually does create tower pressure to a significant objective, this should actually force rotations and should lead to either ursa taking a bunch of free farm in the safe areas of bottom, or an advantageous teamfight in a time where I believe dire to have a stronger 5v5 force, leading to a secured rosh just a few units away. Take this with a grain of salt tho as I am a 6.2k pos 1 player and probably not better than everyone in this match.
@@micahcollins4222 you are right l, I am a 5k player and thought that I wouldn’t want to have a tf 5v5 until my cores have bkb against that team, so my line of process was to isolate myself and draw attention at the other side of the map, so I could free the objective without having to tf. Which is what this under did. I wouldn’t feel pressured e to play around rosh cuz their rosh line up sucked a lot and I have an ursa, so, until I can guarantee a fight, which if this item build up, it wouldn’t be too early, it would be better to antagonize the enemy team away from my team and escape with my ult.
I like your explinations cause i am a 2.2k player and im allready doing what u saying with underlord, my favorite hero:)) although i think that i am not sataying how i should on the map
THank you for all the video uploaded , i learned alot ! But could you please have some subtitle ? Like auto is all right too because my main language is not English , so i cant fully understand what you say ( sorry about that ). - From your SEA fan -
how do you apply to get a replay analysis from bsj?
Offlane players in my bracket really should watch this vid. Soo many pos3 build no team items, it’s so sad
"Look at your HP and your teammates HP" Wow, could have said it better
bsj took this one personally
How exactly do you get BSJ to react to a game of yours? Do you need to be a patreon? Couldn‘t find it in his account information
That donation at the start though 😅
i play pos 4 and 5 who plays treant or undying of treant is banned/picked already so i'm learning a lot here
Saint BSJ will save the world
Being playing on and off for 6 years and I'm stuck at 1.2k mmr hell. My conduct is shit and i never understood why I keep on sucking so much.
Than i found your videos. Is like being a born again n00b. I'll start looking on how to improve myself having all this knowledge in my mind and hopefully I can hit 60% win rate and stop blaming others for my shortcomings.
my eyes burn on phase boot underlord, just comment for youtube algoritme
Iam a simple guy I see a bsj video I comment for the algorithm :)
love offlane vids
Maybe he normally plays something like slardar that can't build support auras and is used to building aggressive
Very cool
"I need an Atos" Cmon man! lmao I make this mistake endlessly.
6k to 7k bracket is a strange bracket tbh
youll see people that are pretty good but somehow still stuck in the bracket others that play "ok" but they have no idea what items they should buy and which order, others that just spam one hero and do same item build every game with no exceptions and the last type are the kind of guy that looks at everyones mistakes and writes 24/7 this last one is at least one or two of your teammates every match
ive been slowly climbing it up but man, its a struggle to have good then bad people, id say most people dont understand how hard you can snowball on early game in that bracket, others just fed up with x core and they go to the oposite side of the map
i feel bad for being in this bracket because most people are SO bad in this bracket plus the 10-20 min queue is another turn off
am slowly going up but it will take a long time, thanks to bsj id say i can own 60% of my lane stage
the fun part of the bracket is that people have their egos so big that they cant accept a mistake and they start to argue with insults and stuff, at least i find it entertaining while wining/losing lol arguing about that is unnecesary, can black list it and not see that person anymore instead at least thats the "tip" i can give to anybody that is trying hard to climb mmr
RUclips algorithm 👍
Hey BSJ, can you rate the regions from better to worst
if there is only +7k mmr players EU is best but low rank EU is just trash like any other servers. Also i think china servers are very good cuz its china
wow nice vid
Hello BSJ. How can I also get an analysation for one of my games by you :))
Quality Content +++++
As an old player coming back to DotA who has watched many BSJ videos, I was hoping someone could explain to me where MMR is found///how it alligns to the medals.
