Smurfing Done the Right Way
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The Mind of 9k BSJ vs. 3k AVG MMR : How to Dominate Your Games In Any Bracket!
Pretty good to see the effort to simulate a ranked game.
Fuck yeah, this is what I wanted. I think I don't usually face many smurfs, but seeing this is good to not promote in a passive way. Props to bsj for doing this which obviously requires more work than grabbing a low mmr account and playing a pub.
Honestly those that complaints about BSJ smurfing are making a big deal out of it. I only see maybe one or 2 smurfs in 10 games, so I don't get why people are so mad at this
@@yyong3002 exactly. Actually playing against a smurf is a good thing unless it is very very frequent. So you know actually your capabilities, you feel the level gap very deeply, and you know how bad you are. I don’t understand why people see it as a big deal if you lose because of a clear unfairness. You should just embrace it and try your best out of it. Ranked games don’t have to be always fair.
It’s easy to do this when u as popular as bsj homie
@@berryesseen well it might be a good thing if both teams r balanced in terms of skills except for that guy that's smurfing. And the average mmr is at least higher than 3.5-4k. cuz if it's lower i don't there would be any learning happening as those guys wouldn't even understand what the smurf did. And the most important part is that hes not last picking some shit like brood, huskar, tinker, arc and all the other last pick heroes into a no counter game. Cuz there won't be anything to learn as well.
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I'd love to see more where the opponent team has slightly higher MMR than your team. Not only potentially closer games, I feel like the games I struggle with the most are when my team overall is behind and the map feels really small. It's really hard to know how to come back in a game, besides the enemy just walking into you and dying of course.
Yeah, I know he originally didn't like the idea of using his patreons because it's not the same environment as a pub. But it has the advantage of being able to do cool stuff like have him play with heralds on his team against a team of archons or something
i think he made a video where he intentionally fucks up during laning phase and ended up carrying the game. getting slightly higher mmr teammate simply won't work here because bsj's actual mmr is way higher than these noobs.
Well for example that game he lost as qop
@@user-yy3ki9rl6i His idea of fucking up the laning stage in that game was being level 4.5 against a level 3 offlaner, then he dies once but is still ahead in exp (and probably also even or ahead in last hits tbh) then he starts tryharding again. By 10 mins he's level 8 with 75 cs almost all of it being lane creeps because he was never actually forced into the jungle and was able to voluntarily rotate to the enemy safelane because the enemy carry was a Spectre. That's an above average laning stage even for a high MMR player, for the 3k bracket that's probably an 80th or 90th percentile lane. So it's not like he was actually playing from behind in any meaningful sense.
Thanks for the video, learned a ton from it! Glad to see this format being explored without messing with matchmaking.
I imagine a valve employee really excited clicking on this video with their hand over the ban button and being disappointed
good alternative to the very interesting educational smurf series. It did suck that people had to be obliterated for good content to be created, so this is a better way to do it for sure, hopefully we can get many of these!
after Dota ranked me as Legend 2 . i dont mind smurfing stuff anymore if its within Legend or ancient. i was easily Rank ancient with pushing for like 20 rank game only.
i stop playing for 3 months , it asked me to recalib and due to playing support to friends who are much2 lower rank like crusader. Dota2 drop me at L2. I think i win every of my 30+ game lanening stage so far and D2 labeled as smurf -_- and sometimes match me with divine player who are not any better than me. ITs YOU DOTA WHO PUT ME AT THIS RANK. IM NOT GOING TO PUSH MY MMR
I always like to watch twitch channels that invite their viewers in as well. Great content, here.
The part that some innocent archon players get obliterated was the best thing in BSJ’s smurfing videos. It is too bad that he had to do the right thing. Most of the time, the right thing is much less fun.
@@SilverHand-fu1jn why won't you push your mmr dude ? There's a limit to calibrating you can only calibrate so high
Hey BSJ, could you show us a game where the players on your team have least optimal picks, playing in the wrong lane, support not pulling/dragging, players with incorrect itemization, have team fights where it is 4v5 during mid game timing, have a game where your team composition is heavy early game vs a team with late game composition.
Series looks great so far would love to see these ideas featured!
Seeing that you opted to change and listen to community feedback is a plus in my book! Good job BSJ! I Hope that the community can also commend you on this as fast as they can criticize you on your smurfing for content, which I also hate. We should amplify good/helpful decisions as much as negative actions!
On that vein, hoping for a video on having an intentionally bad/horrific laning/early stage and the mindset and movements to at least have a chance of coming back. Maybe choose a hero that is intentionally countered in lane etc.
He's done this in two separate videos. One he played like a 3k for the first 5 mins in a 3k smurf game, and he's also smurfed picking the worst carry matchup possible. He's also instalocked PL in a 3k smurf, naturally getting countered by some picks, and showing how to still win.
As a heavy critic of smurfs I want to say thank you for listening and I really enjoyed this. I'm sure the fans in the lobby did too :)
It's a great sign that despite your own feelings about it, you've taken input from the community at large regarding the smurf series. Ideally you can inspire other high ranked dota players to take this path. Awesome video Banana man.
This might seem like the nice thing to do. But it is actually not. All of the players are his subs. They discussed together which hero to take, when to gank, when to push. Just everything. They did everything to make Necrophos look good. This game doesn’t simulate any ranked game. It is just 10 people playing their scripted roles for internet points. But I would like to see either a proper smurfing or no smurfing. Not this scripted shit.
@@berryesseen you seemed to completely miss the point I and many others have made. This is clearly a sterile, organized environment. There is no way to simulate an actual pub without it being an actual pub. The problem lies in a 9k player jumping into a 3k game - it'll never be objectively fair. Frankly unless you're lower than 2k there's next to nothing to learn from these videos. My sole issue with this variety of content is someone being near pro level in skill stomping what amounts to beginner dota players for "educational content".
@@berryesseen what you think that they memorised an entire dota script and choreographed the game. He got a bunch of rando players, and didnt even tell them which he was from the looks of it. And then they all played a game of dota. Naturally the 9k stomped
@@brandonhurley8983 there is a necrophos who is destroying your safe lane and never dying. It shouldn’t be that difficult to guess who is BSJ. Come on. I watched BSJ so many times that I wouldn’t think that they would script this game. But this doesn’t prove anything. It is very believable that bunch of people met and scripted a game to earn internet points and views for BSJ. Maybe BSJ paid them too. This is like watching a reality show on tv. You know it is not real but you still watch it. My point was that if you wanna do smurfing, just do it right by actually smurfing so that we know it is not bullshit.
@@brandonhurley8983 we also don’t know if they are all bunch of random low rank players. They can be all 9k players acting like 3k’s just for the content. Again I am not saying that this is the case. But creating a lobby makes me skeptical.
haters can say what they want and we all know its wrong, Im just glad that this series is back coz i learned a lot from it from drafting, lane control, good/bad match-ups, utilizing hero timings, knowing when to fight and dont. keep up BSJ!!!
wont u learn those things u listed from just watching a normal game? there are edicational dota streams that doesnt involve smurfing
@@chmleon thats the point of recreating the series, "smudrfing done the right way"
Great video, can I make a suggestion maybe one of the games you play in the future have some smurf on the other team that plays a higher farm priority to you (say you are 4 he is mid). I feel like this situation comes up in peoples ranked games and as a 4/5 it can feel quite hard to deal with
Same sort of setup as well- minimum communication like a real pub etc. This series is awesome, and it would be really cool to see how we should play the game knowing there is a much higher mmr player on the other team
Just play your best and do your job right. Generally in lower brackets, fighting and getting kills for your team is more important than babysitting and stacking etc.
he played as Jak and CM in some of his first games. Played HC and fed first blood as well as not LH for the first few minutes. The point is you gata play the mechanics, not the hero. that's what he is trying to teach.
THANK YOU! This is excellent alternative to already excellent edu-smurf series. I love your content and I hope you are setting new trend. I do have few comments on things that might be better (talking from a student perspective):
- be more concise about the game - something like a summary and what should the student take from this lesson (in this case I am not totally sure)
- try to stick with "1)waveclear 2)be survivable 3)be kill threat 4)go for high ground items". I have no idea how this hero fits into that equation. When you played Mars I could easily write down notes about your game with certain POINTS (just like from presentation)
If I think of anything else, I will let you know. Hopefully it will help.
How to make educational smurf video without actually smurfing : just make a lobby game
What is the point of making lobby games lol, matching with random people in rank so u can learn how to deal with toxic and grief player
@@theodoreneumann4792 well, then why are you watching lobby game video?
@@theodoreneumann4792 This is actually more educational, you deal with outplays. Dealing with toxic is basic, just mute and farm
This doesn’t count as an educational smurf video. It is just that 10 players agreed before the game that one person will destroy the whole game. It is signing up for a superhero movie, and you are the villain. This video means absolutely nothing.