You can find your mmr under your "stats". You can google mmr to medal equivalents
HELP! How do you lane against Monkey King? He seems impossible to me to deal with and he always gets ahead.
Rotate on that nigga
Perfect example for the power spikes: Nyx is a power spike hero. Once you reach lvl 3 Vendetta at lvl 18, you can almost definitely solo kill anyone unless they are building tank builds. Lvl 6 of course is also obvious cause you get Vendetta, though, lvl 12 Vendetta is at a weird point for Nyx...it's helpful, but it's not enough of a power spike compared to lvl 18 because lvl 3 Vendetta allows you to time your ult so that you can hit someone, nuke them, wait 2 seconds and it's back up again to either allow you to safely get out or use your ult on someone again.
thank
a teammate actually flamed me bcs i didn't build greaves last game and I went for atos phaseboots. my defence is that they have 3 melee right click heroes so I need the armor and movespeed. Looking back at that game again, my team didn't have any sustain so greaves would be better.
and this video confirms it
the true offlane role only applies on a good team but if you are queued to random people you don't know, its better to transitioon to carry build, i think..
I know im more than a year late to the party, but im at 9:57 and he's talking about having not hp sustain and buying sould ring and im thinking what items id buy. and i feel like i would have had no issue with the soul ring (i don't like the item in general)
Tangos, stick, windlace, branches, maybe fairy fire, bracer, boots, wand, ring of health then soul ring. as the hp regen from the ring of health would be really needed in order to use the soul ring.
Additionally, if im against a zeus and i know im basically rushing pipe, i might even start with ring of regen to build into a headdress instead of the bracer, so im getting regen for both me and my lane partner and underlord doesnt really need much STR towards his damage, so regen is more important. in that case id maybe forgo the windlace in favor of that ring and go headdress, wand, boots, ring of regen and out sustain them with pure regen. Which actually works great vs undying who lowers your HP pool and you regen it up and then when you get your str back your at full hp.
feel free to tell me how wrong i am; im 1k, and i see the most insane item buillds all the time and it bugs me that people have no interest in itemisation in the least.
10:03 nice beat
quick question, if you playing timber and you have health issues like what bsj said in the vid, would you still go soul ring? (considering like its one of the most common build for timber to enable his kit)
Timber doesnt have health issue. The only concern for him is how much magic burst could enemy deal to him. Play around this. Its more easier to play SR in timber cz he has huge regen from reactive. But dont built it if you are against heavy magic nukes early. Opt for arcane always mostly better cz it has so many routes (bloodstone, greaves, lotus)
@@BudiTabootie Ty bro helps a lot. Also i only pick timber if i see at least 1 str core. Specially in my bracket most of the time enemy offlaners are str.
BSJ: 6k players 'dont think about the game at all'
In the meantime everyone at legend and below: Harsh bro
I m a solo offlaner ty for this herald 4 life
I'm surprised as 3k in SEA. UD should always buy sustain items as the hero is a damage soaker/utility.
i will more actively pursue buying greaves.
is double bracer viable?
" your 6k im 9k" ...... ultimate flex....
I feel like the way that this underlord spoke, they would take bsj's attitude well.
So I don't feel too bad laughing so hard on how mean bsj is being. He gives credit where credit is due. So that also lets me laugh my butt off.
And then he asks...haha..."how does that make you feel." Hahaha and pauses for effect. Haha. I love it.
Imo He's not even trying to be mean. When I teach someone like that I use the same intonation. Some people just use language like that.
Nice
Can anyone elaborate on what BSJ meant when he said "a hero people smoke to or smoke away from"? I'm guessing people smoke to means a hero people smoke gank, and smoke away means you don't typically join the smokes and kinda do you're own thing?
27:31 is the "NA's last hope" moment
Bsj be watching dr.k :D
I really think he just want some kills with that build. Not bothering whether his teammates get rekt by the pokes and burst.
Interesting, this item actually killed me XD
Liked, commented, have a nice day
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