@@berryesseen you have one butthurted man
Yes,more educational smurf content,plz make more of these
Thank you reviving this series
Glad you made this change. Keep it up
I suggested this idea way back in the day on the discord but most of the people there disagreed with me, glad to finally see it's actually coming into fruition. Not gonna take credit for it obviously but I'm just happy now since no one's gonna complain about this banger series being immoral
Try 4k team vs 3k team + BSJ
I gotta praise whoever came up with this workaround idea of 'consensual smurf' lol
Can we just appreciate these excellent usernames of the lobby volunteers
This is fantastic. It's a perfect balance between understanding how to play around low mmr games while not kicking babies in the process
Love this version BSJ. It’ll help more if you guys can add the MMR range also.
Modern ban requires modern smurfing
this is amazing. the more bsj i watch the more i win. thanks
Loved the video, it is very helpful. Thankyou
This is such a smart way to make this series
I honestly want you to milk this content dry. Its the best!
I had no idea how to play before i watched BSJ.
I thank you for all your videos i always learn something new everyday.
It's great u found a way , cuz it's rly very educational to play as high mmr vs low mmr
fuck yeah! return of the educational smurfs!!!
Consensual Edition!
What a cool idea. However Id say this is still a bit of a different atmosphere than a normal ranked, bc 1. people know they play with a smurf, 2. people play with you so they will try their very best and probably wont grief, 3. they support you and watch your videos so probably their mindset is better than most of ranked players.
bsj love your content, but not as much as i love the game, so to see you continuing to do your educational smurf videos without actually smurfing is amazing. I'm sure it took alot more work for you but for me it is well worth it. I dislike any smurf video i watch because i think it genuinly adds to the toxic ranked environment so to see you care about the same thing is a big deal. Thank you bro. Fuck smurfing.
Think this was great! Really helpful and everyone knows what they're up for.
The best educational dota 2 channel on RUclips!! Thankyou so much for doing this BSJ
one of your best live commentaries!
Thanks for doing the right thing and dropping the smurf series.
Wooo favourite series is back!
AMazing!! thanks BSJ! more please
I'd love for you to do more of these ily bsj
Loved it. Educational (consensual) smurfing for the win! 😁
Not that I know him personally but just from the effort of putting this together we can see the sincerity of BSJ making a smurf game educational. Of course content is important for him as a creator but really didn’t expect him to go outta the way to make all of this. I’m sure there’re other content idea but still he sticked to this. Glad he’s not just there stomping low ranks and making content outta it. It’s not much but you have my respect #keepitpmakeepitbsj
Now this is what I wanna see. Organized and people know what they’re facing. not just smashing some random idiots because you’re better haha
Pretty sure they just won the lane in the first two mins. By ES having the pull off and cm not blocking it, and him not being aggro when he was 1v2. Good shit right there.
lol everytime i see necro offlane in game 22min brown boots relic
Love this kind of content. Ty!
As much as I like the new edits, I think educational videos don't need meme edits in it. Can be jarring
Great workaround for the surfing issue. Would like to see more of these!
i would like a breakdown on the preparation of this awesome ethical smurfing so content creators will find it easier to follow the trend
BSJ in 9:04 When ur wining like this , dont go greedy, dont go midas, dont go boots of travel....
Trust me bsj u dont know lower bracket well enogh, in my bracket if my necro have good lane he will surely rushing radiance.
they think offlaner as 3th damage dealer.
Ult the support to show dominance. I can relate to this. Hahahaha
You should get god gamer GORBI here. For the reverse reverse Smurf gameplay.
Keep doing we love the smurf series!!
thank you for putting in the effort
This is exactly how last match went yesterday with a smurf ember on the enemy team. It was hopeless
More of this BSJ!!
Surfing on controversies good job bsj
@BananaSlamJamma - for your next one, could you consider including a known high MMR player who is doing similar (or their own) activities as you are, and talk about how you are countering their actions, and how your impact nullifies or counters theirs? (of course, it would be fun if you both don't know who the smurf is on both teams, and we can see if you can point out who it is, and what you did about their actions, and at the end of the game we can see if you are right :-D ).
i volunteer kappa
This is so cool! This is so awesome for the community. Thank you BSJ!!!
I like this a lot better! Amazing idea!
Love this idea, looking forward to seeing more!
i applaud the effort to make things right .. well done BSJ
So on depushing waves only do this as a support if your carries are going to stay aggressive on the enemy side of the map. If they want to disengage then leave it for them to farm a large wave pushing in.
Those TPs back are not Necrophos' job, but the one of the supports. He just did them because they didn't do it.
Good to see you do the right thing finally
i like that earth spirit
Will be awesome if you can make these weekly. Learned a lot from it TY
dope content bro keep it coming. Also please make more little item videos those help me so much
Would love to see more.
very ethical BSJ!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but switching to agi treads is bad for necro? His E gives increased regen for health and mana for a duration, not a solid amount of health/mana like salve clarity. And because str and intel amp their respective regen, wouldn't you want your treads on anything but agi during the aura buff?
E gives flat bonuses, not percentage. So it's exactly like salve/clarity. Agi treads = 200 less HP, 1 less HP/s from strength.
Say you have rank 4 Heartstopper Aura and kill five creeps. That's 35 hp and mana per second over 8 seconds. Total of 280 of each. Say your max HP is 1200 on Agi Treads and 1400 on Str Treads.
You're on 600/700 HP agi/str. If you stay on agi, you heal 280, swap to str at the end and end up with 1026 HP. If you swap to str, you go from 700 to 988 and that's it.
It's like watching a 30 years old beat up some 12 year olds and calling it educational beating.
Thanks for taking the effort Mr Banana 🍌
Good stuff BSJ.
@BananaSlamJamma Looks like you also simulated a haircut. xd
please continue with consentual smurf
Hey BSJ, it would be nice to play one game on one side, then rotate to the other team, without any of them changing. It would be very nice to learn how to deal with different/kindda mirrored situations.
hey brian , i thought agility did not give any movement speed. so you switch treads to agility for the mana regen? or what do you mean?
ult the support to show dominance, that's really important. hahaha
thanks for great content. I learned a lot from you thank you. and started dominating my lanes but my problem in some games my teammates were feeding too much and the lane dominance wasn't enough couldn't recover from their feeds and lost the games. I'm currently gaurdian any advice ?
If every other lanes gets absolutely demolished you won't be able to usually do what you're supposed to do, but those games are rare, and there's nothing wrong with losing them, as long as you're constantly applying pressure to their towers you should force the enemy team to focus on you and reduce the amount of bad team fights your team takes, if you do everything properly and still lose that's just life. Even Smurfs don't usually have 100% win rate, just very high.
@@federicopalacios7439 hard to accept reality. today I had 2 games 1st one with lina mid and 2nd one with tb safe and both around min 25 I got all tier 1 and tier 2 towers while we had all towers but my teammates was so bad that when it come to go hg that ended up feeding and again hg and feed and eventually lose these 2 games.
it's painful after all that effort whyyyyyyyyyy
I figured out I should quit playing its hurting me XD
after 1k hrs of dota 2 gameplay. what i learned is i just stop giving a fuck about my rank and just learn from my mistake vs real players and smurfs. it makes me a better player overall
Whole teams seems to know you are in their lobby XD
Finally you found a way to make quality content without reddit keyboard warriors complaining, keep it up Brian.
great content! keep it up
1 smurf should be on each team to balance it out.
I'm Archon 2 play all positions. What do I have to do for you to put me on your list?
Great Idea! Commenting for algorithm.
15:29 you can actually hold alt to see your teammates tps
Yes bring it back.
how do we know where the 500 cs range is, inside the tower circle?
Me: since valve took a very serious stance against smurfing, I guess it's gonna be really hard to get bsj to upload a new educational smurf video, huh.
BSJ: Actually, it's gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience!
just 0:18
this is wholesome
HEy BSJ :) How can i join these kind of games? Would love to play with you guys
Good stuff, would be nice to know MMR of a pub in future games
Question what do you do if enemy offlane does this to you as a carry?
All you need now is a smurf to lie about their MMR to come in and stomp your team :D
yeah this is awesome
Would be cool to see each players rank at the start of the game, just so we can get some perspective when viewing.
Lol after seeing you go 13-0-5, it makes more sense that it wasn't a good thing to smurf
Yea, the old series was informative but at the same time it was the equivalent of kicking a baby
@@zynstein8059 Yeah, I get it's the only way that he can talk the whole match to describe every thought, but yes, as you said. MMA fighter beating the shit out of a high school teenager
everytime i play against a necro the lane goes like this. i dont know how to be efficient against necro. what could they have done better?
Buy a lot of regen and stay out of his aura
Pick range carry? Such as drow, Medusa maybe
Buy regen and avoid trading, play for your heroes power spike and jungle, once he is six don’t be in lane with him at all if you can help it, he usually only needs +1 to kill any hero
@@agre3202 and yea defensive aggro all the time, focus on lvl and then jungle, or switch lane with your offlane
In chess, they refund elo points to players who play against verified smurfs. Dota is more difficult because it also would have to take away points from your teammates to make it truly fair tho